Ninjas Are Butterflies x Ky Dickens from The Telepathy Tapes | The Portal

- Have you ever heard of Project MK Ultra? - His mind came from the first altar. - They'll be back. - I am. - I'm not ready. - He's coming. - He's all about connected. - He's a virgin! - India! - He's up. - He's open. - He's into me. - He's up, portal. - I don't love that. - He's ready. - What? - But you're ready. - He's going to get it! - He's like a ninja, but what's up to him? - Me. - I don't know. - Notify. - We're trailing his complete challenge. (cheering) (whooshing) - Guys, what's up? - Then welcome to our We need to come up with a name. - Ninjas are remote. - Ninjas are remote. - Remote control. We'll figure it out. You'll see it in the thumbnail and title. - Well, we just-- - That's the name of our series. - In this episode, this bonus episode, we interview Kai Dickens. - Our very first remote guest ever. - Yeah, so it was very strange for us to do this. - Yes, she just released three of those. You don't know Kai Dickens. She's the one who created and aerates telepathy tapes that went viral last year. - Talked about it. - She's multiple times. - Yes, so much. And she just released her season two. So please go listen to it. And their team reached out and said, "Hey, we'd love to sit you and Kai down." And we did. And it's a quick combo, but it's good. A lot of good stuff in there. - Yeah, a lot of good stuff. We obviously differ on some stuff spiritually. But I mean, it's always important to hear people's thoughts on everything. And she's in it. She's doing all the tests and whatnot. And experiencing all these things. So some crazy stuff you're gonna hear, especially towards the end. - Yes. - Absolutely wild. So stay tuned, buckle up, grab a drink, grab a seat and get comfy folks. - Okay. - And we're going, huh? - Well, I guess. I mean, you go whenever you want. I'm just-- - We're live. - We're live. - Kai, you're taking from telepathy tapes. - Hey guys. - Thank you so much for joining us and sitting down with us and talk with us 'cause we are so excited about your new season. That apparently has dropped already, right? - Yeah. Yeah, we're on to our fifth episode. So we're a little less than halfway through. - Heck yeah. I just discovered that literally probably an hour before this interview. I'm like, I am so excited for this second season. - Oh yeah. - I'm like, oh my gosh, it's already out. - Ah, yeah. It's been going great. We're really excited about it. It takes, it really expands the universe, if you will. - Heck yeah. - That's awesome. How long did this season take you guys to build? - Quite a while. I mean, almost a year, you know? And because each episode looks at something into something else we might have dismissed, right? So we do deep dive into, you know, there's different non-speakers. So one of, you know, we do deep dive into can you communicate with plants, to near-death experiences, to mediumship and cannot be validated in a lab, to animal communication and energy healing and psychedelics. And, you know, really do a deep like historical, scientific and experiential dive into all of these things. A lot of the non-speakers become more of a guide or teacher than, you know, trying to break the paradigm through the question of whether or not to love with these real. - Wow. It's fascinating. - That's awesome. - Before we dive into it, we actually wanted to test your telepathy skills if you're down for it. - Oh, wow. Okay, I don't know if I have telepathy skills. - I mean, we've been, you've been hanging around a lot of people with telepathy. - You're the expert. - Yeah, right. - So, you ready? - Yeah. - Let's do it. - It's an image behind Andy. This is Andy. We're wondering if you can picture with this image as in guess. - Butterfly? - Very close. It's actually the hamburger. So, we'll actually, we'll give you one more shot. - Just a little off. We have one more. - One more. - Okay. - Once you really, really hone it in, Kai. - Okay. - What do you think is behind Andy? - An octopus. That was even closer. It's actually my uncle dressed as a hamburger. - Yes. - So. - That was hilarious. - So close. - He's in prison now. - Yeah. - Just kidding, that wasn't my uncle. - I love it that was. - I just found out on Google. - He's definitely in prison though. Look at him. - Yeah, that guy for sure. - Oh, no, this is awesome. This is super cool. We talked about your show, your first season, so much on our podcast. I was obsessed with the first season. Did you expect the season to blow up like you did? When you were making it, when you were putting it together, did you expect that to be this popular? - Okay, well, it's interesting because, you know, while I was crafting it as a film, you know, for like four years, I was trying to build it as a docuseries and I thought, this is the most important story I've ever told. And I felt like it was groundbreaking for the world. And, you know, when I talk about it, when I'd be working on other projects, like I directed a short film in that time, I was out in the festival circuit with a different film. And like whenever I'd talk about this one in a Q and A, it's like we're all the attention wins. So I thought, okay, this is resonates. Like people want to hear this. But then when I pitched it to, you know, all of Hollywood basically said no to the idea. Like they couldn't, you know, there was like no mandate that it fit into. It wasn't in true crime. Like what category was it? Like that was just so demoralizing. 'Cause then I thought, was it all wrong? Like did I completely not get what this was? You know, so the podcast was really my last resort since I couldn't get the doc made. I mean, now it's being made. But, so I always felt my heart that this was like a big deal and then it would resonate with people. And I, so I never doubted that. And I think, and I trusted so deeply, like that the parents and the non-speakers were speaking truth and that they deserve to be heard and that people would be very interested. But, you know, I didn't think it would go to number one or anything like that. That was all just completely. It's still, I haven't processed it. I don't think, you know. Fascinating. How long did you take in between the first season and the filming of the second season? Was there a gap or was it just a continuous? There was a gap. Yeah. So it's like in 2022, I was like chugging. Like, like, you know, visiting a few different non-speakers, like doing just like my own, like home spent to a lot of the tests to figure out if there was like proof of concept. If this was real, if like this was worth putting my reputation in time and investment behind. And started a bunch of interviews and then it's just like, you know, when I couldn't get it funded and then go anywhere, that's when I took all of that footage and made the podcast. But then when the podcast was released, it was so wonderful because so many, you know, donors and funders and people stepped up and we're like, yes, we want to help you get this made without, and independently, you know, without being noted to death by executives or whatever it is. And so then I'd say this year, after the podcast, really took off. I'd say in April, we started filming full time. And now we're in post-production and the film will be out next spring. So it's exciting. - Awesome, that's super cool. - Yeah. - So what's different from the second season as opposed to the first season? I know you kind of like briefly explain what's going to happen in the second season. Like what's the biggest difference, would you say? - Okay, so the first season, you know, I think really takes audience members on this journey about non-speakers who've been claiming about, you know, that they can read minds and have kind of a plethora of other spiritual gifts. And my hope with this first season is when people listen to it, they'll realize that we live in a materialist paradigm, that there's more than what we can see and measure that's real, that just because you want to question or look into the metaphysical doesn't mean that you're gullible or stupid. In fact, I think most people don't exist in this binary of either you believe nothing and it's nothing's real and it's all, you know, consciousness is in your brain or the other side of that, which is like, I believe in fairies and guard controls and like, you know, everything. So I think most people live somewhere in the middle like want to really thoughtfully engage and question things. And so I hope by season one, people would believe that tilapathy very much could be real, that there's a there there and to stop dismissing things. And that was the goal of season one. And I think for season two, I hope that by the time we're done with it, people will feel very certain that consciousness is the fundamental element building Brock over our universe and that consciousness survives our body. Or I mean, and that you could take that into like a spiritual lens of like, that we have a soul. So I think if season one took on one big triumph which is trying to prove the tilapathy is real, I hope that season two will kind of validate that the soul is real. And I don't know, you guys will have to listen to tell me if it's convincing. - No, that's super exciting. Yeah, so like our background, we were both Christians and we dive into just the craziest stories, conspiracy stuff, like ancient stuff, modern day stuff, like Stargate and the cashier planning, all that stuff. And so it's cool to hear just someone dive into stuff that almost validates stuff that we've talked about from history, like even back to like scripture, like how Jesus, how it talks about how he knew their thoughts and like this crazy, like what do you mean he knew their thoughts? Like what does that mean? You know, I'm great, God, but yeah, I mean, it's just, it's been super fascinating to just listen to it and like just it definitely gets you outside of this like materialistic realm. Like everything's just flesh and blood. Like there is more to it all. At least that's what I've gotten from it so far. So it's been really exciting to listen to it. - Yeah, I think based on what you just said too, you're gonna love. I've been deep in the depths of our psychedelic episode and really looking at how, you know, These things were part and parcel of humanity's ability to connect with spirit throughout the history of the world and not just humans. Like animals have forged for things that alter their consciousness and maybe hominids before us. Like this was always a part of the human experience. And what's fun is that episode, I think going to be episode seven, it does a deep dive into that this stuff wasn't just in the indigenous communities and the Africa's and Americas. And you know, like Asia, this was also in the Western world. And we look at a lucis, which was, you know, the Greek hub of spiritual life for 2,000 years almost where people would go and have this wine potion. And alcohol was not-- alcohol wasn't even mentioned in Greek. It wasn't in the New Testament. Like alcohol wasn't the thing. They didn't care about wine because of its alcohol. There was something else going on with the wine. And a lot of people think it had this psychedelic properties and that when you went to a lucis, you stopped your fear of death. Like you just understood that it continued. And it's fascinating because a lucis would have been like 14 miles from Corinth on the first churches. Like you could ride your bike there. And you know, kind of piecing back through some of that was fascinating because like the Greek god Dionysus, like, you know, he was like-- it was like drink his blood and you'll become him. You'll see, you know, like what you see and you could see how maybe the utacrystance of this might have kind of been inspired by this idea that like psychedelics were part of like engaging with the metaphysical world and god and angels. And maybe that's why it felt in the old New Testament that like god was so present. There's burning bushes and revelations and all sorts of things happening all the time. But maybe humans had a little help to break down that barrier. So you know, we really look at psychedelics around the world and how this has always been part and parcel of like the connection to spirit. And it's just really interesting that like in 400 when Constantine started kind of coming through and being like, no, you know, get rid of anything that's pagan. That the spiritual like heart of kind of the Western civilization died maybe with a lot of that. And then of course, it was like how did it say-- some of it stayed alive, I think, because women were the ones that were creating these brews and wines and potions. And you think of the witches. These ideas of women bending over cauldrons and making some potion that's going to like alter you in some way, I think there's a lot of truth in that. And that's probably the women that were like trying to keep this bridge to the divine alive were the people who ended up being the most persecuted. So anyway, if you have a religious interest, I think you'll find that episode very interesting. Yeah, that sounds fascinating. So what do you personally believe in as far as like the spiritual realm? Like do you believe that there are just outside of consciousness? Do you believe that there are spirits, like good spirits, bad spirits that don't even exist within our realm necessarily? And to add on to that has your views changed while you've gone through these seasons? Yeah, I mean, and I feel like I'm kind of on a journey with a lot of people. I mean, like a lot of people, I mean, I grew up in the Christian church. I was confirmed, like I consider myself a Christian. I was saved, you know? And all that stuff, like I was a Bible study leader like in high school, I was part of the young life, you know? And then I kind of went through my own reckoning. I'm like, I don't know what I believe. Like I'm not sure anymore. Not that I've ever doubted God or anything. It was just like, I think organized religion is so damning and so harmful in many ways and has created so much division and death and just like devastation in a lot of ways, right? By being so judgmental and stuff. So I kind of went through my own reckoning. I'm like, what do I believe? And like a lot of people, I think you deconstruct what you believe and then reconstruct it again to figure it out. And so I've been on that my own journey. And I think people are kind of on that journey with me, especially in season two. It's like a few, if number one was deconstructions, season two is reconstruction. And I, like for sure, I believe the soul survives death. And what's fascinating to me is like, I think what so many non-speakers say about good and evil. And I didn't put a lot of that in the season one because I was like, people aren't ready for this. If like all of this that is out there is too much or could be perceived as too much like taking it to this one step further is going to like really be too much. And but I can't tell you how many spellers and their parents will say that their children talk about not just ghosts and seeing the departed, but interacting with God, with angels, but also with dark forces, you know, or demons, that comes up all the time. And then, so that's interesting. But then like even working on season two, like I, we interviewed a man, Don Rubio, Jose Rubio, who helped find missing kids in the jungle after a plane crash, four of them by taking Ayahuasca. And he was able to like the missing children. Yeah, the doctor, wow. And so yeah, that's like, so we interviewed him as well as like the leader of the Kuntanawa Nation in Brazil about Ayahuasca and like how it works. And when Don Rubio found those missing children, like he used Ayahuasca for people who aren't familiar with the story. He like, he said he looked through the eyes of like jaguars and animals was able to exactly isolate where these kids were that had been missing for five weeks. But then he said something so, and I was like, okay, that's what's going on in our episode, 'cause that's fascinating. But then he said something really interesting that we're not putting in the episode, that he was fighting off dark spirits the whole time to keep them safe. And I was like, what on earth does that mean? You know, and he was fighting dark energies. So it's like whether you're talking to non-speakers or some of these people engaging outside of like our typical monotheistic faiths, there's a common reoccurring theme that there are forces at work. And that I'm still grappling with, 'cause it feels so, so mind-boggling to me. Yeah. And scary. Yeah, that's fascinating. I started listening to your first episode actually today the second season. And it's talking a lot about NDE's like near death experiences, which we've talked a lot about on this podcast. Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah, really fascinating. And I've actually, I've been reading this book by this Orthodox priest, Father Sarah from Rose. And he wrote this book in the '70s and he wrote about these NDE's. And he talked a lot about just like this, how there's this potential for these spirits to deceive like beyond the realm, you know? I was wondering, have you picked up on anything that could maybe be deceitful like in the sense of like misleading or something that maybe is occurring in your life that like seems to be just has you like feeling on edge, just like within this research, 'cause this research is nuts. It's crazy stuff. Super heavy. It's really heavy. I mean, like I don't, I feel fairly protected, I will say, you know, and it's been interesting. Like some non-speakers have said this was fascinating, like your responsibility is divinely protected, like not me, not the message, not the podcast, like the responsibility. And so I found that such a beautiful use of words. So, you know, and I pray every night for protection and for guidance and all the time. And so I don't worry about, I mean, I'm sure there's always maybe something trying to harm all of us from the outside, but I feel safe. But one thing I will say is it seems like dark energy or whatever it may be is a little confusing. And I think so much of this world is so nebulous, it's so subtle. And I think back to we were filming for the film, and we actually went to a hill to film these like metaphorical hill scenes and we brought in non-speakers from all over the country and some who had never met each other. And physically, but two of the girls there had met each other on the hill previously, so it was really cool, because there was a lot of recognition, they understood they're so excited. And they didn't need the letterboards, but the moms sat down with each of the girls to type, you know, most there, I think they're both typing to iPads. And I was on the porch with the producer and I think the cameras and whatever. And they both start typing. And then there was kind of this nice moment where people were open presents and having some lemonade or whatever. And then also the both girls look in the same direction and really were upset or freaked out. And then they each and their own corners are typing to their parents what they saw. And when that, and then it was kind of a fun experiment because they both had to say something at the same time. And one of the girls said, a non-speaker is here who's very upset she's not included, is very upset that she's not spelling, it doesn't have a voice, and she feels left out. So it was this dark, heavy, angry kid who's left out. And then the other girl wrote, there's a dark energy here. I'm very dark energy, I don't want it here. And so one of the girls said she knew who the energy was and it was a person. And the other one was just like it's a dark energy. And so that, I've honored that for so long 'cause it's like, wow, what one person might be interpreting as a dark energy could be the energy of a person who's disgruntled or upset, you know, or maybe someone who's passed on. So what is all this stuff, right? Like, what is it? And that was an interesting moment for me. - That's really fascinating, a little spooky, too. - Yeah. How many people did you bring to the Hill? - About 14, I'd say, non-speakers and their families. I mean, it was a ton because most of these people came as a whole family, so 14 times four. I mean, all are five. - Yeah. - And it was really beautiful. I mean, it was so wonderful because, you know, so many of these individuals don't get to travel often. In fact, many of their parents were like, they can't travel, they don't do on planes. And then I kind of felt like I had to think like, they're gonna travel just fine because they want to be there and they know this is important. And sure enough, you know, it was like off the plane, like, oh my gosh, they did great. They were so excited to come. Like they were quiet and still on the plane and that never happens, you know? And then even just like showing up in moments, like there was a moment when we were filming on the Hill and it started like raining. And so we got everyone into golf carts and people were running away. And my camera guy ran away, but in my brain, I'm like, oh, only Lily would stay out here with me for this moment after John Paul dies, you know? For the film, that would be so powerful to have her in the Hill on the rain. And I'm thinking that I'm begging my camera guys, like get an umbrella, get back out with the camera. Don't worry if it gets wet. Like I'll insurance will pay for it. Like this is really important. And I look around to like see if like where Lily went and she's just sitting on the Hill, like waiting for me. Like, you know, almost like the cheeky read my thoughts. - Right. - And so I run over and I'm like, okay. And you know, Lily is a hard time lifting up her head on her own due to her praxia, the mind body disconnect. She's a hard time. I mean, just anyone with a praxia is gonna have a hard time telling their body what to do. And in that moment, I was like, okay, Lily, can you look up at the sky and she like did it? Can you look this way? She did it. And it was like the praxia just stopped. It's like she was fully able to take direction. Which, you know, I think most parents would say is impossible. And when it was all done, I'm like, let's get you in blankets and let's get you to the hot showers. And you know, and she's like, no, I'm so warm with love is what she spelled. And it was really cool because then like it got a little, Sun came out again and then Houston came out there and like we were just kind of hanging out and they were both just so present, so able to like, okay, stand up, do this, do this. And again, like when you have a praxia, you can't control your body, but it's like in that few hours, it just disappeared. - Amazing. - Strange. - Yeah, it was beautiful. - It was really cool. - Yeah, no, but I feel like just, and I think all the parents would agree with this and the siblings and the people that have been involved in the filmmaking is that like the non-speakers continue to focus and overtake their body when it's most necessary, like when we were there. And in fact, Kyle, who we talked about in season one, he was a non-speaker who never learned to communicate via spelling, via letterboard, but comes to his mom in dreams. And that for the mom became really evidential when he started coming to the dreams with music and songs and lyrics, I mean, like write these songs and like through the dreams, you know, the two of them like put out some albums. And when we were there, I wanted to see if like, I almost like recreate like, how do you guys do this? And the mom was like, we don't have to recreate it. He actually came to me last night in my dream with a song. So I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Let's film it. So we start filming it and like while sitting there, typically she needs like hold him into this like field and then she can kind of like channel, like what he's wanting the lyrics to be. And he'll be like, nah, I'd say yes or no. But while we're sitting there, he actually picks up a pencil and starts writing the lyrics on paper himself. Like, fully writing. And I was like, what is happening? And she's like, you know, he, this is rare that he does this. Like he can, but he has to have full control of his body. And he, I think he's doing it because he knows the cameras are here. So it was like case after case over and over where the non-speakers were like, we know what this is. Like, let's do it. This is important, you know. They can feel the importance of it. That's crazy. I remember from your, at the end of your last season, you talked about being visited in your dreams by some of the, or a child, I forget which one. That was crazy to me. Did you, do you dive any further into that of like just going into the dream realm kind of stuff? Yeah, I mean, like, so in episode six, which drops this Wednesday, there's a really wonderful non-speaker who the world hasn't met yet in season one. She will be in the film though and her name's Nina and she can communicate with plants, but she can also communicate to her family in dreams and she's done all sorts of stuff through dreams. And in fact, like, it's not just her family. Like, at one point, she wanted her parents to buy, her mom to buy a house and she told her mom to buy a mansion. Her mom's like, we can't afford a mansion. Like, what are you talking about? Nina went to the real estate agent in her dreams and told her which house to show her mom and to look at. And that's the house they ended up buying. And she's also done, like, she went to a old family friend in the dreams and told her, look, I can talk now. I can do this and that woman like reached out to the family like after not talking to them for like 10 years. So I was like, Nina appeared to me in the dreams last night and I want to offer her job. - Wow. - Yeah, so that comes up a lot. It comes up a lot, the dream communication. And there's so much there, really. - That's fascinating. What's about the plants? What is that? - Yeah, how do you do that? How does that work? How did you even like study that? - Yeah, I mean, I think again, like, so for your listeners, like season two, the way it's sculpted is reconstruction, right? Season one deconstructed you and it starts out big. Like, whoa, okay, like near death experiences, let's go to a different dimension and beyond like life and death. And then let's bring it into like, okay, can we communicate with the other side? Like, we're getting smaller. We're getting all the way back to us, right? So by the end, like the final episode is mind sight. Those like seeing between the blindfolds when we talk to blind people who've done it, schools in China doing it, like all the different stuff. And, but along the way of the reconstruction, so three is like big magic, like do ideas, I have like a will and consciousness over their own. Like is a world conscious and working with us to make its own will manifest through creativity and through ideas, like why do ideas all shape and pop up all over at one time? Or that happens with stories with books with songs, so we interview Rick Rubin, you know, and Liz Gilbert who wrote "Epray Love All sorts of People." Episode four deals with Svanz, and like how it is that you can have like a complete skill set downloaded, how you could hit your head and suddenly compose music or see math and understand like holographic, you know, just like quantum physics, just unbelievable stories. And then episode five is animal communication. And episode six is plant communication. And, you know, I mean, a lot of it was non-speakers saying they can communicate with animals. And then we found other animal communicators. But there's two non-speakers in that episode who were like, yes, of course, we can communicate with animals. And then episode six really was due to Nina. I mean, she, when she first started spelling, she would diagnose people and offer a medicinal cure. - Well. - And for her sister who became a primary in chief spelling communication partner, that happened because her sister had to leave her like career and leave where she was living down south because she became very, very, very, very sick. And no one knew what was going on with her. But Nina knew. And Nina started offering strange, like herbal medicinal cures from China that the family had no idea what these were. And they proved to be right and helpful. - Wow. - And when they asked, "Nina, how are you doing this?" She said, "Because I can communicate with plants." And, and she's like, I can hear them the way I hear anything. And what's wild in that episode, we talk to indigenous elders from the Lakota, from the Shinshin tribe and like the Upper Northwest from the Kuntanau nation, like all over being like, "Yes, we do this too." Herbalists who were like, yes, I've come up with cures because I could hear nettle seeds talking to me or this or that. And then what's so gorgeous is like, everyone though kept talking about like ancestors are a big part of this, ancestors are a big part of it. And then, you know, it's wonderful because Nina is so, so attuned to this skill. And I asked Nina, like, "Oh, our ancestors are a big part of it." And she said, "Yeah, they are." And then it makes you wonder, like, are they a conduit between, I don't know, like helping with the telepathy or like informing in some way? But this plant communication goes far, far back. It's so profound. And I think it's so ancient. And, you know, I remember Nina at one point was like, it wasn't trial and error. All these herbs and things that people tried. People could communicate with the plants. And it's hard for our minds to wrap around. But like, is it, if we know the telepathy is possible? Like, what's our hubris to think that only we have consciousness? Like, do we need to have a brain to be conscious? We know plants are communicating through the mushrooms and the mycelium and the forest. So, and then that episode, of course, leads into the psychedelics, which are like, well, if you consume a plant, they seem to communicate with you deeply. - A big time. - Yeah. - So, is it that far-fetched, you know? - Yeah, I don't think so, I mean, we would definitely, that doesn't sound super crazy to us, 'cause we talked a lot about the book of Enoch and stuff, which would technically predate the flood. And about the watchers coming down and teaching these heavenly mysteries, you know, and one of them was Pharmakaya and like, how to use medicinal plants and stuff. to us. I mean, there's so much stuff is just very validating for stuff that we've talked about. Just how insane this spiritual realm or this realm outside of our material world, it seems just more real than our material world, you know? Yeah. And the fact that we are so disconnected from it is new. For thousands of years, our ancestors were so engaged with it. It was so alive and animate and powerful in their lives. What do you think happened? That was one of my questions is what, because it seems like just from these old stories and stuff, like people seemed way more intuned with just all the the realm outside of ours. Do you think every human at one point was was able to possess this or do you think we all had access to this maybe telepathy or whatever? And do you think that we've lost it? And if we did lose it, how did we lose it, you think? Well, I think technology has certainly helped us replace other skills that we had previously. You know, like in the Slothed Apesies and when we talk about Mark Twain, and he taught, he called it mental telegraphy, but how he would notice that if he hadn't thought about someone let's say in five years, but sent him a letter postmarked on let's say January 4th or something, markedly maybe two weeks later, he'd get a letter marked January 4th from that same person. And now we have phone telepathy, right? I was just thinking of you and you call, oh my god, that's so crazy, right? But like the stuff was always present, and then when you look into some of the like Irish and Viking histories, there were actually words for like knowing when the boat sank. You didn't need to be told. You just knew or knowing then when the people were coming home, you would go out and wait because you knew. And it was so just part and parcel of their world, you know? And so what's fascinating to me is, I mean, I was just texting with a parent this morning who said that her daughter is teaching her telepathy. It was like, mom, I want to teach you to do it two ways. And you know, and I hear that from a lot of parents that like I can do it two ways if I really sit and think. And sometimes it's messy. Like if they want meatballs for dinner, I might get sausage. And then I have to double check which one did you get? I know there's like a chunk of meat. I'm seeing. But um, but there's certainly enough parents and teachers saying, and especially now that the tape says out, and this is all like pretty out there, that it goes two ways. And in fact, this is a story that will happen in the film, but like Nina, the one that communicates with plants, one of the ways that the family figured out like the telepathy was happening is that Nina was able to pop into her neurotypical sister's mind sometimes. And be like, tell dad, I don't want to go home from the boat ride. I love it out here. And Natalia would be thinking, I don't want to be out here. I want to go home. Like I'm, I have stuff to do. I'm freezing. And she gave this message. I want to stay out. I want to stay out. And then she would like, forget about it. But then later in the day, maybe they'd have like the spelling board or someone become typing with Nina and she'd be like, you got my message. And so there's enough neurotypical family members and teachers saying that it works two ways that it can work. It does work two ways. I mean, I don't think any of this is even like, and even the science that now that so many more scientists and researchers are looking to this and I think it's really validating in the next three or four years. You know, I'm privy to like the results and they're coming back like better than I think anyone could have imagined. And one of the things that is so cool is a lot of the scientists who've like tested or worked with non speakers now and done these trials have said, I don't think there's just one to let that happen. There seems to be two kinds. Like one seems to be as close proximity that proximity there. Or maybe it's almost like you can like lean into someone's mental field and like it like envelops you in a way where it's just really easy. It's really quick. It's really powerful. And that's not as common. But for some reason, these individuals with a praxia often seem to have that heightened and probably survival skill, right? Like I need to communicate and engage in the world. I need to whatever. No one's talking to me, but people aren't treating me like I'm smart. Like here's how I can maybe impact the world around me or at least absorb it so I can be engaged in some way. But the other one is more common, probably more powerful, but way less easy to study, which is due to like a condition of the heart, right? This powerful. Like I know someone's sick. I know someone's hurt. I know someone's thinking of me. And it's much more motivated by love and connection. And what's cool is in the club of the apes film, we were trying to do trials around the first one and the second one happened. And it was wild because you can't capture that in a lab usually. Yeah. When there's tremendous need or love or care. And that's why the club of these are happening. And it happened in the movie. I mean, it happened when we were filming the trials in Chicago with an independent team of scientists, not related to Dr. Powell. And it was like, it was wild. And it was beautiful because it just I think it proved how big these capabilities are. Amazing. How's the response been from the scientific community at the beginning of when you started this journey to now? And is it changed? And have you gotten a lot of pushback? You know, I think in the beginning, it was just like, it was both. I mean, there were so many researchers reaching out being like, yes, yes, yes, like I've been trying to study this or I haven't studying this or I have data I want to share with you. Like, you know, we've been trying to look at this underground. We can't get funding. But, you know, so there was that half. And then there's some people just being like, absolutely not. Like, yeah, you have to have a triple blind. And this and this and this. And it can't be this. It has to be that, you know, and like, fine. Okay. So both started happening. But what was wonderful for me is like University of Virginia went through all of the raw tests we did and looked at that. And then they've just published some stuff in psychology today, being like, it checks out. Like, these tests were really done with the most utmost integrity. And these non-speakers were reliably consistent over and over again. And then they were they've done telepathy trials at University of Arizona, University of Oregon. I believe Stanford. And then we followed an independent team of scientists with a neuroscientist from Northwestern originally. Now she's independent. Her name is Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She came up with a team of researchers and worked with a teacher in Chicago and her classroom of non-speaker. So people that I was not engaging with. So it was like a completely independent study. And they did a triple blind Jeff Tarant, who's like a like an MR like a sorry QEG specialist and neuroscientist. He developed this like almost a triple I guess triple blind protocol where a researcher would hit a button. They wouldn't know what was sent out of like thousands of options of videos would be sent to a telepathic sender to send the thing. And then the receiver would have to just be trying to you know pick up the Q. No one knew if it was a hit until after the whole test was done. And usually there was a visual on the screen and a word. And like so they've been doing trials across states like via Zoom and also in person. And like they had one trial where it was the image of a video of the Northern lights. And it was actually Jeff Tarant, the neuroscientist in Oregon that was like I'll just try to send it today to this child in this child like a 20 year old in Chicago who's a non-speaker. And he starts spelling you know, art in the sky beautiful like like nature's art in the sky. And then there's a word that was going across the screen. And it's a beautiful. And again, they don't know what this is. They're in a different state. And then they said type the word and he typed beautiful. Crazy. I mean the odds. Yeah. But it wasn't a multiple choice. It could be any video in the entire world. So it's pretty remarkable. And then they also did a test like that through in different rooms. And this was cool because in Italia who was who's the sister of that non-speaker and you know who's going to be an episode six of season two she came out to try to be a sender since we know she can do it with her sister. So she was sending to and she was in a full different room on this other side of the building. And it was funny because they made her read a story. This was not a video. It was like a they were testing all sorts of things. So she was reading a story about how to fill up oil in tankers. And she's like this is so boring. Like I don't even know how I'm going to send this because this is boring. But like again, like she like there was just random things that so she's reading this article. And in the middle of the article she even starts asking questions in her own brain. She's like if they're filling in the air what happens when the other one runs out of oil and blah blah blah blah. And so she's wondering questions as she's reading it. And a speller far away in a different room starts typing all of her thoughts and answering her questions. Whoa. Yeah it was like if the other one runs out out of air there's an oil tanker like on the ocean and they go down and get it. So he starts answering her questions. For me, I just feel emboldened now because I know that the science is coming back like fully invalidation. And it's going to be a new world when the stuff starts getting published. You know it's amazing. Is there a category so you've gone you know with dreams and animals plants psychedelics? Is there another category that you're maybe not hitting on this season that you can't wait to get to? Yeah I mean we have two things loaded up locked and loaded for season three and season four. But I don't want to say what they are yet. Okay. That's after we go off the record maybe possibly. Yeah. Alright. Here's a question because we so we're talking about the weirdest stuff on our podcast. A lot of conspiracy stuff. When I was listening to it I'm like I'm wondering as do you? You know of any of these children or anyone in this realm that have been like approached by like a government agency or potentially like a private industry or private institution of like, I don't know, because we talk a lot about like on our podcast of the government list, CIA and stuff, all these classified stuff, how they weirdly try to weaponize everything. We talked about operation often, which they tried to weaponize like witchcraft and stuff like that. So this seems kind of like a prime subject for them to approach. Yeah. And so people, a lot of people were warning us about that. And I just thought, what like, I don't have any secrets. Why would someone start, what like, you know, because people were warning me. And then a few scientists actually were like, it's not going to happen how you think it's going to be someone coming in and infiltrating your world, gaining your trust. So they have access to these families, and they're going to really want to like form beautiful loving, caring relationships with them. So it's not going to be like men in black situation. It's going to be a very quiet, gentle, back door situation. And that happened. And we all figured out what happened and who it was and and so we have, it's all I could do is tell everyone who it was and so everyone's aware of it and just to be careful. But that's all we could do. I don't think it was sinister. I don't I think it was just access. It's like people try to get close and and and know things and form the relationships and form their own relationships and and and so it was weird. It was weird because I did not think that would happen and I'm such not a conspiracy theorist at all. But then it happened. Well, how does your how is your mindset shifted since that? Well, just it's what more just like really warning the parents, like there's a lot of people who are who are going to try to be your friend and they probably have the wrong reasons. You know, and I think for so many families, it's really isolating to like for years, it was really hard to leave your house if you had a non-speaker, especially with a praxia, you know, they're making noises or can't control their body and it's like, can be the world can be mean if you're at, you know, Wendy's and someone's making a lot of noise to the bees and so I think for a lot of parents, they feel really isolated and then someone comes by with a lot of interest in you and and it can it can be really confusing, I think, to know who to trust and who not to. So I will just let them know now if I have a suspicion about someone and it's like you can engage. You guys are all wonderfully grown mature smart people and can make your own decisions. There's no that I think this person might be have intentions that aren't totally pure. This is a person part of a government agency. Yeah. Do you, are you allowed to say which one? The CIA. That's crazy. Wild. That's crazy. I bet that fires you up a little bit because you're on the right track, right? Like you're doing, you're, you're hitting on something that's so important that people obviously unfortunately want to weaponize or take advantage of or whatever that may be. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, definitely puts you in a good spot of like, okay, I'm on the right track. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't love it. That's weird to me. It's really weird. It's really, really weird. Yeah. You know, and then in the office, like, I mean, this isn't, this is just more weird. Like we get all sorts of like strange back into this all the time and stuff that it's like what is happening here? Um, but yeah, I mean, and then I think to like, you know, there's all sorts of people who have been reaching out with wonderful intentions around making centers for non speakers and, and like that is something like we've started a nonprofit and we're, we've started to raise money and we want to like, both give money to spelling grants, but also eventually try to make a center where like, non speakers can go and get educated, like as at in terms, I mean, of like a higher educational, more importantly, maybe teachers for the rest of us. Like if you want to learn really good energy healing or want to connect with plants and whatever, like how beautiful, right, to have these teaching centers, but a few other centers have been popping up and people wanting to make them and, and I've just been saying very clearly to all the families, like, be very careful. I mean, who knows who's starting those centers, you know, they could be deeply a way to get people there and exploit gifts or talents or any of that. So, be creating the X-Men, the new X-Men. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just trying to be really aware because it's just like, these individuals are human beings, right? They're not oracles and, and like though this feels magical, it's, it shouldn't, we shouldn't be looking at non speakers like they're magical. So we should be looking at us and being like, we are all magical and we've lost this ability or forgotten we have it, you know? So, you know, so it's just like, it's just being deeply respectful that these are individuals, that these human beings have, if, if people want to work with them, then they should pay them and give them jobs. Sure. And learn to spell to communicate and be like active communication partners. Like, engaging with non speakers and I know non speakers work in missing person cases. I know non speakers working with the police. I know non speakers working with energy healers and doing non speakers doing all sorts of cool things, but they should be hired and employed and respected and whoever's working with them should be learning to spell to communicate, right? To, for sure. Yeah. How did you find out this person was part of the CIA? Was it like, well, I don't want to say too much because I don't know that I know. So I, okay, I, we are like, okay, we know. So we'll just, I mean, I'm sure they're going to watch this, but then they know that there's all sorts of people in the orbit. So I don't want to be too specific about it. Okay. That's fair. We appreciate you telling us. That's crazy. It's a wild story. Okay. I want to go down just another little rabbit trail rabbit trail rabbit hole. Let's go down a rabbit hole rabbit hole. So we talk a lot about aliens and stuff. Not sure where we exactly stand on them. I change my mind every other day about what I think about aliens. But something very interesting that we talk a lot about like alien abduction stories and whatnot and a key feature or a key thing that happens in a lot of these abductions is telepathy. So I'm wondering if you've ever looked into anything regarding the just the alien stuff, alien abductions and telepathy. And if there's non speakers that you've talked to that have experienced maybe aliens or whatnot. Well, I think that, I mean, what I've come to kind of realize through this work is that telepathy is the is a communication baseline, right, for probably anything. So whether it's between animals, between humans, between other beings, between on living and living between like the universal language. Yeah. Yeah. And so you know, as I think the questions are unconsciousness and non-human intelligence is fascinating because like are these beings coming from another dimension? Are they coming from the future? Are they working from the informational field somehow? Like the informational field being made manifest to interact with us or give us, you know, I mean, who knows what it is? It's fascinating. But it makes sense to me that all of it would be through telepathy. And in fact, people really want to take a fun deep dive and nerd out like our episode four, which is about Savants in season two. There's a man in that episode who is, you know, attacked brutally mugged. And after he came back from his injury, he was able to see kind of like math and physics everywhere. I've heard of this man. Yeah. Yeah. And so we have a beautiful interview with him. Cool. And he has, he has a theory of the world called quantum information holography. And, and he was saying to us that this comes back to answer a question. I just have to go around a long way. And he was saying to us, he's like, what I saw and understood when I started talking to physicists and mathematicians was that they're smarter than me. But they don't see what I'm seeing. He's like, they are only seeing the screen. And he's like, and I can see everything around the screen. And the screen is like, all probabilities happening right now. I'm converging on this earth. It's like 3D plane called earth. And he's like, but there's so much more happening before that. And after that and around that. And he's like, and I can see all of it. And so he explains, he's come up with formulas and he has all these words. He's really hard to understand almost. And when I was talking to him, I said, does anyone understand you? And he's like, I've come up with these equations and all of this math to kind of explain what I'm seeing. And he's like, and when I started feeding into AI, AI would kick back the pictures of exactly what I was seeing. So I know it's right. But then he told me he's like, but telepathy, he explains how telepathy works. And near death experiences work. And all of it. And so if people believe him or not, it's up to them. But in our episode four of season two, the topic is like, there's a big interview with him and it's fascinating. And he basically is like, yeah, telepathy is the baseline, the baseline for anything right? Like if we think that of us as being a citizen in a world with many dimensions or universe as many dimensions with many maybe different species with many different timelines going on of what is language, it's just a wave coming out of our voice. And one thing that he said, that was fascinating, he said, you know, when he started looking at the angular plant constant, which is like, I don't know what that means, for different words, like so kasa or home or a different word, different language, he said that like the fundamental energy like signature is the same. So that means that like the energy signature behind every word is the same no matter what word you're putting with it, what language. Interesting. And that's fascinating. Yeah. Because if that's true, I mean, he's trying to develop now a way to like communicate with animals and use this to communicate with like other species and beings. But it basically again, it validates telepathy. That is amazing. Mm hmm. Yeah, there's telepathy and there's just so many layers with that. Yeah, yeah, I just think telepathy, you're like already minds, but it's like you just see there's just, it's just gets so much deeper. Right. It's crazy. Yeah. And that's like what season two is is like telepathy's not just mind reading, right? It'd be communicating with people who aren't here, communicating with plants and animals, communicating with ideas, like healing people with your mind. Like all of this, I think, is a form of telepathy. Yeah, those, I guess my last question is like, what are some other gifts that you've seen outside of the realm of just the speaking to animals, plants, understanding different languages. The hieroglyphics thing that you talked about on your first season was insane. Yeah. Has there been any like, like this, this sounds, this may sound really silly, but like telekinesis, like being able to like move objects and stuff. Have you seen that or experienced that? Yeah. I mean, so there's a lot the parents and teachers have talked about that we just haven't put out there. And it's gets even more intense than that. But yeah, like there's been many, many stories. And the first time I hear it, I'm like, what? That can't be. And then I'll go say to someone else. And they're like, yeah, it's kind of true. And then I'll talk to someone else. And it's like, and then they all are like, okay, now you're ready to know that. So I feel like they, some of the families and parents and teachers will like spoon feed me information when they think I can handle it. And that's something that has come up quite a few times. And not just like, maybe moving objects with your mind, but often it will have to do with like speaking through a, like a iPad and all of a sudden it will talk on its own. So I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but I've heard many people talk about that, you know, or like a bi-location is another one. Like, you know, having like being able to like reflect what seems to be like an imprint of your consciousness somewhere else in someone else's space. So like, physically like almost like, yeah, like so maybe like, I've heard it actually the most from teachers. Who will say like, I woke up and like, I felt like this person was in my bedroom, but it wasn't fully them. It was just like an outline of them. And they were communicating with me. Holy smokes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, because there's, there's like stories of like, um, oh my gosh, I forget his name. Um, it was called like the fool for Christ. It was a, this orthodox monk in Russia. And there are stories of like him being able to like be in two places at once. And like, yeah, but he like wasn't physically there. But he was talking to this person. But it was just, yeah, so that just made me think that the lady in blue, you know, you should look up that story later. The lady in blue. It was a nun who, um, I think, you know, was from Spain, I believe, forgot her name. But she, um, I spent an awful lot of time in her cell praying, praying, praying, praying, and, um, and when, uh, I think some Spanish, you know, like crusaders were in New Mexico and around that region, they found crosses and all sorts of stuff all over there already. And they were asking the natives, like, how did you, how, how, like, how do you know about this? And they'd say, oh, the lady in blue came and taught us in shirasis prayers and shirasis and shirasis and shirasat and, you know, would say your name and then they were able to work out who it was, but she never left her cell where she would pray in her monastery. So it's very, it's a really cool story. And there's actually shrines and churches and temples kind of honoring her throughout, like, that region of the country, the American Southwest. It's fascinating. That is so cool. Yeah. It's incredible. Man, do we have any more questions? I was just curious if there was any, I love little spooky stories every now and then. I'm curious because you're diving into some dark stuff at times. Like you said, it feels very heavy. Is there anything that happened within this season? Maybe that you added onto the bottom? Maybe you kept out that really kind of scared you. Are there any moments that kind of just shivered on your spine kind of thing? Um, no. No. No. You said it for a second. The way you're as a daily, I was like, she's holding back tears or can't think of anything. No, I mean, they're, no, no, no, I was, I was thinking of like, I mean, there's some dark stories of like parents saying that their non-speakers are being like um, harmed. Yeah. Um, in like at night. But like, yeah, scratches on their bodies and something. That's like really freaking weird. And I don't know what to make of it. I've never seen it. I don't know. I mean, I trust these families. I trust them, but like, that's scary. And I don't know what that means. And I think that's, you know, so many of these parents just say that their children are so much more vulnerable and so much more open. Um, and such less ability to protect themselves, but I think spiritually they are actually way more strong and able to protect themselves. So it's just really hard to know. So it's hard to talk about, you know, but I think overwhelmingly like we're kind of coming out of this from a place of like love and unity and that there's like such wonderment and magic that is accessible to all of us. Like thank goodness for this incredible population that like opened our eyes and opened the doors to belief. Um, but it's all there for the taking and we shouldn't be scared of it. You know, yeah. Um, is there any plan for the future to release any of the stuff that you've cut out of the first season or second season? Is there stuff like unreleased to let the tapes? Oh, yeah. Like so we're releasing a ton on our backstage past. So we have, you know, a super cast where we have like our own discord channel, a ton of videos. Ask me any things with like non speakers with myself with like Lauren Jackson, who's a medium with the Jason Pageant, who, you know, who's the guy who got hit in the head. Like so if people really want to deep dive, um, our backstage past, um, on, on super cast is the place to be. And we will be releasing all sorts of stuff. And like the thing that people should know too is like we spend like a year working on each season. And that's usually 10 to 12 episodes. And then after that we re we weekly unpack the entire season in an episode of some of the we call the talk tracks up until the next season drops. So over the next year, once season two is done, we're going to be unpacking like near-death experiences and psychedelics and mediumship and talking to plants and all this stuff. Awesome. And what about your film? When is that going to be released? Yeah. So we have, um, uh, rough cut. And my first rough cut did not have me in it because I was like, I want to see the floor and have it all be about families and teachers. And I sent it out to focus groups into some of our funders and they were all like, what? You have to be in it. And the family's rig, you have to be in it. So I was like, oh man. So now it's like we're recutting the whole thing to put me in it and kind of narrate it. And then I think we should have the next rough cut by January. And then we hope to have the whole thing done, done, done, done, done April. And, um, and then we'll figure out like if we're going to premiere at a festival or not and all that news will be coming in April. Awesome. That's so awesome. I'm excited about that. That's going to be crazy good. Thank you. I'm excited. Yeah. We're very excited. We'll have to have you back on and promote the film for sure. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. If you ever are in Florida, we'd love to have you in studio. We're in Florida. We're in a central Florida, just north of Orlando. Okay. Cool. And if you come, we typically sing our guests a song. So yeah, I love song. So good. That's great. Well, thank you so much, Kai, for coming on. And this is the first time we've ever done a remote interview. So if it, if we seemed weird, it's because we are kind of weird. So you didn't seem weird at all. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. And we love, uh, it's a lot of these tapes and what you've done. And it's, you can really tell how much work you've guys have put into it. And the heart in it is phenomenal. And so yeah, we just, we admire you guys, and we just can't wait to keep listening. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. You did it, everyone. We did it. Pretty crazy stuff, huh? It was crazy. Super wild. And it was super nice of her to actually sit down with us and talk with us next time we have to get her in the studio. Yeah. But and if you guys like these remote interviews where it's not necessarily our normal format of podcast, what does know? And we might continue doing it because there are some people that were like, you know, that want to come on the show and they're like, we just, I just can't get to Florida right now. And so this could be, if you guys like this, we could continue this process. There's some comedians that have reached out. They're like, hey, I'd love to be on, but I don't have to do remote we get I know Brad Pits reached out he's like I can only do it, but it has to be online sure my wife watches this podcast I don't know if I can handle that. Yeah, we've got Barack Obama No presence. No, I'm not I'm not in Florida any time soon Let me listen sport sport. I'm not in Florida, but I would love to go online and do an interview with you guys Anyways, yeah, so let us know if you liked it Thank you again Kai and our teams to lean all them. Thank you all so much, and Wherever you're watching this which you're probably watching us on patreon or youtube membership first because we're releasing it first But if you're watching this if we really sit later on Spotify and YouTube subscribe wherever you are. Yes, because you could have watched this like two weeks ago. 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