Niecy Nash-Betts Opens Up About the Love That Changed Everything
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The conversation centers on personal authenticity, self-ownership, and emotional honesty in relationships and life choices. Host and guest discuss the importance of setting energy boundaries, curating personal spaces, and living with intention—especially in the face of societal expectations. A lighthearted "Courtship Crimes" game explores common relationship dynamics, such as financial equity, open relationships, and trust, with the emphasis on mutual respect and transparency. The host shares a deeply personal story of developing feelings for a longtime friend, highlighting how attraction can emerge unexpectedly, especially in the absence of societal judgment. This experience reflects a broader theme: Black women are often denied full autonomy in their sexuality and personal choices, rooted in historical and cultural shame. The dialogue advocates for self-trust, emotional freedom, and living without seeking external permission. The host celebrates personal growth, including career transitions and relationship decisions, emphasizing that true love and fulfillment come from authenticity. Through stories from her career and personal life—like her work on *All's Fair* and past relationships—she illustrates how self-discovery and courage lead to deeper connections. Ultimately, the message is one of liberation: to live boldly, express oneself fully, and trust one’s intuition, even when it feels unfamiliar or risky.
Because I've been married since Jesus was a baby.
You know what I mean?
They don't let me be single in these streets, baby.
They strap me down.
You understand me?
And we're going to be honest.
Huh?
Uh-uh.
You just going to take it?
Uh-huh.
Oh, can we get clinic?
You know.
And I said, oh my god, my stomach is hot.
That's how I feel for boys.
Right.
You got to do it in your head.
I'm working.
I'm working here.
First of all, I just got here.
And by here, I mean the community.
OK.
I don't even know why I'm telling you all this.
Hey, neighbor.
OK, so Niecy Nash is pulling up to the house today.
And this Emmy winner has been dominating our screens forever.
I mean, everything from Reno 911, Dahmer, Grotesquerie.
And this fall, she's got a brand new show coming called All's Fair.
She is the epitome of a powerhouse.
Honest, hilarious, and always herself.
And I bet she's the kind of house guest that reminds you to stand up a little taller, speak
out a little louder, and love on a lot harder.
Your place is so nice.
Thank you for coming to the house.
OK, so whenever we have a house guest here, I always have this pre-arrival protocol, right?
Which is?
I light some Palo Santo.
I set an intention.
For ours today, it was joy.
Oh, wow.
That's my intention for our time together today.
And then, so literally, I light some Palo Santo.
You know, first of all, I love that you are that intentional.
Oh, yeah.
I love it so much.
You can't see the smoke, but it's there.
Trust me.
No, you know, I get the vibe.
And first of all, I appreciate it.
Second of all, I admire it.
Third of all, I'm different than you in that I will light candles.
OK.
Because I do like a good smell good.
You know what I'm saying?
But I just don't have people come over my house I don't like.
And that's how we do that.
I keep the light on.
The list, real short.
Now, you could come up to a club and have five people with you.
And I'm going to say, bring them over here.
Come on.
Come on.
At my house, I do not.
Is that right?
It's very curated.
OK.
Because I don't mess with my energy.
It's true.
In my dwelling.
That's where you rest your head.
You let your head.
Come on.
It's got to be right.
But I love setting the intention.
You gave me something to think about.
Especially because, one, I want to thank you for coming.
Because, you know, we have wanted you to be on House Guest for some time.
Really?
Yes.
Really?
Yes.
You are.
What I also love is that when Jess pulled up to the house, she had a head-to-toe Versace
situation.
Then you pull up to the house in a head-to-toe Moschino Versace situation.
This is a happy accident.
That's just, we're so connected.
And you know what's so funny?
I asked her to come with me.
See?
And she was supposed to come.
And then she started doing some music stuff.
She said, man, you good if I don't go?
Because I'm trying to get this finished.
And I'm like, yeah.
What I love is that you're a person.
You good if I don't go?
Yeah.
Well, because you know.
Exactly.
Smooth.
Smooth.
Smooth.
Smooth.
Silky smooth.
Huh?
Ask about it if you don't know.
That part.
And it's just crazy that we end up in the same outfit.
See?
And this was, she did hers, what?
Months ago.
Months ago.
It was summertime, I feel like.
Yeah, it was hot as hell.
It was bees at night.
Oh, wow.
You ever seen bees at night?
Okay, well, I hope I don't see none.
Yeah, I hope so, too.
What?
Shoes.
Playing with me.
You got your EpiPear?
I want to just tell you, I am so proud of you.
You know, and I want to say that because oftentimes people don't understand how to practice the pivot.
Like when things are one way and you say, oh, I want this or, oh, I want that, or this is not happening over here.
Or that's the way I like, or that's the way I like.
And we don't understand oftentimes that we are the curators of whatever it is we want to happen.
And you say, wait, let me take a look at it.
Let me course correct.
And now let me step back in.
And I just love that for you.
And I'm just so, so proud of you.
I really am.
I see you.
I was not expecting that.
I was just, you know, going to try to make this cute margarita for you real quick.
And we're going to do that.
We're going to do that.
But it's important.
It's important to let people know you see them.
It's important to let people know how impactful it is when you step out and you say, I'm going to live my dream.
I'm going to curate the show that I want.
I'm going to live the life that I want and not ask anybody for permission.
Permission.
And I'm just going to do it.
And it's amazing how life will show you it's been ready for you to make that choice.
You know, like, it is amazing what happens when you take the step, how things show up, people show up, resources show up.
And I'm not saying without challenge or without.
Oh, no, nothing is without that.
Yeah.
But I just want you to know that it does not go unnoticed by people who have been in this business, who understand how hard it is to move around and make something happen.
And still eat.
Right.
Huh?
That part.
You don't want to go to bed with your stomach pressing up against your back.
That part.
So it's all of those things.
And I just want you to know it is so admirable.
And I'm just so proud of you.
I really, really am.
I love you, sir.
I love you deep.
I'm so glad that you are our house guest today.
Hey, I'm the house guest today.
Hey, hey, hey.
What you know about it?
Or what you know about it?
And if there's one thing I know about you is it's all things top tier.
Yeah.
So we're not doing nothing mid-level, nothing low-level, nothing entry-level.
What is that?
What even is that?
What is mid?
So we're doing a margarita, but today we're doing a Cadillac margarita.
Top tier.
Top tier.
So we're going to start with a little bit of ice.
Now, wait.
Do you consider yourself a mixologist?
I do.
Okay.
I consider myself a jack of many trades.
I ain't going to say all.
Because if you got a plumbing question, I can't help you.
Don't ask you.
No, not, no.
Okay.
If it involves a. Caulk.
We're just going to let that sit right there.
That's what we're going to do.
And carry on.
We've got our premium tequila for you.
Yeah.
Premium tequila for me.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Then we've got our lime juice.
Uh-huh.
If you want the recipe, you already know I got you.
It's in the description.
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So now we've got our tequila.
We've got our lime juice.
We've got Cointreau.
A little bit of that in there for us.
And then we give that a shake.
I love that you left out that agave.
Not a big agave person.
I just feel like we don't really need it.
You're not a sweet margarita.
I don't like my drinks too sweet.
Me either.
But I feel like if you got the Grand Marnier, you're going to get there.
You're going to get whatever you need on that.
Yeah.
It's going to give you that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Then you shake it.
You shake.
And you shake all day.
Yeah.
You got to do the stink face or it don't count.
Or it don't count.
It don't count.
You can't like.
No, you got to get with it.
No, it's got to.
You got to.
Yeah.
It's got to be nasty.
Come on.
We're going to a little for you.
And a little for me.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
And then I'm going to gift you.
Your own Grand Marnier.
Thank you.
Because there are some people who sit.
I do a little pour over.
What about you?
Is that what you do?
Yeah, I do a little pour over.
I don't play with it.
I don't play with it at all.
Well, then in that case, let's not play.
Salute.
Shoot.
Salute indeed.
Oh, yeah.
See?
Uh-huh.
See what I'm saying?
Yeah.
You don't need no agave.
Uh-uh.
That's all you need.
That's all you need.
You have taken us on journeys every single time.
You get on our screen.
That's right.
From Reno 911, Claws.
You've gotten some roles that have been very close to law enforcement.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Very close to criminal activity.
Uh-huh.
Might make you experts at what might get you five to ten.
Uh-huh.
I would agree with that.
They're on both sides of the law.
On both sides of the law.
And now with this new show coming out on Hulu, All's Fair.
All's Fair.
How would you describe All's Fair to people who are still in the industry?
People who are still not up on it yet.
It follows a group of women.
Right.
Who are attorneys at an all-female run divorce firm.
Oh, snap.
So we handle high-profile divorces.
But you also get to unpack a little of the drama that is going on in our own lives.
Yeah, in our own lives.
All while being impeccably dressed.
When I tell you the shots of you in your dressing room.
Getting ready.
Oh, my getting ready.
Get ready with me.
Getting ready with you.
Yeah, before I walk out.
Baby.
I don't know who needs to hear this.
I don't know.
Who needs to hear this?
I love it.
I'd be like, me.
And you know what?
I didn't even really think about the fact that it was my fashion for the show.
I just, a morning thought, a morning rant while I put my earrings on.
Yeah.
But yeah, you saw a little bit of the fashion while I was doing that.
I remember seeing you early on in that process.
And I was like, please keep doing these.
You know the only reason why?
- I fell off because we rapped.
- Right.
Well, where can I do them now?
Because I don't even get this dolled up.
I see your closet.
I will.
You get dolled up.
Okay, relax.
Yeah.
No, you get dolled up.
Okay, why do I feel like I'm in a hot seat?
It's just because it's hot outside.
Relax.
In keeping with the theme of all of that, we're going to play a little game.
I'm going to call it Courtship Crimes, and you are going to be the judge this time.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
Let me make sure this works.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
We're in good shape, guys.
We're in good shape.
Yes.
Okay, so here are our situations, and you're going to tell us what you're going to give
us a ruling on these common relationship situations.
Boom.
Okay.
Hit me.
Your Honor, my client would like to propose, but would like to see their partner's financial
status first.
I am going to rule in your favor, because you got to know what you're getting into.
Am I right or am I wrong?
You got to know what you're getting into.
Not judging.
Cool.
We got to know what's happening there.
But also, there might have to be some judgment.
It may not be grounds to break up with you, but it may be grounds to understand how to
move differently when it comes to finance.
Yeah, and what our financial future is going to be like together.
Oh, yeah.
Which means you're bringing in together.
We're bringing it together.
So we got to know what together means.
We got to know what we're doing.
It doesn't even matter what it is.
We just got to know how we're going to move around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it doesn't even mean, I mean, what if you don't have a lot of money, but, hey, you
got a credit.
That's something.
I can work with that.
Hello.
Hello.
And what if you ain't got no credit, but you got a lot of money?
I can work with that, too.
Okay.
Now, you could also have mid-credit.
Or you could have a whole lot of debt and a whole lot of responsibilities that you have
been lacking on paying it.
Hey, do I want it to follow me?
She does not.
Does not.
But I want to know that's what we got.
All right.
Your Honor, my client would like to open their relationship.
Open their relationship because their sexual needs are just not being met in the current
dynamic.
Well, what I'm going to say to that is, if the partner is willing, go for it.
If they're not, go get you somebody who is.
Huh?
That's a ruling right there.
Because you can't stay where you're not being satisfied.
Hello.
You just can't.
But also, you got to let people know they're in an open relationship.
You can't just be in a-
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
I said-
You can't be on the slick stuff.
No.
You got to let people know.
Let people know.
Oh, it's three of us in here?
How many of us is in here?
Because you know what I tell you, I found out-
How many of us is in here?
Because I found out early on.
I don't mind you doing whatever you want to do, but don't do it and I don't know because
then I could have been out doing something.
Huh?
Hello?
Come on.
I mean, if we outside-
Come on, somebody.
Is everybody outside?
I'm trying to be where everybody is.
Let me put my shoes on real quick.
I thought you was going outside.
I could have been going outside.
That part.
Don't leave me in the house if everybody outside.
You know, I did this show on Peacock called Couple to Thrupple, and the whole idea, the
whole purpose of the show, the whole purpose of me doing the show was I wanted people to
start asking themselves different questions about their dynamic and then to feel more
comfortable, more confident in defining their own dynamic, their own relationship for themselves.
Because I knew a whole lot of people who were in open relationships.
And one of them didn't know it.
And didn't know it.
That's right.
They were in polyamorous experiences.
And it's so unfair.
So unfair.
And so what happens when we can all lay it all out on the table?
And you can say, "Yeah, go get what you want," but you also need to know why you going to
get yours.
I'm for sure going to get mine.
And that's usually where it falls apart because it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun.
You think it's okay as long as you out here clicking and clacking.
But let me get a little taste.
Right.
Now we got a problem.
I think that's selfish.
Don't be a selfish lover.
That's ugly.
It is.
Don't do that.
It is.
Don't do that.
No, it's okay if I do it, but you just need to stay home.
Yeah, but you can't do it.
Stop it.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do it.
Your Honor, the defendant makes twice the income but asks the partner to split 50/50 on everything.
We need a ruling, Your Honor.
Is that fair?
Well, let me say this.
Mm-hmm.
What is fair to me is that you spend an equal portion of what you make.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
That's the fair part of it.
If everybody is contributing 30, 40% of what they make, 30, 40% from you, 30, 40% from
me, it is what it is.
Now, that's a word.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not a specific dollar amount, but you can do a percentage of each whole.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because that way, it will feel like everybody is contributing their equal share.
And you know what this feels like.
Yeah.
Right?
This is the house that we live in.
These are the trips that we go on.
This is the orange juice we drink.
Mm-hmm.
We all contribute to that life.
Oh, yeah, because you never want to be in a space or a place where you're arguing
about money.
Right.
And my thing is, it's so many other things that you could be having conversations about.
That part.
What is the equal portion of what you have?
This takes this much percent of my salary, how much percent of your salary?
Same equal portion percent, and let's move forward and go be great.
If one person paying for the trip, the other person is paying for the excursions when we
get there.
That part.
If one person is. You find the balance in the relationship, but you have to be willing
to stop looking at it so black and white.
It's not about it being fair.
It's about whether or not it's equitable.
Mm.
Is there equity on both sides. Yeah, yeah, yeah. in terms of what you're putting in?
Did you always have this perspective, or was it 50/50 for you at some point?
Well, I've been in situations where I didn't have a pot or a window, because I've been
married since Jesus was a baby.
They strap me down.
You understand me?
They pull me in.
I know that's what I mean.
They don't give me a break, baby.
I don't care what gender it is.
They pulling on me.
They don't get a day off.
I don't get a day off.
They do not let me.
So, I've been married, I feel like, since I came into the world.
You understand?
Came out married.
Right.
Right.
And so, I've been in situations where the other partner made the majority of the money
and basically took care of me, but then when the tables turned, and I was able to say,
"Now, I got a job.
Now, I got a job.
Now, I got a job."
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, I've been in situations where the other partner made the majority of the money,
and basically took care of me, but then when the tables turned, and I was able to say, "Now,
I got it.
You go live your dream and let me take care of things."
Right.
But ultimately, this idea of just equal percentage, I just feel like keeps it light and keeps
it where we don't have to keep having this conversation.
That part.
And like what else, like you said, what else can we be talking about?
Right.
Find something to pay for.
What else can we be growing?
Huh?
You don't got the mortgage, what you got?
What else you got?
Can you go get the groceries?
What you got?
Go get something.
Go get something.
Go get something.
Go get something.
Gas?
And bring it in here.
Come on.
And I don't want to keep talking about it.
Hello.
Come on.
That's all right.
Now, these Hulu memberships, these Peacock memberships-
Get it together.
Can you get something?
Come on.
No.
Premium liqueur.
Hello.
Premium liqueur.
Come on.
Premium liqueur.
Come on.
Premium liqueur.
Premium liqueur.
Premium liqueur.
Premium liqueur.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
All right.
Here's our next one.
Your Honor, she didn't respond to my client's texts, but she was posting all daggone day
on her stories.
She was on a carousel where it's supposed to post at a certain time.
I may not be on my phone.
This is where you get kind of a gray area, because it depends on how locked in you're
in.
Right.
Because let's just say I'm married to you, and I'm really trying to reach you.
Something happened at the kids' school, whatever, you know that this is and that's.
It's an emergency.
The pipe busted in the house.
Right.
And I'm trying to find you or call you, and you don't answer, but the green bubble
is on.
And you posted.
And I'm like, do you see me?
The green bubble is on.
Do you see me calling you?
Do you see me texting you?
What?
What's the problem?
Where they do this at?
Where they do that at?
Because you could at least text back to be like, give me a few ticks.
I'm going to hit you back.
But you don't get to be the police of me in my time.
But out of respect, I say if you're really locked in with a person, you do get to.
It is honorable if you say, hey, I see you call.
I'm going to hit you back at this time.
Yeah, that's it. That's that on that.
Your Honor, the defendant broke up with my client because they found out they were bisexual and thinks that those people are more likely to cheat.
Well, cheating is an equal opportunity sport.
It doesn't matter what your sexual preference is.
If you're a cheater, you're a cheater.
If you're going to cheat, you're going to cheat.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Whoever you're going to cheat with, you're going to find something to cheat with.
If you want to cheat, you will cheat.
So there is no grounds for breaking up with somebody based on their sexual preference
and classifying
that particular person
a cheater
based on their
sexual preference.
Right.
Absolutely not.
I agree.
I remember having
conversations with
queer people
in particular
about bi people
and the
The conversation being like, oh, that's not real.
Bisexuality is not real.
You're just confused.
You've got to make a choice.
And I was like, wait, but you're a lesbian.
You're a gay man.
How do you impose the same kind of rigid thinking that you've done your best to escape onto a whole other person?
All right?
But what I do, though, so I don't know.
Well, I just touched down about 22 minutes ago.
I don't know all the running rules.
I haven't even received my toaster or welcome packet or anything.
Where are the rules?
Where are the rules?
My orientation.
I don't have any of that.
But what I do know is this.
Mind the business that pays you.
Hello.
And let people do what they want to do in the streets and in the sheets as long as it ain't hurting you.
Hurting you.
You understand?
I do.
You want to wear a thing and you want to put on a.
A damn bonnet and march through the.
Go ahead, baby.
Do it your.
Do it your.
That's you.
You want to make it.
You want to look like that.
Go on.
That's you.
Whatever it is you want to do.
Do it.
Make it happen.
And and don't police other people's sexuality.
Don't police how people move, how they dress.
I think people should just leave other people alone.
Alone.
Period.
Just leave people alone.
Dr. Shemira used to always say, why would you yuck somebody else's young?
Why would you yuck that young?
Don't yuck that young.
Leave people.
Leave people alone.
But I feel what you say.
If you have it in you to be cheating, you're going to be cheating no matter what you are.
Yes.
What your sexual orientation, your preferences, what you're into, what you're not into.
If you mean to cheat, you're going to cheat.
And let me say this as an added measure, because black people have enough strikes against them.
We have enough problems.
And now when you bring sexuality into it, you're going to be divisive.
Inside a community, in the larger community, when you already know what it is.
Come on.
See yourself.
Come on.
And knock it off.
Have a glass of acrite.
Have a seat.
And knock it off.
Your honor, my client wants to earn additional money by starting an OnlyFans page.
But the defendant won't allow it.
Well, I will say this.
If you're in a committed relationship, you do have to take how another person feels into consideration.
But you are your own person.
Absolutely.
Okay.
If what you are doing on your OnlyFans, I might be the only person in America who's never been on OnlyFans.
Hold on.
I got a phone.
I can show you.
I've never been on OnlyFans in my life.
And not once in my life.
Really?
Not even on accident?
No.
I've never.
And that's the God honest truth.
Hand to the God I serve.
But I will tell you this.
I have heard there are things that you could do on there that are not compromising.
Yes.
To your relationship.
So, if there are things that you can do that would also make income, you know what I mean?
That would be, you know, your partner would be amenable to.
Yeah.
Or maybe even involved in.
If they feel so led.
And if they do not, then you have to decide whether or not that's the relationship for you.
If you are that insistent on doing that thing.
I have had a situation where I've just, you know, I've been scrolling the web.
You know, you put in certain words and stuff pops up.
And sometimes you click on it.
And then sometimes you see people that you know.
Mm-hmm.
That you didn't know were on OnlyFans.
Mm-hmm.
Let's say you get online.
Okay.
And you see somebody that you know doing something that's perfectly within their yum.
Uh-huh.
That you were unaware that they were maybe, you know, soliciting.
I clock it.
And I don't judge.
That's it right there.
I clock it.
And I carry on.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
I was just going to say that.
All right.
Oh, wow.
Oh, that's what we're doing?
Mm.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
Clock it.
And carry on.
And keep it moving.
Your Honor, the defendant shares intimate details of their sex life with my client to their separate group chat.
So the intimate details of the relationship.
I got it.
And they're telling other people in another group chat.
In a group chat.
That means that that person really doesn't care about you.
And I'm going to keep it a hundo.
A word.
No.
Come on.
Because here's the thing.
When you first get with somebody, you might tell others, like,
Man, I had this body.
She was.
But if you fall for this girl.
Yeah.
Them lips get tight.
Real tight.
Huh?
You got a cast and crew.
Am I lying?
Am I lying?
No, I'm quite right.
The cast and crew.
Huh?
I'm trying to tell you what.
I'm quite right.
I am quite right.
When you care about somebody, you tighten them lips up because you don't want people to know.
You don't want people to know what you got and what you got going on.
It's sacred.
And you protect it at that point.
So if somebody is still telling, they don't have the value for you that you think they do.
Right.
That they maybe are telling you that they do.
Yeah.
No, they don't.
Take it from auntie.
They don't.
That's real.
Hashtag they don't.
Hashtag.
I looked it up and they don't.
Turns out.
I asked around and they don't.
Listen, if you were wondering.
They don't.
They don't.
Your honor, my client would like full access to their partner's phone at all times.
Access granted.
What?
Hold up.
No, hold on.
I don't think you heard me right.
Hold on.
Base out your thought.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let me just do it.
Let me just read it one more time.
I don't need you to read it again.
And let me tell you why.
Full access.
Let me tell you why.
To their partner's phone.
Let me tell you why.
At all times.
Let me tell you why.
What do you have to hide?
I got passwords.
If you are in a committed relationship.
I got Bitcoin.
What do you have to hide if you are in a committed relationship?
Now, this is just me in my courtroom, which is right here, right now.
I got my Duolingo streak.
Uh-huh.
And I am saying Duolingo.
Español, mi amor.
It's for those padres.
I know that's true.
All right.
And this is just how I feel about it.
I feel like there's nothing to hide.
I can go home right now, pick up my spouse's phone.
And tap right in.
Why are we in a situation while we wait until you sleep trying to open it with your face?
We're not doing.
We're not playing these games.
We are not playing these games.
Because why?
Because why?
Right.
Do you trust me?
Do you love me?
Are you committed to me?
And do you have anything to hide?
Because if you don't, full access granted.
You know what they say.
If you go looking, you're going to find something.
I feel like that's childish.
Okay.
I feel like that's very remedial.
From childish to remedial.
Yeah.
We went in the wrong direction.
Oh, if you look for something, you're going to find it.
What?
Why are you saying it like that?
What?
Like what?
Like a present you hid from me in the closet that I wasn't supposed to open yet?
What am I going to find, honey?
What will it be?
Because let me tell you something.
I make my thing feel custom.
The love I give is not off the rack.
And so if you got something to hide from me, it better be a diamond.
It better be another wedding band.
It better be.
What are you?
Tickets.
Where are we going?
I don't know.
I just feel like once you get a feeling that something is not right.
Right.
Then it's already not right.
That feeling that something is all right.
If I got to go feel like I got to go look through your phone for that.
Like, oh, I'm trying to call your auntie to surprise you with a thing.
That's different.
Right.
Oh, you got so-and-so number and you were sleeping.
I needed to get it out of your phone.
That's different.
But if I'm like, let me wait till I could get in this phone.
And nobody is looking to see what's going on.
We already lost the Pisces in me.
What is it?
Careful.
I'm a Pisces, too.
So I'm saying the Pisces in me is intuitive.
Yeah.
And feels like I just need a little bit of proof.
I feel I feel it.
But you know what?
Even when you didn't get it the way you thought you were going to get it.
And it was always revealed.
You know, you know, because so you ain't even got to put yourself through that stress.
All you got to do is pray to the most high.
Show me anything.
I don't know.
Oh, we.
I'm going to tell you right now.
Be careful what you be praying for.
Because if you're not really ready to be shown, you'd be up there seeing, trying to see a different thing.
Baby.
Look, can I get a different sign?
I am so intuitive.
Yeah.
I remember dating a guy years ago and it was late at night and he wasn't answering his phone.
I'm like, oh, that's so odd.
And I went to sleep.
I jumped up in the middle of the night and I said, I know where he's at.
What?
And I knew where he was.
But so then what?
How does this?
He was somewhere he didn't have no business being.
And I called over to said establishment.
No, you did.
Oh, yes, I did.
Because I knew he was there.
It wasn't like I was trying to see.
I knew it.
It was because Pisces are so intuitive.
I'm telling you.
And I'm like, do it if you want to.
Because a Pisces gonna know.
Going.
I didn't make the rules up.
Did not make.
You guys.
You guys.
What do you want me to do?
I just I woke up this way.
It's what it is.
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
And I didn't even know what I was going to say.
The lady answered the phone and said the name of the establishment.
I said, oh, my God.
I was like, my car broke down and my brother is up there.
And I need, I need.
And he, blah, blah, blah.
And can you ring the room?
Because da, da, da, da, da.
Right.
She said, one second.
One second.
Damn.
I said, let me put my sweatpants on.
Well, here we go.
You know, because I was back when I was wild.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was.
You take my earrings off with your studs.
Yeah, let me, let me, let me get ready.
We're going downstairs.
Because I'm leaving, but I'm going to show out first.
That's how I used to be.
you know what I mean
I'm not that way anymore
but your intuitiveness as a Pisces
does not leave you
and I could just be looking at somebody
and why they talking happened to me recently
we just went to a party and a girl was sitting up there
trying to explain herself to me and tell me how great
she was as a person and I said
oh no
I don't get none of that actually from you
the read I'm giving you is not
none of that, it's true
it's a super power to listen to it
because I think it's one thing
to have it to be revealed to you
it's another thing to be like
I trust that enough to believe it
I used to have a girl
every time she was about to do
something that did not serve her
she dropped in my spirit and I picked up the phone
and by the sixth time
it happened she was like
are you an angel
I'm like girl
now wait a minute
it's so funny that you ask
I'm a lot of things
you remember that show
yeah I do
you remember that show with the little angel
like come on then
oh my darling
yes
I was like I'm a lot of things girl
but I'm not an angel
but sometimes you just have a soul tie with people
and your intuition as a Pisces
will just allow you to lock in
in a way that you just don't with other people
so anyway I don't even remember
the original question but my answer is
love a Pisces
love a Pisces
and that's that on that
well come on let's do these tacos
you ready
so we've got some
taco stitches today right
we've got corn tortillas
flour tortillas
but steak and shrimp
with the guac
the cilantro
come on
the red onion
I appreciate the accent
where is your favorite place to travel
I don't have a favorite
I told you I love to travel
Jessica when we got married
I want to make love all around the world
and that's what we attempt to do
and I go to Mexico a lot
because it's close
but I don't have a favorite
do you need to go to the resort
and you don't leave the resort
or are you like out in the streets
in the city streets
no I don't need to be out in the city streets
I want to be laid up
in an umbrella
you said no I don't
you said Mexico City ain't got nothing I need to see
I'm okay
I'm okay
I'm okay
I'm good
okay thank you Lord for this food
we are about to receive
blessing hands are prepared
and thank you for the provision
amen
amen
you know Jess was here
yeah
your husband was here
yeah
and told us
some of the particulars
of how y'all first got together
but I want to know
as a woman who did not identify as a queer woman
before marrying her husband
mm-hmm
how
good ain't it
mm-hmm
how did you arrive at that with Jess
well
um
I think that
the short answer
is that I was open to love
and
that open
uh
yeah
because you and I had just talked
and there wasn't even a conversation about you dating
let alone
a conversation about you being engaged
about to get married
um
yeah
and I remember how
immediately
the the instant feeling was
oh man
this gotta be special
for you to play that
for you to play it that close to your chest
well you had some thoughts
some other people didn't have
is that right
yeah
because a lot of people said
it's fake
it's not real
it's a sham
uh
it's a movie
what
Jessica and I had been friends for a long time
for four and a half years
while I was
in my first marriage
um
because I knew her
you had some people that thought
we started
while I was married
that's absolutely not true
we wouldn't even be married
if that was the case
right
we were friends
we always hung out
when I was in New York
went to theater
went to plays
and
I got divorced
and she did not know it
no one knew
right
I was in
um
Chanel
shopping
with my girlfriend
Robin
and my phone rang
and it was a reporter
and the reporter said
we are getting ready
to break the story
of your divorce
do you have a comment
what
and I started shaking
because
even in that
I wanted to keep it private
like I wasn't trying to
make a big
you know what I mean
you don't like seeing yourself
uh
on one of these platforms
with the squiggly line
red line
through your
your pictures
no
you don't want to see
to see that
cause it quits
I called Ava DuVernay
with tears in my eyes
first of all
they don't give you champagne
at the store
unless you buy something
but I said I didn't get a chance
to buy nothing
can I have a champagne please
I'm a new woman
cause I'm not gonna make it
I'm not gonna make it
the man felt sorry for me
and gave me a champagne
and I called Ava
and she said
friend
don't panic
cause you know
Ava started a publicist
right
she went in PR mode
she went in PR mode
she was like
you need to release a statement
get to a friend
that's gonna keep your head clear
get you a friend
that's gonna keep your head clear
so I had one friend
rubbing my back
while I guzzled champagne
at the Chanel store
shout out to Robin
and then I had another friend
on speed dial
that was like
let's come up with your statement
let me send it to my graphic designer
cause you won't just
you know
let it look nice
right
call your ex
get them to approve the statement
and then we'll go
and then you can
you know what I mean
wow
and so
Jessica didn't know
any of that
but I had been gone
right
you know what I mean
but nobody knew
by the time she saw
that I posted
that I was in New York
she was like
are you in New York
I said no
I'm actually in Jersey
she said
I live in Jersey
and I said
oh
and she was like
well I wanna see you
which wasn't unusual
right
she said
I got a date
but I could come through
on my way
I said well come on
she came on her way
and I said
well how far is the girl
you gotta go see
she was like
well I gotta take this train
to get to that train
and that train
and I said
well did you eat
cause you gonna need your energy
she was like no
I said well let me make you a plate
you know
still not thinking nothing
nothing
she goes on her date
I'm like have a good time
right
I don't care
right
what you doing
getting ready to go get some crabs
I want crabs
okay I'm leaving in 10 minutes
I'm gonna meet you there
okay
she wasn't there
so I ordered my food
right
and was a crab claw in
and a half a glass of wine
when she showed up
I know that's right
cause I don't wait for you
I'm not playing no games
this is not a date
this is food
what are we doing
I'm eating
yeah yeah yeah
so I'm licking crab
off my wrist
and she comes in
and I'm like
get her bag of crabs
and something happened
at that dinner
I saw her with fresh eyes
and I said
oh my god
my stomach is hot
that's why
that's how I feel for boys
right
that's how it happened for you
you're like wait
this is a feeling
I'm familiar with
I did not expect to have it with you
I know what the feeling is
right
you know what I mean
I had my first boyfriend
in kindergarten
well you know
as some folks say
kindergarten
kindergarten
but if you say kindergarten
you know what it is
I had my first baby
with a piece of candy
in my sock
my grandmother
I asked my grandmother
I said
okay girl listen
this boy liked this girl
and she got long ponytails
my grandmother
used to smoke a cigarette
on the filter
she said ponytails
go look in grandma's hair drawer
get them ponytails
out the bottom of it
she gave me two Cindy Brady
you are not
no
I'm not doing this with you
let me wear my velveteen dress
and my rabbit jacket baby
I'm not
she said don't tell
don't tell your mama
I'll let you wear your good clothes
put them clothes on
put a piece of candy in my sock
baby
to go get that man
me see
okay
in kindergarten
okay
okay
we're saying
been getting married since
so I know what the feeling is
you understand
I know
right
and I'm like
wait this is so weird
this is a woman
and it's my friend
and you hadn't had that experience
with other women before
uh uh
like you got a makeup artist
in your face
and you know
it's a little situation
no
you know one of these
you know
beat it
hey girl
I got some candy in my pocket
no
I don't want your candy
my candy look just like yours
beat it
get out of here
scram
and so I was like
wow this is
wow this is
crazy
so I said
well
maybe what I should do
how can I keep the night going
maybe it'll go away
cause this is so weird
right
so I'm like
um
I'm about to go back to my house
and watch my favorite movie
if you wanna go
and she's like
alright
what was your favorite movie
well
come on
the original sparkle
with Irene Cara
and Phillip Michael Thomas
oh wee
only
only to be followed by
and this
and this is not in any order
right right right
but
sparkle
the original
mahogany
ooh
lady sings the blues
and Claudine
like this is the
this is the movie night
top five
long kiss goodnight
oh wee
because who is
Charlie Baltimore
get out of here
who is
who is Charlie Baltimore
get out of here
who is Charlie Baltimore
so
I was like
and I had
and I
I had
and my mom
My mother would buy me, make sure I had,
school now, a DVD of the things that I like. Right. And I would take them with me when I
traveled. I feel more connected to home and I was away from home. So I brought my DVD and I was like,
well, I'm about to go home and watch that because I watch my stuff once a year. I love it. So she
was like, yeah, I didn't know she had a date. She never told me that. Right. I didn't find that out
till way after. Right. We stop and get ice cream. She's lactose intolerant. I didn't know that
either. So Jess is kind of locked in. She's already feeling some things. I can't even speak
for her. Right. Right. Right. I don't even know what's happening. She's like, I'm willing to
sacrifice the guts. Listen, I don't know what she has going on. So we get back to my place,
put the movie on. We watched the whole movie. My stomach stayed hot. Right. I had the butterflies.
I had the whole thing. It never stopped. And I'm like, oh, my God.
Now, this is at the point. And I feel like a lot of people have been in a space and a place because
your biology is what it is. Right. You might feel a thing. You might feel attraction. You know,
we're animals. Right. You may feel attracted to someone. But do you give yourself permission to
act on it? Is the is the question. I had nothing left. A lot of people think
I was Svengali. A lot of people think I was taken advantage of. Or that it's an act. That this
cat came in here. And I was. I was at a low moment. Actually, I wasn't. Right. Because I had been separated for probably at that point, almost six, seven months. Right. Had already filed. My divorce was in final. But I had, you know, we already weren't
living together. I was in a new house. All of the things. I just didn't tell anyone. Right. And.
I was like, oh, my.
God. I feel something. Whoa. Whoa. What was happening in your mind at this point that you
were like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna let this I'm gonna see what this feeling is about.
Real talk. Yeah. OK. I don't feel like as black women, we are given the permission to be fully formed sexual beings.
We don't have the liberty that some of our other other gals may have.
You know, we are from a young age. You keep your skirt down and your panties up.
Right. You do not. If that's not your husband, you don't do this.
So there's a lot of shame associated, which I feel like is deeply rooted in slavery.
And being somebody's concubine and being taken.
And when you have your will, you make it proper and you make it right. Right.
We're other people. We're not given the liberty to like, so did you hook up with anybody this weekend?
Your mama's not asking you that. Exactly. She's like, who is that? Who is that?
Your little friend. So that even when you like somebody, you got to come home and write your first name with his last name.
Right. Even if he may not be that even to be able to process all of that.
Right. And I feel like I've learned something from every character that I've played and the most uninhibited character that I've played with regard to her
sexuality was Desna and the TV series cause I tell you, she she was a cold piece, cold piece.
But she taught me so many things. And I feel like a part of my liberty and a part of my willingness to understand myself in that way came from standing in her stilettos.
Right. And that was the first time Jessica and I ever saw each other face to face was on a set of clothes.
Is that right? Yeah. So cut to we're back in.
Jersey after ice cream and the movie and people think, oh, my God, you know, she must have been taken advantage of this.
You know, you never live this life. What is going on?
But, you know, you know, we're going to be on.
Huh? No, we're going to be on. Well, I just feel like in that moment, I I gave myself.
Permission to experience intimacy was someone who I was very attracted to, but who I also thought was the most beautiful soul.
I thought that from the rip, you know, as a friend, it was somebody I had known for four and a half years.
When she told me that she was getting ready to go.
And she looked back at you and was like, I mean, but you want to go lay down?
Well, what she did was protect me because she said that after I licked her on the cheek.
It was a baby lick.
I like a little kid. Oh, my God.
No, it was a kiss and then a little baby.
OK, I don't even know why I'm telling you.
It was a baby lick.
And then she said, so I appreciate her for protecting my virtue.
And she said, you want to go later?
And.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't want to go lay down.
Technically, I've been laying down ever since.
But there was a moment where I ghosted her.
And the reason why I did that.
Yeah.
The reason why I ghosted her was because I value her as a friend so much.
And I said, I want you to know me when they throw dirt on my face.
When God called my name, I need you to be there.
And I was like, if I mess this up, I will never forgive myself.
That's how much I thought of her.
I'm like, you are so kind and just so nice.
See, and I was like, if I mess this up, you know how people hook up too fast and then then now it's a mess.
And now you're not friends no more.
So I just stop answering her calls because you are so afraid.
That what you would say would turn her off.
No, that I thought that what we did that night could mess up everything.
Wow.
And I was just like, I'm just going to go away.
How did y'all write that?
She would text me three times a day.
Good morning.
I hope your day going all right.
Crickets.
Get out the noon.
I hope everything going good with your day.
Crickets.
Good evening.
Hope your day went well.
I'm good.
You good?
Why do you sound just like her?
I would never.
So I just never answered her calls.
But she never left from being on my mind.
And she texted me or either left me a voicemail.
I can't remember which, but I remember the message being.
I will take care of your heart.
You can trust me.
And I ended up responding and saying, I want to see you.
Will you come to L.A. for Christmas?
And she said, I'll be there.
Shoot.
And she came for Christmas.
And did the stomach get hot?
Did your belly get hot?
Stayed hot.
Still hot.
I'll drink to that.
Still hot.
Baby.
Still hot.
Hello, that part.
Still hot.
Hello.
May you experience in your life, your belly hot.
Ah!
Because when I tell you, I know what you're talking about.
I know what you're talking about.
But I would tell anybody, if I could give anybody advice, you know what I mean?
It just really is the thing that we were created for was to love, be loved, and be of service.
The outer wrappings and all of these things is a social construct.
Right.
I feel like we get caught up in.
It's a man-made thing that judges you and tells you don't do this and don't do that.
Yeah.
And I just feel like you have to.
You have to understand your instrument and your love for yourself.
And really love yourself.
And when you do that, the thing that's for you shows up.
It really does.
It shows up.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't come with, it's not perfect or that it comes without
hardship or obstacle or things to work through.
Because certainly it does.
But there's also a knowing that you have.
For sure.
And a knowing that you have that it is not.
When you lean in to.
What the original template is supposed to be is just love without.
Because anything else that we are living under right now is man-made.
Right.
You understand?
Right.
All the extra above that.
About what is a sin?
What is wrong?
What is right?
What is this?
What is that?
It's all man-made, which religion was created to rule the people.
So how do you rule them?
You try to put things in place that says, if you don't do this, if you don't do that,
then you got to do this and you got to do that.
How do we make our religion different from your religion?
How do we make our thing different from your thing?
And so it's.
And so when you're freed of that and you just get back to the human thing.
Oh, just love.
Right.
Period.
Right.
That's it.
How did you share your relationship with Jessica?
With my family, my children.
With your family, your children, but in particular, your exes.
Let's start backwards and move forward.
Okay.
If I broke up.
Okay.
with you, I don't owe you anything.
If we're not together, I don't owe you
an explanation about nothing I've done.
do i'm gonna call you and tell you about a house a car what what is it who i'm dating and what i'm
doing mind your business so i don't have to i didn't call any of them and tell them nothing
but with my family we were coming home in february of 2020 this is right before covid
so i had to tell my family because you know i told you i had moved got another house
but it's like when mommy came to town everybody was at my house i don't want you to pull up here
your eyes start bleeding don't don't don't don't don't come over here without calling
hey things have changed so i had to tell them things a little different now i had to tell
them all on facetime because i didn't really have the time right you did we were we were traveling
no like family zoom facetime separately individually okay okay because we were coming
back together
to la for my birthday so i called the kids first you know
my baby girl was like oh my god i'm gonna be so cool now i'm gonna have like two moms and a dad
i was like okay my middle girl was like if you like it i love it girl that's exactly her
the middle oh my god
and my son said are you going through a midlife crisis i was like crisis crises i said actually
i'm not i've never been more clear he was like okay but they had met her that december before
because remember she came to cry but they all fell in love with her but didn't know she was mine
wait how did y'all do that you had like you had different uh stockings for everybody and then
went down to the room then y'all did like a little late night no because i've no i always have
they just came over my kids don't live with me uh-huh they came over for because we do a pajama
party every christmas and bye yes get off these mountains before the coyotes come out babies
so they met her as as mommy's friend right right right but they all loved her before they knew she
was mine right so now they know i call them and tell them they all have a response i called my
mother and my mother was just what did she say she was shell shocked my mom was a tough nut to crack
really because she's old school you know she comes from that you know very traditional upbringing
so she struggled in the beginning to like understand it because i've known you your whole
life like what is happening right you know what i mean so there's a lot of processing that that has
to happen it was tough times but i'm not gonna lie i'm not gonna lie i'm not gonna lie i'm not gonna
lie i'm not gonna lie it was tough times and tough going in the beginning but now her and jessica my
mom and jb are like two peas in the pod you know they get along great but i would tell anybody like
if you want to make a decision about your life don't do it based on anybody else and what they
may or may not think you let the chips fall where they may and as long as wherever you are laying
your head makes you happy the people who are really about your happiness will come around
that's real and i'm very
very you know proud of my mother that she was able to do that yeah another thing that i will tell
the the the folks out now you know what i mean don't be in a rush to judgment to put your
relationship out there you can hold it a few ticks you know what i mean but this social media
generation that we live in we want to we want to tell everything we want to prove everything we
want to clap back about everything and you could take a page you know what i mean from a different
generation you know my mama used to always say you gotta know when to hold them and know when to
fold them so it wasn't that my relationship with jb was a secret but it was private my fab five knew
right you know what i mean yeah go ahead and ask me who are the fab five okay i'm glad you
know this way look because i know who the fab five are you know what i'm saying
uh ava duvernay uh oprah winfrey uh sherry shepherd uh-huh robin roberts uh-huh and my
sister kelly stewart that was the fab five just imagine that cruise y'all on the crew just imagine
that cruise i'll watch that show i'll watch it pitch it please i'll watch the show when i saw
the images uh-huh of the ceremony uh-huh i thought what a beautiful show
time what what two people so madly in love with one another and then i looked at
the color yellow
coleman domingo he was the officiant he was our officiant what was the conversations around
what the let me talk to you about it wardrobe let's just say i pitch this to you i say i'm
getting married secretly i would love for you to be our
he pitched his self to me
he said you know i can marry y'all i said oh what is that right he said he could marry us
i said okay we got down to what i said the theme is rustic chic
that was the thing rustic chic yeah let me tell you something and coleman and i have had this
conversation he has since become a fashion guru he's one of the leading fashion gods
a co-chair of the mat gala
a co-chair of the mat gala
but he came to my wedding looking like a damn fool
like a bumblebee it was a bumblebee he was a glorified bumblebee glorious we we've talked
about it what did he say did he know there was something else that you're having and i'm wearing
that outfit i said right but now you're probably gonna have a kitten bag maybe a kitten heel maybe
a little a hat yeah yeah a dainty bag
something
hanging off your shoulder
so here's my question so you're renewing vows soon we decided to have an anniversary party
instead will he maybe host the anniversary party and an opportunity for uh to redo like a redo of
the photo maybe just the photo no because you know why he will be in venice at the film festival
so were it not for that he knows that a redo is necessary redo is in the works oh yeah he knows
coleman he knows we literally had that wedding and was like at the end of the night everything
was so beautiful we just sitting up talking about it they looked at me and said man what the coleman
had come on i said i was gonna ask you the same thing but you know what by the time the night
ended and he took the jacket off and was doing the same thing i was gonna ask you the same thing
he was gonna ask you the same thing i was gonna ask you the same thing he was gonna ask you the same thing
he was gonna ask you the same thing he was gonna ask you the same thing he was gonna ask you the same thing
how you pair up how you team up with ryan murphy y'all always win y'all always win i love ryan y'all
always win what was it about all's fair that you were like yeah this we can do this let's do this
to be honest with you i thought it might have been too big of an undertaking because a lot of
the bigger parts were available at the beginning okay and i had just come off of grotesquery and i
was exhausted i bet trying to play an alcoholic and figuring out all the notes and elements of
that i was like oh i'm worn out did you ever just go to work drunk just to see did you ever just like
i did not no you just like let me just see that i did not i'm just doing coverage today
that would have been a good time though but i did not travis your lines is today let me just
let me let me take us let me see and that's where i would have went wrong this all it is
all of this right here this is wrong guys actors don't do this this is what you don't do um no i did
not do that it's very important that when people you know hire you that you consider friends and
people that you love that you have that you want to get it right for them you don't ever want to
feel like you you dialed a fake moment in anywhere yep so it was important for me to get it right but
after coming off a grotesquerie i was like oh you know what i mean i need a break i need a few ticks
yeah and when they got down to like one roll left i was like hold up okay well maybe i could
no i might go to work just two three days a week this might not be bad
and mess around working more than anybody that part that's what ended up happening i was like
whoa wait a minute you know but i love ryan i feel like he's such an interesting creative
because of the way his mind you just cannot understand his mind no you're never gonna see
it coming never i hadn't been able to work with any of the girls except for glenn close okay yeah
she was the only one i had worked with before we did a movie a thousand years ago come on what glenn
close yeah did anybody bring up you know the lee daniels her in the movie with deliverance you know
she was possessed in that bed and she was i can you know what we did not nobody did not bring it
up wow we let that one run we let it slide and we let it slide and ride gather your rope tight
And let it ride, let it slide.
We did talk about, ironically, Fatal Attraction.
It came up because Kris Jenner came to set and some kind of way the movie came up and then Kim said, I've never seen it.
All heads turned.
She's never seen Fatal Attraction?
No, she said, I like fun movies.
So then it became, let's do a field trip.
Kris Jenner said, you're going to come to my house.
We're all going to watch it.
Because we are so dolled up every day.
I was like, do we have to wear real clothes or can we wear pajamas?
Right.
And they were like, pajamas it is.
We'll come.
We'll do it.
We all went and watched Fatal Attraction with Glenn Close.
It is one of the most favorite times of my life.
What does she do when she's watching Fatal Attraction?
Is she in the bed?
Is she eating popcorn?
Is she on her phone?
No, we're on a big couch.
She's eating popcorn and candy and she loves like blizzards.
So they went and got us all blizzards and Oreo blizzards.
I don't know.
We're eating all this stuff.
And I look down the couch and she's just like.
You did that girl.
So at one point, Michael Douglas takes her and throws her up on the counter.
Her shirt comes down and I don't know who said it.
Somebody was like Glenn.
Is that your titty?
The Glenn Close said, that's my titty.
I said, I love you more than life.
Right there, right now.
Seal the deal.
She gave us all candles as a wrap gift.
The Glenn Close gives you a candle that says, it smells like a motherfucking attorney up in this bitch.
Glenn Close.
The Glenn Close.
It smells like a motherfucking attorney up in this bitch.
It smells like a motherfucking attorney in this bitch.
She has such a delicious sense of humor.
She's so good.
Oh, yeah.
She's so good.
Okay, now I want to play this game with you.
Okay.
But I want you to be thinking about this question while we set up.
Okay.
Who is more surprising as an acting partner, Travis Kelsey or Kim Kardashian?
Just take some steak with me.
And you think about that while we be on our way.
Wow, wow.
I got that wow, wow.
Anything that I want, I'ma get it.
Now, now.
Yeah, wow, wow.
You know, you got to get to these islands.
I got to get to these beaches.
Oh, wow.
What just happened?
Yeah, yeah, something.
Okay, Niecy.
What is happening here?
Yeah, so this is a little game we like to call Make It Make Sense.
Make It Make Sense.
Okay, so before we get to the rules of the game, I asked you a question while we was waiting.
What you asking me?
Kim Kardashian or Travis Kelsey, who surprised you most on set?
I would probably say who surprised me the most was Kim.
Really?
And the reason why is because she is a multitasker to the 10th power.
I'm saying a baby on FaceTime, a computer on her lap running a business, a law book on the side, learning lines, you know, running a corporation.
Really?
I've never seen anything like it.
All things at all times.
It makes you feel like you're not doing enough.
And at lunchtime, somebody is coming in to give you some chiropractic work.
Like, what is happening?
How do you have enough hours in a day?
So it's super, super impressive to watch her work ethic.
Okay.
And it makes you be like, oh, I guess I could squeeze in a couple two more things.
Right?
Put a Duolingo lesson in here real quick.
Yeah, let me get something else going.
Bury that.
Are you excited for people to see what y'all have pulled off with this show this fall?
You know what?
I really am.
You know, all of the girls have their own fan base.
Sarah Paulson, Kim, myself, Naomi Watts, Tiana Taylor, Glenn Close.
You know, we all have our own fan base.
And to bring all of them together the way we have come together, I think it's going to be good times.
Oh, my goodness.
Yes.
After seeing Tiana Taylor in Straw with that strut and that flip with the faucet, the Farrah faucet.
Okay.
No flip, no Farrah faucet, but the strut still lives.
The strut is still alive.
I love it.
Well, then on that note, let's get to it.
All right?
All right.
The game is called Make It Make Sense.
We're going to see an acronym comes up.
If you think you know it, you buzz in.
Okay.
You say the acronym.
Okay.
If you get it right, you get to place a letter on our message.
Okay.
Okay, so let's see our first, one of our first popular phrases or sayings.
N-T-M, N-T-M.
I think I know what that means.
N-T-M, you know?
Not too much.
Is that right?
Not too much.
Okay.
Not too much for my girl.
Yay.
Okay.
Now, what do I get to do?
Okay, now you get to place a letter.
But how do I know where to place it?
You got to start.
You got to just place one and see if you got it right.
If you don't, I get to hit you with a water balloon.
I'm just playing.
I'm just playing.
Is that right?
No?
You want to try to end somewhere else?
Okay.
Well, tell me where it goes.
No, wait.
Hold on.
Not an easy just being like, how about this?
Is it somewhere here?
Is it this right?
Here.
Okay.
Whew.
At least I got the first part right.
Whoever wins the phrase wins the game.
Okay, next phrase.
I-G-Y-B.
I got your back.
I got your back?
That's right.
When I tell you I just knew that,
I was wrong.
I was like, I got your back.
I go, you bend.
I mean, let's see.
Nar.
Nar.
Rar.
R.
And that one, though.
Okay, let's go.
What?
You just know it, or you trying to think about it right now?
You trying to think about it right now.
S-R-S-Y-D-H-T-G-R.
So you're saying we got a chance.
So, so, are you saying, no, so, so?
Give us a clue.
Clearly we need a clue.
We need a clue.
To be prepared.
Say less, so, sor, sor, sor, sor, sorry, swag, sit, so, I'm, so.
That's not me.
I wasn't playing.
I wasn't ready.
We don't know that one.
What is it?
What?
Give us another hint.
The first word is stay.
Stay right.
Stay ready so you don't have to get ready.
So you don't have to get ready.
Oh.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's see.
How you just going to take it?
Uh-huh.
She's ah, ah.
That's it?
Zing, zing, zing.
Okay.
Okay, girl.
Stay ready so you don't have to get.
I wouldn't.
Le, le.
Leave me alone.
Let me alone.
LML is not leave me alone.
Very close.
Leave me.
Let me.
Let.
Let me.
Let me live.
Let me live.
Not leave me alone.
Let me live.
Her.
Her.
Her.
Right?
Her.
Okay.
Zing, zing, zing.
Nah her.
Un-ner.
Nah-ner.
Nah-ner.
Okay, next one.
D-S-T-S-S.
Don't start that shit show.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Don't come in here and don't start that shit show.
We just start that shit show.
Wait, wait, wait.
What is it?
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Start.
Don't.
Say.
Don't say.
Don't stop.
Don't.
Say.
Don't.
Stop.
Don't.
Say.
Don't.
Stop.
Don't.
Say.
Don't.
Stop.
Don't.
Don't.
Share.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Say.
Don't.
Share.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't.
Sister.
Okay, what about a clue?
That's my clue.
What's the clue?
Focus on the big picture.
That's.
The big picture.
Big picture.
Do you realize we've been drinking?
Yeah, margaritas and champagne.
I don't.
What is happening?
disaster don't sweat the small stuff don't sweat the small stuff
think about the big picture what the hell it don't even mean nothing don't sweat the small
don't sweat the small stuff no that's not right
are we ever gonna get this i don't know i feel like i'm less i feel like i know
less about what this is than when we started go
give me for you
get my
give me
for you
I don't know why I said it like that
get my
my for you
get go
get go
is it go
good motherfucking you
good great
good what is it
the clue is you gotta be kidding me
get the fuck out of here
get my fuck up
get
got
to be fucking kidding me
got me fucked up
yeah
we got that one together
got me fucked up
gmfu I can't wait to write that in the text
gmfu
very close though
what
what
what
do you have any idea what this says
yeah
you do
uh oh
uh
you gotta do it in your head
I'm working
I'm working here
gmfu
okay go
give us another one
I'm focused go
I
J P
you just pressed it on accident didn't you
you know what this is
yeah
what's it say
I just pretend
I
I'm just playing
I'm just playing
I just pretend
that's the proper way to say it guys
we
okay
come on
yes
listen I'm gonna fast forward
I'm gonna fast forward
I'm gonna fast forward
how did you know
hold on hold on
wait wait wait wait wait wait
oh
no
yeah
know
her
to
to know her
is to love her
hey
what do I win
huh
what do I win
you got I got a water balloon over here
with your name on it
here you go
that ain't what I win
no that's what you win
here we go
you ready
no I don't
you ready
are you ready
I love you so much
oh my goodness
this has been so much fun today
to know her
is
I didn't know this was gonna describe me
hello
it's true
it's true
to know her is to love her
that's a message for your butt right there
and it's true
am I right
am I right
give it up one time for Nishina and Smith
yes
I love my new last name
so thank you for saying it
come on now it's real
I'll drink to that
salute
shoot
listen get you a love in your life
like you got in your life
that's that on that
that's that on that
I love you
I love you right back
come on
uh huh
get this water balloon on you real quick
oh no
yeah no you done earned it
to know her is to
get her with a water balloon
that's what it should have said
hey
ha ha ha
bye
bye
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host emphasizes intentional living, setting clear energy boundaries, and curating personal spaces to protect one’s well-being.
Niecy Nash’s new show *All's Fair* follows a group of female attorneys navigating high-profile divorces while exploring personal and emotional dynamics.
A playful "Courtship Crimes" game explores relationship issues like financial sharing, openness, and trust, with the host advocating for mutual respect and honesty.
The conversation highlights the importance of self-ownership—especially in personal choices like career, relationships, and sexuality—without seeking permission from others.
The host shares a personal experience of emotional attraction to a long-time friend, emphasizing that attraction and love can emerge in unexpected ways.
A recurring theme is the need to break free from societal and cultural shame around Black women’s sexuality and autonomy.
The host promotes authenticity, self-trust, and emotional honesty in relationships, warning against judgment of others’ choices.
The narrative concludes with a celebration of self-expression, freedom, and the power of love that doesn’t require secrecy or approval.
Summary:
The conversation centers on personal authenticity, self-ownership, and emotional honesty in relationships and life choices. Host and guest discuss the importance of setting energy boundaries, curating personal spaces, and living with intention—especially in the face of societal expectations. A lighthearted "Courtship Crimes" game explores common relationship dynamics, such as financial equity, open relationships, and trust, with the emphasis on mutual respect and transparency.
The host shares a deeply personal story of developing feelings for a longtime friend, highlighting how attraction can emerge unexpectedly, especially in the absence of societal judgment. This experience reflects a broader theme: Black women are often denied full autonomy in their sexuality and personal choices, rooted in historical and cultural shame. The dialogue advocates for self-trust, emotional freedom, and living without seeking external permission.
The host celebrates personal growth, including career transitions and relationship decisions, emphasizing that true love and fulfillment come from authenticity. Through stories from her career and personal life—like her work on *All's Fair* and past relationships—she illustrates how self-discovery and courage lead to deeper connections. Ultimately, the message is one of liberation: to live boldly, express oneself fully, and trust one’s intuition, even when it feels unfamiliar or risky.
FAQs
She uses this phrase to express that she has been in long-term, often restrictive relationships since early in life, where she felt trapped and never given space to live independently or freely.
She maintains a curated, intentional environment by lighting Palo Santo, setting clear intentions like 'joy,' and only inviting select guests to preserve her energy and personal space.
It follows a group of women running a high-profile all-female divorce firm, blending professional drama with personal, emotional revelations about relationships and self-discovery.
She emphasizes that couples should discuss financial contributions in equal percentages, focusing on equity and shared responsibility rather than fixed dollar amounts.
She believes open relationships require clear communication, mutual consent, and honesty, and warns against secrecy or emotional manipulation, stressing that trust and boundaries are essential.
No, she argues that full phone access at all times is unnecessary and potentially damaging; if there’s trust, there’s nothing to hide, and she believes in mutual respect and privacy.
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