NICK WRIGHT Talks LeBron, Skip, Pundit Beef

You and Skip are the only smart people in the list. How's he doing? You check it out? I have not. Really? He and I. Listen, it's wrong. But that, one and a half million dollars. Like, for someone to say no, I won't have sex with you for a million and a half dollars. He's got it. That really has to hurt your feelings. Skip must be so, like, he's like, what's on that repulsive? A million, like, okay, would you have sex with your wife this year? I'm sure she would say go for a million and a half dollars, would you let Skip crack? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Would you tell him if it was on the table still? If Skip was like, all right, Nick, you're second, you're right, second. Would you be like, yeah, he would get you something so nice. A million and a half dollars, I would let him do whatever he wants to be. You're not going to be gay, the rest, I feel like it doesn't make you gay. It's me. Sorry. I'm on a rant right now. And I should be doing this on Fox Sports One. 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And guys, merch is also available, go to adamfreedland.show, check it out, hoodies, t-shirts, hats, whatever. I'm wearing one. Thank you. My guess this week is sports broadcaster and host of first things, first on FS1 The Goat. Nick Wright. For me, this is a big opportunity, both a debut and also a greatest hits album. I've been saving up these takes for 38 years in my whole life. And here I am to finally unleash them. So for a few short hours, I got to feel like some of my heroes, like, you know, Ski-Up, or Unk, or Big perk, or, you know, Ryan Rosillo, Cousin and Sal, Keith Oberman, yeah, Chuck Diesel, Roy Keane, Jimmy Johnson, Pat McAfee, and, you know, and let's not forget Joe Rogan, Chris Collinsworth. The Doris Burke, a girl called Cowherd, Pauss, Dan Patrick, Jimmy the Greek, Mike Francesca, Malika Andrews, Scott Van Pell, Matt Barnes, Steven Jackson, all the smoke, you know, the list, the list obviously goes on. 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We're all kind of exhausted right now. This is the third interview in three days. Then the mayor is coming on. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm MSM now, dude. I'm a mainstream. Yeah. I'm going to bring out a long way from the Comtown podcast, that's the same thing. But it's a smart rebrand. It's like two chains. And it's not deliberate at all. Well, Titty boy? Yeah, exactly. I think Titty boy's coming on. Oh, oh really? Are you a big tech nine head? Yeah. He's the guy of your city. Yeah, I like him a lot. And he's a really good dude. Is he, oh you know him from the celebrity, Kansas City? Well, yeah, I mean there's very, there's not a ton of folks that are like. Born and raised Kansas Cityans with like Nash. There's a bunch of people in the comedy world. Really? Stone Street. That never moves. Well, I don't know, you know, I think they moved, but I mean they're born and raised there. Like Paul Rudd, Stone Street, John Ham. Are you Casey K or Casey Moe? Casey Moe. Casey Moe. Yeah. Almost everyone you'd meet is Casey Moe. Do you, you fuck with Casey K? Yeah, it's more posh, right? No, it's the opposite. Oh, so here's. So this is what's going. Oh, I wouldn't. Kansas City, Kansas is a really tough area. Yeah, yeah. Because to me it all sounds terrible, it sounds, it sounds, I feel like they're all eating meat and just 900 pounds. Oh, wow. You went Kansas City to Houston? I went, I went. Kansas City to Houston, LA, New York. How are you so slim? You're so slim. You went to the, you went to some big places. I went to some big places. I mean, you went to the gastric bypass capital in America. Houston, yeah, yeah. Is that a factor? 600 pounds of life when, when ball is alone. Yeah, they're always, yeah, the guy's always like, "Please stop eating." And then they have to go home and they just can't, they can't stuff, they can't stuff. But yeah, so the. Sorry. No, you're fine. But no, the reason you thought Kansas City can just be more posh is, I don't know, anyone cares about this. There's a road in Kansas City, literally called "State Line Road," which is exactly what it sounds like. That sounds awesome. The Kansas, like, so if you are in Casey Moe, and you're and cross over into Kansas, it's mostly suburbs and stuff, but that's not Kansas. That's like places called Lee Wood and Overland Park. And so there's a part like-- - So the burbs in Kansas are nice. - Very nice. And fun fact, the state of Kansas, people are like, why is Kansas City in Missouri? Because the state of Kansas was named after the city of Kansas City. - Kansas City. - Kansas City, Missouri existed. - It's not pathetic. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And they've been in Kansas City after us. - Yeah, now they're trying to take the chiefs in the royals. They're trying to get the chiefs in the royals to move across state line. - Yeah. - Be a travesty. - To go to Kay. - So there's local rivalries there? - Oh, yeah. - You don't talk with the other guys? - Well, they-- - But you all put on for Pat, though. - Yes, yeah, yeah. - So that's where you make peace. - Well, the chiefs in the royals are everyone's, but for a lot of those folks went to local colleges. So MUKU and Kay State are like the local rivalries. - Jayhawks. - KU Jayhawks. - Yeah. - You're a ball-nower. - I love ball. - Yeah. - Footballer basketball. - With a goal. - At this point basketball, kind of the tuck game, kind of, I cried, 'cause I'm a Raiders fan. - Oh, yeah. - And it was a fair. And I remember-- - And we're the same age? - You're 38, you're 42. - I'm a 41, but yeah. - 41, sorry. - I know you're fine. - You don't look a day over here. - Thank you. - But, yeah, I thought it was really cute. Like, you were like a kid, the KC Kid. - Yeah, yeah. - The little-- - Nick, Nick. - Do you mean when I called him to the radio show? - The KC, Nick's, Nick's Kid. - Nick's Kid. - Yeah. - I called him to all the chiefs posted. - And you yell about Marty Shoddenheimer? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Andre Ryzen. - Yeah, that's right. - Andre Ryzen. - We're rivals. - We hate each other. - Oh, because you're a Raiders fan. - Yeah, you guys-- - I'm not anymore. - I'm not anymore. - I'm a, I literally grew up in Vegas too. I was born in LA and they grew up in Vegas. And-- - Very similar to my dad. - When they moved to Vegas, I stopped being a fan. It's just not real. - What do you, but they-- - Half of the stadium is traveling fans 'cause they want to go get fucked up. - Yeah, same with the LA and same with Chargers. - That's not, that's not an LA team. If you talk to the Mexicans in LA, there's still loyal to the Raiders. - Oh, yes. - 100%. - They're the most loyal people in the world. - The Raiders, well, the Raiders are like one of the biggest national brands. And large part, they're-- - In Mexico too. - Yes, that's what I was gonna say. And they're Latin fan bases, crazy. - It's Dallas and the Raiders. - Yeah. - America's team. - They should kind of like stop liking the Cowboys. If it's America's team, we've been pretty mean to Mexico for a while. - You know, I hadn't thought about that. The moral conundrum of being a Hispanic Cowboys fan. - It's straight. - Yeah, and honestly, you know, they should probably just embrace the Kansas City Chiefs. - I know a guy who has a-- he used to like help out with the show. He's attached to you on his ass. And it's a Dallas Cowboys star and a pal sunflower. And I was like, that's the only one in the world. That's the only one. And it's on his ass, too. - Why'd you fire him? - I didn't fire him. No, he was like a freelance kind of guy. - Why didn't you bring him back? - I don't know. He lives in Jersey. He's a great guy. I like him a lot. He's a documentarian. - He's a documentarian with a Cowboys tattoo on his ass. - He's not showing the people in the documentary's ass. - No, I got that, but it just seems like a high brow job. And maybe a-- - I don't know, you're saying he's stupid? - No, I'm not saying he's stupid. - A Jersey Cowboys fan has to be the worst kind of guy. - Well, so I agree. And I also now, when people, if I meet people and they don't know me, and they're like, oh, who's your team, I have to preface it with. I'm, well, I'm born and raised in Kansas City. Or else they'll think like, oh, your chief fan living in New York, you're just front-runner. - No one does that, though, even though you guys are good. No one does it. And you know that, you know that. - Well, we, we-- - They're just not, I don't know. - We took on, you know, all of the Swift Taylor Swift fans. - Yeah, yeah, it sucks. - Now you have to pretend it's not baby music? (laughing) Is it your fucking tight end? You have to think-- - I mean, I love Shake It Off. No, you want to see some guy get his head knocked off. - You're not there for fucking Shake It Off. I wish I could talk about this stuff on TV. - Why don't you? - I do long form a Jewish style late night talk. I don't know what the fuck was. The cute thing about the kid radio station, I was a very precautions kid myself. And when I was four, I think, I was at a part, like a parents party with my parents, and I would talk to parents. - Yeah, I do the same thing. People from the Raiders front office, and I was yelling at them, like, bad dream that they had a fiery art show. - So when I heard my dad say it, you know-- - When I was 10, I happened to, like, I was somewhere, and my, one of my mom's friends said, "Hey, that guy is the president of the Miami Dolphins." And I was like, "Palinger." - No, I think it was, I think it-- - What's his name? - I don't remember. - What is it? - Zangai Zangai Zangai. - Who was it at the time? - And-- - I walked over to him, and I was like, "I just wanna let you know." Hiring Jimmy Johnson's the greatest move you've ever made. - Fuck it, of course. - Right, like-- - Yeah, it's so, yeah, it's very similar to-- - Yeah, 10, you're like, "Yo, he's leaving the canes "and he's coming to the big list." - Well, no, he had just left the Cowboys. - Oh, he came after that, right? - Yeah, the Cowboys came after that. - Yeah, once Jerry and him fell out. - Dude, your wife likes to, like, these kind of car-- You have to be the most bored, unless you like it. - No, she's boring, is it? - My girlfriend says, "Oh, did your team lose?" And I have to be like, "Did my team lose?" And I'm like, "My feelings are hurt "because I care about, like, men with great bodies." I just, I realized as an adult, that we should have been wearing jerseys. - No, of course. I can't be wearing a man's name, I'm like-- - Yeah, I think there is-- - We came up with rules, actually, in the office. - Oh, can I hear 'em? - If you're, sorry, if you're white, you, not past 13, if you're, if you're, if you're black, like, do you, do your thing? (laughing) And if you're, no, and if you're Mexican, you know, come on, you're the real one. - You're the real one again. - So, I think-- - There's like a white guy can't wear a jersey past 13. - Here's the, there are, to me, a couple exceptions. I'm not a hockey fan. - A throwback fan. - I think hockey sweaters, just like look like an awesome outfit, almost. And I think baseball jerseys, two baseball games. - I never, I never, when my team's playing, I can't wear the jersey. I'm very superstitious. - Clearly. - I can't touch the jersey effect. - Really? - Yeah, and I'm primarily at this point into soccer. - Who's your team? - Who's your team? - Oh, I was gonna, just because they're in first place. - No, it's been 20 years of hell. - Oh, I mean, I, the, yeah, but right now, you're a fan, they're in first place. - No, you're, I'm just, I can't wait, it's in really a minute. - My buddy, uh, this is gonna sound cool. - It means so much and it's, it's ridiculous. - So, our, the guy who does stats for the TV show, this great kid named Josh. - He's a diehard arsenal fan. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He hasn't known like me. - The, I mean, I think he probably knows a lot. - The mayor knows both. - The, the mayor of New York City? - Yeah, it's Zora. - Oh, I would buy that. - I met him like before the election and he, we were talking about our worst, most humiliating losses over Arsenal. - For Arsenal? - Yeah. - It's his team Arsenal? - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - Who knows? - The, I play, I play cards with a guy. - Who is-- - Come on, you can't be talking about that. - What? - Hearts, dude. - Why can't I be talking about cards? - It's the biggest-- - Did he get a trouble? - I'm not, I play-- - I want to see you locked up. - I play in legal games. - You play it, what do you mean legal games? - So this wouldn't nobody understands about poker. If all of us in this room agreed to play in a card game, we could play for $10 a man. - But you don't want to play with us. - You would play with cool guys. - I understand, but just hear me out. - Or a million dollars a man. And that's totally legal. - I play you in a million dollars. - Yeah. - Okay, let's do it. - I'm gonna vanquish you as sports takes after this. - Okay, but no, the reason I was saying it this guy, he's the Dijard sports fan who lives in New York City has the two best court side knicksheets in the building, right next to Mike Brown now, not Tibido. And has a box at Arsenal that he just goes to for every home game. - The fuck, bro? - Yeah. I should introduce you guys. - This guy, I don't even like him, but he just knows at the same level and we talk every day about this. The amount that I care, like if my girlfriend knew she would like, she would leave me. - Do you, are you in a bad mood all week if they lose? - What happens is this. You get the games in the morning, right? And so it's like a Saturday morning, you're a little bit hungover. Your girlfriend's still in bed. And you go to the living room and you're sitting there and they just, they ruin you before your weekend story. - So the thing is, it's the hope that kills you. - So yeah, listen, I've been, obviously the Chiefs have been very good for the last half decade, this year has been tough. - Does it feel worse at each time? - Yes. - It doesn't feel each chip, each chip, like it doesn't hate it as heavy, right? - Oh yeah, nothing will ever match the first one. But being a football fan and having your team lose, it doesn't ruin your weekend, but like we're doing this on a Friday. - Yeah. - Yesterday was the first day that I was not in a depression based on the Chiefs Broncos game. like and like, who's the coolest guy to choose? the coolest guy on the chiefs? I mean, I'm buddies with Patrick, so I like, I would say him. Travis, Travis certainly had that mantle. Travis's, you know, Travis has become so famous, he has to be kind of more careful now. Yeah, yeah, he fell off, yeah. I didn't say he fell off. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. He asked me. By far, the coolest guy on your team is Andy. Well, he's not on the team. But, yeah, but there's, he's the coolest guy in that vicinity. Everyone else is a real dorkess. I mean it. Chris Jones pretty cool. I saw him at a restaurant, and it's one of the most massive people I've ever seen in my entire life. Did you see him? He's still 40 at the Combine? No, not at the restaurant with my parents. I understand, but this is funny for you. Oh, he just fell out. There you go, yeah, that's fine. I never miss a penis sports thing. I imagine that. When bronze dick came out, everyone, everyone relaxed. Everyone was chill about it. And when did that happen? Before a finals game. He was adjusting his shorts and we saw his dick. How do you not know? You're in the media. I did not know. You're in the fucking mainstream fake news media. Yeah. And I'm good. You didn't know that? He's your favorite guy. He is my favorite player. Are you like stoked? Are you stoked about it? Stoke 12, what? That there's a LeBron. Come on, bro. So you went in Fox 2016. Yes. How have you been in TV for nine years? Yeah. How have you enjoyed it? What's the vibe at Fox? Is it like more Republican sports? No, it's so it's soup. Listen, it is super siloed. Like the Fox sports were owned by the same people. But Fox sports is, I've never, I've been doing it for nine years. I'm pretty openly liberal guy. I've never had, I think one of my most famous things ever was right when the show started of some impassioned cavernic stuff. And I never-- How are you the only guy? How are you like one of the, it's like-- You want to know something? It's so bizarre to me. I'll tell you something. You just caught the easiest ones. What do you mean? I think he took a knee and he's like, just what the fuck did he do wrong? Of course. And then like LeBron James is the best basketball player. Oh, you mean, oh, that, yes. I just filled vacancies there where I'm like, they were just there. They were just there. Everyone. And then my hometown team becomes the greatest football team ever. I have become very lucky. Yeah, yeah. I'm very lucky that somehow-- How stupid are the other guys doing this? Well, that's, again, I love a lot of them. Really, they must be morons. I'm not going to say everyone's morons, but I will say that I eat is-- You and Skip are the only smart people in this. How's he doing? Are you checking him? I have not. Really? He and I-- Listen, it's wrong. Like for someone to say, no, I won't have sex with you for a million and a half dollars. He's got-- that really has to hurt your feelings. Skip must be so-- like, he's like, what's-- I'm that repulsive. A million-- like, okay. Would you have sex with-- your wife is here. I'm sure she would say go for a million and a half dollars. Would you let Skip crack? I'm sorry. I would-- but it must be-- listen, it's wrong. He shouldn't do that in a workplace. I'm not defending Skip, but walking away, he must be-- just-- he must be hurting. And I'm not saying you should check in, but maybe we should call him right now and see. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Would you tell him if it was all the tables still? If Skip was like, all right, Nick, you're second-- you're right second. A million and a half dollars? I would let him do whatever he wants to be. You're not going to be gay, the rest-- I feel like it doesn't make you gay. It's me-- sorry. And I should be doing this on Fox Sports 1. What about-- have you checked it on-- but this squad is having a lot of fun. So I've been-- I moved to New York. I got hired by Fox in 2016. Uh-huh. And then the show started in New York in 2017. So I never really was on campus with those guys. So there were colleagues, but I don't know unlike-- They must have been so funny to see them at the office. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would have-- Come on now, Skip. Do they have arguments? Dude, I mean, I'm saying it's just that they were box office for a while. It kind of-- they found something there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That show-- Skip and Shannon at its peak was one of the greatest sports television shows of all time. It was perfect. And it's just like, are there bad faith takes? Are some guys bullshitting? Some guys are 100%. Yeah, and you can tell. Skip doesn't think LeBron is that bad. No, see, I don't think Skip's bullshitting. Why does he hate LeBron? That, you know, that-- It's weird. That one is weird. It's like perverse, in fact. It's-- It makes sense that it's C-V-N-A-Y C-V-N-A-Z. You're C-V-N-A-C-V-N-A's mad that LeBron won't pay him attention. That's what it is. No, it's kind of maybe someone's-- Okay. Without naming names, does Mike-- does he have influence? Oh. Oh, you mean the fact that Stephen A and Mike are buddies. I feel like-- Yeah, of course. Obviously. Mike is at the crib North Carolina hitting Tukula. And he's like, "Go fuck with Bron a little more." Don't you think? A little bit. Yeah. He's been making his life hell for 22 years. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's-- I think there is-- I'm a Kobe fan, too. But it's so obvious to me. It is. And, well, I think there's a lot of-- I think there's a lot there, but I think you-- there are some of the most ardent, either, Bron critics, or MJ Syka fans, are also texting with MJ. I do think that's-- Okay, so for our audience, that's not familiar with what you do. How would you describe your job? I think we should-- Obviously, he's a sports putter. Yeah. I mean, I'm a-- What they call me an opinionist. I'm a sports talk show host. I'm one in when people-- Pundit? Pundit? I don't know. When people ask me-- I'm definitely not a journalist. Really well. When people-- Because I don't practice journalism. Oh, you don't snitch. No, that's-- No, I just don't-- I'm not out there, like, reporting on stories and stuff. Yeah. When people ask me what I do, I say I'm one of those people that argues about sports on TV. So say that's what-- I mean, it's such a-- In concept, it's such a funny concept, right? And I think it really comes with Mike, right? It comes with Mike at the Bad Dog. Yeah. I think they're the jettison of all this. 100%. In the loose concept of two men at a table, having a point counterpoint, like-- Let's do it. Let's do it. You really want to argue-- No, I kind of just started it too. I'm more interested in, like, how-- What the ecosystem is nowadays? Because I mean, like, OK. You came in nine years ago. Problems, what? It is 13th season? Yeah, I mean, I started at Fox three months before the three one come back against Golden State. And I looked around. And so, like-- The block? The three months before the block. And-- He's a smart guy. 25%. Right? 25% what? A smart-- oh, the-- Oh, change. Oh, dude. As a-- Business man, business man. Well, what would I be? My mom's grandfather was Jewish. Oh, yeah. So is that 25? I mean, you feeling the-- LeBron James is good at basketball vacancy. Well, so that's the-- That was the unbelievable thing. That was the unbelievable thing. Yeah. And he was-- Bronan and I are the same high school class. I came from-- Ken City doesn't have an NBA team. You said same high school class? Like, so there's a reason I'm saying this. Oh, hi, oh. No, I got it. Just listen to me for a second. You're right. Oh, man. So in-- No, but so in high school, me and my basketball teammates would watch the same Vincent St. Mary's games and they were on TV because they were so fucking cool. At some age. Right. This guy is our age. Crazy. And Ken City didn't have a team. Yeah. So I was just like, you know what? That guy goes, that's going to be my team. There was no high school basketball. Ken City? No, he didn't have an NBA team. Oh, OK. And so I was like, that's good. I didn't have-- I was unaffiliated from NBA fans. Yeah. So LeBron was always my favorite player. And then I get on national TV and everyone is-- the argument people are having is, one day will he pass Michael Jordan. And that's like as far as anyone will go. Like the third rail was he might one day be able to be as good as him. And then I was on TV during the 3-1 comeback. The greatest 3-game stretch in the history of sport. 4-1-16 and 7-4-1-8 and 11. And then 29-point triple double with the greatest offense to play ever. Oh, yeah. And the next day on TV, I said, he just passed him. It's over. The block was his moment in his career. Yeah. It was his moment. And he's-- I mean, that was just-- Jordan had the shot, right, over a bright wrestle. Yeah. That's like kind of their-- Yeah, they each have their moments. Luckily, Bronz didn't have to push off. But-- Yeah, they're playing against truck drivers. And so one thing-- I mean, it's a little overstated. They're so good right now. They're certainly-- They're so good. They're so much better than previous errors. But everybody, you just playing the error you're in. But to your point, it was remarkable that that corner was unguarded. That like, hey, just say the guy who's obviously the greatest player ever is the greatest player ever. And I became famous for it. So why? I think-- Why is it everyone little broad guy? Right? I think because people are-- I think there's a lot of-- a lot of the most influential-- media folks, a lot of their legacies are tied to the Jordan aerobols and so they are very protective of that. - We watched that as kids. - Yeah, but we were very young. It's like what's your favorite music? - Pretty much eclectic. - For a lot of people, their favorite song is like the first, one of the first songs they listen to the first time they were driving their own car. And I think there's a lot of media folks that the greatest era of sports is the era when I broke into sports broadcasting that was going on. - But they're all from Boston. - It doesn't compute. - Yeah, but so there's obviously a nostalgia factor, but like also there might just be, there might be like, do you think the media has elevated this like goat debate, right? - Well I think I have, but like people like, do you think, to some extent you've kind of been lucky that like LeBron is like, you know, like you're doing the right thing. I'm not saying like you're, this is like disingenuous, but you've benefited from like LeBron getting pummeled, you know, 100%. The fact that it is, the fact that it was controversial to say the greatest high, the greatest prospect ever who has played the, has all of the youngest ever-do records and oldest ever-do records who has every record imaginable that it's still controversial to be like, he's the best, has been hugely beneficial for me. It would be-- - But why is it uniformly, it was like, no, I mean there are guys that weren't like, the, the nostalgic for the Bull's Championship. - Like is it, is it personality-driven? - Yeah, I mean I think that-- - So here's, again, this might be two inside sports for your viewers. - No, no, I know. - So I have a theory that if Jordan never-- - I have a lot of theories. - If Jordan never existed, and the greatest play, the universally accepted greatest player of all time was Kareem, 'cause that's who it would have been. - I know what you're gonna say. Jordan never existed, not a lot of it, what did it-- - Yeah, right. - Ah, then a guy like Tim Duncan would be in the goat debate, because what people turned the goat debate into was not who's the greatest player ever. It's who reminds me of Michael Jordan the most, which is why Kobe is probably a touch, a touch historically overrated, because he is the most similar to Michael Jordan. - Not today, say it. - But I'm just, like if magic was considered the goat, then no one would argue that LeBron was, 'cause LeBron is a better magic. But because Mike was considered the goat, people elevated Kobe past a guy like Tim Duncan who was just objectively better than him. - They said one B, that's right. - Exactly, and that's crazy. - So you're saying that he benefited from Michael-- - I'm saying that instead of the argument being-- - Right, right, instead of the question being who's the greatest basketball player of all time, people asked that question, but they were really asking is who's the most similar to Michael Jordan, and those are not the same thing. - Yeah, I agree. I just think that, I think Tim didn't like carry-- - He didn't have the aura, or the chromatine. - He didn't like, he had good players, he had Manu, and he had to-- - Oh yeah, Kobe only had Shaquille O'Neal. - Kobe, like the second two, or like the second one. - Right, but what hurts, again, what hurts Kobe is the three years in the middle of his prime when he missed the playoffs or lost him around one, smack dab in the middle of his prime. - With who, Andrew Biden? - Well, that's the thing, but in the NBA, like you're supposed to, you know, just carry guys. - He was left alone, and he was, listen, here's the thing I brought, okay? Like he is the beta tester for like a new type of superstar at the NBA, right? Like Jordan-Marketed sneakers, right? Now they have to also market themselves as human beings, right? And to, let's be Christian for a second. 100%, 25%. But I'm still living that with a Christian, right? Obviously, the first guy to have to do it is gonna be a clumsy adjustment, right? - Sure. - And I don't think that's afforded to LeBron enough, right? And I do think that like the decision was potentially the first kind of brick, right, in the social media era. And I think that one year he just had a rough one because when he lost the maps, he just said, "If you don't like me, you're poor." And like, he did that thing, and it's just like, - It's the only real, that press conference after that finals lost in a 25 years in the public eye, it's the only on indefensible misstep. - When he picked up the purse, he had the suit with shorts. - Well that, I'm also a UTA clutch sports, we're family, I love you. LeBron, I'm so happy you're back. - Anyway, he actually, shorts the suit in this place. - That was right before the 3-1 comeback. That was the same, I know. But he was like, he was like being an honest man. - Yeah, the Tom Ford suits would have been better had they one day. - The worst was the shutter shades, Miami, Miami, and like the fake, the nerd glasses, the D-Wade LeBron. - Oh yeah. - I just think that like, LeBron was beloved. We all knew that he was so good. We all knew that those fucking Cavs teams were do-do cheeks, right? And like, I don't think he would have been blamed for leaving, right? Potentially if he went to the nicks, I think, and did the decision like that, no one would have cared. But there was something about the not two, not three, not four, which is like, he's still like, he's adjusting to a pressure that no one's ever applied to. - Yeah, I listened, and I think that, but that's the remarkable thing about the guy's career, is like the thing in Miami or against Alice happened. And for you're asking, that was a sick team. - Yeah, that Dirk Red was awesome. - Oh, it's entirely the, he lost a J.J. Baray. I mean, there's a little one. - We lost to Dirk Navitsky. - J.J. Baray was pretty much the, yeah. - I know that's what the myth is, but it's not true at all. - They say it is a me, I think it's not true. But that, no, the folks, to answer your question of why it's controversial, to say he's the greatest, a lot of people decided in that moment, he's inaligable. He'll never be able to overcome it. That was 14 years, nine finals appearances and four championships ago. - You have his like number, or like, do you like to text? - No, has he ever said you selfie, or? - No. - Has he ever liked Instagram? - I have a good relationship with him, but I don't think. - I mean, you put it on for him. Has he said thank you ever actually? - Oh yeah, yeah, he should, as well he should. But like, what I'm saying is this, is like, it is a ridiculous standard to hold him to. But what I think is, I don't know, if you get his number, just text him, just be yourself. You're the best basketball player ever. I think at this point his career is. - What is the decision for a fucking majesty? It's just like, come on dude, like, don't fuck it up. - Anybody that was tricked by that fucking Hennessey Priad is a moron. - Why? - Because anybody that thought, that anybody that thought, LeBron was going to announce his retirement at a noon on a Tuesday online. - Yeah. - What do you say, the USSR, the state media? That makes no sense. - What do you mean? - Tuesday is not a retirement day. - What does that even mean? - I'll tell you exactly what it is. - And anyone that thinks that Tuesday is a retirement day. - Anybody that thought, that LeBron has been sent, it's not bizarre at all. - No, it's just, he's 41 and we're like, how much longer is he going to go? He's the best basketball player ever. - And he wondering whether or not he might retire does not make you an idiot. Thinking it's going to be one day notice, and I'm going to do it in the middle of a week, middle of a workday, as opposed to a major event in prime time. - I don't know. - Doesn't know how the guys, so I guess I'm calling you an idiot. - So he's never retired on a Tuesday before? - He's not going to retire on a noon on a Tuesday online. - Who do they-- - Anybody with a-- - Literally 99.9% of people don't know that. You're putting it off for your boy. - I'm not putting it off for my boy. - It's just not the, it's just not the boy. - Let me ask you this, how do you think he will announce I'm going to retire? - I will, okay. He probably do, the Kobe year was like the video tributes and it was a really good game. - For me, that was the worst year. But, and then it was the best sports game I've ever seen in my entire life at the end. - At the 60 point. - It was just the most, I was weeping. Like I call my dad weeping, and it was kind of like also, just, sorry, that gets stuck on Kobe, but all of the fucking math nerds that were like, he's inefficient, he just, no one saw an inefficient shooting performance for like a 13 win team. They saw a god, they saw like, - Somebody that we thought we'd never see again, and then he came back for one channeled it. - It's one of the greatest sports performances ever. - I think it is the best sports game. I, yeah, I think-- - You can just say a game. - What, you don't have to say sports game. - Well, there are other types of games. Like, girls, play games, you know? - I understand why, but even if we included that, or do any of those trumpet, or is it, is it your, the best game you're ever seen? - Yeah, it's on me in terms of sports game. - No. - I'm saying it in a nerd way because that's how I do the interview. - Okay, but going back to like, like, it's just like, he doesn't need, he doesn't need to do that just to protect himself, right? He's like, he's already the best basketball player ever, and I do think, it's like, it's similar to KD, right? He's a, he's a, that is a basketball angel. That is a savant. There's an offensive savant, and we got to watch him, and he's the The burner accounts indicated that like the boys are going into the comments. The boys are checking Reddit. And it's like, um, it's really depressing for me because I'm like, you know, if I had like, uh, let's say a hundred million dollars, like, I wouldn't give a fuck about it. I'd disappear, right? I don't use that. And though the bad seven, maybe you wouldn't. The fact that the people who have it don't make, doesn't make you doubt whether or not if you had it. I'm not judging him for it. I think that it's just like, um, it just indicates a vulnerability and insecurity, but it's like, bro, like you're the best. You literally are the best. Yeah. And I think the goat debate being, uh, perpetuated has, uh, has kind of, uh, kind of perhaps like influence that, you know, like people say that he's not the best basketball player. When he's 41, and he was he 24, six and six last year. Sixth and MVP voting. Second team all NBA in year 22. It's unbelievable. 24, six and six. Yeah. That's right. At 41. At 41. And he was, uh, he was like, yeah, no, I'd listen. It's nobody ever seen. He hears the thing. Yeah. Yeah. It will people in 40 years, uh, won't believe that it wasn't arguing. That it was like people will think no, and so the, that part is unequivocally true that this is going to age as you got to be kidding me. People argued for someone else like, and it's like, it's like a madman where they're at a picnic and then they just shake out all their garbage into a field and you're like, oh, they didn't have littering in fact. You know what I mean? That's the only prestige great show that I've never seen. It's not good. It's just fashion. No, it's good. My wife owns a women's boutique and is a style professional stylist. Do you dress him? Yes. Give it up for her. You are, he's a peacock, you have the best, you have some of the best, uh, I think that, I think in a debate, I think you dressed like, uh, like, I don't know, peaky blinders kind of like, yeah, like Atlanta church peaky blinders. Yeah. Is that? I'm sorry. Yeah. You just, it's a powerful move. You're like a sharp, please. Well, I try. Listen, there is, I do not have a trick, a face for traditional TV. 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Sometimes it's like, this, you know, pundit, it says this about that pundit. People for some reason love that shit. It's like, streamers. Does it feel trashy sometimes? Yeah. I think you have to walk a fine line on what you want to, you know, how seriously you want to be taken. I think you should go all in on it. The Steve and A fucking win-tours LeBron thing was just, it felt like fly. It was, I was locked in on that. Right. It was yellow, journalist. I mean, like, and I, listen, I don't, I think Wendy is in a separate category. I think Wendy is one of the most respected guys in the, in the business. Well, when Brond did that, I thought what Brond did. Did you say that there was what? That was it. Did you? That's me. I thought Brond taking that shot at Wendy was unnecessary. Yeah. I think the, I think everything he just said about is like, you don't have to say it. This guy went to your high school or something. Yeah, that, and he covered him. And he covered him. And you the liar. And then like, you know, he thinks you're awesome and he's like, he's been like put, like he's been like a, celebrating you for 20 years. Yeah. I thought that one was weird. I thought he could have gone harder at Steve and A. But yeah, well first of all okay just out of basic moral level if some guys shitting on your son constantly and he's a two-way player and that he's getting mentioned more than a foot the fucking MVP like SVA like he's a dad he's gonna be like shut the fuck up but it also but it wasn't it was that's he's entirely within his race of course yeah it's also that whole thing was all of it was in my opinion misleading what Bronn was so upset about was when Stephen A flipped it from criticizing Bronnie the player too criticizing Bronn the father when he's like I'm pleading with you as a father that's not the right thing the being the dad protecting the son is better that I understand but I but it is what it is don't don't don't attack me is that's rough either way he's just he's a two-way player he's in the G-League half the South Bay Lakers and they're just like it's because it's Bronn's son and he's just getting all this fucking attention and plus he's a real one kind of for going to LA can you imagine being on a team with your dad it'd be so annoying my dad would be fucking like it just I would go to Phoenix get blowjob after blowjob I wouldn't go on the team with my dad that sucks he's a real one for actually doing it I mean it I mean that yeah he's like I'm gonna yeah my dad's gonna like if I miss something a shot like my dad's gonna be like it's annoying and your dad's the best basketball player well that's the other that's the other top part good on broughty but beyond that it was the first time I what I didn't I think it was like the beginning of the administration is the first time I just didn't think of Trump and Elon for a week I got a vacation because of Bronn Stephen A stuff well because like LeBron takes charge with you and they're like that's peculiar and then then Stephen A okay first off he's at like like and if you and if you touch me I will have no choice but to put a hairs on you who you who seriously that's the part that was who you're taking in that well I mean that's I mean it was such an insane statement it was and then like it was like it's it's he's six eight six eight the greatest athlete I'm all talking about that all of it and then wouldn't and then and then Stephen A wouldn't stop talking about it he talked about it again right before the season started the funeral thing is a little bit my fault it's your fault yeah how I told Pablo I met him at a the the Nets game with right after we got Luka the Lakers were in town then we were at a bar and I was like I was like why why wasn't LeBron at the memorial and he's like he was and I was like I don't we didn't see him right and then he was like yeah well his daughter was being born that day and then that happened and right before that happened he texted me he's like I've talked to like 25 people this is my white whale and so you're the genesis of that story I told my dad he's like you fucked up our playoff run I just like I wanted to know where he was the other thing is this these two guys were like not nice to him can you imagine Brown wore 23 he wore 23 and this guy's being a dickhead to him forever forever Jordan's relationship with Brown is really fascinating yeah do you think that Kobe and MJ thought it was soft that he has friends really they were two guys like as a man you should have friends I mean I am thought about it that way but the maybe yeah the other thing was this is like Brown was dipped into the river sticks like God gave us that human being like those two guys had to become sociopaths to like achieve their greatness and like there was a there was a there was a dissimilarity I think well yeah I mean listen the Kobe's path is Jordan's path and with the exception of like obviously Kobe's dad obviously played in the NBA obviously all these guys have a little bit of Jordan's that play it not in the NBA oh that's why I said exception I'm gonna get killed and bronze path I would say is closer to magics as far as Brown's like his webbies of he's a freak of nature yeah yeah like maybe that's a better yeah I think yeah yeah I mean I think he was he's 18 years old he was already built for the NBA yeah by at 20 years the best player in the league yeah I remember I was second in the MVP voting is MVP voting is just suck up like you just try to vote try to suck up to I don't I don't have vote I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I should vote I'm sure when Brown was 20 and Kobe missed the playoffs because he didn't have enough players you still thought Kobe was better and the next and then that was that go to 81 the yeah that yes I mean or that that era and then the next year and I was a broad that year when you were you know crying about Sasha blue your church and Brown was taken Delante West the NBA he's the machine the the machine the the eyebrows yeah blue your church was good the thing is this like I'm a Kobe fan but I accept that LeBron is the goat right and when we one in the bubble which is by the way was the the toughest championship correct right and the fact that they had home court and they were the team that didn't get to use it there's no home oh exactly that my point is they had earned home court and then it nobody got home court and like it's just it from what I understand like it was draining I mean we saw Jimmy that say that gave you just one single handily well no I mean teams the the Clippers fell apart the Nuggets fell apart you saw the A.D. hit the shot the oh I'm sorry the Nuggets didn't fall apart the um the Clippers fell apart against the Nuggets I can't believe the Clippers fell apart but I cannot believe it's one of the greatest that and do you know you know that the fucking thunder have the Clippers draft pick this coming year yeah it might be the fourth pick of the draft how do they know she was good man I don't know I mean everybody thought he was like oh he's he's better than expected nobody thought this yeah nobody in the world thought this was possible yeah comparing it to the to the loop of trade is crazy oh no no the loop of trade was just uh Israel yeah no that was Mary Bales and it goes all the way to the top it's that is one of the sports that that is that is one of the most frustrating conspiracies is that the it's for the Casito yeah that is for the casino to move them to or to move it to Vegas when it was very very simple uh Niko Harrison did not like that there was someone more powerful than him in the organization so he fucking she had a bad attitude he's a fat boy yeah but I mean I don't even think that I think those were his excuses when it reality was he was like as long as Luke is here yeah I won't really be in charge he won't be he sold it as a win now he sold it as one now in the 80s and now they're gonna trade 80 I love him Anthony Davis I yeah in the bubble honestly when we won I had this thought to myself doesn't feel the same and it kind of did it because the Lakers I like I kind of liked like Javail and Dwight they were fun yeah but it was a mercenary kind of team and I kind of thought to myself like does it feel like you know we had all these like kids that we we threw them away for for 80 I was so happy for 80 like when he was like cry you could tell it meant so much to him and I think they were wanting in the next year Brandon get hurt the problem was that they started the season three weeks later and the organization should have protected their two assets their two biggest assets they should have sat out the first half that's yeah but I mean they were they they had the best record in the west when Solomon Hill did the cartwheel into LeBron's ankle and there was that and then AD also would well yeah but AD's gone down every year of his career except for the champion really are you being smart ass I don't know I don't know dude I feel bad for that guy he seemed like do you remember Kentucky during that tournament yeah I just remember I was like that this guy is just an absolute comprehensive monster yeah yeah the I think he's I think the best process I you could argue that from Braun to Wimbee yeah in that time frame the single best prospect was Anthony Davis yeah well you're 40 year thing I have a counterpoint sure they're not going to care about Braun MJ because of Wimbee yeah I don't think he gets there why because every single player in the history of the league that's seven five or taller has just had terrible bodies different really it's yeah he's not what's he doing right now he's not thick he's not like Greg Otis I yeah but neither was I mean who's your favorite mod is Ralph same who do you think has the best body I don't all the guys I don't know really I don't know probably Dwight right Dwight probably yeah Dwight's like a bodybuilder yeah yeah but but I just don't think Wimbee will stay healthy sadly and so far that's interesting did Dwight did Dwight get kind of like blacklisted a little bit I don't think so after that this that's stuff what now we're due it's delivery gossip we are now doing but he was good still I mean he wasn't that good at that point he played a long time Dwight played a long time was it after the championship with how many who did where do you go after 2020 I think he went to China I don't I think he played with one other year that he was like big and strong well yeah that team that team had a lot of it was the they were built like um what's the best comp for that the football team no the they were kind of shows is like the O8 Celtics, like just a lot of lengths. - I don't like Celtics either, but I just think. - That team also is just, do you think, how did you compare the current era to dead ball? Like, do you think that those competitive, is their competitive parity there? - What do you mean? - 'Cause like everyone that played against Kobe, the impressive thing about Broad is that he transitioned between airs and multiple airs. - Yeah, but like now it's just like, Steve Kerr, like, woked the league. - You think it is, it's wokeness. - What do you mean? - The three ball. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - You think it's just utter wokeness. - I don't, I don't know. - But like that era, whereas like 87, 83, and like those like a Laker Celtics finals. - Sure. - Was that more difficult? - Well, I think the rule changes. - I think that, I think that they, it just totally changed the way the sports played. I don't know if one's more difficult than the other. - You're just trying to figure out a way to compliment LeBron. - No, I'm not, by that answer. - I'm not, I just, so like the 80s were, prior to the 20, no, prior to the 2020s, the 80s were the highest scoring decade of the last 50 years. And then the 90s were the lowest scoring. Because, and it's all be, it's not, same guys in the 80s and 90s, it's just the rule changes. - Yeah, oh my god, am I sure it's dirty? - My girlfriend's out of town right now. - Dude, how long have you been with your girlfriend? - Five and a half years, fiancee. - I was gonna say, yeah, it's about time. - Yeah, if it's five and a half years. - Fabulous. - How'd you propose? - Oh, I bricked it, so bad. How'd you do it? - Oh my god. Okay, I was in, so, we got together a new year's five, it was gonna be our five year anniversary. - So this is, I'm just 10 months ago. - Does he come up with like plans, like romantic plans? - Yeah. - Yeah, he definitely does. Look how romantic of a guy this is. I'm a mess of a guy. So yeah, she was going to Mexico City to see a friend, I said, she's like, do you want to come? And so then, her friend was like-- - So it's New Year's Eve. - Yeah, her friend was my man. - Don't be the first person to ever propose on New Year's Eve. - Dude, I don't fucking know what-- - Go ahead, I want to hear. - God damn it, dude. - I want to hear. - What did he do? - She hated it. - She hated it? - Yeah, no, she, but it was, it was, she hated it. - It was a great plan. - Okay, fine. - But go ahead. - How can I not fucking up, right? And so I told her friend, I was like, we'll just do like 10, 9, 8, 7, kiss, and then I'll hand her, right? Simple. Like, no way I could fucking up. And then that night, my inside man was like, weighs like trash by like 9.30. Then the girls were like, let's make a move. And then so I had to, and they're like, you're getting directions and I'm like, oh God. And I was like, and then we show up at a place at like 11, no one's there, it's completely empty. And then I was like, you have to find a fucking, and also I ran my mouth to like too many people. So my phone buzz, buzz, buzz. Like, her brother hit me up and he's like, you guys should be fucking sus dude. Like, he's like, I know it's going down. I want, like, let me see pigs. My family was convinced that I didn't want to include them in this special moment of my life. 25%. That's, that's how they act. But like, yeah. So then I was like, I told her friend, who also, she laughs when she's nervous. So I was like, why are you laughing at me? And then I was like, you have to find a fucking party. I was like, this is my life. And then, so then she found a party and we went to Uber and dropped us off and then I looked and I was like, where is it? And she's like, it's here and it was a hospital. It dropped us off at a hospital and then like, we found this place where she was invited. And then it was like eight people around a coffee table. And then I was like, I'm not gonna get a fucking proposed here. And then some guy, I was like, yeah, the last episode was fire and I was like, I'm not gonna propose it for these people. And then like, all night, we were trying to find a place and it was like, I was acting bad. She was like, why have you had such a bad attitude to new years? And I'm like, I'm great. I feel great. And then finally, like 3 a.m. we found a place. And it was great. And then there was like, people were, they were playing like Kumbia or whatever. It was just looked fun, right? And so I get padded down and then it was cold. You know how they get cold? Sorry, I apologize, those were rude of me. You know how they fucking, they're always cold? Yeah. So she was wearing my jacket and then she got padded down and then like the ring was in the eight or pocket and they pulled it out. And then I've been so badly behaved that I was like, do you, and she was like, and then she said something so sweet. She said something so sweet. I can't believe I'm telling Nick Rhythism. It's kind of love you, dude. Thanks. And she said something so sweet, but like literally like it was so immasculating. Like my penis went in my body. She was like, she said, well, it didn't work out tonight, but like maybe another time. And I was like, yeah, but maybe another time. And then like, yeah. And then the whole next day I was like trying, for the first time in my life, you know that like men, they're supposed to, like if you feel terrible about something, you're supposed to not mention it. Yeah, I'm not, it was the first time I've ever done that. Yeah, you just, I let my phone die. There was like 50 mistext because I ran my dumb ass mouth to everyone and then at the end of the day, I was like, I feel terrible all day. And she's like, why do you just fucking ask me? And I was like, I thought I could do a plan, like just one fucking plan for the first time, my fucking life. She's like, no, like you're terrible with plans. That's why I make all the plans. You call me a micro manager, but you're incapable of plans. That's why you're lucky to be with me. And I was like, you're right, that's so us. And she was like, and then she was like, she's like, why don't you just fucking ask me? And I was like, really? She was like, yeah, you think I would have liked that? And I was like, it sounded good. I thought girls would like that kind of thing. And she was like, no, she's like, I don't have, like, I'm not like a dumb bitch. (laughing) So then I was like, what are you doing? And then she took it and then I was weeping. Is she sick reading them? It's like my late mother's, and it's like great, great grandmother, great grandmother's. Yeah, from back of the day. That's awesome. Well, yeah, yeah. And I was crying. She was like, why would you be so dramatic? I was like, you were crying? Yeah, so much. Yeah, you cried too. I didn't cry. Have you ever cried at sports? Uh, you went. And not when you got a gift you were greeted over here? I didn't cry. No, I didn't cry. I cried a lot. I cried the first Lakers' chip with Shackin' Kobe, 'cause I'd never seen a team of mine with, yeah. I remember I was peeing. Notice how you said Shack's name first. Um, but uh. What the fuck? (laughing) All right, let's do this dumb thing. What's the 10? What's your 10? What's my 10? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Players ever? Yeah, you go and do. We're just talking hoop. But I'm worried. Okay, that's fine. In order? In order, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Broncreme, Jordan, Magic, Russell Wilt, Dunkin' Kobe. Why Russell Wilt? 'Cause of the chips. I mean, he owned him repeatedly. Yeah, but then you're playing it to the. LeBubb, uh, argument that the chips matter. Well, they were head to head and it's 11 to two. Yeah, but that guy was having so much sex. He was probably tired. Uh, uh, uh, uh. And then, so by that math, how many did I just name? Robert Ores, the second best player, though. No. Yeah. Again, if you're gonna know. Who else is up there randomly? Randomly up there that I have higher than others? Bill Rutton, I'm saying championship. Oh, I mean, Russell's teammates. Yeah, yeah. Have a little check. Yeah. And. It wasn't basketball, dude. Do you see what they're doing there? Yeah. I understand, but what do you want them to do? I'm just saying, like. We can't pretend like they didn't. Dottay, Diven Chenzone just murders everyone there. That was a good pull, actually. Dottay, Diven Chenzone was a good one. Are you just saying it because also he'd be a lot of play 'cause he was white? Well, they let in Boston. They let Bill. Yeah, but there's limitations on how many black eyes you could have. Uh, well, beyond that, it was a racist day. Oh, yeah. Oh, horror. Kyrie? They're still about that. It's a well-earned reputation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The greed ahead. But then. And then, so then after. - Where's Kobe? - After? - What about Kobe? - Fuck it, yeah. - Braun, Cream, Michael, Magic, Russell, Wilton, Duncan, Kobe. - So Kobe's eight, Birds nine, and then 10, 11, 12 gets hard, because it's Shaq, Akeem, Joker, and Steph are all-- - You hate Joker, though. - You don't like him. - No, I just didn't believe in him. I was just late to the party. I was wrong about him. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's all. - Yeah, that's all. - What is it like, we argue about sports people. Just like someone not knowing the future. - Yeah, it's like you hate him. - Like who cared? - Yeah, you were like, yeah, Nikola Yokich was a fat guy from the Balkans, and he ended up being incredible. - One of the greatest players of all time. - How are you supposed to know? But although you Caleb Williams, you said before you ever played, you were like, he will play in the Super Bowl this year. - Yeah, I picked him. - That's a what. - That's a whiff. - That's a whiff. - Did you really-- - Now, in my-- - Was your blood quacking through your veins? - In my defense. - You're like, I said-- - I have a new boy. - So let me ask you this. - I'm fire you. So I predicted that Caleb Williams, as a rookie, would play in the Super Bowl. - Is he good? - That, he announced-- - I think he'll polish. That's what I know. - Yeah, his mom's a nail tech. It's like a bottom thing. - It's cool, it's cool, yeah. - People are rude to him about it though. - No, yeah. People are-- - I can't. - That apartment is totally agreeable. - Yeah, people think he's too effeminate. - I don't think that fucking- - Well they do that to the Sixers guy too, Jared. - Oh yeah, the TikTokers. - But he does TikTokers. And that is where I draw the line, just stop it. - Well that just seems childish. - Yeah, why does he do that? - His TikToks just seem very childish, but I mean he's a kid. - A boy's brother, he loves TikTok also. - Oh I know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You think that's why he gets crap? 'Cause it's not because, obviously, what's the argument? You're like, my home's is really good. What is the argument that you're getting back there? - Oh, I mean it's all bullshit. - It's 'cause he, what, he talks like a curb at the frog. - No, I mean it's just one too much. - And so- - Does that make him good? - No of course, but I'm saying because of that he has a lot of people that don't like him. - So you just talk to people that are like 35 IQ all day long about sports? (laughs) - No, I think the reason the TV show- - The review is good is because the brew and wilds are both really sharp guys. But to your point earlier, like the barrier for entry of being like a smart sports TV guy is not very high. - I'm jealous, I mean I'm not even a LeBron stand, but if I could have seen that there was a vacancy there. - You would have jumped on. - I mean it's brilliant business. (laughs) I appreciate it. And yeah, the, I mean the things I'm most known for are being big supporters of the guy, the two guys who are gonna go down in the greatest in the history of their sports in the homes of the frog. - You think he's better than Brady? - Yeah I do. - Right, why is that? - Because he was great, he was individually great immediately and Tom wasn't. And-- - Oh what he was, he came in for Drew blesses. - Right, but Tom, so Tom was considered those first, you remember, everybody thought Peyton Manning's the better quarterback, but Tom Brady's clutch for like the first decade. And it wasn't really until Brady got moths and they had those crazy stats. My home's one league MVP is first year as a starter. So he was, and he's always, and he's won amazingly at a higher level than Brady through the limited time. - And he went to that party too with the, and they had Chase Mokers, DJ Khaled. - Can we see that clip? - No. - So funny, I'll show you. - Okay. He's like yeah, we went to a hotel, we were party, they had Chase Mokers, DJ Khaled, yeah, dude. (laughs) He's awesome. I mean, what, but like-- - People like-- - Start it off, they ask you to do a nice party for us at the hotel, the Chase Mokers came through, DJ Khaled is the guy that I'm spoon, man, and the sound's on, but he's got a mushroom. - No way. Oh yeah, it's talking about the spirit of our tour. Three whole pigs, fucking shit loads. - Chase Mokers came through, DJ Khaled. That's your boy, dude. Tell him I'm nice. - I will. - Party for us at the hotel. - Tell him I'm nice. But well, Texan, Adam Friedland is nice. - I'm kind of like, I will tell you after the show, but I kind of have ever involved with the Kelsey thing. - Oh, so tell us now. - No, they know, the audience knows. - Oh, okay. - But, yeah. Taylor Swift and I have been through a lot. We're really fine right now, yeah. - Am I supposed to know, should I've done my research on this? - No, it's boring. It's like, some guy came on my podcast. I was dating Taylor Swift and then-- - Oh. - Yeah, then, my friend said, "Someone mentioned ice spicy." And he said, "Is that the Eskimo Spice Girl?" 'Cause it's ice. - Yeah. - They said it was insensitive to the Eskimo Spice Girl or whatever. - Really? - Yeah, it was like kind of a, and then like-- - I miss a lot of the internet that you see. - No, I am not online at all. Dude, I miss that Ronaldo was at the White House yesterday. - I don't believe that you're not online at all, bro. - Dude, I'm here working on this, on this brilliant show. - You just said you've worked three days in a row and you're exhausted. You can't be working that fucking much. - The interviews in a row, 'cause I grind on them. Not for this one, 'cause this is light work. All right, all right. This is light work, dude. I can do this if I wanted to, but wait, let me, let me, let me, I wanna, I wanna, let's do a segment, right? Lightning round, right? - Lightning round. - You're gonna get, like, let's say, five seconds to argue back. - Five seconds? - Okay. - All right, sure. - And then, okay. Offensive linemen shouldn't be on TV as pundits. I don't care what Jeff Saturday thinks about something. If you don't get T.D.'s or sacks, just, like, get off the screen, and also, like, we don't know what you look like. - That's your take? - Yeah, they should, I don't wanna see them. - You absolutely need them, because, okay. - Okay. They should go back to business suits, the coaches. - I love that take, I agree. - Yeah, they, they look like they're, they're like a, at a key a finance event, like, - NBA coaches. - NBA coaches should wear suits. - Yeah. - I have 100% agree. - Yeah. And baseball coaches wearing the-- - The uniforms is the dopest thing of all time. - You love it? - Oh, it's hilarious. See, dogs, embers, fat ass, like, - I think one day a year, the other sports should do the same thing. - Suits? - No. - What? - Wearing uniforms. - The coaches, like, the NFL-- - They're not going to take touches, yeah, one day a year. - Yeah, I guess JJ would look fine. So, if David Stern were Commissioner, Pablo would be dead. (laughing) What do you think about that? - Okay. - Agreed. - That's a great take. - Okay. - I think if Stern were, go ahead. - If AI went to NFL, he'd be potentially top five ever. - Alan Iverson? - Yeah. - Agreed. - It's a strike. - He was one of the best pure athletes I've ever seen. - Yeah. - And what do you talk about Kobe? Like, those guys put Kobe maybe what? - Yeah, I know. - And I trust, like, what AI thinks about basketball, more than a guy that doesn't know how to play sports. (laughing) Sorry, bro. Soccer is the best for it. The talent pool's wider. It's the whole world, right? - The talent pool's wider and there's not a height barrier to entry the way there is in other sports. - Yes. - And there is just by far, the atmosphere is. - The atmosphere is the best. There's no comparison. - And it's just like, there is also like, I guess the packers are technically like this, but there's a notion of like belonging to a club and that you're the supporters, I pay or I pay them, what do you pay? - What do you mean, what do you pay? - 38 pounds a year. - For what? - For, to be in my club. That's my club. - What, you just give them money? - Yeah. - What do you give back? - I give them a member of Arsenal. And then the players are the first team. The manager is the coach and then there's the board. There's four. It's kind of beautiful. But then what's your role? My role is that I'm a member of Arsenal. So like, do you get to vote on stuff? - I get to maybe try and get tickets, but. - We get to watch pre-season games. - Yeah, we get to watch stream pre-season games. I literally watch everything. - So you're just paying for Arsenal league pass, buddy. - No, I get that on peacock. - No, that's not fair, but I'm out. - Right, so then you're just giving them 40 pounds a year? - Whatever, you should just watch the better sport. - I like it. - It's embarrassing being a guy from Brooklyn saying that it's the best sport. - Listen, I like it. World Cup's on my network. - World Cup is good, we're gonna brick it. The United States is good. - Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I don't care about the team. That's a, I never. - Oh, you mean as a host nation? - Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be like the ticket prices are insane. - Yeah, but that ticket prices are insane. Every World Cup. - There's like, my friend tried to get five tickets and it was like 50,000 dollars. - Oh, he's trying to go to the final? - No, he's trying to go to a random game in Miami. - I don't think so. - I think group stage. - Group stage. - Mark would never lie. I'll put him on the phone after those. He's the finest man I know. Kobe Farrowa game was the best sports game in the last 25 years, probably ever. Stefan, Wardell, Stefan Curry is the best boy guard of all time. - No. - And anyone who doesn't have him in their top five is a, I don't have, I have no respect for you. - Top five player of all time? - Yes, yes. - Okay, so-- - I've never seen anyone shoot basketball. - He's the best shooter of all time. - What is, but that's what basketball is. That's a great point. - That's part of it. - It's a big part of what basketball is. - Have you ever seen anything remotely like that? - No, he's the best shooter of all time. He's not better than Patrick Johnson. - There's no goat debate for shooting. - No. - Okay? And what, what, I, okay, I'll get sidetracked. I, the story of the 1980 finals is on paper incredible, right? He's a rookie. It's game six, Karim's hurt. He's an LA trying to rehab. They're like, let's just throw it. He plays five positions. And he wins every piece. - I shouldn't have won every piece, but yeah. - Do you have any watch, game six? - Yeah. - Come on. - It's not. - He's, no one, no one's league. Magic, because he's a big guard. And Michael Cooper, he could be a 3 and D. - The rest of them aren't league. - Karim is definitively. - He wasn't playing that game. - Oh, you're talking about literally just that game. - It's just crappy, it's just, but it's, it's just, there's no comparison. The Arizona, you're like, this is like saying. - I'm with you, dude. - I'm a promo, I'm a promo sectional, like you. - Let me ask you this. - Yeah. - You're a comedian. - Yeah. - Who's the fucking Jackie Gleason or whatever? - Very good. Yeah, he's a, he was a rabbi. - If, if, his routines right now look, pedestrian, compared to Karim, come here. - Absolutely not, then I'm, who's the guards? There isn't a comparison, no, hold on. Who's the guy that used any young men? Take my wife, please. That is the best joke ever written. - Oh, people say, no, because they say, because of word economy, they say that is the, that is the best joke ever written. - Yeah. - But I guess my point is true, dude. - Or like, I love Lucy. That type of stuff, like, doesn't hold up today. But, we assume those people, if they were born today, would be the funniest people alive. It's a girl. What? - She's, it's a girl, she's being annoying. She's not funny that. - Can I ask you a question? - You said, I have a question from 10 minutes ago. When you said they get cold, and then you apologize to my wife. 'Cause I was having sexist, but it was a joke here. - So I didn't know if you were being sexist or racist. - No, no, I was trying to figure out if your girlfriend was black, and you were saying black people get cold. - I would never get cold. - I would complain about these with a bowl of jade. 'Cause we're out of first-guy date. - You thought the same thing, right? I was like, oh, are you also engaged with black women? - What is that stereotype? - What do you mean? - Black people get cold? - I didn't know if that's what you were saying. - We may get cold if you've heard a million times. - And I did a joke like, I'm sorry, and then I'm like, they get cold. - Yeah, that's why I couldn't figure out. - Oh, 'cause I was like, your wife is here, and we're out of first date, and she's chaperoning us. - Yeah. - And how's it going? What do you think? - Yeah, I'm destroying it, right? - Okay, they should let more people that aren't jocks be the coach. - Why? - Because there's no overlap. Like, if you could learn the game serribrily, you don't have to have played when you were 21 years old. - I disagree. - Why? - Because I do. - No, Jose Moreno was. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, they did play. - Right, I'm not saying that it's impossible to be done. I think the best, particularly in the NFL. - You're sucking up to the jocks right now. - No, I'm not. - You're sucking up to the jocks. - We could do it. - I think there are elements of it that we could do, but I think, like, to me. - The boy has a coach of an NFL team. - Correct. - Yeah, yeah. - And I think a huge part of being an NFL head coach is being able to like command the respect of the room. And I think that's very difficult if you weren't a player. - You're absolutely right. - No, I'm imagine, like, I'm your coach. (laughing) - Just don't have to imagine it that much. Just look at the dog. - Listen to me. We're doing spider-wide banana. I learned about it in the YouTube. It's bullshit that the NFL has non-guaranteed contracts. And that these guys are, like, literally destroying their brains. And you can just cancel someone's deal. Like, why show, hey, getting, like, a billion dollars? - So it's just-- - For a less popular sport. - Yeah, I mean, the union for the NFL's been bad for a long time. - They're pro, like, the odors? - The union just hasn't had any teeth. It's really, like, actually, like brutally sad. - Especially the sacrifice they make physically. - And now, listen, anybody can get a guaranteed contract. They just guys, they don't have the leverage to negotiate it. - When you hear about Bobby Bonilla, are you, like, sick, dude? - Well, yeah. - Yeah, fuck the man, he's got to pay. - Well, listen, I'm a union guy. I think that, yeah, but the football union's been bad for a long time. And the guys don't have enough juice to really-- - Who's the rep? Who's the big guy? - It was D-Marie Smith forever. Who is it now? I don't even know. They just got-- that's Pablo. He just got him all in trouble. - He got the union-- - And a union guy. - He's a pink person. He's a union buster. - Well, I don't think he meant to be, but kind of, yeah. - He did, 'cause he tattled. - Well, again, I-- - I rode the Lakers' playoff run. Did you have a take that you were wrong because of me? - Did you? - A take that I was wrong. - That was my fault, I apologize. - You think? - The T-Wolves, did you say we're gonna beat the T-Wolves? - Yeah, that's my fault. - You threw it all into your handling department. - My dad is pissed off at me. Yeah, my dad, my parents-- - What do your parents do? - My mother passed away, my dad was an architect, and then they were from Cape Town, they were Jews. And then my dad, the apartheid regime, had him on an enemy's list. - Right. - And then he got called up to go to Angola to the Civil War, then they moved to LA. But then my dad, the reason I'm kind of into sports is my dad got into sports, and it was the 80s in LA. So it was showtime, Dodgers, Fernando, and so my dad was at the Gibson game. - Really? - Yeah. - That's sick. - But he learned American sports to have something to share with his kid, who's American. And so we shared it. - So he's down on a sick accent? - I don't think it's a very good one. Is this any of you? - Yeah, do you see the blood diamond? - Yeah. - He sounds nice. - I love my dad, but at this age, he's 74. He turns the TV off 25 times a game. He cannot take the stress. - Really? - And it could be a regular season game too. - And his favorite team's Lakers? - During the World Series game seven, I'm back here on baseball. - I know, this was an unbelievable playoffs. - Yeah, yeah. It's an unbelievable-- - During the World Series, I called 40 times just to make sure he didn't die. Yeah. And he's like, I can't take this. It's not good for my health that. It's not good for my health. - Do you go to L.A. and go to games? - No. - We're going to L.A. on Tuesday, for Thanksgiving's year, so I get to meet my granddaughter for the first time. - Do you think? - After. - Congratulations, by the way. - Thank you very much. - You're a grandfather. - I'm a grandfather, 12 days ago. - Do you think that the other guys should have more respect for you? - Yes. - 100%. - As I'm like-- - Where are your ramps? - Yeah. - O.G. - Exactly, yeah. - That's how I feel. - Yeah. - But we're going to go to Laker's Mams, the day after Thanksgiving, and the question is-- - It's sad, right? - Well, here's the question out of you. - It's kind of not yet talked to my wife about. - Yeah. - So my granddaughter will be at that point, 20 days old. - Yeah. - Also though, it would be super sick for her when she's 70. - Uh-huh. - It'd be like meeting someone. It's like, I watched Babe Ruth to take her to the game. - So she-- - 20 days old. - I understand. - But she can say she was there, she won't remember, but she'll be told you actually were-- - Who's gonna respect that? - Who's-- (laughing) - Seriously. - Did you? - So it was like, when you were a very small baby, you were in the same-- - If your dad saw Babe Ruth play, that wouldn't be cool. - If he was a baby? - Yeah. - No. (laughing) - He wouldn't remember it. - You went to Kaufman, that was your first game? - Kaufman. - Kaufman. - Yeah. - It was a shit stadium though. - It's still there. - The fountain. - The fountains are great. - You guys should change your uniforms. - Why? - 'Cause they look too much like dodgers. - No, they're powder blue. - The powder blue ones are better. - They used to have like dodgers uniforms. - No, they had royals uniforms. Maybe you guys copied us. - No way. - You guys are-- - Where? - Tech nine. - You guys have, we have like Brad Pitt. - Brad Pitt from-- - Actually we-- - That's a bad poll, 'cause where's Brad Pitt from? - I can't say. - Just north of Kansas. - Exactly. - Okay. - The Brooklyn Nets should exist. - Agreed. - I lived 10, five minutes from the stadium. Walking. - It's just, their fans aren't there. - Their fans. - They're the fans. - We had the stuff here. - Katie, Kyrie, and Harden, we had season tickets. - Yeah. - And my wife after that year said, "I would rather go to five Nicks games a year than all of the Nets games." - I mean, it's just, I feel bad for them, 'cause every game is a road game. - Yeah, no, I die. I don't know where, so what city, is there a city on the east coast they should go to? - New work, New Jersey. - Over there used to be. - They put on for the fucking doubles. - Here's, I got a good one for you. The Los Angeles Clippers should not exist. They should go to Seattle or Vegas. - Totally agree. - Vegas, I don't care. I don't know from there. The Los Vegas Raiders should not exist and nor should the A's and Oakland should have something. - I agree, Oakland should have some guys. - But the Raiders have moved so many times. - LA, Oakland, LA, Oakland, Vegas. - They're Oakland. Okay, the best, speak of Oakland, the best sports movies, Muddy Ball. They save so much. - No, they do, it's incredible. What's yours, Titans? - No, it's not, remember the Titans. - Coach Booty, brother's Booty. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - Objectively speaking, the best sports movie of all time is probably Rocky. - Yeah, I guess a. - Raging Bulls, pretty great. - That's up there. - The new space jam that Bronn created. - Incredible. - Incredible. UTA Family, Clutch Sports, Rich Paul, Mav Carter. I asked my ages if I could have a meeting with Rich Paul when I go to LA. - What am I gonna talk to him about? - I don't know, he'd like you. Rich is a great guy. Rich is a great guy. - Really? - Yeah. And Maverick's one of my dearest friends. - Really? - Yeah. So you're like, you're like, in too deep. That's why you did that Tuesday take. That was ridiculous. (laughing) Tuesday at noon, everyone should know. That is Tuesday, it's not a retirement. Who the fuck, what was that? Would they taste you, they're a good one. (laughing) - Okay, here's the last one. I'm just putting it out there. For a million and a half dollars, you could have your way with me. Literally, I don't care. Freaky, unchristian, whatever you want. You could use any hole you want. (laughing) It's a, I just want to buy a house, really. - I gotta imagine you do really well, bro. - Oh, it's like, it's gonna be good, I think. This year has been a re-investment cycle. But re-invest in yourself. - You're probably, yeah, in my own damn self. I'm drinking water, I'm doing meditation. - How's this going? - Really. - You like me more than Broussard? - I love Broussard, but I like you a lot. - Thank you. - I mean, it's your coworker, you shouldn't be saying that, kind of. These are. great guy. I never do stuff like this ever. Really? Why'd you do it? No. He needs to why? She thinks I should do more stuff like this but that's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it because I actually. Do you like this show? Yeah. I think you do a good job. I'm gonna have a richie tour as a moment after this. Okay. Last take and we're gonna cut this. College basketball is bad but it's way better than the girl. I think women's college basketball is actually. Women's College basketball. I think women's college basketball is the lead. I understand. I think women's college basketball is more consistently watchable than men's college basketball at this point. Why? Because you're the 40 year for them. No. Yeah. That's not sexier? No. I think that the men's college basketball doesn't work in its current state and I think women's college basketball. I think college basketball having people that stayed for all four years makes the product really good and that never happens in men's world. Steph? Steph stayed for three. Oh he always got there. Duncan stayed for four but this long time ago. Nerd-ass Duncan. That's classic Duncan. Fundamentals. Yeah. Yeah. Did he learn how to play basketball when he was like 17? He was a swimmer. He was a swimmer. Yeah. There was like this aquatic center. It was destroyed. It's from the US version. Yeah. Yeah. Same bro. Basic. No one time. Actually, was that never mind? Was that where the. Did you. Are you on the logs or no? Did you ever be F-C? Oh that's. I didn't know what you were talking about. No. No. You know anyone that's better? I don't think so. Can you imagine like some guys like you want to private plane to a private island and it's it's my crib then you just walk in and you like didn't expect that. I think most of the people who went were aware of what was going on. I mean I don't. Of course. But what if some guy was like this? There's a guy Jeff. He's so rich and then yeah he wants to take me to an island. My goat, Dershowitz is there. You're a big Dershowitz fan. No. The worst guy ever. Okay I think I think we got it. I mean like is there anything you want to you want to debate me on? I can beat you. Well that's what I didn't talk about Kobe but it's fine. I don't need to I don't need to stoop down like to the level of the the inefficient the math guys. No he's a great play. I said it was one of the 10 greatest players of all time. For some folks that's not enough because they want you know the myth rather than the facts but being one of the 10 greatest in the history of something is really good. Like if at the end of this thing they're like the Adam Friedland show is one of the 10 best digital interview shows ever. You wouldn't be like that's bullshit. That's what I mean. One B dude. One B. Chelsea Lately. One A. Adam Friedland would be. I don't know I hate the math stuff. Is it raised? Is it driven by race? Is it that it's a white pundit class talking about a black production? So I do think there is an there is an unintentional element to it where I think that some of the some of the it has been a way for people who didn't especially NBA front offices. Way for people who didn't play to get a seat at the table and an overwhelmingly black sport. Yeah. It is made a lot more given a lot more white people seats at the table. Oh I didn't meet it that way. I mean it like they could like criticize a black player with math. No I mean it like that what black what you don't think are there any players that do the math? No what I'm saying is the front offices that are dominated by guys who didn't play analytics folks. That's overwhelmingly white and the front offices that are dominated by players. That's overwhelmingly white. Right in a front office context I don't mind it but on TV it's just not entertaining. Okay. Yeah. The people are arguing about efficiency. Zach. Zach is the one that's fun about it because you get so excited. I don't even know what the numbers mean. So yeah so Zach. Zach is the best to ever do what he's doing because he's having fun and because he's smarter than all these guys. Yeah. And so what he's folks who are not as smart and don't know as much basketball as I'm trying to do what Zach does is a disaster because now it's like wait you don't have all the information and you're boring that's not going to work. Yeah. What what it like do you think it's a it's divorced from what is great about sports though the math? Some of it yeah. But you're a math because you're like LeBron is the best because he's the best. No I mean I mean I'm a little bit of both but I do think that is your favorite movie like the top box office? No. Yeah. You're like it's the best movie as the best. No I think there will be bonds the greatest movie ever. Oh fire yeah. Great best movie. Wait so let's I want to finish this point because I think it's interesting like what do you identify like what do you or a kid calling it say Marty shot in the highverse should be taken out back and fired. Yeah fired. Yeah fired. Yeah taken out back and old old yellers. What like what do we like about it and why do we get so mad at each other about it we've been getting along but when you're on TV you're pissed. Yeah. You get hit you get heated about shit and I don't think you're doing showbiz I think you're actually like yeah yeah no I like to I really much to the chagrin of my lovely wife who we've heard since few times I like to argue and I really I have always maybe it's maybe I try not to but it's sometimes hard the I don't I have always had maybe it's a mental defect but it's also probably of what's made me however good I am at what I do I'm really convinced that if after I make my argument you don't agree with me you must not have understood my argument yeah I mean everyone feels that way right well I think some people have more humility in it than I do but I mean what you're doing on TV is something that people do when they're hanging out right yeah we do and it's like why why does it retain meeting right to people right oh I don't that I don't know it's because if we attach narrative to it right yeah so like a Kobe shooting a hundred times and getting a six piece I think by the way it's the story of the of a career right correct I don't think there's a lot of criticism of Kobe's final game I don't think that's what I'm saying that's why what made it special yeah right yeah it's not debatable everyone had a great time watching it yeah but it made it special not because of anything other than we thought we'd never see it again it's like an entire one of the masters correct that is that that's that's pro that's one of my two or three favorite sports moments ever yeah I'm sorry you're winning the match because when we were kids he was like it was a a mythological figure right do you get SI kids I got all of it man yeah I got I got great him as a kid I had I had grown up I had every because ESPN the magazine came out when we were teens yeah and I would get it at read the whole thing and pin it up on my wall and I had all of them on my wall when I graduated high school do you remember the commercial with KG and stuff on marble yeah it tastes fully done I took it serious they said all nude yeah they said no bikinis yeah they were like with the punchline was all nude and I was like fully done yeah I mean but they didn't they actually didn't I mean Fox Sports would never do that ESPN they would never lie about putting a real boobs at that age you're hunting for boobs yeah well I was like I got to get ESPN in the magazine because Seffa Marbury told me there's gonna be sluts yeah and there was nothing I think that I mean if we're really trying to rehash that commercial I think he was implying that he was gonna be nude in it oh really and we had to get it it's like you know Bert Reynolds uh he uh he posted play girl and uh he thought it was because girls were reading it and then he found out afterwards that you believe guys gay guys and then he got pissed off he's like what the hell no I don't believe of course not this has been a pleasure thank you wait I should wait (upbeat music) (upbeat music)