Nick Smith is Giving Stepmom

- Wave. - Like I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like what I'm not gonna say that. - I don't. - You don't like what? Come on, delas. - Getting to know people. (all laughing) (upbeat music) - Today's episode is presented by Intuit TurboTax. Now this is taxes. Nick, what the hell's going on with you? - Hi. - Hi. - You were showing me your Legos before this. You're getting really involved. - I developed an addiction to Legos. - Yeah. - But they're really beautiful. I was showing them to you. I do the flower botanical ones. - Yeah. - It's sort of starting to look like I have an Asian fetish because I just keep doing like Japanese gardens. - It's starting to give white guy who owns a couple kimonos. - Yeah. - Which is a type of white guy that we try to avoid. - Yes. - They're mostly a peaceful people by the way. - Sure. - White guys that are really into Asia. - They're mostly a peaceful people. - But if I'm talking to you and your instinct to say hello to me is to clasp your hands in bowel. - So that's going to be a different thing. We're going to need to take a step back. This isn't memoirs of a gaysha. - Yeah. - White guy who gets really into Asia. It's been discussed on the pod before. I used to work with one of them. Okay, let me tell you a story. When I was in Chicago and I worked at this one job that I had, we had to go on a work trip. And it was a company that didn't have a lot of money because it was a nonprofit. I'll say that. I worked for a couple nonprofits. So I don't feel like I'm giving the game away on this guy. I don't want to put this guy spot up. But I worked at a nonprofit and we went on a work trip, right? And we had to share hotel rooms to St. Louis. - Exactly. - From Chicago. - Okay. - We had to share hotel rooms with other staff. Which is crazy. - Sure. - And he and I got paired together because the company was mostly women. So it was like me and him were the only guys going on the trip, okay. So we go and we do the first day of work. He goes out that night with all of us and then he goes back early. He's like, "Hey, I'm gonna go back and go to bed." I go, "Okay, is it okay if I stay out?" He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Okay." So I stay out a little bit. I go back and then he's not there. He's like gone somewhere else. And I go, "Okay." He probably went out with some other friends. He probably like knows people on St. Louis or something. So I go back and I go, "Perfect, I'll go to sleep then." I go to the room, I go to sleep in my bed, right? I'm not a crazy snorer. I would say, "Chances slept in many rooms with me." I snore, but it's not like the most absurd thing you've ever heard. It's like a regular snorer. - Okay. - I go to sleep and at one point in the middle of the night, I awake to being struck. - To what? - I've been hit by something. Something has hit me. I thought the ceiling fell on me. Something hits me really hard. And I wake up. I wake up because I've been hit really hard. - Right. - And then I look and there's an additional pillow in my bed that isn't mine. And I turn and I'm like freaked out and I turn. And the guy that I work with is a sleep in his bed. And I go, I go, "What?" I say, "What?" And he, I wouldn't even know what to say in that situation. - And he is pretending to be asleep after he threw a pillow at me. And I was so freaked out. 'Cause you got out of your skin. I'm in dead, like deep room sleep and I wake up to that. And now he's perturbing. It's crazy. And so I'm like, I don't even know what to make of it. So I text my friend Lauren who works at the company. - Right. - She is an older woman who, she's an older black woman who when they tried to tell her she was gonna have to share a room with a white person, she said, "I'm not sharing a room with a white person "giving my own room." (laughing) - I respect that. - Queen. - I respect that. - And she deserves her own room. - She does. And so did I. But I'm happy for her. So I text her and I go, "Hey, can I please come to your room?" Just did some crazy shit. And she goes, "Of course." I come in there, she got like a suite. - Oh, she got a suite. (laughing) - She's like, "You want the plow?" - No, she's got the plow. - She's got the plow. I go, "Worn." Can I sleep on the plow? How did she go? Of course. I go, "What, what's all this?" She goes, "Yeah, you can stay in here." I go, "Okay." So she and I stay up talking. I start ripping into that. So me and Lauren are kind of tearing him apart. - Why did I think that? - Like I love Zazia, you were gonna see you woke up to a tea ceremony or something. (laughing) - Like I was waiting for you to drop these-- - You should be behind. - You should be doing like sort stuff in the corner. - Literally. - No, this just goes to the insidious nature of a sometimes, sometimes white guys who love Asia. There's something going on with them. And then, so I sleep there. - Not sometimes. - I'm saying sometimes there's something going on with them and it doesn't become anyone else's problem. And sometimes you share a hotel room and they hate you with a pillow. (laughing) So I sleep in Lauren's room. I shout out Lauren, I love her so much. And then the next morning I have to go back to my room to shower and stuff. I walk into the room. The guy is in there and he goes, "Hey man, I go, don't." I get in the shower and then while I'm in the bathroom, he is like knocking on the door. He goes, "Hey, when you're done, can we talk for a second? I feel really horrible." And I was like, "I have nothing to say to you." And he, 'cause that was insanity. - It's insane. - And he was like, "I'm really sorry, I just, I wasn't able to get any sleep because you were snoring and I just didn't know what else to do." And I was like, "You're like 40, leave me alone." I was, at the time I was 23. I'm 23 years old and the 40 year old man has hit me with a pillow in my sleep. Okay, I'm feeling insane. - It's not the pillow fight you were dreaming of. - No. - I go, "You're like 40, leave me alone." And then he goes, "Okay." And then I actually had put in my two weeks at that job before this trip. - Sure, so you were really clocked out. - I was went as a favor to the group because they needed help on the trip. And I was like, "I'm not gonna leave you high and dry." And when we got back from my ex interview, I spent most of it talking about him. I was like, "He hit me with a pillow, he's crazy." Get him out of here. I don't know what ever happened to him, but he was really in, he's, he's. (laughing) - I think you know what happened to him. - Yeah, well, he's probably, yeah, he's probably in Taipei causing trouble. - Literally. - Yeah, he's over there doing some stuff. He shouldn't be doing. - Yeah. He kamikaze you with a pillow. - And they're crazy. - They tend to be asleep at your big ass age. - Right. - 'Cause also, I totally, by the way. - But what would you want him to have done? - First of all, you fucking deal with it. You either go get your own room, or you put in earplugs, you put in headphones. I've slept, I have friends that snore crazy style. And you know what I do? Fucking headphones on. - 100%. - And if none of that works and you absolutely feel like you have to do something to me, a 23 year old who's being forced to stay in a room with you, I would not have been happy about, but I would have accepted. If he like gently nudged me away, and he was like, "Hey, I'm so sorry. Your snoring is causing me to not be able to sleep. Can I just like get to sleep really quick?" And then you go back to sleep. I wouldn't like that, but that's like the nicest normal. - Right. If you're gonna do anything. - You know? - How long have you been asleep at this point? - Hours. Hours. - No. - I'm deep in sleep. This is like three, four in the morning. - No. - Crazy. Crazy. Anyway, white guys who love Asia, they can be a problem. But most of them are peaceful. So it's hard. Mostly they just stay in their house and play with their swords, and they don't really bother anybody. From my experience. - Not my experience. - What are they doing to you? - Again, it's like you're bothered by the knowledge of their existence. - Yeah. And it's always. - It's always. - Oh, excuse me. - It's always, if I'm just trying to have a conversation and your go-to is to do Asian mannerisms to me. That are offensive. I'm like, we've, what, what? - Yeah. - Sure. - That makes sense to me. - Did you know? - Say it. - This is gonna give me in trouble. - That's good. - I just, by the way, the one thing Nick said to me before this recording was, I'm not having fun on this show. - You said refuse. (laughing) - I refuse. - So hurtful. - So hurtful. - And that's so true. - But let's get you in trouble at least. - So I'm aware this is gonna, anyone who watches our podcast, this is an early thing, famously. - So World War II. - Uh-oh. - I didn't realize Japan and Germany were in coats. - Okay. (laughing) - That did not even cross my mind. - It should have crossed your desk. - I was like, it's dead. - It never made it to my desk. - Yeah. - And the reason I'm bringing that up is because we're talking about white men obsessed with Asia. And it made me think of Japan and then now it's now made me think of World War II and it still is blowing my mind, they were in cahoots. Because obviously we know about Hitler and we know about Pearl Harbor. - Yeah, we totally know about those. - I did not know there was a thread. - Yeah. - The Phantom Thread. - You said, you wanna talk about white guys who love Asia? How about Germany in the 19th? - How about white guys that know nothing? - Yeah. - I don't know why my brain just went there, but it's really-- - That really shocked you, it really shocked me. - Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but why were they in cahoots? - Oh, I don't understand the forces that brought ever all the powers to where they were in that situation. There was, I just learned though, and this maybe is me being a dumb guy, I didn't know there was like in the 90s, there was like a huge sweep of like, specifically anti-Japanese sentiment in the United States. Did you know that? - In the 90s? - Yeah, because they their production, there was like a big like Japanese scare in the 90s, I guess of like politicians like basically freaking out that their production was taking over, they were gonna become like the new world power. And it was like a big, I'm reading this book right now called How the Clock Broke. We'll put a cover of it right here in the video in the episode. - The book is really good. - Right here, put the cover there. the book is. But this is one of the things it talks about is like Japanese technology and Japanese technology Yeah, and like basically try all the different ways that Our politics became like a huge joke and like theater of absurdity in the 90s with like fucking like David Duke like that KKK member who want to see in Louisiana back then like it became this big thing We're a bunch of politicians at first people would be like oh, you're insane isn't this funny And then they got like real traction and how that obviously has led to where we are now But yeah, I didn't know that speaking of KKK and skinheads, right? I need to talk about something that's on my mind, right? I just went and saw the movie pillion, okay And this is also gonna get me in trouble which Mateo specifically said on the phone walking here. Please do not do anything Mateo calling you before you go on other podcasts to be like Nick. I am begging you Literally he was like, please do not say anything. It's gonna get us in trouble. And I'm like, well, it's a no So I just watched the movie pillion. Are you familiar? I'm like it's gay guys having rough sex or something, right? Okay, so it's Alexander Skarsgard and the guy from Harry Potter They it's like this BDSM No, what's he's the one that plays Dudley He was also in Queen's Gambit. Yeah, Harry's cousin. Yes, so they're in this BDSM dom sub relationship I don't like when someone asks for a hitting hitting it stresses me out right in sex I know some of my girlfriends like it, but I'm like, I don't want to hit anybody. I don't want to see anybody get hit I don't like that Yeah, I mean look, I tried one time With someone to do were you the hitter or the hitty not hit I didn't try to do the hip, but it was very much like I need to preface this with kinks. We're not exchanged beforehand So I didn't know that this was happening, and the person that I was getting intimate with out of nowhere just goes you like that daddy Yeah, that'll happen sometimes. I'm a step my best. Yeah Yeah, I mean come on now. Yeah, I mean yeah, to a father. I'm not the idea of someone calling you daddy is pretty insane to me crazy, but you know, I tried and I went with it and I said good boy And then it turned out that they weren't a boy and I didn't know their pronouns before so then it just really derailed and I felt horrible Wait, they were they were they were not able and then they were like hey, don't they were literally that makes sense Called me daddy, and I was like this is the dynamic they want yeah, I am a performer at the end of the day and I'm going to give them what they want and I said I said that's a good boy and they looked up and they go I'm not a boy Were they were they she heard because good girl would be easy or was it a they them situation that gets really tricky So then I was like good I didn't I already felt horrible so then I didn't want to be like well then What do you want me to say because then I've already ruined the moment and I didn't want to ruin it further So I was just like let's just power through yeah, it didn't work Yeah, that's really tricky. This is why we have to be having conversations beforehand sometimes that would be yeah, that really sucks Good girl. What good boy and good girl. Both boys, but who could look at me and be like I'm gonna call them daddy I don't know anyone looking at me who's never even met you've never even met me and I guarantee you thought that I was gonna send your kids to boarding school Yeah Nothing saying there's nothing nothing paternal about me. No, no and it yeah, it doesn't Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me to call you daddy during that moment They they didn't what did they wanted to tell you what they wanted to be called? No, they didn't say because they were upset They weren't upset they They politely corrected me which again, they shouldn't have had to do that's on me. No, it's yeah This is a thing that happens when we don't talk beforehand. That's right nobody's fault But I didn't want to like make it uncomfortable because we were already sort of like in the moment So I didn't want to be like so tell me what you want yeah I so I've done a pronoun check in the middle of sex before I and I should have I was so mortified that I've like offended this person every so I was just like I just got caught and I was like I also was just still thrown that I looked like a daddy in this person's eyes Yeah, I don't I maybe they thought it's what you wanted. I'm not that good. I'm not a hard wanted It's possible for you to want to be a daddy You might want you might be like oh, I hope people see me as a daddy. It's just not wearing this sweater You think I want people seeing on the inside. I don't know that's maybe what they were thinking. There's no chance that they thought Of you as a daddy. I'm saying there has to be something so unless they do do I give but tribes Yeah, hear me out. I don't want to hear me out. Look, I know it's a podcast and we're having fun I don't want to do this. No, we're going that you're like come on That how long have we been recording for and we've talked about skinheads. Yeah White men into Asia. Yeah world war two Kahoot dynamics. Yeah, we're gonna go there. Am I giving a little butch Because this person felt like they could say daddy so maybe And my giving daddy Nick you know, I ignore the sweater This sweater is like not even in the top 100 parts of the problem. No, you're not come on now You're not giving butch now come on now would go ahead and be part of what I'm talking about You know, you're not giving butch you're baiting me and I don't want to do this today I'm but someone specifically called me daddy, which I did not ask for so they must have thought In some capacity that I was giving daddy. Yeah Maybe I don't maybe I'm trying to make I'm trying to square this new thing that I should explore I would be really by the way. I would be really open to you exploring. I just bought two leather blouses from Zara Tell me what you think that means Tell me what you think leather blouses from Zara means for your daddy journey Maybe I venture into leather daddy Yeah But they are leather and they're short sleeve and button up and they're from Zara and the one is green Yeah, so yeah, you're gonna look like one of the sexy M&M's before you look like a leather daddy But hear me out. I'm hearing you out The red M&M is kind of giving daddy No It's not but the yellow is giving sub He's walking around with not in him come on now. That's very funny and true What do you want to give for real? What are you actually giving? I don't want to give dad I just want to be clear. I don't want to give daddy. I'm just I'm just saying That maybe this is a side of me that I didn't know that I had Explore it Well, I don't necessarily want to explore because I don't want to give daddy obviously right okay But if someone felt the need to say I'm sorry that I keep looking over here But it just feels weird not to look at people that are in the room yeah, and I know that I'm supposed to be looking at you I apologize. No, when you're talking about this feel free to look at them Look to wherever you have uncomfortable as possible If someone looked at me in the heat of the moment and said daddy It must have been for a reason that they were getting daddy. So maybe that's a side of me that I didn't know I was giving Do you have you ever been around me and been like wow next giving daddy No, you can say no. I'm not trying to make that's a genuine question. No, I but you know I haven't you know what I mean Like you know I've never been around you and thought daddy you know that I've been around you and thought like this guy my mommy No like Cousin that I'm happy to see it in a van every once in a while or like Or like girl girl in gym class that I felt allied with You know, it's not there's no paternal maternal Do you know what I mean? This is crazy, but I find out Publicly you don't like me This is crazy that I am finding out in front of thousands of people Hundreds of thousand millions me millions, maybe No, I don't like being around. I'm saying if you force me track now I'm saying if you force me to put you into a family dynamic. I'm gonna make you My cousin that I don't get to see that often, but that I'm happy when it happens. I'm not gonna make you one of my parents My dad's dad and my mom's butchers and you You know what I mean Sure, yeah How did we get here? How did we get here? Uh, you uh, you dead naming a bottom I was trying to talk about dating a long time ago Yeah, and then we got really 15-folds deep without don't look at me. No, that's what the podcast is What is going on with dating? Are you going on dates at all? No, so One of my New Year's resolutions, which I Am also gonna say a lot of people have news resolutions and they don't stick to them. I've been really good about it Part of my New Year's resolutions was to be healthier. I have worked out every week this year so far. - Awesome. What kind of working, every week through me, but what kind of, well multiple times a week, but not every day, but like a couple times a week. - Yeah, I went 34 years never working out once in my life. - You're doing yoga or Pilates? - Pilates. - I can't do yoga, 'cause you're not allowed to talk. - Yeah, that's not good for you. - You're not gonna be quiet in there. - I tried one yoga class back in college and I started talking and they go, "Sweetie, this isn't for you." (laughing) - And I said, "You're right, you're right." So I've been doing Pilates. I'm not good, but I'm doing it. I'm getting my body moving. I've been eating healthier. So I'm really sticking to my New Year's resolutions, except I said that I wanted to date more. I haven't been on one date. - Go on a date. - Well, I don't get matches to go on dates. - We're working on the profile. Are you using premium yet? Did we talk about that? - What? - A hinge premium? - I'm not paying for it. - You need to. I don't know what to tell you. 'Cause it's better, because the frustrating thing about. - I can't even on the free version get people to match. - That's not me. - You're looking at the wrong way. You're going like, "Oh, even on the free version, I can't get it." When in fact it's the opposite, the easier thing is to, you'll see the likes that you get on premiums. So you don't have to fucking swipe all the time. You can just go, "Oh, that person likes me. I'm into it, date." - You know what I'm saying? - Uh-huh. - I mean, I've had this conversation with you in the past at our lunch, and I talked about it on our podcast, but I will say, I think I'm a very self-aware person for the most part, and I'm aware, I'm a very specific person. So I feel like my pool of prospects is very limited. So I've come to terms with, I might not find anyone, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I have. - I don't think that's your story, but I think I've just come to terms with, I'm very specific. - You are. - There are some people who are palatable to the masses. - Yeah. - To quote Elphaba, "I'm not that girl." (laughing) - Yeah. - And it's like, because my pool's very specific, the odds of me finding someone in that already limited pool is very limited. So it might not happen. I understand what you're saying. I don't agree. I think, yes, you're a specific person. Many specific people find partnership, but I also wonder, do you act, do you care that much? Like, do you want it? - I love being in a relationship. I would love to be in a relationship. I do not like the precursor of finding it. Like, I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like what? I'm not gonna say that. I don't. Come on, delas. (laughing) - I don't think that's true. - No, hear me out. - I like, hmm. We've spent the last two years getting to know each other and I feel like we've had a great time. - No, it's the first part of dating like, so where are you from? Oh, how many siblings do you have? - If I could fast forward three months into knowing someone, so it's effortless, easy banter. - Yeah. - That's the sweet spot. But it's the like, finding out all the like, things you have to know about someone that I just can't stand any of that. So I don't do it. - Well, what do you do with new friends? You make new friends pretty often, I feel like. And why does that not feel painful? Why don't you just do it the way you do new friends? - I don't feel like I make new friends often. Or if I do, it's because I'm being introduced by a mutual friend. But in the times that you've made new friends in like the last 10 years, anyone who's come into your life. And I know a lot of people have come into your life in the last 10 years. What, after you get introduced, that part is like totally. It would be great if someone could just introduce you to a romantic partner. But after the introduction, when you're hanging out for the first time, second time, et cetera, does it feel painful to learn about their siblings and where they're from and their hobbies and all the things that you need to learn about them to know them? A little, really. So that across the board is something. - And not that I'm like, I don't care. I just find it like tedious. - Like I wish I already knew that information so that we could get down to more like nitty-gritty fun. Interesting stuff. - You could make a game of it. You could make a little affording bit out of it. If you match with someone that you think is cute and maybe interesting, you could be like, hey, why don't you just send me all the boring details so that when we go out next week, we can get into the fun stuff. There's like maybe a cute 40. Wouldn't that be kind of cute and 40? I think that'd be kind of fun. I would like that if someone did that. If someone was like, why don't you just tell me how many siblings you have where you're from, what you studied, what you do for work. Just send me maybe like a document. And I'll send you mine. And then when we meet up next week, we can just like have get into the fun stuff. I think there's a cute way to do that. - Now I hear you and I don't mean any offense by the statement, but this is coming from someone who sent a questionnaire after a date. Stamestly did not go well. It went so bad. - I mean, so. - It went so bad. I hear you, but that was one time. And might have you done it since? - Not that particular. I've done a version of that bit. - Okay. - I have some texting bits that I like to do in dating that are involved reviews, but I've definitely changed the approach to the review bit. 'Cause the Google Doc was a lot of work on my part and he was pretty honest in a way that I was like, that wasn't cute or funny. He gave me like a three on something. You know what I mean? It's like, don't pick three. Pick five or one. Even one would be funny. - No, I would say in the big scheme of my cute flirting, though, that's like one flop. It's mostly wins. - Can I ask, would you prefer a friend introduce you to a potential romantic partner or find them through an app? - I'd rather find them some other way. I actually don't want a friend to introduce me to my partner. - Okay. - I don't want the messiness of it. I don't want the like, this is my best friend from college and we have 12 years of history and things go weird between you two. I'm gonna have to make some choices. And I don't like that either. - Yeah. - My friend Bob is relentlessly trying to set me up with people. - I would take, I would accept it, by the way. I do think you should go on the date. - I tried it one time and the person was like, no. - What do you mean? - What do you mean they were like, no. - They just stopped messaging. - Bob connected us. - Connected you guys? - Yeah. - We chatted a little and then they just stopped messaging back. - I would need to know so much about-- - I'll tell you off camera. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But I would prefer not to be set up because I don't-- - I think it's a weird dynamic. - Yeah. - But okay, so you've met someone a different way. What is your ideal first date? - Ideal first date? I actually don't like to go too cutesy on the first date. Because to me, a first date is so who knows? And so I try to save my cuter date ideas for like, third, fourth, like the more I can really know. We're making effort to see. Because if we're going on a third date, like I'm always out of town, I'm always busy. So like, if we're going on a third date, it's like we're moving shit around at this point. Like we're really working on this. So a first date really would be like, it's like a weeknight and I have plans later in the evening and we have an early evening drink or coffee situation. - Okay. - 45 minutes is the plan. And then if it goes well, maybe the thing I have to go afterwards is something they can come to. Or maybe I have a two hour buffer before the next thing and we can like go to a second location. But I like to have an easy out. I like to be like, I have something to do after this and it's soon, you know what I mean? 'Cause if it's not a vibe, it's like I'm not wasting my whole evening on this. - Totally. - Great to get to know you, how to good time. I'll pay for the drinks and we gotta go. But I don't wanna do, yeah, not a big involved crazy first date. - Save it for once, you know them. And also, if a first date's going really, really well, I have on many occasions canceled my thing afterwards to be like, let's extend the first date. - Okay. - I've turned a 45 minute drinks into a six hour first date because it was going great. That, I love that. - Okay. - But it's nice to have that like, it's almost like putting a trip on your calendar and not knowing if you're gonna get to go or not. It's like the, you'll know how bad you wanna go on the trip or do the thing that would keep you away from the trip based on what your decision is. And so it's like, if I plan something exciting for after a first date and I wanna cancel it because the thing is going so well, the date is going so well, then that means I should because it, you're mean, it's like the feeling will tell you what you need to know. - Yeah, yeah. - But yeah, a good, a good, a little 45 minute drinks is a nice move. - Okay. And is it in those 45 minutes, have you already texted all of the like, where are you from, or do you like to save that for the date? - To me, that's the point of a first date. It's like, it's an appointment. It's like the, I'm not, I don't wanna talk on a dating app for more than like a day. - I wanna talk for like a day and then be like, when are we meeting up? - You wanna go, you really wanna go long on the messages. - Because I don't, again, I don't go on that many dates ever. But it's like, I would rather figure that all out via messaging before I'm going to spend time to meet you in person. - Yeah. - I don't know, maybe that's the wrong mindset to have. - I don't think wrong mindset. I just also think if it's something you want, I wanna see it for you. But if it's also something that you're like, like I would say I didn't spend most of my 20s really dating with any intention, 'cause I was like, I should have a lot of fun hanging out with my friends and I don't really need that. And then at the end of my 20s, I was like, oh man, I really, I really, I really, Bye friends. are getting into relationships or I was like actually just hanging out with my friends forever is not going to cut it. So maybe I'll get there then in the end of my 20s. Maybe at the end of your 20s. I mean you're so like, yeah, you're 23 right now and like, I'm fresh. You have so much to learn and experience. I'm just exploring life at this point. You're practically a fetus. Folks, we all know tax season can be a tough time, especially if you do them the old fashioned way. Like a pilgrim or something, right? So old and boring the way that you can do it. Besides being time consuming and confusing to begin with, other factors like not knowing if things were done the right way or working around someone else's schedule, only makes getting your taxes done all the more stressful. 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Every website is optimized to be indexed with meta descriptions and auto-generated site map and more. So you show up more often on search engines and bring in more of your ideal customers. Head to squarespace.com/showtrue for a free trial when you're ready to launch. Use offer codes. Go to squarespace.com/showtrue to save 10% of your first purchase of a website or even a domain. That's correct. Ask me a question. On a date? Yeah. Yeah. One year, 45 minute. You want to do just ask me a question. It doesn't need to play a whole scene. Just ask me a question. Cool. So you've done it with Mateo and now you want to try it with me. Yeah. Because maybe I'm only combative with him. Okay. Okay. So where are you from? Pennsylvania. Thanks. What part? North of Scranton, a very small town of only 700. My dad happens to be the mayor. Who does the mayor? He is. Whoa. Republican or Democrat. Democrat. But wins both the tickets because no one else runs against him. Damn. That's cool. Do you go back very often? No. So there's a lot of, I could just, I could just say from the jump there's a lot of dead-end answers. Okay. And it might be helpful. And it might be helpful to return the question. I hear that. We're early in this. No, we're early. Yeah. I hear that. Oh, that's really cool. Where are you from? Missouri. What part? A really small town north of Kansas City. When you say small, how small? Not as small as yours. It like, so it's not small. So that would be a, that's where I would, so it gets combative. I don't know. That's it would be where I would stop you. Okay. Yeah. I hear that now. Yeah. I do. I hear that. That would be where I would stop you. I thought that that was being like fun and playful. I would go for connection over distance. Okay. On a first date. So how small? Oh. No, that was better. Now, come on now. Yeah. It's like like 5,000 people. Okay. That is small. Yeah. Do you know the mayor? I actually don't remember who the mayor was, but I'm trying to think of who the mayor was when I was growing up. It's funny because we moved a lot when I was a kid. So I have like different pieces of information about different small towns that we lived in. Was your parents in the military? Is that why you moved around? No. We were just poor. That was a really good question. Okay. I'm learning. That was a really good question because also the odds were pretty good that you were going to be right. When someone says they moved a lot, it's often military. Right. Yeah. So connection. Really good. Really good, Nick. I'm fucking nailing this. Yeah. What? Okay. So we kind of just now mastered like the not being so combative. We mastered not being so combative. We mastered sending a question back to the other person. Why don't you initiate? Why don't you initiate now with me like I'm on the date with you. Like something playful. You said you hate small talk. You hate to get to know each other talk. So initiate to me something that would be more interesting to you. We've moved past the small talk. We know everything about each other now. Okay. Initiate something that you'd like to talk about. Okay. Okay. The steak is so good. It's really, really good steak. I can't give over how good the steak is. Our steaks from Kansas. What did you say? What's that company with the steaks? You talking about Omaha? Nebraska. Nebraska. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But they have ranches in Kansas. Right. Totally. Yeah. I bet there are some really good things. Have you been on a ranch? No, that was inquisitive and no, it was the way you were looking at me. It was the way you were looking at me. Have you been on a ranch and then kind of the walk in was really scary? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that's the kind of stuff you're dying to get to. No. Okay. But you initiated with the steak. So I was trying to play. I was just killing time. Okay. You're right. You're right. Okay. You can go with your gut. It's good. We can learn from it. Okay. If you have to, you have to. This is how we learn. There could be other people out there who need to hear this. Go ahead. I'm going to go with my gut that's the first thing popped in my mind. Okay. If you weren't going to die tomorrow, yeah, I'm going to stop you there. No. No, hold on. No, hear me out. Okay. I will. I will. I will. If you were going to die tomorrow, what would be your perfect final day? I'll actually like that. Yeah. I like that. Can we make some noise for that? Maybe I could have phrased it differently. Yeah. I think you could just say what's your perfect day. Sure. Not bring up death. Yeah. But also you could bring up death. I just think perfect day would probably be just as interesting. Okay. Okay. If you, what's your perfect day if you were going to die tomorrow? Okay. Yeah. And then I would answer. That's a really good initiation. Okay. Okay. Try another one. Now all I can think about is what would your last meal be? I don't mind. I'm focused on death right now. Yeah. Death is kind of. Okay. I get it. Get out the way. Blah. Think about life. Okay. Think about life. We're getting death out. Okay. Yeah. I do ask this question. Okay. You go to an airport tomorrow. Money is not an option or not a. Object. Object. Um. Where would you go? Oh. I'm going to the airport and I'm just picking a location. You can go anywhere. Anywhere. Money doesn't matter. Where would you go? Okay. Do I get to stay as long as I want? You can do whatever you want. Stay as long. Nothing matters. You can just go wherever you want. God. In this moment, it's so cold in New York right now. I feel like I would probably go somewhere warm. Okay. So I'm going to say we're narrowing down to warm spots right now because I Asia is really big on my list this year. Genuinely. I know. After everything we said. I know. But just we're on it. It's a fake date. I really want to go to Tokyo really badly. I've never been. Um. But I don't want to go right now. So I warm places that I'd like to go right now. Maybe I'd go to, uh, like the south of Spain, like southern Spain or, um, it depends because I think if I went somewhere closer, I could get friends to go with me. Okay. So maybe I'd go, I'd go somewhere like I'd just go to Florida or something. If I could get friends, I could get a bunch of friends to go with me because I can't go to the airport tomorrow and you could go anywhere and you had chose Florida. You can't do. You can, you can do that to me on the podcast. You can't do that to me on a date. Why? That's fun and playful. No. On a date, you got to go with it. You got to be excited because it's a first date. No, it's like, it's like, ribbing you. That's like fun to do. - Okay, go, go for your ribbing me. Go for your ribbing me. - Okay, yeah. - You're going to suggest, just to be clear, you brought up Japan, which I'm not gonna lie, little concerning, Southern Spain, and then you settled on anywhere in the world you could fly to, you chose Florida. - Yeah, because we didn't say in the rules that anyone else could also make it work. Are we living in a land where any, are we living in a world of reality where any of my friends can also go? - I thought I made it pretty clear at the beginning there were no objects or rules. - I was just, so again, this is an energy that would be really a huge turn off. This would be a huge turn off. - Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. - Maybe it's Maybelline. - I'm so sorry. - That would be a huge turn off to me. - Okay. - If you ever set on a date to me that you thought you made it pretty clear about something, I would, I would absolutely be so turned off. - I'm gonna be single forever. - No, you're not. 'Cause I also wasn't showing up as my best self in that interaction. - Okay. - So, guess what I did? I didn't live in a world of possibility. - Blame to share. - There's definitely blame to share. - Okay. So it's not just me. - No, it's not just you. In this moment, I did not show up in my best in that interaction. - Okay. - Wearing Florida. - That's great. That's really great. Wearing Florida. Oh God, I don't know. I just think it would be so easy to get a big house in Florida. What about the keys? The Florida keys. - Okay. - I've never been. I heard it's gay. - It's very gay. I've heard. I've also never been. - How were they made key lime pie? - Yes. Huh. - What, how good this is? - I don't like key lime pie. See, that would be a problem, right? That would be, that would be, 'cause it's not necessarily that, it's not a problem that you don't like key lime pie. Do you guys agree with me that that would be weird to say right there? I don't like key lime pie is like, don't pressure them. That's okay. - They don't think it's weird. - Well, 'cause I'm not questioning myself on that one, but I do think I'm right that like. - Maybe if I say it differently. - Okay. - Did you say, say-- - Is that where they made key lime pie? - Yeah, yeah, I think that's where it was invented. - You know, I've never really liked key lime pie. - That's, yes, that's exactly correct. Yeah! - I'm fucking nailed in this. - This is crazy. - That's the difference, though. - Did you feel that? - Sure. - Big energy shift. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's different than what you're thinking about pie. - Yes. Let's go. - What do you do for Thanksgiving? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is good. - I actually don't like Thanksgiving. - So again, that kind of-- - I'm a part of a Christmas person. - Yeah, ish. - No. - It's just going to be too many in a row of telling us you crazy. - Again, it's not like I care. - It's again about too many things you don't like, I think. - Okay. - That might be focusing on the negative. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like if you don't care, but if you don't like Thanksgiving and don't want to hear about it, maybe start by asking something else. - Okay. - You know, instead of going down, everything can't be a road to what you don't like. - Sure. - No, I do want to go to Japan. - We talked about this. - I know. - I just can't do a flight that long. - I know it's really hard. - I don't fit on planes. - Nord, you don't have to tell me about it, brother. - It's just like when you're tall, you're limited. - Try being fat. Try being tall and fat. And I'm telling you, I'm uncomfortable no matter what. I'm even in those pods. I'm up there. - I'm buying the nicest seats they got and it's not getting much better, right? - And it's like 16 hours or something. - It's quite a bit better, but. - I can't do that. - It's too long. I get bored and people are like, oh, just watch movies. I'm like, do what you would do on the ground? I'm like, no, it's not the same. It's the freedom. I feel boxed in. I feel like I'm in prison. - I feel boxed in. - I feel caged. - Like a caged animal. - 'Cause you know what I can do on the ground? Go somewhere else. - Exactly. - Even if I don't, I could. - And you will. - And I will. In the food, it's like a stuck on there for 16 hours and the only option I have for a meal is what they're serving. Yuck. I can bring some stuff, but it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be right. It's not super important to me. - Let's see, it's really important to me. - I keep the same thing every day. - You do. Dunkin' every morning. - Dunkin' every morning, Chipotle, every lunch. I've been getting healthy meals delivered to me. - Oh yeah. Like the ones Mateo does? - No. - Different ones. - Different. - What are the factors? - You're doing factors. - I'm doing factors. He has like a whole like trainer. - Yeah, he is a different thing. - What's, how is factor going? Do you like it? - I do. - I will say it's an adjustment because it's not a lot of food. - Yeah. - Normally I only eat twice a day. I eat Chipotle for lunch and a big bowl. And then I eat a big dinner. And because the factor meals are much smaller portions and healthy food. - Also, if you want people to eat healthy, we have to make a taste better. - Yeah. There are, you have to, yeah. It's finding the healthy things that you actually like that you can eat a lot of. - Right. - And I'm not saying that factor doesn't taste good. Like, I have found things that taste good. It's just not a lot of food. So it's been an adjustment because I'll eat it and then I'm starving after still. - Yeah. - And now that I'm a fitness person. - You're a fitness person. You're doing Pilates. You're, I just tried an arm workout with Bob the other day. - How was it? - What was the arm workout itself? Or was it working out with Bob? Like what was the. - I love spending time with Bob. But you liked working out with Bob. - No. - Okay. - Well, I will never like to work out. - Right. - Like I do Pilates. I don't love to do it, but I just do it because I have to. - Yeah. - But like, I don't like gyms. I don't particularly like the vibe or environment in a gym. I don't really like moving my body in that way. - Yeah. - No. I'm not gonna focus on the negative. - Yeah. - Working out isn't for me. - That's not focusing on the negative, but I think that one's okay. I don't think I would bring it up on a first date, but yeah. - Okay. - That, yeah. It's just more about like the things you love. Like what do you, like, do you, is there a way that you like to move your body? Like do you like to go on long walks? Do you like to go? - I love to walk. - This is great. This is good to walk. - I love to walk. - Yeah. Where? Do you like to go to the park? Do you just like to walk? Like, honestly, just walk. - Yeah. - Just like walk to the next thing or whatever. - Or wherever, just go for a walk. - Yeah. That's nice. - That's honestly most of my first dates are just like, let's just go grab a coffee and walk around. - I love that as a first date. I think that's so fun. - Yeah. That's about the only movement that I get is walking. Walking is the best movement you can get. - And now Pilates. - I think. And now Pilates. - Right. - Running is actually randomly like so bad for you. - I'm not running. - I would like to. I want to get this thing that people are talking about. I don't do. I've tried a couple times. Well, I did was hurt my back and my legs, but I tried track one time growing up and I got shinspons immediately and I only scored one point. And my mother said she had never been more embarrassed of me in my life, her life. And I did musical theater. So that's saying something. - Your mom said that? - She did. In her defense, I was embarrassingly bad. I limped around the track. The whole audience had to wait for me to finish before they could set up the next event. - And I don't know why I joined 'cause I don't run. - Yeah. - But I did it because I thought the shorts were cute. - Yeah. - And they are. - And I was straight at the time. - They're cute. How long were you straight? - Till college. I had a girlfriend in high school. - Really? - Yeah. - And where is she? - Married with two kids. Shout out Brittany. Brittany, thank you, girl. Did you guys-- - She's a nurse practitioner. She's really doing the thing. Did you guys state out her prom dress when we went to prom? - I knew that. - Did you guys stay together when you went to college or was it over by then? - No, it was over by then. - I got it, okay. - I came to college here in the city and basically came out that year. - Yeah. - And did she come to the city too or did she go somewhere else or? - She was a year older. She stayed in Pennsylvania, went to college there. - Oh nice. - Yeah, yeah. - Shout out Brittany. - Yeah, shout out Brittany. She had really her life was great. Have you seen her recently? - I haven't. We messaged each other. I mean, like once in a blue moon, but I mean, we follow each other on socials. She really, her, she's wonderful kids, wonderful husband, a great job. They just bought a huge house. - Whoa. - She's really doing the thing. - Damn, you should have her on your podcast. - I should. - That'd be a great interview. - I did. I chose her prom dress. It was floral and beautiful. And do you stand by it to this day? - 100%. - Yeah, it was a great dress. - Yeah, yeah. I don't stand by what I wore, but. - What'd you wear? - It was like a light gray tux. I looked like P.B. Herman. (laughing) - But I had Zach Efron's sort of high school musical hair. - There you did not. - I was obsessed with high school musical. - Oh my God. - I went and saw it nine times in theaters. - That's also a tell, yeah. - And I stole the decorations from the movie theater to decorate my locker. - Oh wow. (laughing) - Wow, that should bring that up on a first date. - Yeah, I think that's actually pretty fun. - Okay. - I thought you guys, I would like to hear that. I think that's nice. - You'd rather hear that than things I don't like. - Totally. And also anything weird or kind of anything, yeah, things that are, things you did as a kid are far enough in the past that it's like, yeah, if it's really silly, like going and seeing that movie nine times. Like if you told me right now that you had gone and seen like the latest teen movie nine times last week and you stole the decorations for your house, you'd be concerned. - Be different, right? But things you did as a high school are like, "Huh, that's fine." funny. That's cute. Nick, I'm here for you. I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. You get 10 or more correct. We're gonna give you 50 US dollars. You ready? I'm pretty good at true and false. I believe you actually. You ready? I'm ready. Sometimes people say that and I'm like, I don't know, but I actually think you're gonna be good at this. Okay. Judy Garland's real name was Irene Morgan. False. False. Francis gum. Duane Reed is older than Walgreens. True. False. The Green Bay Packers won the first ever Super Bowl. What? False? True. The human circuitatory system is over 60,000 miles long. False. True. What? The baby on the Simpsons is named Maggie. True. True. New Milford, Pennsylvania has a population of 1100 people. False. False. It's 812. Blue whales are the largest animals that have ever lived on earth. True. True. RuPaul was born in San Francisco. False. False San Diego. The tonight's show is older than the today's show. True. False. The Green Canyon is in New Mexico. I've never thought about that. No, I've never been there. Isn't it in multiple states? So I'm gonna say false. False. It's in Arizona. Blue Ridge High School does not have a boys' wrestling team. False. True. Mercury is the farthest planet from the sun. What? False. False. It's the closest. Muhammad Ali was six foot three. Oh, true. True. The Tony and Tony Awards are short for Antoinette. I'm gonna say false, but I wish it was true. It is true. Oh, there are no, there are no Duncan locations in Italy. It's true. How do you do? Ten. Whoa. And an addendum and addendum. There is a boys' wrestling team. There it is. I give that to you. I had to go and talk to you. Thank you. But the school so small, it was almost impossible to find out. And the only reason I know is because when I was there just a couple of years ago, it was like the only sport that would win awards was like the boys' wrestling team awards. It was the only sport that would win awards. You know, the totally competitions. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, your wrestling story is one of my favorite stories. I need to figure out if I'm gonna put that in my next hour. It's so funny. Thank you so much. I love that one. It didn't make it into the last hour, but I feel like I might squeeze it in the next one. You did it at the bellhouse when I went and saw it. It was so funny. Thanks, Nick. It's so funny. That's so sweet of you. Before you go, I want you to tell me what are three things you're gonna do before you come back on the show. So eight to 15 months from now, typically is like I will have you back on the show. So you will have you back on the show. What are three things? I'm trying to start asking people this. Okay. What are three things that you'll do before then? Okay. Okay. We're gonna check in on them. Okay. I am going to. Well, I don't want to say go on a date because 18 months from now, I would like to have gone on a date, but I will try to go on numerous dates with one person. Okay. We're gonna try to get multiple dates deep with one person by the way. Yes. Okay. Put this down somewhere. Got it. Okay. Multiple. Yes. That's one thing. Write it down. Yes. Two. I'm gonna do a career one. I would like to get representation and perform more in addition for more things. Okay. Get representation and perform more in addition for more things. We're gonna count those all as well. Yeah. Okay. Representation and all that it entails. Yes. Got it. And three, I would like to find a vegetable that I genuinely like. Oh, okay. We can work on this. Yeah. I like that. Do you haven't had any luck with any of them so far? Vegetables. So if you had to twist my arm, I would eat a brussel sprout. That's a wild. I like brussel sprouts. But that's just a what usually non-vegetable one. But like I'm not like it has to be a brussel sprout. I want a brussel sprout. It's more so like, well, I have to eat healthy. So if I have to eat healthy, I guess a brussel sprout is the only one that I can like choke down. Yeah. But I would like to find a vegetable because they do visually look good in appealing. Yeah. I would like to find one that I'm like. I really like eating this vegetable. Have you spent much time around the squash family of foods? Does that count as a vegetable? Well, that's a vegetable, right? Like butternut, honey nut, squash. I haven't spent a lot of time, but I haven't. I've tried a bite. Yeah. And it wasn't for you. Not for me. Yeah. I'm broccoli's a no go. So broccoli and asparagus are the other two that like sounds like you've listed three vegetables already that you're pretty comfortable with. But I don't like them. They're just ones that I'm like, okay, I'm trying to eat healthier. So they're the only ones that I can choke down. Right. You're palatable. Right. I want to find one that I'm like, wow, I really enjoy eating this corn. You're getting you're getting the corn salsa at Chipotle. So I do get the corn salsa, but I have them only put a little bit. And so I don't know it's fair. Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah. That's totally makes sense. Okay. So we're going to and you're not liking. You're not doing the fajita peppers. I'm assuming. No. Right. I can't do spicy. I'm trying truly trying to think of what they have at Chipotle that we can start with because I'm like, that feels like the easiest. I don't mind onions. That's a vegetable, right? Or is that a fruit? Onions are a vegetable, I believe. Yeah. Okay. Because you know how tomato. They're like, tomato is really cracked my whole world view open. When they started doing fruit with tomato, I was like, well, I might not know anything. I still don't like tomatoes. And any circumstance? I guess I'm marinara sauce, but like the tiniest amount. It's just touching the noodle. I don't want it like swimming in the noodle. Yeah. But onions I could do, but not always. Yeah. Onions aren't a very substantive vegetable. I'd like to get something that can really like something hardy. I'd like to get into something hardy. Sure. Mushrooms are the devil's vegetable. Mushrooms are not even a vegetable. They're a fun guy. So don't talk to me. When people try to find guys vegetables, I don't believe so. They both come from the ground. That's a great question. Chance Google. Also, I need a BLT for lunch so bad. Michelle, can we find a BLT for lunch? I want a BLT crazy style. Oh, they fun guy, including mushrooms are not vegetables. They belong to their own distinct biological kingdom separate from plants. Oh, boom. It really makes you think. It makes you think. So that's the third thing we're going to get a vegetable that you like. And mushrooms don't even have to be in the picture. Yes. Okay. I love it. I love it too. Oh, you know what we need to know before you go. Am I so true? What's so true to you? I keep forgetting to do that. The name of the show. Truly. What is so true to me? I feel like we did a lot of so true is this episode. Yeah. Okay. When I was very little, one of my grandmothers would say this constantly and I quoted to this day and I find it to be so true. You win some. You lose most. Most. That is really interesting. You win some. You lose most. What does that mean to you? It means most things that you do will not turn into anything or not be good or anything. But there will be sprinkles of things that really are. Do you find it like motivating energizing to think of most things not working out? And some like, how does it, does it feel negative or positive to you? I think a little bit of both. I think it's a very real thing. I mean, that's life. Not everything is going to work out. Even the most successful people in the world that you see, not everything worked out for them. Yeah. So odds are if you go in with the mindset that you win some and you lose most, I think you're managing your expectations. You're not going in being like, I'm going to win most and only lose here and there so that if it doesn't turn into anything or you fumble at something and it's like, well, you win some, you lose most. I think I have the thing you were talking about going into things and thinking you're going to win most and lose a few. That's I think my thing. And interestingly, that's Bob's thing as well and you two are some of the most successful people I know. So maybe I need to change my mindset. No, but I like, I'm not. Yeah, I like them both. I just think I have, I think I tend more towards the idea that I'm going to win most things and just lose a few. But I think it's also and it doesn't even necessarily have to do with like events or functions or anything in that sense. I think I use it towards even like people and fans. I mean, you know, some people, they genuinely like, if someone doesn't like them or someone leaves a bad comment or something, it has ruined their entire week to a month year. Yeah. And to me, I just constantly go with the mindset of you win some you lose most. The likelihood of everyone liking you is never going to happen. Yeah. So I don't care if people don't like me. Yeah. In the comments, they can say the meanest things they want to me makes me laugh. I don't give a shit. Yeah. Yeah. You win some you lose most. Yeah. I read something recently about the way that all these like looks, maxing right wing guys are actually submissive. Like they're submissive to the expectations of other men and like like the way that they're like trying to shape an form and mold themselves into being what other men think of as good looking men. And I was really interested by that. And I've been thinking about it a lot. The number of people in the culture right now that are supposedly trying to take up this like powerful, tough person persona. And then they're just so weak and hollow that it's like, I mean, Donald Trump's a perfect example. JD Vance is actually a better example of just insert Republican man. Right. Totally. I mean, but the purest example of it is somebody like JD Vance, who's like, he tries to posture as this like tough guy like, we're not having this bullshit from the Democrats, you know thing. I'm DeSantis. Yeah. And then just hollow flip flopping, morally vacuous, like fucking loser, pathetic, like JD Vance flipping on Trump, just so he can get a position is like the most pathetic week shit I've ever seen in my life. And then they try to posture like they're like the new authority on manhood. It's insane. Oh, Lindsey Graham. Well, Lindsey Graham's a different example. Lindsey Graham's a different thing. He's flip flopping. All right. But it's, but it's not on the issues. He's looped up in its San Francisco alleyway, getting fucking turned into a Muppet. Truly, truly. And then the next week will be in Congress being like, this is what should be. Yeah, it's insane. It's completely insane. Yeah, but he, yeah, there's, yeah, it's an interesting split. A lot of these newer Republican guys are really obsessed with the manliness, manhood, protect our men and boys thing. It's over the women. Well, yeah, but they're, yeah, they're, I mean, like you talk about Lauren Bober and Marjorie Taylor Green and those people. It's like, I don't, their particular pathologies are beyond me. I don't understand enough about what's going on with, I don't understand how a woman gets that far gone because I have so much, I think like women are so much more naturally intelligent smarter than that. That I, it's hard for me to process. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, with men, it makes so much more sense. I mean, I have theories of how they got over, but right. Well, mostly Q and on. I think is short. Yeah. You're comments usually love you, right? I don't really read them anymore. Only every once in a while one will make it through to me. Like it'll get screenshot it and DM to me a bunch and I'll happen to catch it when I'm like viewing my stories or whatever. But for the most part, I don't read. I don't care. I don't care what I just don't care. I read them because I find it funny. Yeah. But truly nothing offends me. Yeah. I did see some people got genuinely mad at me when I did trixies makeup because I didn't do a good job. Some, some, a couple of her fans got genuinely mad at me. Like someone, someone was like, someone, someone commented and was like, it looks like Caleb's never seen a person before, which was funny and not a big deal. And then some of her pride and was like, actually, he really enjoys making people look stupid. And once you realize that, it's hard to not see. And it's like, I feel like I was just fucking around with my friend, actually. Right. I don't think we get from you doing a bad job at makeup to the here crazy. But this is the thing of like strangers on the internet who have no power in their lives, making like crazy wild drawn out assumptions about these strangers that like that person has a pair of social relationship with both me and Trixie. Trixie in a positive way, me in a negative way. And so yeah, sometimes the comments, that's why you have to, I can't read anymore. I don't see almost any of it. Yeah. They genuinely, I again, we mutually know some people that comments really, I know, send them. But for me, I don't know why it's truly nothing. I mean, I genuinely, I had famously Lizzo make a video calling me the failure of the US education. And every comment was our fans being like, yeah, Nick might not know anything, but he's hours. Yeah. Yeah. He's hours. Yeah. And it might be an idiot, but he's already. All right. Well, and she's not wrong. But it's like, she's not, but no, I think she is. I don't think you know, your education system, who's your favorite musician right now that you're like obsessed with listening to, um, been listening to a lot of Amber Mark been listening to a lot of Orion's son been listening to what else have we been listening to Michelle? We've been listening, those are the big ones. We've been big. What's that? Olivia Dean. Oh, I've been putting Michelle through hell. Okay. Have you listened to Sienna Spiro? I was on Sienna Spiro a long time ago. That's who I'm obsessively. I was on Sienna Spiro before the red bone cover. I was there. I was, I was there. Uh, yeah, I, I've been putting Michelle through hell with the Olivia Dean. Oh my god. What's the, um, the fucking let alone the one you love? Let alone the one you love. I have been putting Michelle through the ringer with let alone the one you love. We've been listening to it five times a day. Minimum. I'm on that. She's just what I and I feel same about Sienna. They're just artists that you can't listen to multiple times in a day because it's just so easy. Yeah. Yeah. Goddamn. I, I really wasn't into Olivia Dean, but I was, I was with Olivia Dean also a long time ago. I've been so happy to see her blow up because I was back like when she had the album cover of her in the little Jean shorts, the white album cover or like the, the purple one where she, uh, the, the record that she put, um, I could be a florist. That, do you know that track? No. Really? She's been putting out great music for a very long time. Can I actually say something that maybe I shouldn't admit? Tell me now. I don't really listen to much music. That's okay. Like I don't have a Spotify account, Apple music, none of that. If I ever listen to music, I pull it up on YouTube. Wow. But that's the hardest way to do it, but that maybe that's why. Tova, my manager tova doesn't listen to music at all. Yeah, I don't and I have an opera background. I performed almost my whole life, but we sing opera for us right now. I won't. I did on Anderson Cooper's talk show. Why would you do it for Anderson Cooper and not me? Well, it was random. I wasn't supposed to. Yeah. I, my boyfriend at the time I was here for college and we got tickets to Anderson Cooper's very short-lived talk show. And the opening comic was like out in the audience, warming people up. And she came to a spot and she was like, this is Anderson's favorite spot to stand. And it happened to be right next to my chair. And I was like, oh, this is cool. She's like, so let's practice. If he talks to you, you just stand up. So she turns to me. I stand up. And she's asking me questions. She's like, what do you do? And I was like, I sing opera and she's like, sing for me. And I was like, it's seven in the morning. You guys didn't provide coffee. I'm not singing. So then they went and got me coffee. They made me sing. Yeah. I didn't think anything of it. The show went on halfway through the show. They came up and they go, what was the name of the Aria you sang? And I told them they're like, okay, show goes. It's the end of the show. I see Anderson walking out to the audience to end of the show. He stops right next to me. The producers come and they go, Nick, we need you to stand up. And I go, okay, and they go, you're going to sing the episode out. I go, what? And they go, you're on in three, two, what I was like, what? And Anderson was like, every day we learn about our audience. And Nick here's going to sing an Aria. And I just stood there and sang. But you want to hear the really beautiful part? Yeah. My grandma, who's passed and one of truly my favorite people ever to exist, never watches the Anderson Cooper talk show. And that morning happened to have it on in the background. She called me and she was just like, were you just on the Anderson Cooper talk show? I never have it on. All of a sudden I heard in the other room, you're singing voice and I go, I know who that is. No, that's so sweet. That makes me want to cry. I know. That's so sweet. I never knew who he had a talk show, by the way. It was one season. Yeah, no worries. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and I sang on live with Kelly and Michael. You sing on every show, but mine. I ask you to sing and I play the fool, but every time in 18 months, in 18 months, after you add number four, after you've done multiple dates with one person, gotten reputation and found a vegetable you like. And I'll sing on this podcast. Thanks for coming on, Nick. Love you. Thank you. Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all day comfy grip. Try new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Maybe it's Mabelie.