NFL Trade Deadline Winners and Losers: Kirk Cousins to the Vikings, 49ers Add Keenan Allen, and Stupid Court

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Literally anything would have been cool. Do something. Do something. Also, a key update on Stupid Court on whether or not you could eat a small house over the course of your lifetime. All that and more after the break. This episode is presented by Verizon. Let me tell you all about Verizon's new Simplicity plan. You get one plan, one price, just $30 a line per month, even for a single line. So while everyone is running four trade analyzers before offering a backup tight end, Verizon said one plan, one price. Sometimes the simplest move is the best one, like the Simplicity plan. Head to verizon.com today. For new customers who switch to Verizon, $30 per line includes auto pay and Switch discount. Additional taxes, fees, and terms apply. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz, and I'm joined in person in Los Angeles for the trade deadline by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck. We're here. I'm excited. I like Danny. I like Danny. Trade deadline's over. We usually, Wednesday, power hour, we power rank something. We're power ranking all the trades at the trade deadline. We're going to do awards. We're going to do winners, losers, all these other stupid categories I made up like 20 minutes ago for the trade deadline. We're going right into it. Winners, spoiler, the Vikings got Kirk Cousins. Yeah. I think that makes them a winner. I think. Are they the winner to you? I think so because to me, without Kirk Cousins, without any semblance of an offense, they're kind of dead in the water. I mean, their defense can take them far. I don't know. If their defense alone could have taken them deep into the playoffs to the Super Bowl, I think with at least a functional offense, they can be a Super Bowl contender. They can be a Super Bowl type team. I think. I don't know if the Vikings offense is going to be awesome now, but it's definitely going to be better. Better. You were not inspired last. We went to this bar last night. You were not inspired by Carson Wentz having the lowest passer rating since before COVID. One of the worst offensive games we've ever seen. It was literally for 25 passes in a game, the last passer rating as bad as Wentz last night was literally Sam Darnold in the seeing ghosts game, which ruined his life. Really? That was how bad Wentz was. Yeah, that says a lot. And obviously, it's nice that Kirk Cousins has familiarity with the Vikings, with the coach, with the receiver, Justin Jefferson. He's got to be ecstatic right now because he finally gets a guy. He's really the biggest winner. He actually probably is the biggest winner of this. And also just the Vikings defense doing some kind of like mutiny against the offense. Like now there's going to be a little bit more harmony, I imagine. It's an underrated dynamic in NFL teams that sometimes. Sometimes when there's an imbalance, the defense, like there's a fear that they'll beat the shit out of the head coach. And like that's an underrated. It's just, you know, the defense, I bet, is very. There's almost animosity probably towards the offense right now at this point because the way that they're playing out of their minds. I mean, what they were able to do for most of that game last night against the Bills, great offense, put them in a position to win and the Vikings offense just couldn't do anything. Craig, do you think this is like third round pick for Kirk? Do you think it's smart or it's desperate? No, it's not desperate. You have the best defense in the league. And you've just lost two games and you're still 6-2. Kirk has the second in the NFL in touchdown passes. Clearly, regardless of how good you think Kirk is, Kirk is a competent quarterback right now in the NFL. He's 38 years old. He's two years removed from the Achilles. But like he has proven that to me, he's good enough, especially with a defense like Minnesota's, that like they can win games in the playoffs now. I don't think they could before. I think they can now. And to me, that's worth a third round pick. Yeah, I mean, there's an element of chasing your own tail here because they literally got rid of Kirk and Kirk Cousins to get Sam Donald like three years ago. And then they got rid of Sam Donald. Yeah, like the larger Minnesota quarterback situation, kind of a disaster. We can figure that out later. But right now, I think you have to do this. I agree. They screwed it up. I mean, again, the Vikings could have very easily come into the season with Kirk Cousins and J.G. McCarthy. And instead, they ended up with Carson Wentz and Kyler Murray. And so they paid the third rounder and they got the worst of the third rounders that the Raiders, sorry, they gave up the worst of the third rounders, which is actually a good one because the Raiders had another pick and they got the later one. So it's the price you have to pay because I'm not even getting into like, you know, letting Donald go and him winning a Super Bowl. But for everything you said, like Justin Jefferson, he led the league in every category the last time he was with Kirk Cousins for a full season. Like literally like 1,800 receiving yards, like 130 catches, like led the league in first downs. And then even before Kirk Cousins tore his Achilles, like they were kind of cooking. So they could have had him for free and free agency for no draft capital. But yeah, the question I have is, do you actually think the Vikings will win the NFC North now because this is the most competitive division of all time. Right now, if the season ended, every team in the NFC North, all four teams would make the playoffs. So do you actually think they will win the division now? I honestly think like maybe yes. I think it's pretty impressive now that you look and go, wow, they were six and two with Carson Wentz and Kyler Murray. The fact that they were six and two with those two and now they have Kirk Cousins, who as long as he can stay healthy, you look at their schedule, they play the Packers and the Niners, two tough games. And then after that, the rest of the season is a really winnable schedule, dude. They play Atlanta, Carolina, Detroit, Washington, the Jets. I'm like, I think this team is staring at 12 wins now. What do you think, DK? I think, yeah, I do think it makes them, if you think about the most balanced teams in the NFL right now, the ones that come to mind are the Bears, the 49ers possibly, or at least in the NFC. I would say the Jaguars are the most balanced team. Jags in the AFC. But I think in the NFC, this makes them one of the most balanced teams. They could be one of the most balanced teams in the NFL. And I think that's huge because, again, you just cannot rely on your defense to win you games every single game. You have to have a little bit more balance, a little more harmony on both sides of the ball. You have to have more than one pitch. And right now, the Vikings are just, we have to all-out blitz at like 80% in order to win any of these games. Like take Monday night, for example. They lost to Buffalo, right? 23-6. The first half of that game, they were dominating Josh Allen. And Josh was. They were making his life hell. Completely. He didn't look like a. He looked powerless. They couldn't get a first down. They couldn't run the ball. Josh threw a terrible interception. It was a mess. And then, Josh broke them down. And that's what Josh does. So they ended up scoring 23 points. But like, the defense gave in over time because the offense had six points. If you have Kirk Cousins now against Buffalo's defense, Kirk can get you 20, 27 points in a game. So I even think the motivational aspect that this will provide the defense is just as important. I think the defense will be better now because of Kirk Cousins. Well, you don't have to be perfect now. Yeah. You can like play a little more free. Every little tiny thing that you do wrong, it's like, oh, we may have just lost the game there. Do you think this is the best quarterback they could have gotten? Yes, because it's adding a quarterback midseason, you have a quarterback that you had on your team for two years with Kevin O'Connell. I'm like, that's the answer. It was reported they went after, they like called about Justin Herbert, charges hung up. Gino, they went after. But like, you go down the list of quarterbacks. Have any of these people gotten Justin Jefferson 1,800 yards in a season? Yeah, get that guy. Like, it's not complicated. Like, one of them did that. Right. So you get that person and I think this is the right move. And he's familiar with Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. He's just hit the ground running. Even the season he got hurt, like Kirk was playing really well that season too before the injury. I think it makes sense. I think Chicago and Minnesota, I would take them over Detroit and Green Bay. And I think Minnesota, we should check the odds right now. What are they? I'll pull it up. So before I even look at it, I think the Lions are actually the worst team in this division now. I think that's right. When you said not over Green Bay, I was like, man, Green Bay's been really good too. Yeah. The whole division, it's tough. It's hard to say that the Vikings will win, but. I worry about the one-natured offense for Green Bay. I don't know. I'm like, if Christian Watson pulls a hammy, the whole thing could collapse and they can't run the ball at all. So I get a little worried about that. Yeah, that's fair. So here, I'm pulling the odds up right now. Wait, I can't find it because I'm a boomer. But to miss playoffs, I'm just going to use miss playoffs as a proxy. Vikings are 2-1 it's kind of shocking Oh, the Lions are 3-1 to miss the playoffs. What are you trying to find? Oh, I gave up. He's trying to find the division odds. Let me dive in. Oh, maybe they're down right now. Oh, they're down. Yeah, that makes more sense. Okay. So let's keep rolling then. Who's your winner, Craig? The trade deadline. I do think the Vikings are the top winner. I think a close second is Jacksonville, who traded for Jesse Bates to safety and Jordan Davis from the Eagles, as well as Godshaw. When you look at how many teams acquired a blue chipper at this trade deadline, you think of Chicago. I guess you could say Kirk Cousins is a blue chipper, perhaps. And then you look at Jordan Davis. And Jacksonville's defense, who was allowing the second least amount of points per game in the NFL, now just got Jordan Davis and Jesse Bates. They're rounding out to be one of the most complete teams in the NFL now. And there's not many teams with a quarterback like Trevor Lawrence. And they just acquired a blue chipper in Jordan Davis. And I'm like, they also didn't give up Brian Thomas. They didn't give up Brian Thomas Jr., which I thought was also smart. Depth. Totally. I think everybody overestimated the Jaguars receiver room, where you're like, you have Parker Washington, who's great. Jacoby Myers is a really solid player. But then I'm like, okay, you have Josh Cameron and Travis Hunter. You have Brenton Strange. If Parker Washington twists an ankle and then you've traded away Brian Thomas Jr., you're now looking at a receiver room that's just like Jacoby Myers and guys who haven't had a lot of reps. And I don't believe you can win like that. Like, looking at Seattle last year, them going to get Shahid mattered a lot. Yeah. Secondary guy. Maybe Brian Thomas isn't doing a lot now, but he's still talented. And I think he could still be very useful in the playoffs. I'm like, I don't know why you would just give him to the Chiefs. Right. Or give him to the Bills. Or like a fourth or whatever it is. Yeah. Because he's clearly talented. I just don't know why you'd do that. So I thought they were smart across the board. They paid a lot for Jordan Davis. I was going to say. They think they could win the Super Bowl this year. Though they better make the Super Bowl because they give up all these picks. I mean, they give them up five first or second round picks over a five-year period for these players. And so, again, we had never seen a safety trade. More safeties were traded for more than a fourth round pick in the last 24 hours than the previous 15 years. So they gave up a second rounder for Jesse Bates. They gave up a first and a second for Jordan Davis. And it's like, oh, is it a smart or not? Honestly, everyone will change their opinion based on whether they make the Super Bowl or not. If they make the Super Bowl, great job. If they don't, that was stupid. Fuck them picks. We'll make fun of him for being Doogie Howser and looking like he's 19 years old as the GM. And if the Jaguars make the Super Bowl. I don't know if it'll be seen as stupid if they don't make the Super Bowl. You get what they did. But guess what? The fuck them picks with the Rams, if they had not won the Super Bowl, everyone would probably think that was really stupid. And we'd probably think about Sean McVay really differently. We'd probably think about the Rams really differently. And this guy came from less, he doesn't have a traditional football background. So like, it better work. All their eggs are in this basket now for this two-year window. I just like that they're not fucking around. Yeah. You know, Devon Hamilton tore his quad and he's out for the season. And they replaced him with Jordan Davis. And I'm like, I- And Devon got you. It's fun. It's fun. It's one of those where it's like, it better work. But I mean- And I do respect them going for it. Because again, the thing we always talk about, who's trying to win the Super Bowl versus who's trying to not just be slow. Like the divisional races, sometimes it's like the NFC South. It's like, who's just not slower? You don't have to be faster than the bear, faster than your slowest friends. There's only so many teams actually trying to be faster than the bear and win. I will say the defense thing for the Jaguars is interesting to me because I think it's kind of like, the new thing with football is, it honestly, modern football to me is, it's six, seven. It's literally like, you just have to stop the run with seven people. Three, do you run a three? Three, four or four, three? Well, they're both seven, right? Do you really hear that anymore? Oh, look at this. Three, four, four, three. You kind of don't hear that anymore. We don't talk about four, three, three, four anymore. Never. You know why? Because the best teams do six. The Seattle Seahawks stopped the run with six people. That's not why it's harder to pass now and get explosive plays. But how do you stop the run with six? You need big fucking people. You have Leonard Williams and you have Byron Murphy on the defensive tackles for Seattle. You want to stop the run with six, you need big people. I think that's, to your point, that's a good, I think, reason or like a justification for why you would trade first and second round pick for a guy who's kind of more a run blocking, a run defending type defender. Exactly. Is it changes the math for the rest of your offense or defense. You see it as a, he's a linchpin of the defense or the straw that stirs the drink or whatever. There's all these cliches, but basically a guy that is going to help change the math for the rest of your defense, even if it's only on run defense, even if he's only playing 50% of the snaps, because I think he's like a 53 or 54% snap guy. He won't play. But that's the justification for doing that. Well, and what do you need to stop if you're in the playoffs and you're the Jags? You need to stop Josh Allen and James Cook in the NFC and you need to stop Kenneth Walker. And again, Tony Campanella, who's the defensive coordinator for the Jaguars, he worked for Flores. So there's doing all the weird Flores shit too, but he's got better talent now on the defensive line than the Vikings do, I think. And so again, you look at the Jags thing. Again, you play, I always, the Seahawks are how you play modern defense and the Vikings too, but it's so complicated. But the Seahawks, you stop at the run with six, you have big people. Dan Orlovsky pointed this out. Dan Orlovsky pointed this out at ESPN. The Jaguars might have the biggest defensive line of all time. That's very possible because, I mean, so Josh Hines-Allen, who's probably their best lineman, is 6'5", 260. He's like the smallest guy by a lot. You have Trevon Walker, who's the number one pick at defensive end. His wingspan's two inches shy of Giannis. 280 or something like that? Yeah, his wingspan's seven feet. Giannis is a 7'2". You got Jordan Davis. He ran a 4'7", 8", 40-yard dash. That's what Jarvis Landry ran. He's 330 pounds. Yeah. He's 330, ran a 4'7", 8". And you got. Oh, Eric Armstead is 6'7". So you have the biggest D-line in the NFL. They're all pretty athletic, too. And then you have the tackling linebacker, Ernest Jones, for the Seattle. It's like, I can never say his name. It's Foye Sade, Aloha Cone, who's a great tackling linebacker. But you need smart safeties. The Seahawks got Julian Love from the fucking Giants, gave him Julian Love. And now you have Jesse Bates. So you can run on the back and all this complicated shit. And you have Jesse Bates can, by the end of the season, quarterback it. So the Jaguars, you already had the best run defense. I think they. I actually kind of do think this will work. I do think this is the best team in the AFC. The best roster in the AFC. Certainly. And they're giving up a lot of picks. This team is really young and talented across the board. And I think they're like, okay, we don't have our picks. We're in a window now to attack. Let's go for it. But that leads to my winner, which is. I think the winner is the Philadelphia Eagles. And I hate to say it, but all the cliches are true. Sorry if I'm going to jerk off Harry Roseman, but Harry Roseman did it again. Jerk him off? Well, that's what everyone. We're glazing him or we're jerking him off? You made your bracket bust? But, dude, I think. The Eagles know how to lose. They goddamn right. They're the only team that actually. You lose fast. They know what they're doing. The Rahm Emanuel quote, you never waste a crisis. Like, every time the Eagles season burns down, they're the only ones who know to fucking fix it and turn that shit around. And you're like, oh no, are we going to have to maybe like move on from Jalen Hurts and reset? Completely. They're going to just. It's the opposite of the Chargers, really. Or the Colts. Look at the Colts. I love that the one guy that the Colts didn't charge, the trade was the running back. Yeah. We're like, oh, only a second. Fuck that. Even like two years ago, Jim Irsay, who's since passed, but even two years ago, he was still talking about Andrew Luck. Chris Ballard, the GM that's been fired, was still talking about Andrew Luck who retired in 2018. The Eagles have reset their team three times since then. And so the Eagles now have five. Sorry, ten picks in the first and second round in the next three years. Ten picks. And it's like, more first and second round picks have been flipped in the last. This year, basically, than any year ever. And who got like a third of them? It's the fucking Eagles have gotten all these picks. And it's like in a gold rush, you sell shovels. Howie is collecting all. Howie is collecting all these picks. And they're probably going to have like the fifth pick in the draft. Yes. And so they're tanking. And 2027, he saw ahead of time the 2028 draft. No one wanted to do 2027. So he got the 2028 picks. And I was like, oh, Arch Manning might go back to school and come out in 2028. Whatever happens. But you just look at. Again, Cam Juergens, who's the center, they drafted him in the second round. Got four years. Got four years out of him. Won a Super Bowl. Flipped him for a second round pick. So they got what they took him with four years later. They traded a first for A.J. Brown. Got the best four years of his career. Made two Super Bowls. Won one. A.J. Brown trade. Kind of is aging. Unbelievable. And then got a first, which is what they got rid of him for. We got him for. They drafted Jordan Davis in round one. Went to two Super Bowls. Won one. Flipped him for a first, which is what they paid. Now, it's a little dehumanizing. But like the reality is teams think of these contracts like depreciating assets in football. It's a violent game. Imagine driving a car for four years and then selling it for what you paid for. Because that's how he's dead in every freaking trade that he's made this year. It's ridiculous. And then on top of the Jordan Davis thing, I always like, it's like fantasy football. It's really the same thing. Well, if Jordan Davis is so good, why is he available? Well, what a game-changing, math-breaking player for the Jaguars. Why'd the Eagles trade him? Well, he had the year of his life last year in a contract year and he was really in shape. And he was a difference maker. And they paid him in March. And you know what? He's not in shape. His numbers are down this year a little bit. He was, he was good, good, good. And he's 99th percentile global athlete. Like he's 100th. Like he's literally runs a 4.78 at 330 pounds. But even at Georgia, couldn't play every down. Conditioning, that was the only problem with him. In the Eagles too, he's good. Last year was great. They paid him. Conditioning's down. He's not as much a difference maker. How he's like, fuck it. And he got rid of him for first. And it's like, that just makes sense. So we'll see. Was it because the Eagles season or was it the contract year? If he's not motivated in Jacksonville. God, I tried to hold in a sneeze. I couldn't do it. Sorry about that. Wow. No, it's okay. I didn't know where that was going. Kind of took the wig out. You know, it's all right. So when you hold in a sneeze, do you, where do you keep it? What? Well, you just did the sneeze. It came out your mouth. I feel like when I hold the sneeze, I can kind of block it at the sinuses. If I try. Coming out of your ears? Yeah, I'm kind of blocking it like back behind my eyes, I feel like. I feel like every, what are you talking about? I feel like it's in my, it's in my nose, in my mouth, right? Yeah. You kind of like, you kind of snort it out. That's kind of what I'm wondering. I'm like, where does it, when you're like, I stopped it. You're like, what happens to the sneeze? Well, because you can keep your mouth closed. You can't keep your nose closed. So I feel like it ends up coming out of your nose. Do you ever worry if it like goes, to your brain like it's like a shockwave backwards it's like you know what i mean recoil back sometimes i worry it hurts my brain to keep the sneeze in anyway uh yeah the eagles did a great job i'm really angry about it i know it is annoying that it's like even the season from hell for the eagles they're just gearing up for another rebirth that looks pretty good already they have like two first and two seconds in 2028 just like that they don't halfway it they're not you know what i mean we'll talk about other teams that are they understand which way the momentum is going and they continue to ride it and again the wire like the the greek the guy who actually supplies all the drugs is barely in the show but it's like quietly the puppeteer and he's like you buy for a dollar yourself or two like that's all it is or howie you buy for a dollar you get their prime out of them and then sell for a dollar and it's like it's not complicated just no one actually pulls it off and again we talked about this at length yesterday's episode i won't do it again but they also howie roseman they spend money to create picks like they are buying draft picks with money and they are spending money so that player contracts with bonuses are cheap and they're spending money to create picks and they're spending money to create so they are one of the reasons they're getting all these returns like why are they getting all these prices well they're spending the money so that they're paying a bunch of money for the guys they're trading away exactly they're eating money in exchange for picks which you can't get every owner to do the bengals are not going to fucking do that but the eagles and rams do it and they're as good so that's the thing is you you make money with money and like the eagles are the best team at that because they spend the most money anyway next category best move sorry best small move by i don't know if you like that the chiefs traded for josh downs yeah i think this is going to really matter palace arrow broke it uh our guy at the ringer tommy p i don't know if he likes that name but i like tommy p you try it out yeah the chiefs got josh downs in his seventh they gave up a fourth and a fifth josh downs 25 years old and just thinking about the receivers that mahomes has had i think already josh downs is the second best receiver versus man coverage that mahomes has ever had who was the first tyree gill but like yeah yeah yeah i totally agree you cannot name any guys who can just beat a defender one-on-one against man that mahomes has ever had i mean you can win quick look at the team right now it's like rashid rice is basically a travis kelsey replacement not a man beater xavier worthy couldn't break out of a phone booth well the chiefs have had man beaters okay true uh perhaps poor verbiage from me there right travis kelsey is is past his prime josh downs is to me like now like an essential part of this game and i think that's the thing about man coverage is that it's completely different that nobody else on the chiefs has because they always get fast guys who aren't quick yes if you're where he's fast he's not quick yes thornton's fast he's like an italian greyhound he just runs straight yeah and he weighs like 80 pounds that's pretty good he does that's a good comp yeah like that yeah so i i don't know i think there are greyhounds that weigh more than xavier worthy for sure josh downs his like his separation ability so he is a guy that people have been waiting to break out year after year and he's been kind of like stuck on his crappy offense yeah and now i look i don't know how like statistically if he's going to be like incredible but i think on the field in real life he's going to to make a big difference i think statistically he will be kind of incredible and not necessarily in like leading the league and everything but fantasy if you full ppr i think you will get tons of targets yeah statistics this year so i don't care he's been mentally checked out on the cults for about a month he's really good he's only 25 years old like i think he's going to be getting like six to eight catches a game yeah i think i mean especially just look at yeah to reiterate to reiterate what you guys said basically all the receivers on the chiefs right now are just zone beat beater type guys guys you can manufacture touches for them but when you have to have a play on third and six or third and eight get get a guy who can go beat man coverage that's kind of important those those key leverage high leverage situations are good and that's i think that's where downs comes in he's something that they don't have um and frankly do you know kelsey used to be able to be that guy that could win over the big play element now that tyreek hill used to serve and kelsey both he can still sit in his zone but you don't really have any like josh downs is now kind of the underneath option around ken if that makes sense he's kind of i mean he's not underneath he's underneath with anything but he just they honestly they need josh downs on play action and i think it'll change their offense so we'll see dk who's your like your little teensy-tinesy move that you think really helped a contender i mean this is the 49ers season in a nutshell is the fact they traded for uh 33 year old keenan allen sorry 34 year old keenan allen from the colts yeah i think they're going to be didn't have to give up a lot but i do think it will matter for them keenan allen's still a guy that can get you buckets niners need warm bodies yeah and honestly you know it's funny because the 49ers are the most injured team in the nfl over the last like four or five years or whatever if you look at all the stats the weighted uh injury rate for the starters and all that stuff the most injured team in the nfl and then they went out this off season and during this season and just find the oldest guys have you ever gotten just enough gas for your car to just get where you're going because that's kind of what you could do yeah yeah exactly get a couple bucks like put five bucks in it we'll get to the next exit dude i was just gonna say that to me keenan allen is not like the guy who they want because in the playoffs he's gonna matter he's there to like just get them through the next month yeah yeah because mike evans literally mike evans is out i think longer than people thought debo i think is going to come back this week i think there's hope that dejon strickland could maybe come back in the playoffs or something like that december this is like so like brock purdy has somebody to throw to this month totally and then everybody can hopefully come back yep and now so yeah like you said mike evans is going to come back and he's going to come back and he's going to come back and he's going to sounds like he might miss a little bit more time he's kind of you know achilles four different injuries that he's nursing like look we want mike evans healthy for the playoffs can you imagine if i told you in 2019 that the 49ers would have christian mccaffrey keenan allen mike evans debo samuel george kittle like this is the best 2019 team of all time brandon cooks christian kirk trent williams yeah it's like that nets team that had harden and kairi and durant paul pierce that one yeah it's literally eight years after these guys we were talking about this when the trade happened but it's every single one of the like receivers that are going to do anything on this team for the next like month we're born in the 1900s yeah dude the 2013-14 brooklyn nets the 2014 nets paul pierce kevin garnett deron williams that was sick darren williams um joe johnson real quick going down the list keenan allen's 34 mike evans is 33 devo's 30 brandon cooks is 33 demarcus roberts johnson's 32 kittle's 33 and christian mccaffrey's 30. i was making the joke that only like five people will get but when you look at our lads which is all the rosters if you're over 30 they put your name in all caps the 49ers roster is fucking screaming at us just all caps it's like an oriole manual email yeah um because yeah i mean and then like trent williams if you look at their whole roster their whole one's the oldest offensive line in the nfl starters on their offense that are under 30 one of us purdy and then two of them are linemen so yeah it's it's an interesting strategy but it is kind of what they just had to do right here it is funny that the niners like two years from now their offense will be unrecognizable to the like their roster yeah like i i how many players on the niners right now on the offense will be on the team in two years other than brock purdy yeah dominic pooney or stribling stribling and yeah so and well here's my question where are they on the list of teams you don't want to face in the playoffs because i just keep coming back to i think they're incredible and they've been one of the most fun teams to watch this year i'm just like is this really gonna work with all the injuries like if they were healthy i just picked them it's working right now i know but like can they can they actually because here's why i don't think i've ever i actually wonder if there's ever probably not been a team in the nfl as injured wire to wire that would win a super bowl they'd probably be the most injured team ever to win a super bowl it's different with quarterbacks getting hurt because purdy's healthy from knock on wood so like you're not supposed to knock on the table i actually thought of that as i did it but it's hard to change rather our producers don't want us to knock on the table because it rattles so i decided i'd rather fuck with cam than knock on the table like get blamed for brock purdy something happening to him but i think i look i think in the in their division i think it's gonna work because i think the rams are in a very tricky spot we'll get there in a second seattle same thing a little banged up darnold the playoffs is a different conversation because we're talking about like the nfc north and who the niners are gonna have to go through to get to the super bowl i think is going to be tough it makes more sense to just get a band-aid with keenan allen then pay a fourth and a fifth for josh downs when you're gonna need those picks to replace all these old freaking guys when they put them down so okay what was the trade for keenan what was it like a sixth uh i don't know that was your job i think it was a set i think it was a seven hold on i'll find it um yeah it i think it doesn't matter it was a late round seventh or sixth rounder something like that it's 2028 first 27 sixth round pick so 2027 sixth round pick my best small move by a contender i will say sneaky the one that happened really late which is the broncos adding a linebacker dan henley from the chargers not that that bad but i will say sneaky the one that happened really late which is the broncos adding a linebacker dan henley from the chargers not that that bad but i will say the raven so the trade was the ravens gave up so the ravens got jacoby brissett and a fifth and the cardinals got a fourth and a seventh i think this is both the best move the ravens could have made because with everything they've invested in the season a fourth rounder for jacoby brissett's a no-brainer and also i think the ravens are in a terrible spot i think they're in a bad spot they've been cursed ever austin's been talking about ever since that max crosby trade got nixed they have been cursed bad karma lamar thumb injuries bad karma trey hendrickson has quietly been awful like that i actually like like like on not unplayable but like he's been bad he's had a hand injury that made him worse and run to you like he's not been good for them the defense been worse than you than thought their big wins are over atlanta when tua came in and the titans were like the yeah we're not this team that blows leads anymore and you're looking and like they sent a second rounder for cam jurgens who that looks like a heist a little bit now by the eagles they had a trade for another center today like they had a trade for the falcons backup centers something today they gave up a sixth or seventh round pick so it's like you're already adding two centers so it's like i actually I hate where the Ravens are. I like this trade because you literally – I mean, Tyler Huntley, the backup quarterback, is out for the season. Lamar Jackson is out indefinitely. We don't know if Lamar comes back from this thumb injury. Obviously, can't throw a football without a thumb. We don't know how much touch he'll have. Look at Baker. We didn't throw a pass beyond the line of scrimmage for two weeks. He came back. But this is the best they could have done because they've burned the boats. But, like, I don't know, man. I think the Ravens have done more whack shit since they fired Harbaugh than they had in, like, I don't know, 10 years. Whack shit. This is just very – everything they've done is so un-Ravens-like. This is the team that's very disciplined, like the Patriots, lets guys hit free agency, collects compensatory picks, really disciplined. Ravens, I don't think they would have done that whole second rounder for Cam Juergens thing in the last 20 years. Really, 30 years. Since the team was founded, they wouldn't have done anything like that. It's desperate. This is a team that has lost to the Saints this year. They've lost to the Browns, and their only wins are against the Colts, Titans, Falcons, and Cowboys. That is bad. Like, I don't know. I – so, anyway, I know I'm – I like the move because it's like you have no other options. Yeah, I was going to say – But I'm worried. That's where I am, too, because you guys talk, and I'm like, I am worried about the Ravens. I call them Chargers East. They're just the Chargers with better branding. They are. They have become that. They're seemingly cursed. They get to the playoffs and then have, like, some really depressing loss. But at the end of the day, they couldn't go forward with Joey Fins. Like, that was just not going to happen. I do think Brissette's probably better than Huntley. I think he's an upgrade over what they would have gotten from Huntley. This is – Huntley's on the IR now or injured. It gives them a chance to be competitive at the very least. I don't think they're going to win a Super Bowl with Jacoby Brissette, but – This is why I get mad. This is maybe a boomer take. No one gives a shit. But this is why I get mad when teams don't roster three quarterbacks that you'd actually play in a game. Because the Cardinals, which are not a bastion of contending, but, like, they at least had Brissette, Gardner, Minshew, and Carson Beck. But the Ravens had Lamar, Tyler Huntley, and they had Joey Fignano. But then when Joey Fignano was to play, they literally were like, we'd rather have Derrick Henry do the fucking wildcat and hand him the ball than, like, Joey Fignano. Joey Fignano threw a football. I'm like, well, why the fuck is he on the team? Like, if he's not going to play when these guys get hurt – I know, bad luck. But you know what? Bad luck happens all the time. 13 quarterbacks play all the time. And then you have these – Yeah, actually. I think – I mean, this – Yeah. I mean, as long as they're Italian. Yeah. That's a good point. Anyway, I just – Who were we looking at yesterday who seemed – Max Brosmer. He looks Italian. He's looking up his mom's maiden name. I was trying to find his heritage. There was something there. I couldn't tell. Can I oppose this? I don't even believe this. This is really half-hearted. Is there a chance Baltimore could win the division still? That's why I like the trade is, yeah. Because the defense, I think, with Brissette, the defense could play better if the offense stops going – being unworkable. This team's 4-5. Obviously, the Steelers and the Bengals are 6-2. The Browns are 5-4. You look at Baltimore's schedule. They bring Brissette in who, you know, maybe competent is the nicest term you could use for Brissette. They play the Chargers, then the Panthers, then the Texans. Could they win two out of three of those games? I think yes. Then they play the Bucs, the Steelers, and the Browns. I think they could win two out of those three games. And then they play Cincinnati and the Steelers again. I'm like, I actually think the Ravens, there's a world in which they could win 10 or 11 games. I also think Brissette's a better passer than Huntley. Huntley is really mobile. I mean, it's weird because Lamar and Huntley go back to high school. They were like high school rivals. They were really athletic too. But, I mean, Brissette's a much better passer if not – probably doesn't have the arm. I mean, I think the Browns are going to continue to regress, and I don't think the Browns are going to make the playoffs. I know everybody's high on the Steelers. I think the Steelers are playing well. You never know with Rodgers. He could get hurt. You never know with the offense really. And then you have Cincinnati, sure. I'm kind of like – I think the division is more up for grabs than people think. We kind of do this all the time with the AFC North. And I don't know. 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DK, who's your biggest loser of the trade deadline? My biggest loser? I would say probably the Chargers. I love that. You talked about the Eagles. Just sitting on their hands at 0-8. Self-awareness. The Eagles were very self-aware, I feel like. They're like, we are not winning this year. We're not winning next year. We've pushed this thing as far as we can push it. And we're going to reset. We're going to get as many picks as we can. We're going to get rid of the assets that we can. We're going to get picks four. And the Chargers are sitting here. Worst team in the NFL. Vibes are through the floor. Like, terrible vibes. No one can figure out anything. This team might not win a game. Craig is saying they might go 0-17. You said that in week three, and I was like, this is stupid. And I'm like, fuck. And then they refuse to trade anybody. Now that they're playing Miami without Malik Willis, who's on IR now, maybe. But if they lose that game, then you're like, oh. Well, here's the thing. What's the first step to solving a problem? Admitting you have a problem. Yeah. They did trade Diane Henley, their linebacker. Okay, congrats. But that was it. Literally, they're in five stages. There's five stages of grief to a season. And there's grief. Like, when seasons go down, you mourn a season for players. The Chargers and Jim Harbaugh, who deserves the blame. Jim Harbaugh is still in stage one. He's in denial. They are literally like, he's never lost. I think Harbaugh is unwilling to admit that they're just going to give up on the season. Why? Because he's never done that. It might be denial. I'm almost thinking. Yeah. They can't do anything. Even his press conferences are like that. They don't even know what's going on. Well, because do you think if they sold everyone right now, don't you think that would be an admission that, hey, maybe next year even is also not a great year? And I feel like Harbaugh is unwilling to admit that, like, we're rebuilding. But they should also. But again, the Chargers were the Ravens. Everyone, Jim Harbaugh, related to John, Joe Ortiz, who is, you know, kind of DK's evil older brother doppelganger running the Chargers gym. They all came from the Chargers. The Chargers front office, sorry, came from the Ravens. The Ravens would. If the Ravens started out 0-9, they'd fucking trade Khalil Mack. He's on a one-year deal. Why is Khalil Mack not a Chicago Bear? That makes no sense to me. You get anything you can for him. And it's like just the idea that you would like, and again, do they need to go and, you know, get people in free agency next year? Well, you kept all these people. So if you want compensatory picks, you need to be disciplined. But they probably. It just. I just think it's denial. Like, it's really bad. Who's your loser, Craig? It's the Rams. It's the LA football. The Rams didn't trade for a wide receiver. What are we doing? They signed Xavier Smith. Who was on the Rams for the last three years. Practice squad. Then he was on the Niners. Now he's back on the Rams. So the Rams receivers now. So Pukunuku is going to be out for a while. Devontae Smith tore his hamstring. I mean, Devontae Adams tore his hamstring. We don't know when he's going to be back. Maybe the playoffs. Maybe. If they make the playoffs. So their receivers are now Jordan Whittington, who's hurt, Tutu Atwell, Kanata Mumfield, rookie CJ Daniels, and they just signed Xavier Smith. And they have Terrence Ferguson, who's probably their best receiving tight end. His outlook doesn't look great. McVay's even like. Yeah, I hope he comes back this year. Could be a couple more weeks, yeah. This is now easily, them and Indianapolis are the worst receiving rooms in the NFL. Yeah, can you read the names? Whittington, Atwell, Mumfield, CJ Daniels, Xavier Smith. I mean. And, yeah, I think you just said it, but Stafford's not feeling well. Sure. His elbow hurts. So I think, because my answer, I feel like hubris is the wrong word, but the timing was off. I think they, I'm sure they wanted to get a receiver. But the reality is, it's kind of like fantasy football. Have you ever actually tried to make a trade at the trade deadline in your league? If you haven't talked to anyone yet, it's kind of hard. You kind of need to sow the, like, you know, you were talking about the draft. No one's calling for the first time on the clock. Like, they've been talking about it. I think it was kind of too late. Like, Puka gets hurt. And then it's like Sunday night. And you're like, okay, hey, hey, you go to the building. You're like, hey, pro scouting department, we have 30 hours. Find me the candidates. Now, you're, they usually work on this for months. And there's some prep work done. But, like, you are now trying to go from scratch. And it's like, the Chiefs and Colts are already deep in talks on Josh Downs and all these things. And you're like, it's kind of too late to get a deal together. You could find someone. Like, Quentin Johnston. He can stay in the same building. Trade for him. Like, I can't believe they got nobody. Chargers wouldn't even think of that, Craig. No, of course not. They would not consider that. No, a fifth for Quentin Johnston? You're right that it is insane to think about what we were saying this year. It is insane. I no longer think this team's going to make the playoffs. This is, again, and this goes back to, not to harp on it, but the decision making you make in the draft, it does have reverberations during the season. Especially for a team like this is, like, all in on this season. And you go back a couple of years. They've done a good job of finding contributors in the midterms. to late rounds, but their first two picks in this last draft were Ty Simpson, who is their third string quarterback, and then Max Clair, who is like their fifth or fourth tight end on the roster. Yeah, so that pick they used on Ty Simpson, they could have had Mekhi Lemon, KC Concepcion, Denzel Boston, Omar Cooper, Jeremy Bernard. To be clear, we said this at the time. This is not hindsight. Even their second, their 61st overall pick, they could have taken Antonio Williams or something with that pick. Denzel Boston on the Rams is that one McVay's going to fucking think about. Concepcion. I want to reiterate. Everything's West now. Yeah, we said this at the draft. We're like, why did you not take a receiver? And to be clear. You have Devontae Adams, who can't stay healthy, Puka Nakua, who gets beaten up, beat to shit every game, and they went out and just went out, and they're like, it'll be fine. I don't know. Maybe they're just going to run the ball 40 times a game and hope they can grit through the next month and hope Devontae Adams comes back. I don't know what the plan is. They don't have, I mean, I don't think they have a great plan, and they don't really have one. I don't know if there was a lot of good options, but yeah. No, and again, I actually still think the Ty Simpson pick. His people are a little mad at it. I actually am higher on it than other people. Not because I liked Ty Simpson as a prospect, but I think that it's one of those where if the season goes to shit, basically, if we're like, oh, look at this. Worst case outcome. All the players got hurt. Stafford's banged up. I just look at the Rams. I feel like when you see the Rams, you're like, you should have took Denzel Boston. Convincing argument. I'm like, well, everything went to shit. I think having a quarterback in the first round now seems good. I just kind of don't get why it's Ty Simpson still, and I think it's because Les Steed's friends with his dad, which is a bad reason. Right. Good process to take a quarterback. Bad process to do it because Ty Simpson's dad is friends with Les Steed, who's the GM. And so I'm like, oh, I'm like Larry David with the chicken. I'm like, oh. The Rams are now basically even odds to make the playoffs. They have the eighth best odds in the NFC to make the playoffs, which means they're projected technically to miss the playoffs. And I don't know how you can feel better about them now than you did last week. You can't. You know what's weird? The Rams are the Vikings now. That's what I just said. They're Vikings West. They really are. Yes. Oh, you just incepted me. That was good. I think I was looking at my computer when you said that. I said it while everybody was talking. But I kind of believe that now. I'm like, this is a good defense. And obviously, like, it's a little different. The quarterback situation in LA, it's like, but like, there's no juice now on this offense. This is not a roster that can win playoff games on offense. It's just not. No, there's no juice now on this offense. This is not a roster that can win playoff games. I just said that. My biggest loser is the Colts. The Indianapolis Colts, they bought the peak last year. And then they just sold the depth. It is kind of true. Yeah. They had eight good games and we're like, fuck. They gave up. Let's do it. I mean, can you, I don't, I'm sure in other sports this has happened, but in football, I certainly can't remember a deadline to deadline turnaround, like two firsts for Sauce Gardner into flipping Quentin Nelson, the defining players of your decade, Quentin Nelson, DeForest Bunkter, and then also Josh Downs, getting rid of Keenan Allen, all veteran leadership, all young promising players, didn't trade Jonathan Taylor, which I get because almost for a fan sentiment, or at least, I mean, the Giants apparently offered a second and a fifth. I get keeping them, but I also. No, you can't do that. I kind of might have done that. Might have thought about it. Give them two firsts for Sauce Gardner last year. It's just brutal. I mean, again, the Eagles, like they got Jonathan Taylor for a second rounder like seven years ago, eight years ago. Like you could get a second back and like call it a day. But again, I. I think the idea that the, that Jonathan Taylor is going to be the difference as they rebuild is that we've seen this many times. It just doesn't make it. It doesn't move the needle. It works in a world. If you can get, you can get rid of Quentin Nelson and Jonathan Taylor, but keeping some posts that fell off. Wait, who was that? I think that was. Was that me? No, Chang. Oh, that's fine. Chang fell off the Ring of Fantasy big board. That would feel like a bad omen. That's a bad omen. The defense of the Colts, like strategy here is all the players that they did trade are on expiring contracts. So they're getting something for them now instead of just letting them leave in free agency and hoping to get a comp pick or whatever. You only get the comp picks if you don't sign free agents next year. So the trades preserve their ability to sign free agents next year and return to respectability. So like the Taylor thing, the reason they kept Taylor, I think their rationale for this is he's not on an expiring contract. He's a core player for us. These other guys maybe won't even sign him in free agency anyway. Well, if you trade John Taylor, why should anyone go to, I'm serious, why should anyone go to a Colts game for the next two months if you trade Jonathan Taylor? Why are you taking your seven year old child to a Colts game if Jonathan Taylor is not there? You probably are not going to go. This is the truth. It's funny too that, I don't, maybe you already said this, but apparently they were fielding trade offers for Daniel Jones and said no. Like what are we doing? Well, probably it was probably, no, it was probably a humiliating offer. Right. Still though. 2028/7. I'm like, I don't care. It's like, it's like some of those like phone trade-in offers and you're like, I'll just, I'd rather I could keep it. Fuck you. You know what I mean? I know, right? Like I'm insulted. I'll give you a fourth for your quarterback you just paid. And you're like, I actually, that's humiliating. Biggest fantasy winner, we met, it has to be Justin Jefferson, right? Yeah. He's doing backflips. Again, led the NFL in every category except receiving touchdowns when Kirk Cousins last played. Is he going to be a league winner going forward? It's funny to, I mean, probably. Yeah. I mean, it's probably, I mean, especially with Puka going down now, it's like the best fantasy wide receivers are Jackson Smith and Jake, but CeeDee Lamb, Jamar Chase, and then you could argue it's Justin Jefferson, Matthew Golden, Watson, and right there, also quietly Jordan Addison. I've seen cut in leagues and I don't even mind. People do it. I'm like, I wouldn't do that, but I get it. And now I'm like Jordan Addison, also probably huge. The other one also Fernando Mendoza, who I think now is an important out of quarterback. Like Malik Willis is out with a groin injury now. Is he going to injury reserve? He's on the IR now. Is that our guy, Tommy P had the Malik Willis IR? I think Mendoza's a big ad because again, Mendoza, faster than he looks. Looks like Jared Goff, but he won the fricking national championship running. This is Kubiak too, man. I trust Kubiak. What he's been able to get out of Cousins this year in terms of fantasy is pretty remarkable. He has no number one receiver. He's the only receiver on this team. And again, I mean, Brock Bowers is technically a tight end. He's more of a receiver, but still what Cousins has been able to do 20 touchdowns or whatever it is, 19 touchdowns. Yeah. I think sitting for nine games for Mendoza is about as good as you can do. I think the timing is a little unfortunate because you know, he's stepping in to play the Seahawks and then Denver on the road, which is not what you want. Exactly. By fire. You definitely don't want the Seahawks defense in your first game. No, that's horrible. But. Well, Max Brosmer did it. How did it work out for him? Yeah. The bros, Italian Brosmer. It kind of is what it is though. Cause it's like the trade deadline. It just happened to fall on the week you play Seattle and you're not going to get a third round pick for it. Yeah. You probably have to do this. We talked about, you talked about Howie Roseman working the system, paying, paying money to get picks. The Raiders really worked this, this well with Kurt, with Kurt Cousins, signed him to a one year deal. Paid him nothing. Paid him not very much. And then they traded him. Spent eight months with Mendoza. Yeah. And then he brought in that leadership. He kind of like, I think probably taught Mendoza how to be a pro, how to prepare for games and all that stuff. That's valuable. Yeah. And then they got a third round pick out of it. Who's the last first overall pick to sit as many games as Mendoza did. Oh man. I bet it hasn't. I don't think it's the 21st century. It is. It is. Is it Alex Smith? No. Oh, Mahomes. No. No, you're not first round quarterback. First overall pick. First overall. Oh, Eli Manning. Kurt Warner. No. Really? It's Goff. What? Goff sat for nine games. Oh really? Exactly. The Jeff Fisher year. Wait, who was playing overall? Case Keenum. Yeah. Oh wow. He's been all over. Wow. That was bad. It was nine games exactly that Mendoza sat. Yeah. Wow. Good call. Yeah. The only, I do think Mendoza is an ad for fantasy because again, rookie quarterbacks and they don't know what they do, they run. And so any, the dip that I've never, obviously I don't think Mendoza is going to come in and just, it would be cool if he did, but have the passing numbers that Kirk Cousins did. Any dip I think will actually be offset by the rushing. And so I think Mendoza just is going to run, I actually think he runs for 20 or 30 yards a game and that'll undo like, you know, a hundred fewer passing yards a game. So, you know, I still think Brock Bauer is going to get the ball. I think Mendoza is going to be really good, honestly, uh, probably not the next two weeks though. Okay. It also just gives Raiders fans like a new thing to root for. Like I feel like the season is over and now it's like, oh, at least like maybe like we can just like hope Mendoza is good and we can get excited for next year. Austin is stoked. Yeah. If Mendoza beats the Seattle Seahawks next week, I think it would probably be, I'm curious what Austin would think. I think it'd probably be the best Raiders win and oh my, it's better than making the playoffs a few years ago. There'd be no semen left in his body. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To quote the great Bill Simmons. Um, trade that's aged the worst. Can I read you the nominees? I'll let you guys pick. Sure. Quentin Nelson to Seattle for a third rounder and then Quentin Nelson plays one game, gets rocked by Jeffrey Simmons and then he goes on, he misses like three weeks with an injury. I don't like that. Uh, trade that's aged the worst. Cardinal, Texans trading a second round pick for Marvin Harrison Jr. and then him like kind of still being fourth or fifth in snaps at receiver like a month later. Dude, the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade I think is really stupid. You look at the second rounders. I'm like a lot of players got sent for a second and I'm like, it's weird that they don't play them still. It's been like a while. The second just feels super rich. Like they had their bye week and I was like after the bye he might play and he's tanked out. I don't know. It's weird. Uh, Steelers trading quarterback Joey Porter Jr. to the Cowboys. The Steelers got a second in 2028. That looks good now for, and if you're Dallas and your defense is pathetic statistically and visually, we've had asked three or four times in half a season whether they care. And in the first, usually defenses quit in the second half of the year, not the first. The Steelers gave the Cowboys two different players who like don't try. Yeah. Pickings and Porter. And guess what? Now they're gonna have to pick which to tag and they're gonna have to let one leave. This is an important thing to remember on the trade deadline is sometimes there's a reason teams trade players and it's not just financial or not just the picks or whatever. You're so right. It's so easy to sit here and be like, these players are great. And it's like the Eagles are like, yeah, he fucking got paid and got fat, Jordan Davis. And they're like, yeah, like the teams don't, they don't, no one wants to give up. It's a good place. there's always a reason they're available I'm happy that the Steelers didn't make any moves yeah because I think the Steelers right now like this year as it currently stands they are good enough that like you cross your fingers and you hope some a miracle happens in the playoffs if they make it yeah but I don't want to mortgage the future to like try to win a Super Bowl right now because they don't Aaron Rodgers is 42 and the roster's like not bad right and so I'm like don't don't give up second and third round picks for this year it's like this is a nice to have and then you got to figure out your future with the quarterback so I'm happy they didn't make any changes uh my uh homer bias pick for trade that's aged the worst is the Vikings sending J.J. McCarthy to the Giants for fifth round pick I know he's playing fine I know that I think he's the first quarterback to win four games in a row without like his first four games of the team without throwing a touchdown and like ever and I also know the Giants I believe don't play a team with a winning record till Jacksonville week 11 so they I hasn't played anyone however I do literally think that he just played well enough against the Texans alone that the fifth round pick is an atrocity like if the if they had just watched that one if he had done that for Minnesota there's like no chance they send him for any anywhere for less than a third certainly has aged really poorly I just can't believe that Houston gave a second round pick for Marvin Harrison Jr. and the Chiefs gave a fourth and a fifth for Josh Downs yeah like it's just I don't know Houston didn't even need a wide receiver that's the weirdest part is it's the deepest part of the second round in the three games since he joined the Texans he's irrelevant he's played 30 percent of snaps and he has six catches I don't get it I don't get it I don't get it I don't get it I don't think it's a need thing I actually think it's a by the dip thing I think it's a like a principle like we had a draft grade they did a second round pick that's that's buying the dip but it's buying the dip from the enough buy no but it's buying the dip from the pre-draft evaluation of this is the best receiver prospect of the last two to three years right like they're buying the dip on their pre-draft grade of like he's a 98 on our out of a hundred on our pre-draft and we think the Cardinals are a bad organization and they're like Stroud is this guy good he's like fucking awesome this guy was so good at college man you got to get him yeah so I would love to know what the hit rate is on teams asking players what they think of a play like well Burrow has a you know Burrow wanted his guys he wanted Higgins and Chase that's why well those guys were fucking awesome like regardless yeah Chase was never bad Chase was always great yeah Chase has been everything we were what was like a month ago we're talking about properly rated Chase is the most properly rated I just yeah him and Andrew Lott I'm like exactly what he's supposed to be a I think that what I was just thinking of though is this one was Stroud where he's like vouching for Harrison my guy and then I remember when when Mahomes vouched or Andy Reid apparently or like whoever Brett Veach was asking Mahomes which running back he wanted between Taylor and Clyde Edwards Hilaire and Mahomes said Clyde I know you can't ask the players don't ask the players they're not the scouts can you think about that for a second the Chiefs literally drafted Clyde Hilaire over Jonathan Taylor Jonathan Taylor on the Chiefs god they might have made like what for the last like five years what's weirder about it is that they made three Super Bowls in a row and they all I mean if they made it to the last step of getting the first three-peat ever so what's weird about it is are they do they really do better if they make that pick probably do they are they worse that's but I don't know same with the butterfly effect it's weird but I'm like what are the odds that a significant change actually improves on three Super Bowls in a row which had like not happened in 30 years they're gonna do better than that I get what you mean but it's hard for me to I don't know if they just drafted Jonathan Taylor it's hard for me to imagine it'd I read that's fair too right it's just weird they it helped them build character it's just weird to think they got rid of the Chiefs need that they flipped away Tyree kill yeah then then one took Clyde over yeah they took Clyde over JT and then they fuck yeah whatever it's weird life's weird uh okay trade by the way I'm still bullish on the Quentin Nelson thing I don't think I don't think that aged poorly yeah trades that did not happen that you wish had I really wanted Cleo Mack to the Bears he was so transformative when he went there in 2018 the Jeffrey Simmons thing is just a repeat of that I don't think that's a good thing to do I don't think that's a good thing to do I don't think that's a good thing to do I don't think that's a good thing to do I don't think that's a good thing to do of it but it's cooler because the offense is not Trubisky and I can't believe the Chargers didn't do it I just I just really thought Cleo Mack to the Bears would be like actually to use the cringe millennial word fucking epic but the Chargers I you know they could sneak into a wild card if they win nine straight so I think they needed to keep Cleo uh also kind of wanted Jonathan Taylor to Denver I don't want anybody to Denver no I didn't want anyone to Denver we don't need Denver doesn't need no more players did you guys any other trade I wanted Jonathan Taylor to like Minnesota or something you know or the Seahawks Green Bay the Giants not Denver anyone but Denver not this is Dimitri Martin we get Waddle to Denver you get like 12 carries a game J.K. Dobbins starts this is terrible J.K. Dobbins we gotta get Dobbins back in there we should build back in the rotation next year we're gonna build the all quarantine team the Tyler is he still on the Broncos I don't know uh random trade that you will forget about and you will forget happened until the draft when you realize that team does not have a pick I keep doing it with Indianapolis every I'm like well at least the Colts are gonna have oh wait sauce Gardner right I have this as Cam the Ravens if this percent thing doesn't work out we'll just not have like the 41st pick in the draft because they fucking got Cam Juergens like they better make the playoffs yeah that one's probably not gonna age super well how about the how about the Texans once again not to keep harping yeah I'm like why don't the Texans have a second round pick might they lose their second round pick you're gonna look it up and Marvin Harrison had 280 yards in 12 games uh do you have one DK um we'll see how this goes but the bill is trading a second for Armani Hooker I think Hooker is the guy who intercepted Joe Burrow three times a couple weeks ago so maybe he comes out and just makes a bunch of like turnover takeaways and turnovers and he's a huge name but I think like he's the type of guy that maybe again we talk about this all the time but you can't see him on the screen when you're watching the broadcast angles you can't see the safeties so they don't end up being very famous most of the time uh and so maybe there's a chance that Hooker is just you're like oh fuck they did they trade a second for Hooker people make football too complicated sometimes really easy to understand sport it's no but I'm saying no well I mean again I couldn't I couldn't last um 90 seconds as a fucking quality control coach like you know what I mean the headset like it's like but I'm saying but sometimes though it does like when you talk when I talk to the smartest people I know about football they make it really simple the run is back so the middle of the field's important now like you know you grow up and you're like what's quarterback then the defensive ends who hit the quarterback and you need a Darrell Rivas cornerback on the edge like all these defensive ends you know what actually teams want now the middle of field defensive tackles like Jeffrey Simmons and uh Jordan Davis Davis the Broncos are adding a linebacker that I actually think if I devote right now defensive player of the year would be Fred Warner on the Niners and you know what again more safeties have been traded for a second round pick in the last 24 hours than the previous 15 years and I just like teams need shit in the middle of the field that's where you're most impactful as a player even Miles Garrett's coolest shit when he's when he's over center I like hooker I think he's gonna be I think he's exactly what the bills need but it is just like you said it's kind of shocking when you see the the second rounders getting thrown around this during this trade period it's we've never seen anything like this where what is the update on yesterday's conversation where we're wondering is our draft picks worth less now and after seeing today I think so yeah I think it's interesting because you're like right that like supply is down but in theory that would drive up the price of like the second round picks because there's few but I'm like I just think that you need to get players and but the willingness of teams to just kind of throw the second round picks around is surprising when those picks are still good especially when you're a contender like the bills so this is going to be a late second yeah I mean Craig we talked about this with uh more thing it's it's basically in the date like mid day two zone that is more palatable for some of these teams I think it says something that they just I think Brandon beat yeah again between that and the DJ more trade it's like you give them truth serum what's the difference between the 60th pick and the hundred and tenth and you're like not as big as you think maybe that is the answer which you said right when the DJ more trade you're like stop saying it was the second it was the 61st or whatever it wasn't bad you said that immediately though that is very different alarming yeah that's yes because then you're like maybe that's a top picks in this on day two you have you have such good leverage in terms of being able to trade that pick or take one of the best guys that fell out of the first round the 49ers I think had the first pick in the uh strippling second round last year or whatever and that was like you're in the catbird seat with that you can trade that you can get a haul where you can take the player who you think should have been a first rounder so the other the other trade that I have to mention a random trade you'll forget about till later so the Bengals made a trade with the Eagles today they traded for Arnold Arnold Ebiketti he was a pastor I think at Penn State and then um was on the Eagles the Eagles slipped into the Bengals for like a six rounder and then the Bengals saw a tweet that said um I think what happened I guess I should but I'm pretty sure what happened is the Bengals saw a tweet that said they would lose a compensatory third round pick if they made this trade uh it was from Nick Corte and who's like the only person on earth who doesn't work for the NFL league office who understands or the NFL itself that understands compensatory picks is this guy Nick is the only person he literally gets compensatory picks better than probably people in half the teams in the NFL did he reverse engineer the comp pick sort of yes he yes exactly it's secret the NFL the formula the NFL is not public but he he has yes reverse engineered the formula so this guy's like the only and he tweeted out they're going to lose a pick for this and the Bengals were like oh fuck what holy shit hold on and so they undid the trip and I think what happened is the Bengals called the league office and asked kind of a fantasy court yeah hey I know we accepted that are you hearing this this is this is again the Bengals don't have very many people on their staff well the joke is that during draft thing that they're the only team that reads twitter just kind of gets their board from consensus like this is pretty helpful look at all these people trying to help look at all the work they did for us uh crowdsourcing uh in five years you're going to be in five years you will remember one trade from this season which is a dk probably jeffrey simmons yeah unless the vikings win the super bowl but I think I was gonna say that actually yeah jeffrey simmons to me has already felt like an absolute game changer the way what he's done to that defense He makes the Bears one of the most balanced teams in the NFL. But, like you said, if the Vikings get to the playoffs and go far in the playoffs, especially if they make the Super Bowl, the Kirk Cousins one is going to be the highest impact trade by far. Because, again, I thought the Vikings were dead in the water before. Before today, put no stock in the Vikings going far. They have to play perfect on defense to win any game. It was like trying to get heads 18 times in a row or whatever. It's just not going to happen. And I just didn't see them being able to go very far in the playoffs because of that. Now, I think they can. Yeah, I agree. It's Kirk Cousins for the next two months. But I kind of think the Bears will make the Super Bowl. And then it's Jeffrey Simmons. With that note, my next one, the last one here is just with everything you've seen now, trade deadline's over. DK, I know you hate this. Sorry, Craig. What do we do here? I was going to ask you guys who you think will make the Super Bowl. But DK hates predicting the future and hates Super Bowl picks. So should we spare him? Do I day and ask you, DK, who you think makes the Super Bowl? I think it's going to be the Jags and the Bears. I think so, too, man. I think they're the best teams. I'll stick with my preseason prediction of Bills-Bears. Yeah, I was thinking of the Bills, too. And the Niners, I really think the 49ers can go. Josh Allen's just such a. You still think it's Josh's year. The 49ers, I still think, can go toe-to-toe with anybody. I just. History, it feels foolish. It's foolish to bet on all these old guys. Yeah. It's like a parlay on old men playing football. It's just a mistake to me. But we'll see. There'll be. Niners are probably the most fun team to root for. No offense to you in Seattle. But other than, like, I think the Bears are the team to me. I just. Yeah. I don't know. But, yeah, the updated Super Bowl odds, I think these are super updated. But it's basically the AFC, there's the Bills and the Jags, and then a big gap. And then it's Chiefs, Bengals, Broncos, and it's a big gap. And the NFC, it's the 49ers and Bears and a big gap. And then Rams, Seahawks. Lions, Packers, Vikings. Rams are third? I think. Maybe that's gone down since. I think the Rams are going to miss the playoffs at this rate. That's kind of shocking. I'm like. Yeah, the new Vikings. Not that I would count the Rams out already, but. The Rams are six in Super Bowl odds. Yeah. I think that is crazy. I'm not counting them out, but that feels a bit high. Anything else on the trade deadline before we move on to other topics? Yeah, dude, these are. The Vikings are 22-1 to win the Super Bowl, and the Rams are 14-1? 22-1, maybe that was. No, I think those. The Packers are 20-1 to win the Super Bowl, the Rams are 14-1? 14-1, I'm like, man. Above the Packers. See, that seems wrong to me. Way above the Packers. Yeah. Yeah. Pook is. He's going to be on the IR all year, or is he coming back? I feel like they don't have any IR return spots left. No, I don't think he's out for the year. No, they do. Okay. The Niners are the ones running out of them. The Niners actually couldn't, but. The Rams were getting close to running out, too. I saw that. It will likely sideline him for at least one month. Okay. But I mean. So they just got to survive for the next month. Yeah. Yeah. I think they. I think they're hoping. I think they're hoping Devontae Smith can come back after the bye in Week 12. Devontae Adams, yeah. Sorry, Devontae Adams. I've done that twice now. Can come back in Week 12 after the bye? I don't know. Yeah, I think the Rams. The Rams may miss in the playoffs. It's not even a hot take anymore, I feel like. It's just kind of like. I mean, they're just on the outside looking in, right? Even if they had Devontae Adams and Puka healthy, I'm like, trade for a wide receiver. I just can't believe they're just going to. They're going to just play a game this week with the guys I just listed? What? They are. Cannata-Mumfield time. The Mumps are back. They are. It's just shocking. I mean, it really is. The Colts receivers right now are Laquan Treadwell, Ashton Doolin, Deion Burks, Nick Westbrook-Akene. Is that better than the Rams receiver room? I actually think it is. I think it is, too. I would rather have that. I don't know. I just can't believe it. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I keep confusing Laquan Treadwell and Burks. I actually, too, think those guys are better. Yeah. Which is crazy. I'm just. I'm in shock. The Rams have the worst receiving core right now. Okay. So, we have fantasy court. I'm going to go right to stupid court because I think that there's something, you know, trade deadline, big stories, but there's something beyond fantasy court that needs to be litigated that's really more of a stupid court situation, which is that last night Monday Night Football, it's the George Bush meme. It's like, there's been another shart. How did this happen two days in a row? So, James Cook. It happened again. Literally, like, 24 hours after we had Rashawn Gary shart during the Cowboys game. They look almost identical. I would say. Identical. You know, my cousin Vinny? Did more post-its fall down? I thought so, but no. I think we're all right. Anyway, so James Cook, I think, definitely shart, shit himself in this game. I would say so, yes. I mean. So, but here's the best part. Like, if you watch that, and I was like, how confident did that man shit himself? That is. I think they upped the saturation in that photo. So, here's my question. He literally replied to the tweet, which was a huge mistake, and he said, this is wild, I didn't shit on myself, laughing emoji. Did he sit on. A hot dog or something. That's like mustard. Did he sit on a hot dog with mustard? I think he. This is how I would reply. Do you think there's a chance. I clearly sat on a hot dog. Do you think there's a chance he didn't know? Like, you're running, getting tackled, you just kind of keep going. I think there's a chance he didn't even know. He says I didn't shit on myself, which. No, I think he's just. Could be technically true. I think it's brutal that the Rashawn Gary thing just happened. Like, if this was a one-off, he could say, no, no, something happened, and maybe we'd believe it. Two guys! Two guys in 24 hours. Well, do you think Rashawn. They didn't both sit on mustard hot dogs. Do you think Rashawn Gary hired mustard hot dogs? Do you think Rashawn Gary, like, did this somehow? Oh, interesting. Like, Rashawn Gary's like. Stoked. They're like, just get him out of the news. Have someone else shit on himself. He's like calling some ball boy in Buffalo. He's like, hey, I need you to rub mustard on James Cook's pants. It's a false flag. Yeah. False fart. False fart. Again, going from Gary to this in a 24-hour span, I don't think there's any other conclusion other than these guys are sharding. Wearing white pants. So, isn't that the. I'm wearing white pants today. I was really worried about shitting myself. I'm not going to lie. I was, like, really concerned. Really worried. They happen in threes, but I feel like. This picture is horrific. It is. So, don't lawyers have the 2% rule? Like, this is probably happening, like, way more if you found it. Yeah. I think. I really do think football players probably shit themselves more, and we should normalize it, because you know what? He didn't shit on himself. He said it. They literally get the shit knocked out of them. Like, if Fred Warner hit you. Oh, my God. I would probably also shit myself. Yeah. Same. I'm not holding it against him. I just can't believe this happened again. Yeah. Like, that's kind of the new thing, is, like, if you got tackled, like. Yeah, let's say Fred Warner. You'd probably shit, right? I think the surprising thing is, why haven't we seen more of this over the years? Yeah. I don't know. It's weird that it happened twice. I feel like you're in the Matrix. Like, what the fuck? Why now? It's happened two days in a row. I know. Or two games in a row. I mean, the poor guy had, like, 32 carries. His bowels left. I was just, like, literally yesterday. His bowels gave up. Poor Rashad Gary. It does feel like the Matrix, like, Grand Theft Auto V, GTA VI is coming. We got two players to shit in back-to-back days before GTA VI. But I will say, when I play Grand Theft Auto V, if you get in a car, that car appears more. And it's not just the psychological phenomenon that you hear a word, you learn the definition, you hear it more. It's not just that. It's the car is more likely to render in the game when you're in the car. We're looking for people who have shit themselves more after the Rashad Gary situation. We're really searching out. I think. Shards. What is that phrase? There's, like, a term for that. Benning Mater Meinhof? Mater Meinhof, yeah. Is that the. Weren't they, like, German terrorists or something? Yeah, it was, like, um. I don't know how. The expression. I forget how the expression came up, but. The irony is we can never remember this name. I guess we just. The Mater Meinhof gang was, like, a terrorist gang in, like, the 70s and 80s or something, but. A far-left militant group in West Germany founded in 1970 by Andreas Bader. Um. But the phenomenon is a cognitive bias where a newly learned word, concept, or object suddenly seems to appear everywhere right after you first notice it. Right. Yeah, Meinhof really kind of stuck in there. And meanwhile, James Cook is out here strice-handing affecting himself. Yeah, he can't. You can't comment on shitting yourself. Like, what are you doing? Also, like, he didn't even have an excuse. He just said, like, no. I didn't shit on myself. He's like, that's not true. Didn't do that. Okay, what happened then? I would. I would have provided. If I was going to say anything, I would have provided a clear explanation. It's literally. Mustard hot dog. You have to explain yourself. He should have been like Shadur Sanders. Like, this photo's taken out of context. This is just another media trick. It's a media trick, really. It's also a brutal photo. It's such a bad. It's the worst photo I've ever seen. I can't keep looking at this. Did you know that psoriatic arthritis may progress over time and could cause permanent joint damage if left untreated? Listen to what it sounds like to be a million miles away. 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Yeah, okay moving on all right stupid court this is actually really really really we have a stupid court intro by the way Oh, we do How much drywall could you eat in a day? What's the half-life on a fart it is worth pointing out that the word shark in and of itself is a combination of what? two words shit and fart I rest my case your honor. Oh My god, it's always two dumb bitches saying exactly Exactly That's what's drywall can you be in the day how much drywall can you eat a day? Okay, I'm gonna just listen to yourself. That's amazing exactly All right, this stupid court is from Richard. I'm Dickie our bone Dick's breakfast was a large protein shake in a black coffee with hazelnut flavoring Dick writes I've written you in the past to give my first hand knowledge about the mysterious case of jelly the bear at the turtle back Zoo. Oh wow. All right, this started that whole thing. This is a Hall of Fame. This is our woodward. Yeah. Yeah, this is yes This is our deep throat Craig. That's right. Yeah, I You were proud of that. You looked at me. You're like no good, right? exactly so Dick writes I now write to you for different reason about six column deep throat, please I'm not gonna do that. If you want to do that, you will read you know, but I'm not gonna be like deep throat, right? Richard dick, whatever right six months ago someone in our league droop chat posed a question Could anyone in the league tackle Derrick Henry once in 100 tries? Dick Dick respond in this group. Yeah. No, no their chat their league. Oh, I responded. Okay me Okay, dick thinks he could tackle Derrick Henry Once in 100 attempts Does he survive this? Does it matter? What's the context here? Like what is he in pads? Is this in a game? Is this is it the Oklahoma drill? Like what are we talking about? So I I think it's More akin to a drill. It's not like any it's one-on-one in one on one at practice So yeah, so he says this question and answer is led to a feud. No It was the Oklahoma drill the answers no here's so I'm willing to hear it out Yeah, if and only if you could make him trip It's well, sir. Let me let me perhaps if you just kind of fall out his legs, you could maybe trip There's give it so there's maybe there is context here is important. He says He says he says the naysayers argued Henry's too big and strong and fast to tackle the naysayers He says look, I'm not an idiot. He says Derek Henry world-class athlete. I was at best an above-average high school athlete I could not tackle Derek Henry on average. He says I could not do it in one try ten tries thirty tries We had this guy's height and weight. Do we know? Well, I'm keep going. He says a hundreds a lot of tries And he says odds are I thought the odds that he loses a Derek Henry loses his balance trips or falls have to being hit One out of 100 times which he does all the time in the NFL and he says would I get trucked a bunch of time? Sure, that's why a hundred is the key. He says I am six foot four, which is Derek Henry's height I am 205 pounds. He's got 40 pounds on me kind of what I live wiry though a little he's wiry He says if he says he lifts weights religiously three times a week. I do run I do cycle three times a week He says I'm 41 but I'm in the best shape of my life and he says I'm in the best shape of my life And he says I know that he's bigger but he's like I literally will he trip or fall once in a hundred times I want I have a question. Maybe this is addressed here, but I want to get in front of it How many steps does Derek Henry get? Before the tackle attempt happen. That's a good question. How many do you think he would need for you to change your answer? more than two If he gets three steps, I'm fucking so I actually I actually don't think I might matter is what we've talked about That's a bit more steps. It's good for sure. If he gets a few steps, he's trucking people If he doesn't he's toppling down like the Saddam Hussein statue. Is this like edge of tomorrow where every attempt is in a vacuum, right? Okay, that's exactly what I say. I think you could tackle Derek Henry in a hundred tries if it was edge of tomorrow and After every time you like regenerated with the memory The render training the yes. What's her name? Emily Blunt. Yes essential. The real answer to this is You're going to be so tired and in so much pain you will set after like so far in the first three attempts You're gonna get hurt over. Yeah, I'm gonna get a fine Yeah, like if you are if you were getting a new attempt But the first time what's gonna happen is he's gonna hit you with the stiff arm so fucking hard Yeah, I'm just gonna knock you that like you every it you know, you screwed so much pain I'm assuming Richard is saying this is in a vacuum and it's like a hundred tries in a vacuum I think you have to yeah, there's no shot in which case I guess 4205 he's in good shape. I Really think it's more of like a you could never tackle him, but it's like Maybe you like dive at his legs and he stumbles and like falls down once. Yeah. Yeah, that's well This is yeah again to me the most important spiritually. No, but no the answer is no fucking no shot because what he's he's not thinking about the 50th try Derek Henry's actually carried the ball 50 times in a game against multiple people. He's never like you're gonna be hit so many fucking times Well, here's another question So if it is edge of tomorrow style Does that mean mentally each attempt? It's kind of the first time he's trying it in his brain because I Derek Henry for both Derek Henry doesn't matter but for Richard I feel like if you try 40 times each time you're like coming up with new ways to Attack him. Yeah, but if it's men in black style and it's the first try every single time I don't think he doesn't know you probably because the first right like I'm gonna try to tackle him for real and then it Doesn't work the first time you would need him to trip because the real confidence you get I'm saying that I do Cuz here's the real cuz he would learn each each attempt you learn like oh that didn't work I'm gonna try this way. I'm gonna go after his leg I'm gonna try to like dive at his feet But if you forget what's happening each time The first attempt is always gonna be like maybe I just try to tackle him and that would never work a hundred times in a row Right and also I think it does matter for Henry to know what happened the last time. I think but here's the real comp so in I think I think the most important question and I'm sticking to this is how many steps is Derek Henry get or is he? Like are you just running up to him and trying to tackle him? Or is he on the move like what are these ten yards like away from you? Oh, then you're not If you're doing like a Leonard Frenette thing where he's like pointing at you get ready motherfucker Yeah, even if it's in like a like like a narrow hallway. Yeah, I think five yards to run That's the underrated part the underrated part though. I think I think you're in space and Henry can point at you and be like Come on, bitch. I think it's a thousand times No, but I think the underrated part is that because you see him get hit in the backfield I think that the implication that you would even be able to touch him is like kind of like ego Like most of the time you he's good you might get think he's probably gonna run around you like you're not actually No, if I guess I don't know the ground. I don't know if I was able to blindside him that I could tackle him Like if he didn't see me coming, I don't know if I could serious chance He could stand on one and land like I don't know No You can't knock her over if he was standing still with his arms crossed in pads But just standing and his eyes were closed just standing straight up eyes closed in pads and you could sprint at him full speed and Launch yourself into him. Do you think he'd fall? No, no Like zero chance he'd fall. I think I would be the one that gets hurt Yeah, you like Antonio Brown double kick him out of the air. I don't think he falls. No So yeah, I would clank off him like a brick. I think the verdict dick your Hall of Fame emailer Thank you for jelly the Bears one of the best emails we've ever gotten and no you're really stupid That's there's no chance What about Derek Henry verse jelly the bear? Well, Joey's a black bear Like it was a brown bear grizzly. It's the bear, but I think Derek Henry could pretty easily scare off a black bear I don't think it even be hard I'm not even saying but I'm not saying scare off I'm saying like if the bear kind of like had a goal of tackling Derek Henry. No, he couldn't do it No, no what? Oh the bear could tackle their Kennedy black bear. No, yeah It's not that big Oh 100% brown bear grizzly No chance bears can run like 50 miles an hour faster than small horses in small distances Okay about a bear could tackle there. Well, no no no no no black bears can run up to 30 miles per hour Well, it's not about her 33% faster than any human but how big is a black bear? What do you think 100 and 100 pounds a hundred pounds? adult males 130 to 500 that's quite the range There's a big range large males can exceed 600 Okay, how big was jelly the bear how big? How much is a zoo bear captivity black black bear? What I said, I said jelly I? How big is jelly the bear because it was on him? Yeah, I can't find oh, I could go how much and I it's money You know, I'm not good. I think I think an average size bear is probably like at least 300 pounds That's gonna go in the next video Can we play the intro again? That was How much drywall could you eat in a day Life on a fart it is worth pointing out that the word shark in and of itself is A combination of what two words shit and fart exactly It's so good. It's so good Okay, just you just set them up. I'll knock them down. Yeah, that's right Alley-oop fucking Lob City over here all day So now we have an important update. We have an update to the eating house. Oh Sure, can you eat a house in your lifetime? So this is from drew, okay? D-bone breakfast smoothie with kale banana avocado and gopchang Okay, I don't know. So it's whey protein from goats. I mean, yeah, it's that it's kind of in the name It's kind of in the name Much like we bought his type. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I dub thee the Fellowship of the Marine. Honey, I think we bought a zoo. Welcome to Jurassic Park. You're going to die hard today. I love when he says that. This is literally a family guy joke. They're like, Superman 2, quest for peace. So Drew writes. We are the Transformers. So Drew writes, I'm not sure if other people sent you this, but there's a guy who ate planes. See, this is the opposite. It used to be we didn't have enough people. Now we got way too many. Too many people. Now people are so bored they're eating planes. So this guy ate planes. This is like. Wait, plural? Yes. He ate more than one plane. Yes. How big? Cessnas. Still big enough. So this guy, Michael Letito, on Wikipedia now, it's actually. So the Wikipedia photo is him at a nice tablecloth dinner eating a plane. This is the photo Wikipedia. This is, I think, immediately why I decided you can't eat a house. This guy is from France. His digestive system allowed him to consume up to two pounds of metal per day. Two pounds? Wow. Two pounds of metal per day. It's like a big old burrito. Yeah. So the eating disorder he had is called pica, which is, again, he just craves non-digestible foods. Right. So this guy. It's called pica? Pica, P-I-C-A. He disassembled, cut up into small pieces, and consumed items such as bicycles, shopping carts, televisions, beds, and a Cessna 150. It took him two years, 1978 to 1980, to eat the Cessna. He ate a plane in two years. So how's he eaten the. I don't know. What is the method? So I'm glad you asked. He claimed to not suffer any ill effects. So bananas gave him heartburn. Metal did not. Bananas. Bananas gave him heartburn. Okay. He said that he would ingest about a kilogram a day. So that's over two pounds a day. And he would do. Beforehand, he would drink mineral oil and a lot of water during the meal, which allowed him to swallow the metal without damaging his throat. But how. Was it in pill form? How was he actually consuming it? No, I think he's cutting up the metal in water. I don't know if it's in the water or what. The water's flowing the metal through, but he had his mineral oil lining his esophagus. What do you mean? He's drinking that, like, cuts little pieces of metal in water? He's not chewing it. Like, how is he. Is it a little. He's drinking a lot of water during the meal. But I think he's eating the metal. What do you mean? I don't fucking know, man. So he says. What do you mean he's eating the metal? He's chewing metal? This guy would be great on the O-line. Is he, like, smoothing them down to rocks so he can, like, swallow them? How is he just eating. Taking bites of metal? I'll find methods. I'll find methods. I think he would have to, Craig. Yes. In the meantime. In the meantime, can I list. He would have to cut them up into very small pieces. And drink them or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, dude, it's actually fucking crazy. So it's like. Google, how do you eat an airplane? One. So one. Oh, this is the best part. One bite at a time. Wait, this is the best part. Latino holds the record for strangest diet in the Guinness World of Records. He was awarded a plaque made of brass, and then he ate it. Of course he did. Fucking two on the nose. He ate the award. And then I ate it. So the things he claims to have eaten. 45 door hinges, 18 bicycles. 25 door hinges. This guy ate. Why is that? 45. It's like an ostrich with, like, the bulging neck as it goes out. He was like, just a door hinge. He ate 45 door hinges, 18 bicycles. Bikes. Okay. He ate 15 shopping carts. Shopping carts. He ate seven television sets. This is, like, the 70s. Television sets? It was a big TV. Isn't there, like, fucking radioactive stuff in a television? Probably. He ate six chandeliers. What the fuck? Two beds. Six chandeliers? Two beds. A pair of skis. God damn it. This guy ate this stuff. He said he ate a computer, which they were big. That was, like, a big computer. Again, seems like there's heavy metals in these things. What's it like going out? You know? Can't be great. How does that work? Does he have a plan for that? Like, is his body. How does he get rid of it? This guy's at a restaurant. They're like, what can I get you? He's like, nothing, I'm good. He's just, like, ripping the legs off the table. What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? He ate a cop. Dude, this is actually, like. Wow. He ate a copy of the book Gravitation by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler. Of course. That's, like, a. You have to. That's a salad for him. He ate a Cessna, a plane, a waterbed, which why. He ate five. 1,600 feet of steel chain. What video is this guy? He ate a coffin. What's his name? Michael Letito? Michael Letito. So, he estimates that in his life, he ate. 900 pounds of. No, sorry. Nine tons of metal. So, he estimates he ate 18,000 pounds of metal in his life. Good lord. There are YouTube videos of this guy. The video is titled, Man Eats Bicycle. He kind of looks like a Bond villain. I feel like the answer to this is. Oh, my God, he does. I feel like the answer is you obviously could eat a house. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, this guy could eat a house. This guy ate a plane. Yeah, he. This guy. It's the same fucking thing. This guy could eat a house, for sure. That is all I got. I thought that would be enough. That's incredible. I was. He ate a plane. Again, so much stuff has happened, man. All right. Are we doing a quick ringer fantasy update? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately? Heifetz is now in sole position at first place. He won. I lost. So, now, Heifetz is in first at seven and two. I'm in second at six and three. And then there is a three-way tie for third between DK, Van, and House. You guys are really sticking with this thing that we don't have standings. I'm in third. Well. Through it. No. That's what the tie breakers. It is literally a three. But the tie breaker. It's broken. Literally. The tie is quite broken. The standings are behind us here. There's a tie. I'm in third. There's literally a tie. Yeah. See? That's not how standings work. I had a very close loss to Chang. I lost by five. There's a three next to my name. Not right there. Wow. No, there's not. On Yahoo, there is. Anyway. I beat the breaks off of Sal. How do you guys feel about your teams? My entire team is good because I have Matthew Golden and Christian Watson and T. Higgins. And that's been very fun. My team, I think, is really solid. I need. I just need. Unfortunately, I kind of need Devontae Adams to be good at the end of the year. But that kind of matters. You're basically the Rams. You're kind of the Rams. Your backup plan is Kanata Mumpfield. Yeah. Drake May. As long as Drake May doesn't turn into a pumpkin, I'm top four in this league. My receivers are kind of a mess. I have Tett McMillan, DJ Moore, and Omar Cooper. And Antonio Williams. I'm all over the place as a receiver. I'm really good at running back. Kenneth Walker, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Swift, Braylon Allen. DK, we're playing each other this week. And Jonah Coleman. You're playing each other this week? I might need to trade one of my running backs for a receiver. I'm really. I got receivers. You want Devontae Adams? I'm not trading with you. Why? You want Devontae? Because. Why? Because. Because. That's how the NFL works, too. Because I don't want to. They're like, why don't they make a trade? Nah, fuck them. Yeah. Okay. But my team's going to collapse. I'm just like, I could just tell. I mean, you got guys like Kittle, Watson, Hampton, Bryce Young. You're like, eh. Yeah. It's going to collapse. A lot of hamstrings need to hold up. But that's always the case. You know, it's half the battle. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Nikhil. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone in the studio who's helping us this week. Is CT back there? I don't. Thank you, everybody helping us put everything together this week. Thank you to. Thank you to the guy on Twitter who saved the Bengals a third-round pick. Yep. You're the real hero. A hero, really. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Lorne. All right. Songs you irrationally hate. Hi, Fitz. Last episode said Jack and Diane by John Cougar Mellencamp. Well, diddy. My Jack and Diane. DK said Sexy Back by Justin Timberlake before that. Do it again. Do it again. He turns into Mekhi Lemon. It's Mekhi Lemon. Who do you think you are, Justin Timberlake? Bringing sexy back. All right. Mine is an entire artist. Oh. Whoa. Who's one of the most famous people to ever live in the music space. I don't know why, but I think all of Prince's music is bad. What? I think When Doves Cry, Kiss, Purple Rain. I don't get any of it. I don't. Get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't. Hi Fitz. Look at Hi Fitz. Don't get it. It's wild. I don't even know how to respond to that, really. Okay. How's it hitting you? Not good? Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion on things. Yeah. I just don't get it. Yeah. I think there's honestly a reason why. You know how it's like old music's doing better than young music and everybody goes back in time to listen to music. I don't know anybody my age who listens to fucking Prince. I can confirm that. That is true. A lot of other bands, people still listen to Michael fucking Jackson, Fleetwood Mac. Everyone's listening to old bands. I don't hear anybody putting on Prince. I have to say, in just my experience, none of my friends put Prince on there. Nobody listens to Prince. But like friends who play old music and old music gets played. My friends definitely listen to Prince. Do you remember. How old were you when Prince was rolling? I mean what was his peak years? I don't know. I think the 80s, it was like him and Michael Jackson, right? When was like Purple Rain? Mid 80s? It was like. Paul Ian Frazier was like Michael Jackson and Prince in the 80s. Yeah, I mean, I was. six I don't know I was six at the end of his peak but it was one of those things like you know he had lasting power throughout the whole part of my childhood what happened with him trying to change his name to a sign that was he did that yeah but like what changed it to a sign and then he changed it back to the it was the artist formerly known as Prince which was funny and I don't know the rest of the story to be honest with you Craig I don't think I could like sing a lot of Prince songs off the top of my head maybe I'm dead like my father too cold purple rain it's just like all herky jerky I don't know I gotta say I it's just never worked for me never would have thought this but I have to say now that you pointed out purple rain I don't know if I'll see it the same way again I have to say you're right on the cusp you're just too young but here's the thing I don't he's like you don't have to be a man doesn't do it for me I don't know why there's a little bit of similarity to the every time the Prince song comes on I'm like I'm like why I don't know there's a little bit of the Justin Timberlake in there where you're like this might be a better take than Craig saying that it should be like cannibalism this is this is pretty great well this is gonna offend more people oh yeah I'm already terrified of what's coming down the pipe at me right now Minnesota they love Prince they're coming for you have you guys seen the original Batman like the sorry the one where he's a clown not the old have you seen the Michael the first Michael Keaton Batman is that the one with the Riddler it's like no who's the Tommy Lee Jones is the is the is no I'm talking about where Nicholson is the Joker it was a really long time yeah but it's a scene where they're like they're like like defacing a museum they're like in there like tossing paint on the walls and they have like a boombox and they're playing Prince and I'm just like this don't that's what I'm like this don't work that's that's what offends you about Batman I don't know I'm just like what is this put it on the back card they'll get it goodbye everyone , bye! 327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY in New York for Louisiana call 1-877-770-7867 1-877-770-7867 this episode is brought to you by Chevrolet Chevy drivers need a truck that shows up the same way they do that's why Chevy Silverado is number one in manufacturer loyalty so they can go where others won't make their own way there and always get it done and as long as Chevy people keep showing up we'll keep building trucks that do the same Chevrolet together let's drive visit chevy.com slash trucks to explore the lineup are you looking for support in your weight management journey ZepBound Terzepatide may be able to help ZepBound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity or some adults with overweight who also have weight related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off ZepBound is approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 or 15 milligram injection ZepBound contains Terzepatide and should not be used with other Terzepatide containing products or any GLP-1 receptor agonist medicines it is not known if ZepBound is safe and effective for use in children don't share needles or pens or reuse needles don't take if allergic to it or if you or someone in your family had medullary thyroid cancer or if you've had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2 tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck stop ZepBound and call your doctor if you have severe stomach pain or a serious allergic reaction severe side effects may include inflamed pancreas or gallbladder problems tell your doctor if you experience vision changes before scheduled procedures with anesthesia if you're nursing pregnant plan to be or taking birth control pills taking ZepBound with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar side effects include nausea diarrhea and vomiting which can cause dehydration and worsen kidney problems talk to your doctor call 1-800-545-5979 or visit