NFL Preseason Week 2 Takeaways + Biggest Winners & Losers (Ep. 2153)

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We've got Scott Bogman and Pat Fitzmaurice with us right here in the tailgate as we are going to be breaking down preseason action week two, which that means we are inching, oh, so closer to the start of the NFL season. Just how everybody wanted it. Wednesday night football, and then Thursday night football, and then the weekend. You have an entire week of football that just interjects in the middle. But this, this moment of week two closing is where we get that much closer, Fitzy, to the NFL season. I actually am not against just being done in week two. Like, just have two weeks of the preseason and let's just start with the season. Kind of hard for me to focus on the week three action, but how are we feeling? We're just so, so dang close to the season. I feel like you're getting gritty, Welsh. We just whittled it down from four weeks. So now we don't have that awful week four where no one played and it was just third and fourth stringers. But you know what? I hear you, though. I hear you. We're getting close to, and this weekend we're going to get meaningful college football. So once, it's always tough to watch preseason games once there's actual meaningful football. Football being played somewhere. Speaking of, Betting Pros College Football Channel, you guys can find where Bogman and Seth Wilcock are breaking it all down. Make sure you go check it out. Real quick, Fitzy, week two, week three, what do you think is going to tell us more important storylines about the upcoming NFL season? As in this episode, we're going to be talking about the latest news, what we learned from week two, and a stock watch on the players moving up. But which week do you think is going to hold a higher importance for season reactions? Maybe week three. It does seem like no one really does. Week three used to be the dress rehearsal week in the preseason. And now it's like different teams play it different ways between the three weeks, like when they play their starters and when they just kind of mail it in. So like you can never tell and different teams seem to be handling it different ways. Whereas there was more of a fixed pattern before when we had the four week preseason, like nothing in week one, nothing in week four. And two and three seem to be the interesting weeks. Now it's harder to tell. So week two, a little bit casual, maybe like how Bogman looks right now with the open shirt. And week three is like if he put one button in and he buttoned it up and like, like how I'm at, like a little bit more, a little bit more on the, more corporate, a little more, you know, I don't want to say professional, but you know, a little bit more week three. I'm a little bit of week three. You're a little bit of week two, Bogs. Don't want to say professional, but that's why I said professional. Is that right? I mean, I'm going to keep calling you on this nonsense until you knock it off. I would, I would never say that. I would never say professional. You just said it. If I didn't hit my button, look, I wouldn't. Yeah, yeah. No, no, but you did just say it. Yeah, the, I think Fitz is right. I think different teams do it different ways. I do think that most teams still view week three as somewhat of a dress rehearsal, not like, you know, three quarters like it used to be, but I think you might get a half of some starters, but other teams will completely ignore this. And this will be like the last week of the preseason. So I think we just really, week two, we didn't see a lot that changed my opinion on things right. Like I think, so week two is kind of the dead zone. I think week three, we'll, we will see more actionable items happen during the preseason than we had in week two. I will say like in this little Homer is, but like seeing things carry over makes me feel really happy. Actually, the stock watch guy I'm going to talk about today, I think is a carry over. And what I mean is like having multiple weeks of the same type of like uptick. But the guy, the example I was going to use is like Dijon Stribling. Stribling now two straight weeks. It was week one. It was week two. Week one to week two. You're like, oh, every single time he's out there, it's dominant amounts of targets. They, they now want to get him off the field. So like seeing carryovers. So I know people might be like, well, preseason breakdowns. And why are we talking? It's just like, well, let's look for those trends and let's see. One is cool, but two is the trend. There's the start of the trend. And that was something I took away from like week one to two was like Stribling was able to continue it. And we will talk maybe about some more players that qualify for that. But let's jump into some of the latest news right here on the tailgate. And one of the biggest ones we'd actually been speculating this for weeks. This was Kayshaun booty going to get traded. I had been throwing out new Orleans a whole lot because they had lost Jordan Tyson, you know, Louisiana connections and stuff like that. That had kind of been dismissed. And I think even Erickson had talked about the Patriots kind of dismissed that, but was booty going to get traded. He had requested it. We just didn't know. Well, guess what? It happened. And the Texans pulled the trigger after losing Jaden Higgins. We end up getting him for Jalen Reed and a pick Kayshaun booty goes to the Houston Texans where however, it's going to end up, you know, whether he's going to be a true number two, it's just going to be part of that big rotation. This is not a bad destination, but what the role is ultimately going to look like if he is the true number two, maybe it's a question, but Fitzy, what did you think about this trade and the overall impact of what the trade looked like? Did the Patriots get enough? And do you think booty is a really good fit in Houston? Yeah, hopefully. I mean, I think he's going to be a good fit. I think he's going to be sort of the clear out guy and creating space underneath and maybe pulling safeties further away from the box and the line of scrimmage and like just giving that running game more space, giving Nico Collins more space to operate underneath. I think they needed this because Tank Dell and Jalen Noel do their best work as slot guys that really left like Xavier Hutchinson is the only other viable outside receiver and Hutchinson's just okay at best. So plus Tank Dell coming off a major injury. Jalen Noel has had a problem staying healthy. They just needed another body at wide receiver and booty's like he made big plays for the Patriots. Like he's quietly become a pretty good player. Bugs. What do you think? Where's the fit for booty? And what do you think about this trade? Especially, you know, someone in those streets, no 90 P and everything. I think the role is exactly what fits. He said is, you know, he's going to be the go long guy to clear out that space in the middle. For those slot dudes, right? And I think it's just great insurance. You lose Jaden Higgins for the year. Tank Dell's coming off a major injury. Um, no, can't stay on the field right now. That's been weird. We know Nico Collins has an injury history. Xavier Hutchinson has a mediocre history. So I just think it was, I think it was a right move. Was it an overpay? Yeah, probably. I think Jalen Reed's going to be really good. I think it was a great acquisition by the Patriots. Um, you know, obviously younger and on a longer contract as well and in a more affordable contract, which is really nice. But I think that this is what Houston needed on the offensive side just to give themselves a little protection because they didn't have it last year. And, you know, we saw the offense just work way better once they went to Pittsburgh with Christian Kirk healthy, right? Like once everybody was healthy and in there, they looked way, way better. So I just think this is insurance for all of the injuries that they've been going through and they've had in the past. So I think it was a smart move on both. Sides. Can I also throw out this actually might look player. We're not talking about in this. Is this a big boost to what we should be looking at for DeMario Douglas? Like DeMario Douglas is kind of cleared out. Like he, I mean, he was like a primary, one of the highest primary slot running out of the slot guys last season in the NFL. And now not necessarily booties and take that away, but like, that's just a little bit more of a clear out. So now three wide receiver sets like pop looks like he can maybe thrive a little bit more and how people were maybe think, I mean, cause Romeo Dobbs is kind of a beast. AJ Brown is obviously the beast, but like pop goes in from almost maybe being irrelevant to now looking like he's got a really like hardcore stationary role. So I think that's really interesting that the Patriots were willing to do that. And I think DeMario is set up to be like in a really good space with the Patriots. I don't have his metrics sitting in front of me, but I do remember seeing pop Douglas come up all the time on like those positive metrics when I was doing my research in the off season and going, man, I wish he just had a little more playing time, you know what I mean? Or somebody, to clear out underneath like AJ Brown, like Romeo Dobbs. So I think that's a great point and a good name to watch pop Douglas. Yeah. Watch that pop there next up on the news to Sean Watson, who has done himself no favors in previous off seasons has done himself no favors as of recent. And he finishes off after the game with a really, really bad press conference, a press conference that he would probably love to take back where, you know, he's like sitting there, fixing, his earring, you know, dah, dah, dah, about how like it's so disrespectful very disrespectful how he's getting booed and it's like you're not about to tell me deshaun watson makes bad decisions are you let's not talk about disrespect in this case but um he goes on and on about him being booed blah blah blah and this is on the heels of the cleveland browns saying they're going to announce a court they're starting quarterback and they did and it's deshaun watson and that has created an echo chamber of uh tone deaf would be the word i think that a lot of people have said that the browns are on bogs and he takes on deshaun watson as a starting quarterback can this last for the season i think is my big question or is he going to get booed out of town i i thought he was going to get cut after the uh after the comments honestly and i know his cap hits like 128 million or something absurd but i i just think that that is the price you pay when you make a stupid move to go get deshaun watson like this like i just i feel like you can put up with a lot but disrespecting the fans directly i thought was uh just a bridge too far i thought there was a chance that he was going to get cut and not only did he not get cut they announced him as a starter but i think you do this if you're todd monken uh i apparently i'm assuming ownership said look we're not cutting him it doesn't matter what he said we're spending too much money on him we're not cutting him so i think this is a all right we're going to give him the first four weeks when we're one in three or oh and four whatever we are after that i can go to shador for the rest of the season we tried we tried deshaun watson they got their preview it didn't work and that's that so i mean that's how i that's what i think is being done with deshaun watson here but i i cannot believe that he is not only starting but also wasn't cut i know it's a ridiculous move but i think everyone in the world understands it at this point one thing i think that needed to be happened and this is why he's so tone deaf is people just want like transparency and honesty and like he needed to be out there and he needed to be out there and he needed to be out there and just be like listen i get it like i gotta work this season i hope i'm the number one quarterback because i gotta work this season to gain back everybody's trust and i got a lot of work to do with that that's what you needed to say not start throwing blame and talk how disrespectful it is to get booed so my question to you fitzy is who is more tone deaf deshaun watson or the cleveland browns for making this move because on top of all those things happening with deshaun watson you've got everybody that would have supported this team in cutting him doesn't seem like anybody wanted him regardless of the play they wanted shador sanders so who is more tone deaf boy that's a uh crowded metal stand for that one well i'm gonna say deshaun watson and you know what you said at the top of this of like wishing he could have a mulligan on that uh press conference woody like i mean he's been he's been sort of in denial about everything the whole time and he's never to blame for anything so i think getting i think he's showing a pattern of he's apologetic once he does something wrong and he's not he doesn't have the foresight to see ahead to not do the thing that was wrong so i agree with you i don't think like he would take the press conference back he's just like oh man people didn't like that sorry about that and it's like well you could have done the right thing before but doing the right thing before seems to be part of the issue right um but i understand why they're not cutting him i guess it's an 86 million dollar cap head i want to say for this year but um this is six million he's that actually i thought it was like 46 i think it's more than that uh i'll double check i got i got over the cap i'm looking right now but uh it's a lot either way yeah so he's the walking definition of sunk cost at this point so i feel like you just kind of look sorry you're not going to play but we're going to have 127 127 goodness gracious that's more than 86 is next year and that is more than probably half of entire mlb team salaries more than half of the teams in mlb are not even spinning out that would be the cap it's gonna get close to the brewers number yeah that's that's that is okay then the last thing on this uh 50 do you think that joshua watson is the best quarterback in the browns quarterback room no um if you know if i'm a stakeholder in fantasy and casey concepcion denzel boston harold fannin i want you to or sanders it's the quarterback not not deshaun watson and you know what they open with two road games and then they come home for week three game against the the panthers and i think they get the steelers in week four i would not be shocked if it were should do or sanders starting in time for that steelers game like we know even the home game maybe even that first home game yeah because like we know what the fan reception is going to be with deshaun watson in week three especially if he stinks it up in the first two weeks which based on what we've seen in the preseason is is probably going to happen like the the houston texans version of deshaun watson that that's gone there's no coming back no there's just this uh and then the final piece uh there's been a lot around breeze hall but aaron glenn said that breeze hall is on track to play week one against the titans i guess that's good news not any big necessarily big breakdown um fitzy do you think we are going to see that three rb implementation if breeze hall is available do you think they're going to lean on that do you think if breeze hall is active it's going to be a good thing going to be heavy him like how do you think this is going to shake out if breeze is active for week one i know isaiah davis has been banged up too i'm not sure what his current status is but i would expect that we're probably going to get a pretty healthy dose of braylon allen in week one on top of breeze hall like hopefully he starts gets most of the work but i i think you know and we've heard aaron glenn talk about it being a three-headed backfield anyway um so i do think we'll we'll see quite a bit of braylon allen in the mix and maybe them not stressing breeze hall is going to who's got a new deal and is playing and what's going to be a a you know a lost season for the jets with three draft picks they're not incentivized to go out and try to win eight games bugs do you think we might see a lot of screaming about breeze hall especially from fantasy owners after week one that like let's say he's active but then he gets like you know a pure like third or forty percent of the touches and it's heavy braylon do you think a lot of people are going to be crying about the usage and stuff i mean i think after week one probably but i've held firm to the fact that uh this will not be a three-headed monster this year because it it won't it can't be aaron glenn is trying to keep his job breeze hall is the best running back by a lot that's why they extended him so once breeze hall is a hundred percent it's going to be mainly breeze hall i think 75 to him 25 split between uh braylon allen and isaiah davis and won't work that way the first couple weeks because he is coming off an injury but seth and i talked to deepak chona yesterday going over a lot of injuries and breeze hall was kind of not even really on deepak's radar he said yeah they said two to three weeks that's the time frame it is you know because he gets hurt in the preseason there's like a five percent chance typically that uh they re-injure these things um any player who's hurt in the preseason the basic if you if you recover in time and have enough time to recover it's every week you miss in the preseason is like five percent more so maybe it's five percent ten percent uh chance to get hurt again but you know the first couple weeks maybe but after that it's like five percent more so it has to be breeze hall because he's the best weapon on offense it's gonna be fun gonna be a fun fun ride i mean you gotta love it uh coming off of preseason two when our three biggest headlines are two of our three are talking about the browns and the jets you know it is we are ready for some football season i know you guys are ready for some giveaways and we've been talking about this all month we have got a ladanian tomlinson autograph jersey for you here's all you got to do subscribe to the tailgate youtube channel right now and we'll see you next time then drop a comment below on any of the videos this month but if you're here do it on this one and bam hooked up we'll be announcing a winner right 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on some um some stock watch on some players but number one what have we learned fitzy i learned that dante myers of the cincinnati bangles is an underdog worth rooting for and i was watching bears bangles last weekend and dante myers was everywhere for the bangles he was catching passes he was returning kicks he's returning punts uh dante myers had five catches for 41 yards he had a run that picked up nine yards he had a couple of nice punt returns two for 34 yards also had two kickoff returns for 54 yards i had to find out what this guy was all about and the bangles beat writer for the athletic paul daner did a terrific story on myers that i read while i was watching that game so dante myers was a zero star high school recruit from atlanta he wound up at presbyterian college in south carolina it's an fcs school uh played there on an academic scholarship not a football scholarship then he transfers to delta state in mississippi had a couple of pretty good seasons nothing that would really put him on an nfl draft radar Then Myers had a rookie camp tryout with the The hometown Falcons after college didn't make the cut. This was 2023, but he just refused to give up football. He kept training, supported himself by driving for DoorDash, said he'd sometimes make deliveries till two or three in the morning. Then he'd wake up to train at 8 a.m. So Myers then goes to a tryout for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders of the CFL and had to pay $100 for the privilege of trying out. Saskatchewan gave him a futures contract for not a lot of money. That was 2024. In his first preseason game, he caught a touchdown pass, broke his wrist and played through it, finished the game, ended up on the practice squad for Saskatchewan, stayed there until late in the season, got a promotion to the roster, didn't do much right away. But then in 2025, Dante Myers kind of pops, gets a bigger role, has a thousand yard season as a receiver. A guy in the Bengals scouting department who monitors the CFL tells the rest of the scouting department about Myers and the team signs him. And Myers has reportedly been tearing it up in training camp, making plays every day. Now, I don't know if Dante Myers is going to make the final roster for the Bengals. They've already got a pretty good return man in Charlie Jones, who was like fourth in the league in kickoff return yardage last year. But you never know. Like maybe Myers could make the final 53. It would be great to see him at least make the practice squad so he can keep chasing the dream. I just I love these underdog stories. Hard Knocks, the HBO series, they're with the Seahawks this summer and they've been tracking this. Wide receiver, a second year UDFA named Montori Foster Jr. He's having a really good camp. My wife watches Hard Knocks with me. She doesn't love the sport of football itself, but she loves the human element, the personalities, the team component. Most of all, she loves the Hard Knocks underdog stories, the guys fighting for a roster spot and the drama of whether they're going to make it or not. So now she is emotionally invested in the future of Montori Foster Jr. I'm emotionally invested. In the future of Dante Myers. These are great August stories. And Myers just stood out as an amazing story. What do you think the best jobs are? Like, I was thinking about this as you said that, because there's one side of me that's thinking like, man, DoorDash and Uber and all those like they've actually killed the old Kurt Warner is a grocery bagger. And then, you know, he's bagging groceries and then he goes and he gets a job like in a good way. All those guys now have that. But like, are we going to see the death of the amazing stories of some guy that's like, well, I was laying brick, you know, at 5 a.m. And then, you know, at 10 a.m. I was catching balls and stuff like that. Like, I don't know if we're going to have any other great like work stories of guys doing goofy stuff. So I'm not like some serving ice cream. I'm doing soft serve. And then I went out like I I think DoorDash has kind of killed that for a lot of guys. Montori Foster on the Seahawks. He got his real estate license. So he's like studying, too. And he's it's funny because they're following. I'm on the show and he's finding out that he has to like pay these all these fees to keep the license or whatever. He's like, man, I got to start making money to cover some of these fees pretty soon. I got to sell something. That is cool. I don't know. I love that. Boggs, any do you have a player that had a great job? I mean, Kurt Warner is the only one that comes to mind of those type of things. I'm trying to think if there's any other great ones. Yeah. I mean, I'm not off the top of my head, but the gig economy, man, you could just sign up and go work for Uber or, you know, Postmates. Or any of those whatever places. So the next one, it's all going to be it's going to be two things. It's going to be that or it's going to be like that Indy Navarrete who it's going to be an actress. But it'll be like some guy is going to be trying to make a team and he's going to be a streamer and he's going to have like 700 subs or whatever. And it's like in between games, he'll be streaming like that is the new gig economy for the NFL. So that's a really cool story. I think a lot of people are with you, Fitzy, on whenever we can find those great stories. Hard Knocks has done a really good job of presenting some of those. You'd almost love for the NFL to do. Maybe a little bit more on those as well. You just presented a really good one. And Dante Myers, that's a good thing that you're watching. Boggs, second up here. Number two. What did we learn this week? We learned that Jack Strand is competing for the starting job in Atlanta. Right. Like Tua has been horrific. Michael Penix Jr. is not completely recovered from his ACL injury, although he's getting closer. But Jack Strand has looked great in camp. He's big, you know, six foot five. Two hundred forty pound rookie from Moorhead State. The stats last year at the FCS level were really good. Forty two passing touchdowns. He did have 14 picks, but also threw for thirty five hundred yards, ran for five touchdowns as well. Big strapping dude like, you know, the the epitome of the body that you want for a quarterback for sure. And this reminds me a lot of the Russell Wilson situation, right? Like Russell Wilson came in new coach Pete Carroll. Looked at Matt Flynn. They signed him to that big deal after he had one good game for the Packers where he threw five touchdowns or whatever and then just could not be Russell Wilson in camp. I don't think anyone's beat Jack Strand in camp right now. It doesn't mean he's going to be announced as a starter, but Stefanski today or yesterday, I believe, said that he is in the mix to win the starting job. So I think Jack Strand has a chance. And even if he doesn't win the job out of camp, I think he starts at least a game for the Falcons this year. I think this is going to be a bad year for the Falcons offense. The defense is really tough. Losing Jalen Walker for the year with the ACL tear and then James Pierce, you know, being suspended eight games. That was the draft class from last year. They did it because they needed edge rusher so bad. Right. So I think it's going to be a long year for Atlanta. And I think we see Jack Strand out there for at least one start. Summer ends, sick days, school bugs and last minute pharmacy runs don't. With Jace Medical, you can get. Get ahead of the chaos with emergency medications delivered to your door after an online physician evaluation. The Jace Medical Jace case includes 10 emergency medications, five antibiotics and five symptom relief meds to help cover more than 50 infections. Before school, travel and packed calendars turn one small problem into a big scramble. 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Listen to Our Town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I like the number three here, because going from a little bit of, like, what we've learned from some player focus before we get into our stock watch to kind of an overarching thing, and Fitzy, you're going to present to special teams to us. So from a macro team level, number three, what we learned is what? Yeah, that the Green Bay Packers special teams might not be a disaster for a change. And the Packers special teams have cost them so many games during the Matt LaFleur era. Over LaFleur's seven. seasons in Green Bay, the Packers have never ranked better than 50. 15th in special teams dvoa and they've had years where they've ranked 31st and 32nd now their special teams coach in recent years was rich bisaccia um green bay's special teams gaffs had become so numerous and so costly that packers fans they've been calling for bisaccia's head for a long time and i i know this is a packers fan and i was calling for his head was he the highest paid special teams coordinator at one point too he may have been because he was like the raiders interim coach for a while um and my buddy ck told me this many many times last year yeah he had a rep he had a good reputation and he got to green bay and just the special teams were terrible and the problem was that matt lafleur was reportedly close with bisaccia they were friends so this past offseason bisaccia left on his own or or so it was reported that he himself made the decision to leave no word on whether like he was under duress asked to leave but the packers new special teams coordinator cam akers he got his start in the nfl under bill belichick in new england and a cord is just by all accounts this ball of energy in training camp really well prepared it sounds like the players love him the packers new kicker trey smack sixth round draft pick i believe cannon for a leg and i guess he got off to kind of a shaky start in training camp but he has been money in the preseason he's kicked a couple of 58 yarders the return game looks pretty good with sky more and pierre strong jr kick coverage has looked a lot better like special teams have been a problem for green bay for so long uh they lost a game to the bears late last season because they couldn't field an onside kick they memorably lost uh this was pre-bisaccia but they lost an nfc championship game in seattle because they couldn't cover an onside kick green bay packers long special teams nightmare i don't want to jinx it but it might finally be over so is the macro point here because only fitzy could make special teams sound this interesting and make it a what we think it's going to be a we learned but for you is that the the special teams adjustment maybe a game changer on who the packers are this year because obviously they made big defensive plays you know they've got a strong offense is this like the missing link the last infinity uh um stone for the gauntlet to be unleashed for the packers this season is is maybe crazy as it sounds it's a big part of the game and it's a big edge like when we when i do the betting betting pro shows with matt peralt every week like i'm looking at special teams dvoa and like who's got the you know who are the sneaky good special teams and who's bad and sometimes it's not who you'd expect i think the jets last year maybe it was two years ago with chris banjo a former green bay packer special teams player like he had turned into a really good special teams coach and even though the jets stunk everywhere else their special teams were terrific so it can give you a little bit of an edge it didn't give the jets an edge but uh like that's that's the hidden the edge in in betting sometimes and just overall winning games i think it's like a quarter of games finished within three points so having a better kicker one that can make their field goals specifically late in the season we'll see about that and has the name of the florida boy but by the way great name yeah better than i feel like there was a kicker a couple years ago named blew it there was a closer for sure named blew it uh a relief pitcher in yeah mlb named blew it so that's like just have your name changed to save it right like well in baseball but this is like i mean make it a kicker named smack like what could you just have like richard bigfoot like that would be the only other like big great name it's an all-time name it's an incredible one uh this final piece would be a lot of that would be i didn't think of the richards i just just clicked with me that's the name robert robert bigfoot maybe yeah yeah jonathan bigfoot whatever either one of those would work maybe not what i said uh the final one is one for both of you guys fitzy put this on here and i think it's a really really great one and it number four is tyrone tracy and the note here is tyrone tracy has no future for the giants it has been a bad run after bad run uh whether it's pass blocking issues obviously naji harris has put kind of a hyper focus on this but um fitzy put this on here i want to start with you boggs and we'll go to fitzy do you buy that tyrone tracy has no future with this this team after the signing and how the preseason is gone because i think this is a very valid takeaway from the second preseason week yeah i mean look d bro was harping on it last week right on this show on the tailgate about how uh tyrone tracy whiffed that block that's why they went out and got naji you know and traded for lele both them with whiffed on that block that got jackson dark killed so um i do think you know when you have scataboo you have devin singletary and it seemed like you know you have one of the better running back rooms in the league and then you go out and get naji well it tells me one or two things it tells me someone's getting cut and it's either singletary or tracy and i you know scataboo's not absolutely 100 now neither is naji he's coming off a torn achilles as well uh but i i think i agree with this i think tyrone tracy is probably gone i he'll definitely latch on with another team before the season starts but uh yeah i think he's probably his days are numbered for the new york giants what was what what was the moment that you realized tyrone tracy uh was not long for the giants anymore was it the signing of naji harris was it him getting blown up like when did when did this realization hit in week two in the game against the dolphins saturday when uh devin singletary was at running back for all eight snaps that jamis winston played he was the starting quarterback for the giants and so like eight games for the or eight snaps for the and then um singletary leaves and tyrone tracy enters the game later so tracy clearly behind naji harris and devin singletary and i don't think the giants keep three running backs barring some sort of injury but what's weird is that welsh i mean tyrone tracy has had more than a thousand yards from scrimmage each of his first two nfl seasons 38 catches as a rookie 36 catches last year um he came into the league as an older prospect so he's going to be 27 and he's going to be 27 in november i guess like he's probably at the ceiling but man i mean the the this new regime john harbaugh just they are not going to let a mistake like nearly getting jackson dart killed uh clearly holding it against tyrone tracy and i would imagine like he would not be on the open market for very long there are teams that would need his services maybe someone like the raiders who all of a sudden were just uh for a few moment looking at having rookie mike washington uh be their lead running back i think it seemed like the 49ers could as well they've been just like yes all throughout the preseason they've just been looking at different running backs and trying them out and uh you know they just made a move off of uh i think it was white uh but you know they might bring in someone like that like with a with a cam black and him kind of competing with jordan james of the fray i don't know if they would go that way but to your point major point there's a multitude of teams that would look at him but it doesn't look like tyron tracy is going to play a predominant role with the giants this year whether he's moved on in the preseason or it happens earlier i'm gonna go to washington throw a wrench into that whole situation i mean the worst case scenario would be like yeah like a dicey running back group or something like that i mean if you're trying to project and you're trying to like look at it for fantasy uh we're gonna talking about players here that's a little stock down for a player we are going to talk about some stock ups uh but before we do as mentioned not only for your opportunity to win the league but also for your opportunity to win the league and for your tommerson jersey to make sure you're subscribed on the youtube leave comments hit the like button subscribe do all the great things but if you're listening on a podcast make sure you follow leave us a comment give us rating and reviews on a lot of podcast spots you can do it it really helps uh for more nfl fans to find this show so the tailgate can grow bigger and stronger with all the great crew that we've got going on thank you guys for hanging out with us and uh whether it's youtube or podcast there's easy ways for you guys to help stock up these are individual players through the preseason because you got to be careful about who you're really going to buy into on some of these performances but let's do a little uh stock look here and pat you picked the guy that i had last week but as i said earlier in the show how many players have we seen carry over week in and week out so your stock up is dejan stribling so he is back into this so talk to us about what this second week did for you to continue this rise where we had just did an episode by the way on fantasy pros where we looked in real-time adp he has moved in as a top 100 player and he's been a great player for us for the last 98th off the board so i know real nfl fans you probably dabble i would imagine the majority of the people here are crossovers to the fantasy side but to understand the the rise that dejan stribling has had that he is now 98th overall the 40th wide receiver going off in the fantasy streets is a crazy crazy big jump and the last two weeks have helped so fitzy we just talked about this with stribling so uh break down the stock up in your eyes of dejan stribling yeah four catches for 46 yards on five targets in preseason week two i now believe he's got something like 10 catches in approximately 20 minutes of preseason game action um he's big he's fast he is hard to tackle and he has hands like suction cups like the ball just sticks it looks like spider-man snaring these passes in the preseason i mean he just he looks like he belongs um it was funny that there was all the hullabaloo about where he was drafted at the the first the top of round two first pick of day two of the nfl draft um everyone thought the 49ers reached and like he now looks like he was under drafted as the first pick of day two like he has just been that good now we've talked about it on the other show welsh like is there going to be room for straddling to contribute with mike evans debo samuel george kill christian mccaffrey maybe not but boy i mean like all those guys are 30 or older like this could be the the dose of dynamism that the the 49ers were maybe hoping they were going to get from ricky pierce all before he uh came up lame so man i mean this guy is so intriguing he blocks like he might be he might be their new brandon iuk can i ask you was was it the move from week one into week two that that really did change your mind because obviously this has been buzzing there's so much buzz about it but like was it seeing it happen again what because it was a much like much bigger in our face off of week one but then week two happened again it was like here we go right off the top so was it seeing it over multiple weeks or was there something more in week two that made you jump more than week one just that it seems like their whole mo because he's he's the only guy playing we're not seeing any of these other starters play and it seems like the focal point of those drives is like hey let's get started we're not seeing any of these other starters play and it seems like the ball and see what he can do let's get him targets and see what he can do first week like oh you did pretty well second week works again i mean it's just like working splendidly making this guy the focal point of their passing game granted for really small doses of these two games but man he's passed every test so far dude he's our uh what's that game on price is right the yo the yodeler they just they continue going up like every episode he just he continued he's our yodeler for i'm not the only one with that reference fitz i said this on the dynasty pod a bunch of times and worm was like you know you've said this three times yeah right i didn't realize i've said it this many times but i have no idea what what you're talking about when you know what the yodeler is young man oh man i mean man he had the internet when he stayed home from school he didn't have to watch the prices right i was about to say like your life in calling out sick or something like that or being out you know school sick was you just sit on the couch and you watch prices right and you pick your favorite games and yodeler was always like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god and that's the sean shriveling all right i thought shriveling like you know i i agree with you guys like the stock has to be raised i'm still somewhat skeptical skeptical on his um performance early in the season i think kittle's gonna be back mike evans is gonna be back cmc is your number one seat in terms of touches so i do question his you know fantasy value i thought he was brought in more for special teams and to block and learn so i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like so i think what we're seeing is surprising in that there's a lot of guys that pop in camp and then don't do anything in the games and he's done both so uh it's really really a good off season here uh pre-season for stripling interesting one for you um for your um spotlight on the stock watch here you've got a running back who had some heavy usage but there's been a lot of questions about who the number two for this team is going to be so uh stock watch is who jayden blue uh hook him by the way i think you guys took the two most pertinent names on this we already talked about jack strand a little bit earlier so i really you know it was hard for me to find another guy here but they did let jayden blue run right and i think this was kind of a test if should anything happen to giovante williams is jayden blue a guy that can handle the ball more than 10 times a game so they gave him 15 carries he had 75 yards a lot of praise heaped upon him from brian schottenheimer as well he said there's night and day improvement in his approach to the ball approach and his growth from last year he said there was a turning point at some point in the offseason where jayden blue has looked like a completely better player his football intelligence has been described as off the charts so it's just all this praise on jayden blue and he still might not be the number two it might still be uh malik davis there but that's where i was going to go that's kind of the narrative right now is that like no one like they didn't want to hand him that job and malik's you know ability for pass blocking like could keep him away for it so i think on a game-to-game basis it will be malik davis as the two but i think if anything happens to giovante i think that is when jayden blue would step up that's interesting because i kind of you and i had a like a pick on fight about the katron allen where like you saw katron allen get all the carries and i talked about it was one of the most inefficient like technical like pre-season outings of how inefficient he was with those carries you see in the pre-season injuries right but to me it's like what what is the battle between the volume you see from guys that are in the vicinity of a battle versus like what the production actually means like you know because sometimes volume in pre-season it's actually not it's not good yeah yeah i understand that but i think that those two guys in particular like blue's not getting cut so you give them a bunch of touches to test him i think it's the same thing with katron allen i don't think katron allen's getting cut i would say it's more likely that katron gets cut and jayden blue gets cut jayden blue's already made it a year right so and he was bad last year so to make it this year when he didn't have a good season as a rookie i think means a little bit more than it does kate for katron allen but i do think that um i i just i think the opportunity is obviously better in washington because they don't have a really good back i don't think chicory kruski merits very good i don't think white is a guy that you want being a three down back i think he's a role player so the ultimate answer for washington might be a running back next season uh in the draft or a free agent or something but i think that jayden blue you might be the handcuff for giovante should something go down but like you said on a game-to-game basis i think davis is the number two for two what do you think about jayden blue here and also curious at your take on like when you do see the volume of guys like allen and blue like that doesn't necessarily mean it's a great thing but blue was efficient you have any thoughts on this one yeah i agree with that volume can be kind of a negative thing it's it's interesting i feel like they're sort of they want to see both of these guys i feel like they view it as an open competition because didn't blue play i don't know i don't know i don't know if they're going to ahead of malik davis in preseason week one but in week two i think it was davis in before blue was it not that's right yeah yeah so which i don't necessarily see as any sort of shift in the packing order i just think that these guys are maybe sort of like 2a and 2b so the final one here this is my guy and as you mentioned if you're looking at a couple players one of the players you're probably going to think of is mike washington and i actually would take out i thought this was the pertinent guy before the weird injury thing that happened so obviously we didn't even mention this at the top this is actually kind of my mistake here one of the biggest stories out there but it's we all breathe a sigh of relief is ashen genti ashen genti got rolled up um earlier in the week and he had to be i it wasn't carted out but i think he couldn't put pressure on it there was like a six hour period where dynasty owners were just like you thought they were wall street like you thought they were like wall street like wall street like wall street like they're trying to make stock deals like ashen genti deals yeah go ahead i'm doing the flex draft right uh and it's a slow draft on uh mfl and i had mike washington on my board and then woody marks below him and all of that for my like auto pick like i queued it and you know i took mike washington i think this happened like an hour after the genti injury and the guy picking behind me had genti and jake texts me he's like was that really your pick were you really going to take mike washington because the guy behind you took genti and i thought it was going to be fair and i was like i mean that was my guy you know so uh just very very strange there that it all happened and i got that text well and there was a period of time where it was like you saw in some drafts genti was falling to the sixth round mike washington was going as high as the third round uh people are worried we might have lost genti for the season then we get a there were you know just absolute garbage bait accounts that are just like my sources tell me and it's like yeah your sources you mean the clicks that you're trying to get to get paid on social media got it um there's no reality to any of that ankle sprain now ankle sprains we have not heard the severity because a high ankle sprain could have him maybe miss a month of the season uh low ankle sprains he could be available for week one where we are sitting at is recording this episode that's why i forgot to put it at the very top is that there is a hope that he's obviously mike washington he raised in just everybody's perception but it is now two straight weeks where he has looked phenomenal and he looks explosive he was averaging over six yards per carry in this game on uh this weekend nine for 56 so you saw him get a little bit of volume in there he continues to show really really incredible breakaway speed now i don't think nor do is it really look like a guy that you're going to give like a predominant amount of carry so like even in a scenario where a guy like ashley is gone if that were to happen i'm not even sure they would feel comfortable or wanting mike washington to get the brunt of all of it but he looks like a guy if you give him 15 touches he you are guaranteed a big explosive breakaway he just looks great in the open field so regardless of genti or not uh mike washington got a lot of people's attention the previous week and he's doing it again and he just keeps making those big plays so i think our perception of him and what he can be continues to move up fitzy i ask you do you think there's a scenario where genti already got kind of banged up he gets back how good mike washington is could mike washington be forcing a hand that they want to get him more involved? I don't know what that ends up looking like. Maybe it's nothing more than a Keaton Mitchell in previous years with like the Ravens or something like that. Or could it be something where they're like, we got to get this guy 10 touches per game in some way because his stock is moving up. And I think that's at least got to be in the conversation. I think they have to like what they see and feel justified that they spent what fourth round draft capital on him. But there is a reason that a guy with the size speed profile of Mike Washington fell into day three of the draft. Like he didn't really pop until he was a fifth year senior at Arkansas after being at some lesser schools. Doesn't have really good advanced metrics in college. Like his missed tackles forced rate was pretty terrible. His fumble rate was kind of concerningly high. Just like doesn't always take on contact the way you'd like to see a bigger back. Do he has looked undeniably good early in the preseason, albeit going against, you know, some backup defenders and vanilla defenses. So, but again, like you can only pass the tests that are given to you and he has done that so far. So maybe he is forcing that. I just, I think now maybe they just view him like, yeah, he's clearly our number two. He's earned that whether they feel the need to. Get him 10 touches a game. I don't know if it's to that point yet. Yeah. Arbitrary number of something out there, but bugs, what do you think about Washington? You can speak on the potential touches per game. They don't want to get him usage or they just feel comfortable. They got a guy, no matter how you chalk it up, his stock is up, but it's like what level is probably, um, you know, that's, that's the optional one. The clear handcuff to Ashton Gentry now, right? Like in Dylan lobbies look good too. Like now that you have a coach that actually knows how to use a guy like Dylan lobby, I feel like he's a great in the preseason as well. So I do think if, if Gentee was out, uh, longer than we expected at this point, because, you know, and I hate the vagueness of this, but they said, yeah, the, uh, ankle sprain is more low than high, like whatever that means. So, uh, thanks for the clarity there clears mud. So, uh, just kind of dumb, but I think the reason we were disappointed that Mike Washington landed in Vegas is because, uh, Ashton Gentee was top 10 in touches as a rookie last year behind a line that was bad. Like you don't want to keep giving Gentee touches, but they had to, because the quarterback situation was so bad. So I still think it's, you know, Gentee by a mile over anybody else on this team. But I do think that Mike Washington has proven himself and he has given us the absolute handcuff for Gentee here. I think maybe it was a little bit of a question before that in probably going to be more 50 50, but I think should Gentee be out of the picture on a week to week basis, I think it'd be 75, 25 Washington and lobby. So I think that Washington, has made himself a nice handcuff here. We'll make sure you guys drop below in the comments. What players are in your stock up? What did you learn this week? We'd love to hear from you. And when you do so, and you're subscribed, you're putting yourself in a good position to win that LaDainian Tomlinson Jersey. Couple of things going down. College football is right around the corner and you can catch Bogman and Seth Wilcock over on the betting pros college football channel. That's what you can search on YouTube. Make sure to follow them. What do you guys got going on? You guys are going to have, you're going to have bets for a week. Zero I'm recording that today. That's in two hours. My friend, we got week zero bets, week zero props. We are ready to go. Uh, love week zero. We get extra football. I am very, very excited for it. Awesome. Another thing to check out. This is coming up on the next episode of tailgate. This is going to be awesome. And this is why you want to be dialed into all the things we're doing. Andrew Erickson has put together the tailgate fantasy draft, and it is happening with our listeners. And I believe it's happening in our district. So we have the fantasy pros discord, fancy pros.com/chat the, the overarching here. You can join that. And what, uh, Erickson did is he went in and pulled 15 members of the fantasy pros discord, and they're going to come over here on tailgate. And it looks like worm D bro and Fitz are going to share a team and they are going to draft it for the tailgate boys. And there are rules there's punishment for if these guys don't make the playoffs and there's some prizes. And that is a tailgate exclusive. So make sure you guys are tuned in a 16 team draft. The tailgate fantasy draft is going to be happening right before the season comes up. So it should be a great episode with those guys. And that's another reason why you want to hang out with us, the tailgate, where we can incorporate fantasy into NFL talk. Lots of great stuff here. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it and looking forward to talking some real in-season stuff as well. So make sure you go check out betting pros for the next preseason action and the betting pros college football channel, and then some fantasy. Some fantasy action on the next tailgate episode. That's going to do it for us here at the tailgate for bog men and Fitzy. I'm Welsh. You guys have a great one. And we'll talk to you next time, right here on the tailgate route. You could wait agonizing. Hours just to try and get a doctor's appointment, or you could prepare ahead of time with Jace medical Jace makes it simple for families to stay ready with kits like the Jace case. 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