NFL Draft Preview, New Additions & Why Charlize Theron Loves Stunts, Serial Killers & More | EP 188

you got to do the opening ceremony at the Winter Olympics this year. How is that experience? It was a great experience. It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes. It really is a special event that takes place on the national worldwide scale. And then you see the smallest thing go wrong. And you're just like, it's because the stink is so high, right? If it wasn't the four-year thing, it would be fine, right? I don't know. You're probably going to lose, right, Travis, but you fucking playing, you got to keep playing. You got to just love it. When we're out there, we have 11 other guys on the, or 10 other guys on the field with us going through it together. All eyes on them. You guys have had that feeling, right? I lost a super bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet. Welcome back to New Heights ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a Wendry show. And we are your host, I'm Travis goes to my big brother Jason Keltsy on the Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the calves, baby. Yeah, how about that? James Harden, man. Yeah, shout out to the calves. Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcasts. If all the show and also is meeting at New Heights show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. And this is the part of the show where Jason tells us what we have coming up. Well, not a super series. We got another great episode this time brought to you by Liquid Ivy. It's one of the greatest weeks in the NFL because it's draft week, right? It's a week. It's lottery time. It comes to coming through for everyone. Oh, it's glorious. And if you've been waiting for your chance to see New Heights live, we've also got another great announcement for you. We are going to be announcing that later last night. We also have Charley Starran is here. Awesome new movie coming out. Talk a little apex. Before we get any of that, let's give him some of that news news. Before we do anything, we have to have a moment for this slice of brisket. Oh, the camera man or woman who ever took this photo. The fuck is this guy? Lane and Kelsey Johnson's wedding. So good. Shout out to Lane and Kelsey, man, for tying it, man, that's awesome. I thought I looked horrendous when this wedding. This photo came out really good. Probably a good angle. Where did you get the scarf in the Bolo? We landed in the Nashville. That's where the wedding was. We went from straight from the masters. You and I were at there. And we wanted to get a Bolo me bow Allen cowboy hat. We go in there. I didn't love the Bolo tie selection. It was okay. And then there was like a one that was it was like just like a little thing with a ring around it. And I was like, oh, like that one looks dope. And they're like, well, that's more for like a scarf. And I was like, oh, maybe I should I do a scarf. And everybody was like, yeah, well, let's see what it looks like. And we got the scarf. I said, I'm going to rock it. I don't know. I've never wore a scarf, but I kind of did. You fucking make the scarf fucking rock, dude. This is awesome. It was on for about 30 minutes and then was off. But yes, we got to let it breathe. Got to let breathe in there. Yeah. The Kelsey way. It was the look definitely really came together in a way that I was not expecting. Wedding was awesome. It was like a big reunion. So many look to players off its alignment. It was great. It was a tremendous. That's awesome. Band was awesome. People were dancing. Got to love a good wedding band. Man, fuck. It's in the middle of a field. Like a little ranch wedding. I mean, it was just like a pop up barn in the middle of like some tall grass. They came out of a pasture. And they all just got like, yeah, it's great. I wouldn't expect anything else from Lane. I was like, man, Lane, that's a, that's a long walk from the main lane. Shout out to Lane and Kelsey, man. It looked amazing up there. And we also got a little bit of Jason Kelsey back on the ice. Are you jumping into the battle of Pennsylvania with the fliers and the pens going at it? I wish. I wish in another life for maybe. But do you look? No, we set up this. It looked apart. I do not look apart, especially if you watch the video. We watch the video. I can't skate at all anymore. The kind folks over at Bauer were sitting up. They're outfitting me. They saw a video I did earlier this year with down in Jacksonville. There's a, there's an awesome facility where it's like a bar sports bar inside of an ice rink. Oh, yeah, we talked about it. Hey, you got a little men's league action. Yeah. So there was some of that. And they said, hey, if you want to get outfitted with a bunch of gear. So we kind of set this up a while ago, even before the playoffs were clenched. And they got me some skates. Skates are probably a little too big. So we're going to size it down. Maybe a tad. What are you rocking? I got to resize. I haven't gotten these skates in a while. They were 13s. Would you usually go size down from a shoe? So it was a 13 skate. I think I'm more like a 12 and a half. I don't know. We're going to try the next one down. See if it fits a little bit better. But it was all like personalized. It was, it was really cool. Awesome for Bauer to do that. At this day and age, you don't need to be fucking out here, like, feed, like, fucking in there so you can get quick feed and like it. You just got to be comfortable out there. I agree. You want comfort. So we, we definitely were going with the Supremes as opposed to the vapors. But the Supremes now, they're not like as thick as they used to be. They're still power. Supremes, man. Those things were fucking sweet when we were kids, man. It is crazy seeing the difference of like technology and the equipment now from when we were playing when we were younger. Did you guys watch hockey at all this weekend? Did I? Did flyers. That flyers game was fucking awesome. Do Philly and Pittsburgh have beef? It's all, it's a rivalry for sure. I wasn't aware of how much hatred there was until I got online with it and who was it? Senators in Calgary, fucking shoes, the puck drop, fucking Kitchuck again, fucking our guy Kitchuck install. Yeah, usual. I know he placed her out of. I don't know who the other team was. I forget who else is that. Oh, it's Carolina. Carolina. Hurricanes. Yeah, Philly, Pittsburgh was good. The last time the flyers are pretty good with Jiru Hartnell, who now does like the post game commentary. Jacob, Jakub Vorechek, those guys were playing the penguins in the playoffs the last time early in my career. It's been a while since they've been back. I mean, they might have been back one more time. They were reminding flyers fans of this, yes. And flyers fans were threatening to kill the penguins at the zoo. So like, it was a good, good spirited back and forth from the very flyers fan like. Oh, you guys, how many guys got? We'll kill the penguins. You're like, okay, guys chill, chill. I just love play off hockey. There's their cross checking each other off the puck. They're like, and the rest of the area is murdering people. Did you did you guys watch the Sabers game at all? The first? How many years they've had to play? I saw the tailgate from the Sabers. The rollerbladers. That's honestly, it was a fucking man. Yeah. The arena was Sabers Mafia. Look at it. Watch out for the blazers, dude. One more like it's such a good man. That was great. But yeah, play off hockey is just by far the best. The game is so fun when it's you're going to go to a game when it gets back to Philly. Yeah. I would love to. I think I won't be a fortune. I'll be out of town. The second game is tonight in Pittsburgh. I think I'm out of town by the time they come back to Philly. I'm going to go to the flyers game without you, Jason. Go for it. They're fucking awesome. They're a good time. Philly doesn't love me unless I'm with you. Dude, if you show up to a flyers game, Philly will be all lit. That fucking blew me the old time. Yeah, you probably get a little bit of booze, but they're also you have to say, I love those booze. Booze are cheered at me. I love a boo. Philly, it off your booze is kind of like also a term of endearment. Yeah, it's kind of respect. I don't know if it's respect in some some ways. Yeah, I wouldn't say that either. It's more like a acknowledgement of annoyance. Yeah. But when I show up in my fucking Eric Lindrow's jersey, you were a big flyers fan growing up actually. That was your team. I had a whole like like Florida ceiling poster of Eric Lindrow's now just like if I could just be this tall and sweet. The Claire was your guy. That was the guy you talked about a lot. I was 88 and hockey. Yeah, I was 88. My like 88. I always thought I was a fucking dope number. I'm just a man, Claire, Brenda Moore. I was always into the avalanche growing up because I liked Forsberg and Juan, Rob Lake, Sackick. You guys want big Mike Madonna fans? I love Mike. I love you know what? We didn't have it. We didn't have a team. So we were like, we like players. Yeah, we were fans of the big names on every 15th. The blue jackets didn't come around until we were in like middle school. Yeah. And their junior jacks were in our like Cleveland, suburban hockey league for some other fucking reason. Maybe there wasn't like a big league in Columbus yet. But I just remember one to fucking beat the shit out of those kids every single time. I was like, junior, junior fucking the fuck out of here. I'm with you. I feel like we actually did. I think I fought a coach actually. I fought a coach. That's aggressive. It got bad. I scored like five goals and like was talking shit to their bench. And then at the end of the game, I thought we were like shaking hands or like doing the like everybody skates past each other. Yeah, yeah. And then their player fucking hit me. I hit him. Then I got into a brawl of the players. The coach that was in the line shaking hands grabs me by the back of my jersey. And I just said, what the fuck? Wow. Sounds like the coach. And you already know, you're on the fucking ice. You're on the fucking ice. You're on the ice with shoes on. So now it looks like he just got knocked out by a eighth grader. The Ed Kelsey big pops fucking mom called him, I'm on the way. I was like, don't ever do that. And when I'm not there, don't you ever put your mother in that situation? I'm like, I don't plan on hitting a grown ass man ever again in my life, Dad. Dad, that was not a choice that I wanted to make. There's a weird moment in like a kids life where you realize that you can, you can beat up like a fool again. And it was, that was one of the moments I was like, okay, I don't, I don't know if that's true for everybody, guys. I'm a little taller than this guy, definitely towering over him on skates. I think you guys maybe are a different athletic abilities than some of us. Mine was with Dad himself. We were like in the house and he had just like, I did something where I was mouth and off to him. I'm sure, but he was like, I was like, mouth and off. I don't know what I said to him to get him so riled up. And he just like, you think you're, oh, the big tough football guy, you think you're the big guy? And he like tried to like wrestle me to the ground, but he just kind of like fell and like was, like ankle biting me basically and I just like fell down. Because I said, oh my god, this is like, I feel so bad for Dad. [ Laughter ] So play off hockey, play off basketball, it's a fun time to get your fix in, man. Going from March Madness to play off basketball and play off hockey, this is a very fun, and the masters in golf heating up too, it's a very fun time for sports. Fuck yeah. No doubt about it. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. The ending to that fucking harbour town with a chef wearing a Fitzpatrick. Yeah. If you're familiar with that, man. That was a fucking fun one to watch. All right. Well, biggest piece of new news. Fuck it. We're going live. That's right. We're taking a show on the road. New Heights is live in LA. We're taking our talent's west coast. We're going to be at the Orpheum Theater June 15th. We're talking surprise guests, big time audience interaction, all the usual new Heights energy live in front of the crack. Yeah, baby. Get back to that. Yeah, baby. Get back to that. Get back to that. Get back to that. Yeah, baby. Get back to that. Yeah, baby. Get back to that. Yeah, baby. Get back to that. Even if for the live shows, man, we're pumped for it always is always is already a little t-shirt cannon I owe Jason a fucking t-shirt cannon right the fucking side of the dome God shot went at me fucking three feet Didn't connect it didn't connect definitely connected I remember new news new merch that's right the new heights essential spring collection is here You guys have been asked for we finally have new heights crew necks as you see right now Here, that's not a crew neck. That's a nice t-shirt Travis has but it was also a cool design the crew neck the Cleveland Heights T the globe hoody Ooh, that one's actually sick. I like that one a lot the new heights of monogram T all of it is now available on Kelsey Clubhouse dot com If you want to support new heights wear some merch show people that your fans in the show I love wearing these things or just get us to give you a big high five the moment we see it. 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I think it highlights one of the best coaches and Eagles history He's one of the best storytellers of all time too, man He's he's so fun to talk to man He's got stories for days and it's just such cool insight like sitting here talking to Stout just on the pod alone Really here and how much he loved this game and he loved teaching this game He's just love being around guys that that desired that knowledge man and and and really you know took that knowledge and ran with it Like yourself like a Brent Selik or a dorm Melada. So and I'll even be tuned in. I missed the roundtable But I got I got some action in with him here on new heights awesome Last thing shout out to bacon So a lot of people don't don't know this I went on an epic golf trip last week from a hoopies match club to the masters Which is probably the two top destinations in in the state of Georgia to to play some golf and to see some golf and yeah my guy DJ young Chuck Charlie Grace kind of You know pioneered the entire weekend and and and help us get into a hoopie But even then man patty bakes on a whole 5 fucking hits his first hole in one at a hoopie match club We're going nuts as you can see as the beers in his hands He had just shot gotten a beer before the before the actual hit walks up to the hole couldn't see the ball go in So we're walking up to it. He thinks he hits it over the green He's all his dog that himself holding his beers in his hand He walks up to the hold just to peek in it and sure enough that ball is laying right there in the cup And and we all start going nuts start chugging beers and About five beers later after three holes bacon's walking around like Anybody got a Hartburn medicine. God damn it. I got too excited But from going from a hoopie to the masters. We then saw Shane Lowry right after I talked to you on that front lawn The next day the hit a hole in one on six and we were up at the top Next to the the t-box and if you bend to the masters whole six is a huge It's a drop and you had a beautiful look at the hole and man That thing was tracking at the entire time and the t-box turned into a fucking mash pit Everybody starts banging shoulders going nuts throwing beers in the air I'm like this is the masters you can't do this and Augusta But sure enough man when you hit a hole in one it doesn't matter where you're at man The people are gonna go nuts so shout out to Shane for for dropping that in and Shout out to old patty bakes getting his first hole in one and It was it was an epic weekend of a lot of fun with so my closest friend So it's dope. I can't tell you how jealous. I don't I've still never seen a hole in one You saw two of them that way there are four that happened in the part three I've seen like six hole in ones in my life and the closest I've ever gotten is waste management where I dropped to like four feet I can't I can't even get close to a hole in one I've seen pat my home is literally shoot a skyrocket in the air go in the cup Bounce 20 feet out of the hole and then like it had like a 40 foot But then he almost drained like I've seen some fucking crazy shots of some part threes man. We can't Move on from this without taking a look at this picture this very proud picture of patty bakes on the green right after his hole in one Edo hoopie and without giving a shout out to just the most glorious calves It's honestly like it looks like they're implants like it doesn't look like it's possible for someone of that That's sure to have cast like you got you got fucking you got a you got both talks in his calves Like if he was a woman you would for sure think he had a BB on his cash He's not it's just his natural Dog one of the funniest thing. This is what AI is good for right here one of the wildest things is that a hoopie actually has Zebra's on property So when you're playing and Jason Jason you played there. It's an epic work. They're over the fair over the other It's on property you can definitely see him and and it's one of like the unique things about about the course I'd definitely grab like a putter cover that said the shape of the zebra. It's one of my favorite putter covers now One of the homies decided to AI bake it on top of a zebra Yeah, but this is this is good. This is how you know it's AI those regular cash. >> Those are not panty-bakes cash. >> I mean, no, no, that's a kind of meaty soup. >> That's not enough though, that's not enough. >> Oh, panty-bakes. >> It's epic with the garage beard his hand, more fitting than the Miller lights that he was out there crushing on the course. So good man. Shout out to panty-bakes, and that's it for a new news. Thank you to our partner Liquid IV when it comes to travel. I love a good road trip or discovering the best food spot in the city. Yep, that's right. You're driving through some random town, see a line out of the door at any tiny place, and you just know you got to try it. You know it's going to be good. Next thing you know, you're telling everybody about the best tacos you've ever had, and those unplanned detours, well, that's what it's all about. 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Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quilt that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate, North American insurance company, and affiliates Northbrook, Illinois. I'm not saying that Jets super bows tomorrow. Jason, you can say it if you want. I, I wrote it. It's fine. I'll say I don't play anymore. I mean, it is very funny. Thank you. Uh, to be an asshole. It's not nice. How are the Jets super bowl is tomorrow? And I can say that because I'm a browns fan growing up, which is also their super bowl. That's right. The NFL draft is this week. Yeah, man. What? Taking strays already as fucking April. That's right. We're recording this on a Monday. So the Dexter Lawrence trade is the biggest draft news right now, which is fucking huge. He goes from the NFC to one of our AFC rivals. And don't love that because sexy Dexie is a big piece to being a really good team. There's a picture of him going viral and he's just like a, of course, he is huge enormous. And people are like, oh my gosh, he's out of shape like guys. He's a fucking. He was like, he was just fine. What should I wear? Maybe I should wear something like a black shirt or something. Something slimming. Yeah. There ain't no slimming that motherfucker. He came through. I'll speak on Dexter because I had to block him. I mean, and for me, I feel very lucky that I got to play him young in his career before he had figured out all my tricks that I tried to use against him because I was the only way I was surviving. You know, what's really interesting with Dexter is he really flourished when Week Martin Dale got to New York and used a lot more five man fronts, head up on the center, shades on the center. He got a lot of one-on-one matchups and he would just, I mean, there was not really a lot of centers in the NFL that could block him. He's still great rushing from the three technique in the big gap over guards. But that was like kind of when it really took off. And Wink would also bring these blitzes from all over the place. So you had to be worried about that stuff as well, so you couldn't just double them. It'll be interesting to see how he's utilized in Cincinnati. You know, Al Golden predominantly four-down, he'll play five man fronts. You know, getting this guy, I would really try and find ways to give him one-on-one matchups with the center, put him over the center and zero techniques and one techniques early downs. You know, I'm obviously not a Divots coordinator. I don't know the ramifications for a lot of that stuff. I just know watching the tape from a few years when Wink was a decoordinator and he was doing that, he was virtually like unblockable. I mean, you would watch the tape and it's like, God damn, guys, like it just destroying centers. And I mean, he is a massive you meet. He's every bit of six, every bit of six four, if not six five, you're over 340 easily and can move. He's a dancing bear. And he, even when you see it, when he's doing his sexy dexie, which you do not want to see. So this is a big big add for the bangles. I hope they utilize him in a way that, you know, really accentuates when he's had the most success in his career. So yeah, big move for the bangles, a big pick, this is the first time the bangles. I think you've given up a top 10 pick for another player in a long time. I saw some stat that is not in the rundown, but they haven't traded away a top 10 pick for a player in a long time. They kind of been notorious for going through the draft instead of kind of giving guys contracts like this. But I mean, yeah, sexy dexie, he got him at least a one year for 28, wasn't it? Whatever it is, it's top of the mark, if your nose goes, he's going to be way up there. Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit of an outlier because he's a nose guard, but he also rushes on third down at the three technique spots. So, you know, I think he's just, he's so dominant when he's properly or in ways that he has been dominant, that, you know, it's worth every penny and controlling the middle of, you know, an offensive line stops to run, it generates pressure to allow edge rushers and people to get after the quarterback in the pass. It's a really good building block for a defense and you already have Joe and T and, oh my God, why am I blanking? Jesus Christ, Brown, Chase Brown, are you frozen? No, I'm trying to see where you're going with this. Well, they already have all that on offense. So obviously they come with this piece, not Chase. Jamar Chase. God damn it. Jesus, Brown is the safety for the Eagles. I was waiting for you to kind of help me, but you just let me flounder there. I was, I promised as well. I was like, hmm, who's he talking about? There it is. All right. So they already have T Higgins. They already have Jamar Chase. They already have Joe Burrow. They have a lot of offensive firepower. They know that they want to win now. They go on and get extra Lawrence. Hopefully, adds a lot to it. Defense. It has really been a weakness there. And Cincinnati. Look forward to seeing what that looks like this season. Oh, yeah. Trap. Who the chief's taking? I don't know. But you're lying. You know exactly who you're taking. They always tell the players, they tell me everything. No, I think, I'm just hoping for a guy that loves ball, man. You know, I think one of the things that you just want to have when you get back into the building after a season like last year, man, you just want guys that love what they're fucking doing. And I think it's, it's, it's one of the things that I look for in these young guys when they come in is this how infectious is your energy. I need that out of these young guys, man, and sometimes, you know, it's, it takes a little bit for a guy to like get comfortable in his shoes and to really like show his personality, but Coach Reed says it best, man, we want you to show that personality, want you to be yourself and bring the energy to the, to the building to the everyday grind that we can just go and unleash out on on Sundays. And I think, you know, that's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to in seeing who we're going to go and draft this year is, you know, how much energy and how much fun they're bringing to the, to the squad. If you're conducting a top 30 visit, what is your number one question to see if a guy's got it? It's your knowledge of the game. I don't know. There's one question. There's no, there's no one question. I'm going to, I'm going to ask you questions about, you know, a lot of things in terms of your knowledge for the game, how you acquire that knowledge, what's that process look like? You know, I think, I think a lot of these young guys, at least what I, what I've seen in college football from the time that I've been there to, to now is just that leap into the league. You just don't know that you don't know enough about football. And so the guys that, the guys that have a good understanding of, of what the other side of the ball is doing, has a good understanding of how to have success multiple ways through the offense that's in place. I just think it's, it's, you get a head start on that and, you know, I want the guys that are ready to play. Especially if you got two first round picks. I want the guys that are ready to play right fucking now, you know This is my thing when that like top 30 visits like I feel like a lot of the responses are so like pre-planed by guys It's hard to know When a guy is like being himself when he's trying to do it an agent tells him like I just I don't put too much stock and asking questions there if you want to like put guys to do tests on the board There's certain positions obviously like going back Center we're like it's good to get a gauge of like what the football IQ is Put question or give them like verbiage the first day then when you get with them the following morning You re-asked verbiage to see how well they retain information. I've heard questions like I know it One of the questions I used to ask a lot was like are you a dog or a cat person in some coaches felt like Dog people were more like team centric whereas cat people were more like Isolated as individuals. I think I know today I think a lot of it is so nonsense What was the craziest top 30 visit you went through I only did two I only so I did three I take it back. I did a Kansas City Chiefs one. I did one with the St. Louis Rams Who coach Magnolo was the head coach of at the time sat down with him in the office and then I did a late visit with the Eagles And that's when I first met Howard mudden using Chung the system online coach And I felt like of all the visits the Eagles visit felt like it went The best I felt like the whole process the chiefs were the most interested So I thought there was a chance I'll go to Kansas City But for some reason leaving that Building leaving Nova care it felt like Howard mudd me. I got to talk to Andy like it felt like the whole visit went really well And it felt like there was a lot of interest there too so I don't remember like any crazy things what about you? What's the craziest question you got? They put me in I was coming out in 13 Mike Shanahan was still a head coach in the national football league Yeah, he was a head coach at Washington and that was the legendary Like LeFleur obviously Kyle Shanahan McVeigh Sean McVeigh. Yep. That's where it all originated. Yep. Well really originated in Denver with Mike and Gary Kubiak But yeah, yeah, you already know that was so I didn't even know at that time meeting all those guys in that building Was going to turn out to be what it is today the craziest thing ever happened I wasn't even in a room with a football coach They sent me to like a shrink and I started doing these little table games like yeah like problem solving like games Like I was like a toddler almost and it was like how do you put all the rings on to this? You know Hole without you know, I mean it's like little games like that And they would time it and they would ask you questions afterwards And it's just like problem solving games and you get that the shrink in front of you Look like they were just like jotting down like numbers and like scores and all this shit I'm just sitting. I'm like what the fuck does this have to do with football at all? And I kind of love it then I guess This was really kind of one of the things that Shanahan does. Yeah, I was gonna say yeah This is one of the things that Shanahan does that that kind of gives him an understanding of how well you could problem So and how well and process and how quickly you can do it and how quickly you can figure something out on your own without being told what the Point of the game is and I think that was like kind of like A fascinating kind of like shock of like is this why Mike Shanahan so good He's just getting all these guys Good at these like jigsaw It's a pretty dang good system as well Yeah, I guess it was like one of his ways of like getting a guy in the building and His problem solving skills. I do like that and one so Even at the combine there's two different tests. I don't know if you remember I still to this day want to know how like my score What they didn't tell me on the puzzle. Yeah, they didn't tell me oh no that one They didn't tell me how like good my scores were compared to all the other guys that they brought in I wanted to know so bad how good I did on that fucking Like part of we gotta get Kyle Shanahan we gotta get Kyle Shanahan in here find out what your score was There's documented somewhere wrong coach. Yeah, that or Mike definitely they don't they don't erase They don't erase any of that stuff. It's got it. Um at the combine they would give you two tests They would give you the wonderlicks test, which is what everybody knows is like the predominant like level of like measuring like intelligence or Yeah, but the other one that thought was far more applicable to football intelligence The great fucking job of the fucking wonderlick didn't you? I was always bad at wonderlicks and SATs. I wasn't bad. I was always average at them Because I'm a slow reader. I don't read quickly and I just takes I don't any time tests I just don't finish the test like the wonderlick I only finished like 26 questions and it's like 50 questions long So there's no way I'm gonna have a good score but The I felt like the puzzle test at the combine is More applicable for football it was like a book and you would have to like List what shape was next and like each time the puzzle would get harder to test. Yeah Had it's really a pattern test. I don't puzzle's wrong. That's why I didn't do good on the wonderlick Um, but it's stuff like that stuff like these little games I do think is better at generically gazing like how well somebody Recognizes patterns spatial awareness like An intelligence that's more applicable for the game of football rather than you know how well you can Enter a full-on sentence in a wonderlick test like I just don't think that that Really tells much about I've seen guys do great on tests like that and I've great at SAT scores And they have no idea to tell off a nickel-splitting so I don't know like It just doesn't just doesn't do that much for me You know what I mean? It just like doesn't do Not really that into it. I did think at one point we had like a pickle ball court in our uh In our weight room We had like a little outline and guys could play like in the offseason Of course, and I used to tell them like dude whenever you do the top 30 guy in here Just bring him down here. Let's play some pickleball. And I'll tell you if he's like worth the shit Because you can tell just by stupid games and make sure you're honest Nick Sirion he said the same thing with like uh, I do agree. It doesn't He said the same thing about basketball right Well, he said the same thing about rock people says which I think is even more like not true But like I do think if somebody's not competitive and they don't care That's a red flag to me because like it doesn't matter what game you're putting in front of me For the most part I'm gonna try and figure out how to win Shadow boxing. I just don't like to want to play it It doesn't interest me to play the game But if I was doing it, I would be trying to do it. I wouldn't be half-assing it like if I'm playing pickleball And somebody comes on to play pickleball and they're like just like clearly uncoordinated or like not giving A decent amount of effort. I'm like, yeah, fuck this dude. You don't want this guy. He's gonna you gonna quit quickly If that's your job interview to be in the fucking scouting or scouting for the fit for the Eagles man A learned. I don't think it's a four-year assessment. I don't need to watch any film here Just bring him on the back. Of course the film the film matters more I'm just talking about getting engaged for their overall competitiveness and desire to win But I would say this and the reason I got this theory was all the guys that I played in pickleball in the offseason That just we're not fun to play pickleball against because they sucked with effort also coincidentally were sucked as football players A correlation there. I'll take your word for it. Well the Eagles are Well, hold on speaking of yeah, so but you just mentioned something like obviously the tape is the most important thing When you're watching tape, what are you looking for? First of you have to be a competitor You got it you'd have to show your love for the game your competitiveness how much How much you want to compete on every single play that's that's one of the one of the things I think needs to be like higher than A lot of the other attributes is like does your love for the game show on the field How much do you how much do you have that desire to play this game? Is it and does it translate through the building does it does it does is it infectious to the guys around you? Um, and things like that and then on top of that it's defensive understanding and you can tell by how guys Depending on what route they have how they stem how they attack players how they attack leverage If it's man-a-man coverage. I want to see how how much of an artist are you are you creating A route within the concept and I'm not saying doing your own fucking thing like no all I'm saying is that you know if it's a slam I'm not just running three steps forward and hitting a 45 degree angle. I know the basic concepts of the slam How do I take it to another level even if it's zone or if it's match zone or something like that you got a Of player often inside like what does that angle look like coming inside and my is my angle at a At a certain degree to where I can get to the ball faster than that defender can You know what I mean like the angles and how guys are coming out some guys just have a natural feel for that and I think yes All that you could definitely see on film for sure. I'm glad you're bringing up all of that. I think all that's really Intriguing and interesting especially with the draft coming up To be a lot of new guys realizing the dreams of playing in the NFL for the first time Getting into these OTAs and camps and then training camp coming up in a few months Um, and I used to get asked a lot by like young guys like hey, what's what's advice like what what should I do What do I need to do and training camp to make the team things like that? How about dude you need to stand out These coaches are looking at guys every single day right they're watching tape and do you want to be a guy that they're just watching is like okay Right guard did his job right tackle did his job you want to be a guy with like who is this guy? Where are you separating yourself whether it's in the you can separate yourself in the meeting room by being Very cerebral attentive asking questions and being very involved in the discussion, right? That's one way to do it. The one way that is guaranteed to separate it, if you play harder than everybody else. And I know that's like a, it's a moniker. If you watch my college film, that's what got me the recognition. That's what got me to stand up. If you finish to the echo of the whistle, if you go, if you're the last one to stop every play, every single scout, every single coach, everybody looking at the tape is going to be like, who the fuck is that guy, right? So I, let's say, I don't know what you're going to say. Yes, there's going to be limitations that everybody had. You're not going to be, maybe you're not the best passbucker, maybe you're not the best runbucker. The one thing you have control over is your effort, right? Come into camp in shape and finish. That's what I'm saying. The first thing I want to see is how much do you love this fucking game? How much do you want, how much do you, how much do you want to compete on every fucking play? And don't get me wrong. There have been, you know, times in my career where I had to evaluate myself and be like, am I showing this? That play was fucking unacceptable. That play is embarrassing. You know what I mean? And it's moments like that where you're just like, I got to get my shit fucking going. And they're times where I've seen that on the biggest stages. And I've been fucking embarrassed. We were playing, I forget what game, what year it was, but it was like a play. I think Carson was recorded back in the entire offensive while I was standing. And I just remember like, what fuck am I doing? Like, why am I just standing? Is it because I'm tired? Is it because I thought the ball was gone? I have no fucking clue. All I know is that that's not acceptable, right? So what do you do after practice? You go and run a couple of times, like you almost like punish yourself or if you are out of shape, you get yourself in shape. Those are the only options. And then after every single drill, after a game like that where I felt like, Hey, I need to get better effort. I would go in and run five to 10 yards after each thing. And it'd be annoying. And it'd be stupid sometimes. And I'm more tired and practiced than anybody else, but I'm going to, yeah, 100%. I'm going to train myself and condition myself that this is the standard. This is how you react. Anyways, back to these young guys, you are marketing yourself each in every play you are on the field to the coaches, to the scouts. And what Travis is saying is exactly right. Your competitiveness and how hard you go is going to be one of the things that is apps every coach is going to love is feigning for their feet. They're drooling to find a guy like that. Yeah. Now you got to be able to be good enough too. That's not alone, but you want to make the team. That's a damn good start. And that's something you control. All that shit is infectious. When you get guys flying around on defense and everybody's at the fucking ball and everybody's fucking getting excited for the guys that's making the fucking big hit, you watch Seattle's defense last year. Those guys fucking loved each other. Those guys, every single fucking tackle was a fucking celebration. They were making some fucking big hits and making some big tackles and rally into the fucking football. But the 49ers have done it in years past when our defense is at the top. I see it. It's infectious. And I see that on the defensive side of the ball. I'm fucking excited as a player that's on that team. I'm going to fucking match that energy on the offensive side when I get it first down, where I get a big catch. Having great players, obviously matters. But I do think that like half of being good on defense is just playing relentless energy and rallying to the ball, right? And coaches preach it. But dude, if you guys are truly doing that, it is so hard to execute offensively. Now, you got bad players, you got bad players, but that's that's a big component of it. And that's one common thing that all great defenses do have. Yeah. The one thing I always tell guys is, oh, understand the other side of the ball. Just as as good as you understand your side of the ball. Like if I'm playing like the one of I think one of the coolest things that that you specifically, you know, kind of taught me without even telling me, was you knew the defense because you played linebacker in that system. When you when at Cincinnati, when you move from linebacker to the center, you understood gap aside that you understood how how safety rotation happens. How like if there's a rotation over here, something has to, you know, happened on the back side for everybody to be balanced and for a defense to be sound. And it's like when you understand what the other side of the ball is doing to the point where you could literally point out what guys are doing before the snap. It makes you play at a four if you're a four five guy, it makes you play at a four three. It makes it if you're a four seven guy, it makes you play at a four five. You're going to mean because you're more alert and more precise with your movement and there's no wasted time. And it's like and it's like when you find guys that it's working faster up here, you know what I mean? And whether they're a four three guy or a four five guy or four seven guy like I was like what when when you find guys that are making it happen faster here, the timing of the offense, the the ability to be there before the ball on defense, the natural instincts that you have and your training instincts, you're training your mind to fucking think fast, you're training your mind and not only just go but not even think just go but that's the thing and you're reacting and in practice and in and film study, you're creating these instincts to be able to when you recognize something you're immediately doing something to react to that to benefit you. That's one of the biggest things for me when I'm watching film and seeing what guys are doing or really evaluating myself is like how am I how am I using the ability to understand things at a high level to play faster, especially at, you know, you're getting later in your career and the body just doesn't move like I used to. Dude, I wish I knew what I knew late in my career when I was early, you know what I mean? What's crazy about offensive line, I got better as I got older and more on athletic, which is crazy. It's not the way it's supposed to work. I didn't make all pro until I was 28 or 29 or whatever it was, right? Like I made it all after my prime, but that brings back a memory to me. Kobe Bryant came and talked to our team in 2017, the year before that we went to the show bowl that year. Set of flex, set of flex. Okay. And normally I'm not a huge fan like basketball, relations to football. Like I think it's a different sport and anyways, Doug had Kobe come in to talk to the team and he said a couple things that he said one thing that resonated with most people. And they said, you know, what's your mindset in the game? Somebody asked him. There's something along that line. He said, I wanted to make the guy across from me quit. I wanted to make the guy across from me not want to play basketball. And I remember everybody being amazed at that statement. And the guy said, how did you get, what would you, what advice would you give to any young player? And Kobe said to him, be curious. Try and learn as much as you can. Yeah. And all of these fucking idiots. We're talking about how cool it was that he wanted to make the other guy quit. And I'm like, what do you, what do I do with that? There's nothing I gain from having that piece of information. How about be curious is such a fucking awesome way to say, knowledge is power, man. Learn as much as you can on how you're supposed to operate on what the guys around you are operating on and what the deep is like, having all of that knowledge, going to help you be such a better player. High level executives are like, oh, man, he wants to make the guy across from quit. Cool. What the fuck do I do at that? How did he get to be such a good fucking? How did he make him quit? Yeah. I mean, oh, he made him quit because he was so fucking good in a step ahead of his guy that it felt like there was nothing the guy in front of him could do to fucking stop him. It was such a profound disconnect with like, how did you guys hear those two statements? And that was the one that you're like, that's going to really change my game. But the curious part is like, it's not just like hearing your game plan. It's not just understanding the defenses like scheme. It's like, you're being curious on like, oh, well, if they do have the one coverage that might stop this play, how would I still beat it? How can I manipulate them to open up a window or how can I beat this defender up to get myself open in time with the quarterback? And it's just like being curious, isn't just doing the job. It's finding what those exactly is problem solving with problems that don't seem like they can be solved at this time. But it's having the creativity and the curiosity to go out there and try it at least to get it done. There's a guy I'm going to give some love. He was a later on pick Brandon knows him because he's a fucking UT guy and he loves everybody from fucking Texas. Moro Jomo used to drive the offense aligned crazy on scout team. He would ask questions constantly like, hey, man, what do you think about this? What if I did that? Why do you do this on this play? Why do you do that? That guy is developed so much as a player because he's built up such a knowledge early in his career. He had a great year last year. I would anticipate him continuing to play well. And he is maximizing what he has. And Stout used to say it all time, knowledge is power. And just like you're saying, we're not just running routes on a paper. We're trying to know why are we running this route? Why does the quarterback want us there? Why is why am I going there? All of these things you're trying to have answers to and trying to like become the bet. Allow that information to take your game to another level. So yeah, be curious and play harder than everybody else. That's the note to all the draft picks that are going into camp. Those two things dominate those two. Well, I guess if you all do it, somebody's going to get cut. But either way, that's how I'd approach you. Find a way out of another team. It'll show it'll show on film coach Mo. My guy dude, that guy would ask so many questions and so many guys make to fucking Moro just shut the fuck up. If you're actually like using the information, if you just got a dumbass that when you tell him something, he's like, yeah, like, we don't we don't make those kind of players at the University of Texas. So don't Let's not start that. - It's just be fair. Jamal Charles didn't ask questions. - He didn't fucking have to. Jamal didn't have to ask questions. - Give Jamal to Paul. - Am I getting the ball? Question answered. Thank you. - It's very rare for running back to be a question asked. (laughing) - Jamal and I were at school at the same time and he was generally one of the nicest people. That's my only story of him. I met him a couple of times, generally nicest dude. He was very much mobbed by students, but was always very kind about it and very nice to all of us. So thank you. - He's the greatest man. - Unlike Kevin Durant, who wouldn't even high five me one time. You mother fucker. - Don't shy a la buff this. - I don't want to hear this. (laughing) - Kevin Durant was fucking so nice. - Kevin Durant was fine. - I fucks with Katie. - No, he's cool. I went for the high five and he looked at me and was like, - By the way. - Fair. - So obviously watching Katie are like, entire growing up and everything. - Where we going with this? - Yeah. Watching him at UT was fucking unbelievable, right? - It was electric, dude. - It was electric. - There was nobody in college that looked like that, could play like that, could compete like that. Goes to the league, Thunder Katie, or at Seattle Katie to Thunder Katie. I'm like, man, this guy is just whiteness shit up. And I had given him the respect of my mind like this dude is like one of the best players in the bucket league, but it was always like on ESPN, it was always LeBron, it was always Kobe, it was always Steph. Bro, he went to Golden State and I saw that man live in action. Bro, he is top five where the best players ever to play in the fucking NBA. Seeing a seven footer run around, crossing everybody up like that. Fucking chucking threes, fucking ducking on anybody. From past seeing the floor like that, I'm like, bro, I thought LeBron was like the only one. Like KD, there's one, bro. No, this dude was out here just fucking owning every aspect of the fucking floor. And I was just like holy shit. Have you watched, I know we're rambling here, but have you watched Wimbee at all this year? It's not as impressive because KD, KD was so quick. I agree, it wasn't to be that fucking tall. It's a little eight hitting fade away threes. Yeah. And that's impressive. Don't be wrong, but that's you don't. Y'all mean it's like it's like a modern day Korean with the hook shot. It's there's just nothing you can fucking do. Wimbee's got to get some shoes that don't fucking collapse on his ankles. I mean, what are we doing here? I don't know. Every time I watch that guy run and cut, like his shoe looks like it's about to explode. I'm like, dude, we got to get this guy some better shit footwear. It's not working out. Get on it. Do you not notice this with Wimbee? I mean, it's every NBA player. If you take a screenshot of when they're like fucking crossing over or something, it's like their fucking ankle is on the ground, dude. It's insane. I feel like it stands out, especially with that dude. That's all this new light material. Never saw Jordan's ankle on the floor. Who is the most dominant college player? The most dominant college player. Fuck, man. I mean, I'm a high flying action kind of guy. So I like the dudes that are just fucking dunkin' on everybody like a Blake Griffin. Me and I dude in fucking college. Oh my god. It's a beast. I saw him play too. Yeah. That was insane. Dude. He was so large and he jumped so fucking high. He looked like rubber dammit. I'm feeling Jersey just fucking NBA hang time jamming on everybody, dude. I don't know why and maybe tell me how off I am, because I'm not like the most college basketball knowledgeable human being, but they and maybe it's just because they timed up right in my like heart of like sports fandom, basically. But I feel like Carmelo Anthony when he was a Syracuse was insane. Melo was another one, dude. He kind of had that like, bro, he's like six, nine in person. Like what are you like? I'm like fucking looking up at me like this. Or it's him like, you were moving on the basketball court like that. What the fuck? I still remember that year at Syracuse. This was just like insane. That was beautiful. A bunch of college basketball truthers will probably shit all over. You can't shit on those, but both of those guys won championships. Yeah. There's going to be somebody we're forgetting that they're going to shit on us for it. And I'm fine with that. A guy that was electric when we were in college, Travis, and one of me, my bracket competition was Kenba Walker. You got Kenba shout out to Kenba and Yukon crossover at the Big E's tournament. Buzz a beta. Holy shit. Was it? I think it was Big E's tournament. It might have been Mars Madness. They might have solved his market. Mars Madness. I think Kenba was the step ahead of Mars Madness. It was the Big E's tournament. Thank you, Jake. I knew I knew. I knew I knew. And it wasn't even the championship of the Big E's tournament. Well, that's why Jake knows. Is that the fucking garden? That's why he knows. That's why I knew too. I fucking always wanted to play in the garden. Still time. You're right. I still, I could still manipulate my way in there. What position would I play? What? What was it? Six, five, two, fifty, five. I mean, dude, you got to just be, you got to be, you got to be. You got to, you got to, you got to just be energy off the bench. At this point. All hard. That guy. I've been on the floor. You got to be the guy standing out at the end of the tape session. You got to be that guy. Got to stand out. Got to stand out. I'm fucking diving at every Wednesday. All right, elbows up on the rebound. That's right. It's kind of guy. Get in there. You got to do all the old man tricks. I think I'm going for the fucking joy. Wow. Pull the shorts down. You have a guy on what will you as the shots going up just so I can get good box out? Just like making the star player. Just annoyed the entire time. Just like fucking with his equipment. Stepping on his back of his shoes so his, but the heel comes out like doing all the little shit. Lance Stevens. That's what it is. You got a crazy crossover mid-range though. Yeah. Other than that, you basically are. I've always thought of you as Lance Stevens and Tyson. Fuck out of here. All right. Well, for the last bit of NFL news going into the draft, the Eagles still might be trading AJ Brown to the Patriots. So yeah, I mean, listen, not that surprising, right? I think this has been something that has been rumored all off season. I think a lot of times too you can tell, by the way, teams answer questions like generally when teams shut down trade talk right away, that's a guy that they're trying to keep. In general, they're always listening to offers, like as a team, you kind of have to be willing to do that. Any good GM isn't just going to fucking shoot it down. They're going to hear what the fucking offer is. But at the same time, teams that aren't interested in moving players, they don't say that to the public. Like, yeah, no, we're sticking behind our guy. Like, we're not doing that. It's been pretty apparent. Anyway, that's been following this side. Both sides want to move on. Well, I think that there's, I think that there is a speculated allegedly both sides. I think that there's a willingness to move on for the right price from the Eagles. If teams are willing to match what would be a fair asking price for the level of talent that AJ Brown is, that's just kind of the way that all the news has been coming out about this. And June 1st happens to be the day where there's a different, like, cap hit to the Eagles. If they do move on from AJ, I want to say this. I think that AJ Brown was not the issue with the offense of the Philadelphia Eagles. And he's a major piece that is a very good player. So the end of the day, I think it's a net loss losing AJ Brown. I think it'll be apparent wherever he ends up. He's a great player. He was a disgruntled player with the way he was used and some of these other things. And I get that frustration. And I think his teammates get a lot of the frustration as well, because you still have not seen a lot of negative comments or any negative comments come out for his teammates in the way AJ Brown handled last season. Was it frustrating for fans to watch at times? Yes. Obviously they voiced that. At the end of the day, AJ Brown is a good teammate, a great player and a guy that adds to an offense in a legitimate way. So if it does get to this, it's not, it sucks, right? But it has been something that has been rumored. I think we'll get some answers to with how the Eagles handled the draft this week, right? If they draft a receiver early, that kind of tells you they plan on doing something. You know, they go out and sign Hollywood Brown, they have Devonte Smith. They have AJ Brown, you're probably not drafting a receiver that high with all three of those guys in the receiver. I'm pretty set. So you draft somebody pretty high. You're probably thinking something's happened in June 1st. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go in general. Obviously, offensive line is a position that they've speculated on. Lane Johnson's getting older. I happen to think Lane has a lot of football left. If he wants to play, I think, you know, defensive end, headdressure, obviously we just talked about receiver. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go, especially early in the draft. Who's available and what they value most in kind of upgrading at? Nice. Oh, it's the draft, baby. I'm fucking pumped for it. I know the entire world is pumped for it. I can't wait to see what Brett Veech does and I know the Eagles are internet to get Thursday so they can see you. They're picking in that first round, man. No thing. Is there anything else we wanted to touch on in the draft? Got Fernando Mendoza looking like he's going to be one overall, maybe? I don't know. Has that already been announced? I don't follow this. As a rule, I get more interested after everybody's been picked. I'm excited. I've watched the draft, but I really don't put in a lot of effort until like, hey, now who's on the team and like, who are we dealing with? I think it'd be cool to do some tape breakdowns of some of these guys. up and where they could be used. We have been doing more tape breakdown. Maybe we do some off into line. - I'm game. - Guys, we're excited about maybe some tight ends of receivers. You game for that trip? - I'm always game. We do a little tight end receiver breakdown. - Can you? - Do you think you break down quarterbacks? - Yes, 1,000%. - What's your number one thing you're looking for in a quarterback? - Hackeracy? - Does he drink beers? - Dude, I will say this. So, seriously, I know you're joking around a little bit. - I'm a little bit. Just a little bit. - Here's the thing. So, Marcus Spears, my good friend with ESPN, Swagu said, to be like a great quarterback, you gotta be the guy. - And he said it very apparent at one point and he definitely needs to be able to throw the ball well as well. What do you think it is about quarterbacks in particular? Like why that means more at it. - I think it's not necessarily interesting. - And we're saying, we're saying having beers. We're joking about having beers. Although it is kind of true. - It's more about the camaraderie that happens. - The camaraderie effort to be hanging outside of the creation of the facility. - Exactly. - Why is that so much more important at that position? Is it because you're in charge of communicating with all these pieces and like choreographing it all together? Like why is it a quarterback that it seems like it's more important than others? - I don't know. I think, and this is where it's not always about the beers. It's about just being a guy that wants to be around. Your teammates wants to be around the people in the building outside of the building. And I think getting that chemistry, understanding who the people are, that becomes like one of like the, I don't want to put this. I guess I've never even thought of it in a way like this. - When you spend that time and you make that effort to know somebody that much more, you play a little harder for the guy. You listen to a little bit more of what he's saying. You understand a little bit more of what he's saying to another degree. And I think that's just the camaraderie that comes with sports. When a team's at the end of the season is hosting the Lombardi, that team feels like one. Everybody on that fucking podium, holding that fucking Lombardi up, feels like they're passing it to a brother. Feels like they're passing it to an extended relative. And I think those teams, Seattle Seahawks, you could tell how they played the fucking game and all those guys loved each other. And the teams that I've been on that have been the best, maybe not have had the most talented position on the field at every single position, but we fucking loved each other. We knew how to play together and we fed off of each other in that regard. And it's those, and we say beers, I'm gonna keep saying beers. It doesn't necessarily mean beers, but it's those fucking beers you have, outside of the facility that brings everybody a little bit closer. You need to have as a team an opportunity to create those moments. - Like I've gone on teams two, we're like, oh, we're gonna go to like an escape room and don't get wrong, I love the escape rooms. I don't feel like I'm like getting anywhere near the bond of going to an escape room. - I wanna kill myself, if you ever fucking put me in an escape room. I'm probably not even gonna jump. I'm like, all right, I'll see you guys in the office next week. - This is why San Francisco didn't trap you because you don't like escape rooms, Travis. - Yeah, that was Washington, but yes, yeah. - Sorry, sorry, sorry, this was the one that was stored read instead. - Now they just said 30, top 30 got to escape room. (laughing) - Life or death, salvation. - Oh, he's over at the piano, what a fucking beat. - Last thing before we get to our guests, we've got a very special edition of No Dumb Questions that we've been waiting to show you. This edition of No Dumb Questions is brought to you by All State. - Hi Jason and Travis, I need some advice. My husband is a lifelong jet fan, and I need advice because I just found out I'm pregnant, and I don't know how to prepare my kid for a lifetime of disappointment. - Love you. - Oh, good boy, I'm so sorry. (laughing) - Jake, catch up. (laughing) - That is awesome. - Yeah man, so any advice on preparing a kid for a lifetime of jet fan? - My advice that I give everybody, is don't listen to anybody that wants to give you advice. - Yeah, no, every kid's different, you'll figure it out, you're a smart guy. - I hope so. - What, do you know, sex yet? - Find out in a week. - We have to hold this, we can't like tell people, but I want to tell you guys in person. - That's awesome, dude, are you kidding me? I'm always like three days late on figuring out what the fuck just happened. (laughing) - My brother, when he told me about his first born. - The moment it said, my husband is a jet fan, I knew it was. (laughing) - That's hilarious. - I'm over here opening a humidor, and there's like two boots, and I'm like, why the fuck are there, there's like baby socks? (laughing) And then I look up at Kylie, I'm like, thanks for the humidor, but what the fuck are these? - Congrats, dude. - Thank you. - You ready to know, that's awesome. - Yeah, so you find out in a week. - Find out in a week what we're having. - That's awesome. - Yes, I'm very excited. - Very cool. - Thank you. - Very cool. - Make sure you eat during, we've already shared. - Yes, yes, and bring a fan, yes. - Well, I mean, if you like fans, yes. I don't know what you kind of sleep in, you are, but yes. - Yes. - I run hot. - There you go, then bring the fan. - And we're good. - All right, thanks guys. (clapping) - Awesome. (clapping) - Let's go! (cheering) - Let's go. (laughing) - Congrats, Jake, congrats, Em. - That's right, congrats, and so what should Emily do? Should the baby be allowed to pick their own team, or are they a Jets fan? That's the question we want answered. - Stay strong, Jake. (humming) - Stay strong, Jake. (humming) - I mean, listen, the baby's always, the kids always gonna pick, but as a dad, you can influence that kind of fandom for sure. You just buy him some Jets things, right? - Show him. - You just put fun in your own name and look like back in the days. - Put some exciting Jets games on from, like, 40 years ago. (laughing) - Get some John Cleco tape out. - This is a joke. - What is that? (laughing) - We went to the playoffs in my lifetime. I will be showing our daughter those tapes, and she's going to pretend like, hopefully by the time she's interested in football, the Jets are good. That's what I'm hoping for. - What's the teacher's name again? - I'm gonna introduce you to Jets' epi. - Yes. - Get teacher epi down there. - Yes. - She will help out. - Make it full circle. - Yes. - Teach another Chatsky generation the Jets way. - Yes, we will be sworn into misery for the rest of our, our, our, (laughing) - Oh, I guess they posit. - Yes, they posit, yes, they posit. - Next year, next year's the year. It's always the year. I'm gonna raise a young optimist. I can't wait. - Out of perfect. Perfect. That's all you can ask for. Good luck to your Jets on a draft day. - That was, whoa, that was so bring, bring Jets back in here. So that was a while ago. How is, how is Emily doing? - She's doing well. We're about halfway through. We had the anatomy scan earlier this week, which was crazy. But everything here, she's a rock star. I'd bring her in, but she's like actively working still and doing her rock, much more serious than mine. But she's doing great. I'm doing whatever I can and she's doing a lot more. So I can't, I can't say that I'm like a rock star, but she absolutely is. - Now, I give yourself some credit, but. - Yeah. You're our rock star, all right. - Appreciate it, appreciate you, dude. Wishing you the best and the healthy, healthy next couple of months, man. - Thank you guys, can't wait. I'll keep you posted. - All right, once again, this edition of No Dumb Question and Jake's first-born child, I brought to you by Allstate. Allstate, I think. (laughing) Throw some free insurance there. That baby girl's gonna be in good hands with Allstate. You can't do an ad read with somebody's child. - I just did. - We just did. I did, I sold, I cut a deal on the side, guys. (laughing) Done. If our other ad partners are listening, there might be other kids around. We don't know. 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This combo was brought to you by Reese's Hark guest today is an actress producer from South Africa. She's got a Golden Globe Two Critics Choice Awards and an Academy Award. She was named one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People. You know her from her roles in the Italian job, Monson, Mad Max Fury Road, Atomic Blonde, The Old Guard, and Fast and Furious as well as her new film coming out to Netflix, April 24th, Apex, 92%ers. Please give a warm welcome to Charlize Theron. That's the flex. That's the flex. Oh, that's good. I was hoping you would give me a big one like that. I hear you get half the desk big ones. I was like, I better get a really big fucking one. We're listening to them all. Never hold back. We're not. You were showing off those muscles. This movie is unbelievable. It's such a flex in itself. You were doing a lot of the stunts. I heard. I do a lot of the action. Yeah. I do all of the climbing in it is me. Some of the kayaking is not me. I was not a great man. They shot with these two Olympic gold medalists in New Zealand and did all the, which the kayak stuff is great though, right? I've never seen people do stuff like that with a kayak. These two women were just unbelievable. But yeah, I do everything else. I do. Everything else. It's in the movie. I do. That's so impressive. That's awesome. A lot of times those go hand in hand. He's going to say, you need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness. There you go. You got a little crazy out here. Do you do it for the thrill or do you do it for the shot or do you like what's the madness behind wanting to do all the action stuff? Because I think good action movies work when you're telling the story through the action. It's not like the movie stops and you have an action scene and then the movie picks up again. I like action movies where the action is part of the story. You don't understand the story unless you actually see the action and that kind of physical storytelling. I really love. I was a dancer for the first part of my life. I was a storyteller that way. When I started making movies, it was all very verbal and great. But then I really got a chance to do a big movie called Mad Max Ferry Road. And I -- You're familiar? Yeah. I fell in love with like using my body again. And so it kind of like made a real effort to develop a couple of projects for myself to do that. So that's how we think of it. I think of it as, well, this part of the story, we have to now tell and it's physical. Like, how the fuck am I going to get up this hill without him shooting at me and hitting me? Like, how am I going to do that? So fucking cool. And it's physical and it is badass. These are badass female roles in like the fullest extent and this one in particular telling the story through the action. You feel like what the character is going through. It's pretty remarkable. My heart's racing with you. The last scene, I have like a natural fear of like heights. Sometimes I get that. Yes, especially on the side of like cliffs for sure. Like even just a camera looking out. I'm in my couch. I know that I shouldn't be sweating, but I just start sweating. It's a visceral movie. That last climb, the final like climb up when I get on the top and I'm exhausted and everything, that climb, that end, that last bit coming over, we shot that on an actual like a real face. And it was I think more than 60 feet down and there was no, you couldn't put mats or anything down. It was a real hang. So they had to drop me on a very, very thick, secure, safety rope. But that's all they could put me on. They couldn't put me on wires or anything like that because we were just in the bush. And so I had to say this was by far the scariest thing that I did. And everybody thinks it's the cliff shot dive, but I'm like, no, that was fun, even though it was only six feet of water. Every time I drive, I was like, I'm getting more sand and sand into my wet suit. I'm getting closer, closer to that bottom. But that last climb, I had to basically get myself down. So you see this drop. And I don't have like a great fear of heights, but I'm also not like incredibly brave, you know? I'm like, this is probably not very far. You have an appropriate fear when you're at 60 feet over a cliff. But you're just a little, you're crazy enough to do it. That's it. We come this far. I have to finish this now. So I'm dropping myself. I'm trying not to look down. I'm like climbing and kind of scraping my body down just far enough. So I'm out of the shot of the camera. And then I have to on action climb that last bit up, which is pretty steep. And it's overhang. And that was one of the physically the heart. And I was towards the end of the movie I was so tired. And I just remember pulling myself up there the third time. And I just went, this is fucking insane. Like this is in the movie. I kind of have a bit of a giggle. And that he kept it in. But that was literally me on the third take on like, what the fuck is this? It fit very well. Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of this action in like that kind of the fearlessness that you have to find in yourself. Was that a part of like wanting to be a part of this role or? Yeah. I mean, I like, I like this movie a lot because I thought that it wasn't contrived at all. It was very straightforward. You know, you have a girl. She goes into the wild. She meets a guy. He ends up being a serial killer and the chase is on. And I like something about when I read the script, I love the simplicity of that engine that drove it. And then I liked the idea of within that, that it could be a two-hander, where you can get into more of the psychological warfare or the psychological action. Like I love movies like Die Heart, where it's simple. Like you get it. It's like, there's a Christmas party and shit goes wrong, you know? Yeah, yeah. I love this. And I like, I love those movies. And I felt the same about this. I was like, wow, I just love that you know, you got to stay alive. You're going to try and get out of this. And hopefully you do. Good luck. Go. It is a male bider every step of the way. Always on the edge of your seat. It combines like so many movies in my head, like of great parts of them. Like cliffhanger or like free solo deliverance. Like I, there's like, who isn't terrified of being in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people playing like banjos and whatnot. But yeah, banjos in this one. No, nobody in this one. But yeah, I think how beautiful places can become this most scary places, right? People, places where people don't hike and they have these beautiful like Sunday mornings can end up, you know, being where somebody dies. Terrifying. Yes. I will say this though, uh, Taryn Edgerton absolutely rocks it with you. He's awesome as well. The first time he did his animal noise. Did that fuck you up? Did it like catch you off guard off guard? It caught me off guard every single time he did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was truly frightening. And he came up with that kind of like, I think a week before we started shooting because he had this, he's he kept saying things like I think of him as someone that has like Peter Pan syndrome. And it was such a great way to get the character. You know, this little boy who's like trying to like be a man in nature, but he's just fucking sick. You're doing it. You're doing it. You're doing it. Yeah, you're doing it. Like look at me. I can get water out of a tree. Like, okay, whatever. But I remember we did the first chase and he was, he did one of those bird sounds and it scared them. Yeah. It's something really out here chasing me. What the fuck is that? There's a reaction shot actually went the first time he does it when he starts the song and he says, you, you have this song to get away from me. And then he does the, the birds out. And that is my reaction is I was like, fuck me. Like, I gotta get the fuck out. Why are you that good at this? He's so amazing in the movie. I think he brings like a whole new twist to this. You know, I think serial killer movies are, I love them. I'm obsessed with serial killer movies. I think you also want to, I think because I'm so obsessed with real serial killers, there's so much variety to pick from, right? It's not always the tropey thing where, you know, you're telling the story and this is why and you're trying to justify or say why he's like likes to cut women's heads off. And we didn't want to do that story. We really wanted to just tell a story that's in the moment. It's happening. And we're not getting into, you know, too much of a history about where he why he's doing all these horrible things, which I like as well because then he become, he stays very scary. You, you don't understand him. I agree. It's scarier when you don't know why he's doing that. Like I think at one point, Sasha, like your character even tries to like say the, that I don't want to give away too much of the movie. But yeah, you try to like get that out of him or like play on that and he just, he shuts it down right away. No, I'm just a psychopath. There's nothing deeper here. It's not as deep as you're trying to make it out. Yeah, he's like, what can I hug you? Yeah, I love that moment too because she's obviously, all she has left is how she can psychologically maybe talk herself out of this situation. And I love that he doesn't go down that route. Yeah, and that I have to kind of come up with something else very quick on the, on the fly. I'm so glad you guys love the movie. I really, you know, I haven't, this is my favorite favorite movie I've ever made. What? You made some bangers. I was like, that's just cool to hear. I know. So in 30 years, I've made a lot of movies and I've loved all of them for different reasons. But there's something about this movie that the way we shot it, where we shot it, just the time in my life, what I needed to go and find something where I could just immerse myself into a world. And, and this, this movie was everything that I wanted. And then the end result was everything that I hoped for before we went to go do it. And so it's really nice to hear how much you guys are responding to it too, because I have fucking just, I love making this movie so much. That's awesome. Fuck yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I think it's going to be highly regarded that comes out of Netflix coming up here. It's, you did a great job. You should be proud of it. Thank you. That's so nice, you guys. You were also a producer on mine. So you really are just all about the, the serial killers. Yeah, are we watching Dateline every night or what's the, where are we getting our fix for this knowledge? I mean, what's wrong with that? I, I, I have fallen asleep to Dateline before. Yeah. My daughter was a, was a story that I heard about when I did Monster when I played Eileen Warnos, who was considered a serial killer. Yeah. And I kept hearing about this guy, John Douglas, John Douglas. He was the first behavioral science guy. And he is really the one that came up with profiling, which was a really big thing that he brought to the FBI and they really fought it for years because they were like, I don't want to hear about this monster's mom. Like, don't tell me, but he had a way of kind of looking at the history of these people and, and he could prof, and he profiled a lot of prolific serial killers actually through, through just knowing more about them. And so I read one of his books. He has many books and he's a very, very interesting guy. And he just always stayed with me as such a fascinating guy because he's like always in like a nice suit, you know, he, he wasn't like, he was like the last guy that you would imagine would go to Rikers and want to sit down with serial killers and know more about them. So he was a great character. But yeah, we, we did two seasons with David Finchran and was just, it was one of those things that I was very proud of. I absolutely love what we did with it. And it is, it's a, it's a serial killer story that really, very rarely shows you the serial killer doing the act. It really was the academia behind. And how serial killers, real serial killers were, they were part of that academia being found, you know, sitting down with them. That's how they built their knowledge for profiling, which I just thought was fascinating. That is fascinating. Yeah. You guys don't like serial killers. Well, I've, I've, I've like, we grew and I will sit down a lot. I've come from Ohio. So I like trying to, Jeffrey, Jeffrey, yeah. That's right. So you guys see it in real life. God, it's every day thing. So we tried to stay out. We narrowly escaped it. We escaped trying to kill each other. Nice. Well, for the movie, everybody Netflix, April 24th, Apex, you gotta check it out. Charlize, before we get out of here, though, we got, we got some dumb questions actually. We have a dumb little, little game that we made up and your movie resume is actually incredible. But we want to know how well you know those movies based off of some of the comments and reviews. We think this is a fun bit of game and comments and reviews. Yeah. So we're going to read a comment and you are going to try and tell us which movie you think that comment is referencing. God is really hard. Hopefully, we didn't make it that hard for you. Listen, let's see. First one is from Miriam. It is, I feel like I just got dropped kicked in the cervix for 120 minutes. Which of your movies would elicit that comment from Miriam? It's either. It's either by the way, five stars, a atomic blonde or tully. You know, the next one is from Patrick Williams, who also gave the movie five stars. A few movies in history have ever whipped quite this hard. Oh my god. I could be a number of them whipped so hard. I can't read it. I can't read it. I can't read it. Which movie do you think you would say that right? No, you're right, that's the right thing. You read it correctly. That was a tough one. I mean, is it is it Mad Max? Yeah, there it is. Two for two. I think whipped was the key word. There was a lot of leather in that movie. Well, I think they're like whipped around. Whipped around. Here we go. From Liam F. Three and a half star review. They were in Italy for 24 minutes. Oh, the Italian drama. Yes. That's a gimme. All right, one more, one more from Adam both all all sex scenes from now on should have Al Pacino in the background cheering for participants. Oh my god. That's devil's advocate. That's an all-time comment right there. Oh my god. It sounds so wrong. This is the only way I have sex these days. Al Pacino's Al, could you come in here, please? And he's lovely. He he submits. He comes. He does it. He's a good man. Great feedback. He's a good man. We're ready. We got to ask you got to do the opening ceremony at the Winter Olympics this year. How was that experience? Oh my god. It was amazing. I I was asked and I was kind of like I don't know. I feel like I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb and it's such a special moment for so many athletes who work so hard. But I really kind of connected to this the idea of just kind of spreading a little bit of hope, you know, and I think I felt like it was a good stage to maybe do a little bit of that. I didn't want to go and like feed anybody medicine. Hopefully I didn't. But I'm fortunate enough to come from a beautiful country with this great man who has a bit plays a big part in in our in the freedom of South Africa and Nelson Mandela. And you just can't go wrong with an Nelson Mandela quote. Nice. So it was very very very easy on my part. I just threw a dart and like anyone that it was going to pick was going to be a good quote. But it isn't something that that quote was so many years ago and how relevant it is today. Absolutely. But it was a great experience. It was just amazing to be was that close to something like that. I just think that the dedication and the hard work and the discipline that goes into sports is something to to to really kind of take your hat off to about like it's like it's it's a good it's a great thing. It's amazing. And the Olympics in particular like once every four years these athletes get the opportunity to go there and represent their country. And you're just know because the stink is so high, right? If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine, right? Yeah. When those skiers come down and they just oh my god, Lindsey Vaughn, I was like oh yeah, we already are. She's a warrior though to go back out there and at least give it one other question. She's a maniac. When I trained for atomic blonde, I trained with same trainers are at the same gym. And I got to know her a little bit during that period and she is like I'd show up so fucking exhausted. I'm like what the who the fuck do I think I am that I'm a martial arts expert and get wrong enough. And then she'd come in and I was just like that's my inspiration. Just look at that. Do that. Just do that. Put your head down. Do that. But she's so lovely. Do you have a favorite event in the Olympics or anything that that amazes you the most? I like this ski that skiing is pretty amazing, but I watched a lot of the figure skating because I have two young, I have a teenager, a 14 year old and an 11 year old. So we watched a lot of figure skating. They were very much into that. That's awesome. Which again, a same thing. It's like that one throw, that one that one missed land. And you're just like oh and I was trying to turn it to my daughters because every time it happened, I was like oh and they're like mom, it's okay. She's fine. I was like no, she's not. No, no, no, no. She can't do this for another four years. She's young mom. It's fine. And they make a mistake and they just have to finish their routine. Like in their head, they know it's over. All this training was done, but they're still going to skate around for another minute and do the rest of it. Like it's very admirable in that regard. I don't know. It's a problem. You know, you're probably going to lose, right? Travis, but it's crazy. You've got to complain. That's, you've got to just love it. I just, I feel admiration for, yeah, for that, with the smile on the face and they still, they're giving the performance, but they know what it is. Yeah. Yes. And we, at least when we're out there, we have 11 other guys on the 10 other guys on the field with us going through it together like they're just mono like one person out there at a time and it's like another level of bravery. You guys have had that feeling right? You've had that feeling where you're for sure. Yeah, no. It was a beautiful moment Jason. We were both on top of the mountain together. Yeah, it was great. He was hanging off the cliff. That's right. That's right. I would have that's a time where I wouldn't have been afraid of the cliff because I would have jumped straight off of it. That's right. You did just mention your two daughters. I have four under six right now. Four daughters. How are you talking? How are you putting it? I don't know if you heard a second ago. There was just something happening upstairs. I don't really know what. I'm going to hear about it. Is there any advice? What do I have to look forward to? What should I do? It was just Travis and I growing up. Yeah, it was just us. Yeah. Well, I was an only kid. So the whole sibling thing to me, when they fight, I actually got worried. Like, I was like, am I not doing the right thing? Like, they're going to kill each other because they're both very, very strong. Like, you know, like, they're not wall flowers and they're stubborn and they're just firecrackers. And so when they love, they love very hard. But when they fight, I'm like, oh my god. Like, am I going to go to jail? Like, they won't stop. And so I have to like call my friends up who my friend was like, are you kidding me? I had two sisters. I almost killed my sister. It's fine. Like, this nature does this beautiful thing where you think you're in your worst place right now so that you can cope with what you have. But from where I am, I can tell you that you're in a lovely place. And they're, they're still lovely and sweet. And then one day you're going to walk into their room around 11. And they're going to just be like, why did you turn the lights on? What is going on? Like yesterday morning, you wanted me to cuddle with you. And now you're yelling at me for turning the lights on. Yeah, they just turn into hormonal nightmares. Like, I'm getting my ass handed to me from the moment that I walk into the house. And all these things are going to serve them so well in life, but I might not make it. We're going to be fine. Yeah, I am holding them back. Yeah, I that is what I'm worried about. I am terrified about that 11 through high school age range. I know it's going to be rough. And they're all going to be so tightly compact. Why it just kicked me the other day? My oldest daughter, like, full on. I'll do your ghost sound to scare on purpose. And she full on kick to me. And I'm like, listen, we do not we do not hit each other, but in my head, I'm like, kind of love this reaction. You want your daughter to kick when somebody does that. That's right. She's got to survive. She got to survive apex. There's a serial killer after one day. She's got it making mark my word. Yeah, when they when you when you have the third one hit 11, I promise you, you're going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the it's what I call like a timeout. Like, I have to really just leave the house right now. Got yourself in time out. Nice. I'm going to go to the store. Anybody need anything? I'm just going to go. All right. You got one rule, Jason. Don't turn the lights on, man. All right. We had a Keanu Reeves on the show early this year. Another one of our favorites. And is it true? You named your dog after Johnny Utah? Yeah, I did. Because I thought I adopted him in Utah. I was shooting a movie at Valley. Nice. And straight dog. Yeah. Ended up in my trailer. And I so he was from Utah. And I wanted to do a little throwback. And I love Keanu's good friend. And I was like, yeah, how about that? That's all. So I always I always yeah, he always went by both those names. How cool is that? It's the best. Have you done other movie names or like character names for pets? No, I have not. My daughter's now name all the animals that we have. So it's a lot of like Billy, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. Yeah, nicknames. Yeah. Nothing been named. Yeah, tiny little cute names. I'm like, can we get like a tough name in here? Like we have a farm and I we got some working dog. And I was like, I get to name one. I want to name just one dog. And it was what would you name a dog? I did name her after a movie. Oh my god. I'm so tired. What do you got? I just need a Ripley after Ripley. River. Yeah. So go any rivers a character in aliens. Very cool. That's awesome. That's a bad. That's a badass female character. I needed a bad name in there because it was a lot of like Billy, Bobby, we have a paddy. And then what they're trying to call the new one Freddie. And I'm trying to go with something strong German. It's a German Shepherd. I'm thinking Gunda like Gundel or like, it's gotta be like a picture like and a big beer house with signs walking through. Oh my god, that's so funny. They like to put the on the end on all of them like to make it cute. So what you they named one of the dogs Teddy. And now I just call him Ted. And it's really cool. I'm like, Ted, let's go tell like I just don't go. And he loves Ted. I can tell he likes it. Thank you. I'm not a Teddy. Thank you. In 2014, you said climbing Mount Kilimanjaro was on your bucket list. Jason has actually climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Have you done it? Is it still on the bucket list? Yeah, I know I haven't done it because I have to teenagers. This is pre kids pre kids. Yeah, what tell me the experience? Was it was it something that you wanted to do or was just by chance? You were so a good friend of mine that also played in the NFL. Chris Long has a foundation called water boys. And they install wells in Africa and like places that they need clean drinking water and whatnot. And one of the things they do to raise money and awareness around a trip every year, they kind of took a hiatus, but they did it again this year is he takes a bunch of veterans and NFL players over to Kilimanjaro Tanzania and they hike on Kilimanjaro. So he had done it for a number of years. He had climbed that I think at that point four times. Like he's just a complete badass about it. And we were talking about it a couple of buddies did it the year before. I was like, you know what? I'll go do it thinking naively that it wasn't going to be that hard. And then just like got humbled so bad. I mean, just like and it's this is like the most white collar like mountain climb you can do, right? Like we have tons of support and like locals that are helping us up this mountain with like giving us water and food and tents are being set up like it's a very if you're if it's possible at all to get my fat ass up this mountain, this was the way to do it. Yeah. Still on the last day, the summit day, you get up really early because the goal is to be at the summit for sunrise, right? So you get up at like 12 a.m. and you just start hiking. You know, you got a six and a half seven hour. I can see darkness like just with a complete darkness. You have you have the headlamp headlight in front of you. And the route that we went that time was very steep. So you can't even go straight up. You have to do a skip backs, right? You're like going sideways essentially so that you can go up this rock base. Yeah. We finally get there. And then we have another two hour walk around. But what I didn't know is once you get above, I think it's like the 18,000 foot or 17,000 foot threshold. You get to a certain point on Kilimanjaro where you're no longer able to replace the oxygen, right? Like it's a slower. It's not as severe as every other, yeah, the other one. I forget the name of the other big summits. Yeah. But you're up there and as a bigger guy, you're using more oxygen. So I was doing great. Wasn't really having an issue and then right when I got to the summit, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I didn't like hit you what how like you were just like so fatigue like a level and a little bit dizzy. And they tell you like the moment you get there, you just want to get down as fast as possible. So I am, I am literally like jumping down the side of this mountain. Like I am bounding and like skiing like skiing down on my shoes just to get down as fast as possible. My one buddy bow is just seated in the gravel. And he's just sulking because he's so tired. I'm like, dude, where are you going? It's like my Sherpa left me. Did you enjoy the summit at all? It was incredible. I mean, you are very tired, but at that point, you put in four days climbing up it. At least on this trip, we do. There are people that climb it much faster. But we it's such a highlight of a moment. And then on top of that, like Holodi Nata, one of our teammates was retiring at the summit. There's all these wounded war. You're like, he's the guy that only had one leg that climbed it with us, right? Like it's a really powerful trip. Oh, he smokes. And you still bitched about exactly. That's the thing. He did it so much easier than I did. And I was like, you've changed, Jason. And then the worst, the worst part, too, is then you still have to go back down. Like we get down from there. We get down to that base camp. And then you have to go down another, however many thousand feet from there. And my back just started tightening up. And it's it was a grind of a session that I was not prepared for. You're not telling it. You're not selling it at all. I will say this. Knowing you and what I've seen you do in these movies, I think you would absolutely crush it. And I told everybody I would not do it ever again. But there is something where when you go through something that taxing and that intense, I would go with my daughters because I think it's like, it's a transformative experience if you've never done anything like that. And Kilimanjaro is for sure. Like there's nothing more symbolic than overcoming struggles and adversity, then climbing them out and getting to the top, right? That is a very symbolic thing and it feels like Kilimanjaro is the most approachable of all the major summits for novice climbers. So if you're thinking about it, I highly recommend it. It's awesome. I feel like I just used up all of our time to talk to you in the story. I'm going to stop talking now. My next trip. So yeah. Yeah. You'll enjoy it. We just love how you love. Yeah. You have to hate it a little. There you go. I understand the whole, like, you know, wanting to do something with your daughters. I'm always looking for something like that that I can go and do because otherwise I'll just end up living in a Sephora for the rest of it. I must get out of Sephora and I just took my, my oldest girl is very, like, she's a scary cat, like, she's very pensive, you know, which I love because I'm like, you're going to be safe. I'm not going to worry about you when you leave home. And then the little one's a daredevil, like, just completely crazy, but I spend spring break with them and I was trying to find something like what you were talking about that we could do together that would be like, and like, we'd get to the end of a real accomplishment. We did that. Yeah. And so we went to Hawaii and I found this zip lining company and I didn't tell them because I knew they would just say no. So when we landed, I said, we're going to play a game. Everybody's going to say one thing and we all have to do that one thing. And so mine was zip lining. Nice. The fear that my, it was, and it was pouring rain, it could not have been more miserable. I could get a little dice. We ended up so high it was like eight zip lines to get down. Skilled. Like, really? And then you're tied to a rope and you can't go backwards. You can't go forwards. I was like, this is going to go so wrong. And my oldest daughter didn't want to wear the raincoat because it didn't look cute. So she's in her. Of course. Of course. We're heating a dripping water and I'm like, you should have put the raincoat on, but we got to the end of it. And it was really, it's, you can't describe it. Like, it's so much work as a parent to do these things. But at the end, you're just like, wow, we got in the van and everybody was laughing about it. Nice. The hard work that it is to get you guys up here and look at you now. You've got a wet sweatshirt on and you're still happy. There we go. It's, it's weird. It's like the, even in football, like the misery that you go through with your teammates. What you talk about the most like you talk about camping in a hundred degrees and you're all out there sweating and hating life, but it somehow brings you closer together. It's yeah, exactly. We got one last question. Last one. We will stop taking up your time, but we have to know we asked all of our guests. What was their welcome to their profession moment? What was your welcome to Hollywood moment? I, it's down to like a, like a written moment in like a very cheesy lifetime original movie, but I landed in at LAX and I knew nothing about Los Angeles. As a matter of fact, I thought I was getting a one-way ticket to Hollywood. And when the ticket came, I was like, it said Los Angeles, I was like, God damn it. So, I grew up on a farm. I did not know any of the stuff. So I was, I drove in a taxi from LAX and I just remember I stayed. He took me to this hotel called the Farmer's Daughter, which now is a really nice little hotel, very boutique. But back when I stayed there, it was by rented by the hour, I was like, I can afford this. And when we were, when the way he, he must have taken me a scenic route because it's not the natural route to get to this place. But I just remember on one of the roads, I actually saw part of the Hollywood sign. And I just went, it was like, and I was like, I'm, I'm gonna make it. You're doing it. Hell yeah. That's awesome. That's so awesome. I called my mom that night and I was like, I saw the Hollywood sign. I was very proud of myself. I was a moment where I definitely felt like, oh, now I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. To be honest, I, I, I can attest like you, it's hard to find that. I hear you saying you, he took you to scenic route. It's hard to actually find the sign if you don't know where it is or exactly what view you can get to see it. It's a, so, but seeing it is magical and I, for you to be going to LA for the first time and seeing that in the start of the career, had to be epic. I might have been the route of a serial killer now that I'm here. Haha. I, yeah, it was a very, I'm just saying you hear the scene of crowds. Don't ask questions. Isn't it? But then interestingly enough, somewhere on the trip, you must have decided against it because it didn't, he didn't kill me. So I wonder what I did in the car that made him go, oh, not this one. I'm going to take it. Thank you, man. You broke me, serial killer. For not killing me. Well, we thank you. Congrats on another amazing movie. Can't wait to see. How everyone just raves over this one and best of luck to you in the future on all the other movies that you have coming. Thank you so much for the stories and your time and wishing you the best. Thank you so much, you guys. Thank you. And I'm so happy you love the movie. Thank you. Yes. Absolutely. All right. Bye. I will say sorry. You shot it out the best book. You shot it out the mind hunter book. Oh, oh, you love that book. I have a right here. You said that. That's on the fucking shelf. I know where that is. Oh, my God. I thought you just like Googled searched it and like slipped a note. Oh, no. We got dog ears in this bed. Like brain, it's our resident serial killer. That's right. Yes. Yes. Listen, you want to go. You want the LA tour? I'll take you on the LA tour. You want to see the serial killer. I want to take you. Don't tempt me with a good time. I feel like I need to do a whole other podcast with you. Come on. Come on. Anytime. It'll be four hours long. And it'll be just me talking about like zodiac and it'll be, I think for everybody. That's so amazing. You're, you're definitely my favorite out of the three now. What's up? What's up? I'm here. Brad in Switzerland. I'm shot up. I came in right at the end. All right. That's it for our conversation with Charlista. She's so bad. 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