NFC East Breakdown: New Coordinators and Roster Overhauls

If you were officially on to our division roundup, we're going to take a look at kind of what has happened since the Super Bowl. We've just covered pretty much everything turned wise. You could possibly imagine in the NFL in our football school. Again, if you're looking for that, just go to match quarters, look up football school or wherever you're listening on your podcast. Just go back for the past 12 episodes and you'll pretty much get it. We started with run fits. We covered blitzing. We covered motion. We've pretty much covered everything. Now we are pivoting to breaking down these teams in really the only way that we can here on Let's Talk Ball. We're going to get it to the nitty gritty of schematics. What this looks like, player evaluations, what the roster looks like. But there's a there's a few headlines or we're first going to start with because again, this is a football show. So we have to talk about Dax legacy. And the producer and the producer and me is like, yeah, this is how we should start. We're going to talk about divisions. You talk about the guy who wants to run the soap opera and football, the actual soap opera and football in the Philadelphia Eagles. And then the giants of commanders who are also just kind of there for all its worth to because they're interesting every three years or whatever the case may be. But then again, you look at it and really some interesting individual players and interesting individual situations, depending on if you're about Dan Quinn and Harbaugh and all that jazz. It's like, yeah, you want to talk about the NFC East all the time because it's the NFC East. Exactly. Well, and too, if you really think about it, like people get tired of it, but you have to remember these are the biggest markets. You know, Dallas, it's like the biggest group of markets. Like I know that she was LA in San Francisco and Seattle, but I think this is just like being that it's only East Coast to and like more East Coast and Dallas being Dallas and I don't know. Maybe it's just the NFC East. Well, and as you know, like we talk like people talk around that's understand like LA is not really a football town San Francisco. They love their 49ers, you know, Seattle. It like it's just sports town, but it's just like this is New York. This is Philly. This is DC and you have Dallas, which is a football mecca in and of itself. It's a representative of Texas as a whole. Yeah, exactly. All right. Let's let's break down a few things. Just kind of quickly the news and notes around this division, AJ Brown and that whole up and down roller coaster. It's finally over. He's headed back with his old coach and Brable who, you know, went viral during the draft of literally just getting up and walking out. I think that was kind of the beginning of the end of his tenure with the Titan. He was like, why the hell are you getting rid of him. He's now back with his head coach that leaves a big boy. But that's where Don Tavian wicks who is essentially another big vertical receiver coming to the eagles. So they they send Brown over to the Patriots. They traded what digs for Brown. And then now you've got now you've got wicks there coming alongside the Vante Smith. Well, and we're going to talk about impact rookies here in the division in just a second and women from USC is one of those guys that does fit into that role of replacing AJ Brown or at least trying to early. You have a guy like Devon Tay Smith who, depending on who you asked might be the best or was the best number to receiver and is probably around one of the eight best receivers in football. I mean, I that's at least how I feel about him. I'm a big Devon Tay Smith fan and last receiver last non quarterback to win a high-spin trophy in college football. I think that goes a long way, even though this is the NFL and he has proven himself in this league too. But then you add in a guy like Don Tavian wicks who like you said can't take the top off. And adding in a third receiver, which is kind of what Philadelphia was missing any way out even when they had AJ Brown. But again, talking the NFC East and I think where a lot of the drama starts is because they're like, you know what? Just receivers. Let's let's bring in the biggest deva players we can and Odell Beckham Jr shows up out of nowhere like literally years off. And just like fine, I'll come back and play for the team. The first team I ever played for. So it's just it's the NFC East being the NFC East and being like, you know what? You remember what brought us our our biggest popularity 20 years ago, Torello and dumping popcorn on his face with the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles. And so it's just like what let's let's get back to our roots and it's divas for the NFC. Yeah. And then the last really the last one here is pickens is going to be the biggest people of them all. Which you know, it's so funny. I really don't. Steelers are by far the team that's like they cannot draft a normal receiver. Pickens going. They're all like pretty they'll have like a 1300 yard season at least. I think they they produce they're just kind of you know a little bit crazy right well, you know, I think with pickens it really showed last year that hey he could handle the fact that lamb is really the number one he did disappear in some big games. But for the most part and we'll dive into this when we get into the Cowboys here in a second, but this is you know essentially the off season in terms of free agency and player acquisition was all about the receivers in the NFC East. Even though like the Giants it's like, Oh, that was really a blip and it's not that big material. I don't think that he's going to come in and have a thousand yard season. I just think like it's one of the things where they need depth which will again when we get to the Giants will kind of will kind of examine that you know you mentioned that lemon with the the Eagles as an impact rookie. We also have two Ohio State defenders with Caleb down to I think has probably had the most height. Now I know a lot of this has to do with what we led with in the show which is that this is the Cowboys. But I also think the ecosystem we are in the NFL with the nickel we you know we talked about that was we did a whole episode on the star position the nickel position in the NFL and its evolution. I think a lot of people are looking at if there is an impact defense of rookie it's probably going to be Caleb down in Christian Parker who by the way is coming from the Eagles system with the Cowboys. And I kind of believe it I think if he hits if this is another Cooper D'Agin if this is an even worry type pick. Then I do think we're looking at you know essentially a big time star in the NFL. Well yeah it is interesting we're talking about wide receivers and it's like I'm okay who's the school that's produced the most out of them in the last 10 years Ohio State okay let's talk about defense now well then it is even more interesting because the two players that these teams are going to I think that the logos and the teams kind of match well when you talk about the star position Caleb down to supposed to be that guy moving forward and I think even if things go tremendously well for Christian Parker and he's a head coach in two or three years. There's still at least the basis of Caleb I mean he had a year with Nick Sabin was one of his best players and it's still carried that on throughout college trust me that that is still with him to this day if he has two or three years with Christian Parker and Christian Parker is supposed to be that guy then he is also supposed to be awesome too but then sunny styles on top of it like he's a six foot five middle linebacker. To commander on the field and he got drafted by the Washington commanders and I think it just really works out that way and then also our Val Reese is a New York giant because what look at. Yeah so the trio I that's really interesting to me is that the trio all ended up in the East they just got their only guys we're going to dive into how all of these players especially work and then really the only new head coach in this division is John Harbaud the Giants a very awkward. Lead up to the draft the things not there after this year is he I don't you know I don't know I you know people around there talk about he has a really good relationship with the owner he's really good on the scouting side player personnel or just day to day for the actual team is going to be funneled through. The manager right so I don't I don't know how this is going to work I've had it explained to me a few times by different people that it's basically creating to silos you have player acquisition and player scouting you then have the day to day operations and maybe picking players from the NFL for that team or picking the players are being picked by Harbaud so I'm really interested to see this with you know the addition here though is. You know you also he's kind of running it back so they're trying to create this Raven system there with that kind of siloing out I know that they brought a lot of the analytics people from the Ravens with them to the Giants and then obviously picking up Denard Wilson who was his passing in coordinator with the Ravens all right let's let's start getting into the team aspect let's go you know you talk about sunny styles they're going to have to be what essentially replacing Bobbi Wagner here. In the middle I thought it was really interesting the biggest thing here with Dan Quinn is the fact that he fired both of his coordinators I think people were really confused and kind of taken a back by the firing of Cliff Kingsbury and then going you didn't hire anybody new you elevated David blow. [BLANK_AUDIO] assistant quarterback's coach who is the assistant quarterback's coach three years removed from playing by the way um clip I thought quick quickly gets picked up by Sean uh Sean McVeigh who's like yeah I'll take I'll take that got it I'm on a word I'm you know here's the other thing too to think about this down the road he's gonna lose she'll house next year probably to a head coaching job which is his offensive coordinator that he's already got his offensive coordinator in he's gonna be be like he's doing the same thing with the offensive analyst and and sarkisian and mike locksley are on the staff may not make it any money or whatever and I think what I really think because if you go you you follow the bread crumbs because that's what I always tell people look follow the bread crumbs don't just look at the headline which is Cliff Kingsbury's fire follow the bread crumbs okay they hired the quarterback's coach versus which is a young guy he understands the system he doesn't really have a background it's really only worked for Kingsbury they hired a new offensive line coach who did they hire the assistant so they get rid of Kingsbury's guy they hired the assistant all line coach Anthony Lynn is still the running backs coach which if you talk to people around the commanders the run game especially the gap scheme and a lot of these pen and polls and all this stuff that was going on with the with the commanders that was a lot of the hallmarks of Anthony Lynn I have no idea what this will look like at all I I think like Terry McClaren I think is kind of waning he's on the downhill slide trailing berks you know they pick up he was kind of you know a disappointment with the Titans Antonio Williams is drafted in the third round you have Luke McCaffrey who is an okay slot receiver Deamny Brown who I didn't think he went to Jacksonville now he's back Jaylin Lane like I'm with Jacobi Jones like you know Vance Jefferson these are these are not people who you're sitting there and saying okay I feel like we're in a better spot they bring in O'Conquo from Tennessee to go with John Bates who they already have you have been Senate at tight end okay so you're still going to run multiple Titans but at the end of the day it's Jayden Daniels that's who it's that's who it's going to be in Rashad White from Tampa Bay that's going to be you know to me I'm looking at this and I'm just not seeing you're running it back essentially but have you gotten any better no and if anything you've only regressed from your superstar quarterbacks rookie season when you guys went to the NFC championship and I know that was a bit of a fluke or whatever the case you want to put that but you beat Detroit who was one of the best teams in football that year ran up against your your division rival in and played them for the third time that year you were supposed to be that next team to elevate and what have you done in the last three years elevate David Blau like that's honest to God what that's what's happened in the last couple of years is that that that's all that's happened in the last couple of years and with all of this you can't really afford to be stagnant and play around with this and I think the the commanders ownership group because over the last couple of years would realize this and that's why I think hiring two brand new coordinators is a is even further not a good sign is because yeah we kind of got to figure this out now because Jayden Daniels is that injury risk but also he has such this high side because we went to the NFC championship game his rookie season if we can figure this out now let's figure it out now yeah it's what like they're going to figure it out now right I it's injured there it's essentially we're going to run it back we're just not going to do it with with King's Barry we're going to tweak a couple of things um we're going to go you know I I really think what this is is the spread element of King's Barry I think they're like hey we've got to get more under center we've got to get more kind of plate action passing we've got to essentially I watch crazy is King's Barry's essentially a modern spread coach but they need to get more modern in the fact that they need to use more time but see that's what so confusing is because if you go and you watch the commanders the run game was very much a modern run game I just think that they need a quick quick giving Daniels the ball as much it's kind of what happened with Lamar Jackson right you kind of realize hey more under center more uh handing the ball off to the running back don't put it in his hand so yeah I'm really interested I think the biggest red flag here is the fact that Quinn fired with junior who has been his guy for a long time which and I I think to your point about Daniels and like just handing the ball off and turning more into the mark jacks and I think that that would work if they had more of a basis like the Ravens would and like their defense and they built an offensive line that just matches exactly and they just don't and Washington doesn't have that around their Lamar jacks and their version of it even if he is 85% of it or whatever the case may be and so it is it is a nice notion like sure Ben Simmons play like Yannis it's not the same thing because they're just because they're built the same exactly a different sport reference but just to let you know Cody uh but um is that baseball yeah yeah yeah but um it is it is just one of those things of like yeah sure build your team that way you got to build the entire team around the court and that is just kind of the risk of drafting jaden daniels but you drafted him and now you know realize that he is can be that good but also he hasn't been that good in the last couple of years because of injuries because of because you haven't built that team around him like that yeah it's just gonna be interesting to me I think two Kingsbury before we quickly get to the defensive side because it's very much uh copy paced I think the last thing I'll say here about I think it's also Kingsbury's didn't want to move guys around didn't want to motion a lot um some of the basic structures were there the passing game was good the run game was kind of good but again health and then the movement of players I think basically modernizing or getting closer to the meta of what's going on in the NFL this is what that move was and it's a slight tweak on offense defensively though like I said it's a full-on reset they were two man reliant without a secondary remember they tried to get laddum order come in there and that didn't work they tried to run man they didn't know what to do with same or still he's really a nickel but now he's playing outside corner you know they couldn't really figure things out there defensively so what you know they had the one year were Wagner and Luhu were both all pro but now Luhu looks like he's the odd man out in this system so I don't really know so what does he do which I think is really interesting is that he goes and hires Dorontek Jones from the Vikings and then if you look at all of the offseason moves they are going to run Brian Flores defense from Minnesota and I think what he looked at was we can't rebuild this secondary right we have Sainter still Will Harris we pick up Nick Cross who I think is a really good pickup for them this is going to be a guy that can move up and down all around the box he was a huge blitzer for the Colts last year and then Trey Amos that's your four guides that you're going to have there but if you go and you dig a little bit deeper into this defensively what do they have they got O'Daufe Awa from who was with the Chargers but was a Ravens guy kind of a hyper athlete guy Ed don't drop him in a coverage though so this is going to be like your Jonathan Bernard for the Vikings there Leo Shennall who you know we've talked about him he's essentially a Swiss army knife on the front you can line up yeah he literally can line up anywhere you add sunny style to the six five you know alien in the middle of the field that can essentially run vertical columns he can cover you know he wasn't much of a blitzer Averis really was the blitzer but then you get a guy like Chacian from the who's really more of a a third down pass pressure but you pair him with a guy like you know Frankie Lou Vu who has been able to kind of be that hybrid lineman you're looking at a lot of pieces that like the Vikings would also happen right like oh okay you have Doron Payne who is pretty much a plugger in the middle and compatriots Javon Kenlaw who we've talked about is like he's he's definitely a guy who can work through through a gap and is really quick you know so you look at this and I really think you are getting face meltdown 5000 East like that's really what they're building I think when Quinn looked at that secondary he realized hey we don't have a very good secondary what's the best defensive scheme that we can do without having full cell rebuild it and I really think that you're looking at it in the Vikings of that system of like hey we're gonna coin flip we're gonna blitz on 50% of all of our downs we're gonna run zone coverage on 80% of our downs but it works for the secondary and I'm interested to see how all these pieces Yeah, all right. Talking to another defensive overhaul looking at Dallas and what they're trying to do. We kind of talked about with Christian Parker and Caleb Downs are trying to but they've also revamped their defensive line over the last year. Obviously losing Michael Parsons. I get the fair beginning of the year. But then also bringing in Quentin Williams and Kenny. Kenny Clark. Good God. I was calling Kenny Williams. I was like, that's not I know it's something else simple. Kenny Clark but they and they wanted to adjust and and improve some of their run defense and they did. But what else are the Cowboys doing this year with the addition of Downs and Parker? Yeah, so you look let's let's just go ahead and say it. We are no longer going to talk about Michael Parsons. We cannot. That we completely moved on time to move on. Done. It's been a whole season elsewhere. Yeah. In a whole season. It's it's it's it's move on. I think you're looking at a young coordinator. I think I know that people are very worried about it. This is a young coordinator kind of a first time deal for the Cowboys. He's hand picked by shot and Heimer. He's super cerebral. If you look at what he's been able to do at his spots. I mean, this is a guy that got pat sustained to be an all pro with it by his second year. Dijine and Mitchell were both all pros last year in their second year. So yeah, Caleb Downs is probably going to have an elevated play this year, but look for that explosion in that sophomore season too. You know, I think the biggest question facing the Cowboys right now is fixing the secondary is okay. Okay, Doron Blan, digs and bland. If you go back and you look yet they had those all pro seasons, but that they they feasted on bad quarterbacks. They were very much going look at the bears. What was one of the problems with the bears? They were too over reliant on turnovers. Well, who was their secondary coach? That's the secondary coach that basically taught digs and bland how to play off ball. Everybody focuses on digs and bland is like these on ball man center core. No, they played off and they took a lot of chances. So I think cleaning him up. You have Kobe Durant who understands the system. He's coming from the Rams. He understands his own system. You have I think the biggest bonus here is Shavon rebel who fell all the way to the Cowboys. I think what in the fourth round because of a knee injury. So I think if you look if you look here, can you get a first round talent like Shavon rebel to actually become that I think him cleaning up the back end is going to be really, really important. And I think look at what they did Caleb downs. I think Kobe Durant is going to push rebel. I think rebel is going to push Doron blend. So you have three corners that you feel comfortable being starters. You now have your nickel. This is a nickel based defense. They want to run sub packages. I think Malik hooker. He's still one of the better post players in the NFL. He's a good deep safety. You're going to pair him with Jalen Thompson who can play really all over people. People will go to his 2025 tape where he was pretty banged up. He was also happened to play a bunch of different stuff. He was playing a lot of nickel. He was playing a lot of down. He was doing a lot of different things. Go to the 2024 tape when he was him and boot a baker were cooking. And I really think that's the that's really where you're going to go. You have your hybrid safety structure. You have the guy that can kind of communicate and get down near the box in these cover three structures, but he can play within the quarters to a box that they have. You know, I think the front is actually going to be relatively good. I think where we are defensively. We've talked talked about this with in our football school. But building that edge room that deep. It's a been room with multiple rooms, right. We have these bigger guys like a Roshan Gary. He's not a drop in. But now you have that guy kind of like a DeMarcus Lawrence was for them for a long time that really was like, look, I'll be the run stopper to the field. I can have heavy hands. Right. You heavy hands. I'll be the run stopper. I can add a little bit in the past. Mike, you go ahead and go off on the edge. And I think if you look at what they did, that's going to be kind of that as a rock. It kind of element that you see there. They drafted the Malachi Lawrence kid in the first round who they feel like it's going to be pretty good. You have some other guys in same Williams and James Houston. I think what they're looking at is why can't we use the aggregate like Seattle did last year and be able to do that really lean into the interior presence that we have with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams. Quinn Williams is a monster. He is going to do numbers in this in this defense. Right. And me being a cheese guy and seeing the impact of Chris Jones. I think that I saw the deal a little bit differently than other people. And I think people saw it again. We're done talking about Mike Parsons, but people saw it in conjunction with that. I saw it more as a shifting of what they were trying to do defensively. And that's how Jerry Jones saw it. It just took a man. I didn't take him out for this season or other reasons why but at the end of the day it is it did shift their mindset and it opened up a few more doors because they got to spend 10 million more dollars or however many more million dollars on other things. And that was their defense. And if they want to do that aggregate thing like the Seahawks did last year. I know that the Seahawks offensively it was really good last year. I think they could do it even with a more firecracker like offers with DAC CD and George Pickens and whatever run game that they could produce because that's what the cow they cow always always tend to find some type of run game at some somewhere like they did last year. So what do they do to really get things rolling this year? I think it's the secret card for them is damn our offense is still really good. And our defense is improving. Yeah, and this is where the only major concern I have for this defense. I mean outside of canteron land still play football. I think if he can't you're looking at a very thin corner room, but you have one of the better secondary coaches in the NFL to help clean that up. I think your safety room is rebuilt but the size of linebacker is an issue. This is a very small linebacker room and the one guy with size, Jason barwin barhand you drafted in a third round. He's 240 is a rookie. So and we know drafting a linebacker's a lot like drafting a tight end. You don't know we could the kid could turn into an all pro the kid could be out of the league in two years. You just don't know. But when a rookie is the only size you have, I think the one caveat here is you do have a lot of size on the front line. This is not a light front line that the Cowboys have traditionally had that has been more of a single gap go blow it up. Hey, we'll tackle the running back on the way to the quarterback type of defense. And then you have these kind of big lineback the problem that has happened is that their linebacker got him lighter. And they've never replaced them with actual like box linebackers. Right. So it's like that now hey, we're going to clean up some things on the front end to keep you safe. But if you can elevate this defense to just 16th best in the NFL. Like you mentioned it, this is an offense that is running it back. There is nobody different from 2025 that they're bringing in for 2026. I think that the big question here is going to be the running back health of Javonte Williams and the Jaden blue who you know who kind of came on what towards a later part of the year. Right tackle is still an issue, but I think they feel good about where they are offensively knowing everybody out every the best off its that problems at right tackle is unless you're the Eagles. Right, exactly. And that's really because you have to allocate numbers anywhere. I think, but we've also seen you want to build inside out. And I see the left tackle position is important, but you want it. We have seen this in the past couple years. You want to build inside out on the offensive line and on the defensive line. So I think it's really really and we'll kind of tie tie the boat here with the cowboys. I think it's very interesting that it took Scott and Heimer, who is a, you know, you call him what he is is a nepot baby from, you know, Marty shot and Heimer. And we look at a long standing NFL guy right to come in and say, Hey, we've got to do different things. Then what we're doing and it's really interesting in the year of our Lord of 2026 that we're actually talking positively about the cowboys in their offices and moves where they're moving from and you got to give kudos to shot and Heimer who looks like he has taken a lot of these lessons because look. And he's not a sexy higher either. I think people forget that he was not a sexy higher a lot of years ago, he might have been right. But I think a lot of people didn't around here in Dallas didn't necessarily it didn't move the needle, but I think what we're looking at if this defense can get to to 16. And then the parker is the coach that I think he is, then we're looking at a cowboys team that can actually maybe win a playoff game in 2026. So I don't know I'm high on the. I'm a little bit I'll say this right now and I am a little bit biased because I love Christian. Parker and I really do dig. - I'm not living Dallas and you're in Cowboys fan. - I'm not a Cowboys fan. - And you claim Dallas more than I am. - My father-in-law is a Cowboys fan and I have made it my life's goal to just make sure that the boys are not Cowboys fan. Just to be the thorn inside of my father-in-law. So I do think though, we'll wrap it up here. I do think the Cowboys have potential. I do. Let's move on to, you mentioned it, the real-time soap opera of the Eagles. And we've seen this play out before. Cereani, hand picks, and offensive coordinator. It goes abysmally bad. - It's like season four. We thought this, what are we doing back there? We're like season eight. You guys already won the Super Bowl. What do you got to-- - Right, but this is the, this is the hilarity of this, is that we talk about the Eagles sometimes as though they're a terrible team. And this is one of the best teams consistently in the league. - The only team other than the Chiefs that have won multiple Super Bowls in the last, like since the Patriots. - Right, yet, but it's just because it's like, they win in spite, but Cereani does such an excellent job. And I think this is the point, too, of like football is still very much a coach-led sport. Cereani understands how to control that locker room. I think in a lot of other places, the AJ Brown situation, the Heart, the Jeylin Hurts situation, where we're finding out all this, all this stuff is coming out. - What does he, Jeylin Carter got kicked out before the gate, before the season started? - Yes, oh yeah. I tell you, yeah, I tell you how to do that. - And I know that was a year ago, but like, is there's always something with the Eagles? - No, it is. And so I think, but we've seen this play out before, right? You're gonna get Sean Manning coming in. He's a Shanahan system guy from the LaFlur tree. He's coming to Philly. Like I said, we've seen this play out. This is obviously hand picked by the GM. Another former quarterback, like Blau, with three years of experience, now an offensive coordinator. And this is to me, also shows you, you can hate on the backup quarterback all you want. But these guys are a critical piece. I think my friend Jordan Rodriguez did a piece on backup quarterbacks before the season last year. I would encourage everybody to go look that up on the athletic and then go read that because these guys are not just holding a clipboard. These guys are actually working with the starting quarterbacks. They're important. If anything, they actually might know the offense better than the starting quarterback at certain times. So it's not surprising that we're seeing a guy like Nanyan and Blau, three years removed. They both had the same story. There have been backup quarterback, a career back of quarterbacks. They were tired. They move into coaching. I think we've seen this before. And his name was Gary Kubiak. Backed up L-Way became a long time NFL head coach. And oh, by the way, I think aren't both of his sons offensive coordinators in the NFL. So I think this is one of those things that you look at. This makes sense to me too. Because with Brown gone, they added, we talked about this, McCoy, Limon in the first round. You have Wix, who's essentially built in a similar mold to AJ Brown. They added Stowers from Vanderbilt, who's a Joker tied in. I actually really like this. They come bargely in a gun run system. Jalen hurts in a gun run system with an actual movement and things like this. I actually think, again, we've seen this play out before. This looks like the Eagles have the right mix at offense for 2026. And maybe. I just-- Yes. I just think some of it. And with the craer that AJ Brown is leaving regardless of, the replacement of Wix and Limon and Smith is stepping up and all that jazz. I, hopefully, that all works out. And there's all those plausible reasons that it will work out. And like I mentioned with the Ravens earlier, they do have the good backup and then the good foundation of a good deep into the Eagles, the culture, and all that jazz. But at the same time, I think how he rose me will fire Nick Cereyani if they don't make it to the playoffs this year, which, depending on how things go, if the Giants and commanders are frisky and the Cowboys are as good as both of us think they're going to be or could be. Who knows? I still think there's a reason why that big fan-geo came back for another year. And I think that's why Pritchand Parker ends up-- so the Cowboys need to think, Fan-geo coming back for another year. I think he looked at, OK, you're going to clean up the offense. You're going to get this guy that you feel like you're going to bring in a system that's going to fit our personnel. I'm looking out at the defense. We brought in Jonathan Grenard to replace J. Limffa-Lips. I think you're going to get similar production. Quinnian Mitchell, Cooper D'Agin, were both all pros last year. There's no reason why they won't be this year. We're going to add Rick Wolland, who he may not want to tackle, which doesn't work in the Cover 2 system in Seattle. Cover 2 corners. You guys know if you are a coach or shaking your head, yes, they have to-- especially when you get widespread zone and duo a ton, the corner has to tackle. I think you now have a situation where he can play to the field. He's 6'4" playing to the field. Quinnian Mitchell is going to take that boundary corner. So you're looking at, I think, a trio right there that is going to be nasty. This is a team that played heavy match coverage. Now they have it in the three most important positions, corner and at nickel. I think where there is concern, though, has to be at safety. You lose blank in ship. Do they feel like we're losing the quarterback of the defense, especially on the back end? But we're gaining athleticism in the back end, especially when we're asking these guys to play more man. I think you're seeing that. So Eps has been around. McCuba is going to be the one that's the question mark. How is he going to step into his role as a first-time starter? There's not a lot of depth behind them at safety, which is why you're going to see Dijene play safety in base. So when they're in the three, four, Dijene's going to transition to base. He's going to be the guy that moves around. Basically, he's going to be playing the same thing he was doing when he was playing that nickel position. So I think this defense, there's a reason why he came back. I think he feels really, really good about the mix of players. And I think-- I know you talk about it. The ego's potentially not making the playoffs. But I really think that at the end of the day, this is the Cowboys. If they elevate to 16th on defense, they can just elevate the defense a little bit. But I still think that this is an ego's division to lose. OK. The Giants, they're a very interesting situation because they're shifting their entire organizational model to essentially what John Harbaw came from and expertly mastered over the last however many years. But also, at the same time, I think they're going to be the third best team in the division, even if they finish fourth. And let me explain that real quick. I feel like they're going to be by the end of the season if they only win six games this year. Make up? The Giants. Feel good about the Giants a little bit. And they're probably going to beat the Eagles like they did this past season. And I'm probably going to have a game against the Cowboys where it only takes a long-branding obrifield goal or something like that to get them over the top. But I also think that they're the team that has so many things building. And frankly, I mentioned earlier, may not have their general manager. Yeah, I think it's a-- I feel like they're kind of-- it's more of a structural change within the organization than necessarily a coaching one. Because I think you get your boy Matt Nagy as the head-- as the offensive coordinator. You're going to bring in that chief system gun run system Fitz-Darden-Scoutiboo. I think that the spread system fits them with what they have. Theo Johnson. And I say, likely, it tied in. The Joker tied in to your 11-person L.Y. off tie-dins. I mean, just even when you're in 12, you've got Theo Johnson. He's a little bit of a bigger guy. Put a sand down. He got likely who's that move-around guy. Think of him. This almost like a Travis Kelsey-esque. But is this receiver court dangerous? I know neighbors is going to be coming off of-- neighbors are going to be coming off of an injury. You look at this roster, too. I don't necessarily know. Am I really scared of Calvin Austin, Darius Slayton? Darnell Mooney's fast. They drafted Malachi fields in the third round. Ju-ju Smith Schuster. You could speak more on him. Braxton Barrios. Odell Beckham. Oh, wait. It's 2026. Nevermind. All right. So my point is this move is not for-- like, I think you're spot on. This move is not for 2026. This move is really for 2027. And I know fans hate hearing that. But you've always nice here for Giants, man. It is. Them and the Jets. I don't know what it is about New York. But it's like-- you have to hit a hard reset. If you're going to completely restructure the franchise, and really silo this thing out, very much like the rest, Ravens are. I think that that's part of it. I think it was a lot of people were wait, so you mean Harba doesn't answer to shown Harba answers to the owner. Yeah, I think like that's pretty much how the Raven they had, you know, they had their player silo, they had their coaching silo, and I think that that's what you're seeing is that this is more of a structural move. Whether it works out or not, they are going to completely restructure their franchise because I think the owner understands that's the best way forward. I think the biggest concern here is you have Brian Burns, Arbel Rees, Abdel Carter and K. Montibito, who yes, K. Montibito can move inside, but is he aggressive enough? Is he, you know, you mentioned early, heavy-handed enough to really play inside? These are guys too, like Brian Burns is one of the best hybrid edges in the NFL. He can play linebacker. He's kind of being Ginkgo-esque. Kim and Van Ginkgo can literally play anywhere. Arbel Rees is coming in. Okay, he's essentially kind of a clone of Abdel Carter, right? Like they're kind of the same player. Abdel Carter really hasn't hit, I think, in the way that I thought a lot of people thought he was going to. K. Montibito has not hit in the same way. They have a ton of depth, so I think that there is some positivity here of where you let Brian Burns pretty much be the adjuster. And then you have these three guys like K. Montibito can come in on third downs. He can move inside if you need him, if you need the speed package. You have some kind of depth. Denard Wilson last year wanted to do a lot, right? Wanted to do a lot in the back end. He wanted to do a lot in the front end. He quickly realized he didn't have the players. They ended up becoming a two-man front. That's what he called it. Yet your two inside guys and sweat and Simmons. And then you kind of played basic structures on the back end because you just didn't have the personnel. He called his linebacker court immature. So I think it pretty much was like we're gonna, we're just gonna line up and play defense. I think this is a guy that comes from the Raven system. So this is gonna look very much like Jesse Mentor, Mike McDonald, Anthony Lieber in Miami. So he wanted to be disguise heavy. I think the front end has that ability. I'm just not sold on the back end just yet. Mm-hmm. And I mean, minebackers if we're all being honest, immature in general. No, that's totally the interior defensive line. Let's be honest. The worst human beings on your roster are typically gonna be your corners and interior defense lineman. Those are that that's that's normal. Okay. I'll give you corners. I'll agree with you on corners. Maybe I'm just as a as an off of the lineman. I hate linebackers. Stay. Yeah, I get it. But typically, typically those are gonna be you need those guys to be the connecting piece. I think if there's something that we've seen as there has been a market inefficiency in linebackers is if you have a bright mourner, that's fantastic. You're probably gonna be a top 10 defense in the league. If you if you have at least a stable core of guys in there, you can now you're raising your floor. You're ceiling may not be high, but you're raising your floor. But if you don't go look at the Carolina Panthers last year. Yeah. No one, you know, Devon Lloyd is gonna step in. I know we're kind of going on a team. But Devon Lloyd's gonna be a big connector for them there. That's why I'm I but the edges here for the it seems like there's a lot of guys. Mm-hmm. And you know, you've got Dibbito getting closer and closer to kind of that contract ending. You know, what are it? Is that a guy that maybe moves during the preseason? I don't know, something to something to keep an eye on. Mm-hmm. That is that is interesting. We're getting closer to it. That is gonna be I mean, if I if I again, another tangent here, but if CJ Stroudman, I get paid, gave on to the little question marks around there too, if you ask me. Yeah. So we'll just finish up here with the giants. I think Adebo and Newsom who they brought in, who's been kind of inconsistent with the Browns. I think him playing in a little bit more of a look. Denard Wilson wants to play press quarters and he wants to play match cover three. That's what he wants to do. And so I think he's got two guys in Adebo who can pretty much lock up a number one outside can run it. You know, that's what they want. I think Yante Banks is out. I think he's the odd man out here. Newman needs to step up. This is a guy who I thought played really well as a rookie took a step back last year at Jamana Holland. Hey, at one point you were considered one of the top safeties in the league. You go to the New York. Everybody got excited. But there was a reason why Fangeo and the dolphins allowed you to walk. I think that's the other thing. Like there needs to be consistency of play. But I do think one bright spot here is they have a nickel and drew filled. So it's going to be interesting. We talked about it. I think this is it. The Eagles division to lose. I think the Cowboys are going to push for second place. And I think you mentioned the commanders are kind of right there. If if they for whatever reason, maybe the defense, the face melt or defense works in the east. You we see the rookie Jane Dino's come out. They can push for that second place. And I think I'm with you in alignment where if the giants even wherever they finish, I think that this is more about 2027 than it is about this year. Yeah, yeah. It is it is one of those things like I was looking at the just kind of the things we've talked about so far today. And like it is the most dramatic division because they've got the best actors. I've got the bed like not I wouldn't even say the best actors like the best players individually. It's just like it's the most interesting chess pieces because the coaches are interesting and shot and hymer is guy to even like he's probably the least interesting individual but also at the same time. Is he is it good? Yeah, pretty good coach. Yeah, I think I think he's proved that. I look there's there's there's a reason why these guys look everybody argues about the whole nepotism thing but you know when it does hit when it does it there's a read that you know like McVey he grew up with his grandfather teaching him how to do work around in the NFL on that side. So there's it's just an accelerator especially when you have down I think he's a really good coach. I think he understands the team. And now we're seeing it on the on the personnel side when now he's hand picking who he wants to be coaching with him which is typically not been the way for the Joneses. So again thanks for joining Felix and I on another Lex talk ball. If you're interested in any of this schematic topics like I said football school go back to the last ball of episode starting with the run fit one and just kind of work your way through as we kind of wind down the summer and hey we are less than a month away from preseason football which I know everybody's fired up for.