535: Next-Gen Siri: Disappointingly Not the Chatbot We Wanted

Oh, welcome back everyone to Merch got that you're a weekly developer podcast talking about things in the world suffered development on one of your O's back in the Pacific Northwest James. I know and with me the man also in the Pacific Northwest Miss Frank here as a Go on buddy. Oh, it's going wonderful James. Welcome back to America. I know this is your favorite place in the whole world except for pretty much every other place in the world, but welcome back. And I can't wait to spend the next two hours talking to you about the fourth generation Apple TV. This is going to be exciting. There's a new Apple TV. Oh my gosh. Rumors, the River Mill hashtag James was right. I said before the iPhone announcements, I said I was actually looking forward to the new Apple TV because I'm due to update. And I actually want to write an Apple TV app. And it's too slow for what I want to do. So I'm waiting for the new one to come out. And you are all like, it's totally not going to happen until October. Frank, you just going to have to be patient. And I'm not a patient person, but somehow time moves on. And it's almost October. And there's been a bunch of Apple leaks. And one of the Apple leaks is that there will be perhaps, I mean, it's still a leak. It's not an announcement, but perhaps the fourth generation Apple TV 4K will finally be released. I could see, you know, the thing that Apple obviously, you know, they do other events pretty differently, but they haven't had like a dedicated home event. Like, obviously, the HomePod hasn't really been refreshed. The Apple TV hasn't been refreshed. There's been that rumored Apple sort of home device. There's a screen on it that is a home pod with a screen that was like a supposed to be like a Siri interface showing you different information kind of like a, you could Google home or any any of the Alexa's ones, things like that. They're all kind of out there. So I am kind of curious because it is a fascinating time. And I was just a, I was just in one of my apps recently. And I was like, oh, do you want to connect this to Apple Home? And I was like, yeah, maybe I do. You know, and so I could see they could rejuvenate. I think it's a big space for them. They did do a big, pretty, big push right there. They added doorbells. They added security cameras. You know, your iCloud account now has been storage for that stuff. Your Apple TV can do on device processing of your video footage. So it can detect animals and people and things like that automatically without having to do it like on the cloud or something sketchy. So they have a lot of opportunities to do something special there. And you know, I think of it because like my U-feet device does have like a home home base. It's like a home doc type of thing. And that is where I have like a hard drive in and it does the processing on that device. But a lot of folks just have the the blinks or they have like whatever little dingus of the world. And they put that little security camera up and it's just connected to a cloud all the time. They don't have that like storage device or maybe has just like SD card in it. And yeah, you could have a bunch of little Apple TVs sitting around just like doing the processing storing the data and ideally like you'd hook up a little extra hard drive up to it and boom, you're good to go. You know, that'd be nice. Oh, there is ample opportunity because we've all been making smart homes which are not smart at all. But what they are is controllable. So finally, there is like a digital computer interface and the unified digital computer interface to control all the little appliances and stuff throughout our house. They are so far from smart though. Like it never knows when you're properly at home and all the like good stuff. So I think there is ample opportunity to add intelligence and really make progress in the actual smart home world. I don't think it's going to happen too soon. Apple seems to be dragging their feet a tiny bit there. And this is one of those things that like for the rest of humanity, our homes will just be getting smarter. So I don't think anyone feels like a big race to it either. There haven't been any big innovations. But I've noticed a lot of people talking about smart Siri, Siri AI. Like people are actually a little bit excited for Siri getting smarter. Every single person that tells me that I'm like, wow, it's not that smart yet. But I hate to break it too. But there is enthusiasm out there. I'm noticing at least in my anecdotal evidence that people want more intelligent this and that. You know, we've all gotten used to chat GPT and talking to AI is that way. We want that to be a little more pervasive. Yeah, it's really really fascinating because right now there's the the grok bots. There's the open AI just announced their bits or their bites or their little dots, their dots that dots are whatever. You know, and M365 and the co-pilot app, there's auto pilots that are announced are kind of like these always on like virtual agents. Everyone seems to be about agents. I saw the cute little open AI demo where you can you can call your you can call your dot if you want to on the phone and have them do stuff. Why not? I don't know like I think that you know, the connection bit the one thing that interested me quite a bit in the open AI demo is they're like, hey, like, you know, there's 400 connectors for the already using in chat GPT. And like you could just bring that to your little virtual assistant now. And then I thought about it. And I was like, well, what if, you know, your virtual assistant had access to all of your, you know, Apple, you do your home devices, right? And it could automate different things. It could set things up. We could do these other things. Like, you know, it's kind of interesting, but you know, I'm wondering if we can go a little bit further than just like talking to the dingus to like have the dingus do a thing and it would be a little bit more proactive. You know, I think about like, you know, imagine you were recording, you know, DVR, let's go old school, right? But imagine like, you know, we're 10 years back, 15 years back, this is where I got started in the DVR world. But you're, you're recording the thing and then you set up all these automations and you say, okay, like record the show and then I'm going to drop it in this folder and then this folder happens like do this and then you're like, you know, run some proprietary software that's going to like cut out the commercials and it's going to put it over here and then it's going to rename it and then, oh, it's going to go into theplex and you got to download the metadata and do this thing, right? Like I deal with your dingus and your little bit pop kids like go off and like pragmatically they try to understand your shows and we've been watching and like knows your history and like this and it's like, oh, I might like this and then do that and then kind of like do all the things. I don't know if I needed to do all the things but yeah, you know, they're trying I guess to do more than just the chat interface it seems like and then the modern age and I think the Siri people have been wanting to but I'm wondering if the Siri I have an updated iOS 27 so I'm interested if you have or not but like I I feel like what I've heard is everyone seems to be excited because it's going to do more but then I haven't heard anyone use it yet, you know, because it's still dumb. I don't know how, but it's still dumb. I don't know what they keep doing to it to limit it. I really don't get it. Just give me chat GPT. Just I is that so hard. I watched Maddie. We were at NDC Oslo. I watched Maddie use Siri AI. Now I don't think she was on iOS 27. I'm not 100% sure but she asked it like a general question. I don't know what the question was. It was not complicated and then it was like, you got a chat GPT this and then it opened a brand new interface. I'm like, what is happening? I'm like, I've never seen this. I don't even have that. I don't have like, I have an iPhone 11 right? It's the worst integration. And it's just like, I will go just like chat GPT and I was like, yeah, what is it doing right now? I don't know. I need to investigate further because I'm curious what the heck it's doing because the onboard foundation models model did get better. It's a significant improvement over iOS 26. But they seem to keep showing out to chat GPT in a very unintegrated, not smooth way and that basically breaks the flow. And it's not like, it's not keeping, because like, imagine how few words do you say to it? You say a couple sentences and imagine a million token contacts like that thing could last a year. Like Siri could have a year of context, but it doesn't. It's not like that. And I don't know why they won't do it. I don't know what's holding them back, but it's just not there yet. So ample opportunity, but I don't know. Apple keeps just fumbling with this ball. I don't know what the big deal is over there. Like they keep making their integrations and they keep doing a poor job at them. It feels like so unappled because, you know, Apple, it's like, hey, we got the calendar app. We got the mail app. We got the, you know, browser. We got all the things that are the default on your phone. Just like when you install Mac OS or like Windows, like here are the default apps, right? And it's like here, but you're going to be able to just use those things. And yeah, you know, with all this, like, amusing, like, the muse by Metis, he adds every five seconds. I see the crock bought ads. I'm going to see some dots ads and see ads about all these people that are like, oh, there's already drugs or doing stuff. And I mean, it feels old, but then I guess it's new again, because I'm just new interfaces for these agents to do and connect to different things. But it feels like, yeah, the foundation of there, of the shortcuts, of the knowledge graph, of the of the context of the foundational models on device. So I'm curious, like, you know, in this newer iOS 27, whatever the foundation model two stuff is with the bigger context, like maybe it's just not big enough, right? To be doing a lot of this stuff and they really don't want to shell out to the private cloud off to, but I mean, I'm just saying, just saying, I'm just saying, I use the foundation model and for general inquiries, it's kind of fine. Like, maybe it hallucinates a bit, and by it bit, I mean, a lot, but like, at least it gives you an answer pretty dang quickly. Apple just said seems like they really don't want to write a chat bot. Like they're putting, when you install the 27 version of iOS and macOS, Siri is getting jammed into every little text box. You can't click on a text box without a stupid overlay coming up and being like, would you like Siri to write here? You're like, no, Siri, I'd like you to get out of the way so I can actually use this user interface that's in front of me. Like, it's really poorly integrated. Like in the mail app, there's summarize buttons everywhere. I'm like, aren't you smart enough to see the email I'm looking at right now is literally one sentence long? I would love to see what your summary of this one sentence is, but I'm not clicking that button to find out what your summary is. And then they have like an always on grammar corrector. Apple, no, no, your grammar corrector is terrible and it keeps everything you type in. It tries to rewrite, especially when you're doing like technical writing, like it doesn't understand technical hyphenation, it doesn't understand any of our acronyms, any of that kind of stuff. So they seem to like, there seems to be a mandate in Apple to like integrate Siri and intelligence into everything, accept the important part that we want, which is the stupid chat interface. Yeah. Open AI is open AI today because of chat GPT. Like don't kid yourselves like, it's chat GPT. And as programmers, we live in this little agents bubble, but it's chat GPT. Apple just refuses to create chat GPT for iOS. I mean, it's the chat interface is what we did for Google forever, right? And like, you know, if I Google or if I Bing, I get those little AI summary overviews, if I need to, if I know already I'm going to need a little bit more detailed information, then it's like, I just open up copilot right away and I'm like, boom, good to go. Are you open your chat GPT or your Gemini or whatever it is? What the all the things? I'm just a comedy man, right? So I open it up, like last night, like Millie was sick and she was throwing up and I was like, oh my gosh. And I was like, well, I need to have, I need to have a conversation with someone, right? It's one in the morning. And what is something that has a knowledge graph of the entire internet and will ask me valid questions, get detailed information and follow up and refine that information. That's a chatbot that can do it. Yeah. It's all it was like grade and million ended up being fine after like four hours and five throw-ups later, but she made it through the night, she did fine today. And yeah, sure enough, there was like some threshold that I just kind of kept the chat going, you know, and going back and forth. And yeah, I find it so odd that they're just, have all these random bits around, but not just do the thing that clearly, yeah. Like you look in the app store, right? Like all the number one apps are chat GPT and Muse and even like, you know, like, you know, people dog on co-piles, like the number like 10 application or whatever, in the app store, you know what I mean? It's like, or productivity, whatever it is, you know what I mean? Like all those are in there, you know, there's different, different blends for different things. So I find that really interesting that maybe, and again, I haven't updated to the latest 27 on any of the devices. And I wonder if the pendulums are swinging. Like as Microsoft, the company I work for, we seem to be like fine-tuning the placement of co-pilot and AI into your applications. Apple is like, you know what? It's like time for us to finally like jam in and say you need this everywhere. I'm curious, you know, if that ends up being like the case for it or not, what happens? - That's a funny point. It really does feel like Microsoft one year ago. That's exactly how iOS 27 feels. Yeah, you nailed it. I didn't even think of it that way. Darn, make me sad because they're so good to finish usually, so there must just be some crazy mandate going through there. - Well, and it could be like the interesting part there is when Siri was just Siri now, Siri's a bunch of things in a bunch of different places, then that becomes really complicated. You know, if you just watch, there was like this let's learn to get a co-pilot SDK, and there's some sessions about the co-pilot SDK about how like the team and basically Microsoft is like standardizing on that agent harness on the co-pilot SDK like everywhere, like powers the new app, it powers a co-pilot in office, it powers like all sorts of stuff, right? Co-work, all these experiences. And to be like, hey, listen, instead of 20 different teams building 20 different integrations in the working 20 different ways, standardizing, like when you're, when you're, you know, when you are startup, you are just flinging stuff, right? And that can work and sometimes it can, right? So that's why you see, oh, okay, like there's the Siri or the co-pilot or the whatever integration and it looks and doesn't feel the same necessarily everywhere or just like, actually a bit different everywhere, just jammed in everywhere instead of like this, here's the cohesive thought process and that takes time to smooth over. It's a lot of A/B testing, right? You don't know if someone needs a thing, unless you put the thing out into the world and that is, that's hard. So I'll give them, takes courage. - Takes courage. We're down to the world, that's, that's what it takes to put that little icon everywhere. Something to add an automatic grammar checker that you can't turn off. That's maybe hubris, not courage, but I don't know. I understand why they don't want you to turn it off, but come on, hell, come on. And I think you can turn it off if you turn off spelling correction, but spelling correction is what I do need 'cause I'm a terrible typist, but I don't want your stupid grammar correction. - Oh, yeah, you know, I don't need the grammar, I mean, I want, yeah, I, what I do for grammar correction is never real time. It's like afterwards, I'm like, I read it and I'll like, make this sound, yeah, like I'm a butt. - I'm more, now I'm more, wait until you get the blue underlines and then the blue underlines sparkle and turn into something you totally didn't intend before. But going back to our previous topic, it was, I was thinking about how all the new models weren't AI slowed down, but with that AI slowed down, we're releasing a lot of new models. So a lot of these new models are judged by their computer use, which I find interesting because that's one scenario I still haven't gotten into with any of these agents or anything. I do not want to grant them access to go start playing around on my computer, a computer mind, not yours agents. But I was thinking when we were talking about the home, IOT stuff, home use eventually will become like a proper benchmark at some point. When you can say, hey, when the neighbor's cat comes by ring every alarm or when a postman comes then send me a message and home use. I'm looking for that to become a new benchmark. - Yeah, like literally we had this family of raccoons on the camera and I was, I watched it and there's a raccoon. I was like, oh, he'd normally raccoon will go through. We had like these cats in the yard and there's a raccoon and all of a sudden I saw another raccoon, and I was like, this is inappropriate, too many raccoons. - Too many. - Too many, they're up to, one raccoon, not already up to no good. Two raccoons haven't for a bit. Three, now that is inappropriate. You cannot have three raccoons. They are gonna mess stuff up. So I had to like go into the UV app, had to click on the camera and then I had to hit the alarm and then I had to hit the slider and it's really good. Like the alarm when it happens, it makes audible sounds, it flashes light, raccoons hate flashing lights. So it's the correct, the hate flashing lights and sound. So it's like them. - And it, they went, a scurry in a way. However, to your neighbor's house. - Now there is, for example, I can set and I don't do it because it would just be kind of pure chaos. But there is a mode which is like, hey, if you detect a way, you're in a way mode and you detect a human or an animal, trigger the alarm. It's like, well, I could just be at night and I could just be taking out the garbage or like it could just be a deer passing through and I don't want to trigger the alarm. I'm sleeping. But ideally, that gets fed into an an. It's like, oh, I see a raccoon. Oh, I see three raccoons. Okay, like this is inappropriate. We need to like, here's this like. So I would go into the chatbot and I would say, hey, listen, Dingas, if you see a family of raccoons and it's their meangerin around for more than 20 seconds, fire off the alarm for 30 seconds, and then also send me a push notification. Let me know. XYZ, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And then stop it and then monitor again. And like, you know, so you would do that. Like, I think in Outlook now, for example, you can go in and give like the co-pilot like custom instructions for like meeting requests. You can say, hey, like, if I ever get a meeting from my manager or my skip, just auto-approved that puppy, right? Or like, if I have a conflict, like try to move, I try, you can give it different rules basically. Like, that's what I'm kind of thinking about but for home automation. Like all these different little rules, XYZ that are in there would be pretty nice to have. 'Cause like right now we have automations. It's like, oh, like, I have one for the thermos, smart thermostat, right? Which is like, every night at 11, set everything to 60. Like, yeah, cool. However, what if I go to bed after 11 and I turn it up a little bit? Doesn't get turned down, does it? 'Cause that automation is not set up. So then you set up another automation. It's like, you know what, if it's midnight, also said, oh, it's one in the morning, also said it, and then like, that's no good, right? Like, you could have a dingus. It's like, oh, I see that you were watching Apple TV. Oh, you're going to bed? Oh, let me turn on, like the heat in that. See, this word becomes cool, right? Oh, I see that the heat in the house. Like, it knows that you're watching TV. So it's like, oh, okay, like they're watching TV. There's 20 minutes left. I'm going to like turn on the heat and do this thing. And like, you know, like learns your habits. That seems creepy, but I don't know. It seems okay. If it's doing it on device locally, that's fine. (laughing) We're just like debugging. Because I have, I like you. I have like five. I've automation set up for my one bedroom heater. I don't know why I'm so picky about this one stupid heater. But I could like take a step back and be like, hey, could you review the 8,000 things I've set up on this heater and let me know like, which ones look dumb to you or whatever? And you know, more agency stuff, more autonomous stuff without having to dig through 50 different apps and 50 different things. - Did, that was just where I wanted to be. - We talked about this before and it still doesn't happen how I wanted to happen. Maybe this will be one of these autonomous agents that happened in my future. But a good example is like, we've all been running GitHub actions forever. And we've all seen the little notification that's like, hey, node 20 is deprecated. - Oh God, it's separate. - That's triggering, trigger warning everyone. We're about to talk about node versions on GitHub actions. Oh, just when you think your life is in order, GitHub decides to deprecate another node version and you have to update every single action by one V number to get everything updated. Would it kill them to just run every version of node? But would it really kill them, James? - I think it's a security problem. - It's a security problem, you know. - It's a computer. - It's a container on a trust. - On a trust. - On a virtual machine. There's no security involved. I don't know, I have to ask the hire above, but I don't know if you gotta get it. So I went last night when Millie was having her issues, I was up and I was like, you know what I'm gonna do right now? Because I'm gonna say, hey, I have way too many repos, but not all of them are active. So I said, hey, go look at my most 50 recent active repos on GitHub that have GitHub actions that are running. And I booted up Luna to our previous podcast. I booted up Luna. GPT-6 Luna. - Hi, baby, Luna. - Extra high as I go do this. I said, audit it and then give me a report of all of my GitHub actions, understand all of them that are out day and I gave it a link to the documentation. And there's all these auditing tools that I think are built in the command line for actions. So it went off in three AI credits later, three cents, three pennies, three, not, you, they don't even make pennies anymore. So you'd have to get a nickel back for this puppy. This would be free, actually, 'cause they couldn't charge you a nickel. For three pennies, it wrote this, it audited all 50 repos. Generate this whole report and I had to update, it was like, oh, you need to update, I don't know, like 80 different actions or whatever. And I was like, oh, that's probably good. 'Cause it just turned off. They just officially, they've been warning forever, they turned it off. - Right. - I still think it would work on this. But I don't know, I was like, okay, let's go do it. And then I was like, hey, go create PRs for all of them, right? And it was fun to watch. 'Cause Luna was like, huh, okay. Like, I need to go figure out what versions. And it's like, okay, now, how am I gonna, it's like, I was watching the output. I said, it's like, how am I gonna, do I like, do I clone all the repos? Do I, can I post all this stuff? And to do this, I think it used like the graph API, it's like do some differing and things. So it didn't clone any repo. I just did open up, it opened up like 25 new issues on different repos over PRs. And it did all of them. And it's just like one-shoted, and that was five more cents. So for under 10 cents, I updated everything. So what I'm thinking is, how come I don't have an agent or how come there isn't an agent that I could turn on? Like, I'd be happy to pay for that, right? Give me that agent. And I guess I work at this company. I could just, I could go do that. And I would depend about does this, right? Depend about does this, but there, but it does it for like NPM packages and other stuff. Maybe it does it for actions, but it's more for security vulnerabilities and normal updates. So that's a type of stuff, right? Like we've been talking about, yeah, just go off and do the thing. Like, okay, like for example, example number two. So the latest version of.NET,.NET 10.0.401 just was released. Yeah. - And Mexico 27 speaking of the devil speaking of iOS 27. - And alongside this release, yeah, the iOS, Mac, Maui team, whatever, all the, the need, the people to do the hard work and to make ourself run. Alex and team, they came out with a release that included Exco 27 support that you have this build. And I know this because one, I was running a build last night at three in the morning and it failed because I didn't have, because Exco 27 was required on the latest, because I have like the latest. I must have like service releases or whatever allowed on that version of the.NET runner. And I was like, oh, interesting. And now luckily Exco is available on runners, right? But this is a great example, which it should be, hey, you know, I've noticed that there's a brand new version of Exco 27 and the, no, it would have to then understand the case. This is a Maui project or an iOS project that this new versions come up. But it's smart, I'll just figure it out, right? It should be able to figure that out and then do the pull requests. Like, let's get this puppy going. Like, let's get a move in, you know what I mean? 'Cause I need that duo support, bro. - Yeah, sorry, you got my mind wandering there because I think Exco 27's the first one that doesn't support Intel. - Correct. - 'Cause we talked about this on the podcast, but nothing more exhilarating than saying, oh, I actually can't build some of my old software. - I was just last night when I was again up until three in the morning 'cause of Millie, I was setting up, I'm gonna take my fire number application. That's on iOS and Android. I'm gonna put it out on Windows and Mac and I was getting my Mac catalyst version. I was like, hey, thanks to Maui Sherpa, I have all my secrets, all my provisioning profiles created six, five seconds, it's amazing. And I was like, hey, can you create the GitHub action for me to do the thing? And then it's like, oh, like I need to build and it's like, the default is to do this in this. And it's like, well, I'm gonna make sure that X64 and ARM64 bundles, I was like, nope, I was like, nope, I don't need it. (laughing) It doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. - It's gonna fail. - So I removed X64 from the first time from my, which is funny 'cause I was prepping the Windows build and I was like, make sure you get X64 and ARM64 into the build, right? So yeah. - Yeah, it's a little bit sad for me because I still have a bunch of users on Intel. So I'm a little annoyed. So I think my current version of the app 16, I'm still gonna use Xcode 26, but for Mac. - For Mac. - For Mac, yeah, for iOS. I hate just having the repo on two different Xcode versions really bothers me too. - That's what I was thinking. - I just hate it, yeah. - So I think I'm gonna do one more release with 26 and just not adopt any of the new APIs. They didn't change too much, it's fine. It's mostly the Duo, the iPhone Duo that I really wanna be updated to 27.4. - Bestie came to me. - Yeah, anyways, you need a sidetrack. We were having fun AI home conversation. You just made me like, I was 27. Oh, you give a little and you take a lot. (laughing) Do I need to update my Mac OS to Mac OS 27 to get Xcode 27? - Do you want grammar checking? You can't turn off. - So, I don't think you do. I think I don't think you do. I know you can still run Xcode 26 on Mac OS 27. I think you can do the reverse also. Let me see, I can check that pretty easily here. According to the Mac iOS release notes, it says, Xcode 27 is required with this release. Xcode 27 requires Mac OS 26.6, uh-oh. - Yeah, it looks like at least as of Xcode 27.1, you could still use Mac OS 26.6, so. - Oh no, I need to update. I got 26.5.1. - You'll be fine. - No one wants it in emoji or something. - No. - Okay, so once the update, okay, yes. And then I get the choice. So here's the thing, I guess. So now I have the choice of updating to 26.7.1 or to 27.0.1, am I ready to make the release? - Honestly, it's fine. They barely changed anything. The only thing they did was put Siri in all the wrong places. That's the biggest difference I've noticed. Otherwise, I can't tell the difference between this so less than the other one. It's not that. We are definitely in a minor update year. Ignore all the hype. Not much has changed in this year. - Yeah, hype train. Interesting. - I will say the sidebar changed. So if you're developing apps, I recommend you get an app like, you know, clean room to test your apps on older versions of Mac OS. - That is good. I guess you had a recon pile. You got a recon pile to get the new look or does it just automatically have been? - You need to recon pile. I'm being a little bit hesitant there because usually you have to recon pile. Um, sometimes not. It's a good question. I don't have a good answer for you. - I got many apps that have it. So I'm ready to check that out. That is for sure. - You're sidebarring all over the place. - Dude, a sidebar so hard, like hardest. I like a sidebar in all my Windows app and all my Mac apps. just like, I'm all in on the sidebar. So tabs on tabs. mobile sidebar everywhere else. It's just, it just is, yeah, just is there. Yeah, the way to, you see the new 10 bar then you can just, or the new sidebar, then you'll tell me if it's any good. It goes to the top. It goes to 11 instead of 10 now. And it's a little weird. It's fine. You get used to it very quickly, but when I first installed macOS 27, it looked weird. iOS 27, I don't even notice the difference. Okay, so I always, I always thought the sidebar was weird in 26 because, you know, it has the frame that comes out. It's a frame inside of a frame. And it's like rounded corners inside of rounded corners, so many rounded corners. But when you, when you bring it out or put it in, it's like the right hand, which you see the right hand curvature of the line that picks a line that is like the box around it. It literally like flies in and like goes over or under the red, yellow, green. Like they're two separate disconnected elements that aren't like connected anyways, which seems weird to me. They're connected now. I think that's what threw me off before. So in general, the big change in iOS or macOS 27 is they added ugly 3D effects to everything. Like the glass effect, if you thought that it was a little much, now it's a lot much. So there are highlights and shadows on basically everything now. It looks like Windows Vista. Hi. Hi, Windows Vista. We all miss you. Talk about Apple copying Microsoft. And that's the big difference and the other differences they find we got rid of the border on the sidebar. That's what I mean. It goes all the way to the top. So okay, it's a good thing. And it's a bad thing. Both. I give it a go. I'm excited to try it out. Yeah, I think that. I mean, I'm kind of excited. I know where time is like near because iOS 27 is already out. And the duo is like on its way here pretty soon. But it's good to see the support drop for for Donate 10. I can update all my apps. But I do think that like I'm seeing all these ads everywhere. And you know, grants that I work at an AI company, an cloud company, an enterprise company, and developer tool to them, but you know, all the things. But you'll got a lot of AI. And I use a lot of AI like every single day. But I'm still not. I guess I'm not ready to hand over. I was I was listening to a to a Bloomberg interview where they were talking about Muse. And they were like, oh, yeah, like, you know, I needed it to buy this or like, oh, I needed to negotiate as like the canonical examples. Like, can you negotiate me like lower internet or like insurance or whatever. And he was like, oh, for me to do that, what I had to do is I had to give it all of my Gmail information, then all of my bank account information, then connect it to strive and do this. I'm like, you're just like giving that to matter. You're like handing all that information to matter. Like it's just all of it's just over to Facebook. You're spreading it out though, because you know, right now Google has it all. So you might as well let all the big players have all the data. You know what? I don't trust one of them. Might as well not trust five of them. Yeah. You know, I think if like for the for the kids growing up these days, they're going to be the best off because all the data is just going to be flowing between all these big services anyway. So they're just already in. They they they sign their soul to the devil. And they're going to benefit from it. They're going to get all the features from the devil. Well, it's us who haven't signed away yet. Well, it's like, you know, when you need to like connect a bank account to look at service and you can so that the tried and the tried and classical classical way of doing this for kids that don't know how they preplad was you would type in this long number. You're your routing number and your account number into a box. And then you would wait a few days and you would wait a few days and then they would give you two deposits of different penny amounts, like 12 cents a five cents. It could go wrong. Yeah. And then they would ask you. So secure. What were those two amounts that were deposited? Three cents and five cents, two cents and three cents, three cents and two cents. And and then if you take them back, they do, they want to depend your back. I take the money's back. They do a whole H H H C transfer just to get those pennies back. Oh, AC H. It's a clearing house. You know, it's an automated clearing. And if you are interested in how like AC H is or it is wild. It's like a whole is I watch a whole video on how banks work and it is how it looks like. But anyways, you would do that. Then it's like cool. You're connected now though. That is your handshake. That is your, you know, when you get the message to the two factor off from your phone and hopefully you're just getting it from an app now. But that is like, that's how they do it. It's so wild. So now they have plad, right? And plad you just like log into your bank of America or your chase or whatever your thing is. It's like cool. Your accounts. It's as good to go. But then you basically handed all of your data and information over to this random third party connecting company. And I'm just like, it's so inconvenient. I'm just going to do it. I'm all in. And then like how they're like refuses. But she's like still getting the pennies and doing this stuff. Yeah. It's so, I think it's an American system. We just have an ancient terrible banking system. But it's just so gross because that third party who connects them all, that company changes every five to 10 years. I'm all about to see like there's always a new connector coming out. And the plad happens to be the one in the viewer right now. But it'll be something else eventually. And then you got to remember, oh, which one's this plad have access to? Which one's this new one have? When the new Venmo comes out, whatever that money company is called. Okay. It'll be a new connector and whatever. Okay. Now I'm just sounding like an old man now. But we are as we are, Frank. How did we get on this topic? Can we go back to Apple TV 4K 4th generation? It's going to be awesome. 817 or 820. I wonder which one it's going to have. Do you have a 4K television? Yeah, I do. I do. It's not in the 4K. Yeah. So I do want the 4K, but I have the world's slowest internet. Thank you Elon Musk. So it doesn't really matter that much. What I want are 4K apps because once you see 1080 on a 4K TV, it hurts your eyes. The pixels hurt your eyes. So I have to buy the 4K just for the user interface mostly, just for the rendered buttons and drop shadows. I need my glass to be 4K glass. Super glassy. Yeah. I think we have the Apple TV 4K, but we just run in 1080p because we only have a 1080p TV cell. I so refuse. I think that it's crazy because I have my switch to and I have the 4K. But like, 1080p just gets good enough, I guess for me. I don't know. I'm like, I think about it, but then I was like, well, this TV still works. And it's not plasma. I don't even know how to get rid of it. I think I have to like, I think I have to drive it back to the store I bought it in Washington for the receiver roll. Yeah, yeah. It's a whole thing. Drift plasma. That's fine. Interstate paperwork. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. It's a good way. This port TV has gone through the gambit. That is for sure. But yeah. That's not worth it. If you like your TV, you like your TV. There's a lot of my TV. The TV, it's the blacks. They're so black. In fact, they're completely black. What do LED? Oh, LED. Yeah, sure. Let's go with that one. They're getting pretty good though. It's getting pretty good. I mean, they're no, I guess they're no OLED or plasma, but they're getting really good. I mean, they're thin. They're brighter than OLED. Wow. We're all over the place this time. But yeah, the darks aren't. The darks get the the bloom effect, the bleed, but they can crank those puppies up. Like, I've been having fun with HDR. That's what I'm actually, I wrote a little neural network that actually fake HDRs things. And like, my goal is if there is a sunshine on the screen, the whole room should light up. And I should have to like kind of dodge away from the TV a little bit, you know, every time the sunshine is that's my goal. You know, white is not good enough. It must be blinding white sunlight on my TV. Well, yeah. And that's the thing is why I've been waiting on a T on getting a TV because I want the I want the real HDR, right? Because there's like, there's like, what I've figured out, like there's TVs that are like, oh, it's HDR 10 compatible, which means it can like receive an HDR signal. No, we think you need a whole podcast on this. Yeah. But like the switch, the switch too is it does have HDR in it. It actually has it on the screen. But I haven't, I haven't like seen that anything. And apparently like Metroid is like just gorgeous. Like, apparently you can do HDR right and you can do it wrong. And some games like just like nail it. And it's like gorgeous. And at 120 hertz, like the bonkers, but I don't know. Well, you know, now it's sweet. I think they're talking about new OLED MacBooks. So you can do that because they're all microLED right now. How much can you possibly charge for these MacBooks, dude? Like they did a lot, a lot, dude. Like because what they just went through the price hike, right? They just did their 30 or 50% increase in price. I'm seeing this for the TV too. Like the TV used to be 130 bucks, I think. Then it went up to 200 bucks to talk about like the new ones probably like 250. Who knows? That's a whole TV stupid. Yeah. a five year old iPad connected to the TV, so they can charge a lot. I mean, they're already charging a ton for the MacBooks. I guess if you make it an option, right, that kind of how they have on the iPad Pro, where you can add the, yeah, fancy filter paper thing on it screen, you know, the, the, yeah, the color, where they pretend to like the micro, what does it call on? The texture, the texture, so it doesn't get the reflections as much right. I had, yeah, I don't even know if they come out of the new iPad Pro in a while. Micro scratches, micro texture, something like that. I've had many, has been rumored. So won't that be fun? Not that I can do it. I thought, yeah, well, this one's a tie. Nano texture glass. Nano texture. So much texture. So little texture. So yeah, the rumor is OLED plus cellular. I don't know. I wanted a cellular laptop 5, 10 years ago. I don't think I care anymore. Now that I live on an island, we don't have cell reception anyway. Interesting. Yeah, I can't, I mean, there's definitely tons of then, I guess you just tether, you know, exactly. The phone's good enough at that. Yeah. Yeah. I used to get the cellular on my iPads, but then I ended up spending on $100 a month for a couple of years and not knowing it because of that inside decided, what's not do that ever again? That's how they getcha. Yeah, I'll be interesting. I would love to see them do more. I mean, it is, yeah. HomePod. Still not touch screen. They won't give us the touch screen on the Mac. See, I would pay for a touch screen MacBook. I would. They're protecting their iPad. Yeah, it was just on my, like, because especially on the MacBook Air that I have, it would be super nice because they have the iPhone, you know, mirroring. And the first thing you want to do is just like scroll it and like not with your mouse and keyboard or not with that. Exactly. It makes so much sense. And did you see people finally got Mac OS running on the iPad? I think through a jailbreak or something. People have like steam running on the iPad, which is just genius, obviously. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Talking about Steam, I think that I saw a little bit. I was watching a review video of the new Steam Box. Steam box. Steam PC. Steam machine box. Steam machine. That sounds a little better. Yeah. It's a little PC, a cute little PC running some Linux. Here it's all RAM. Here, 1200 of that's RAM 300 is the CPU. I think so. I mean, it's really fascinating because it goes from like either 512 SSD or a two terabyte. And it's also fascinating too because they have like an AMD Zen4 in it. Like they decided not to go on and off with an arm chip, which I wonder if that would bring down price at all. But I was watching. And yeah, it's like I am I am curious if the RAM again, pricing will kill it. I was I was I did not realize. I guess I've just been I haven't needed a new computer since we bought these at the perfect time, which is luckily for us. Yeah. It's like the the 5090 is it the 5090? Yeah. Well, it's like a card like $10,000. Oh my gosh. Stupid. I know. Gosh. I had a chance to buy one at two grand. I should have done it. Oh, well, it's crazy. It's just go just go get a 3090 everyone. But oh, I'm sorry. You need you need the 5090 for the new AI up sampling. They're doing on the video games. So never mind. You need like a 5060, I think or something like that. Oh my gosh. But you can get a 3090 for like a grand on Facebook marketplace. Just get that. It's fine. It's fine. 24GB is a RAM like the RAM alone is worth that price at this point. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It's interesting. I'll be fascinating to see how the steam machine does. I mean, only because, you know, I know it's not a handheld. But you know, the I guess the steam deck is right. But you know, my switch to is like 500 bucks. I don't know how Nintendo is doing it. I mean, they're just eating it. But there's just not much RAM on there either. I think the steam machine's a little bit tricky. My feeling is it's a little DOA dead on arrival. Like it's just they got hit by the RAM prices. At $1,000, it's a nice machine. They've felt us really well at the software. Like they made a version of Linux. It's tolerable. And it's all pre configured. All the drivers aren't still home. Do you have a machine that just works and it plays your games? Everyone loves steam. So it's a good machine. But 1500's just asking a lot. Yeah. When you can go get a 3090. Whatever. Yeah. I like I like the look of it. I like that. It's a box. Looks nice. I found Duo for two grand though. So, you know, I guess there's three quarters of the price of a telephone. Oh my gosh. You know, you know, we bought our smart car for like $4,000, like a K, two out of two. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got my motorcycle for three grand. And it's brought me more joy than any computer in the last five years. Just go buy a motorcycle, everyone. It's a better investment with your money. Things that don't have screens. Yeah. Like, I mean, literally these cars have like a iPad program. No, they're huge. It's like crazy. Yeah. All right. I'm pretty tired. I think we're, we're ramling because I still I'm just now getting back still from the trip. And we did have a bunch of things written down. But yeah, I think we covered most of them to be honest with you. We got. Oh, it's all right. Yeah. I think we covered all the things I wanted to cover. We covered the opening event. We covered the new code 27 support iOS 27. I'm going to guess update this machine after this podcast just goes to prove if you ramble along enough, you'll cover every topic covered. I was going to do for this week's merch copy of people. So until next week, I'm James Montigno and I'm Frank Kruger. Thanks for watching and listening. Peace.