NEW UFO Files Drop, ITS COMING w/ Flat Earth Dave, Tony Merkel, Alex Stein

The Pentagon has released more UFO files on a Friday. So what's that all about? The headline for every single news outlet everywhere is literal nothing. They're just bringing up old stories. There's nothing to talk about. Everybody's bored. Congress has left. They've not done their job. The Fed has raised interest rates as a diesel shortage. Gas is through the roof. I think the Republicans have largely resigned to the fact they're going to lose the midterms. So they're running to try and minimize the damage. And they're releasing UFO files. I don't think it's a good distraction because they can release it on a Tuesday. But we are going to talk about it. And to do so, tonight, we have a preeminent conspiracy panel for all of you. And well, Alex, we'll start with you. Oh, sorry, guys. You got to get close to that microphone. I'm Prime Time, Alex. You know, on the King of the Conspiracy Castle, your favorite conspiracy asshole. I'm just honored and it's such a privilege to have a flatter Dave here to basically cosine all of my crazy conspiracies, because that guy's even crazier than me. So it's. I'm excited. And we got Ian. He freaking. Oh, this is, this is insane. It's going to be great. Ian's here too. I mean, come on. Let me pick it apart. You guys give me the numbers. And I'll see if they're real or not. I said, this was going to be like when we had the orthodox Christian versus Catholic debate, where it's to the, to the outside, you're wondering what they're even debating. It sounds so similar. So having all of these conspiracy leaders in one room, Dave, introduce stuff. I'm Dave known as flatter Dave. You can find all my content at flatter Dave.com and I know the earth is flat and I know it's not a globe. And I know there's lots of things that I don't know and algebra is not real algebra is not real. Well, I just said that and I agree with that, dude. I took out two and that's like main. That's the main. Okay. So it decides if you get into college, I think algebra is very real. I use it every day. But it's retarded. Still. Doesn't make it not retarded. Tony, what's up? Who are you? Tony Merkel. Confessionals podcast. I guess if I'm an expert of the in the supernatural, that's kind of my wheelhouse. Let's go. So the first thing I'll just say is algebra is very real and very important for. Come on, team development. They added letters to numbers. What are we doing here, dude? That's it. Well, made by a bunch. These are Islamic pedophiles. We don't believe in what they said. They have sex with nine year olds. So they can't do that. Alex, I need variables when I'm coding damage outputs and abilities and and and loop item drops. Listen, the equations all have to be with variables zero, zero, zero. Okay. Tim, let's act like there's a mathematician. I get it. Algebra can be used in, you know, some situations. I'll just say that. But it's still faking gay. What do you think about trigonometry? Gay. Calculus gay. Dude, you do all these like, you know, advanced level mathematics in college. You know, I took finance. I think you could argue that finance is somewhat beneficial. But listen, I'm not broke. I pay a decent amount of money in taxes. I've never whipped out my financial calculator. So it's like they teach us all these subjects to, it's more of a training method. It doesn't actually teach you like, you know, life skills. It just depends on whether you're smarter or not. That's how they judge it. They teach you slave math, which is like accounting and algebra, they don't never teach you about vortex mathematics or sacred geometry. That's the stuff that'll let you really figure that out. Well, they taught sacred geometry when I was in high school. Is that true? I was in high school for like two months, but yeah, Randall Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. Look it up. I think the Fibonacci sequence. Yes. Yes, too. Yeah. It's very weird. Of course they taught that. They showed us a bunch of nautilist shells all over the world. Little bit. Yeah. The Fibonacci sequence. Yeah, but you know what Tim likes? It gets gambling. Fibonacci sequence works. If you bet on something that's like 50/50, it's actually one of the best. It's one of the. Actually, I don't use it. Alex is joking, but it is true that gamblers do what's called a Fibonacci bet sequence, where you increase your bets based on Fibonacci numbers, which I think is. It does work because like when you're betting, even if it's a Fibonacci bet, you win like one and a half amount of bet total, but it gets pretty high, pretty fast. But this is in a gambling podcast. It is a mathematics. The story from CBS News, Pentagon releases more UFO files, including documents on secretive military program. One document describes the goals of the program and requirements for contractors. Quote, one aspect of the future threat environment involves advanced aerospace weapon system applications. The objective of this program is to understand the physics and engineering of these applications as they apply to the foreign threat out to the far term. E now, through the year 2050, primary focus on the breakthrough technologies and applications that create discontinuities in currently evolving technology trends. That sounds like they jammed a bunch of words into a sentence that explained nothing. But I suppose they're making space weapons because aliens are going to invade. You know, and I think Dave will be on my side with this. You know, I think it's Ronald Reagan and with those presidents beforehand that just explicitly, not covertly, not subliminally, talked about how the best method to create a one-world order would be to create an existential alien threat. And then that would bring all the nations together like America with Russia, America with Iran, you know, it would bring all the enemies and they would create allies. So when it comes to the idea of aliens, I think it's fake, I think it's gay, I think they're doing that on purpose to lie to us. If the government tells us something is true, I would agree, you know. Ten years ago. Listen to the opposite. Ten years ago, if you believed in aliens, you were a conspiracy nut job. Yeah. Now, if you don't believe in them, you're a conspiracy nut job. And that's funny. I was just normalizing it. Like, remember the drones that we had in the couple of years, last year, whatever. With the balloon. One of the big Chinese ones. Well, that one. No, the drones over Jersey. The drones over Jersey. We had one over our neighborhood. And now, the government goes, we don't know what they are, but they're not dangerous. Right? Yeah. Think about that. So now, like, if they do some fake alien event, you know, people are going to not freak out, which they want. They want people to just accept it to say, okay, of course, they're here. They're not threatening because they've been programmed. They've been mind-controlled. We're good about Project Bluebeam, where NASA has already released the documents explaining that they could make it look like Jesus was coming back. They could literally, through hologram technology, create the rapture. And I wouldn't be surprised that it did something crazy like that. And Tim, I don't know if we talked down in the podcast about the Chinese balloon. You brought that up? I might have been outside. I was talking about it. It was you. Yeah. So that balloon, that actual type of balloon, it's impossible for it to go from China to America. So whatever it was, it was impossible. Like, if you had a car that exploded after 250 miles, could you drive it from New York to California? Why would that balloon explode? Because the type of balloon it is, it cannot travel that distance without exploding. You know, you've seen a maiden road could explode. I don't know. We have a balloon expert that told you all about it. I don't know all the specs. But Dave, what about like, Sahara Duss? You know, they say that here in Austin, that, well, we're not in Austin. But you know what I mean? They were getting dush from this here. What about those Japanese balloons that they launched during World War II? True. And don't know about that. They launched balloons. And when the pressure would get too high and it was, so as it would drop the bombs, it would, no, it would drop a bag, a sand bag, which would make it fall. And then it would start slowly expanding, it would drop another bag, then it, once it got over the US, it would drop bombs. Yeah. That's genius. Yeah. So the balloons could do it. Yeah. But that type of balloon could not have made it on its own. But you said you don't have the specs? I don't, I don't have the specs. I heard the guy that his name was Dwayne Kellham. He explained how that balloon could not do it. He's like, you're just choosing to believe this guy. There you go. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. But it's true. That's the dangerous path. That is. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But at the same time, you know, it is weird these balloons and NASA is the biggest purveyor of helium. And then, you know, actually, you can look online of like videos of them launching satellites with balloons. So it's like, there is something weird. And I know you probably haven't looked into this yet. But they say that there's balloons, the size of football stadiums, like the size of the, you know, superhero or pinstates football stadium in the sky that can just hover forever. Balloons. Yeah, balloons. They say, yes. And I'm not even. Who's there? I mean, Dave, you explain. Who is Dave? Well, Project Moon, we talked about, I don't know the specific project. Yeah. Maybe. He's a big part of it. And Dave's Jewish. So he's allowed to be. And so are you. Yeah. Tell me more about Project Moon. Well, they launch NASA launches thousands of balloon satellites that can pick up to 8,000 pounds. And they launch a lot of them from Antarctica. And they're going all around. I know that a couple of years ago, they had one that stayed up for several years. They were there. They lost track of one. And they found it like three years later or something. But these are all airplanes. It's not a theory. We've, we've seen them. Yeah. This is the moon. When we're looking at the moon. This was a big, when they launched, it was a huge thing in the news because they were like, we could theoretically get cellular transmission through balloon. Yeah. Uh, balloon instead of, instead of requiring rocketry, you just launch a balloon and people get, get cell service in the desert. And they say the next SpaceX will be eventually launched through balloons. Literally, they're talking about that right now with the Tesla. You can use these power stations too. You attach a coil to the base of the balloon and it, the coil, metal coil, and the balloon as it goes up and down creates this tension on the coil that will produce electricity. Yep. Well, how, how does it produce electricity? You got that. Mostly like this. Let me see if I can get the exact function. It's great. It produces a lot of friction. You got it. You got to tighten your grip a little bit. Yeah. Just use these fingers. Wait. What, what are you talking about? Yeah. It's energy. A lot of potential. You'd attach it to like a base station and they just have a balloon bouncing up and down in the atmosphere, creating electricity and doing that. So there are big things, you know, in our stratosphere, what are you going to call it? But I think, you know, Dave, it can explain this better than me. it's like the idea that they're just, you know. Unidentified flying objects like they probably have identified them. I think you know if yours UFOs are not my question Is do are they making transparent balloons? Oh, look at those then that was translucent, but I like blue literally can't see when they're up that high You really can't see them in the sky you they there's not enough contrast. You don't see them But we saw what we we've we've seen them transit the moon over a full moon and then you can see it because there's some contrast But in the dark sky you don't see it and in the day sky they're very very difficult to see you know It's crazy about the moon if you actually look at like I think was it palisons flag what Muslim countries flag You can see the star through the moon right they have a whole bunch of a whole bunch of You know you got the the moon and then the star right here like how could the whose flag is that part of the moon? I know Tim will be like what are you guys talking about? What is it? It's like Afghanistan? There's a whole bunch of them Chinese like ancient Chinese or whatever Middle Eastern symbology where you can see stuff through the moon I see so they'd see like a crescent But in the dark spot. They'd see another lie. No, no, no, let's ask a question here. What does that mean that if that if you could see the star in the crescent area What does that mean it would indicate that there was something between you and the moon itself? That's what they'll tell you that's it like the Modern science. No, no, the star if you can see the star in the crescent area. What does that tell you? Stars are star. I mean if you saw something that looked like a star in that area we're looking up at the sky You mean it wouldn't indicate that it was a star or what if it what if it was proven to be a star? Oh, I'd love to see it. Well, whatever was there there are whatever was if you prove what would it? What would be us in the moon? Yeah, that would completely up in modern well Well, now that's that you're actually getting to the point. I was trying to trap you in because a lot of people a lot of them No, no, it's good. It's good. A lot of people say if you see the crescent moon and you see the star That means the moon's transparent and my answer is maybe the stars in front of the moon and people can't even Fathom that the star would be in front of the moon because the stars are so big. They're billions miles away None of that is true. Let me let me give you a quick example Are they let me give you a quick example? Well, I can't make any claims about the sky But we can see we can do observations you're driving down the road and the trees are on the side of the road are whiz and buy You're driving down the road trees are whiz and buy but the trees up on the mountain 10 miles away They're kind of move very very slowly parallax, right things closer to you appear to move faster with me Yeah, right So when we look up at the sky we see the sun move across the sky a lot of people think that's because the earth is spinning Well, the story is the stars rotate and the sun moves because of the spin of the earth They're not really moving. We're just spinning. That's what we're told so If we watch the stars in the sun The stars are moving faster than the sun The stars are creeping out if you're running around a track the stars are winning They're beating the sun. They're getting a little farther ahead every day. So how could something trillions of miles away Have an apparent motion that's faster than something very close because we're moving the same speed is the close object No, the relatively the earth are moving this relatively the same speed through the galaxy So it would be like if you and Alex were running full speed next to each other and a car drives by you're like How is the car going faster when we're both running? Well, it's because you're both running the same speed Yeah, so it looks like Alex now. I'm not even trying to debate for Dave But I mean listen you can Aberdeen sign smarter than all of us combined right would you agree? No, is he married his cousin? Guys a mathematician you ripped a lot of guys off but hold on like But he was saved a lot of boats and tell whether or not we are moving or the sun moon and stars are moving like he has a very famous quote Explaining that so I think there's a little bit of truth to that It's like we see these things moving rapidly. We see the sun, you know transgress the entire earth in 24 hours A day it didn't seem like we're moving 1100 miles around the sun. You know what I mean? So that's why like we're moving at 18 miles per second. It doesn't feel like that you can't it doesn't it feels more like 17 Everything but I think there is a movable and you know I'm more of a biblical cosmologist even more than Dave and I think that like the way they describe the firmament I think there is you know hell and heaven are closer. That's the secret hold on you you want to see the challenge your explosion No, it's because it hit the firmament. No. No Tim. That was fake. They've already now hit the firmament all the people in the challenger are still live I know Tim last tell him Dave to Dave tell them. Yeah, they've all been on all of the same name. What's it? What's it? What's the teacher's name? Christmas callie. Yeah, yeah, Judy, whatever yeah, Judy Rezdick is still teaching Type in the challenger people still live right now. People have confronted them and they they behave very strange They go running now the internet says none of them have been found alive Well, hold on there's a fact check from two days ago the internet is never wrong about anything this proves it Wait a minute. That would mean you guys are right at the same time. Yeah Regarding your argument about like it doesn't feel like we're moving Mm-hmm is like if you've been in a car where you start going eight miles an hour It feels like you're sitting still What about hold on hold on every motion that the earth is doing as a curved motion no straight lines So if you're in a car going 80 miles an hour and it takes a turn. Do you feel it does your coffee tilt depends on how much you turn But yeah, yeah, we're moving we're moving sideways. It's 60 miles an hour. That's just the spin All right, and that's what the slowest motion and I'd like that argument But what about if you're in a convertible and you you know put down the top so technically they pressure But aren't they describe us being in a convertible? And I think you guys look it's hitting the firmament That was the first time they ever actually tried to go to space and they realized the firmament was there and it tell The road conspiracy day. I'm talking conspiracy. It's we get Tim. This is this is this is what where where can I where can I 80s Tim? I mean like I have to you know, you know, whatever by the way the seventh guy has been found But like have you how how do you know like there's people that you know what you don't really bothers me with a Confront of them there Yeah, I'll tell you a funny story about Michael males. You want to hear a funny story about we love Michael But if it's so Mike when we were still at the castle studio Michael was on the show, and so he was in the green where she used to be in our basement and My brother came down the stairs and was walking past Michael and he went hey, what's up? My brother went up and walked right past him and Michael was like Did I make him angry? He thought my brother was me My brother and I do look alike we do sound alike, but we are distinct people and it's kind of so so my point is Michael who knows me very well confuse my brother for me It's like you can find a picture of a guy who looks like another guy like that. Prusa understood But the idea that the their perfect doppelganger is they have the same teeth. They have the same manner as they have the same voice Two of them claim to be identical twins if you go if you look at there's no record of them being born as twins And at their funerals none of their twins ever showed up at their funeral, which is weird so My question is is what's what's the reason for faking the challenge of the perfect perfect question and actually Dave probably you know Answered it seemed better than me, but that was right at the point of where the government was like debating on it Could they or should they continue to fund NASA and actually they they stopped funding it basically They almost ended the entire program so Dave you can probably explain this better than me But they explain how important that was in NASA's history. It's trauma-based mind control It's literally they had to kick the can down the road ever since I was a kid We're gonna have a hotel on the moon and that was a long just like 9/11 Everybody had a TV rolled into their classroom You know to see the second plane hit the tower just like to have a challenger, but they were all watching it before Wait, are you saying that that guy on the right is the same guy as a scobal? Yes, dig scoby And then this guy the Richardson's goby had a tree had a company called cow's and trees and they had an animated logo when you go to their website Which is a cow taking off like a rocket leaving a smoke trail making almost the same pattern as that sounds like he's just Being a dick. It sounds like it Discovered that it doesn't like if someone came to me and said you know the guy is the same name as a different the challenger who made a logo of like that was a cow Exploring in air. Look at his eyes. Look at this land of his eyes. I know he's an age, but come on That is a unique phase and those are come and they're the the ages match up the birth age of the of the Or there's a guy named Tim pool on Twitter who's like the same ages me too. Yeah, yeah This is having a doppelganger one doppelganger. Okay, I can buy it two. It's gonna look rough six It's it's off the charts. This guy's not even the same look at this guy said he's saying that he technically had a twin brother But they're showing his twin brother, which is even weirder That's yeah, yeah, no supposedly he had a twin brother. The guy on the right side is bald. The other guy's not that proves it That's good. There's two different people as I asked them. Oh, they're there is brother allegedly he has an identical twin brother Which got a gap in his teeth. Yeah, his identical twin brother did not go to his funeral, which is weird It's like I agree with you that this person's that person game. It's a tough game. Yeah, it's a tough game But the amount of evidence out on that like you check out Justin Harvey from we are change Orlando He's he's done some stuff. He goes to town council meeting. What does Tony have to say about all this? No, no Justice doing great, but do you have anything to say? What do you know? I've seen this for years now And that's one of the things that this was this story that we're talking about right now It's always one the ones that I just felt like I can't do the mental gymnastics around it all of it the fact that the names line up the looks line up Oh, it's lines up. I think I mean what are the odds that you would have that kind of case where it's not just one person or two people It's the whole crew. There's these double gangers with the why even use real people then I use their names So that's that's what that's the question But it was a sheet like we were we were we weren't even basically born in 86 when happened That's when I was born I want to take so we were like months old so our parents weren't like telling us about it But dude, this was a marketing scheme that we sure sure look if I was going to if I just be like let's call that guy Rick Smith and Janet Murphy Why give him their real name? - Okay, you understand that every astronaut was ex-military. They had to have some military background. Maybe now they've changed regulations, but in the past, if you wanted to be an astronaut, you had to have some sort of military background. So you have to look at NASA as a wing of our military. And I would think that you would agree. There's people that did stuff in Afghanistan, Iraq. - Look at this. - They're not proud of that they don't admit too. So we know that the military is allowed to lie about their past experiences. That's just, you know, a given. So the idea that they're lying about this is not impossible considering - Of course, of course, of course, of course, as I was explaining to Dave on the other show we recorded, I'm not so egotistically attached to information that I've read that I'm not open to the possibilities. Of course, they could fake all these things. My question is, you know, Occam's razor, what is the purpose of staging this and using their real names? - Right. - Yeah, if you're gonna stage it, just be like, give him a fake name at least and put some nose putty on or something, you know. - But that makes me feel like when you look at this then, is there something deeper going on? Is this some kind of ritual that they're putting the mess hivemind through? - Yep. - That they put the information right in for your face and make you deny what you're seeing. - It's called trauma-based mind control and I think Dave is gonna-- - Look at Werner von Braun, the way that NASA even started. - They're casting spells. - It was a Nazi. - Well, literally, it was a Nazi. - Like nothing's provable, but there's lots of people talk about the idea that they do black mass rituals before rocket launches. That's something that's been talked about for a long time. You look at Werner von Braun, where he came from. - Look at his tombstone. I just gotta say this, Psalm 19.1, the, you know, heaven's declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handy work. Like, literally, he was saying that. That's on his tombstone. He could choose one Bible verse and that's what he chose. And this is arguably the Godfather of NASA. So it seems like he was trying to give us something. - He's just trolling us, you know? - That's what they'll say, though, right? - He's trolling, yeah, he's just trolling us. - Well, it was von Braun's connection to the occult before. You were saying-- - He was a Nazi scientist. So the idea of the Nazis looking through the occult to game power and knowledge and understanding the Glocka, the UFO, the Glocka. - The Glocka Parsons, again, about the Nazi era. - The modern day propulsion rocket was a Satanist that, you know, hung out with Alistair Crowley. So like the whole origin is hung out with, what's the guy from Scientology, Dave? - Hubbard, Hubbard. - Elrond Hubbard, best friends with him. And that's Glock Parsons. That's where these rockets came out of the Glocka propulsion lab. And it's created by this guy, Glock Parsons, who was a known Satanist. - Yeah, I mean, his idol was Crowley. And Crowley was even annoyed by him. - I think, you know, it is, it is a thing that people will do is show you the truth and then make you not realize it's the truth, like to make it, then they can get you to believe anything. But also to get you, to get confused and to think that there's something there when there's not is also a tactic. Saying he looks like him is like-- - So what you're saying is that something would be going on then, at the very minimum, what it is we don't know, but you're saying at least there's a tactic happening. - And if they confuse you, your brain stops working. You can refuse. That's a big problem. And I don't know, or the third option is it's complete conflation of events. Like someone just decided one day to put an internet post up and then another guy's like, yeah, I like this theory. Let me make a post. - Did we start all this because I was making a joke about the challenger hitting the firmament? - Yes. - That's all, just already. Yeah, everything starts with you with a joke. And it gets very real to conspiracy theorists because once again, we talk about what is the motivation to do this. It's like they needed more, you know, organic support for NASA, after seeing this, and I think they got it. So, okay, is this correlate with like the idea that the earth is flat, that there can't be rocketry? - No, there is, there's clustered missiles. That's what we're seeing. Whenever they launch a real rocket, it's just that ICBM, and they designed it as a rocket with people on it. - Can they watch any rocket launch and go up? They curve over, and then it switches to a cartoon, and we don't see anything else. - Have you seen the Florida, yeah, from a minute? - Tim, have you seen the Florida rocket launches, like the-- - Watch tons of them. - Yeah, and you notice so that it does curve pretty soon. - Because it's entering orbit. I don't think some of them-- - You're not orbit works, right? - I understand. - By all means, you don't just say, no, no, no, explain to me how it's-- - I understand how the earth is-- - Arguing, to argue again to their seven. - We don't have a straight trajectory considering the spin of the earth. - Hold on, you say. - Enter orbit. You need to travel faster. - And we have to reach a certain level of velocity. - And if you actually measure it on your phone, they're not even close to terminal velocity. - You have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you need to escape velocity. And then-- - It's being, you know, different speeds. - Right, right. And then terminal velocity is immaterial when you're in the vacuum of space. - And if you, if you watch a rocket launch, Elon's rocket launcher, the shuttle rocket launches from years ago, the main tank is, they're already ejecting the side tanks. It's still in visual view, right? When you see a jet fighter fly by at Mach 2, it's so freaking fast. This thing's going 17,000 miles an hour, and we're just watching it. Lolligag up there. But airplanes also look like they're barely moving. - Yeah, but this, Elon wouldn't lie to me. - Yeah, there you go. - See, that's the thing, you know. And Tim is very big on Twitter, so Tim wants to say, be nice to Elon, but I feel like, you know-- - Elon, as listen, Alex, never, at any point, for any reason, has Elon Musk ever done anything wrong? - Yeah, okay, clip that, no. (laughing) - Elon Musk is a deadbeat dad. - And that's where anybody said him. - No, and that's, I think that's one of the, - Tim, you said you have to understand how old. - Tim's a great dad, you would never even-- - No, no, no, I'm saying, just argue what their claim is, don't ignore what the claim is. - You're a very wealthy young man. Would you ever abandon your baby for millions of dollars? - There's no amount of money. I would-- - Exactly right. - But-- - Alex, the thing, if the things I would do to you to protect my child, like-- - Exactly, you'd kill me, and I think that's definitely understandable. - All right, all right. - Everyone is not the same. - Richie McGinnis, we escalated this. I was like, I was like, if someone was holding a gun to your family and like, you had to do something, would you do this? Of course, and then I, we escalated and I was like, if aliens had a button that was gonna blow up the entire earth and wipe out all life on the planet, and they said, you know, we're gonna press this unless like, you know, to save your child, he was like, goodbye. - Exactly. - That's the whole earth. - That's a kid's super villain. I was thinking about life. - Oh, it isn't. - That's what a super villain does there. Like, I will destroy the planet to save my wife who's incarcerated in crystal, or they'll do the some weird thing to save one person. - Carcerated in crystal. - There's always some like illness, ailment that they have to-- - Talking about Mr. Freeze. - Yeah, and they wanna, they're willing to wipe out anything to preserve this one person, and it's like, that's just a super villain art. - I meant forever was a great movie there. I think it gets a lot of hate unnecessarily. - Well, because the actual cartoon version of Mr. Freeze, they were, so Mr. Freeze originally was a one-dimensional garbage villain, then the animated series made him a sad villain, where Mr. Freeze wasn't going, I'm going, he was going, I'm sorry, and shooting people. And then in the movie, they made him a one-dimensional villain who had a wife. - Yeah, but I liked Arnold and Batman forever. So I mean, I got, with Tony and Dave, with you guys here, I feel like we have two treasure chests, and I don't know how to get to the bottom of your chest. - Let's talk about orbits for a second. You talked about, you have to know how an orbit works, right? You know how an orbit works? - Yes. - So the, whatever it is, is falling, but it's moving forward at the same rate as the earth is curving, so it's falling around the earth. - Exactly, so it's perpetually falling. - So if I dropped something in the atmosphere, it'll speed up until it hits terminal velocity because of the air pressure, right? It'll speed up and they have air resistance and slow down. But there's a maximum force of gravity. - Yeah, but in a vacuum, things will just keep speeding up. - No. - Yeah, they will. - Yeah. - No, there's a gravity weakens over time. - No, no, at us, whatever height, if we were 50 miles above Earth and it was a vacuum, there was no air on Earth, right? And you dropped something, you would speed up until it hit the ground. - I told terminal velocity to the air. - There is no, there's no air. - Right, I'm saying. - Yeah, there's no air. - So a satellite in space, it's a geostationary satellite or whatever, is that a certain height and it's traveling a certain speed and it's free falling in a vacuum? How come it's not speeding up? - What if the thrust just includes a. - There's no thrust, it's flowing on its own. It's falling. - It's launched. - Right, so already going. - But you know what orbital decay is, right? - I understand, it's a theory. There's nothing orbiting the Earth. - There's not a globe. But in orbital decay. - You're just using words. - What that means is the objects are still falling without added energy to reverse the fact they are still falling. - They're falling even in a vacuum so they would be speeding up constantly. - And they are. And so what's happening is. - If they are, how do they. - Let me make the argument first. Let me make the argument for you guys. And instead of arguing nothing, let me give you the argument. - Please. - An object that is launched into space uses thrust to reach orbit. That is, it has to travel at a certain amount of speed so that it is moving forward as fast as it is falling so it keeps going around. - Orbit, how about you let me finish? - There's no argument. You guys are okay, let's just clarification. Orbit is less than a hundred miles away from Earth. I think people shouldn't do that. - So I'm just trying to clarify what I'm talking about. - Okay, so the point is, it is falling and without energy to reverse that fall, once you launch into the vacuum of space, it will continually move forward due to inertia but it will eventually start falling back down because gravity is still pulling on it. - So how long does the satellite free fall around the Earth? - So that's why satellites have to have, they use. - Allones. - Thrusters. They use air pressure release and they have to maintain orbit otherwise it's working. - How does the thruster work in a vacuum? - Would it mean different kinds of thrusters? You could have an ionic thrust, you could have propulsion. - So every, it thrusts off of a fundamental law of thermodynamics. - Yeah, but in a vacuum, there's nothing, there's no air. - So you don't need to because when you shoot a gun for instance, there's recoil. The air isn't making it. - The air, the gun, the recoil is pushing off of the gun. - Explosion itself is going in all directions. - And the only way out is that way. And so there, it's pushing off the gun. But if you hit a bullet in mid-air and there's nothing to push off, it's not gonna go into it. - How come when I go on my skateboard with my leaf blower and turn it on, it blows. before pushing against the air. Boats push off the water, airplanes push off the air, rockets push off of nothing. Well, it's creating an explosion. There's still some explosion. Explosion is nothing to push off of. We've done, we've got a vacuum chamber. We've gotten like a little, little mini projectile. It's trying to fly drones. And then, and you light it and it doesn't go anywhere, right? It doesn't go anywhere until that stream hits the wall and enough gas is in there just to make it move. Yeah, well, and we probably should do bigger tests, but I'm just saying there's also like vacuum, you know, whatever vacuum captured chambers, whatever the type of determines. Have you guys seen the inertial engine that Mythbusters built? Yeah, the idea was an internal inertial engine was impossible because it would defy the laws of physics. What they did was they made a box. And what it does is it, there's a weight in a box. And there's a piston that it will shoot the piston forward. And then the piston will, like so, how do I describe this? There's imagine a barbell. And it's loaded in the machine. It shoots forward. But then the end of the barbell hits the wall. It's on the argument was that the shooting of the piston would create equal and opposite energy. Then when it went forward and hit the front wall, no, no forward motion, no locomotion is possible. And the Mythbusters actually debunked this. It was amazing. An internal inertial engine that shoots a piston, which then stops it. And that impact caused it to move forward on a boat. So it was just shooting a piston and hitting its own wall. And the boats started moving forward. Yeah, that's how like a boat in the ocean near a wall. And when the waves come, eventually it will start rocking towards the wall. You might call it the chasmere effect. Another guy named, God, what's his name? He has this quantized inertia theory where he's called it unra radiation is actually, okay, it's a little complicated. But the explanation briefly is behind you, any given moment, there's a horizon far behind you. And the further forward you move, that horizon's following you. It's your perceptual horizon. So there's radiation pushing against you and past you. But the radiation that's hitting you is being blocked. So behind you now, there's a dampening in the radiative field. So this radiation in front of you is higher. The radiation behind you is lower. And you start to get rocked towards that low radiation area. You're being pushed back towards where you're coming from. And this is what he calls the conservation of inertia is why you don't, why that stars in the galaxy don't go flying off into space as they spin. Because they're being, they're being pushed back towards where they're coming from. It's an awesome theory. Mike McCulloch is his name. He's a brilliant scientist. Or the nationary. And actually, people like thousands of years ago were able to map them sun moon and stars before us before telescope. Why are all the stars? Why is there no parallax in stars? You go out tonight, take a picture of the stars and 10 years from now go out at the same time on the same night. And you take a picture and they're all the same position too far away. That means there means no parallax. How many miles are we traveling every year, never to return to where we were before? Do you know? The argument would be, and this is the argument. The distance of the stars is so great. There is parallax. But you can't see it. But it's right, just like at a distance, it looks like the plane's not moving at all. We're traveling five and a half trillion miles a year or something like that. And they're quadrillions of miles away. They're quadrillions of miles away. That's a bigger problem because you have an angular resolution limit of your eye and how big you can see something. If the the sun they tell us is 860,000 miles wide, right? So if we scale that down, we have a yoga ball as a sun, the earth is like a BB or a marble, right? So if we if we took the sun, the size that it is and brought it a mile over your head, it would fill the whole sky. Would you agree? That's like the marble is right under the yoga ball. The whole sky is the is the sun. So we move it 93 million miles away. Now the sun is how we see it. The size of a coin held at arm's length. With me, it shrank due to perspective. So if I doubled the distance, it would be a quarter of the size would be half the height and half the width. It's called the inverse square. It wouldn't it wouldn't have to. No, no, if I doubled the distance to the sun, it's not going to get smaller. It's not going to get any smaller. No, because like on the flat earth, when the sun goes to vanishing point, it doesn't shrink at all like you said. No, no, that that's a whole other topic. What's different? We can go there if you want. Well, so how is it that when the sun goes down, the sun doesn't shrink? Yeah. You said it doesn't have to. It does. But now for stars, they do and they will disappear. Well, it does and it's a perspective thing. It's a longer conversation. I'm happy to have it, but let me make this point, right? So if you double the distance to the sun, it's now the size of like a pencil eraser. So that's twice as far. Four times as far. It's going to get like a 64th of the size that we see it eight times as far. It's arguable if you can even see it. It would be small as a stone with me and yeah, sure. Okay, so eight times, eight times the distance, it's eight light minutes away, eight times eight sixty four. We'll call that a light hour. Let's just go 24 light hours away. There's no possible way you can see the sun, right? At 24 light hours, one light day away, right? They tell us Polaris that we can see with their naked eye that hasn't moved forever. The North star is 46 times bigger than the sun. So if we made Polaris 46 times the distance away, you couldn't see it 46 light days away. Round up two months. I suppose the argument would be you can because we do. No, no, but if we, well, that's silly because you can't see it physically, scientifically, provably, it is too small for get the. So here's the challenge. Forget the inverse square law light issue. The you couldn't see it and they tell us it's 403. So here's the challenge light years away. As we know it, there's a star. We are, we are told to believe that it is X amount of miles away and we can see it. You're saying you wouldn't be able to. Yeah, provably. So the issue. So the issue is modern understanding of science says no, there's a star and you can see it. In order to, it's, it's almost unfilesifiable. No, it's impossible. But no, because it's the evidence is it. You know what I'm saying? Like Michikaku. Yeah, Michikaku says that the the theories they have about space and everything are don't use a scientific method and they say in science, if you're off by a factor of two or a factor of 10, that's horrible. You're off by a factor of 10. That's horrible. You never let let let's have a biology is off by a control style factor of 10 to the 120th power. That number doesn't even exist. And that's Michikaku, who's yeah, that's they say there's so far off. It's 10 to 120th. I don't even believe that because that number doesn't exist. It's too big. You can exist. So if I had a grain of sand, if I had a grain of sand and made it 10 to the 97th, 10 to the 120th power bigger, it would be 10,000 times bigger than the alleged universe times 10 to the 97th. What's the size of the alleged universe? It's like 13 billion light. That's nothing. That's not a size. That's not it. How much do you think the earth weighs? Well, it depends on what the gravity is. You need a matter of gravity. Wait is a determination of the gravity of the body that you're measuring? Just saying if you picked up a pound of dirt and you try to extrapolate that for all the pounds of dirt on earth mathematically, you could never figure out how much the earth weighs. Wait, no, you're talking about the mass or the weight. They're different things. The weight you need and countermeasure to to have weight. We could never weigh it. But they will tell you what against the sun. Yeah, but the NASA's that the science will tell us the weight of the earth. You can tell me the mass of the earth, the weight against what the weight is. We had another earth to weigh it on. That's what they're telling us. Okay, you could do that. Yeah, but so that's the pseudo science. That's nonsense. Nobody. It's not science because you can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. It's unfalsifiable. So it's not science. That's my point about stars. How do you? How do you? There's a mathematical formula they present and you can't disprove them. So I've got a quarter, right. And we have a clear day. We're on the bus living soul fat. I'm going to go 100 miles away. I'm going to hold it. I understand the point you've made. My point is you can't compare a tragicillion atom solar body to a quarter. One that's emitting massive science is scalable. Science is scalable. You can't see something that far. And as light goes out, it spreads out and gets weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker. Tim, let me use this Shaquille Nile reference. And he said this famous on NBA tonight. He's a fly to earth. Shaquille Nile. Great to be a player. Play the LSU where I'm going to be at this weekend. My point is he said, when I go to my backyard in California, I can see the moon every day, every night. Yep. But when he's in his backyard, he cannot see Florida. Okay. What's closer? Florida, the moon. Florida. Of course. But in that way, that we can't see what? No, it's not. My argument is always going to be argue the actual science. Don't argue against something you made up. Actual science. There is no science of the sky. You cannot science the sky. There are no experiments done on the sky other than observations and assumptions. And to my point is instead of just saying because Florida's closer, I shouldn't be able to and I can't see it. I should see the moon. Take what the scientists have claimed and argue their claim. Not something you made up. The fact that science is claimed the radius of the earth that we can see far beyond that radius. You can scream refractionally. You want, but there's no experiment that shows something coming up behind a physical object. If you and I were playing hide and go seek and you're ducked behind a hill, what kind of weather system has to come in before you refract the ball in space. You can actually see behind solar bodies. Our social science. It's not science. You're making up stories. I think like. No, but hey, no, actually, Dave debunked this real good because Tim will love this because Tim's favorite his best friend is Ben Shapiro and Tim almost signed with a daily wire multi-million dollar contract. I can don't want to admit that. But he loves Ben Shapiro so much. Ben Shapiro says that we should have an integrated military with Israel because they created technology that can see over the horizon. Did you see that? Over the horizon. Yeah, they have uh, you know, was that that so there is your bureau they created technology be connected with uh, isros because they just created plane technology where their fighter jets can see over the horizon. I do. But we will do it. Let's tell them how world or should the bomb set though. So there's so many ways there's the I think it's it's real or the or um, you're someone some military has it's called the the Royal Samson radar and it could detect um a thousand base ball size objects moving at faster than the speed of sound at over 250 miles away. Well, 250 miles away, you can't see, but this radar that needs line of sight can track these things at that distance. So that's just like you saying um, whatever you said before that they develop the oh you said the develop the radar develop the um where they can see they go over the over the radar. The horizon is your whole I gotta say this is what I gotta say about these conspiracy curve. I don't hear it Tim. I say that when when we were talking with we had two discussions with the daily wire. One, we literally were at the daily wires office and I publicly said in the show we're talking with the daily wire about a deal. Yeah. And then I had another negotiation and I said yeah, we've been talking with the daily wire. It's not a secret. We just never did anything. I didn't see it. He said, Tim doesn't want to admit that he almost on the big country story. Of course, Tim's talking about that. We're trying to talk about it. It's a story that the daily wire already acquired part of this company and that I was doing a deal. I remember that. Not true and never have that. Yeah. I know. Okay. Well, I'm just represented. But now there's going to be a lot of people who only heard it for the first time. That's true. Okay. Let me clarify. And actually, Tim had nothing negative to say about the daily wire. It's already clips. Yeah. I've got two clips. And Alex Jones. And he's going to be like look, Alex, science called him out to his face. He's super as a gay Jew. But that's that neither. Either. Either. Either way, Judy Resnick was the first Jewish woman in space. Exactly. That's true. Two clarification suggestions, suggestions, light bending around objects in spaces called gravitational lensing. According to this quick search, it happens because massive objects warp the fabric of space time itself. We go deep into what that means. The second thing is the reason why fuel propellant works in space is because it's not pushing off of another object itself is gas being thrust out. So it's producing the reverse. When we do an experiment in a vacuum chamber, it doesn't work. So that's just a clean and we're going to be tested to clean. Look it up. There's like all these. Yeah. Rocket propellant. Yeah, like trying to make a drone work in a vacuum chamber, trying to make all kinds of things work in a vacuum chamber. But first of all, we really have to get into that because I know Tim doesn't want us to hijack this whole episode. But like, you know, when you were 12, to be fair, I don't want to just spend the whole episode talking about Flatter. I agree. I agree. And we got to talk about aliens and ghosts. I'm going to call Ben Shapiro. It says that rocket can't generate thrust in a total vacuum with no propellant. But the propellant itself is the matter it's pushing off. That's a claim that that's untestable. It is testable. And when we test it, it doesn't work. It's a claim that's been falsified. It's the test that's been falsified. How come when a fire extinguisher sprays it gets cold? Yeah, you need to, if you're going to say there are tests that they all do, you need to tell me what that does. It's spraying carbon dioxide that's being known. Don't tell me to high pressure. No pressure. No pressure. Really quick. To prove your state. What is it doing? It's a change in the pressure. This is a hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm putting you guys on the spot. How come when you spray a fire extinguisher, it gets cold? I mean, what is the chemical in the fire extinguisher? Carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide. Yeah, I mean, so why is it getting cold? Because it's expanding. It's going from high pressure to low pressure. I think that's it. But I'm not getting cold about that. Why does that make it cold? Low pressure. Low pressure is colder. It's colder. So they didn't get that cold there. It's because when you have like a liquid propellant, when a liquid propellant that would prefer to be in a gaseous state at our atmospheric pressure, when you spray, press it, it rapidly expands. I said. Gases contain more energy. So it absorbs atmospheric energy in order to go from a fluid state into a gaseous state. That is the energy around, which is the warm air. It sucks the heat out into its molecules to vibrate faster, creating a gas. That's why it feels colder because the energy is changing. Why does water boil in a vacuum chamber? Because it's most things boil or break down because they're trying to. They're trying to equal it. So why doesn't all of our oceans and atmosphere boil because we're in a vacuum? Atmospheric pressure. Okay. So pressure requires a container where you're pushing on the wall. So the air is the container. We already got Tim. We already got Tim. We already got Tim. No, we already got Tim. No. Can you bring me gas using magnetic. Dave, Dave. You can contain gas. Dave, we already. I can give you a bowl of gas. Tim. No, no. Yes. Without a container. I can bring you a bowl of gas, I said. A bowl? No, you can't. You can't out. That's container. I know. I didn't say no. I said I could bring you a bowl of gas. Believe it, we live in a pressurized system. Yes. Okay. We have atmospheric pressure. And what is the second theory or law of thermodynamics, Dave? The law of pressure is you need a definition of pressure is the walls of the container that the gas press. So here's a question for you guys. How come at higher altitudes the pressure is weaker? Exactly. Why doesn't leak out the pressure? I'll give you two. I'll give you two. I'll give you two. There's no pressure. We're told it leaks out the space. Nobody here, Alex, or you, or me, or anyone has any proof that that's true. That's not true. I took a handful of my gas and held it up real high. Drift it off into space. Thank God for that. Okay. Where did it go? So. I went to the moon, I guess. Magnetic confinement is how matter is contained in the Earth's atmosphere. First, it pressurizes. It turns into plasma, which at some point, the Earth was probably a ball of plasma, and then it slowly cools down. So therefore, the gases contained in our atmosphere, therefore, that must be true. So therefore, we're contained inside of an enclosure, like I believe. Did you ever put. What is it? Sodium, hexamosphate, or whatever? Sodium hexafluoride, which is. It's a fluoride. Yeah. That's cool. They bring it out into container. They pour it into a container. They put a top on that container. They float the boat on it. Yeah. If you took the top off, the whole thing will mix out and roll. Be gone within minutes. No, no, no. I've. Stay in there for a long time. Well, it's. It's. Because it's a gas, you can knock it out easily, but they put aluminum foil on top, and it floats. Yeah, floats for a while. But not for long. It will mix in. So you asked the question. Oh! Dense or gases? Holder. Dense or gases being. Going lower than less dense gases does not debunk flat earth for you. You don't have to argue that you can't contain sodium hexafluoride. No, no, no. But it does. But you believe that denser gases go down, right? Dense. Everything dense goes down. Okay, so. So if something weighed 500 tons, would it go down? Yes. The average cloud weighs 500 tons. Indeed. Now, why is it float on the air? Because you're saying a gigantic gaseous body, which is spread out massively into a large volume. Water vapor have more density than dry air. I believe the. I believe the S. Okay, so how does a cloud contain millions of gallons of water float in the air? Sometimes it falls down in rain. Okay, how does it flow in the rain? How does it flow in the rain? Hold on, hold on, hold on. What? Do you believe in the ozone layer? I believe in. Is a. Is a. I would say I have read about and have been told about the existence of ozone. All right, so but ozone is heavier than oxygen, so why isn't it on the ground? Because heavier doesn't. So. So let's slow down. A cloud is heavy in total mass, but volume is low. So a low volume object with great mass is still low density is going to go up. Yeah. Like a cruise ship in the ocean. So all of the moisture in the cloud, which is more dense than dry air, floats on dry air. It's. Okay, let's try this. A cruise ship, which weighs millions of tons, floats on water. How's that possible? Overall, density is less than the water it's displacing. Correct. So a giant cloud's overall density is less than the air it's displacing. Let's just take a piece of the cloud. We got a piece of the cloud this big and it's. You think cloud or. A flake or what? No, clouds aren't what they told. We're told, but they're more dense. No, but air. Electrostatics. Electrostatics. Electrostatics. Electrostatics. But you ask why it gets colder or less pressure as you go higher, right? Yeah. And the dynamic system. The heat comes from the ground. Not from the sun. The sun heats the ground, but that's where the heat is generated. As you go up, it gets colder because the air and the air gets thinner, colder, you get less pressure. Yeah. And then there's also a theory out there that people have been looking into that we live in this electric environment where there's all this energy here, provably, and that electricity in the air scatters the gases. Well, the higher up you go, the more energy there is. Every meter up is 100 volts, more. So as you. Just let's tap into it, right? Yeah. What would we tap? It happens all the time. But anyone has a drone, get some really thin wire and hang it from your drone and when it's hanging in the air, grab that wire, you'll get electrocuted. It's just from all the energy in the air. So as you go up, you have more and more electricity, you have colder temperatures, we live in a dynamic system. We can get a tank of gas and there'll be more pressure on the bottom than there is on the top in a enclosed tank. So pressure gradients do exist in containers. I've just never seen pressure without a container. You ever see they make clouds inside of buildings? We have that problem here actually sometimes because this building is 38 feet tall. The building we're in right now is the small building in the building, but the main metal structure is 38 feet tall and 75 by 100. And so we get moisture build up and you can actually see it start forming, not like a cloud. You see the lines of moisture start forming. You have your studio at 68 degrees, which I love, I'm saying outside the room, you can actually see the line of where it's like you're you're in a separated medium and the wall. water is up because it gets hotter. - It says that it's, I mean, I don't know the answer. This is the reason there's gas in Earth's atmosphere. Primarily, it's because of gravity. - Yeah, but we can do a simple experiment. What you get the vacuum of space is I'm able to pull the air up in a way, but I can point my straw down and with a tiny bit of low pressure difference of my mouth and lungs, I can pull air and water up and away from gravity effortlessly. Why can't the space vacuum do it? - Probably because of the acute pressure of your sucking relative to the amount of water that you're pulling is greater than the Earth's the vacuum of space. No, the vacuum of space, we can't even create that here. - Mathematically, like us trying to drink a straw compared to the expansive space, dude, they would have more pressure. - The air on Earth would go and we'd all be dead. Instantaneously. - It sounds like you're guessing. Like, oh, that's not guessing. Wait, he's pretty strong, especially near the core, near the surface. - Near the surface. So if I get a box of air and I got a box of air and I brought it into a room on the Earth that's a vacuum, so there's no air on the outside of it. I poked a hole on the top. Is the gravity gonna hold the air in there? - No, if you had a little ball inside that box, it was super gravitational. The air would stay inside the box. - What about the gravity? Forget the little ball. I got the whole Earth's gravity holding the air down. - If you had a box of gas and you took it into a vacuum and you poked a hole, all the gas would go into the vacuum. But if you had a box of gas with a circle in it, a sphere that was a magnetic gravitational dot and then you poked a hole, the gas would not escape into the vacuum. - Oh, that's a good point. Hold on, hold on. That is a horrible point, no offense. But if you're making up a story to defend your belief and it's something that's unfalse viable because you cannot do it. - Yeah, and electrostatics are fake. - No, we believe in electrostatics. - No, no, no, no, because Eings made the point that an electrically charged object would hold a gas to it in a vacuum. He said it's not true. - It's gravitational. This is what God's saying. - You can't bring me gas with gravity. You can't bring me water without a container with using just gravity. You can't do any of those things. These are claims that you guys make and none of them are provable and are falsifiable. - Well, what do you mean you can't bring water without. - You can't bring me a gallon of water without a container. - So what kind of bring you this clicker without a container? - Yes, it's a physical object. I'm talking about liquid. - Water's not physical. - What are you saying? - What are the liquids? - Shoot it with the hose. - Hold on, hold on, the point is, but I don't need a container. - Okay, Ian, Ian, please. I can put water in my hand and hand it to you. - That's container. - And so you need a container for a solid object is all the same. - No, no, there it is. - What's the difference between me cupping my hand to hold this in place and the water being held in place? - You're holding it with a container, but it doesn't need a container. - So how do I give it to you with no container? - You can toss it to me. - That would require me to hold the water. - I think physical throwing it to me and me catching it. - A physical object cannot interact with another physical object without a physical object. - I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about liquid water. Water always finds its level. Water at rest, at rest. Large bodies of water at rest always find level no matter how far you go. 70% of the earth is covered with ocean. 50% of the ocean is the abyssal plane, which is flat, but there's no curvature. Pilots have seen storms 1,000 miles away. You've seen lightning storms 1,000 miles away. That's 75 miles of curvature. - Do you have a pilot license? - Do you have a curvature? I do not. - You should get one. - Then they'll say crazy flat earth or crashes. - I was going to say you could go up and you could film and you could record all of the stuff. - I have plenty of planes and stuff, but when I fly into space. - Why don't you go to space? - Man, it looks flat out here. - Because space is fake. - Let me ask you a question. What if I have connections with the head of Warner Brothers or whatever studio it is that does Narnia and they're going to let you go into the closet in the Narnia, would you go? - Whoa. - Would you go? - Yeah. - You're being a child because you know Narnia's not real. - Well, you said it's a movie studio. Like if I'm going to let you go to the actual Narnia. - That's a different question. - Okay, that's okay. - If a movie studio said you want to come to the set of Narnia, I'd be like, "Oh, that sounds cool." And the analogy is that you do want to go to space. - I want it. - You're like a fucking gay. - No, no, hold on. So if someone came to you and said, "I can get you on a boat "and bring you to a garth up beyond the ice wall," you'd believe it? - No, I wouldn't believe it. - A garthus fake and gay too. - It might be. (laughing) - I just wanted to say, if I felt safe, I'd love to. - Can we talk about aliens or ghosts? - Yeah, but I wanted to just clarify what you're saying about the box in the vacuum. Because I don't want to misrepresent what you were saying. - Yes, yes. - You said if there was a box of gas and you took it into a vacuum and poked a hole in it, that the gas would escape. - Violately. - But if you had, then I added, if you had a ball in the center of the box and had a feyable gravity, unprovable claim. - Well, it's the metaphor of the earth. - Unprovable claim. - It within the box of the atoms. - But it's unprovable claim. So you can't use that. I'm sorry. - I mean, I'm offering a counter to your claim. - Well, the counter is something that you can't do. My offer is something that you can. - But also your metaphor doesn't explain Earth's atmosphere. - It's a difference. - No, it's an empty box. - No, no. - The atmosphere would be a box with a thing in it, which is the earth. - Yeah. - So I've got the air on the earth, the gravity of the earth should hold the air in the box, but it never does. - If there was an earth in the box, it would. - What difference does it make if the earth is in the box or below the box? - You need gravity to pull the gas into the box from within. - So it can only pull it from all directions. It can't pull it down. - Correct. Earth is pulling gas from every direction towards the center. - Okay. - That is a claim that you absolutely cannot prove and I disagree with it. - Well, no, but here's the thing. - Respectfully. - The argument about not being able to prove it, that's why I keep saying argue the claims made because the claim is, notice how everything falls? That's gravity. You're saying you can't prove it. It's like, what do you mean? And I can, gravity's there. - It's boring. - Remember what about a balloon? - What about a balloon? - So the issue is you're not disproving it saying, you can't prove it. You're saying, when I pick something up and drop it. - He's saying, he's making a claim about air staying in a box if you had a dense ball of gravity. That's something you can't prove. Now, we can prove that this goes down because of buoyancy and density. We can make things go up by putting a negative charge into them. We can make things go down. - How does buoyancy work without gravity? - It works with electrostatics. There's an electrostatic flow from the sky down, right? - So weight is a material? - It's a coherent flow of electricity from the positive sky to the neutral and negative ground. And if you only have a positive or a negative, the energy is erratic, but we have both. - Are you saying that heavier objects have more charge? - It depends. It depends. That little spinning thing is floating. It's floating on magnetics, I assume, right? - Yeah. - What's it doing? Is it defying electrostatics or defying gravity? - Neither. - What's it doing? - It's being pushed. It's being pushed up by magnetism. - So there's a series of magnets. - What's pulling it in a ring? - What's telling it to go down? If I make that magnet disappear? You say gravity, I say electrostatics. I can test my claim. You cannot test. - I think gravity is. - How do you test the electrostatics on that device? - Well, I can test the electrostatics. Everything has electrostatic charge. Everything. I don't have a tester. - But how does that prove movement towards the earth? - You can't prove that. - Yeah, we can. We can manipulate things by adding a higher positive charge that'll go up at a negative charge that go up at a positive charge that go down. - Is this documented? - Yeah, yeah. I have many videos. - What do I search for? - Well, on my app, if you go to the gravity section, there's a whole bunch of videos on it. It'll be tough for you to find. - But Tim, think about a balloon. How is that an anti-gravity machine? - What? - I'm saying a balloon. - I can't. - Why does it go up? - Why does it go up? (sighs) - Boincine density. - Boincine density. - Boincine density. - Boincine density. - Yeah, so gravity. I'm saying you're gonna argue, Boincine density. - Boincine density. - So the way that Boincine works is gravity. - Yeah, I got it. So everything's being pulled down. So the denser weight is compressing and the lighter things can't push it away. - That's your story. - Got it. - Right? - My say, the reason things go down is because of Boincine density being directed by electrostatic. - That's called electrostatic levitation. - Electrostatics. - That right there. - We have proofs. - That's another, the UFO on the desk is called electrostatic levitation. - It's great, so it's not the fine gravity. It's using electrostatics to go up. - Yeah. - Because electrostatic levitation. - My claim is, Boincine density use electrostatics as their base of electrostatic levitation. - Actually, that's part of your magnetic levitation. - And actually, that's probably my thing. - I think the same thing. - I don't know, Dave, do you ever talk about spiders? You know, spiders look like they're flying. - I wait a minute. - Alluding spiders. - This is NASA conspiracy stuff. You guys are with NASA. - No, I'm not. - Electrostatic experimentation. - I'm in NASA spaces, you see? - What do you mean, we're not in NASA. - But Tim, you guys are just spewing NASA propaganda. - Yeah. - You guys are controlled. - We are. - There you go. - Because we have to use our own verbiage. - But Tim, your claim is gravity, which is unprovable. And it has them in proven. It's never been isolated. And our claim is electrostatics. Which have been proven. Have been tested and you can do it yourself. We had weeping you on the show, NASA, X, NASA. - Yeah. - Talking about it. I mean, I think you look at Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism and you look at Newton's equations of gravity. It's the same equation. One that said that gravity is more of electrostatics. I think for sure. - Okay. - Makes a lot of sense. - So they're slowly transitioning to get people used to the electrostatics thing. So one day they can flip the switch and go, yeah, it's always been electrostatics. What's wrong with you? - But do you think they're getting out and they're trying to get out in front of it? - Do you think it's a magnetic field that is being evident at any time? - I know. I'm waiting for it. - Just to break the door down. - So what are ghosts? - No one's going to ask you anything. - Oh, it's fine. It's fine. - Tony, what are ghosts? - They're from the Nephilim, if the earth is flat. - How do we have ghosts? - I'll tell you exactly. - Okay, no, comes to the Nephilim. So what happened is that 30 of the angels, that's why 33 is a famous number with the occult, is because the 30 of the angels were cast out of heaven and these became, you know, earth walking angels. They had sex with human beings. They heard of the Nephilim, these giants. - That's related. - And the Nephilim, when they die, they can't go to heaven. So their demons, their spirits are actually stuck on this earth realm. And those are what we consider modern day demons. So there are people that were before us, whether you want to call them dinosaurs, or Nephilim, or giants, whatever, people can make different arguments for what they think that that was. But their spirits aren't able to go to heaven. So they're stuck here on earth to haunt us every day for the rest of the day. - Why do they do that? To guard us? Like do they have benevolent intentions? And then they just. - No, because they're like a demonic being. They're not pure like humans. So they can't get into heaven. - Well, it's the spirit that resided in the Nephilim. - Yes. - That is what they're identifying. So it's like the same reason that that demons can't get into heaven because they have it. Let me ask you a question. Um, so in, uh, you know, about, uh, we talked about this before with, um, the short season, Satan's little season, Satan's little season. Yeah, Satan's little season. So in 1776, France gave us a Statue of Liberty. That's the story, whether it was on that date or not, but it was, it was for 1776. And the, the story is that Satan, that the millennial reign of Christ for a thousand years happened already. Mm-hmm. And we're not waiting for it to happen. And so now we're in Satan's short season. Well, the season's a quarter of a, of a, of a great year, which is a thousand years. So it's 250 years, 1776 plus 250 years is what year is that Alex Stein? Hey, 2026, 2026. 2026. And now France just gave America another 50 foot something bronze statue of not, not of Lucifer this time, this time of Prometheus. And it's being built at the SpaceX property. And we know that right now, wow. I just want to point something out. It's CERN. They have apparently a, uh, uh, sheve. Yeah. Yeah. But she's got a destruction and transformation. Yeah. Do you understand? Cause they're destroying, you know, have you seen the rituals? And, and do you know how many of the, have you seen now? Have you seen the, have you seen the linked footage where they're doing a ritual outside of CERN? They're wearing robes yet. It looks like a fraternity, uh, you know, spanking fest. They're literally all wearing robes or doing a ceremony outside of CERN. Somebody was in a neighboring hotel in film this. And that person actually got like arrested or something for even exposing you. That's the story. I think it's a true story, but I can't prove it's true. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I want to believe it's true. But I don't have proof that it is. And I don't want to do, like, derail, but it's weird that they're using a Hindu religious thing at your scientific facts. So, so, so everyone knows about CERN, right? Do you know there was, there's a, um, a website that has all of the particle colliders on the world. Do you know how many there are? There's like 10,000 of them. There's a lot. Yeah. There's a lot. It's crazy. Yeah. But when they turn off CERN, things got weirder. I honestly, they should turn it back on. They turned it on. Everything chilled out. I know that's what I'm saying. They turned it off recently. They just went when they stopped using it. Everything got boring and everyone stopped caring about stuff. You can turn it into. We haven't had news. And this whole summer's potential riots. Please turn what's called Hadron. Give us some to talk about. They say they turn electrons into towels. And then the towels turn into hadrons. And then the hadrons basically are three quarks. You believe this brainwash guy? He believes I don't, I don't, I'm not an atomism guy. I'm not a, I don't believe in atomism. You can turn protons into electricity and you can turn electricity into protons matter. It's so crazy. So we're telling, you know, solar panels work, right? You know, solar panels work. Yeah. Because scientists don't know how they work. They have, they have an explanation for their explanation is that a photon take a billion years to come from the center of the sun, that is surface of the sun, then it took eight and a half minutes to get to earth and it crashes into the silicon cell and a nox and electron out and a boron molecule and an electron jumps in. And it keeps doing that. And it makes a current, right? The reason they can't, and that's just the theory. They don't really don't know how it works. The reason they can't figure it out is because they think the sun is a burning ball of gas 93 million miles away. When in fact, it's literally a transformer from another dimension. I, that's, that's, uh, well, they don't think it's a burning ball again. Well, they, they, I just, I fusion reaction. That's, I just shortened it up with burning ball. Um, what is the professor's name? Um, he's space, not me for a second. Um, it'll come to me. Bill. I, - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, - How was it? - But, right, right. So, the cat is converting it. - So, the electricity hits. They're half their stories, right? It does hit the silicon and it knocks the barn out. But it's not because of a photon hit it. It's because electricity was transmitted to it. The electricity's coming from the sky. I challenge anybody, get your drone, get a spool of really thin wire, take it off and what it's hanging in the air, grab it. I did it, I got electrocuted, the wire broke, I threw it all in the garbage and I'll never do it again. - The cat high up was it. - It was a, I don't know, 400 feet, maybe. - So, get up to 400 feet with the wire hanging down and then grab the wire? - Yeah, the high drone, right, I don't recommend. By the way, if anyone does that, I'm not taking any responsibility. - So, this is what's called the photoelectric effect. This is how they say solar panels work. And what it's happening is photons are a treasure. They carry pressure, they're not mass. They can hit things and make them change. So, like if a photon hits an atom, the electrons in the atom will bulge away from the core. And that's what they call the levels of the electrons are going up. And then they start to act different. They can interact with other things because they've been hit by a photon. They've been activated. So, the photons are hitting these panels and activating the electrons in the panel. And then the electrons are starting to move back and forth. - And you have to believe it, because we're wearing a copper fair date. - Yeah, but what is he doing? - That is not like a fair date. - Is that a fair date jacket? - Yes. - The real quick, like that. - How does a plant put your phone in the pocket? - The real quick, Ian, how does a simple plant turn the sunlight into energy, into food? I mean, do I think that's a-- - I haven't studied what's that called-- - photosynthesis. - Photosynthesis, but probably a photon is hitting the plant's matter. And when the matter's getting bombarded by photons, its electrons are going up levels. And then they're starting to do different chemical reactions. - It's magic. - Well, I think there is a supernatural aspect to our universe. I mean, I think we don't agree. - We can believe anything you want, but I'd rather not believe. I'd rather know. And if I don't know something, instead of believing it, I say I don't know. - You gotta go to the subatomics. This is what's so fascinating. There's bosons and fermions. There's charge carriers, which are like bosons, which are-- - What you're talking about, you're talking about-- - Sometimes we cannot even see with a microscope. - It's basically spinning force. - This stuff we cannot see with a microscope. - Well, then there's like electrons, which are our matter carriers. - I agree that it exists. - Works. - Electrons, they carry neutrinos, they carry matter. They're like actual things. But then there's all the other stuff. It's like pressure, and that's just pushing us. - Oh, I got an idea. - What? - Who's like, do you guys know who, like, the most hardcore, greater earth theorist is? - Great. - Go on, Hibler, maybe. - We gotta get a greater earth, hollow earth, flat earth debate going. - Well, I think there could be something in the hollow earth. - I know Dave's not in the hollow earth, very much, but I imagine a hollow earth guy being like, "No, you're completely wrong, flat, you're nuts, it's hollow." - Well, I think the way that it is. - You're all crazy, we live on a gigantic, a garthus beyond the earth ball. - Okay, let me just say this one thing. The deepest we can go is Mary on a stretch in the ocean that is less than eight miles deep, and then the deepest that we've ever dug on earth is eight miles deep to the Russian borehole. - No, no, no, Alex, if you dig about 12,700 and 42, that you'll be in China. - I gotta talk about hollow earth 'cause I think it might be real. 'Cause I think if this planet Thea hypothesis is real, I don't know if you guys have heard of it, but like they say three billion years ago in the earth was forming, there was another planetoid in orbit that smashed into earth, blew out the other side of it, turned it into a molten ball of fusive plasma or whatever the fuck was. And then the other thing slowly cooled down into what now we have as our moon, which is why it has a lot of earths material in it. But if that phase where earth was just molten, ripped open, it reformed and cooled down with all these hollow caverns within it, like how deep it could go throughout the entire, that proves it, planet. It's a wild theory, but. - There are weird things where they see, like, in mountains, it's like. - It's a cool theory. - Yeah, but it's not realistic. - I think there is like something hidden underground, you know, they say there's underground cities here in America that, like, you know. - So the deepest hole ever does, and we know about the oceans. - Yeah, sorry. - Well, that's what they tell us. They say that we know more about space than the earth's surface. - You're actually right about this Merry Honest Trench, only being like eight miles even. - Hey, I was exactly right about that. - So the deepest hole ever does is about eight miles. When they were drilling, they were using ground-patterating radar to see what they were gonna hit next. They're like, okay, no more rocks, they hit rocks. Okay, no more water, they hit water. They were wrong every step of the way. So if the earth was an apple, they drilled, like, a quarter of the way through the skin of the apple. They were wrong every step of the way, but somehow they know the next 4,000 miles to the core. - Do you know the story about how in the U.S. and Russia teamed up to drill the core of borehole? - And is that what you're talking about? - Yeah. - And that they found down there. - Wailing, do you ever hear it? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'll pull it up. I don't want it to be needed to tell. - I don't want it to be needed to tell. - It's human food and health. - It's crazy. - If there are souls that make it to heaven, which I think is in the sun, and then there's souls that fall to hell, which is in the earth's core, bro. You're probably listening to the screams of the men. - I think I don't know about or aligned. I think like the heaven. - No, I don't know. - The heavens are closer to the moon and the sun. Like there are some sort of the only way that the heaven is through the sun. - I think so. - I think that's why I just need to see the sun. - They're like, I see a light. I see a light. - I'm moving towards the central note, and then that'll send them to the black-dick core, if they make it to the next level. - You know why the sun looks like it's right there above the clouds? 'Cause it's right there above the clouds. I need some proof. - I need some evidence. - I'm saying the sound is a hoax. - Okay, that, of course, they say that. - Yeah, of course. - That's what they say. - That's what they say in the hoax. - Yeah, 9/11. - I don't know. When I hear things, that one freaked me out. - I don't know if you guys ever do this, but I don't know. - You heard the one something, you're afraid he's river. The water's receding, which is prophetic. And then they say that with the waters receding, they started wandering down the places that was not accessible with recorders. And the sounds that they had coming up sounded like chains, mones, groans, coming out from underneath these. - And I think it goes back to like the, we look at the pyramids. Those were definitely like energy balls. So I don't know what they were power plants, but the idea that they were just created by like idiots, that's the biggest lie. - Right. - We're good about flat earth or whatever that our ancestors were dumber than us. They were smarter than us. And that's like one thing they'll tell us, oh, they were so dumb, they didn't know what air conditioning was. Yeah, they built like aqueducts and grease and kept them cool without any modern technology. So they're smarter than us, but I think that's a big lie. - Right, we want to think that we're at the tip of technology, the tip of civilization. We're literally in the closing credits of idioocracy. to think they're I think that it's the courts crystal king chamber that court - Yeah, in Mexico, it's a Mexico, right? - Yeah, it's in the great pyramid in Egypt. - Okay, oh yeah. - At least one King's chamber that we know of. - We can harvest in it. - I think it vibrates, causing PA's electric force 'cause it's connected to the waterway underneath. - Whatever, buddy. - It's causing other King's chambers to vibrate nearby, which will cause halogen lights to turn on. - Yeah, there's smoke and burn marks in the pyramids. - There's crazy sensors. - And that's how there's part of the pyramids we can't even go to. - And in the Egyptian world that buildings, where you can still see the electricity coming off the spires on these old buildings. - So my question about the pits to hell, you were talking about Tony, is like, at one time I was really stoned at my house and my sink was really like, bacteria ridden, I hadn't cleaned it in months. And water was dripping into my sink and it started playing music, like notes, dude. - I remember you told me about this, but I have a video of it on Facebook somewhere. And it literally, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip. - That's my favorite song. - Yeah, that's how people live here and have changed it better in the smoke to tell. - It was bacteria singing to me or something. It sounded like a living organism was affecting the water as it dripped past, causing it to drip in a certain pattern. And it was producing a certain sound. Like it was singing to me or something it sounded like. And I wonder if these wind tunnels coming from the pits of hell that you're talking about, the moans and stuff is literally like earth communicating with us. Or it's just pure wind being bent through tunnels. - Yeah, I mean, I think you can look at it, try looking at it in a natural sense for sure. And what kind of sounds does the earth make? You know, barring flat earth and global and all that stuff. I mean, if the earth is moving at all, what kind of sounds is that make and what kind of sounds will that translate to audio recording. But when you come, for me, I come from a very, many would say extreme supernatural worldview. I believe that there is a hell, I believe that, you know, scripture talks about angels being chained underneath the Euphrates River and then you have these recordings. Unless they're fake and they very well could be fake recordings. And that just throws everything out the water. - What about, I got one for you. How come when I offered to fly Alex Stein, that doctor here refused to do it? - Who's that tellin' Dave? I was good to land on that ice. I don't wanna land it. - Oh, convene. - And Dave got invited too. - The whole trip was designed for me to go. It was designed to take me down. Whatever happened there, I don't know. They're, you know, I offered to pay for Alex. He wants me to do it again. - Yeah, I got it. And it wasn't going to prove. - Let's see if they did see the 24-hour Shawn. - They saw something, that's what they claim. And there are models. We have models that show how there could be a 24-hour son there. Now listen, you can see that model is a little, okay, that's a little out there. But if you look at the Helio-centric model, the globe model of a hydrogen and helium ball existing in a space vacuum, remaining a perfect orbit ignoring the three-body problem, violating every natural law that there is, that's a crazy theory. So if you wanna use the object of the lightness guy moving to prove the shape of the earth, first you have to prove that the earth is curved, you have to prove that the earth is spinning, and you have to prove that the helio- - I don't trust the guy. - You can be in a space vacuum. - When he claims to believe something, but he won't go. - No, that doesn't prove it. I gave you the test. - Why would Alex. - Because it wouldn't prove anything. And who wants to go there? It's, it doesn't prove anything. I used to say it's something, but I was wrong. - It's not a reason for him. - I'm so mad at me about that, I should have gone. But there are some weird things or some anomalies on both sides of it. I know there's people who I should say, oh, Flat Earth is so retarded, but there's just so many examples where we can see too far that if we're applying the earth's curve, which eight inches per mile squared, it doesn't conscribe to that model. So that's where people like Dave and, you know. - Every test for earth movement has failed and proven the opposite. - What does it mean? - There is some truth to it. Maybe Dave and I are totally wrong. But at the exact same time, we know that NASA is not 100% right. Like there's somewhere. - We know NASA's lying. There's so much evidence. If you look at Artemis on my website, flatertiv.com, there's a video called, how did they fit in there about the Artemis? Five minute video, NASA's finished. All you have to watch. And we even brought it to the question to the head of NASA. And his answer proved that they're lying about everything. - We've got Mark Kelly's about to be president of the United States, I say. - I don't even know who that is. - The Congressman from Arizona, the fake astronaut. - Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, it's a twin brother. - Get the hell out of here. - Yeah, they're saying-- - I'm going to Mexico, it's gonna be a nominee for the presidential or he's gonna be in the primary. - That proves that the entire thing is faking gay. Maybe Mexico might be where they build a space elevator, have you studied that thing? - Yeah, that makes no sense. - I don't understand the whole-- - Space elevator, you're spinning on a ball and it's so long that it's a centrifugal force or a sensor pedal force that will hold itself up. - Well, this doesn't make sense, gravity would pull the cable down. - No, the cable will away. - If I had a rock on a string, how fast is it like a foot long? I'd have to spin around pretty fast for that rock to go out here. - I understand that, but that's not the way they explain gravity and orbit. That makes no sense. If the space elevator would have to be in geostationary orbit, this means that the weight of the cable will be pulling down in the station and it will need upward thrust permanently. - Whatever is up there has to have more mass and it has to be at a place where it's pulling, it's being pulled, it pulls the whole thing up. - But that's all possible. - But here's the gravity. Gravity works the-- - We're on the same team. It's faking gay, it's unprovable. It's not anything-- - Explain this to me. How would geostationary orbital structure carry the weight of a multi-trillion-ton cable? - I think your buoyant tons-- - Well, I'm just saying an exorbitantly large, like a cable-- - It's a big number. - A cable that can sustain an elevator has to be particularly thick. And it is going from the ground up to space without falling. - It's a mine-- - The rockets can't even carry that weight. - Rockets don't even carry the weight they claim to carry. They're filled with helium. Check out my balloon rocket section. - That's what I'm talking about. - Well, but outside of the flight of the argument, if we operate under the same math of a rocket ship that Elon uses, it does not-- They have to use multi-stages to get a rocket orbit because the-- - It's a fake. - I understand that, but please-- - Please. - I'm trying to ask you in a question, how could a modern rocket based on their explanation carry a cable that could float without gravity pulling the whole thing down? - It have to-- I don't know. How would they build it as your question? - No, no, I'm saying based on what they tell us in mainstream science about how rockets work. Please don't say anything. A rocket struggles against its own weight to carry its own solid fuel to get into orbit. How would it be able to maintain a space elevator cable that could carry something without falling down itself? Gravity does not work like a ball in a string you swing around. - To build a rigid structure. - Gravity works by consistently pulling it down to Earth. - Build a rigid structure. - That's not possible, either. - I agree. - I agree. - Could use a magnetic wave guide instead of an actual physical piece of matter as the tether. You could have very thin feathery tethers, like hair sized graphene tethers that are trillions of them that aren't necessarily heavyweight cells. - How will that carry a human cargo-laden structure? - That's what buoyancy. I think you'll use buoyancy to get the elevator up most of the way, like a balloon. And then you'll fire on like ion-threadable. - The cable itself will weigh more than the Burj Khalifa. - I don't need to say anything. You're fighting my argument for me. - I think it's the same arrow gel graphene tether. It will still be heavy. It certainly will be heavy. And that's the biggest drawback. They haven't been able to find the tether materials, but lately they found a breakthrough I think a month ago with what they think might be the right material. It's a potential. I mean, rocketry's expensive. - Yeah, but I mean, it seems like it'd be better to just put on a balloon. And if they did do something like that, it's a balloon. - The balloon only gets it up so far and then the atmosphere turns out. But a big enough balloon. - Have you ever tied a yarn to a balloon? - A what? - Yes. - Piece of yarn, stuff like that. - Get a balloon, right? Let the balloon go, what happens? It shoots straight up, it's gone. Eventually, you can't even see it anymore. Tie a piece of yarn to it. And let it go, and what happens? It will reach the point at which the yarn lifted from the ground begins to weigh too much for the buoyancy and the balloon will stop where it is. - You mean a whole spool of yarn? - Yes. - Like it's up to a certain height. - Yeah, sure. - Because the weight of the yarn is increasing as, so how would you get a space elevator cable into orbit? - Let's take a quick vote, it's impossible. - 1,000 tons. - Impossible. Why are we talking about it? - But this is the question. It would, based on the modern estimates, it would be 1,500 tons. - So you could do it. - I'm sorry. The commercial concept, Obayashi, to carry payloads would be 7,000 tons. How would 7,000 tons float? - Well it would hang, it wouldn't float, but you could add one to it from the platform in space. - Okay, now let's pause. The way orbit works, there's orbital decay. You have to continually apply outward thrust to counteract the gravity pulling it down towards. - That's the range point. So it would be up to a platform in geosensory, and then there would be another tether It goes further out to what's called the Lagrange point, where you have another large massive body that holds everything. This would mean the entire weight, 7,000 tons, is additionally pulling the whole thing down to earth. Yeah, it's been counterbalanced by the giant massive object at that point. And what's keeping that in space? Plus the 7,000 ton. The sun is pulling on the Lagrange point. You know what Lagrange point is? Between the sides of the earth. There's a point where the earth's gravity and the sun's gravity are neutral and you park something there. Right. Cool story, bro. That's so ridiculously far away. That's beyond the moon. It's so dumb. And the earth. So you can't vortexing. It's never the same distance. It's popping an anchor in the ocean. Like, it's far away. But we still don't figure out how to do it. It looks great. Yeah. It's a ridiculous concept. I don't know. I don't think so. I have no problem saying space elevator is a stupid idea. All right. It isn't proof of flat earth or argue flat earth. It's just space elevator. I think it's a great idea. I just don't think it's like mechanically sound to start building tomorrow. If the space elevator was viable, Elon be building that instead. No. You got to build on the moon first. What? We've already done the man. We know the moon landing was fake because they would have already marketed it and put a Nike sign or Coca-Cola sign on it. That's just the fact. Because we can see it from everywhere else. If they really could go there. would make astronauts or whatever's Chinese. - So they had a camera on the moon filming the earth spinning, showing the eclipses and everything. I tune into that thing 24/7. - It'd be like the number on channel on TV. - Apparently they wanna make super laminate graphene space tethers for these elevators. There's gonna be more than one of them, by the way. - There's gonna be zero of them. - There's a lot of elevators. - Zero. - Zero. - We're definitely, what we gotta build on the moon first. - The only thing that I like to go on is Katie Perry. - Why do you think that space is real? - No, you think that just it's like all projection? - I think that we have a firmament and the stars are in the firmament. I think that we're seeing things inside the firmament, like the sun and the moon are in an apparent position. Get one of those glass half domes and then hold the light above it and look in the dome, you will see a little sun floating in there from the light that you're holding above it. So maybe the real sun is in the actual firmament, above the firmament, from our point of view, and then you can see it being projected in. - Okay, but Ian, real quick. - I was gonna let this point out. - What we're seeing is a projection-- - Of something else. - Is the projector screen? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But that doesn't mean there's nothing beyond. - No, there could be. - There could be. - That's where the real source is. - That makes a lot of sense. - Yeah, it does. - I have lots of videos on it. You gotta check it out. Oh, that's super cool. I never thought about that. - No, but the atmosphere is a projector screen. - Yeah, going back to what I said earlier, like we think our ancestors were dumber than us. Without a telescope, they're able to map the sun moon and stars before us. So the idea that there are trillions of miles away, it just kind of seems laughable when they're able to make constellation patterns. When they didn't even have modern technology, so I would argue that I think they kind of proves that they're closer than they say, and not trillions of miles away. How are they able to do it back then with no modern telescope? They're able to figure out sad. - I think they're making a lot of mistakes with distance in space because they use what's called redshift to explain that things are speeding up and getting in the way faster. - And you know how they figured out how the moon, or should be the sun is 93 million miles away, through the transgression of Venus. Is that all? - Transit of Venus. - Yeah, the transit of Venus is 44,000 miles away. So they think the sun's double as far away as that. - Hold on, the way they did it is they had two people watched the transit of Venus. One on the east coast, one on the west coast. And it started at two different times. And since Venus is about the same size as Earth, they figured out the distances and the distance of the sun. Here's the problem with that equation. Who told them Venus was the same size as Earth? 'Cause that's a made-up variable. So if you had a million dollars in the bank and I doubled it tomorrow and I doubled that the next day, you'd have four million dollars, right? You never had a million dollars in the bank. So you don't have four million dollars. You'd have an equation that's nonsense based on false information, which might be true. And then when, in addition to that, the red shift, which is how they're like, it's 100 trillion miles away and it looks like it's getting further. I think that red shift is when the wavelength seems to be getting longer and which indicates that it's getting further away faster. But what's really happening is you're seeing a wavelength, which is a very short wavelength like this, from a different angle. Because it's curving around, the universe is curving around on itself in its torus. And it's gonna, like a helix, like an infinity sign. It's gonna bust crunch back through that center point and explode out again. So it looks like it's expanding, but it's really turning. But it's gonna be getting a lot closer than it seems. - Are you ever worried about the sun not rising in the morning? - No. - I am. Could you imagine what that would be like? - Would it be hell on Earth? - But I just, you don't worry about that? - No, that doesn't mean you think it's gonna happen. - Because I think like what you're like, I'm also worried about zombie apocalypse. - I think God created the Earth. I think you created the machinations of it. And we try to like, you know, give a scientific reason to it. You know, we use the, whatever science nonsense you wanna use. But I think it's just obvious from our perspective, the sun and the moon look the same size to us. I know they change, you know, during the time of the year and the pattern and time of the day. But my point is, I think that the sun and the moon are like the year and the year. And I think that's pretty obvious. Like if you just looked at it, same reason where we get energy from the sun. We get a similar energy from the moon. And I mean, we can prove that. - Did you see my interview with 102-year-old Ruth? So I was interviewing this woman about the world's fair. 102 years old, she's very, mine was very with it. And I asked her at the end of the interview, I said, "What did they teach you in school about the Earth?" And she said, "In public school in Hamden, Connecticut, she was taught in the 19, late 1920s that the Earth was flat in public school." So the whole thing, Aratosthenes, figured it out 2000 years ago is non-standard. - Six in shadows. - Yeah, six in shadows. The guy that figured out the radius of the Earth, no one ever wrote a book about him until the 1950s. He was never written up. The guy that figured it out, for 2000 years, nobody figured it out. - Well, why would they, when did this change? And why did they change it? - Well, they changed it when the Rockefellers took over the education system, which was in 1902 or 1901, somewhere around there. And they slowly changed it. They were teaching flat Earth up until the early 1960s, right? And then they switched it. And then the moon landing, you know, like, you know, the moon landing, it's like, don't look at Antarctica. We're going to the moon. And don't look over there because after Project Hyjump, where they discovered more land beyond the South Pole, bigger than America that no one has ever seen. - Well, you could just-- - That's a problem for the globe. - Why don't you fly to a Gartha? - No, you should look at General Admiral Bird. - How? Do I have an airship? - You could get a plane. - No, but more fuel out there. - But Dave, you can fuel up in Chile and then you can fly to a Gartha. - Not far too far. - You can fly for 12 hours on a single plane. - Yeah, but how long do you get back? - You don't. - Okay. - So crazy flat Earth, who killed himself long. (laughing) - Dave, talk about General Admiral Bird, who talked about he was the first person, first general to explore Antarctica. And he said in Antarctica, Tim, he said this, that there was tropical climates, that there was parts of Antarctica that had beaches. And that's what he said. - Yeah, tropical growth and everything. - And he said there's more resources there than all of America has combined, including Alaska and everything. So I mean-- - Oh, why they shut down the flat Earth thing? 'Cause it makes people think that there's more Earth to explore this. - That's part of the motivations. - Well, that's part of it. - It doesn't discount that the Earth might also be a sphere. They just don't want people thinking about extra-- - I mean, that's kind of where I'm at. I think there is probably something rounder universe with the idea that it's just like the spinning ball holding water. It's just impossible. - Right. - I don't think it's impossible. - Well, how does a ball hold water? - Revenue. (laughing) - But a balloon, a simple balloon can just-- - Yeah, why don't you just-- - So hold on, hold on, it's like a tennis ball. - Well, you talk about dust. We have Sahara dust in Texas. - Ian. - Why do you think dust sticks to a tennis ball? - That's static electricity. - Yeah, it is. Ian gravity is-- - No, gravity's not static electricity. - The form of electricity. - Electro-static. Well, you're getting close there. - I'm very close. - But if water is attracted to gravity, that means that the ocean must curve. - Correct. - Well, it doesn't curve. - It does not curve. - It doesn't curve. - If water is attracted to gravity, it would all be attracted to the center of the Earth. - Yeah, it is curved. - So it would be if the Earth was a globe, but it's not. We measured it. - We measured it. - We literally look across a pair of Michigan, where Tim's from in Chicago. You can see the whole entire skyline of downtown Chicago. - We used to do that actually. We go to the dunes in Indiana, and you can see Chicago on the other side. - Right, and here's the problem though. The bunkers will say, well, I can't see the bottom of the building. Well, you can't see the bottom of the building for several reasons because of the angle that you're seeing it, the marine layer, waves, all sorts of things, but that doesn't matter. The top of the tallest building should be hundreds of people of the curve, and we can see the whole city. - Let's say you're in that room, and I'm in here, and I shine a light on the door crack, but you can't see me, and I can't see you. You can see where I'm hitting the door crack with my flashlight. You can see the refraction of the light bending around the piece of matter. So that's why you can see across the lake. - No. - It's the exact same phenomenon. - No, it's not. You're shining a light on something that I can see. That there's nothing in between me and Chicago. That's why I can see. - You guys ever see a pinhole projection on accident? - Yeah. - They're really crazy. There's like a video where a guy goes in his garage, and there's a projector screen of the outside on his floor, and he's like, this is crazy. It's because a hole was punched, and it created a projection screen. - Yeah, pretty cool. - That's like that, where they say the moon is a projection, like that, are people who believe the moon is a reflection of the earth? - The atmosphere is actually a projector screen. You poke one hole, and then the hole, you can see the hole outside, projected in a room from one hole. So people don't understand is that the sky is actually, it's a canopy with a thousand holes punched in it. - Yeah, we're trying to be funny, but real quick, let's say something about the moon. A lot of people don't realize this. People think that women have a tendency with them. - But people think women have their periods once a month, they actually don't. They have it at 13 times a year, and it's once every 28 days. And that's arguably what the original calendar was. It was 13 months of 28 days, 'cause that's the exact moon cycle. So we've kind of adulterated the whole entire calendar, but if we actually went by the moon calendar, we would have a perfect system where there would be 13 months, all 28 days, and everything would work easier. But then-- - 13 months, 28 days plus one day to reset the year that's 365. What do you think the idea that the moon is responsible for delivering and removing souls from Earth? - I've never heard that. - Yeah, to look into that, I find it very interesting. And it's-- - If you move that soul, - If the moon is responsible for delivering. - If the moon is responsible for delivering souls, the transition of us coming from the heavens to have this physical experience here on Earth. I have no proof, it's a theory. A lot of people talk about it. - Yeah, but Ian, do you believe that we have souls? - Yeah, but I don't think we each of us have one. I think that all of the spirits in nature will embody you and leave you a different time. - Right, you have spirits in and out all the time, but you have a main soul. - I think we do. - And when you're sleeping in your main soul leaves and journeys, you can't wake up until it comes back. - And you can't remember what it knows. - Sometimes you can't. If you get good at it, you have to practice. But it's very difficult. - If memory is like a magnetic formation of neurons, then I would think that spirit, which is like a magnetic fluctuation of some sort would be affecting memory. And like the spirits might be able to like turn certain memories on in you. But so that's about where I'm at with you. - Well, I think the importance is to remember that we're not a thumb, we're not a finger, we're not a thigh, like there is a soul inside of us, and then when we die, you know, I think so, but I don't know about you, Alex. - Yeah, maybe not, I'm a soulist, no. But I will say this, a lot of what we're talking about guys, you know, David's not a scientist. not a scientist in so far the sink from it even though it's a graphene king. My point is this, it's like, I think Dave, I don't want to speak for you, but like the motivation that we have when I talk about these subjects is just look and do it on your own. Like during the pandemic, they said don't do it on your own research. I think Dave would just encourage people to just look into these videos. Here's the thing. If you look into it, Google, chat, GPT, Clyde, all these things, Claude are going to feed you what they want you to see. You have to really take the time and do the research. I've taken the time. I've organized everything. I've put it on my website. I have the crash course. I have the frequently asked questions. I have my Flat Earth clock app, right? You don't even have to get the app, but if you want to support me, get the app, right? But just check out the crash course. I challenge, here's my challenge. It's, I recommend that you get the app and then try to prove me wrong. Come up with a globe proof. I offer three bitcoins for one globe proof, three bitcoins for one globe proof, but before you send it to me, you have to check the frequently asked questions page. Right? Because your stupid question and your stupid proof is already debunked in there most of the time. However, to make this legal, because some of the globe is freaking out, you're offering a thing, but you have to buy your app. You don't have to buy my app. Go, you have to go to the, to the crash course on my website, watch the first five videos. Are you pressing specific proofs? Yeah. A scientific proof that the Earth is spinning ball in a space vacuum. Are you saying there are three, three, three proofs to prove? Are you saying no one proof? One proof. No, you said one proof, three bitcoins. Three bitcoins. One proof. And is the proof a specific claim you want proven or are you saying I want a proof that we are a globe spinning in a space vacuum. So what would satisfy that, a scientific proof, you, nothing will satisfy it, because we're not. Well, if we were to show the motion around the sun, you can prove there were orbiting the sun. Then that would be proof. How do you prove that? Tim, he will say this and I think Dave got in a little bit. You can't prove it because it's not true. It's not much trouble, but people will say, oh, we can see the moon and we can see the stars. And so they try to prove the shape of the Earth by looking in the sky. That doesn't necessarily prove the shape of the Earth by looking up like it doesn't. It doesn't. I agree with Dave. If I came to your house to put carpeting in, I measured the lights in your ceiling before I cut the carpet, would you kick me out one more time? That's all right. I was pulling up a thing on. That's all right. I'm just saying, if you look, if I'm measuring the lights in your ceiling to figure out how to cut the carpet for your floor, I don't think that would be so smart. If you want to measure the floor, measure the floor, you want to look over the sky and speculate, feel free, but you can't science the sky. Um, uh, man, well, say it. I don't think there's any problem in measuring the roof unless you're wasting time. If you can do it super fast, I don't care what you measure while you're in there. I don't get the job done. Hey, Tony, do you think, I'm kind of interested in what you think about like what souls are and how that works. Yeah. I think Jeremiah one five, I believe it's one five says that God knew us before we were in our mother's womb. So I think that God installed that into our bodies before we even were created. He knew us. We were in existence with him. And he brought this into a body when we were born. Well, real quick. I like that he brought up above us. I want to bring up Joshua, chapter 10, verse 12. On the day the Lord gave the Emirates over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel, son, stand still over Gibion, and you moon over the valley of Agilon. So the sun stood still and the moon stopped till the nation avenged itself on its enemies as it is written in the book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. So I'm saying, according to biblical cosmology, the sun is moving and that God was able to stop the transit of the sun. So you know, if we go back to the Bible, I think it kind of proves more to what David is saying. We call that proof because that's just a book that some guy said a thing. Well, I think there's a lot of choice in the Bible, but whatever that can be up for a debate. But I'm just saying, the way that the Bible describes the earth is that the sun and moon are on a trajectory and that it could have potentially stopped. If we're flying 1100 miles spinning and then going 666 miles around the sun, none of that makes sense. Hey, and I'm with you. If you don't believe in the Bible, that's useless. But also like, why are you moving right and left right now, Alex? What do you mean? Justin Wright, oh, no, I'm the one that's moving, but it just looks like you're moving. That's why how the sun and the moon are. It's kinematics. They're all moving. You can't tell. So if you can't tell whether it's the sun moving or the earth moving, well, then it doesn't prove either why are we talking about it? You got to get outside of both of them and look from a distance, which is why we do with satellites. Well, there are no satellites. You know, it's funny. The cosmic microwave background. Yeah. You know, I know you like science. You can actually look at the cosmic microwave background. They took a picture of the universe allegedly. This is what NASA tells us. And in their own picture, Earth was the center of the universe. Yeah. And when the Artemis looks back at the Earth, we have the full Earth, right? And we don't see a single satellite. There's supposed he tens of thousands of satellites up there. We never see satellites from space. Are you sure? Yeah. Have an app where I can view. No, you can view. You can. Hold on. You can. You can view. You can view a simulation of where the satellites are, but they never you never see them from space. It's like the hero, HammerWab, HammerWari, HammerWari, dude, that's literally a, uh, the transit of a satellite. And they just look at the modern day weather, uh, you know, patterns and just plan it over there. It's just like a simulation. It's an actual. So a lot of people use the HammerWari, um, it takes a picture of the Earth every 15 minutes, right? And it, and you look at it and it's supposedly accurate with the cloud data. Well, the HammerWari, when the by the time the picture hits the internet, it's already 10 or 15 minutes old. So how could you take a model of the Earth, a model, um, accurate, uh, of all of the clouds and put them over the Earth and create a fake Earth and the answer is, of course you can. But we got access. We found somebody, somebody leaked out access to NASA FTP server that didn't have a password on it. And in it was tens of thousands of files of dated folders of HammerWari pictures. And in one of them, we found the blue marble fake, you know, ball, um, the weather data and exactly how they built it. We caught them red handed on how they fake these images. Now how do we get all that weather data? You guys didn't know this, but nine, there's nine hundred and fifty some odd balloons, weather balloons that are released worldwide every day, every 12 hours at the exact same time. All spread out across the Earth. So they go up and they're doing bear metric pressure, wind speeds, everything. It just collects all data. It all goes to essential computer. And that's how they figure out flight routes. That's how they figure out weather patterns. That's how they figure out everything. So that's how they get all that data. They wrap it around. They say we got a satellite in space. They can pictures every 15 minutes. Well, you know, the moon is hollow because the ring like a bell, cool story, bro. No, because there's a production studio in there. And that's where the director watches. Oh, that's the true. That's true. Ed Harris. Hey, you know what? That's more true than the moon being a rock in space. So that's one thing where I will get, you know, hyphae about the idea that the moon is just some dusty rock. It's not true. I mean, the fact that they say that it's a mirror and that it reflects the sun's light. It has its own light. And you can actually look up these tests if you guys don't believe me. But if you're in the sunlight and you go stand in the shade, the temperature is going to be less when you're in the shade. That's the opposite with moon light when you're in the moon light. It's actually warmer. Excuse me. It's actually colder than you're in the moon shade. So it's just, yeah, it's colder where it's colder when you're in the moon light. It's not moonlight. It's your colder than if you went in the shade. Now, there's a hundred ways to do that, that test and correctly. Some people will get cardboard and block the moonlight, but now you're insulating the ground. So that's a, that's a false positive. In their argument, Tim, is that you have to do it with, there's a vertical wall and the moon light moon is here. And then there's a sheet of cold light. Yeah. Actually, the moonlight is cold. Now, the, the globe debunkers, the flat earth debunkers came out and were just going, there's no such thing as cold light. And then Cody's action lab, a flat, not a, a globe science guy literally came out that week with the cold laser. He showed, he showed that you have a laser that can freeze it, freeze things. What? Yeah, cold laser. Look it up. So this is saying it's, it's warmer because out in the open, the heat escapes well, that's nothing. What's the guy's name? It's called the Cody's action lab. You're just saying the tree blocks the heat from the, right, from the thermal. Yeah, but, but they, the people have done it, um, Ken Wheeler did it where there was a, there was a brick wall and the, the moon's over here. So there's moonlight hitting the cement here and there's moonlight not hitting the cement here. Right. So there's nothing insulating the ground. It's the same. Hey, everyone. So you may have seen in a previous video. I couldn't find cold lasers. All right. He has fire that freezes that's what I was thinking about how electricity feels cold. Yeah. Or it can, you know, it's really well if you flow helium through it, then you can actually cool the atoms down while the electrons stay hot so you have hot electrons, but cold atoms. And so that makes it so you can actually touch the fire. So you're able to actually touch the fire and it doesn't feel hot and it doesn't burn you at all. But in that video in the comments section, a lot of people were asking me, what was the temperature of the fire if I measured it? And all I could say is that it kind of felt cool to the touch because I was flowing helium through it. And then it dawned on me. I could actually make this fire any arbitrary temperature that I wanted depending on my gas temperature. So then I set out to do the impossible. I wanted to make a fire that actually freezes things instead of burns things. So let me show you my setup of how I'm going to achieve this. So instead of regular room temperature helium, I'm going to be cooling down. Get a drop of water on the end here. Fire that freezing, huh? That proves it. Well, I think it just. it wonks a lot of modern day. That's frozen. Yeah, they call it chemiluminescence, which is very light produced by chemical reaction without significant heat. But then there's also St. Elmo's fire. It's an electrical phenomenon where a bluish glow appears around pointed objects during storms because of ionized air. Looks like flame, but it's not hot. Then there's foam gel fire spressants. I don't know what this guy's doing. Then there's fiction sorcery. So cold fire. Again, these are all very, very interesting things, but moon landing is fake. Whenever with Artemis was fake, earth is flat, earth does not move. And check it out. Don't believe me. It'll free your mind. What difference does it make? I still have to go to work on Monday. That's what people say, right? It changes everything once you understand where you don't live. The problem is with the state of mind is like, you've got to give people something to live for. And if they think there's nothing, like what's the point of even living? No, it's the opposite. It's the opposite. No, but let me answer this because it's the opposite of that actually. And so the whole reason why they lie about the origins of the earth and tell us the theory of evolution is they want to hide the existence of God. They want to make you think that this is your only level in life. And that when you die, it's just like before you're born, there's nothing. But that's just the farthesting from the truth. We know that we have spiritual people way before. I said, obviously, there's some sort of supernatural aspects of the earth. So that is the motivation. It's like creating science as a new religion. That is a new Christianity. That's a new Islam. So that's why they're able to make this lie and that they can hide the existence of God. We know, I think everybody in the room believes you can fly in an airplane, right? Does that mean that the air you can fly in the air? Yes. But I think airplanes aren't lying. They say they have a swimming pool worth of fuel on the wings. So OK, we all agree we can fly in the air. How far up until that just disappears all of a sudden? And there's nothing like 45,000 feet. How have you ever proved that? Well, there's planes that have flown that on. There's special planes. I think the ceiling is lower than they're telling us. But we're looking into that with some pilots and stuff. I don't think that I personally don't think that planes can go over 70,000 feet. Well, what happened? They just hit a wall. No, from the air gets too thin and too cold. And then there's no more left. Can a rocket slam into a firmament? Yeah, possibly. I don't think any of those Elon Musk rockets crashed into firmament. Many flat earthers show there's one where it looked like it's scraping along the firmament and then it exploded and it was gone, right? I think that was just a helium filled rocket and it exploded. Whether it was done on purpose or to give us a ua. But if it was scraping the firmament, we wouldn't be able to see it with our naked eyes. It's too far away. Forget about that. Forget about the firmament argument, which is, I mean, I think it's fair. But when you watch a video, Tim, of the thing landing on reverse cowgirl just on his butt, a rocket ship, that's so fake. Those videos are the fakest AI garbage I've ever seen. And Elon's able to just make a rocket reverse on his butt onto a remote island, dude. It's just nonsense. Like you've watched his videos. What do you think about it? Do you think there's a real? I haven't never really considered the fact that they weren't real. It's done. Because I mean, you're talking about, you know. They have no wings. They're able to just, you know, they're coming down like this. And all of a sudden, they land on a raft, upright, bullseye, out 800 miles in the ocean, and it's a drone raft. So there's no people there. And just before it lands, the camera goes dead. It always lands there. And then it comes back on after it lands, right? I don't know if you know anything about the ocean. It's rarely come out there. I mean, even when it's taken off, it comes down. It's fucking at this point. There's people that have kayaked, like sailboats across the ocean across the world, though. Even with modern technology. But those, the rocket always lands on this raft by itself and the camera always goes down. But guys, we know that they have serious warfare technology happening in the straight of her moves, right? And I ran, supposedly trying to bomb American ships. They can only get it to a certain coordinates. They can't like bomb directly on it. Even with the technology that they tell us that they have today. So it's like, there is a little more to it. It's not that easy to just make a bomb or drone go into the ocean randomly and just land on this point. This is a problem. If there is a degree of, you know, what's the word I'm trying to think of a-- Room for error? Yes, there's a degree for a room for error. This is a problem. A problem with the theory of no space is that if there is space, and China or Russia is building weapons that they can shoot straight down at us and we're da-da-da, it's fake, it's fake, it's fake. We will lose and die. No, they have those weapons, but they're on balloons. They're on balloons. If you really just completely-- The same thing as a weather, there's a weather technology. Why do they need to go to space? Why do they need to go like 70,000 feet and shoot it that way? Well, because if the further way it is, the harder it is to detect. OK. So if you give up and you're like, there's nothing out there and we don't have to worry about anything. We couldn't detect Chinese balloons until they got over Minneapolis, Minnesota. So I'm saying these things aren't as easy as you think to detect. Right, they tell us these are all stories. And they're not attacking us. This is-- the theater-- war is real, but it's the theater of war. It's all planned. It's all organized. So what do you think space force is-- Space force is cyber space force, that's it. It's not real. No one goes to space ever. No one's ever on those rockets. That's a dangerous-- I know it is, because if they do in their enemies there, you're in a lot of trouble. I got it. That's being-- you're afraid of that. I understand the fear, but if it's not true, when you understand that these rockets cannot carry people, there's not people on them. On my app, I have a section called balloon rockets. Watch those videos, and then you'll see how fake the space shuttle was, how fake these rockets are. Elon does this one rocket launch, where the rocket goes up and up, and then it just-- it turns on its side, and it's falling and falling and falling. But we got a side view of the rocket from the ground. And then when it switches to the onboard camera, all of a sudden it's way above the-- it's like up in the atmosphere. And then the side view, it's really low. And then the engines turn on. It magically turns upright. It's coming down. Two of the three engines turn off, and it lands perfectly. It's the dumbest thing ever. If you saw that in a B movie, you'd go up to the ticket boat booth and say, I want my money back. Here's-- I think there's a lot of fake propaganda, media propaganda, since the '60s, about media. We're talking-- -Like the movie line month. -Yeah, Michael Collins, he's actually fake training pictures, and said that they were actually-- -A lot of fake propaganda to establish-- Hey, we're the best at space. We're the best. This is all our fake-- they'll put out fake things. They'll say, this is real, but it's fake. That doesn't mean that there's no space, and there's never been space. -No, I think you're misinterpreting what Dave is saying. And then, you know, Dave and I are 100% agreed on this. But there is like a space, but it's a firmman. It's like a space above the waters, above the earth. There is obviously an expanse of the universe, but it's not like what you think. Just stars, shrines, and miles away. Everything is much closer. -It's claimed the firmman. What is it? In, like, one sense or two senses. -It would be-- it would be like-- -People working between the upper oceans and the lower-- -The Bible describes it as a crystal-like substance. It could be frozen oxygen. I don't know what it is. It could be an impenetrable frozen structure. It could be-- -What? -Ask the chickens in our chicken coop. What their-- what their coop is made of. -We're not chickens in a chicken coop. -We are chickens in a chicken coop. -We're rats and-- -We're rats. -Wait, wait, wait. If you go to a lesser form of life that is enclosed in a space and ask it to describe the material that keeps it enclosed, it'll say, "Bock, Bock, Bock." -Yeah, but we're the alpha predator. We have-- we're at least able to-- -We are nowhere in the sky. -We're talking about project fishbowl. -What? -Project fishbowl. In the 1950s, they shot large bombs up to the sky to figure out what the firmman was way made of and to find out how reflective it was. And there's videos of these bombs exploding and hitting something and spreading out. -Oh, David. -Project-- look it up. -Project-- is it fishbowl? -That's right. -But Dave, this will trigger Tim. -Project dominant. -Opiration fishbowl. -Opiration fishbowl. -Opiration fishbowl. -High altitude nuclear weapons tests. -No, they said nuclear weapons. I'd just think it was big bombs. -But Tim and I, I mean-- -This will trigger Tim. -We were nuking up the sky. -Obidae. -Obidae. You know what they tell us about these nuclear bombs is nonsense. Like, of course, they have huge bombs. But the idea that, like, Einstein was able to secretly split the atom during the Manhattan Project and that's what bombed Pearl Harbor. Oh, excuse me, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's just fake, dude. Like, what they tell us about nuclear weapons is-- -I think so. You can split apart. You can turn neutrons into protons. -And that doesn't-- -You've done a bomb. I've never done it personally. -Yeah, I'm never by. -What a neutron can turn into a proton. -Did you tell me that you read the book? -This is the reason, though. They want to use the threat of nuclear warfare just like for the reason that we started this war with Iran. And everybody's struggling. These little prices are the highest they've ever been. Gas prices are double paying lower, you know, less than two years ago. Because they said, oh, well, they have weapons of mass destruction. Of course, Iran has weapons. But they have ballistic missiles that can-- the farther it goes, 2000 miles. Even if they had a nuclear bomb, even if they had reactors operating at 100%, they don't have a delivery method that can make a bomb go from Tehran, Iran, to New York City. So it's just like all nonsense. And they use that as a fear tactic. -And he would describe it as trauma-based mind control. -And, you know, Netanyahu for the last 20-some-odd years is gone. There are two weeks away. There are two months away. There are a month away. There are days away from having-- And every year, he just kept changing it to-- to now. Now he says there are two months away or whatever. From having it. And that's been going on for 20 years. How many times are they going to say the same thing? How many times are we going to fall for it? -And you don't think they could buy a bomb from Russia? You don't think Russia would sell them a nuclear weapon? -But Alex, what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? -Well, you can actually look that there's fire bombs. And actually, like two days before the attacks, there's actually, like, less bombs going off around Japan. And then all of a sudden, in a concentrated area, there was all the-- it was just fire bombs. And you can look at images-- there's churches. Totally fine. Three days later, the trains were open, the sandwich shops were open. The flower shops were open. -Right hour. -And nobody was allowed to take a picture, or write an article, or they went to jail. Only one guy for the Associated Press or whatever the organization was, was allowed to report to the pictures. -And now the Japanese yen are so dependent on American dollars that they would fail without. So it's just funny how you know we fake nuke them and then all of a sudden their whole entire economy depends on our currency We conquered them. Yeah, we conquered them after World War 2 We got the Japanese Empire and still occupies satellite. Yeah, I don't disagree with Germany What I'm saying is so if we occupy them They're gonna say we're the victims of this nuclear bomb and it wasn't a nuclear holocaust It's just what they tell us about nuclear bombs. Yes, we have huge bombs I know this is gonna trigger people we have the Moab and the faux ab which is the father of all bombs But these are like 2000 pound bombs or whatever 10 ton bombs. However, they describe it's not the same as the idea that a nuclear bomb goes off And then there's like a 10-mile radius where our skins are melting and you know everything's falling down That's not what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki footage though It's funny. You talk about that footage You're talking about the famous footage and Joe Rogan is viral for saying that in one of the clips There's a car and then the second as soon as the bomb goes off the cars missing Those are obviously a diorama done in some sort of studio and how those were public released test footage not Hiroshima and Nagasaki Yeah, I understand but there's there's there's issues of that those film flubs in that footage So yeah, actually you know it's funny. We talk about the nuclear bombs. You can actually go to downtown Las Vegas I feel like the bar still in business or just recently went to business It was called like the bombs shelter and you and back in like the 60s You could watch bombs go off in the nuclear you know the nuclear bombs go off from the desert from downtown Las Vegas So if they were that dangerous, why would they be blowing a bombs and eyesight of Las Vegas, Nevada a lot of more underground So they were safer No, the dangers of doing I think they understood the dangers of radiation. They've done that for a long time They figured it out in the 1900s. I wanted to say this before I had forgotten Pilots have there's video through the pilots when they show the video something to show you on your screen the video What's in front of the plane from I believe it was Dubai they could see the Himalayas over 2800 miles away Right at just a thousand miles away. There's like 80 miles of curvature Right, but at 2800 miles away. There's a thousands of miles of curvature But they can see they can see these mountains. You can see the outline of the mountains. So And you can do something doesn't occur records breaking photos There's people that break these records every year is video. Yeah, the long distance photographs are not even flat earth There's just taking pictures Yeah, I don't even realize what they're taking pictures of and you can't say we fraction for a thousand miles of curvature You can Know you write an upper tall enough you can you can say whatever you want. Yeah, light will bend around surfaces Yeah, so we'll we'll a shadow bend around a surface Shadows not a real thing all right, so boy. Okay, come on now shadows aren't real. We can oh If if the if the Sun was below the curve and I had a mountain blocking the Silhouetting half of the Sun could that Sun we fracked up and show the outline of the mountain right? Yeah, you might see sunlight around the edges of the mountain even if the Sun is behind the mountain Well, you got the mountain cut you know cutting a little jigsaw out of the out of the Sun And so that Sun is a mile below miles below the curvature and it could be fracked up into sky to still look like it hasn't set and Have the mountain silhouetting it. Yeah, you can yeah Because it's getting caught in the atmosphere and then being projected back at us. All right, come on. Come on You're just lying eyes. You're just making stuff up to support your position We're gonna tell me that you can't do it or were you asking me if you I was asking you if you think you're doing it and do it You believe that you can all right light light bends around surfaces. Yeah, can you show me an example of that without We are flying the earth. Yeah, I'll show you right now. I'll show you with my Like when we can see the whole skyline of Chicago cross-like mission You know it's bright enough because it's kind of bright in here. I don't know if it's bright enough Can you see my my phone at all point this is much retarded my phone at an example? Yeah, my phone at all now and you tell that there's light Coming around. No, no, can you see light really? No, you can a little bit. No, but we can't see the light I mean, Carter didn't the lights. Yeah, that doesn't even matter I know what you're doing put your finger halfway in front of the light and tell me if you can see or if I can see your finger So you're hooded. Let me try this experiment first. Can you see that there's a flashlight behind this even though you can't see it a little bit That's what's happening with the horizon, but that's light the bleeding. That's not an image going on Yeah, okay, and just completely debunked everything you guys believe you're a tire But I will say this you know what you know what you're gonna have they're gonna write an article being like flashlight experiment in podcast debunks flat earth Yeah, they will They will Yeah, I honestly they probably will this is him my most viral watch and you really debunked He came to lead to get's news my most my most viral Facebook post happened yesterday. I was coming in. I took a picture of the Washington Monument and the capital building And then I tweeted it. I said landing it just landed in DC about to have dinner with the Donald and talk about flat earth Super viral and I feel really bad because 80% of the people believed it Well, I can't pull this up. Did you see the picture of Donald with all this hooded or many and people wait what oh the red? Yes, right to say it was yesterday. What was that? Nordics having Donald Trump or many in a priest or something look at their way. It's on real pics. Yes. That's a real picture X yeah, just a video of it - yeah Thought at the White House. No, those are real Carter And so he's like six four and they were like at least six seven inches on the hoods on it was so bizarre Did they have hoods? I thought it was just white hair that they I saw the white hair ones. I saw the black hoods on them X is down Well, there are like Armenian Catholics or something. I don't know. I mean, you know, it's it's just Are you talking about the one where he was outside meeting with those the people in the red things These are people they were just like black almost like priests like robes It won't let me search for it. They had hoods on oh my it was a hundred percent real here Let me find it right now Don't yeah, search isn't working. That's wild. Let me find it. It was so bizarre. Do you think Trump is the anti-Christive? Yeah, I don't even know if it's the same Trump anymore at this point. I don't know I can't make any claims you have no idea you just I I don't know what the anti who the anti-Christ is or if it is I don't even know if it's the same Donald anymore I don't know I don't follow any politics. I can't take it you don't think he's I mean this is one thing Tim And this is actually relative what we're talking about you look at the Texas Senate race right now and everybody's you know predicting Telleriko's somehow gonna win right and they're getting mad at Trump for not putting in enough You know of his Trump pack to make Kinpaks and win, but if you actually look into the funding Telleriko's biggest financial supporter when he ran for the house in Texas was Miriam Adelson look at Donald Trump's Biggest supporter is Miriam Adelson. Oh, here we go. What was this what you're talking about? Yeah, there's people. Yeah, look what is what? I don't know. Okay. That's a little weird these guys in black robes. What are you talking about people? I don't know but do that's a little bizarre Armenian clergy. Oh, Tim. If you had your beanie on Trump again out of here and they got black robes. It's not true I met Trump wearing my beanie. Okay, I'm probably wrong. My point is you don't think that picture's a little bizarre and and I would say the Donald Trump Well, the real quick. I would say the gold trim all over the way as is bizarre Well, you saw he got canceled by New York Times because they found some super glue and then he was usually using he was allegedly using the super glue to glue that stuff on the wall You didn't see that story Tim. No, yeah, they got mad at him because they found super glue on his desk, but I'm just saying he's cooked man Trump's cooked dude, and I love the Republicans up abandoned everything the interest rates are going up again His honor. I've debated his honor a lot and dude This is a guy that has gone against every campaign promise that he made and that doesn't mean that it's not true Well, okay, I love what he did with January six. I like USAID. I okay. There's some good things I border border But other than those two things, well, I mean, there's like there's like a handful of principal promises and the worst one was the Iran war But the rest were pretty good. They just reduced vaccine schedules from like which I love Well, weven or something, but also Trump also had Johnson and Johnson family. They just spread them out They didn't say you don't have to get them. They just allowing you to spread them out. Yeah, which is good Actually, they say the MMR vaccine has less side effects. No, you know how you know how there's no Cross, there's nothing that you would do to You know to not protect your family, right? You blow up the whole world before you lose your family, right? There's nothing you could pay me to take a single vaccine. Nothing. I blow up the whole world to take a vaccine. You're all dead Yeah, but we know people see this is one argument though Dave that you and I were talking about COVID stuff We were and obviously guilty of this thing. Oh, if you got a vaccine you instantly died and of course There were some people that had side effects, but it wasn't as bad as they said either, right? Would you agree? Well, I think that the main effects are yet to be seen. Yeah, I think I think there's argument for that I've been studying it mRNA is a transfer it sends information to your your ribosome to make the protein and so that they're creating Synthetic mRNAs and they're putting it in the system. You guys got to talk to Brandon Our homie who works here you met him already, but he had an adverse reaction and it gave him what is it called paresthesia? Temporary paralysis of his arms and legs. No, I've got the see woman. Yeah, this is not like Microditis young healthy guy, you know, then like he and I'm saying you know the benefit of being a conspiracy theorist You don't get myocarditis Is working hypothesis about why it was killing me hardly is because they had a concurrent retrovirus like HIV or pneumonia or I'm sorry Let's let's and so the retrovirus we're writing. Yeah, I got I want to bring up. I got it because I I doublefully about I want a good good. No, I'm just gonna say we're starting wrapping things up. I actually have to fly tomorrow I've got a lot of work. I'm gonna be your next week. It's not a bring up. Well, let's go back to Artemis for a second So they land in that Apollo triangle capsule right forget about the size and how they couldn't fit in there How they even got in there, but it's coming back at 25,000 miles an hour now We've seen like Felix Baumgartner jump from 20 miles up and he he he wasn't even having win resistance until he got like 50,000 feet right so the Artemis is coming down It's coming in and it has to slow down to 200 miles an hour before the initial shoots come out because they would just shred otherwise. So how's it slowing down? Wind resistance? Wind resistance, right? That's what I had. What is it going to do? At 100,000 feet, is there enough air to slow it down? No. No. There's not. So at 40,000 feet, is there enough? Maybe it's starting to a little bit, right? But at 25,000 miles an hour, it's going to hit the ground in like seven seconds. But it comes in at an angle. It comes at an angle of two degrees. That's like very shallow angle, right? And the bottom of that thing, the big disc bottom, it's the heat shield and it's very heavy. Why doesn't it tip over? It comes in at two degrees. It goes about a thousand miles sideways. Even at those, the deceleration would be so many g's, it would kill everybody on board. But meanwhile, they're falling covered in fire, plasma, NASA can't even film it. They only show us an animation. And they're like, they should be coming out of the no, no contact zone soon. Literally, they come out of it and the woman's like, you know, Alpha, control the earth, the Artemis to earth. Can you hear us now? She's talking like she's sitting in her living room. If I put you in a van and threw you out of a C 30, 13, whatever those cargo planes are, you would shit yourself, but not die. You would shake yourself, right? You would shake yourself. But they're freefalling about 25,000 decelerating at such a rate. We have to let this thing wrap, but I think it goes to Apollo mission about how they're sitting on a 10,000 pound thruster and they're able to talk to NASA and there's no, you don't hear that. No sound. Where could people find you? FlatEarthDeave.com. Take just watch the crash course, check out my app, the Flat Earth Sun Moon and Zoda Clock app. But everything's a FlatEarthDeave.com. Watch some of those videos, turn off Netflix for a week or forever and watch those videos and then make up your own mind. Don't believe anything Alex says, don't believe anything I say, maybe believe some stuff you say but not much, right? And check it out, especially if you think it's dumb, come collect my three bitcoins. Tony, where could people find you? I'm Tony, I'm to the show here. No, this is good to listen to you guys. Tonymerkle.com has everything on there. You can find all my different things I do, but I host a Confessionals podcast. We talk to people about a lot of supernatural topics and explore the unseen realm. Yeah, I'm prime time Alex. It's always a pleasure. I love Tim Pool, one of my besties, it sounds a little gay, but it's always a pleasure to come here. I'm happy we got to have Dave on. I think what Dave said, you know what I believe it's just looking to it and me and Dave are both retarded, but not as retarded as Ian and we love Ian. When I get people, they'll be like, are you familiar with Alex Dine? And I'll say Alex Dine, was that my wedding? Yeah, are you kidding? I'm one of the Tim's best friends. I'm one of the biggest Tim's for defenders, I can't even speak in the world. I'll always have your back Tim, you've always had mine, and that's why I love you brother. I think that it's possible that it's not that everything that was said today is true or everything's false, that there's a lot of things that may be true and maybe false with what came out today. So you got to go deeper. If you were into what we were talking about, go deeper, explore each point individually, spend a lot of time on each point and figure out what is real about what we're talking about. I'll just throw this in. There are a lot of people that when they hear something that they've been told through their whole life, they have an emotional anger reaction to it. Now it may be, let's just, let's just, I want to be nice to these people and say, you may watch this show and say, Alex and Dave are lunatics, they're so wrong. By all means. But if you catch yourself getting angry about it, you need to ask yourself why you're angry. Because if you do think the ideas are silly, you should be chuckling and you should be able to easily look these things up and say, I don't believe it for a second, but it is strange to me when people get mad. Tim, you nailed it. I mean, very good. Thank you. I think that's the most astute take of all this me and Dave might be saying nonsense, but the fact that people cannot upset, no, I'm saying, but I just did it. I laugh. I'm like, but we don't agree about my action of the hologram of the science and they're like, the theory of evolution is totally proven. Once again, this is a theory of modern science as it's theory and they were getting triggered. So it's like, if it triggers you, why is it triggering you? Because we don't know everything about our or I've not gotten mad at all for everything So they're open minded. So you're a little. Well, I think there's a that people need to need to understand philosophy. The only thing that I know is I know nothing, but anyway, E and I interrupt. Oh, that was it. There it is. Man, Carter Banks. Give it to me, baby. I mean, I do like, I just think that I go into everything, just believing everything and then tick things off as I just prove them pretty much like you can do dinosaurs from space. I want to change the picture. Picture you have a picture. What did you have one asteroid couldn't kill every dinosaur all the whole picture you have up there? That's AI. There wasn't that many windows on Artemis. Go look up the Artemis pictures. Everyone is a different capsule. They're all at a flutter Dave dot com to be the other side of it. All right, Tim. Take a sound. All right, everybody. Thanks for hanging out. Dave and I sat down for a good couple of hours, it's going to be up on Sunday. So it's a much chiller and very more calm and philosophical. You know, Alex Stein. Yeah. No, Alex Stein, right? All right. You can follow me on accident Instagram at Tim Gas. Thank you guys so much for watching and we will see you all on Sunday. [BLANK_AUDIO]