NEW Thiel Conspiracy & Julian's WARNING to America on 250th | Julian Dorey

What's up everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Julien Dory podcast. I am Julien Dory. Now, Joey, Dave, how you doing? How you doing? Well, happy July 4th, everyone. America's 250. We'll be talking about that today. Obviously, we're going to be digging deeper into the Leon Black investigation with a very specific link that we got to last week and found some more on that. So we're going to be going into that. And Joey, Dave, what would another episode without Palantille being up to his Palantir bullshit be without us just showing the world what the Lord of Soran or whatever the fuck it is they call it is doing? Yeah. It's kind of became a part of it just like Epstein. It's all kind of wrapped together with a nice bow. It wraps together. And as we're sitting here on the 250th anniversary of this great country, I think I'm going to have some thoughts at the end of this episode to kind of put some patterns together and have some optimism as well. You know what I mean? I've always been unapologetic about that. We're going to call out the things that are awful to try to shine some light on them because sunlight's the best disinfectant. But it should be the kind of thing where enough people do this in their corners of the internet. And we all stack it on top of each other and eventually some of these things are flushed the way out of the system, like a bad third, you know? Yeah. Before we begin Joey Deave, can you stick the camera on you for a second? Yeah. All right. Now hold up both your hands like this. Yeah. Can everyone see Joey Deave's hands? How you doing? Okay. Now you can stick the camera back on me. Cool. So you now know that prior to July 4th, Joey Deave had all 10 fingers. So if he has less than 10 at the end of this weekend, he's one of the many people who did not put it in reverse tear. Yeah. Well, if I'm gonna do it, Terry, me and Terry, I'll put it in reverse if you know you know. But I had gone through last week. Once again, the incredible long time investigation of my friend, Henry Abbott, in this case, who was a big linchpin in us going through the full Leon Black stuff last week. And I got to give another shout out to Henry on this one because the thread we're going to pull on a little deeper right now is one that he very specifically wants Congress to pull on on July 16th when they bring Leon Black back in for testimony that's now going to be recorded and everything. And that is the lawyer, Andrew Lavander, who is the guy that was hired by Leon Black's Apollo Global at Leon Black's request to investigate Leon Black and Apollo as it pertains to one Jeffrey Epstein after the Epstein scandal came out. And so again, I said this last week, but it has very much the vibes of, you know, the old headline, the CIA investigated itself for selling crack in Los Angeles and found no wrong doing. Yeah. That's very much what it seems to be here with Andrew Lavander because we did mention last week that he, of course, had a tie to Jeffrey Epstein, but we're gonna go into that in detail right now. And we're also gonna go through how it's multilayered after his quote-unquote run-ins with Mr. Epstein. And hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Before I say that, I also want to be clear, you know, we had pulled on the thread of Simon and Cromwell as it relates to U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Jay Clayton, former chair of the SEC, former, I think he was like, what was that? I can't even keep it all straight. If he was like on the board of Apollo, he replaced someone that buzzed. Yeah. I don't even remember what it was, but like tied on multi-different levels to Epstein and crazy things in history, I'm not sitting here saying like, Jay Clayton's fucking bloodlines was actually doing the Treaty of Versailles and setting the whole world on this course. I am just saying, when you look at some of these prestigious institutions and their history and their longstanding relationships where institutions like, in this case, a prominent law firm like Simon and Cromwell get intertwined to where it's total gray area in a bad way with, say, the government and the people that run it. And that inter-twination, not a word, but you know what I mean, goes all the way back to things like the Treaty of Versailles and probably before it, yeah. You can wonder why a guy who's prominent at a firm like that would somehow end up to be the forest gump in all these positions at a time where the office that he's now presiding over is the office that was in charge of this investigation that's getting swept right under the rug. These are reasonable questions to ask. The reason I say that though is because you can't like assume 100% that like, Jay Clayton has, you know, this long, like he was born into this situation and like he's supposed to be like the guy that they're putting forward is the Manchurian candidate to do all this. He's the chosen one. He's the chosen one, right? You don't know that. But what you could infer is that there's a possibility that he is some sort of hatchet man because I don't know how these conversations happen. But you and I have seen enough movies, you know, someone comes into the boardroom, young stud, they're like, all right, listen, pal, you're on the team now. We're going to make your partner. Here's a hatchet. Here's a hatchet. Yeah. Don't kill that guy. You know, like I Jeff, he might have a problem. I don't know. It could be 10 years, it could be 20 years. When he has a problem, you're going to be in the right position, aren't you, buddy? These things happen. It happens in the mafia. Why wouldn't it happen in a fucking law firm? You know, it's like the old Omar little line. I got a shotgun. You got a briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? The game. The game. The game. Yeah. We're pissed. I was going to just say that because the mob doesn't really exist anymore, they kind of have to do it under the confines of biz and bureaucracy. That's kind of what it's become. Yeah. And you know what? To some extent, that's always what they did. Yeah. Look at that skyline. Yeah. They built it. Yeah. Not saying that's a great thing. I'm just saying it's a nice skyline. Shout out to the dying American mafia. But we good? Yeah. Yeah. I cut to the skyline. And nothing was there. I think falls asleep. Okay. So. All right. So you're going to see the skyline in approximately three, two, one. It's still not on. All right. We're not going to see it. Either way, there's a skyline on the wall. Just take my word for it. We're having a camera problem. It's no big deal. Joy deep. It's got a wedding to go to this afternoon. So I had to hop on camera quickly. It's my bed. Oh, no. You're good. The camera was on. It just fell. Look at that. There it is. Oh, we have it. All right. There you go. Beautiful skyline brought to you by the Italian American mafia. Lucky Luciano. Yeah. There you go. And the Jewish mob and, and Myrlansky. Myrlansky, yeah. Who grew up with Lucky Luciano. They're all friends. They all do the same thing. It's just piss. It's all beautiful. It's all beautiful. Point being, with things like that with Jay Clayton. Yeah. I'm going to lose my mind when I see all these threads happen to tie together on this strange timeline that's certainly a suspect. But yes, it is pure spec. Yeah. I mean, should go without saying. That said, sorry. That was a long tangent on this. I was talking about Andrew Lavander here, which we were digging deeper into. So kind of set the roots. You've got to set the roots. The roots for flowers. Yeah. Listen, what was the old Nick Sireani quote? You know, we're planning the seeds and then the roots come up and the flowers and it grows. And then we want a super bowl. It sounds good to me. Anyway, so that Henry article right there. Can we start with that, Dave? So this is from Henry Abbott's blog, True Hoop, which has this entire investigation, which I was showing you this before. Dave, can you just pull up the homepage? To True Hoop, real fast. This was awesome. So Henry was a guy that I didn't know personally. Obviously he's been on the show now, but I had shouted out his research for years because it was second to none in my book, what he did back in 2020, 2021, and 2022 with this whole 21 chapter Epstein saga. And so when I did episode 388 with John Curiaku in February, I brought it up and went through it and explained this whole thing. Henry saw it and was like really excited. And then he and I connected and the rest was history. But when you go to his homepage, he now organized just so that when people get there on the landing page, like, hey, start with my initial investigation. So the front of it says, start here, True Hoop's jump free Epstein investigation. And I just want to take credit for the best byline in the history of websites where it says quote below it, some of quote, some of the greatest shit I've ever read unquote. That is my quote. I felt like a celebrity reading that. That was pretty cool. That's cool. So I did say that on John Curiaku's episode and now Henry's lead on the byline with it, probably thinking like, god damn it, this is this is the quote I got, no, no, he likes these rock and roll dude. All right. But anyway, so this is another, what do we even know? This was part four. Yeah. This is part four. This was part four. Okay. And we're going to refer to that. And deep, you know what? Just to keep it simple, I'm going to pull it up here. So I have it in front of me as well. So every all you guys out there can see it. And I'm going to cut down to the part where where it says James Patterson's 2017 book, Filthy Rich. This is what we're going to zoom in on. Okay. Okay. All right. So James Patterson's 2017 book, Filthy Rich, which has been made into a Netflix special, which by the way, that came out, if I remember, if my memory serves me right, right when COVID hit and everyone got home. Oh, yeah, I did it. I can't remember right yeah, you know, it's like six months after he died seven months after he quote unquote died Definitely, you know didn't kill himself, but they say he died and all that Certainly, my question's there, but you know, it changed Patterson also goes way back with one William Djerfchen Clinton Yeah, and it's just you know, he's a Palm Beach resident, too Palm Beach. He at least had a home there. It's he just you see stuff like that and you like all right What's what's the play here? Listen James Patterson great writer great writers. Just some pure spec right there as far as like some You know weird ties, but I don't know all these rich people. They seem to know each other Yeah, no, I'm Chomsky great linguist great linguist, but but but yeah big but It's why Dief and I stay here in Hoboken anyway, so James Patterson 2017 book filthy rich Which has been made into a Netflix special describes in 1982 episode where a Spanish ares Anna Obregon hired Jeffrey Epstein That Jeffrey Epstein to recover her father's fortune It turned out to be a case that rocked Wall Street I'm going to come back to exactly what that case was because that sketchy is fuck to What I thought about was if I was going to go deep into the nitty gritty of it on here And I've decided against that because it is very complex financial stuff and y'all are going to fall asleep in two seconds So I'm going to simplify it But just bear with me here One of the lawyers looking into the case up for the government at the time because now the government was checking into this quote-unquote Wall Street thing Was none other than Andrew Lavander who was then an assistant US attorney where In the southern district of New York where a friend Jay Clayton is now the head of the US attorney Anyway Patterson writes even today Lavander remembers Epstein bringing quote a very attractive woman Unquote to meet him when Epstein came to him in the course of the investigation The woman was Anna Obregon Lavander told Anna that he was already working the case again in a criminal capacity I add A lawyer named Robert Gould who was a federal former federal prosecutor himself was assisting So that's obviously the way that's put by James Patterson as now a private attorney It's not someone he's a former but he's assisting on helping a Public prosecutor with a case again. That's above my pay grade our great lawyer friends out there Maybe you can discuss some of the ethics of that in the Comment section, you know what I mean? What are ethics? But here's the best party deep the last sentence from Mr. James Patterson And now Epstein also a private citizen and not a lawyer in any capacity Would join them in the hunt for the money's now Henry comes in and says there's a disappointing lack of detail I wonder why was it common for prosecutors to buddy up with private citizens for investigation Patterson writes the Epstein and Lavander worked on the case together for years In an unusual kind of public/private partnership and we're ultimately successful In recovering the money. It's a forgettable episode except and I would actually disagree with Henry I don't think it's a forgettable episode But Lavander would go on to become one of the most successful white-collar defense attorneys in the country More on that in a few minutes and eventually chairman of the respected international firm Dechert who did what well when buddy Crosk when Busy Crongarde's conflicts committee hired an independent law firm To look into the relationship between Epstein and Leon Black at Apollo they hired Dechert The report that resulted didn't have a lawyer's name on it But it has been widely reported and Henry includes sourcing on this That Lavander reported admirer of Epstein's beautiful companion and ad hoc investigation partner in the 1980s Was himself the author and he was the chairman of the fucking law firm that did it You know what they say all roads go through the chair. Yep. I don't think anyone's ever said that I will coin it. We'll coin it. Hey, we'll add that pure specb is all roads go through the chair doesn't roll the same But whatever anyway, there's some interesting things here As well before we go on to draw from like the timeline So 1982 when this would happen Is around the time that the towers financial thing Is gonna it is like happening where Jeffrey Epstein's partnered with why do I always forget that fucking guy's name The guy who ended up owning the New York Post and then took the fall for the whole thing And was a source for Henry until he died a couple years ago. Huffenberg He was partnered with Huffenberg. It turned out to be a huge Ponzi scheme Huffenberg goes to prison for like two decades over it is pounding the table forever about how yes It was a Ponzi scheme, you know Yada yada I paid the price but like Jeffrey Epstein was the guy who dreamed the whole fucking thing up And was completely immune from on prosecution So this is while he's doing that it's I believe right after And double check me on the timeline because I'm doing this off the top of my head And we know mr. Epstein went fucking everywhere In in his career. He just touched a lot of things a lot of different times But I believe this is right after Epstein had officially in fact left bare stirons which was also under some Interesting circumstances there after having a lot of early career success when he was vouched for as someone without a college education Even get a job there. That's a whole thing. But like What is he doing with Anna Obergon here this young eras He's hunting for lost money in odd In-depth financial transactions. I'm going to talk about that detail in a second We've heard this narrative over and over again about Jeffrey Epstein about how he was like an amazing You'll hear these rich people say he was an amazing bounty hunter of money among other things that they say and there's other things They say that doesn't make sense or like seems to give him way too much credit and stuff But they talk about how he could just go find lost money or things that were under a rock You know the fucking Congolese bank of the Saudi bank of the Swiss bank if you will I made that up but you get the picture And so here you have an example of a young Jeffrey Epstein at this time. He would have been around 29 years old Being hired by a foreign eras. How the fuck does she know who he is? There's a good question again intelligence ties. I think so You know to go find this money and what is James Patterson himself right about the investigation He writes that it was a success They found the fucking money Now what did they find the money from deep. I got a link there called Reverse repost disaster drives the off-air So I just want to pull this up so that you guys can go read this on your own time and you know draw out on a whiteboard All the nitty-gritty the financial metrics going on here But this is from the Christian science monitor in May on May 27th 1982 And this is courtesy a Henry Abbott finding this sourcing. It's called how the drives-dale fair almost stymied the US securities market Apologies to all my financial people out there I'm gonna weigh over simplify this for a minute, but that's for the sake of the entire audience here and my own brain Essentially this company drives Dale Was doing something called a reverse repo and skipping over about 50 other steps here The end result was what they were trying to do is speculate in government securities where they would quickly Receive Something related to their payouts and then sell it For a different price a higher price they that's what speculated how they were trying to make money Which in financial terms that's called an arbitrage Spec right. It is literally the definition of speculation. It is it is it is the original Pure spec if you want to got it on this. Yeah, we just made it better. I like that, but Michael Michael Lewis actually wrote a great book Back and I want to say like Maybe 2011 2012 called flash boys, which was about the dawn of the high-frequency trading market 2014. Yeah, I read this in college and You know, it goes through this whole system that happened in the 2000s You know think like oh five oh six oh seven in there where there was this enormous race unbeknownst to you me and everyone else at home of Guys building fiber optic cabling You know below Random places all over the country just to be able to shave a nanosecond off a trade Right and a lot of the hubs would be held in say chicus new jersey right here Stuff like that and it would create these I'm trying to remember the book. It's been a while But it would Michael Lewis wrote the big short by the way very famous author, but you know, it would create these dark pools Where trade where transactions could happen quickly so that when you could find small discrepancies in the market You could minimize the time to be able to get your trade out to you know flip that discrepancy meaning I'm gonna oversimplify it, but let's say a stock is trading for $3.02 on the New York Stock Exchange, but it's being offered by some broker It's been a while with this stuff on another dark pool or whatever for three dollars So if you can trade within nanoseconds before the market fully You know corrects there and you buy 10 million shares of the stock at $3 over here and immediately within 10 nanoseconds sell it for $3.02 over here or you make two cents times 10 million. You do that fucking a hundred times a day. I mean, you know, in a little business. Just the fact that it's good spec right there. So this is back in 1982. Obviously there's no high frequency trading, but what this company driestail was trying to do, essentially was find discrepancies in the market for government bonds. So when we think our 40 trillion in fucking debt, this is what we're talking about. And the article gets into the details of like whether or not it was in the interest rates and payouts and they were taking loans from like 30 other broker dealers about it, it gets very complex. I don't want to explain all that. I will fuck it up too. Like I have to, I've really got to read it again to fully understand it. But essentially there was this moment in, I guess, May 1982 or around that shortly before that time, where one day, Chase Bank was basically left on the hook with $150, $160 million of unpaid whatever. And the amount wasn't necessarily like a world ender, but because it would have created the way it's explained in this article, because it would have created distrust in the marketplace. If it wasn't later agreed at some very weird meeting at the fucking Federal Reserve between the bank and a bunch of people that kind of, you know, worked this whole thing out with the other broker dealers, it would have created massive distrust that then would have led to a liquidity problem of being able to like move a lot of government bronze, which could have brought the entire securities market to a standstill over simplifying it, but that's effectively like what they were saying there. So bring it back. Anna Oba is a very, very complex financial transaction thing. By the way, back in 1982, long before you got like very high speed computers in the internet and stuff to go find things and whatever. And Obragon, her father was an investor in somehow within these drysdale securities transactions and stuff and it lost millions and millions and millions of dollars. And so Jeffrey Epstein came in and he did find it with the help of Andrew Lavander. Just an interesting little, you know, twister back there. But Andrew Lavander, let's keep it simple, Dief. Let's start with that literal CIPD link that has enough for me even to just start there. Who knows what they're not putting on here? You see it under Kishoggi and BCCI. Preview. Say, as you Lavander in the late 1970s, born same year as Jeffrey Epstein by the way. Interesting, just, you know, that may I think, but brothers. In the late 1970s, we'll ban don't do that. Don't fucking do that. Don't do that, Dief. Okay. I've had enough of, I don't even know what's real anymore. In the late 1970s, Lavander was an assistant to the solicitor general and made his first argument before the US Supreme Court at age 25, young talent. He later served as assistant US attorney in the Southern District of New York securities and commodities fraud unit, which is where he bumps into Epstein. And upon leaving the US attorney's office in 1985, this is where he gets interesting. Lavander joined New York based firm, Sheref Friedman Hoffman and Goodman, where his clients included fund managers, Dave Askin and John Kawaseke, former Sunbeam Corporation Chairman, Paul Kazarian, Saudi Arms dealer and Jeffrey Epstein mentor Adnan Kishoggi. Yeah, young 30-year-old, young 35-year-old in that area, managing one of the greatest arms dealers and most prolific criminals internationally of all time, who's cousins with, you know, royalty cousins with the guy getting whacked in the Turkish embassy, cousins with fucking Dodifi Ed, who dies in the car. But it just, you know, all these people, they know each other. You can literally say all these people, they fuck each other. It's right there. They do. He also, man, had Harold Calone, definitely saying that wrong, as a client, who was an associate of the National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia, Chairman, Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfuz, who was implicated in the BCCI scandal. And if you heard Henry's episode, you know, he broke down that entire thing. So this is a guy going right out there and representing people literally related in these conspiracies after, as James Patterson writes, years of work in the Jeffrey Epstein to recover money for one, Ana Abragom. And who knows who else? Epstein probably just brought her in 'cause he thought she was hot. Apparently, that's how Lavender describes her. He's like a very attractive young woman. - Hmm. - You know? Was she, as she had to be of age at that point, right? Please tell me she was of age. She wasn't fucking 15. Yep, so 19, yeah, she was of age, she was 27. All right, thank God. That's a first, with Jeffrey Epstein. But either way, like, you know, you see that. And then you fast forward, go to the end of the Wikipedia article, Defe, one more time, with Decher because that ties it all together on CIA-APD itself. We're just getting that back up real quick, go down to the bottom. In December 2020, it was reported that he was written out. In March 2021, Lavender concluded an investigation into the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Leon Black on behalf of Apollo Global Management, finding no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Black. He paid Jeffrey Epstein $170 million to do a state planning and stuff. And yeah, went to his townhouse multiple tons a week just to discuss finances. That's all they did. They didn't discuss anything else. They didn't do anything else. I don't even think he drank coffee there. There's no, I don't even know if they had eggs. If they did, it'd probably be eggs Benedict. He seems like a real, you know, turning the other way kind of guy. - No, they have human eggs. - Oh, that's the kind of question. - It's kind of eggs there, and oh God. You know, I hadn't even thought about that shit in a while, and now you're bringing it back, and it's like, - It's just biz, dude, sorry. - Yeah, I really want to know, I really want to know. Like, I don't want to know, but I want to know for the purposes of it. - What is knowing really do for you? - But like if you could, I want to be able to prove it. - Yeah. - I want to be able to prove what things like Jerky are. - Yeah. - In the files. I want to be able to say this here, boom, like jokes aside, 'cause that would, that gets interesting. But this is also the same era that we're talking about, like when LaVander was working with Epstein, private citizen Jeffrey Epstein, college dropout Jeffrey Epstein, to recover money internationally for some fucking sion. You know, I'm not really sure what that has to do with taxpayer money, like why that's his responsibility to do that, but you know, neither here nor there. You know, this is in the same era where, you know, Iran Contra starts to happen. And what was that arms deal that they're reviewing Prince Andrew on? There was the Saudi arms deal, Al Yamama. - Al Yamama deal as well, which was-- - That was John. - Yep, and we talked about that with Henry, a couple other people as well, like all interrelated. So, of all the lawyers they could have picked, I mean, there's a lot of great law firms in New York. There's a lot of great law firms in New York. You go to pick fucking any of them, but you pick that one and this guy, why? 'Cause no one needs to see nothing. And I, for legal reasons, we'll say that's pure spec, but you know, that's at the highest end of the spectrum of pure spec, meaning you are right below the, yes, that's exactly what it is. If you know what I mean. - Yeah. - Now, spec, there was also another six story from the telegraph last week. We just start with the tweet right there, I don't know. I'll get to the story, but like, the reason I wanna bring this up is because I think it also shows yet another crazy example of how the government could have renigged on the worst deal ever made, because Epstein was violating parts of it, but just the tweet to start perfect. So the story is Jeffrey Epstein assaulted victims at a fake office during his prison sentence. We have heard about the fact that he's had an office that he would go to whatever it was, five, six times a week in downtown West Palm for 12 hours a day, with a personal driver taking him there before he went back to prison to sleep. But the telegraph at jail to sleep, not even prison. The telegraph has obtained and published photographs, taken inside Epstein's office for the first time, showing the cushioned conditions he was granted while serving an already lenient sentence in a minimum security lockup. So let's hit the article. Sex Fender financier assaulted victims at his 14th floor Florida Science Foundation suite during his prison sentence. He always wraps everything up in like this fake love of science. And you know what, he actually might have loved his fucked up science or whatever, but like everything has to come back to like something that makes him seem smarter and dignified as it relates to things that have absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in his brain. - Yeah, he likes, he just likes genetics. This is really what it is, eugenics for being real, yeah, for being real. So this was at 250 South Australian Avenue in Palm Beach, the Florida Sounds Foundation. And this is written by Poppy Wood, U.S. correspondent for the telegraph. She writes, "Rosa was 18 when she met Jeffery Epstein in 2008. The teenager from Uzbekistan had been lured to the U.S. with the premise of a quote, "modeling career beyond my dreams," unquote, by who, Joey Deef, Jean-Luc Branoel, who definitely did off himself. Like, I know that's what the government's told us, you know, in President's Day weekend 2022, that on an early Saturday morning, that weekend, he, you know, decided to end his life in his presence, so he definitely did that. No one did that for him, for sure. Say for sure, Joey Deef. For sure. For sure. Anyway. So the French fashion scout and friend of Epstein died in jail in 2022 while awaiting sex trafficking charges. A month, I like how they said, died in jail. Good shot out to the telegraph. I see what you did there. Poppy Wood. Yeah. One of us. Is that even a real name? Don't do that. I just, I just, I could, I was really trying to hold you in. All right. We could talk about that. A month after her first meeting, Rosa, the Uzbekistan girl who was promised a modeling career, found herself in a far less glamorous situation than she imagined. She had been offered a job working for Epstein. Just read this back. She had been offered a job working for Epstein while the pedophile was supposed to be serving in 18 months sentence for child sex offense. What, what do you think a LinkedIn listing like that looks like? You know, job, secretary, executive, hours, when I'm not in prison. Yeah. It's going to be like, well, you're going to be on site. We do have an office. They're going to be armed guards there. Well, field trips are going to be behind bars. No armed guards. Yes. There are no guards. No guards. If they are, you know, they, yeah, I won't go there. But either way, that's a tough. It's a tough one. Yeah. Like how much would they need to be paying? Now, this is $2008. So, you know, cut dollar values in half at least. But like for you to consider taking that job, Joey Deef, let's say you were a woman because you're not as far as I know. But how much at, not even age 18, at age 23 or a year out of college, how much do you need to be paid a month to say yes to this? Do I have any knowledge of this guy? No. I'm just, I'm just a girl who, you know, she finished school. That's right. Man. Shit. Shit. I need like, at that age, you need, in 2008, I need like 30K a month or a year. A year? A year, okay. In 2008, fresh out of college, I'm like, listen, sir, 30K a month. I'll drive you back to prison at the end of the shift if I have to. Yeah. And then day one, you realize you're a hostage. And you're like, oh, I made a huge mistake. I made a huge mistake. Yeah. And unfortunately. You're like, can we make it two mil? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's going to work. No. This is a grade A predator. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he clearly had a very well-ran operation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But what you will. So she had been offered a job working for Epstein while the pedophile was supposed to be serving an 18-month sentence for child sex abuse. In reality, he was being driven each day to a tall office block around the corner from the Palm Beach County stockade as part of a generous work release program. He had been able to take advantage of while he was serving his 18-month prison cell. Okay. And it says Epstein was allowed out of, yeah, okay. The Florida science foundation, a non-profit company Epstein claimed to a local court he had been working at for, quote, 15 years unquote, he claimed that to a court through his lawyers. It was crazy. It was crazy. He was bogus. His attorney had registered it on his behalf in November 2007, months before his prison since started. Now, he had a lot of attorneys. I want to know if that attorney was down in Dershowitz, though, number one, number two, what is the direct violation of a, to say nothing of all the rules that were already broken here and that should never have been allowed to happen. But they literally would have by the implication of this article is that literally through court documents related to a plea agreement and what the stipulations of that would be filed with the courts agreed to by the prosecutors and the defense and overseen by the judge. There was a direct fraudulent lie that should mean two things. Number one, the entire plea agreement is automatically tossed out by the judge. This should have been caught. It was very easy to be caught. And number two, whoever filed that and actually filled out that application to have it in November 2007 with, I'm speaking about the attorney here and then reported it as an organization. It was a part of for 15 years. If not being going to a disbarment hearing, that attorney should be put under serious review by the Bar Association of Florida for a conduct that is unbecoming of lawyer. I don't know. Pure spec. Maybe my lawyers can help me out. That seems like an ethics violation. Yeah. Because you know who registered that company? First name, Juan. Last name Carlos. No, I'm just saying like the state of Florida, I can't imagine register in that thing was a hefty process. I'm sure that they just wrote Juan Carlos as the manager of the company and registered it and got an LLC the next day. I don't know. Probably pure spec. Pure spec. Yeah. All right. So that's crazy. So Rosa helped man the phones at the fake company's headquarters. Who's calling? In street 1404. You know, you know, he's out of Australia and Avenue, a glass building flank by palm trees and a lake. Look, they gave him a lake. Nice feel. I actually thought that. This is, and of course, this is what always happens is what this guy would do. She said that Epstein abused her while she was working at the 14th floor office, according to testimony she provided to Congress in May, several other women have made similar accusations saying the office was for all intensive purposes, quote, a get out of jail. Free card. Unquote. Had a feeling. Yeah. Yeah, let's go down a little bit. There might be one more thing. I want to say. Telegraph has obtained and published photographs taken inside Epstein's office for the first time showing the cushy conditions. He was granted while serving an already lenient sentence in a minimum security lockup. Pedophile was handed 18 months sentence in June 2008. He claimed he needed to use his Florence science found his Florida science foundation headquarters to negotiate donations for medical research. I don't know. Maybe donations for his like master race, eugenics, bullshitting plan. If I was this, if I was running that prison awarded, I'd be like, yeah, you want to do you donations? Yeah. And here's a roll of quarters, phones right over there. Go, go do your thing, Mr. Epstein. In fact, little work was actually done at the Florida science foundation. The 3881 square foot workplace was kid. That's a nice fucking workplace. That's a lot nicer of a workplace than I provide us here, Joey. Let me just put it that way strictly by square footage. The workplace was kidded with a TV, high tech speakers, listen, you need good Bose, you need good Bose speakers, gets the people going high tech speakers and frame photos, including one of a young girl, silver plated tissue boxes, that beside a pair of sofas in the suite, as well as a bronze statue of a woman in a bookcase. The office even had a large kitchen, although Epstein rarely cooked, because he only ate blood. Yeah. That's not it. It's not in there. Go down. It's just somehow gets worse and worse. He also used it as a place to host Sarah Ferguson, the former Duchess of York, and Skype Lord Mandelson, haven't heard anything about that investigation recently by the way, while he was serving as UK's business secretary. The office provided Epstein with a postal address to enjoy the luxuries of the outside world that a prison sentence should have precluded. So his mail's not getting jacked. It gets you. It gets get free mail. It's actually hilarious, like how like this is like shit out of a movie. It's insane. They would write this in a Hollywood script and go, yeah, no, listen, Andrew, I hear you. Andrew, I hear you. You have to scale this back. No one's going to bump. And then it's Kevin Spacey's, like it doesn't matter, we pay them every week. We pay them. Give them an address. Don't check the mail. And they're like, wow, he's really plugged in this guy. He's plugged. He's really plugged in. He's plugged. These included indulgences that Epstein specially requested, such as an iPod. Remember those, a desktop computer ship from his New York mansion, so that's interesting. He wanted his computer ship, a desktop ship from his New York mansion I wonder why. I wonder what was on that hard drive. Luxury. Luxury leather samples from his island home refurbishment. Epstein's friends also sent gifts that they thought might sweeten the pill of his time behind bars, DVDs of historical thrillers, and a copy of Gone Tomorrow. Jack Reacher novel by Lee Child, published in 2009. Epstein even redirected his subscription to the Nabokovian to the Florida Science Foundation office after he was jailed. The magazine honors Victor Nabokov, the author of Epstein's favorite book, Lolita, which tells me that's his favorite book. No fucking way. But look at what it is. Which I know exactly of a middle-aged pedophile's obsession with a 12-year-old girl. Yeah, dude. And his plane was called Lolita Express, like, dude, that's so crazy. The phrase hiding in plane sight doesn't do justice to what people like this did. And I'm going to talk about this in the America 250 thoughts at the end, but like, it's been a good ride. It's been a great ride, America. We've had a lot of fun. According to these people, it's been a great ride because to them, the ride must be over. And they're just taking the last tickets on King Decade and enjoy the fucking flowdown one more time on that roller coaster and then leave six flags forever. Because this is far past the point of middle finger in your face or middle finger to the side while they walk by with a smirk on their face and you're screaming at them and they don't care. This is like whatever's way worse than that. Thinking of some worse things. I'm not going to bring that, but like, it's so blatant and somehow organizations like the telegraph are able to get more documents and more information and the evidence, like, when you think, okay, this can't be a worse setup. Oh, no, it is. You know, like, it just, it's impossible. It's impossible to be surprised by things anymore, but somehow you still get surprised. So there you go, Jeffrey Epstein's cushy situation was obviously involving more abuse, which I think we probably figured that part, but the amenities he was enjoying was even beyond or wildest dreams. And, you know, this is the same guy that Leon Black's like, well, you know, he was convicted of soliciting a 17-year-old prostitute. He didn't show the right idea at the time. So I didn't think much of it. They just thought this was perfectly fine. And I'd love to know. They said in that article, friends were sending them stuff. Can they obtain in the documents? Like, they mentioned a couple of names that he was skippin' with and things like that. But as far as friends sending them things, I'm asking, what's your name, Poppy Wood? Poppy Wood? Yeah, Poppy Wood. If you're doing great work, Poppy. But if you can find in those documents some information as to who specifically was sending him things and what things they were sending. And you can open source that. I know all of it. I speak for all of us out here. I'm pretty confident in saying that. That we would very much love to see that and expose some more. So we'll keep our eyes on that. But there was also. You know, this seat has had some interesting people in it. That's all I'm going to say. But they was another story. At Deep and I, we're looking. I mean, this was right before we got on camera. Like, it was like, we literally were about to hit record. And I was like, "Hey, Deep, get a load of this." But that link, Epstein and Barack, using Israeli mercenaries in Africa. Africa is just a place that the elites around the world just love to pilfer. They just love to use and abuse the people in their resources and keep them in a low economic spiral so that they can continue to do it. And I'll just say this on a personal note. I received a text this week. I'm not going to say who this was from. Interesting guy I got connected to a couple years ago who sometimes sends me a text. And usually when he sends me a text, I look up like this and I just like look around and then close my phone. But he said, I'm just going to read this before this story because I'll explain why in a minute. But he said, give me a call sometime. You're getting into some deep shit. Keep it going. Not a reassuring text, but anyway, not that one deep, the other one. The Epstein and Barack one. That one was funny. - That is the link under the Epstein and Barack one. - Oh, it is? - Yeah. - Sometimes you just gotta do it live, people. - Is it the Justice dog government? - Nope, I got it right here. It's from the cradle, it's on June 26th. I'll give you the link, Dave, so that people can just see this on the screen. And you guys can go check out this deeper yourself. But it says, "Liquid emails expose Jeffery Epstein "and a Hood, Barack, former prime minister "and defense minister and special forces commando "and a lot of things of Israel using Israeli mercenaries "to plunder minerals across Africa." Former Israeli minister, a Hood, Barack coordinated closely with Jeffery Epstein to secure oil gas and mineral resources across Africa, following his resignation as defense minister in 2013, according to leaked Gmail files and U.S. Department of Justice documents reviewed by Drops site news. Epstein helped package privatized Israeli intelligence and surveillance infrastructure for sale to foreign governments to expand this business footprint, Barack Drew, on his lifelong intelligence connections, including former massage chief Danny Yatome and his private military firm, Global Strategic Group. Class five proposals within the leak revealed that Yatome's firm deployed an elite Israeli train special operations unit to train Congolese state forces in the mineral rich Eastern regions of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The military intervention helped counter the March 23rd movement rebel alliance during the 2012 to 2013 war. The battlefield stabilization immediately opened direct investment channels for Epstein's network who leveraged Barack's military credentials to pursue lucrative resource concessions with Congolese leadership and engage in privatized sanctions diplomacy. The resource scramble has intensified. Here's where it ties back to today. And you say, oh, these motherfuckers were early. The resource scramble has intensified in 2026 as text titan seat Congo's Coltan and lithium deposits to fuel the artificial intelligence boom. In response, Kinshasha has partnered with the U.S. and UAE to launch a $100 million mining paramilitary force to counter Chinese dominance. Again, it's a big proxy war also over there. West and East going on in China. I remember back in 23 episode 148, Sean Ryan and I talked about this a bunch. I made a little documentary on it. 12 and a half minute documentary at the time about some of that. And like, you know, basically people get caught in the middle of it, but it's make no mistake about it. It's a resource and money proxy war. Here's the last paragraph though. And this is where it got interesting. Despite Washington's denials of funding the mine's security force, they've never worked with Israeli interests before ever at any point, Joey Deves. So they would never fund anything there. Private contractors like Blackwater Founder, Eric Prince's Vectis Global have arrived alongside Israeli advisers to train Congolese battalions, continuing a decades long pattern of foreign exploitation. Classic. Well, Eric was sitting in this seat for episode 305. Has it been back since then would be an interesting conversation to be had. I will say he's been speaking out a lot against the Iran war, which very much surprised me. This is kind of interesting though. I would I would love some deets on that. So yeah, maybe we reach out and see if Eric will talk about that. But I think about this a lot because some of the people I've talked to in the past, including that guy mentioned on the text and shall remain nameless. The fucking, I won't even call it military training, but like, what's the term I'm looking for? I'm going to like invent a term. I guess like the sub-tribal kill force training that goes on, you know, with Western and highly trained Eastern military intelligence getting involved to go into concrete countries like Congo. I don't want to get some other ones wrong, but a handful of countries you would recognize in Africa and basically come in at the behest of someone who's vouging or fighting for political power to have their forces trained to be able to go take out the other factions also vying for power. And usually it's not too. It's multiple in these countries. In return for the people training them using the countries that they're connected to to come in and get the business on the back end, which usually ends up undercutting economically the very people of that country that are supposedly the new regime is trying to represent and also creating, I don't know, human rights issues all over the place. We talked about that before with the cobalt mines and everything. It's like, this is a moral disaster. And yeah, I understand the world's a fucking complicated place, but it feels like, especially in Africa, this has been going on since the dawn of time at this point. And at some point, someone's got to say, hey, maybe there's a more humane way to do your business. Or maybe you just skip some fucking business for once. Not to be like a fucking damn hippie. Yeah, exactly. I'm not trying to be a hippie. I'm trying to be a fucking human. on which you got to get that profit in the numbers, dude. And as a little side note, it's like we, we, we talked with Doug Rushkov yesterday, that podcast isn't going to be out for like four or five weeks or so because it's not time sensitive and I've been filming a lot of great podcasts and we, we got to get some other ones out. But Doug, what Doug was a really interesting conversation, he's a guy I spoke about maybe like eight weeks ago where we played a clip of Doug in 2020, discussing his time advising billionaires and this is the, this interview was before COVID, it was like February 2020. And he was discussing his time advising some billionaires a few years before that. 2018, he said, yeah, 2017 or 2018, privately advising some powerful billionaires on how to plan for an end of the world or civilizational threat event. And it was something that they didn't they literally call it the event, the event. So when he went to, you'll get all the details in our conversation. But when he went to talk to these guys, it wasn't like they were wondering or speculating that something could happen. They, they literally had a name for what would happen. They called it the event. They said it could be anything from nuclear disaster to artificial intelligence, having a serious issue to a pandemic, something with the fucking climate. They had all these different possibilities, but like it's totally happening. So we're building bunkers. We, they had notes and shit. They wanted to know exactly how to plan for the end of the world because Doug Rushgoth is like he's been a long time tech futurist philosopher, very well respected, got a lot of predictions right back in the 90s. So that's why he's being called into a meeting like this. And you know, he was blown away by like their lack of humanity. And the craziest part was I did it again. But I'm sitting there and I'm trying to, you know, there's a lot of billionaires these days, but I'm trying to plug like who they could have been. And I just, I can't, I'll never be able to say it's all for record, but I had this one guy in my head. And it's not one of it's not, you know, Peter Teal or Elon Musk or something like that. It's a more non-descript guy, but I had this guy in my head. I'm like, why do I think this was the fucking guy leading the meeting? Like, like the dude calling it. And so I didn't have paper in front of me, but I was like, Dave, put the, you stick the camera on Doug real quick. You stuck the camera on Doug. And I had my like, my band over there, my elastic band. I had the pen. So I wrote the name on the elastic band. And I held it up to Doug, who's like, this like happy-go-lucky dude. He laughs the whole time. He's talking no matter how serious the subject is. And when I showed it to him, he went, can, can people see? I'm like, no, people can't see anything. He's like, yes, that was him. I was like, fuck, Jesus. God damn Christ. Sometimes I'll put it this way because I'll never say who that was. But sometimes people really, really literally tell you who they are. And many of us don't listen. And you should listen when they do. Because some idiot YouTuber like me sitting in a studio in his house that he sleeps in as well should not be able to guess that on an elastic band on the first try. But I did. It's just, it all fucking ties somehow all ties together, Dave. Yeah. You see what the foundation of our great country is built on in this year of two fifths surveillance and elite technocracy. That's exactly what they built it on. More on that in a few minutes. But yeah, speaking of our friend Peter Tiel, you know, he's always doing something deep. He's always got a new project. He's always got something new that is straight out of an or well novel that he'll swear to God somehow meets his libertarian worldviews which aren't real. I talked about that with Doug Rushkov too. It's like, yeah, you're libertarian. Get the fuck out of here. Everything you do is not libertarian. You see Alex Carp like meltdown on CMBC. No, I got to check that. I mean, it's just like we are run by psychopaths. Not run. I mean, we know when I'll act at Alex Carp or fucking Peter Tiel, but yeah, that's what you get. Yeah, because we give him all the money. We give him all the money. Gotta stop investing in all these crazy audits on drugs. But here's the thing, Dave. Here's the thing. Peter Tiel has an idea that's gonna help us with transparency now. It's gonna help us better understand the world and be able to get to the truth. And it's called objection. Do you heard about objection, deep? Yeah, this is his new, his new project. Yeah, deep. Steve's on it. So objection, and I'm gonna read just the definition here. This is from Google. This is straight from Google. I'll put it up there. All right. Objection is a fact-checking media or investigation platform co-funded by tech billionaire Peter Tiel. For a fee starting at a measly $2,000. I don't know, $2,000 is a lot of fucking money to me, deep. That doesn't seem very measly. You know, like they write, I measly's a word I put in there, but they write it like, yeah, it just starts at $2,000. For a fee starting at $2,000, anyone can pay to have a journalist's story investigated by former intelligence operatives who are just always straight shooters and judged by quote, and I shit you not. This is what it says. An AI tribunal consisting of major language models. Nice. The primary objective objections, criticisms, and concerns surrounding the platform. Oh, I don't know. Chilling free press media lawyers and press freedom advocates argue the platform serves as an intimidation tactic. So on, a platform run by one of the billionaires who runs the world and controls basically like a lot of the intelligence apparatus that's being input into all these fucking powerful governments around the world could somehow be against, you know, free press and be an intimidator. That would never happen. Yeah. Because they run good biz. And yeah, a great biz. And they're all about freedom. So it says by allowing the wealthy to initiate rapid pseudo legal investigations, it can harass reporters and discourage them from tackling tough and basket pieces. One thing I don't want to get lost in this, by the way, like don't, don't miss hear me. I'm not sitting here arguing that like the free press has been a modicum of truth and transparency at all, especially in recent history. I mean, I can go all the way back many decades in the history here. But yes, we have watched the press fail. We have watched the press be bought off. We have watched the press fall under the thumb of intelligence officials and, you know, deep state kind of things. Like, let's not get that lost here. This is a prime example of where the pendulum swung into such a bad place that the equal but opposite reaction is now powerful fucking intelligence billionaire saying, don't worry. I know the pain of this too. Remember what Gawker did to him and now he sued him and basically ended Gawker because they added them and stuff like that. I'll come in and take care of it. And he's going to take care of it by committing, you know, the same, the same types of sins from the direct other side. It's like communism and fascism. I'm not saying that as a parallel here. I'm saying like as an opposite kind of thing, like they both have the same end result. It's just a different way to get to the solutions. Another concern is the weaponized fact-checking critics view the platform as pay-to-play, which they're right about because, by the way, these investigations start at 2000. But if you really want it the way, I think you'll see it in article in a minute. Actually, I have it right there. Objection assigns a human investigator at the $2,000 price tier, a college graduate. That's all you get for $2,000. So you're basically, you know, you're getting some guy that can show you got a bachelor's degree. That's it. But you're paying two grand for him to look into it. At $10,000, now it's really up there. You get a former CIA or FBI agent who definitely is unbiased and has absolutely no ties to anything that could be bad or have a different motivation behind it. And of course, Peter Tielin Palantir have no ties to either of these organizations, right? So the CIA or FBI agent could gather evidence, which is displayed as exhibits. Yada, yada, yada. And I'm going to get into that story that this one author did a really cool example of like where it can go. But anyway, weaponized fact-checking. So critics view the platform as pay to play. Like I said, then they also have a concern about hostility to anonymous sources. The platform automatically devalues anonymous sources because credible investigative journalism often relies on whistleblowers who need anonymity for protection. The standard threatens to penalize highly accurate essential reporting. And here's one where I'm going to see both ends of the spectrum and agree it's both bad here. Anonymous sources have both been the greatest thing to ever happen to journalism and the absolute worst thing to ever happen to journalism. Because editorial teams can decide to lie about things and hide behind anonymous sources behind the scenes to get a greater narrative out. Maybe have to be heasted their bosses, the people they really work for. Or anonymous sources have been something where if the person ever actually came out, they'd be killed and their whole bloodline would be killed. But because they can do an anonymously and behind the scenes, they can actually break a serious big story. So you get the best and worst of the world's there. And this right here could just eliminate the whole thing altogether, do with that what you will. There's also - Also, unproven AI reliability. We're lying on an AI tribunal, which is just, the words AI tribunal. - That's good. - Like, I know Peter Teel's, his brain works a little differently and stuff, but like, just write that, not that he gives a fuck, but write that on a whiteboard, write it out 10 times, and then just sit back and stare at it, AI tribunal, and ask yourself if that sounds dystopian or not, and count to five before you give a real answer. I mean, what are we even doing here? Critics point out that large language models are known to quote hallucinate, and lack the human judgment, contextual awareness, and editorial oversight necessary to properly vet investigative journalism. There's also a conflict of interest, which of course is the whole thing. The platform's creators Peter Teel and Aaron DeZooza, who previously orchestrated the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, the bankrupted Gawker, which is what I referred to, where Peter Teel funded that, have a longstanding animosity towards traditional media and a personal stake in protecting wealthy figures from press scrutiny. So can you pull up where it says, "Sackler investigation?" So this is from the Hollywood reporter. I want to get this journalist's name. I don't think I was familiar with that. It's not Peggy Wood. Oh, okay, okay. Wasn't it Poppy Wood? Yeah, sorry, Bob. So Gary Baum, a Peter Teel backdrop, I'm a generalist, putting journalists on trial, I'm its first target. The billionaire has redeemed with the legal strategies who helped bring down Gawker to start an AI-powered appeals court for the rich and aggrieved. For many journalists, blowback is just a part of business. The array called to the editor or publisher, often expressed through the promise of litigation, the online pile-on, often expressed through personal and effective, occasionally the threat of violence, often expressed through all caps derangement. It's rare to encounter a novel variant, but on April 2nd I received a remarkable email. Quote, "Someone has filed an objection. "Objection, your honor. "Objection." Again, something you wrote explained Austin Livingston, pointing me to a webpage where Purdue pharma air Michael Sackler. You read that correctly, one of the fucking Sacklers from the opioid crisis. A film financier, which I'm sure he is a film genius and there's no nepotism there whatsoever, and self-styled ethical investor. Does he really call himself again? I feel like we have to have an optics class every week. Optics, Michael. The word ethical, just. Well, he's involved in a cool new startup, that's ethical. Even if it's your family and it wasn't you, if I gave you that benefit of the doubt and I'm probably not gonna do that, but if I did, maybe just keep that word away. That's good for thought, anyway. So, self-styled ethical investor had paid a new startup, fittingly called objection, which again, this kid's, I mean, he's worth billions of dollars. That's ethical. So he can afford to do investigations like this left and right. You and me can't fucking pay to do this. You and me out there can't fucking pay to do this all the time. To access the legitimacy of a skeptical article I published about him and his business in the Hollywood reporter five years earlier. So he's trying to fix his SEO. Let's go down. This is just like, oof. Livingston, a young staffer who describes his job on LinkedIn as simply creating shareholder value noted that an AI tribunal would attempt to quote adjudicate a determination of truth, unquote. An AI tribunal would attempt to adjudicate a determination of truth. George Orwell couldn't have written that bar if he had every fucking great songwriter in there with him while he was writing these books. And the announced outcome quote will also affect your honor index score, a measure of the veracity of your publish work. He went on adding quote, you can argue your side by uploading your evidence and suggesting your interpretation of the allegation, which will automatically get denied by the AI on the other side, be an auto reply email. Because that's how they always work on all these platforms. I peruse the web page, the author says, designated Sackler V Bomb, 2026. So they even put it like a court case. It featured a countdown clock ticking towards an apparent verdict. Then I read up on the company, which is backed by the prominent right-wing billionaire Peter Teal, who waged a legal war against Galker Media after a published coverage about its business interest and personal life, which upset him. The effort led to the outlets demise. First glance, objection seemed to be a kangaroo court, catering to rich and infamous plaintiffs, the latest service and lucrative sector of digital reputation management. So I, the author, replied to Livingston explaining I'd consulted with my editors and Hollywood reporter believes the article stands on its own. However, I was interested in writing about objection. Two weeks later, I found myself in a revealing and at times baffling exchange with the Oxford educated brain trust behind the firm about the nature of truth, trust, transparency, and power. Objections founder and CEO is Aaron D'Souza. Now, side note, I was told about this guy years ago. I did not know who he was. And this is-- so I even say specifically when this was. I was told about this guy in detail by someone in Noom in early 2021. And this was during time where I didn't know much about like, oh, the shit Peter Teal was doing. I knew about Peter Teal, the businessman, and the investor. And I was like, really into how VCs worked and all that. So I was like, Peter Teal was a legend. I mean, you know, he was like, oh, my God, this guy is like incredible when he's able to pull off. So obviously, change that opinion once I was presented with better evidence. That said, he is a very smart guy. You have to know your enemy. I'll never take that away from him. He's a very, very smart guy. But this dude never sat right with me when he was explaining to me his style, how he did things. It's strictly a vibe check. I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, I could have, at the time, based on what I was told, pointed this evidence, and that evidence, to say this thing, and that thing, therefore makes him a bad person or a guy that's very suspicious. It was just like, he sounded like a zealot, like someone who had a preconceived idea of what he wanted a final result to be, and said, I don't give a fuck who has to die for me to get there. That's how he came across to me. And now he's being written about here. So Aaron DeZooza, an Australian entrepreneur and provocateur, best known as the master mob behind Teal's litigation strategy against Gawker, which involved a patient extensive research search for the ideal proxy plaintiff to sink the online news outlet. The campaign quietly funded by the tech investor, culminated in Hulk Hogan's successful invasion of privacy suit, RIP Hulk, and ultimately helped force Gawker into bankruptcy. Teal's involvement with DeZooza as the intermediary to Hogan attorney Charles Harder was exposed after the verdict. Let's keep going right here. More recently, Teal is back to Suza's company and Hans Games dubbed the steroid olympic. So he's the guy running that, which offers athletes financial incentives to compete under rules that allow performance enhancing drugs, the company which also counts Donald Trump Jr. as a key investor, as they're all always tied, when public and early made. To discuss objection, DeZooza and I convene for a video call, along with the company's chief technology officer Kyle Grant Talbot. They played rugby together at Oxford, DeZooza and his signature quarter zip of the startup Tridesman, exuded the confidence of Vanessa someone long adept at raising money. Grant Talbot, an Englishman whose CV includes engineering stints at NASA and SpaceX struck me as a more grounded counterpart. DeZooza, who's long had the notion of rating news out, let's start objection after an extended discussion about the concept with the prominent Silicon Valley investor entrepreneur Balaji Shrivenson. I never remember how it pronounced his name. He now has stakes in both objection and the Hans Games. The Gawker litigation taught me the courts are too slow and they're too expensive said DeZooza. It's the most like, I mean, I'm not so disagreeing with the bottom welcome, welcome to reality. I completely agree with them, but it's just like the most casual way these VC guys put it. Yeah, we got to optimize the efficiency, you know, of course, we're just gonna buy it. So in 2016, after we won the Gawker verdict and Gawker went bankrupt, I considered the idea of buying Gawker and turning it into a news rating website. A decade later, he explains where the first people to sell adjudication, very legal term, by the way, as a service, compared his venture, comparing his venture to well-respected legal bodies like Jams, Siaq and the International Chamber of Commerce, which specializes in alternative dispute resolution outside traditional judicial systems. They're private arbitration courts that are very trusted methods of true seeking. Of course, these are consensual private forums. Everything's consensual. Objection issues, public verdicts based on investigations paid for by one party, which may be negatively impacted by the refusal of the other side to participate in this process. Let's keep going. The Susan grew up in Melbourne, the youngest of three brothers and son of a research scientist. His PhD is an intellectual property law. Now splitting his time between London and New York, he's the type of inveterate founder who's constantly grint, ginning up business plans. They can be boring, like attack infrastructure firm, niche, a chief of staff association, or whimsical, a notion to fund an Australian poet laureate. His ideas have been nurtured within a close and influential cohort. There's this group of us. It's 15 to 20 of us that are gay entrepreneurs, and we've all holidayed together for years to Susan told the Sydney Morning Herald in February. It's an extraordinary tight community that has propelled me and all of us together to the heights of capitalism. To him, it's unsurprising that these parodime shifting overachievers are all gay. Sighting the landmark 1973 book The Best Little Boy in the World about how the pursuit of ambition and excellence can help closeted young men deflect from their sexuality. The shoes that has observed the. his friends are quote the best little boys in the world. They all went to the fanciest universities and won all the prizes. I'm sorry, that's just weird. That's that like that has some Lolita book sitting in Epstein's Office vibes to it. I don't know. What does that have to do with anything? Like, oh, so we're gay and therefore we're smart and we just stick together and we're most adept to run. Like what? Who's ever said that? What is your sexual orientation have to do with whether or not you're great at running a fucking, that's a dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. It's also evolutionarily makes no sense, by the way. But like, what a fucking weirdo. We are run by fucking weirdos literally. So yeah, these guys are starting a company that is paid a play for the wealthy like the Sacklers to think of how many investigations simultaneously Michael Sackler could fund to fixes SEO. It's paid a play to fix SEO and your reputation online. So, uh, $2,000, $10,000 for a CIA guy inside jobber. I'll take 100. Fix every one of these. Give it to the AI Tribunal. I already know the result. By the way, if it costs me another 10 to make sure I get the result I need after the right props, do that. Right in your face, they're doing Zoom calls bragging to reporters about it in mainstream publications. And it's going to happen, just like Palantir happened. It just happened. See, oh, ain't you tell invested in an '03? Oh, then the same guy was like the earliest fucking board member at Facebook. Oh, and then he's funding Donald Trump in the office. Oh, then they put JD Vance on the ticket and moved to a fucking Argentina afterwards. Oh, he's been a bunkers and fucking New Zealand and art and guess what? He's gay. Yeah, he's, he's part of the crib, part of the little boys club or whatever. Also a very creepy little boy, creepy way to put it, by the way, that I'm remembering that right. The best little boy in the world. Best little boy. Yeah, that's I don't even need to read that book to not be creeped out by that. It's so obvious. And again, I am all for fixing the journalistic system. I am all for trying to take it apart piece by piece and getting back to the brass tax of what it was supposed to be. Reporting on truth, regardless of where the reporting leads you to said truth or what that truth is, that's what it's supposed to be. Just the facts and Peter teal is right. We've got away from that. But Peter teal doesn't care about facts pure spec here guys like this don't care about facts though in my opinion. He cares about using the Trojan horse of the people that he doesn't like failing to report the facts by then saying here's the Trojan horse of what the facts actually are. But inside is all the people who are going to go report the things that meet his narratives that also maybe in another direction are not facts at all. Now I sit here this episode's coming out on July 4th, 2026, 250 years ago. A bunch of dudes got in a beer hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and obviously a crossway of putting it. But it's actually on July 2nd where they voted to agree upon the Declaration of Independence itself. I believe the vote was 12 to zero and one colony in New York abstained. But July 4th is always listed as the date of the official Declaration of Independence because that is I believe when it was released to the public and you know the good people of Philadelphia and other colonies could read about it and read what Thomas Jefferson had written which to this day is quite quite a brilliant document with a lot of brilliant thoughts in there that certainly set the pathway for a lot of the great freedoms that in spite of people like Peter Teal and guys like that who are threatening it right now that we do still enjoy today and has created an experiment that document ended up creating an experiment of a country that is still an experiment but has seen a lot of good come out of that and is at a critical moment right now to determine the chart forward to be able to determine whether or not you know good will win out and whether or not something like this experiment can actually succeed instead of fail. We've never seen as far as I know in the context of world history this much of quote a multicultural environment forming over so many years and morphing and changing and having this melting pot effect to the degree that we've seen with America and I think that's the most beautiful part about what we have you know we can have important arguments about you know whether how the border may be having problems and if it needs to be more secure and stuff like that and fixing the immigration system and everything but I do love the fact that we're made up of so many different ideas that have been exported to come together and try to form the best ideas in this country but as Bruce Lee said and I've often quoted on this show you know you got to take the good things and discard the bad and right now it feels like we're taking a lot of bad things sometimes from where we've gotten as as a culture at this point and we're we're discarding some of the good things and I think that also starts with documents like the Declaration of Independence and like the Constitution Declaration written 250 years ago Constitution I guess like 237 years ago 238 years ago whatever it is you know wear these founding fathers who were still flawed men living in flawed times with you know certainly enormous moral mistakes obviously including slavery and and their failure to abolish that at the time and some of them also taking part in it to be clear but like I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater the brilliance of the things that they were able to write out starting with the First Amendment itself and obviously what was the Constitution guaranteeing the right to free speech and the ability for all of us whether it's sitting in a seat like this or standing out in the middle of the square out there or sitting in the U.S. Congress addressing the people that are duly elected to supposedly represent us the ability to be able to do that without the fear of being arrested or having your views canceled is a critical critical tenant of this country and it's something that we have seen under attack in multiple different directions specifically over the last decade decade and a half and I think there have been some decent improvements in the way of the free speech issue over the last couple years with some more leeway if you will online but I think the fact that I even have to use a term leeway underscores the fact that we have a real problem here and that we have created a society that has separated class structure in such a way that the founding fathers warned about it descending into tyranny. Now before I get to just examples of where the left and right in their own ways have gone completely wrong on this and I think the last two administrations are perfect examples of that Joe Biden and Donald Trump before I get there there were some very pressure warnings that I think the two greatest Americans in my opinion made and to me that the two greatest Americans at least from that era and I would argue maybe ever were Ben Franklin and George Washington and these these were different met Ben Franklin was a polymath a genius a man of the world a cultured man a certified DO double G dog too you know he lived across the sea and over here for long stints in his life and he was a brilliant word Smith and someone who was one of the greatest diplomats to ever live he understood he understood how to push people's buttons very carefully and slowly to the point where they felt like they were making their own decisions when they were really just doing what he wanted them to do and you know he was instrumental in many ways not just in obviously declaring independence from Britain but in us winning that war being the selected diplomat from 1776 through the end of the war with over in Paris and securing the support of the French and the war which really helped put us over the top especially I mean it was their fleet at Yorktown that corner of Cornwallis's army and for all intensive purposes brought the war very close to a close you know so Ben Franklin though had lived a whole life before the revolution happened as a loyal subject to Britain for most of it and you know this is a guy who was so brilliant and so well taught that I think what off it gets overlooked is his innate ability to completely understand human nature and things about it that do not change. And so he warned about several things. You've heard me quote it before. He said anyone who would give up a little bit of liberty for a little more safety deserves neither liberty nor safety. I believe that's the direct quote. It's at least paraphrased almost correctly. And you know, I'll explain in a minute with like something Trump tweeted out that I've mentioned before about the FICE of 702. You literally had a president in the United States tweet out symbolically as we head into the 250th year. You know, I'm willing to give up a little bit of my freedom to make sure that we're more safe. I mean, he literally did the meme of the other quote. And if that doesn't show you how much the coin is flipped here or things have gotten so far off what this thing started as, I mean, that's just one of many examples. Benjamin Franklin also warned about the fragility of the Republic. And he was once quoted as saying after the Constitutional Convention, well, he was asked, I'm reading this directly off the screen right here. He was famously asked by a citizen whether the Constitutional Convention had created a monarchy or a republic and replied, a republic, if you can keep it. He understood that generationally, as things get farther and farther away from the very thing that created the impetus, the reason for something to exist in the first place, the understanding of what created that gets farther and farther into the rear view to the point that you cannot see it. We have passed that point. I would argue a while ago. We are now seeing massive downstream effects of that. He also warned about the danger of public corruption. Franklin frequently warned that the Republic relies entirely on the morality and virtue of its citizens. He cautioned that when the populist becomes too corrupt and self-serving, they lose their capacity for self-governments and inevitably pave the way for tyranny or despotism. Listen to that again. He cautioned when the populist becomes too corrupt and self-serving. And I'm going to translate Dr. Franklin right there and put that more towards when the people who can do something about the levers of power become too corrupt and self-serving. You get tyranny. We have watched the elite class. I would argue really since World War II, slowly and then all of a sudden, go from having this much more wealth than everyone to this much more wealth. And apparently they're fucking eating kids along the way sometimes, per respect. But you know, you read the documents and certainly some interesting things going on. And we have seen that there are some very sick people up there who are allowed to get away with it. Why? Because they have their hands on the grips of power. That's what he's talking about right there. And finally, Dr. Franklin also warned about the tyranny of the majority. Franklin warned about the dangers of factionalism and someone's fucking dying outside. What the fuck is happening? 250, dude. 250, popping off. They're like, fuck, get this country and the ambulance, take it to the emergency room. Anyway. Two way. Two way, baby. Franklin warned about the dangers of factionalism and the oppression of minorities by majority rule. He argued that a government that legislates in favor of one part of the nation to the prejudice and oppression of another is fundamentally flawed. And this is what's so fascinating. We live in a world now where forget the fact that someone from Montana can have a good understanding of the click of a button about the culture in New York City. A person from Montana can have an understanding about the culture in fucking Paris at the click of a button. Or in a certain name of foreign place around the world at the click of a button. And yet we are more factionalized, not sure if that's a word, but you know what I mean? Then ever, because it is also social media when it was built to connect us has also created the very impetus to divide us by finding everything that's different about each other and being suspicious about it. And I'm not sitting here saying Ben Franklin saw social media coming and the internet and say that would have been impossible. But he did see what happens when places become too self interested to not take care of the whole. It's not to say you need to create the socialist utopia or anything like that. That's not what he was saying at all. But he's like, you have to at least, you need to know what's going on with your neighbor. You need to be more connected. You know, I was talking about with Doug Roshkov yesterday, 25 years ago, 30 years ago, neighbors raised each other's kids, you know, they went into each other's houses and shit. Now, you don't even know your fucking neighbor. Very, very strange and anti-evolutionary. And then you have our first president and the general of the Continental Army, George Washington, who I am working my way through H.W. Brands' latest book that came out in May on George Washington, obviously just had H.W. Brands in for episode 442, which was, he was a great white buffalo for me. It's one of the greatest American historians to ever live. He's written 42 American history books in 39 years, multi-time Pulitzer nominee, time to give the guy Pulitzer, by the way. But, you know, just brilliant, brilliant historian and I really, really enjoyed that conversation. But George Washington, again, like everyone else, certainly out of his flaws and everything, he was such a measured man and he was a lifelong trained brave, seen battle soldier who literally was like on the front lines with his men for seven years at our war. You know, he went there with them at Valley Forge, he went there with them at Morristown. He was, he walked the talk and he didn't demand respect, he commanded respect. But Washington warned of a few different things, especially when he was leaving office in 1796 after he set the precedent of two terms for president and get the hell out of there, which was also a pretty cool thing. He set executive overreach and the administrative state was a problem because the Constitution grants all legislative powers to Congress. Today, federal agencies like the EPA or the FDA issue extensive rules and regulations with the force of law shift towards big government that organizations, some argue bypass the system of direct representation, the founders intended and again, George Washington specifically would look at something like this and say, we got to have some balance of power, which also obviously includes the balance of power with what states have a right to do, which is a constant argument we have back and forth. I think there's a reason to be have some balance there, you know, between what say Republicans want and what Democrats want, that's just my personal political opinion, and I think not to speak for George Washington, but I think he had some understanding of that. This was a guy who was a friend with some federalists and, you know, guys that wanted the very centralized government and a friend with some Democratic Republicans, I think they were called at the time, which, you know, wanted the states to have all the power and everything. He also warned about political partisanship over unity, which I just kind of made that point for you right there. He understood what it meant to be able to find common ground, compensate for each other's different opinions, and be able to move forward with something that can make everyone at least a little bit happy. And we've gotten very far away from that as a country. But he put out an amazing quote, particularly in his famous farewell address published in a Philadelphia newspaper on September 19, 1796, which is the biggest warning that I want to zone in on here. And his farewell address, Washington famously referred to foreign influence as quote, one of the most baneful foes of Republican government. He specifically cautioned Americans against making permanent political alliances with other countries so that the young United States could say independent and focus on its own growth. Quote, "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, I conjured you to believe me, fellow citizens, the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of a Republican government. And if that is not a fucking theme that is coming on the other side, all the way to the forefront in 2026, I can't help you. Whether you look at the global stretch of a scandal like Epstein and all the different countries and interests involved with allowing something like that to exist or do these horrible crimes and say nothing of all the financial crimes as well." Or you look at wars that are happening that are in the interest of a country like Israel whose interests have been in a lot of ways coming into our intelligence apparatus and giving us bad intelligence to do their interests at our fucking cost over in the Middle East, which we've seen again and again. George Washington forced all this. He warned about it. Right now we haven't listened. Now in the last two administrations, and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss a point here. So I literally bullet pointed it so I wouldn't forget it later and kick myself. But when you look at Biden, I would say things that saw terrible destruction under Biden were free speech via censorship. We saw a lot of that including the White House trying to coordinate behind the scenes with social media organizations to get people banned. Personal choice via mandates. Obviously everyone's arguing about whether or not you should be able to put something in your own body or not and they wanted the force you to do that. They couldn't define what the fucking gender was. That was just against like basic common sense. They got us entangled in more foreign wars with Ukraine and then the post-October 7 disaster. They weaponized the DOJ which has now led to Trump responding by doing the same thing and has created a tit for tat weaponization back and forth that is very important. scary to me over the long term. They opened up the border, which created mass chaos. And I think that was the point. And there was massive family corruption. I'm not going to go through all them right now, but we've seen all the different things with the Burisma scandal, different quotes about the big guy coming from Hunter Biden as it relates to Chinese business interests and stuff like that. It was a family pay to play. Then you get Trump, who comes into office and says, "Well, I'm going to pose all this." And by the way, righteously pointed out many things that are Biden, that Biden, and I really always call it the administration because Biden wasn't even alive, but like the people around him, including his family, were trampling on the Constitution. Trump called out these things correctly in many cases about what they were doing to do that. And then proceeded to get us into more endless wars that he claimed he wasn't going to get us into. And now he's trying to end it. And they're trying to sabotage him left and right because why the interests of a foreign nation have gotten into the conversation quite literally to the tune of $232 million just to Trump alone from donations that we know about related to APEC and pro-Israeli interests. He's deporting students for advocating free space for speaking out in the First Amendment against the foreign government, by the way. That's, I don't think the founders would have liked that one. He immediately partnered with Larry Ellison and Sam Altman and the technocrats who were the types of people that at least symbolically he would rail against for spying on citizens and starting a technocratic, you know, a authoritarian state. He partnered with them day one and it's back to huge mergers for the Ellisons and particularly for them to be able to control media, CNN, TikTok, you name very fucking wise running all these places. Like why is that? That seems to be very anti-free speech. He obviously, as I mentioned a few minutes ago, advocated for FISA 702. There's been executive overreach for sure. Sometimes it'll even be on something that like selfishly, I'm like, that's not the worst policy, but that's not the way to do it. And I should add a couple of those examples written out, but we can find them on true social with some executive actions he's taking. Because by the way, Biden signed more executive actions. I believe than any president in history and he was doing it with an auto pen. So let's not forget that. Like these presidents are just doing this back and forth and it's wrong. And then the Trump families involved in corruption report just came out yesterday. They reported like a billion dollars or something and fucking earnings from a bunch of rug pools on crypto. We laid out the story a couple of weeks about a couple of weeks ago about Trump juniors investment company investing in some small North Carolina and fucking defense firm or contractor or something that then was brought to the front of the line for the Pentagon to award a 600, what was it? 600 million dollar contract or something like that? We've talked a lot about the cushioners and need to talk about that more about the, I don't know, two billion dollars. They got back in the day even during Trump term one or right after Trump term one. I should say from the Saudis and how much Jared Kushner this unelected fucking moron is going around the world trying to be a diplomat in the war. No one elected him and is also backing it with business interests on the other end. He's talking with people in many cases he's trying to business with not necessarily the Iranians, but you understand when I'm getting at here. It's the same thing. Bar for bar work for work. He's even got his daughter-in-law working in the fucking media. Say why are people complaining about that doing softball interviews with him? Imagine if Biden were doing that. Imagine if Ashley Biden were interviewing Joe Biden in office. People would be flipping the fuck out. And then of course I already highlighted the technocrat alliances, but there is the billionaire class alliances. The same club that Donald Trump claimed to have access to and warned people about years ago are the same people he's partner with. And he puts in all these positions, whether it's Tom Baroque, another Epstein friend, you know, to be ambassador in this place or that place. Multiple places now. Or you know, some of the technocrats who as I said are, you know, being basically hard to spy on people. He's doing that. And the biggest letdown of them all is is he was the president that promised to come in and release the Epstein files. And now he's decided to call it a hoax, even though he knew Epstein, which is not a good look. And you know, has hired his own personal attorney to be attorney general to defy a law that requires him to release three more million documents that we have every fucking right to see. These are all trends that are in the direction of the very types of things that the founders were looking to fight against. So yes, we have strayed very far. We have gotten 40 trillion dollars in debt. We have got embroiled in way too many foreign interests to the point that we are taking our own interests and putting that in the 10th fucking seat. Society has become very wealth gapped. And the elites have taken such a control that it is descending into that potential tyranny type scenario that Ben Franklin warned about. And yes, technology, which of course the lengths of that the founders could not have foreseen has gotten to a point where it's already run out of control and divided us. And now it threatens to be with AI something that could outthink us, which is certainly a huge issue. So these are all bad things. But as we sit here at 250 years, I do think the good has far outweighed the bed. That's not a popular thing to say these days. But of course, we always look inward and you know, at times where more people are not being able to afford things. It was a 54% of Americans only have $500 or less in their savings account. And we are not the modicum example of what a great nation should be from everything to education, literacy rates, wealth gap, all that different stuff. I still think that there are so many examples of stuff that has never worked in history with cultures coming together that we have been able to at least get to this point to work and not have like active warfare, by the way, on our own soil that like that's a W. Maybe that's the optimist to me, but that's how I look at it. And so the question now becomes, and I think this is a great symbolic time to really have a hard look in the mirror here regardless of whatever your political stances are. The question becomes, how do we form more places of unity across the aisles here of different people? And this is a really interesting audience to talk to because I have an audience that very much seems to be like 50/50 on each end of the spectrum. And then there's a middle segment there of people who are very disillusioned politically and really don't lean one way or the other. So I'm talking to a pretty good chances are a pretty good segment right here. Now's the time to figure out what things we can all agree on even if we don't have a full agreement on the solutions and at least try to come together rather than yell at each other on social media all the time. And so go study up on what these guys did back in 1776 and in the years they followed. Look at the rest they took and the leap that they made to try to make a better future for everyone. And as we celebrate this July 4th and I know how I'll have a great time celebrating and I hope all you out there do as well. Don't lose some fingers on fireworks and stuff but as we celebrate it let's think about how we can chart a better way forward and take some of these really negative things we've seen trend wise recently and turn that into something better in the next generation where there's more opportunity and we also don't turn against the whole world either. I don't think isolationism is a good idea to be clear and I don't think the founders did either. I think it's a matter of looking out for our interest and making sure we're in a good position and therefore we can lead by example in the world. So happy 4th. Joey D if don't lose any fingers. Nope but that said give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up guys thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed please hit that subscribe button before you leave as well as leave a like on the video to Huchu Chop. 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