New Press Secretary Already Fired, Kelly Clarkson Security Footage, and Casey Anthony Has Thoughts on Shane Gillis, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1420

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Don't let scammers have the upper hand. That's HomeTitleLock.com promo code MEGAN30 to get peace of mind today. If she was 17, as she now claims, then she could have legally become a citizen at the same time as her father. If. Her father had filled out the necessary paperwork. If she was actually 18, she would have been required to go through the immigration process independently. Now, Omar and her father came to the United States in 1995 as Somali refugees via Kenya and supposedly became citizens in 2000 when they were allegedly naturalized. They'd been here five years as refugees, then after five years became citizens thanks to naturalization. Or so she claims. Federal agents raided her D.C. residence on Monday. And while her husband has been seen there recently, Representative Omar's whereabouts are unknown. Where is she? Where's her sister? Here's Jesse Waters' report last night, which includes Fox News Digital, catching up with Omar's husband, Tim Minette. Watch. Day four of World War XI. The investigation. Into Ilhan Omar. And no ceasefire in sight. On Monday, agents raided her house. Tonight, Fox is learning she was inside the house when they came. Now, it appears she's gone into hiding. We've seen her husband every day outside their D.C. home. But the question everyone's asking is, where's Omar? There are rumors that the congresswoman left the country. Is that true? She's still. I'm going to hell out of all the neighbors around here, man. And then there's her sister, Sara Noor. Who's reportedly been subpoenaed, along with 11 other people in Omar's inner circle. So, last we heard, the feds are still trying to reach her. Which is weird, because she's on tour right now. In Minnesota. She's based in Kenya. Moved back to Africa in 2024. But this month, she's back in the U.S. of A. Hawking a book. Her memoir. Salt in the Snow. Omar is still posting on social media. Celebrating a piece in the Washington Post, which I'll get to in a minute. Which reported that the Department of Homeland Security, during the first Trump administration, back in 2019, looked into Omar's citizenship issues and found insufficient evidence of wrongdoing. There's a lot more to the Washington Post report than that. That's a great headline. Insufficient evidence. I mean, it's not that great. No evidence of wrongdoing would be better. Insufficient is a judgment card. And I, for one, have questions about why these alleged immigration officials, who purportedly worked on that probe, are speaking to the Washington Post. Guaranteed. And by the way, they're all ex-immigration officials now, per the Post. So, you tell me why an immigration official that was there during Trump won, who would run to the Washington Post to say, oh, there was insufficient evidence when we looked into this. And raise questions about whether this is a proper inquiry to begin with. Now, why would they do that? Clearly, these are Democrats who were part of a left-wing piece of the administration that Trump inherited, who were on Team Omar. Because this is not over. Not by far. And there are some glaring questions about Ilhan Omar's immigration history that even CNN was wrestling with yesterday. You should have seen poor Jake Tapper. He was looking for any way out of the maze and couldn't find it. Okay. But insufficient evidence of wrongdoing at the time the immigration officials allegedly looked into this, according to the Washington Post, in 2019. So, Ilhan Omar now spiking the ball, thanks to her pals at the Washington Post, who are trying to whitewash her. Writing her history, writing, quote, Thank you to everyone who stood with me over the years. It's been a scary journey, but I've always been grounded in my work and ability to provide exemplary service to my constituents. Trump and his admin have. I've been after me since I arrived in Congress. I've always stood up to him, and that will never change. The pedophile protector will never silence me. Missing from there is I am a legitimate U.S. citizen and can prove it. Where's that? This woman's in trouble. She's in trouble. Here's the problem for her. Okay. This Washington Post piece says, We looked into whether the father was working. He was working for some warlord and shouldn't have been granted asylum as an alleged educator or refugee status and then allowed to naturalize. We looked into that, and we didn't find sufficient evidence of it. Again, here we are. Insufficient evidence of that. So, yeah, we just. The quote in the Washington Post is, I think her citizenship is solid. I think, says this former official. One former official familiar with the earlier effort. I think her citizenship is solid. And there. There wasn't any fraud there. That's what he thinks, based on insufficient evidence. Okay? But they point out that. Okay, hold on a second. I'm trying to look for the quote. I can't find it, but I'll get to it. In any event, they don't have hardcore evidence disproving any of this. All right? And they barely looked into it. That's what the Washington Post piece also makes clear. They began a preliminary inquiry, and then. They started a swift review examining her history. Her family's past as Somali refugees, and rumors that had circulated for years in conservative media over her marriage. Homeland security investigations, the investigative arm of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ultimately determined that there was insufficient evidence of wrongdoing, one of the former officials said. The idea of pursuing a full investigation was eventually abandoned. So they did a swift preliminary review, and then. They did a swift preliminary review that led to one guy saying he thinks her citizenship is solid, and there wasn't any fraud there, but they abandoned a full investigation. Okay? That's the big scoop from the Washington Post today, attempting to push us all off of this. There's no there there. Move on. This is a non-story. Oh, wait, it's already been investigated. It's done. All right. But here's the problem for Ilhan Omar. There is the possibility. I don't know whether they've got the documentation. Okay, this guy seems to be suggesting they looked into something, something around the dad's naturalization in 2000 and the attempt to naturalize Ilhan Omar. What did he see? What document did you look at, sir? Where's the excerpt of it in the Washington Post? What the Post is reporting is, oh, they talked about it orally because they were worried about putting something down. In writing and emailing it to each other. So there may have been a memo, but it was only discussed in a meeting because no one wanted to email. What? Why? This stinks to high heaven. And here's the reason. I would have said this even without this, A.J. Kern, that that whole story smells. But there is the matter of former congressional candidate and Ilhan Omar primary opponent, A.J. Kern, who we played to you earlier this week. She did her own investigation. She had a feeling. She had a feeling. she was running against somebody who might not be a lawful citizen. She found that Omar's father might never have been naturalized. He might never have become a citizen at all. We played you the soundbite where she went to the local office and got them on camera saying they don't verify somebody's citizenship when they try to run for office. And apparently, unbeknownst to most of us, they don't even verify that when you've won your race and you're about to be sworn in. No one ever verifies that you're actually a U.S. citizen. It's just an honor system. And then we played you earlier this week that she contacted immigration officials via two different official lanes and demanded to see the paperwork that would prove Ilhan Omar and, of course, her dad, since her citizenship was derivative, if at all, had lawfully become citizens of the United States by naturalization. In 2000, as has been Ilhan Omar's story, and the reporting was they said they had no documentation, that Kern was told via both lanes, immigration officials in the admin at the time, this is 2019, there was no paperwork. They could find none. Well, our pal Benny Johnson had AJ Kern on yesterday and talked about what exactly she did after Omar's father passed away from complications. He said he was a very good friend of mine. And he said he was a very good friend of mine. because while the Washington Post Post did its best today to whitewash all of this history. The Elmy piece of this actually incriminates her. Even the Washington Post's reporter, report today, incriminates her. It reports that Elmy, when he was married to her and had like an immigration pass to be here because of the marriage, got greedy and he applied for a green card under the U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services. And guess what? They finally wanted more information about his marriage to Omar. I wonder why. And guess what Elmy did when the U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services said, we're not sure we're going to give you a green card. We need more information about your immigration status. He withdrew the damn application. He withdrew it. How many frauds have been committed here? Is she an illegal alien? Did she get her illegal alien brother over here who took advantage of us for years before getting greedy and finally getting almost caught? Don't tell me this is done, Washington Post, with your preliminary look done on a quick basis that did not result in a full investigation. A full investigation. Is now required and is underway. This is not retribution. This is the unearthing of a scoundrel once and for all. What has she done? Where is her paperwork? Even if you accept you can't prove birth year on a refugee, which is bullshit, that there's family members. That's why she's got a dozen subpoenas out to family members right now. The DOJ does. And I have no idea whether they're going to be truthful. I doubt it. But, you know, they seized her passport. They seized her phone. They're looking at her phone right now. Wonder what's on there. Right. So there is a way of proving birth date. And I'll bet they're working to get to the bottom of that right now. But if you become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you have paperwork. So let's see it. That should be very easy to produce. The big bad government lost it because they lose forms. It's a little coincidental, but OK, maybe they did. Your dad would have had it for sure. You don't get naturalized and kind of just lose your naturalization papers. We all know we have birth certificates. We have confirmation certificates. That's what you keep in your fancy file because, you know, you're going to need that for various things in your life, like a wedding. So where are her naturalization papers? Where are they? They would be with the dads, which we're told do not exist. This is getting very interesting. But I will tell you one thing. If she's not a U.S. citizen, she's out of the U.S. Congress. And I'm sure under this administration, she will be out of the United States. They will make a massive push to get her deported. And that will turn into a lengthy litigation. And she will claim all the things. But Trump has been arresting illegals at record rates, not as fast as many of us would like, but at record rates and denaturalizing people, too. So if she can prove naturalization or at least that the process happened and that she purported to be 17 at the time, then we'll have a process to find out whether that was true. And if she was 18, it will have failed and there will be litigation about whether she has to go. And that's in the civil lane because there's no statute of limitations on suing her to deport her, to get her out of here, to make sure the citizenship is clear one way or the other. And criminally, she may have her hands full, too, either in the immigration lane. I don't know what else they have on her. And or in the criminal, in the financial disclosure lane, which is what Jeanine Pirro is reportedly looking into. Jeanine Pirro is looking into that financial disclosure where she went from making $51,000 in one year to $30 million the next and then back down to peanuts. That's a courtesy a lot of these lawmakers do for other lawmakers because their own houses are dirty. That doesn't bind Jeanine Pirro in any way, shape or form. She's allowed to use subpoena power and get to the bottom of where that money came from and then it magically went. Not to mention the fraud scandals coming out of Minnesota and the sister who we told you about yesterday had a business address that was linked to a person who committed fraud in connection with this whole Somali fraud thing being done in Minnesota. There's just there's a lot here. So thank God we now have an administration that is getting to the bottom of it, doing a thorough search on what Ilhan Omar did and what she didn't do. And don't let the Washington Post tell you there's no there there. They are scared. And running cover for one of their favorites. Stay tuned. All right, we're going to take a break. And when we come back, Maureen Callahan is here on so many juicy stories. I don't even know where to begin with her. Can we talk for a second about picky eaters? 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Try it risk-free with Ella Ola's 45-day money-back guarantee. Go to ellaola.com slash MK for 20% off your first purchase. Maureen Callahan is with us. She is the host of The Nerve, which is crushing it on YouTube and all podcast platforms. Find out more at thenerveshow.com. Maureen, my God, I would not have postponed your beginning for anyone other than Ilhan Omar, who may be an illegal. I think my favorite portmanteau of the moment may be Brusband. Brusband? Yeah, that's great. I haven't heard that one before. It's very sketchy. Let me apply for a green card now. Oh, great. Okay. Let us look into your immigration status. Oh, nevermind. I'm good. Sure. That's what all legitimate people would do. I just feel like the marrying the brother, even just for reasons like this, is crossing such a weird, creepy line. I could never get my mind past what that actually means. It's so disgusting. The nerve, truly, to steal a phrase. If she got over here, if her story's true, she was a refugee and then she naturalized thanks to the dad's in a minor, then the dad can't waver in. She has to go through it on her own. And then to have gotten away with all that, and then to get so greedy, now you got to go get the brother who didn't come over with the Omars. He went to the UK with another brother, and she's like, I can get another one. Who does she think she is? Oskar Schindler? She got him in. She's like, well, Mary, I didn't really marry the first husband who fathered all my children. That was just a Muslim ceremony. So she, quote, legally married her brother. These are the allegations. She denies them. And then that guy gets so greedy, he tries to get an actual work permit as if he actually belongs here. And they're like, hey, well, about that marriage. And he's like, oh, never mind. Also, what's wrong with the UK? Be happy you landed there. Work your way over here if you want, but that's a lovely place to wind up. The whole thing is so incredible. Honestly, if this woman has been serving in the US Congress as an illegal, it is going to be the biggest we have seen in years. Do you think, here's what I think, given where we're at now culturally, if she does not get sent to prison, she will get a reality show. Oh, I would watch that. And set up cameras in the house with the husband and the brother, the brusman. Instead of big brother, it'll be like, yeah, it's like a Brady Bunch kind of, you know, mixed family. It's a new kind of mixed family, right? It'll be brusman, brusman. I'm very into this. I cannot wait to get to the bottom of it. Maybe there's no there there. Truly, I'm open-minded, but I want to see the paperwork. Show me the paperwork. I'm a lawyer at heart. I like to see paper, actual paper. Okay. Speaking of lawyers, I guess we have to start with the press secretary because we'll do a little hard news before we move on to the others. It's not going well for the press secretary, Katie Zakaria. And something very interesting happened. So she did not have a strong debut. That was clear. I remain open-minded to a strong follow-up, right? Like she was nervous. It's, it's scary to be out there. You could make the case she shouldn't have been chosen for this role if she can't perform well under nerves and under the spotlight. Okay. But let's just see. Okay. I, I feel like They're being so hard on her, and they totally gave Karine Jean-Pierre a total pass, and all she did was read. So I object to the double standard. She never actually looked into the camera and spoke extemporaneously. She only read her stupid notebook, and what was in there wasn't very persuasive. So this girl's at least trying to speak extemporaneously, though it's not going all that well. So she goes on Fox News last night. Now, with respect to Sean Hannity, this is not a dig. This is just a truism. He's basically the spokesperson for Trump. He doesn't do anything that's going to upset Trump, who he considers his best friend. Oh. Yeah, he told me that personally. And so he's not going to go out there and try to, like, undermine him. But he gets the president's new secretary, press secretary, on and did not go easy on her. Which one should we start with, Steve, 49 or 49B? All right, we'll start with 49. Watch. Why not just say I went to Pepperdine Law School? And then took a different career path. And I took the bar once and didn't pass it. Why get into this long, drawn-out definition between the difference between a lawyer and an attorney? Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction. Why didn't you just say, I never practiced law? Well, Sean, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar. I had four kids in six years. It was never my intent to go into the practice of law. When I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted. I consulted attorneys and legal professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, both because I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, Pepperdine Law School, and in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual substantive legal experience. I wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or, excuse me, legal advice. I wasn't being paid for legal advice. I was giving a general review of the legal circumstances surrounding it. Okay. Now, that is a reference to the fact that she held herself out as a lawyer. I mean, we have a long, long-butted soundbite I could play for you of her calling herself a lawyer when she's not. She graduated from law school, but she failed the California bar exam, and she never took the California bar exam again. A press pool shouted at her, where did you pass the bar exam? And she said, China, where she did go after law school and, I guess, did some—the equivalent of, like, internship work. Not actual legal work. She did not pass a bar exam in China, nor would that be relevant to whether she's a legitimate lawyer here. And then she later said she had misheard the question and had to admit that she is not licensed to practice law anywhere and never has been. She failed the bar, and she never got her law license, and now is making an excuse about how she said lawyer but not attorney because somebody told her she could say that. Look, I don't tolerate this. You held yourself out as a lawyer. You knew very well whatever. Everybody would think when you said you were a lawyer, you were on television commenting on legal matters using that title, and that's a hard no. So I have zero problem with the press pushing her on this. And when she was asked about why you did that on Fox & Friends this morning, like, why did you do that? She just said nobody at the—they asked, do you wish you had— Explain this. Disclose this to President Trump. She said no one asked. Oh, okay. All right. So— It's on the resume, one would assume. She put it on the resume. And it's out in the public. Like, it's up to you if you've duped people, especially somebody like President Trump, into believing that you have a very important degree and that you could potentially be a real asset to him based on your legal experience to disclose that you may have overstated the case a bit. Right? Okay. So this is— Can I ask you a question? Is there a difference between— Is there a difference between lawyer and attorney? I mean, no. Okay, thank you. But apparently she has found one person at Pepperdine Law School to say so, who's now getting so dragged on X that they've had to close their account and shut off all comments. The point to me, though, is not even whether there's a difference, you know, under somebody's definition. The point is, you know very well if you say you're a lawyer, people think that you're an actual lawyer with a license to practice law. Of course. It's like saying you're a doctor when you just graduated from med school, but you didn't actually go through an internship in a residency and become an attending physician. And people would like to know that distinction. You can tell them most people haven't been to med school, so you have something more than I have. You have an M.D. I don't have an M.D. Right. But if you say I'm a lawyer and then give legal commentary, of course everybody believes you're doing that because you've had experience in the field and you've practiced law. Just ask Sunny Hostin every five seconds as a former federal prosecutor for predecessor Star Jones. Yes. I am a lawyer. That was always what she said. But this is what I kind of— I feel like this culture in terms of language, linguistics, we've moved so far away from binaries when they exist. Either you're a lawyer or you're not. You're not. Did you lie or did you not? It's not a misrepresentation. It's not that we misunderstand her. She lied. Yeah. It's puffery at a minimum. At best for her, it's puffery where you build yourself up into having more or being more than you actually do or are. But the problem is there's such hypocrisy. There's such hypocrisy in the mainstream media that doesn't care. They want us to call Al-Sayed a doctor even though he's in the same position. He's not a practicing physician. And they're giving him a total pass. They literally lectured people like me publicly everywhere for not calling Dr. Jill Biden a doctor. We all know that that is a complete stretch. And everyone knows if you want to be called a doctor. It's so like—it's a little much to be lectured by these people. Okay. But— Separate and apart from the lawyer thing, which I'm not on her side on, Hannity did not leave it at that. Like, he was needling her, which does tell me her neck is probably on the chopping block because I don't think Trump would have allowed that. I don't think Hannity would have done that if he didn't think Trump wanted him to or Trump also had questions about her. That's just my own take. I could be wrong. But here's that 49B. I received briefing materials in the morning of Tuesday. And I went to deliver all of the great results that President Trump is delivering for the American people that are not often spread in the national media. So I took it as an opportunity so people would know what he's doing for Americans and how hard he's working. And then I delivered some breaking news. I think I'm one of the first press secretaries to deliver staff changes for the administration. And I was honored that President Trump trusted me delivering that information. I can give you some unsolicited advice. That's never going to be a friendly room to you. Yeah. So what I what I would say is I would absolutely be very well prepared on the briefing, Sean. And I would love and I do love questions. And I would love to build a relationship with all of those members of the press corps. So there is a substantive component to us having an ability to interact. And it's not going well. So I read yesterday, I believe, because I just love palace intrigue period that Trump reportedly pulled the trigger on Katie while Susie Wiles was like out of pocket, you know, his chief of staff. I've read that she's not a fan and she did not want her either. And is Susie Wiles now on the chopping block because she's been iced out of some major administrative decisions. I just this bums me out. This bums me out because it's there is truth to what they say about Trump and central casting. And this is kind of his preferred central casting. And I understand it's early days for her. But I don't think this is an on the job training position. You have to come out guns blazing. Honey's right. That job, that is an oppositional room. That's it. She's there to, like, say what the administration wants and never deviate from those talking points, no matter what. You need a warrior. You need a warrior. You need someone with really thick skin or like an asshole like Jen Psaki, who could just be really condescending when you ask a question she doesn't have the answer to. Like an Ivy League asshole. Yes. Yes. Yes. I know. That's the thing. I mean, I do. I will say in Katie's defense, it's very hard to follow Caroline Leavitt. Like if I were advising her, I would say the next time she gets asked this question, she should say Caroline Leavitt is a very tough act to follow. And I promise I will do my best to try to measure up. It may take me a while. That's it. Just be humble. Be humble. Don't ramble on. Every time she's been asked about this on Hannity, on Fox and Friends, she goes into a lengthy ramble about how amazing Donald Trump is. It's embarrassing. It's a sycophant type response. Like, I know I'm bad at this, but I love Donald Trump so much that I'll just kiss ass so that I can keep this job, which may be clever, you know, may be smart, but is very undermining to her own credibility. Just own it. Say, you know what? I have been stumbling this week. I'm a little nervous. Yeah. It's harder to do than I thought it was. But substantively, I will get there. You know, my performance, my smoothness on the air, that may take me a while. And I ask for your patience. Say that. Have a little humility. Yeah. Yes. And also, if I were her and I felt like over my head, I would be sure to be locked in a room with the best media consultants possible. Learn how to answer a question succinctly. Learn how to pivot. Learn how to speak. extemporaneously without struggling for your words or repeating your words or not being sure of the message you want to get across. I mean, in lesser positions, you get this. Like, I'm sure Doug has had this or, you know, being married to you. But like when you're getting ready to promote a book, if you've never done press before, they put you in a room, a publisher, and they media train you. Oh, he did not have that. But he probably was fine. But he gets that at dinner every night. Fun for him. Like a version of the Kennedys. Tell me your big three talking points of today's news. Did you or did you not? Yes. Yes, exactly. OK, here's one more. This is not 50. This is her on Fox and Friends this morning. When's the next press briefing? Will you have another one? Well, I'll be working in close coordination with the communications department, the president, to determine when the best next time for a press briefing is. And I'm really looking forward to working with the press, looking with the journal, working with all of the journalists and everyone here. And it's really a true privilege. And I am excited to do it. And it's going to be a wonderful journey. And we have a lot to look forward to. As a country. And there is no better president to work for than President Trump. He is just the most hardworking, incredible man. And I'm grateful to be here. Katie, do you. And it's a tough question. Do you think you still have the confidence of the president? I'm standing here and I was able to travel with him through all of the midterm convention or excuse me, the midterm rallies. And I hope to be able to build the trust and confidence of everyone around me. Oh, I feel bad for him. I feel bad for her. I do. I feel like you're right. They need to get her into a room and murder board her right away. Like it should be nonstop. She should not be looking at the news at all. She should just be behind closed doors getting drilled over and over and over with hard questions. And like you can't start over again. You have to say it. You have to complete the thought. There's no ums. There's no ahs. There's no there's no complimenting President Trump. Stop it. You sound like you're with Pravda. And just, you know, stay on point. I don't I'm not sure. I mean, it's been a very rocky week for her. Rocky start. I hope she makes it. I do. I hope. I do. I hope she proves her doubters wrong, but she's going to need to practice a lot. It's reminding me a lot of Sarah Palin. Oh, God. It is, you know, or it's like you would think like if SNL were not off this week, this would be a skit. You know what I mean? Like, let's just keep going. Well, I do. You have the confidence of the president. Well, I was able to travel with him. And, you know, well, I'm standing here. I'm standing here, aren't I? Or am I technically sitting? I don't know. You know, it's like it's just there are some people who as mediagenic as Sarah Palin was, even if you think she was not that bright, which I didn't do. She was mediagenic, but she couldn't get it down. She couldn't get it down. You know, and especially Katie has to know she's talking to outside of Fox, a media that is openly hostile to her and that administration. They would love nothing more than to see her head roll by day five. You know, the one thing she's got going for her is she seems sweet. Like, I will say she seems like a sweet gal to me, which, again, query. Why she's in this role, because they'll eat you alive. But I mean, maybe she should lean into that and just like be her nice self, like be self deprecating, own your flaws, work on them. But the one thing you're going to have to know forward and backward is like substance. If you are sloppy in the delivery, but you know the substance cold, I think you could get forgiven even by this nasty press corps, like give them real answers. You know, the problem is generally this role does require a bulldog. Yeah. And what Republicans want to see is a fight. Yeah. That's one of the reasons they liked Kayleigh McEnany, that they liked Caroline Leavitt, because they were they were not afraid of these, you know, just vultures in that room. Right. They gave as good as they got. So if you're not able to do that, you better at least be substantively rock solid. She's got a lot of homework to do. We'll see. After Hannity, the closest people to Trump at Fox are Fox and Friends. Oh, really? So that was a one-two punch by the two groups of people closest to him at Fox. And I do wonder whether this was some sort of decision, you know, to hobble her or to telegraph she's going. I don't know. I don't know. I know Trump doesn't like to fire people who are caught in left-wing firestorms. Ah. Right-wing. Okay. And query whether he's creating them in part. I don't know the answer to that. Okay. So that's that. Enough palace intrigue over at Team White House. Katie, we remain rooting for you. Hang in there. Okay. A lot more to get to. Which one should we start with next? I guess we should do Megan and Harry. Okay. They're back. They're back in the UK, Maureen. It's a coming home party. Back to Kensington, right? Or Nottingham. Nottingham. Oh, they went to, wasn't that their first walkabout? Yes. Yeah. As an engaged couple. And it appears that they, like, we had more people when you arrived here at the studio today to greet them. And Megan wears a chic, all-Burton-y look featuring a belted skirt. Oh. Oh, belted skirt. There she is. She's greeting people at the rope line. Oh, yes. It looks nice and crowded. Look at the people who turned out for her. And then if you zoom out and you see some of the aerials, it's, I think we would call it a smattering. I think smattering is where we'd go. And on top of that, it turns out that she was given this big bouquet of roses reportedly from, like, she has a little fan club that follows her. Very little. So it wasn't actual, like, regular Brits who were showing up to greet her. Look at this. Look. Look, look, look, Maureen. Okay. This is a deeper cut, but this reminds me, this, my theory, when Frank Sinatra was starting out, his management would pay teenage girls, like, five bucks a pop to scream their heads off while he was on the street and then pretend to faint. And that's, so I would bet they might, they may be on their meager payroll. I am going to do that for you the next time you come here. Thank you. It's the little things. I appreciate that. When I was at Jones Day, my law firm, we used to have, like, a retreat every year. And we'd go cool places. We went to Disney one year. It was really fun. And one year they hired, this is back in the boom days of law firms, they hired a bunch of people. We got off the buses, like the lawyers, and we were walking into the facility. And they hired a bunch of people to have fan signs. And the signs read, the one I remember was, show us your briefs. Oh, my God. It was so funny. Looking at all, like, the stiff lawyers, like, oh, my goodness. And, like, asking for our autographs. Oh, that's so funny. It was very cute. That's really sweet. But basically the same firm is now servicing these two. Yeah, like, rent a crowd, rent an audience. Like, we've done on the nerve. We found out through Troublemakers that Bill Maher's audience is paid for. He uses a service out in L.A. It's called, like, I forget the name of it, but it's like you hire an audience. They get paid 50 bucks a pop to sit in that audience for an hour and clap and applaud and do all the things. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, so Megan's got a line to that stuff, I'm sure. Yes. Well, or her. Or her little fan club. You know, it's like, oh, all 15 of them. So they showed up because they're into her. But this is not normal Brits. They have no fan club over there whatsoever. Their approval ratings are in the dumps. Yeah. So they show up over there, and then she meanders through. I saw her in, like, some school where she's going child to child, trying to look like she cares. This is all PR. And what we're basically seeing here is them acting like real royals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're fake. Yes. They're fake royals. Yes. This is like, Diamond does it. This is like, buy a royal. Mm-hmm. And it's embarrassing. Like, you tell me whether the king needs to shut this shit down. I wish he would. He's leaving it to William. You know, this is all the stuff Megan doesn't want to do. It was Megan who said during their first huge royal overseas tour was Australia, which I believe was a callback to Charles and Diana. Their first overseas royal tour as a married couple was Australia, and Diana broke royal protocol, because for the first time, a future queen insisted on flying with the air. William was a baby. Mm. And that was her rapturous applause and her ascendance to, like, global stardom. But Megan, on her first royal tour, reportedly, allegedly said to an aide, "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this." Yes. And then, in a later, I believe, hissy fit of just epic proportions, reportedly, allegedly, the way it's been reported in the British press, was she threw, "I'm not going to pay for this, I'm not going to pay for this." That's right. That's right. A cup of hot tea in the air. But I don't know anybody who's ever thrown something in the air out of frustration, especially liquid. It's usually, the rumor, long standing, is that she tossed it onto an aide. She burned an aide. Okay. Okay. Believable. I'm sorry. Totally believable. She's a nasty bully. Do we think Meghan Markle, for a moment, wants to spend time in an old folks' home, or a soup kitchen, or with poor children? No. Only if it makes her look good. Only if it makes. She's been trying to keep that mask on for so long, and she's overly excited to be there. She's over, "Oh, oh, for me." It's so saccharine, and it's such an obvious affectation, the way she responds to these fans. I much prefer the, frankly, Harry and William and Kate style, which is just to be polite, to greet them, to smile, shake a hand, take a bouquet. She's over the top, because she's desperate to telegraph, like all mean people are. How nice they are. Yes. And I'm sure most people don't have to do that. Yes. They've got absolutely nothing to prove. Yes. They don't have to stay there. It's the way that people who are good people never say, "I'm a good person." They just are. It's bad actors who are always like, "I'm a good person. I'm just misunderstood." So, this is the place that, while living in royal castles, that made her suicidal. Yes. But this is the answer for her happiness. Oh, and they hate the UK. It's a bunch of racists. Right. who drove her to suicidal ideations. who are obsessed with the skin color of her babies, and yet there they go back. It's such a wonderful thing to be here. We're thrilled. Now we're going to raise them here in the racist country that's obsessed with their skin color that doesn't care if I live or die, that tried to drive me to suicide. I'm so happy to be home. Oh, and she's trying to launch as ever over there. Oh, yeah. She was just smacked down by the UK government because her dimwit husband didn't even know this, that there are import-export laws regarding foodstuffs. And her fake food doesn't pass the test. The flower sprinkles. I love it. The flower sprinkles are banned, as is the jam and fruit spread, which I thought is the same thing. But both have been banned. All three, I guess, have been banned now. That's their big plan to bring as ever over there where she's even less popular than she is here. And this all happens as we get news about what's happening with their little Archwell charity. We'll pick it up there. We're going to take a quick break, but we'll tell you what's happening with their charity. 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Well, you're The Nerve's fairy godmother. Oh, I love that. Yeah. It's an honor. We get your fairy dust, your stardust. We're very lucky. It's truly such a pleasure to listen to. Thank you. Okay. So I want to keep going with these two grifters. Because there was an incredible moment where the veil came down on Megan Markle's face. They were greeting people and they were being greeted by some blonde woman. I don't know who she was. Our pal Dan Wooten pointed it out. You'll see it here in SOT 9. But I've got to show you this moment first. Where Megan sees Harry lean in for the kiss, immediately turns to look at the woman before her horrified face goes back to her husband. Woman, now, that is a very English-European thing to do, isn't it? The double kiss on the cheek. But it shows you how insecure she is in these moments. He nailed it, Maureen, because she does this. Not only does she lose the grin entirely, but she does this. Yes. Yes. I'm putting my tongue I'm like cleaning the front of my teeth with my tongue. That's what she does. And then kind of looks away and pretends that there's somebody behind him that she's gesturing to. So she doesn't even have to look at the woman. Yes. It's very clear she did not appreciate this. And it reminds me of the Kris Jenner. Moment. Yes. Her rack where he was staring at the rack. Yes. It also reminds me. Do you remember? We showed this picture a little while ago. It's an older one, but she's seated next to Harry at some outdoor event. And they're all on those kinds of folding chairs that are not attached. She is about seated about a foot away. Harry is next to her. And next to Harry is another woman who was like a functionary of this event. But Harry's reclined. He's got his legs spread. He's got his arms slung over the chair of the other woman who is standing, sitting ramrod straight. Like, don't, Megan, don't think I'm encouraging this. And Megan's staring forward with like that, that wide eye like smile on her face. Everything's fine. I'm not angry. I'm not angry. And that level of insecurity gives to my mind, gives credence to Lady C's assertion that there has been another woman in Montecito. The detail that this woman is age appropriate to me says it all. That is an incredible detail. Normally, it would be like a younger woman, maybe an influencer. No, that like she is known. Like, I do think the flight to the UK did have something to do with that. Just my opinion. Well, it does show her insecurity because I can tell you one thing I have zero insecurity about is my marriage. You know, Doug and I are genuinely very close. And I know he adores me and I adore him. And if he ever kissed a woman like that, I wouldn't even, it wouldn't even catch my notice. It's like, it is sort of a way of saying hello. Doug doesn't do that kissing. He doesn't do the double air kiss. No. And can I just tell you, it's actually one of my massive pet peeves when American men do it. It's fine for Harry. Van Wooten is correct. That is a European thing. And when I'm greeting a European man, I expect it. And I don't think a thing of it. But it's very wannabe by these American men who do it. Women do it too. Yeah. American women do it too. I think I can forgive the women actually more than I can the men. Why? Because it just so, it's a feat. Oh, it gets to your masculinity thing. Yeah, I get it. Be a man. Don't kiss me. Would you prefer a handshake from a man? Yes, I would. Okay. Or I could do the no body touch hug. Yes. I'm okay with that. Yes. I'm not saying it's a come on. I'm saying it's like, and it's only been done to me by business executives who are skinny and small and not confident. Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's a thing that feet men do in order to feel fabulous, I guess. Oh, okay. I don't know, but I'm against it. Very against it. Oh. And then you never know which way to go. And then you can have the inadvertent lip touch, which is a nightmare. Oh, that's never happened to me, like an inadvertent lip. I think you pretty much know, like, this is not, that's not going that way. But like, I don't know. It's never really bothered me. I mean, I've certainly had male colleagues where, you know, once I've come to have a very closely, a good close working relationship. She works for the male. They're Brits. There's a bunch of Brits there. There's Americans. There are Americans there, but I'm talking even at the post where, like, it was rough and tumble there. In journalism? You had journalists doing this? Like, if one of my editors, like, came to an event I was having, I would give them like a non-body contact hug. Sure. I disagree. That's fine. I'm talking about that kiss on both sides of the cheek. Oh, you're talking about that. Oh, well, that's, yes, that is an affectation for sure. Yes, it's weird. Absolutely. I do think generally, if you meet somebody and they're going to go for it, the general rule is everyone go for the other person's right side. Yeah. And then it works. Yeah. The puzzle of it can fit together. Yes. Okay, yes, so there's news about the two grifters and how their business isn't doing very well, or at least Archwell isn't doing very well. Let me see the headline do I have in front of me? I don't know. They basically had to cut back is the headline. And between that and the inability to sell half of her wares over there, I do wonder whether Ari Emanuel is going to be able to help her help her. Here is what he said when he came on the MK show, her former super agent, but is now, quote, thinks it's great to be rid of her. Sot six recently told the Sunday Times it was a great thing that you were no longer having to think about her. Yeah. Why? Why is that great? Listen, I got a busy life. She is finding her voice. I'm happy for her. We're we're the great thing. I hope as a parent of starting William Morris endeavor is there's people here that they can handle stuff and handle clients. And for me, I just had a lot on my plate with I've started a new company. I run TKO. I have clients. And it was it was better to let them deal with her and execute against her need and her desires. And I'm happy that everybody's doing it for me than to have you do that. I couldn't. I couldn't. It couldn't occupy him. I didn't want it occupying my brain. And when I'm involved in somebody constantly and when I wake up in the morning, clients occupy my brain. That's what happens. And I just didn't want to do that anymore. Having nothing about her, I just needed to move on to other things I was doing. Did you find there was a big appetite for her services? Well, I mean, you know, I I think there's bunch of things that our people are doing for her now so that's a good thing i'm just not involved i'm not involved and not in a bad way i just have a lot on my plate hey if katie loses her job he could be the new white house press secretary it's giving that like and i love that because he's like a creature of hollywood he has run that town for decades and he's like i i don't know everything's cool everything's i mean i just don't i don't have time like i'm doing other things i've got kids oh and by the way like i just i need to think about my clients like like he couldn't i love stuff like that because it shows even experts at messaging for other people if they're put on the spot and they like they're trying in my opinion not to tell the whole truth which i think was like that's his job happy to be done with her yes yeah i put him in an impossible spot and he was a good sport about letting me do it because you know he knew i'm sure that i was going to ask a question about that um but yeah he so he can't completely throw her under the bus right his agency still represents her right but he offloaded her make no mistake about it she started with him and it's not a great thing to be to have your agent offload you to a lesser known agent within the agency that clearly that is not a sign of respect or belief in you and even at the end there he was about to gear up to say something like and she's had to know some projects come in and he changed it to and they're they're working you know basically to find her and she's like i don't know what to do i don't know what to anything is what he was saying and and i want to update what i was saying it's not the charity archwell the headline in the post is they have quietly downsized their archwell productions company as their hollywood ventures continue to face challenges quote they cut staff over the last 12 to 18 months the source exclusively told page six according to the insider their company is now down to just a handful of employees in its raleigh studios offices in los angeles um and this is not you know a sign of health because everything they've touched other than that original netflix documentary in his book in his his book right which is both of those are just about the royal family that's interest in kate and william and the queen um has turned to shit none of them has worked her stupid podcast his dumb polo documentary her book got canceled on whatever child story she was gonna tell the bench yeah that wound up on ebay for 20k oh god what oh did you miss this you could get an animatronic bird brooklyn for less than that those those brooklyn hipster assholes they at that price to 15 million you're right there's no one there's no one to root for in that story there's there's no one to root for but um no okay this is so good this is so good so on ebay appears a signed copy of the bench by megan to but it was never published no i think it was published in a small run and it just bombed okay maybe that's what it was so it was signed to use jack meaning princess eugenie oh lord andrew's daughter and it was an inscription that said so they had moved into frogmore that dump that harry and megan just could not abide feelings are too low oprah winfrey showed up and said how can you live here on the netflix how can you live in this dump so she she writes i hope that i hope that you and your guys have as much fun there as like you know whatever and she signed it it was written in that like insufferable calligraphy and she signed it meg but i thought about you when i saw this because she signed it m-e-g-h and i was like that would be like you signing meg m-e-g-y meggy meggy y is silent like all irish names there's like a million silent vowels and um but so it was like who could have put that up on on ebay for 20 000 pounds only eugenie right or jack because they need money too because their father's been kicked off the you know property they're they're prince andrew's kids she is wow yeah i guess it was it was a series it was like an animated series that she was pitching that got that got killed yes that's what i'm thinking of maybe it was based on the book i don't know but it was a kids series it's called pearl yes thank you yes and it was supposed to be based on her childhood but it turned out she was heavily borrowing one might say from pre-existing intellectual property ask martha stewart what that's oh yeah yeah that's all they do is just grift like they try to be wills and kate they try to be martha stewart uh they try to be oprah yes and here she's trying to be who's ever booked that was i'm just like i'm so over them but yeah their their latest act continues in the uk and nobody is buying it now next up we have got to discuss something i learned about on the nerve and you should listen to maureen's show it's out now that raises some bad facts about carrie russell i'm just gonna have to say it i love carrie russell and matthew reese of the americans or did and i love her not at all after hearing the sound bites you played on the nerve she is an open leftist asshole first of all she went on with chelsea handler who's a nightmare and ripped trump as the man who can who may not be named was like all right this is so trite i mean please like you're paying your dues and you're not paying your dues like you're paying your dues to chelsea handler first of all that's where you sit and then every other word was like something crass or vulgar you know it's like she completely knocked herself down several pedestals and then the bit about how she finds her friends i was like you've got to be kidding me i hadn't seen this i did hear the headline about all the sex right she and matthew reese had and i was like all right that's a little much but whatever where is it let's see um can you guys find it the one oh here it is way over here carrie russell sat yeah 51 let's play it oh uh my you know my they're like i don't know they're coders one friend's a coder one friend is uh friends how she finds friends when they all do all sorts of stuff so i met some of them through school like my kids yeah school you know you're like in first grade and you see the moms that are like also wearing vans and like not wearing like have chanel bags and you're like yeah the vans mom that's that's that's my people yeah that looks like she hasn't brushed her teeth yet right i was like who are you you know okay can i just say first of all i was at those schools those are very same schools for years and the the the most elite school you could be at nobody dresses like that there is not a chanel mother that actually is not a thing that's a caricature of new york moms most new york moms are understated i don't know how it is in la uh but in new york most of the moms are very understated that they're actually not intent on flaunting their wealth outside of these amazing institutions they're understated but she's got to be kidding us that she somehow eschews the chanel bag that this is somehow very offensive to us so just to start i'm completely with you i loved i thought she was one of those rare people who are in hollywood but not of it you know and she sort of seemed interesting like she took a break after felicity moved to new york took a few years off like had a life her projects are interesting when she's not promoting a film you never see her or a show um and then i saw that and i just thought wow that's like first of all it's completely hypocritical like you know you have to remind yourself these people are actors they act acting since she was a kid there may not be a real person in there you know but to say like oh the van's mom the mom who wears the cool hipster sneakers that's my tribe not the mom you know two weeks ago carrie was at the louis vuitton spring summer 2007 fashion show as an invited guest in at paris fashion week dressed by the house by the way trotted out her 13 year old daughter who we're seeing here for the first time makes a point of stopping her daughter in front of the world's media to adjust her collar and again like i said on the nerve we are like a couple of weeks out from presley gerber when will these people stop parading their children around like this like accessories but again like carrie if you're the cool brooklyn van's mom what are you doing accepting an invitation from louis vuitton i thought we hated fancy handbags i thought we hated all that shit what do you mean and their designers all that stuff oh so is the problem that maybe that's her secret i don't know because she also said she um she doesn't understand people who wear pearls oh like and i'm like i wear pearls every day and i don't take it personally i don't think she knows who i am but like it's like what are you doing like why why like i felt like with chelsea who i find odious for many reasons and has a reputation in the industry as a real mean girl yes a really really mean miserable you can see it's all over her face yeah it is i felt like i felt like carrie was trying to like in her mind sort of get herself to whatever level of cool she thinks chelsea is and like i'll be i'll i'll i'll curse and i'll talk about sex and i'll talk about like bad personal height like i don't get what's going on there i don't oh my other theory is i do think there's something to the um the matthew reese stuff you know forgetting her i heard you saying that you thought it was you know honest and i i also it's a curse though it is a curse but he had not everybody who fails to do it winds up divorced hillary swank there's a long list there's a long list and um where is where's he been why wasn't he with her at paris fashion week why hasn't he been on the red carpet with her she's been rolling out the diplomat season four she was by his side the whole time he was like campaigning for that at those two Emmys which he won like where is he I don't know but you lose him how you get him it's so true and that's the thing that bothered me about her sex disclosure on Chelsea which was like she was married at the time I know you know they want to tell us oh it ended right before the affair started sure those things always the timing always works out just that cleanly just that cleanly and it's not just that her ex-husband has to hear that but he is the father of her two older children right one is one is 19 in a college and the other is the 13 year old daughter so they're gonna go to school and hear all about their mom on chelsea sex podcast talking about how they were fucking in there that's her line yes that's her words i think we have it yeah here it is 53 the show the diplomat first of all the americans was we didn't give it enough credit or justice time and respect because that show was fucking awesome what you guys did on that show was so awesome like it's so much fun it looked like it was so fun and also we were like falling in love and staying up all night and like having sex all the time and just like wearing disguises like i'm fucking crazy wigs and like wearing pearls when did you ever wear pearls and like fucking in trailers and fight everywhere i mean it was insanity it was so fun and sneaky and sexy and so good who made the first move with the two of you oh that's a good question you know i think i did i love that yeah nice nice i heard you on the nerve ripping on the random third person i love that who just pops in from nowhere with comments and questions or sometimes she's just sitting there like is that like kind of just looking up and like smiling like kind of like inanely and there she is who is this person chelsea's for i would say for in hollywood and i use this phrase in the way which was intended in the 70s that in hollywood would be chelsea's special needs friend yeah yeah she's not photogenic yeah she's not stylish she's not wearing makeup and she's not particularly witty or additive to the conversation that's why she's there that's why chelsea will be friends with her she's there because the truly insecure people never want to surround themselves with anybody who's as good you're so right better looking than they are so yeah so that woman comes on but it was crass and it was vulgar and it was so unnecessary why why would you be we all know that the relationship started as an infidelity you were cheating on your husband they deny it she says the separation i don't believe her i i think clearly there was overlap um and so like it's hard to root for that like okay i get it maybe you married the wrong person and you found somebody who's better it happens but like stop sell i'm not going to celebrate how sneaky your sex was when there was a family that you were about to leave yeah her ex-husband has never said a thing i wonder if he's going to tell her that she's going to tell her that she's signed an ironclad NDA, but the other thing is like- Or has a big alimony check. Exactly, big alimony check. The other thing is though, that is your workplace, sister. I'm sure the crew was thrilled that that trailer was rocking and rolling every five minutes. I'm sure whoever had to clean her trailer and his trailer was thrilled that they were getting it on every five minutes. Like have some sense of like what you're doing, you know? And class, I mean, if you want class, you don't go on with Chelsea Handler. A hundred percent. And plus it's just so like the left wing, they'll go on a podcast like that. It's fine, that won't cost her a single role. God forbid they ever came on a right wing podcast or mine is an independent podcast that leans right. That's what my sensibilities are. She would never, I mean, we had a lot of big celebrities come on here, but she would never do that because in her world, that would be a sin for which you couldn't be forgiven. But you can go on the most hateful, Chelsea Handler is disgusting. She is so hateful. She said the nastiest things about everybody on the right. She's had to apologize a bunch of times. That no problem. And cause she's got, she rips on Trump. She's telegraphing that she's a leftist to everybody. And then she talks about her playful sex with the hottest guy in Hollywood at the moment, Matthew Rees, right? Like let everybody know, like I'm his. And I found him before you did. That's exactly what's going on here. I think there's a little bit of, excuse my language, but territorial pissing. Like whatever else he may or may not be getting up to. She's trying, like Meghan Markle on the receiving line. He's mine. He's mine. It was desperate and it was neat. It was sad. All right, let's talk about the Kelly Clarkson story. So the audience knows the story by now, but for those who don't, just quickly, she went down to a Brooklyn store called Art of Play, right? And she wanted to buy this $15,000 bird that was on the wall. And I don't know, it was like a robot bird, you called it. They said, no, this one's not for sale, but you can get a twin for $15,000 from the guy who made this one. Or we can get you one to take home today for two grand. That's like a lesser imitation. And she claims they spoke to her as though she, you know, was a nobody like in the scene in Pretty Woman. She stormed out and fuck anybody who thinks that she doesn't like small businesses because she was shopping in a small business. Okay, so I really thought it was a pathetic thing for her to do, the long tweet storm about them. If I told you the number of times I've been slighted by store, you know, keepers in Manhattan or Brooklyn, we'd be here all day. We'd be here all day because I'm recognizable as a figure on the right wing and they hate us. So they don't care that you want to go into a store and spend X amount of dollars like that. The money doesn't. No. Wow. No, I've been treated terribly by so many different store proprietors and people on the left. It's fine. You shrug it off and you move on with your life. Who cares? I don't give a shit what they think about me. Okay, I'm not for them. I'm not everybody's taste, but I'm enough people's taste that it's fine. You know, like I can make a living. My people, understand me and these other people. Somebody put this on Twitter and I retweeted it the other day. X. Don't waste time arguing with people who are determined to misunderstand you. It's great advice. And anyway, I would never go and like start tweeting about the shopkeeper, you know, like grow up, be a woman. Stop complaining about every small person who doesn't like you. A lot of people don't like you. If you become a public figure, especially they don't like you. And a lot of people do. Grow up. But now this store owner is really enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. So let's first look at the video. I'm going to get to him in a second. The video has been released. And here it is. Pablo Torres finds out, got his hands on the video. He's the one who broke it. The Daily Mail has it too. Let's watch it. She appears to be browsing. She's now at a shelf. She's picked something up. She gets the attention. Play by play. Like she's a terrorist. Of the aforementioned shopkeeper in question. This is the dude that she referenced, called an idiot, said that he was treating her like Julia Roberts' character in Pretty Woman. You see Kelly Clarkson pointing. Yeah. She's pointing at Molly as she looks at the shopkeeper. And the shopkeeper is kind of nodding. And it's like he's telling her something. And she's looking at it and looking back at him. And is, I guess, trying to confirm something it looks like. The whole interaction lasts seconds. And she goes off into the corner. The shopkeeper goes in the other direction. Now she turns around and he's now talking to another customer. And what happens next with Miss Clarkson at the door? She's clasping her hands. She heads to the exit. She turns around and seems to be saying something to the person behind the cash register. There's a lot of gesticulating. And she's walked out. And he seems to be gesturing to the bird. Yeah. She doesn't seem to want to hear whatever he has to say. Okay. I know what we're going to need to analyze this properly. Yes. I think it's a martini. I couldn't agree with you more. Duggar, thank you so much. Doug is here. Thank you. He's providing the martinis. Thank you so much, babe. You're welcome. These are made with love. Yes. He's an amazing mixologist. And by special request. Thank you, honey. Cheers. Cheers, babe. Great to have you here. Always the most fun. Dr. Sean, sorry, but I have to do it. Oh, that is so good. It's so good. He's such a good mixologist. He is so good at making these. I don't know. Maybe I just will surrender and become an alcoholic. They're so good. I could live on that. Hey, life's short. You've done so well so far. My mom's 85. And she always says, if I make it to 90, this is all I'm doing. I love it. And I don't want to do it again. I want to hear a word about it. Mom, you got it. Okay, so Kelly Clarkson is very angry. You can see before she leaves. Oh, yeah. She gives him the business at the door. Oh, yeah. Now, I can't imagine actually doing that. Like shouting at somebody or like scolding them from the door of the facility. That's what you've got this for. Yes. You do it from here. I'll do it from here and then you go about your day. But I do know, like I don't punch down. I do know that rule. And you learn it the hard way. Yes, yes. Don't punch down. Like a lot of people who are not as well-known, not as successful are going to take shots at you and just ignore them. Like it's just ignore them. Yes. This is where she really went wrong. She punched down. And stores, as you know, in Manhattan and the five boroughs of New York have been struggling ever since that fucking terrible mayor, Bill de Blasio, turned us into one giant Starbucks and Citibank. And so it's not great to do something to. However, I mean, like. Laurence Olivier is apparently running this store because this guy is acting about his trauma. Steve, play the one you just played. you think embodies it most i don't know there's so many to look at we are afraid for the safety of our shopkeepers kelly clarkson has put us in danger not just our people showing up in person but our neighbors are getting doxxed and review bond people are getting threatened on the street and the worst part is we didn't know this was going to happen but kelly clarkson did this is an insane misunderstanding like nothing happened in this shop to justify her scolding our shopkeeper on the way out but i could let that go you know everybody has a bad day if it is this intense to be merely mentioned by kelly clarkson i can only imagine how intense it is to be kelly clarkson every single day but things changed when she used her platform to attack us it's just it's asymmetrical social warfare he's loving every minute of it the only thing missing from that clip was um he also mentioned that he had rushed back from having cancer surgery oh yeah skin cancer surgery on his face and i have had the same exact skin surgery i can tell you because you it's undetectable you go into the office you leave like 20 minutes later and you go about your life it's like nothing ever happened to you sir i did say on the nerve that i have i love you lived in brooklyn for decades i lived in williamsburg brooklyn which was ground zero for breeding ground for this type of hipster which is insufferable in effing sufferable and i i do like i think there are no winners in this scenario but i do believe as we examine this year's the pruder film of our pop cultural is a pruder uh nobody acted well here she she said in her first social media post that that shop guy elevator eyed her and i believe it i believe he looked her up and down and was like you're not our kind she looked like a homeless person i called her like a dutch painter boy oh that made me laugh out loud when you said that may i come paint the side of your house you've got some chips on the side and i'll do it for 20 bucks it isn't what is she dressing i don't know yellow is tough it's tough to pull off i have to say i'll wear it sometimes on the show but limited limited basis and the baseball cap and the backpack and the baggy blue pants don't you know who i am no no not at all and and it just so i don't even know that they recognized her but then i'm sure she felt like they were denying her the bird on the wall with the price tag because she wasn't cool enough yeah to buy it i think that's what got like because her response is so outsized as you said if you go into a store and they're like we're not gonna we're not gonna allow you to patronize us you're lost yeah you're i'll take my business elsewhere happy to happy to honestly if you trust me on this if you are on the right wing you have had somebody do something like this to you especially if you live in a blue city or a blue town or a blue state like i do i mean i was 17 years on the upper west side with babies and fox news onesies like man i thought navy seals have nothing on me maureen nothing so it's like you're gonna take your licks i she's i think just used to being universally beloved and adored and for once she was treated just like anybody else yeah it's not for sale the answer is no and she couldn't take it and we actually did a little look into kelly clarkson's fortune and it's considerable that we got you got to look at some of this woman's homes okay they're like beautiful they're stunning i don't know do we have the videos of them because they're like over the top nice hold on a second i'm going to show you some of them she's got tons of money and i think that makes her think she's special you know that she deserves to be treated better than the average person there's um okay the daily mail had a piece on her sprawling homes from her 17.8 million dollar montana ranch to her california mansions there was a um first there was her texas home almost 7 000 square feet 14 acres four bedrooms two bedrooms two bedroom suites a theater a gym she expanded it to surround the home with a lot of the holdings by assembling more than 60 additional acres the main estate boasts a pond two pools a treehouse and dog runs eventually she sold the 14 acre piece of it for millions then nashville 2007 she bought her tennessee portfolio 1.5 million dollar house about 5 000 square feet five bedrooms six bathrooms she had it for four years before she sold it for 1.2 million so on 275 acre farm in a fishing lake it also comes with its own cottage a large barn etc she sold it for 3 million in 2020 the tennessee mansion with its own cowboy bar maureen uh this is her most dropping tennis drop jaw dropping tennessee purchase in 2013 a waterfront estate in hendersonville for approximately 2.86 million to 20 000 square feet on more than four acres seven bedrooms up to 11 baths an 8.5 million dollar california farmhouse in 2018 a custom built farmhouse style mansion in encino for 8.5 million 10 000 square feet eight bedrooms 11 baths the montana ranch 2019 final purchase price never disclosed but it's known as warren peak ranch marketed for around 10 million dollars spans roughly 5700 acres what court documents put the value at nearly 18 million with black stock that's her ex who just who died i think ultimately um some some portion of that okay and then finally there's the 5.45 million colonial uh in toluca lake which is a gated colonial style estate built in 1936 renovated in 85 but 5 000 square feet okay this is my point an enormous enormous life of privilege yes what the fuck take your insult and move on with your beautiful life instead of now headlining the Daily Mail as the new Ellen. Oh, this is the best part to come out of it. First of all, when you were going through the list of her properties, she may have more properties than Taylor Swift. Right. Who is now a self-made billionaire. I don't even think Taylor has. So Kelly's net worth has got to be astronomical. She's doing pretty well. Astronomical. And you're right. It's been a long time since she's heard the word no. Right. That's it. That's it. She couldn't believe she was told no. But now this is what happens. Now the mask has slipped. You're not really America's wholesome girl next door, Kelly Clarkson, who everybody just loves. You blew it. You blew it. And part of it, I wonder, too, may have to do with I think she's on a GLP-1. She lost, finally, a lot of weight. She had struggled her whole life. That may be messing with her mind, as it tends to. Like her weight loss and her new sexy body? No, like the medication. It does have neurologic. They're not even sure exactly why. But yeah. Yes, and now the Daily Mail. Yeah, yes. She always struggled. She's had some face work done, it seems like, some really good work. But yeah, the Daily Mail is reporting that her staff is like, yeah, she's kind of the new Ellen. Like she was a diva behind the scenes. She wouldn't even allow celebrity guests to get near her unless they were on camera. And she had a security guard next to her, which is not how you treat stars coming through your talk show. No, no. I mean, I had a few stars. I had a few stars come through in my two minutes as a talk show host. And yeah, you don't insult them by pretending you need to be protected from them. Robert Redford and Jane Fonda came on in it. I remember that. A particularly well-seen segment. I remember that one. I actually, I loved Robert Redford even more during that segment because he was just sort of like, I'm staying out of this. He was a doll. Now, I have a weird story about, I also had skin cancer on the face one time. Oh, did you? Yeah. Right here. In my temple. You can't see it at all. Can't tell. No. But this is right, speaking of NBC, after my unfortunate departure. And I was all over the news. And I then found out I had skin cancer. So I was like, oh, great. But it was a basal cell. It's like, whatever. Okay. You know, that's not to diminish anybody's scare. But like, if you catch that early, it's a nothing burger. If you get basal cell, it's nothing. They just cut it out and you're done. It's nothing burger. But it was on my face. So I decided to go have the Mohs procedure. But then I decided to have a plastic surgeon stitch it up. Oh, smart. It was on my face. Like, oh, whatever. I'm in the biz. So, okay. So here's what happened. I was going over to, I went to the Mohs surgeon. He took off the thing. And then I had like a bandage. You know, they put a big bandage. Because the plastic surgeon was across town. Okay. This is when I was still in Manhattan. And I had to go across town with this bandage on my face. And this was at a time when the paparazzi was following me. Because everybody wanted a picture of like, had me having been booted from NBC. What am I doing? You know, whatever. And the, so I get, I get, oh, so there's a paparazzi following me. They're following me from one place to the other. I'm like, oh God, this is, now they're going to try to get a picture of me walking into a plastic surgeon's office. They're going to think I'm getting plastic surgery. And long story short, we called the office to say, is there another entrance where I can come through? And they were like, no, but we'll have a guard out there for you. The guard comes out. He's holding a huge umbrella, which caused only more attention to come to it. It was the winter. It was the beginning of December. There was no need for an umbrella. There was no snow. There was nothing. The paparazzi came. He followed me. Just as I got into like the entranceway, Threw himself down on the ground. He was taking pictures down there like, shh, shh, shh, shh. I was like, oh, God. And I was getting, I guess, technically plastic surgery. It was a stitching up of my Mohs procedure. And I waited for the article to hit. And do you know what they actually went with? What? That I was going into, I guess, Random House was in the same business, same building. And they were like, she's selling a book. Oh, that's amazing. I love that. Isn't that hilarious? I love that. True story. I did have Mohs surgery. So mine was on the side of my nose. And it was really, really small. And I went to a guy here in New York City. My dermatologist at the time recommended him. I loved him because he was like, he went into his office. And it was like every major thing he had done, he had been like a battlefield surgeon in the Middle East. So he knew how to fix people up on the fly, like MacGyver style. So I was like, this guy's going to make it, make it perfect. But I bet like you, when I emerged from the office and I had this bandage on my face for about two weeks, he did the stitch up and you can't even tell it was there. It looked like I was like, I look like I got like caught by like a stray bullet in like a nightclub shooting engineered by like Puffy or Jay-Z. You know, it was just like a little stray shot because the head bleeds so much. It's all, it always looks worse than it is. And I would say like, one thing I did not do was go out to the cameras that were trying to catch me and say, please don't write anything negative about me and my departure from NBC because I'm a cancer survivor. You could have, but you didn't. And that's a plus in your call. I mean, that kind of stuff, I actually, you know, I'm laughing at it, but I also really do find it an affront to people who have, are really fighting cancer. Well, I think his might've been melanoma or at least he, I think I heard that, which is definitely way more serious, but still like, just stop. Like, don't, don't, he's been milking this every, every day he had a presser, you know, like, I love the presser. The other thing that's slowly coming to light about these guys, this operation out in Brooklyn is that they're all millionaires. Oh, really? Yeah. People who own this shop. Yeah. Like he wrote a children's book. That guy, the unwashed hipster wrote a children's book that was apparently very popular. The two other co-owners, I believe are siblings whose parents have like millions of dollars. I mean, it makes sense if you think about it, because if you have to make your monthly rent, no, you can't. Wouldn't you be like a pop star walked in and wants to buy this $15,000 silly bird on the wall? Take the bird. Buy the bird at full price. You're not even going to haggle with me. That's my monthly rent. Give her the bird. Give her the bird. Give her the damn bird. Maureen, I regret to tell you there is breaking news about our favorite press secretary. She's out. That was fast. Yeah. It didn't take long at all. I mean, I would say validating our earlier discussion about where this, was going and here is Trump speaking to it, right? Is it Trump? Who is it? Is it Trump? You guys? Yep. It's Trump. Katie's been treated very badly by the media. Very, very badly. Very unfairly. I think. And I just spoke to her about it. I said, Katie, is this for you? Because you know, she's been treated very rough and she's a nice person. Very nice person. I've watched her for years on television, but I said, is this for you, Katie? Because honestly, you don't need it. You don't have to be treated. I would say the fake news, but just generally, the media has been very rough. She was on Sean Hannity last night and Sean was a little bit tough and she did. I saw Fox and Friends this morning. They were a little tough. She's been treated, I would say, pretty nastily. And I said to Katie just two minutes ago, I said, Katie, you know, you don't have to do this if you don't want. She said, this is a lot tough. I said, welcome to the world of Trump. Are you going to keep her? I'm going to let her make that decision. She's out. And there is, in addition to that, a senior White House official tells Peter Doocy, Katie, Zacharia, Zacharia is, quote, transitioning out of the press secretary position. So it's done, which we're not surprised about. I mean, it's like, as I said, Hannity and Fox and Friends would not have done that to her if it didn't have Trump's blessing. This is the kind of stuff I love to see where he stands there and he says, you know, the media was really hard on her. Sean was really, he was rough on her last night. He calls attention to it. I said, like, they weren't talking, like, okay, this is what you're going to do, this is what you're going to say. 100%. And then I'm going to throw you under the bus just a little bit, just a little bit, just like it's a tiny nub of the wheel. Because, you know, Hannity's known for his tough questions of conservatives who are in trouble. Like, come on. And I love Hannity. Don't get me wrong. Like, he's the sweetheart. But there is zero chance he didn't coordinate with Trump before that hit. Zero. And Fox and Friends, too. And I love that. I adore those guys. But they know what they're doing. And so, yeah. Okay, so that's fine. So we are rooting for her as a person. But the stint as the press secretary, was it shorter than Sean Spicer? Steve, can you look that up? Was it? I don't know. I think it was. Well, Scaramucci wasn't press secretary, right? He was comms director. Was he? Yeah. This is way shorter than Spicer. This might be the record. Okay. Well, look, she seems like a sweet gal. And I think there may be, like, when God closes a door, he opens a window. She's got four kids who are very young. There's a reason Caroline Levitt left that position, which she was so great at, and she knew that. She had a second baby. And they're little, and they need their mom. So she went home to be with them. And I think this could be God. I think Katie's a God-fearing woman. This could be God telling her there may be other ways to serve the Trump administration. This one isn't it. And she'll get points for being loyal. But they should find somebody. She should find somebody who is a much stronger talker and sharper communicator. Andy Cohen may be calling. Oh! She can—reality TV awaits, I think. Oh! Special forces on Fox. Don't pick up— Something like that. Don't pick up that call, Katie. Don't do it. How about you, Maureen? Do you want to do it? Do what? Be the press secretary. Oh, God. That is a thankless job. I wouldn't want it. I think you have to have—I don't know what kind of, like, resting heart rate you would have to have, you know, to go in there and, like, really do battle. It is so contentious, you know? So that job would never be for me. And a job, too, that's like—everybody who's had it, it's—you can only do it for so long. Like, there's no—you can't really—you're never going to settle into it. It's a short stint by nature. I would say, truly, the goat of press secretaries was Tony Snow. I don't know if you remember him. Under George W. Bush. He worked at Fox. Oh, really? He got colon cancer and died. Oh, I remember this. It was so sad. But he left Fox to go do—and he anchored Fox News Sunday—to go be the press secretary. He was just so good at it. And no offense to anybody who's come after, because we've had some good ones, but he was the best. He was just substantive. He could stay on point. He never got out of bounds. Whatever you asked him—this is how—I always think, like, how would I do the job? This is how I would do it. I would never get out of bounds. I would say— I would say, stay right where you put me. And I would answer it substantively and be as combative as the situation demanded. Or not. Or not. A lot of them are gimmies. That's how he was. He was so smart. No one there could outsmart him. It was such a tragedy. It was so sad when we lost him. He was a super nice guy and just amazing and, like, set the standard. But no one's been able to match that. Like, with all due respect to those who followed, there have been some with flash. There have been some who are more combative. But there's never been anybody who is both as smart and substantive and able to do combat hand-to-hand in that room as Tony Snow. You know, I feel the same way about Tim Russert. I feel like Sunday morning television, those political shows, have never been the same. And none of them learned from him. You know, and he was such a master at it. And he was sort of like a joyful warrior, you know? And I felt so bad when he died because, like, that was the run-up to the 2008 election. And you could tell. You know, he sort of had that kind of, like, New York, Irish, like, Daniel Patrick Moynihan leaning, right? Like, not out of his mind left. Yeah, exactly right. You know, and you could tell, like, he was so excited to see the potential of a first black president. And he died before that happened. And then Sunday morning television has since been awful, terrible. It's all but irrelevant. Yeah, it really is. It's not completely irrelevant. We play soundbites from it from time to time. But it's not must-see TV like it was when Russert was hosting Meet the Press. I mean, obviously, Meet the Press is not like that at all. I mean, Kristen Welker's fine, but she doesn't have it. No, there's nothing compelling there. No, it was Chuck Todd before her. He didn't have it. Chris Wallace did a nice job on Fox of anchoring Fox News Sunday. Like, he was Tim Russert without the charm. Yes, yes, yes. With all due respect to Chris Wallace, who I've criticized many times on the show. But the truth is, I like Chris Wallace. Like, you know, it's my job to rip on people when they deserve the ripping. But I have no personal animus toward him. And I have a lot of fond memories of him, too, during my time at Fox. Some not so fond, but a lot of great ones. A net-net fond. And he was great. He was very tough on both sides, but didn't have the thing that made you feel really warm about him like Russert did. Like the guy from Buffalo who, like, you knew grew up with, like, the super snowy winters for nine months. Yes. like, trudged through the snowy fields to go to school for years and years and was humbled in a way that would never allow his shoulders or head to get too big. Yes, yes. Who always, I always felt when he was behind that desk was like speaking for the working person, watching that show, catching up on the news, right? Not having the time, they don't live in it the way we do. And talking, speaking for those of us, right? You know, and like, no bullshit. You know, like he would always, when someone would evade a question, he would, like a prosecutor, he would ask it three times. But like politely somehow. Politely, politely, but like also telegraphing, like you're trying to get one over on me. All right, stand by. We're gonna take a quick break, but we are obviously coming back with Maureen Callahan. I haven't gotten to like 20 stories that we're supposed to get to. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet. And now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack. And that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin-Marshall mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing, on routing transactions over cheaper untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections. Find out more for yourself at guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card. This is another story that I saw on the nerve that we must discuss. And it is, why is Ryan Seacrest so nude and so thirsty for attention? This is sad. So he decided on October 3rd to shut down the Durbin-Marshall Foundation. And he decided to shut down the Durbin-Marshall Foundation. A shirtless photo of himself looking up at the sky during a bike ride. Let's look at it. With a caption, this is what a day off looks like from start to finish. Well, wait a minute. This is just a video. I'm looking for the naked photo. Where he's like got his pants down to like his ass crack. And he's showing you his, there, look, look at this. How desperate is he? For the listening audience, okay, he's ripped. He's got like an eight pack. Who cares? He looks so on fire gay. Like, I'm sorry. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but he tells us he's not gay. And this is like as good as coming out as you can get. You're laughing. Come on, he looks so gay. No straight man would do this. Well, no straight man would be that waxed. No. Like completely waxed. No. With the lower, this lower, this pelvic bone thing showing. There's a slang word for that that I don't know what that is. Whatever, I won't say. But, you know, it's interesting. So, and the full body spray tan, like the completely evened out and then the carved out, I'm sure that's body makeup, augmenting what's carved out there. Now he is in his, what, mid fifties? Yes. So I find this pursuit sad for a gentleman in their mid fifties who also like has whatever, I'm not particularly a fan of his, but like he has built a really impressive empire for himself. Yeah, he's a hard worker. Works incredibly hard. And I would think that there would be a mind in there that might have more preoccupation than this. We just did a piece, interestingly, on Monday on Sylvester Stallone, who gave a great interview to the New York Times. Yeah. And he spoke about at the height of his physical peak, the Rocky Rambo era, that he developed bulimia. Yeah. And he had like 2.4% body fat. And he fell into what he called body worship. And he said, the only way I could do that was with steroids. No other way. And anyone who tells you, even if it's a man, it's diet and exercise, that's not true. And he said, I can see it a mile away. I'm like another actor. And by the way, Ryan Seacrest is saying that. I mean, Ryan, we all know better now. We all know, you know. There's no way he's not on a GLP-1. There's no way. And like when you see him now. Just my opinion, as you would say. Right. Just my opinion as well. Like his face, he was a good-looking guy. A little bit too vanilla for my taste, but good-looking. But now he's gaunt. Like his cheeks are hollowed out. Like he looks like he's starving. Yes, he needs like, he definitely needs a hamburger. I could give him one because I have nothing but red meat in my diet now and ferments. This is not approved. Sean O'Mara is going to be very disappointed. Sean, I had to do it. Maureen is here. But no. I agree. It's too much. And like there's a bunch of nonsense on his alleged diet and exercise routine. He told Entertainment Tonight he's eating better. He's overtraining. Lots of recovery. Lots of muscle recovery. Cold plunging and steaming. Okay. I cold plunge. I steam. I sauna. That doesn't cause that. It doesn't cause that. And by the way, someone like Ryan Seacrest, who is working 14 to 16 hours a day. And why do we have this video? Okay. Look at the lighting. He put it out. Look at this with the closeup. This is like some sexual surrogate video. Look at this. He's like pulling the big weight in between his legs. This is like, is he looking for a date or what? Apparently this is his trainer who puts out these videos of Ryan. And obviously with Ryan's blessing, this is what ruined Chris Lick's career. Look at this. Look at this. With the legs open. The V open like a woman having sex. I, you know, this is like relatedly to me to the, it's just, it's, I don't understand this. This is full on body worship. But again, he, he is not, in my opinion, telling the truth. You cannot work 14 to 16 hours a day and then have the time and energy to do that. That is a full time profession. Oh yeah. If you're maintaining that body and according to Sly Stallone, you're still doing it with the help of drugs. It's a full, that's, that's your full time job. Yes. It was like the first time I ever went to Miami, Doug, when we first started dating was living in Palm beach. And he took me to Miami and, uh, everyone had such a ripped bod. And I remember saying, does anyone work here? Does anyone have an actual job? Can't possibly be this ripped with this little body fat and, and still have a job. Look at this. Look at this, Maureen. What is that? It's a, it's a coming out party. That's what it is. What straight man would ever allow that image to go out over the national airwaves? Let your free freak flag fly. Yes. Let it fly. Like it's cool. It's nothing wrong with that. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Not that, not that we're stating anything, but our opinion. And plus like, honestly, he's hosting wheel of fortune now. Aren't we past the point where people would judge a gay wheel of fortune? Like no one cares about gayness anymore. Oh my God. The best, the best game show host going. And it's a reality game show is Alan coming on the traders. Oh really? Which if you haven't seen is really, really fun and it started as a Peacock show, but it was such a smash. NBC has moved it over to like late night. I love him in the movie, Emma. He's incredible. I love him. Yes. He was great. Yeah. And he really leans into like the camp of it. And like every, every, every set scene, he's got like a different costume and he's won Emmys for it because he, he enjoys it and he's just being himself, but like a heightened version of himself, you know? All right. What's it called? It's called traders. Okay. Traders. Can I tell you, Doug and I just watched, I think it was six parts. For some reason we got on this stint of foreign series. First it started with the agency, which now there's an English version of that people are watching right now about the CIA here, but that the agency was based on the first version that came before it, which is French, which is named the agency in French. I don't speak French and it was very good. And I, it only had captions. It didn't have voiceover. Which I have to say is harder. Yeah. You know, you have to keep your eyes open and we're all tired and getting old. So it's like at the end of the night, I'm kind of tired. You want to drift off for like a few minutes, then come back and you can, if you have voices, whatever, it was very well done. I really enjoyed it. So then we got drunk on our own wine. Okay. Doubled down on foreign films or whatever. And we went for this Norwegian series about a guy. It was very Nancy Guthrie ask a guy whose wife, Okay. was allegedly kidnapped. It's based on a true story, allegedly kidnapped. And the kidnappers in a note asked the, asked the husband don't involve the police and don't tell the media. Okay. So for the first, like several weeks, six weeks to a couple months, the media wasn't told and wasn't reporting on it. And then they were told, and then they were agreeing not to report on it for this woman's safety. And they were involving the police, but the police were kind of keeping it quiet for this reason. And then it morphs into, wait a minute. Did he kill her? Have we like fallen into a trap here? So I'm so in, I'm like, this is great now. And now this is all in Norwegian, except it has both captions and voiceover. I. would tell you what the name of it is, but I cannot, I don't know. It's a bunch of Norwegian words that I can't repeat. Scored. Is it on Netflix? It ends in scored. I don't know. Who knows? You know, it's like, is Doug running this whole operation? Okay. But listen, here's the reason why it's not important because I'm going to give you a spoiler alert right now. We were into it. We're like, did she get kidnapped or did he kill her? Like what happened? And then there's a split between the police department and the press. One, one faction thinks one thing, one faction thinks another. And it ends again, spoiler alert with the lead detective who we've, we've been following for six episodes where somebody says, what happened? And she said, I have no idea. Wow. It ended on that because it's based on a true story and it hasn't been solved. You know what? That reminds me of the staircase. I'm so mad, Maureen. This is such bullshit. I invested hours and hours of my life on this. Well, do you have a theory of the case? No, I don't know anything. They needed to wrap it up for me. I wasn't like that involved. I like it. It's like the staircase. Have you seen that staircase? Oh, he did it. He shoved the first wife down the staircase in Germany. Oh, definitely. Yeah. And so what are the odds of the second wave just tumbled down on her own? But if so, there's two versions of it and both are incredible. The, the documentary, right. Which, which introduces the German victim, I think later. Right. So it's a nice plot twist. Yeah. And then the HBO series adaptation with Colin Firth and Tony Collette. Yes. And they reenact the, the bird theory. Oh yeah. Do you remember that? Which is incredible. It was incredible. But also a lie. Also a lie. I don't believe it. If you, if you're in a foreign film thing right now or series also, if you haven't seen Anatomy of a Fall, I recommend that. Now you may not like that because it doesn't end it with a bow. You have to have your own theory of the case. Oh, Steve Krakauer was endorsing as well in my year. Incredible. It's, it's, it's about a famous author, a woman, her husband or partner, and they have a small boy. They have a fight. He goes off the balcony and dies. Did she do it? Oh. And it's French. It's set in France. And it's, the lawyer in you will be fascinated because I didn't know the French criminal justice system worked this way. Yeah, I don't know. There's like a panel of judges who hear the case. Oh. It's not one judge. I've seen that depicted in some other movie. Gosh, I can't. Oh. Oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. I did see that depicted in another movie. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Okay. I'm into it. Anatomy of a Fall. Anatomy of a Fall. You know what? Doug and I recently started re-watching Mad Men. Oh, it's a great, great one. It's so good. I love that series. I started re-watching it and then I looped Doug in, but it's so good. I mean, I know Jon Hamm is a sociopath, but such a great role. I think he was born for that role. He was perfect in that role. I loved him. And I was so disappointed when I learned the truth. About his nature. But as far as like actual television, it's just, it's incredible. I'll never forget the episode. You won't be surprised by this, but the episode they do on the day that Kennedy was assassinated. Yeah. No, I saw it. I saw it recently. You did? Yeah. So, so good. And that's that scene where it's, I don't know if it's, if it's Jon Hamm's character, Don Draper, or someone else who walks into the office and the phones are dead. Like the phones aren't ringing. Yes. And that's the sign that something's dead. Yes. And they get there the next day. Something catastrophic has happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Free internet, right? Oh, wait, wait. I misunderstood. I, I saw recently the one where Kennedy is elected over Nixon. Not where Kennedy goes. Oh, I don't remember that one. I'm not quite there yet. Okay. Yeah. The day that Kennedy is elected, they all expected Nixon to win. Right. Like it was a tight election. And then he had some friends in Chicago do some favors for him and Kennedy over the top. The more things change, the more they stay the same. All right. Let's keep going. Cause there's other things we need to get to. Speaking of, I love thirsty, unattractive people on camera. Lena Dunham. Okay. The show Girls is getting a reboot and to announce it, they did this weird fake Zoom call between her and Zosia Mamet and Alison Williams, the daughter of Brian Williams, the two other stars of that show. Adam Driver's apparently not. Oh, great catch. Yeah. Not going to be a part of it. Here's the weird fake soundbite. Zoom call. It's at 34. Al. Hi, Leans. Oh, my God. Hi. Sorry. Didn't see you in a long time. No, like what? 15, 16, 16-ish minutes. Hi, guys. Zosh. Hi, Zosh. I got another big say. Oh, my God. See you, Leans. I'm just going to find a lighter, okay? She should be permanently muted. Yeah. What did you want to ask us, Leans? Okay. So we used to spend like every summer together, you know, doing this thing that we do, making this show. And is it something that you would want to do again? Are you free next summer? I mean, as long as it's not too much of a commitment. I'm not doing like a year. Yeah. One summer's worth. I can't tell what I'm hearing right now. So I'm just going to ask, are you in? I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. What's up, ladies? Hi. What are we doing next summer? Girls. Would you want to do girls again next summer? I'm in. But only because you trash cans need constant supervision. Simple question, though. Seriously, can we still call it girls? Because we're like old as fuck. Okay. I expect the nerve to go all in on this the way you did on the Sex and the City reboot. Oh, it's a hate watch. I as a fairy godmother am requesting this. Consider it granted. No, I said to Marlena, our producer, the other day, I was like, this is our new hate watch for 2027. Yes. Yes. We'll be doing it weekly. Lena Dunham has become. A rectangle. Here's what struck me about that. When she showed up and you went, whoa, I had the same initial reaction, is that she's so filthy looking. Again, it's that subgenus, that Brooklyn hipster that we just saw outside Art of Play. Her hair is greasy. Her lenses are foggy and greasy. She looks like she hasn't brushed her teeth. She's slovenly. Why. Rectangle. Yes. It's just. Am I wrong? No. What I find disturbing about her, because there are people who do struggle legitimately with psychological issues, medical issues, and that's terrible. I think that Lena is very psychologically damaged, very. And I think she considers her body part of her art. She's telling us that there's something fundamentally profoundly wrong with her. She is. It's why we all kind of are like, wait, what's going on here? Why are you presenting this way? Who needs a reboot of this series? This is the series. I've told the audience this before. Doug and I watched a few episodes of this, and then we saw an episode where Lena Dunham's character, and Lena Dunham herself, was playing ping pong naked. I remember this episode. And Doug was like, I'm out. I'm out. Patrick Wilson, that was the episode where she was showing she was still effable, even though she's not a. Traditionally attractive gal. And she cast Patrick Wilson, who's a traditionally good-looking guy, as this guy who couldn't stop himself from having sex with this creature all weekend long, and playing nude ping pong. Dear Lord. It was too much. Now, Adam Driver is the only one who's gone on to really do something really big out of that. I mean, the Alison Williams character starred in the movie Megan, which I'm familiar with because my kids love horror. Yeah. And it had my name, so we went to see it. Oh, yeah, yeah. By the way, I'm totally going to see the Elizabeth Holmes documentary, like, this weekend. I may go see it tomorrow night. I'm very excited to see that. I cannot wait to see that. We'll talk all about it next week. But anyway, so I did see. So she hasn't really done that much. Zosia Mamet, she hasn't really done much. Adam Driver became a big star, played Kyla Ren, among many other roles. He doesn't want anything to do with this. And apparently it didn't end well between Adam Driver and Lena Dunham, who was accusing him of inappropriate behavior on the set. Like, sure, okay. In the pages of her book. Right. In the pages of her most recent memoir, said he threw things at the wall, you know, and like, it was kind of stringing her along, potentially romantically. It's like, why would he have anything to do with her? Oh, my God. Why? His brand is so much bigger than hers now. Wasn't he nominated for an Oscar for Marriage Story with Scarlett Johansson? Probably. He's very well respected now. He's a great actor. She was lucky to find him and cast him in that show. But I just wonder, like, he's had two Oscar nominations, Debbie tells me. But I wonder whether there's an appetite for this. You know, like, what do you think Lena Dunham brings to the conversation in 2027 America? Nothing. Nothing other than I am a freak show. And I wasn't all that surprised to see this reboot, which, by the way, is like five episodes. It's not like even an entire series. Oh, that's like Meghan Markle's second series of as ever. Exactly. Because everything Lena Dunham has tried since Girls has failed to launch. She's done any number of independent films. They have all flopped. The book is one thing. But, like, there is not an appetite, for lack of a better term, for Lena Dunham culturally. Bad. Yeah. See how you sneak that in there. That was just circumstantial. I didn't mean it that way. I did not. You're a writer at heart. It just comes to you. All right. Now, Shane Gillis is in the news for making a joke. Which is absolutely true. That women sometimes dress like whores at the gym. Everyone wants to change it to, he said, women are. our whores, which is not what he said. He said, women are dressing like whores now at the gym, which they totally are. Makes all of us uncomfortable. Cover up. I don't want to look at your vag while I'm trying to work out. That's for you and your boyfriend, sister. Like, why do I want to look at that? They obviously want us all looking at them. And then they posted a little Instagram video being like, oh, he was looking at me. Well, show up with clothes. Stop it. Okay. So now the shrapnel around Shane Gillis is landing on other men like Travis Kelsey, who liked a tweet that had the monologue in it. I mean, who knows what part of it he was liking? Right. Whatever. Who cares? But he's now taking a beating and they're re-upping like old clips of Travis Kelsey saying things that the leftists don't like. Right. The left-wing mob, these feminine Nazis, find offensive. Like, here he is in SOT 18. What is your least favorite word? No. Probably a cowboy, no? Nope. I haven't heard that. What turns you on? No. I'm kidding. That was creepy. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. Now they're very angry that he's not respecting no as opposed to like, he's on a stupid podcast. He's trying to make a clever turn of phrase. This is the best he can do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, hello. And then let me show you this, Maureen. So is it Michael Shea? Is that how you pronounce that? C-H-E? Shea, I think. Shea? Yeah. Okay. So he goes on the Today Show and this is just this week. This is yesterday. And apparently there's a new person on the Today Show I've never heard of before named Laura Jarrett, who is absolutely terrible. Fucking awful. And look at her try to talk. I guess he was on SNL that night, that same night as Jane Gillis. He's always on. As you can see, I don't watch SNL. Okay. He's always on. Forgive me, Michael. I stay away from NBC. So he goes on the Today Show. That makes it even worse. So he's on NBC and he goes on another NBC property, the Today Show. And this idiot, Laura Jarrett, is on the Today Show. And he goes on another NBC property, like he is Shane Gillis, which would be fine, by the way. There's nothing wrong with what Shane Gillis did. But look how she treats him and tries to like, aha, I've got you. In every question she asks him, she is horrid. Watch. In all seriousness, how are you thinking about what happened this week with Shane's opening monologue? You've seen the pushback. No, again, that's comedy. It's like you think it's funny and then some people don't. Did you laugh? Did you laugh? I was at cue cards, actually, thinking about what I was going to say that was going to make people upset. So I wasn't really I didn't even see it till like the next day. And you thought, oh, she's horrid. I didn't think about it, honestly. I think it just didn't. It just was like, you know, if you if you had seen it ahead of time, because the writers get to see the opening monologue right ahead of time, they get to see drafts. If you're not working, it's this. There's so much going on. You really it's really hard to really hard to see what everyone's doing, you know, especially like if like for me, I'm not what they call good at my job. So I don't pay attention to that. OK, she is an asshole. Every question was designed to hurt him, to set him up to say something controversial. And he was too clever for her. To his credit, he just kept getting out of Dodge, which is good. Good for him because he why why feed the beast? How is this his problem? Right. He does the weekend update. Why do you want to ask somebody about this? Ask Lorne Michaels. OK, I was really stop cashing your check. Yeah. Like I was reading the L.A. Times piece of coverage of this. And this is the third time apparently Lorne Michaels has had him on the show hosting the show. They hired him in 2019. They were forced to fire him over like resurface tweets. Yeah. And when did comedy have to start being. Polite, you know, when like the days of George Carlin and Richard Pryor and even Eddie Murphy, like you're supposed to shock you a little bit and offend you a little bit. And this is this is awful. And so Lorne Michaels just goes. Apparently, he's got a place in Maine and he just runs off to Maine when stuff like this happens and lets it blow over. But like Michael Che is at least being like you can see he's like surprised there. The show is not a cultural court of litigation. You go on the Today Show to get glad handed and, you know, whatever. Yes. A certain male gesture. Comes to mind. That's what you expect there. Yes. How is this his his responsibility? She was so nasty. Whatever your name is. No one's ever heard of her. I had no idea that this was even the Today Show when I first saw. Oh, my God. You know who it is? Who? It's Valerie Jarrett's daughter. Stop it. Stop. It's like they only hire the Nipo babies. Jenna Bush Hager. Laura Jarrett. Yeah. Laura Jarrett. That makes. What a fucking nightmare that girl was. That explains the lack of charisma. Did you laugh? Humor. You laughed. How dare you? I saw the ends of your mouth turn up. Well, weren't you? Weren't you on? Aren't you at rehearsals? Like, what is he supposed to do? Ring the fire alarm? I know. You know, like, you don't think. A sexist joke. He used the word whore. You don't think worse goes on at those SNL parties, those after parties, the drugs? Stop. Stop. She's cashing the check just like Jenna Bush Hager, who purported to be outraged by the joke, too. You're so outraged. Why don't you give back the check? That's blood money. Do something about it. Got it. Don't just sit in your little perch and try to make others look bad. Actually, put your money where your mouth is. No, they won't. No. Because it's too important to them. They just want a virtue signal. That's it with their little weird cabal. Meanwhile, Cecily Strong, who became a star on SNL, she's played, you know, tons of famous characters. She's played me. I've met her. She was very nice. But this is bullshit, what she just did. Yeah, she played you. She did. This is back when the left loved me. All right. Yeah. You know, during that period. So I have nothing against her personally, but she came out and posted something in response to the Shane Gillis controversy, being like, I'm on my way to my gym. Maybe I'll stop by and do some sex work on the way, you know, with like a picture of her. All right. Just stop. Shane Gillis said nothing. This is her in her rainbow socks about all women, like whatever. Some women dress appropriately, like apparently Cecily in her rainbow socks, and some women dress like hoes. That's life. That's America. Deal with it. But instead, she decided to pile on and dump on Shane Gillis, which is so fucked up. So she's decided to go out there and be like the champion of women. So we decided to look back to see, is she a champion of women? What does she like portray them in those favorable light at all times because she wants to make sure no negative stereotypes are perpetuated. Let's check in on soundbite 14. Hi, we aren't porn stars. I'm brekkie and you can too, and we aren't porn stars anymore, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a taste for the finest. Did somebody say she let the dogs out one time? I got banged in the statue of Liberty's head. I felt like I was hearing all of America's thoughts. America was thinking, this is her manual blonde Dixie, please. I don't have a butt anymore. I got banged in it so hard. The doctors had to amputate. I woke up from surgery like, what the heck? I thought I got banged into a solar eclipse, but I was really just locked in a trunk. Looking through the keyhole. I was like, either way. Oh, wait a minute. I thought we weren't supposed to make fun of women's looks or women at all. We were all about female empowerment. I guess the rules are different when you can get clicks. Yeah. What she tweeted was on my way to Pilates and my new slutty ass orange shoes and rainbow socks and then might as well sell sex on the way. Not sure. She was there for 11 seasons, Maureen 11 seasons. And by the way, then she said, PS, there was a gang rape at Cornell that maybe won't count because the New York law says if you consent to drinking, you consent to all that happens to you. Do I need a grape emoji to post about this real thing that happened? So once again, the link between his joke about women dressing like sluts at the gym to the Cornell case, which is absurd. And one more point. If she's so protective of women, where was she when all of this was happening on SNL? Sot 16. Good morning, guys. It's an honor to be here today. For those of you who don't know me yet, my father is Mike Huckabee and my mother is a big Southern hamburger. And though I may be leaving this job, I will not be ending my mission. As I told my plastic surgeon, the work is never done. While I look forward to what comes next, leaving is bittersweet. But the time has come for me to turn in my badge, gun, lips, lashes. teeth and forehead as attorney general pam bondy was and i don't say this often terrible it is a shame when somebody gets fired but we should all get we should all be glad that that freckle-chested dragon lady is gone i'm sure you're gonna have other opportunities yeah you could work in sports i mean you already look like a woman's basketball coach who got suspended for pulling on a player's braid you think so yeah i don't remember cecily strong speaking out about any of that no no this is cecily strong's problem like lena dunham she's not been relevant since leaving snl you know very few people who leave snl go on to big careers after that they all think it might happen for them but it's few and far between it's been a long time it's been a long time so for her to like jump on this and like what she posted is so virtue signally too because she looked like you don't see any skin she's basically like oh i have to do sharia law now at the gym like please stop stop right it is desperate it's like come on i like the amount that the women who are weighing in on this comment by shane gillis as though it's obviously this sexist offense that he has to be condemned and canceled for he's already been condemned and canceled like it how many times can you cancel the same person they they asked him back on notwithstanding the first cancellation um it's crossed to the point of absurdity which brings me to casey anthony i couldn't believe this when i saw this in the email today casey anthony has decided to weigh in on shane gillis and snl women can dress however they want this is from her substack which i'm sure you're all subscribed to women in the gym can dress however they want men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves this toxic masculinity trend needs to end these fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality we do not answer to you we do not dress for you we do not need your useless opinions choose men who are allies with women she goes on to say i okay this is somebody else's comment about um about women let's go way to go nbc let's bring on white supremacists and known misogynists he's also not funny and then she says i have said this too many times and i will repeat it as many times as necessary conservatism is literally killing people that's casey anthony you bitch are the only one who has killed somebody your own two-year-old so fuck right off no one wants you in this conversation you murdered your daughter we all know it stay quiet and perhaps we'll ignore you otherwise we don't want to see or hear from you at all the nerve of this bitch to think she can comment on anything in the culture it's shocking because you know had she not murdered her daughter which we all believe she did uh her daughter would be living in this culture and could maybe tell us what she herself thinks of these things now you know what i mean the idea that like casey anthony could hold herself up as some sort of morally outraged feminist whose voice we need in this is she fucking for real a spokesperson on misogyny women hatred how what age women are you defending because it doesn't seem like you love the two-year-olds like walk us through it who who who are we allowed to hate not hate because i guess we can't hate women who are of age to go to the gym and dress like sluts but if they're two we can fucking murder them that's cool like that i'm just trying to get your moral code straight i wonder if she was emboldened by the lindsey clancy trial i wonder if she was emboldened by the lindsey clancy trial i wonder i wonder if she feels some sort of sorority with that like you know if you want to talk about misogyny and like women in the culture casey anthony we all know would never have gotten nearly close to an acquittal had she not be been a semi-attractive young white woman yes that's if she had been a poor black woman forget it she'd be on death fucking row so she could shut her mouth but i think she's been emboldened by this lindsey clancy thing i i think she has that's actually a very good question i think she's been emboldened by this lindsey clancy thing i i think it's a very good point i mean not a week goes by that we don't see another story about a mom killing her children in the wake of lindsey clancy it's becoming like an epidemic yeah we're supposed to just ignore it like they're not inspired by her but we have copycats now and it's sick you know this the whole thing is freaking sick all right speaking of bad moms uh hallie berry i don't know if she's a bad mom or not there's a dispute about whether she's a bad mom she is in like a death fight with her ex-husband who is is it oliver or olivia it's olivia i think martinez who i think most of us only know from the hot french guy in um the one with diane lane and richard oh my god such a great movie uh unfaithful unfaithful thank you so good so by the way when i went to see that yeah i was a young lawyer we were trying a case in davenport iowa we'd been out there for months and we were like oh my god we're going to die we're going to die we're going to die we're going to die and that movie came out and so our lead trial counsel was looking just take the team out for like a night to blow off steam and have fun and you know i guess we hadn't really fully researched it uncomfortable viewing sat i remember sitting in this movie theater in davenport iowa with two junior associates on my left and my right men young men and like no one touched their popcorn no one touched their soda it was like look straight ahead and don't make eye contact with anybody oh my god the scenes were so racy it was like a porno it was such a good movie it was so good and so actually i have a story about where they shot it but like it's it's i love that movie and i love diane lane in it and speaking so good what we've been talking about just like i love the way diane lane is aging i love it same 100 and even in that movie they made a comment about like how her ass is still where it was in college i love that comment because a that's true for diane lane in that movie because you do see her naked and b i've thought about it many times i hit my mid-50s hashtag goals not met who knows where it's at now but she's she's aging with such class and elegance and i just i love it i love that story about unfaithful like like today you could you could bring that to hr and threaten some sort of like why were you sandwiched between two men watching a movie about a hot extramarital affair with multiple sex scenes you know we all get sued today yeah right in there yeah i don't think no one was complaining no i'm sure not it was great movie truly it was like so awkward it's like watching something with your parents you know something sexy with your parents like we're dying to show our kids oh my whole family loves uh thrillers we love watching thrillers together all three kids and doug and i and of course one of the greatest thrillers of all time is fatal attraction but we can't show the kids that like the elevator scene no i know yeah doug actually tried to he was like how about sliver i'm like no oh no what how about sliver watch sliver honey we we did watch and loved together the five of us sleeping with the enemy oh i remember seeing that in the movie theater and that guy who played her husband was amazing he like fell off the face of the earth but he was great i don't know but he was so good he was terrifying so terrifying we love that one and we love and it's good for this time of year um what lies beneath i've never seen it oh maureen you've got to watch that i'll do it this weekend michelle no harrison ford oh right right shell fight for harrison ford and the woman who played the grown-up version of christina crawford in mommy dearest the blonde girl remember you know mommy dearest of course right i know who this is and when she became the adult and she's like on the soap opera yes on the soap opera that girl is she's in it diana scarwood oh for the win i know i have a lot of useless information rattling but i did see like when i was like i was raised in the summers by hbo yeah right yeah so i don't know about you but like they would play these movies on a loop and i think i must have watched mommy dearest one summer like 80 times yes same yeah only now i've become like a sick person when it's on because i laugh because it's so campy it is my kids were in the room and they were like why are you but like when she's chopping the rose bushes you have to laugh with all that makeup on her face the pond's cold cream she's so angry she's chopping the rose bushes i laugh every time but she's not hurting anyone in that scene she's not hurting anyone no but it's a it's a it's it's such a great movie it could if if it had just veered the other way it could have been a real classic but if they don't always said it ruined her career her whole career yeah she was just so she became known so much and she's like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry so much for that role it's such a shame too because she was such a star they done away in network in network and then like when you watch faye dunaway in that movie with like sorry i'm putting my feet up on the table she's got the legs the legs out like yes in the bathing suit or the in the bathing suit and the robe with like the hair up in the towel you're like oh my god that's hollywood glamour right there it really is she nails that it really is and she she's playing such a boss in network like such an incredible yeah like so ahead of her time but like mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore yes but she had all that femininity Like the way she was costumed and like these silks, like they kept the feminine. It was, it's incredible. Three days at the Condor. One of my all time favorite films ever. Yes. Both of them. Like the star power is like falling off of the page. Robert Redford in that movie is like, you can't take your eyes off of him in that peacoat. He's always running to a pay phone. He's got the peacoat up like this. And then the aviators on. And it's like, I die for Robert Redford. All right. Who is hotter? Robert Redford in The Way We Were or Tom Cruise in Top Gun? Redford. No question. Easy. Easy. Wow. Redford oozed sex. Tom, you look at him on a screen and you're like, objectively, this guy, unconventionally beautiful, like a face that like works somehow. If he took this, the parts off, maybe not so much, but I like when he's doing like love scenes, it's, it's difficult. I find like. He doesn't ooze sex. Yeah, I agree. Who would you rather be? Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman or Jennifer Aniston in Friends? Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. She's got bite. She's not like a mewling. Like, I'm so cute. I'm like 35. Aren't I still cute? No, like, like Julia Roberts is like formidable, you know, and like has, has street smarts and is going to like figure it out. Like, yeah. Yeah. Minus the prostitution. Okay. So how about Kristi Noem or Katie Zakaria? Neither. Neither. I do not shoot dogs. I love dogs as we know. And I, like you said, you said barrel curls. I like that alone. Like, like there's a deer in the headlights quality to Katie that I just, I sympathize. R.I.P. RBG or Sandra Day? Oh, Sandra Day. Yeah. Oh, come on. Like a little girl looking in the pages of Time Magazine. Like the first female Supreme Court justice. She was pretty. Sandra Day. No offense to RBG, who was like, she was a badass in her own right. She wasn't my cup of tea politically, but a badass in her own right. But Sandra Day was always very beautiful. She had it all. She had like this beauty, sex appeal, a great family, and then goes on to become the first female Supreme Court justice. And what I admired about her too, I don't even know if I was really clocking it at the time, but like, there wasn't a kind of like, look at, like agreed she did. And like, I'm saying as a little girl. Like I, I really looked up to her, but like, there was no sort of like, look at all the boundaries I broke and she just did it. She, like, she let her presence make the statement. Yes. Right. Yes. You know, who was like the biggest badass of them all in Hollywood? Who? Catherine Hepburn. Oh yeah. I really admire her. What's your favorite Catherine Hepburn movie? I mean, I, I came of age when on Golden Pond was the biggest film that she was in. You know, she was obviously before our era. Yeah. And I loved her in that. But I. Read her autobiography. I need to read that. It's so good. It's me. It's called me. And you have to wait for it. If you can get it on Amazon, but it takes a while to get there because it's out of print. It's been out of print for a while, but she, Doug was like, why are you reading that? It's just so not timely and not connected with anything. And I was like, I just wanted to read a bio about like a truly badass woman, you know, not this fake badassery that we see everywhere today, but somebody who is like really a fucking A, like she came up in a man's world for sure and didn't complain about it. She was raised by a, a very loving family, but the dad, you know, I think I may have told you this, like made them do trapeze work over a gravel driveway. No, I didn't know that. Yes. He wanted them to take risks, but she was a, she got her leftist credentials. She went to Bryn Mawr, you know, she did all that stuff, but she just did not suffer fools. Maureen, like she, she got bad reviews and she was like, oh, I, I, I thought I was wonderful. I guess they think I was horrible. Like she was just a realist. She was the opposite of these. Like. Virtue signaling victim, like women today who are looking for their next crisis or like syndrome that they don't actually have to make themselves feel special. She would have been horrified by what's happening with some young American women today. She was all grit and I just really admire her. So one of the most, I love a good Hollywood memoir and I'm reading and I'm really savoring it. Jean Tierney is one of my favorite movie stars of all time. I think I've spoken to you about Laura before, which is an incredible New York city film noir that I know you would love. You would love it. And, um, but Jean Tierney, she was, she was like a Hepburn in that she came from like, I believe new England, East coast, wealthy family, best education, a face like nobody else before. Like she was spotted by someone who was like, you're a movie star. You're a movie star. And, um, she had her, her memoir opens. She's, um, standing on the ledge of her mother's apartment building in Midtown Manhattan on the 15th floor and wondering if she's going to jump. Oh, wow. Oh, and the defining moment of Jean Tierney's life, the before and the after during world war two, she was active in the war effort. She was pregnant with her first child. She was dying to become a mother. She goes to this USO event, this war event. And, um, she, she, she meets a lot of people, shakes hands, gives birth to this child. With such severe developmental delays that the child has to go live in a home smash cut to like 15 years later, this woman comes up to her and says, Jean, I'm sure you don't remember me. I met you at that war event and I had like rubella and my doctor told me, don't go out of the house, but I just had to meet you. And it was that human contact, the shaking of the hands that infected her unborn baby and cause those. Those developmental delays. So Jean Tierney lived with this, her entire, it's such an incredible story, but it's told without self pity. It's told without, you know, look at me and everything I've survived. It's just, it's, it's a unique. Yes. Without self pity. It's such a difference from where we are today. Yes. She, Catherine happened to write some, that book about when her mom died and she was close. The whole family was very close. Her brother died. Her brother either committed suicide or died in what looked like a game. A pretending to strangle himself. It's ambiguous, weird thing. It seems like he killed himself, but I don't know. He sounded very happy and like he, he hanged himself like off the side of the bed. It was very weird. But when her mom died, she, and she was close to their mom. She writes about like, I walked in the room. There she was. She was dead and she was in the bed and like, okay, got to support dad now. Like, I'm not saying you shouldn't mourn the people who are in your family, but like it was such the opposite attitude of what we have today. Where it's like nothing bad has to happen to you at all. You can just adopt other people's upset as your own and ask people to feel sorry for you. You know that you're so distressed by the George Floyd thing. You can't complete your law school exams at the end of the year, which was a thing. Like it's now like borrowed sorrow that people are latching onto. It's just the opposite of strength and resilience and what I think the true, the true American spirit was, was based on. Like we, we made that a term based on real people and we're losing it. Yes. And what's so, so great about the Stallone interview that I was mentioning earlier is I had no idea his childhood was his childhood. I didn't know anything about his childhood. Beyond abusive, beyond abusive Megan. And then they sent him to a home for like, they sent him to like a mental institution for a week. And I mean what, and he says in the interview, I'm saying things I didn't even know. I didn't even put in the book because I don't want to pity party like, Oh, poor Sylvester. That's not me. That's definitely not him. And Rocky was the outgrowth of that grit and that determination that this does not define me, you know, but, but at 80 years old, he's sitting there talking about giving his father a pivotal tiny role in Rocky. He's ringing the bell, the pivotal Apollo Creed fight and his father won't do it. He won't play ball. He's like fucking with the scene. And Sylvester says, to himself, he says to the interviewer, he says, I know I, I, I, I, it shouldn't surprise me that he was going to do that. But I said to myself, I want to put him in this movie because I just want him to love me for a little bit. He says, just love me for a little bit, you know, and he couldn't even get that, but he's also, he's, he's relaying like these very human stories that speak to everybody's inner child. Everybody's got pain from being a child. Right. And he's all, he's saying I survived it. So can you. Right. I survived it. So can you not like those two, like Harry and Megan, like for me and my castle, I'll never be fulfilled, you know? Okay. Okay. And honestly, like, again, forgive me, but like, I know Harry's mom died at a young age. I too was a teenager when I lost a parent, my dad, but like to make this the defining feature of who you are, right. You know, to like, this is the thing that has to come up all the time is such a long loss. It's such a missed opportunity. It's such a sadness. And like how disappointed Diana would be that he's chosen to do that. How disappointed my dad would be in me if I ever chose to do that. Like that's, that doesn't, that that's part of your story. It's not your story. Yes. Yes. And you would think that, I think the healthy way to integrate it would be if Harry were healthy, his mother would want him to have a wonderful life, a fulfilled, happy, joyful life, go forward and do that in that's a, that's honoring. her legacy, right? - Yes. But to remain stunted and rageful and resentful is not the greatest testament. But you and I both know, in a way, that's honoring her legacy, too. I know. I know. Like, we don't talk about it because she died tragically, and she's this figure, 36 years old, like Marilyn, like so many of the figures. But Diana was very, very troubled. She was. She was extremely troubled. She was. And, like, Wills is lucky he takes after his father. That's the truth. Like, we can admire her as an icon, a fashion icon, a fascinating figure by any measure. Yes. As they all are. They're multilayered. Like, the most fascinating people are multilayered. They're not, like, perfect figures. But, you know, Harry's got his mother's issues. That's obvious. And he married somebody with even more issues than both of them. Yeah. And I also think that William had the benefit of being the older child. As the older child, you are exposed to a lot more. That's true. The younger children, like, they're buffeted. You know, they don't see as much or hear as much. Like, I definitely have memories that my brother doesn't have. And somewhat vice versa. But as the older, I think William probably admitted to himself more about his mother's faults than Harry probably could. I'm going to start being a lot harder on Thatcher. I think that's really. Is that your takeaway? I got to really put him through the rigor. I want him to wind up strong. We love you all. This turned into. A three-hour extravaganza. Thank you so much for listening. Please do go and subscribe to The Nerve. You will thank me and Maureen. It's such a wonderful program. And I love you, my dear friend. I love you, Megan. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. All right. Have a great weekend. We'll see you guys all on Monday. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.