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So after the Brony James decision of 629, which I'm never going to forget, that move, where Brony's contract was guaranteed for $26.27, just over $2 million. All of this are kind of waiting around, right? And there's been different scenarios. There was some golden state momentum because I think a lot of people would just be so excited about how interesting that would be. And we've covered all this before. I've talked about the teams that I thought would make sense. But there's something that's happening that I think is worth revisiting because I always love going back and looking at history to try to predict what's happening right now. Because his group for whatever reason, and I'm like, I like Rich Paul a lot, but I would say, and I think I even said it once the last time we talked to each other, which was just a game we randomly ran into each other. He's a huge college football fan. So he only want to talk about college football. But I had said something where I thought, like, maybe he was coming over to give me a shit about that, but he's actually really smart. And he's like, I was going to give you shit about anything. I said, I don't care what you say. I would say this in the past. And I'll say it again, I don't understand the obsession with just kind of wasting everybody's time. And they love doing it. They just love doing it because I think this whole, we control the message thing, which they do a very good job of. I think it's like a detriment to the team that you're going to sign with because everybody's on hold. And it's funny now, I was thinking about it this morning. I was getting ready for the show. This is now three times in six years that I felt bad for Hart. And that would be the Kyrie situation with the Nets, the Sixers exit. And now right now, like even if he's not my favorite bet to get it done in the playoffs, maybe there'll just be a full circle moment where Hart and will be over my house, which is to hash it all out. We'll talk about it. But right now, like I feel bad about the situation he's in, even though there is a Cleveland move to be able to try to find a way to get LeBron at a certain number, depending on whatever that number is, if it really is the minimum, then all of this stuff is super solvable. But it also means there's all these other fan bases trying to figure out if he's actually in play when none of us really think that he is and that it's ultimately going to be Cleveland. And it's always been Cleveland, but they just like doing this shit, which also tells me that retirement Torah is going to be like unhinged. I don't know if it's an attention-seeking thing. I don't know if there's some deficiency there. Maybe does he go home and the kids don't listen? Does the wife not listen? You know what I mean? Like sometimes I will wonder, why is this so important to you? But I think it's just when you're a global star, that's not necessarily something that you want to walk away from because it's probably a lot of fun to have everybody talking about you that much. Or at least they seem to enjoy it as much. I would think this many years in, you still want to do all this shit. But yes, is the answer. They do want to do all this shit. There's only been one LeBron move where I felt very locked in about what was going to happen. And that was when he left Miami to go back to Cleveland. That was the only time I felt like I had good information. And again, I'm telling you right now, this is just speculative based on the history. So if you go back to 2018, which is important here, that's when he went to the Lakers after leaving Cleveland. I think a lot of people after the fact made it sound like that was an automatic. But remember what the Lakers did, roster wise, and some of the conversations that we had eight summers ago when we were trying to figure out if he was going to go stay in Cleveland, go to LA, maybe go to LA in a year because he was doing those year to year, year to year deals with Cleveland, which drove them crazy when he did a longer term thing with more security with the Lakers. And then Philadelphia. Philadelphia was theoretically in play in 2018. So LeBron ended up going to the Lakers and the group there was MoVogner who wasn't even a guy yet. They brought in Rondo. There was the KCP contract. Remember the year prior in 17, he got a one year deal at $17.7 million. You're like, wait a minute. Who is his agent? We're like, oh, it's clutch. Like, hey, we'll pay KCP almost $18 million when nobody else will. For one year, just to let you know how much we appreciate the operation you have over there. And if LeBron were to want to come to the Lakers, they also signed Lance Stevenson, Cheval McGee. They had Caruso who wasn't a real guy yet. That was also part of it. Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma, Tyson Chandler was done. I mean, Caruso only played 62 games in the first two years of his career there in LA. But the thought was when it happened, you're like, that's what they're doing around him. Like, that's where he wants to go. I remember, too, there was like this argument. They're like, they're going to get out run. This is most athletes LeBron's ever had. Like, they're just going to be like, no, they're not going to run because LeBron's the best half court player we've maybe ever seen. So he doesn't want to run. And he doesn't have to run because what he does works every single time. Anyway, so that was the collection of guys that he teamed up with. And it was pretty underwhelming. I don't know if he had been more open with the Lakers of like, I'm coming in 2018. So like prepare the ships. If there is a possibility there, but part of the argument was that he could stay in the East because the East was weaker. They were getting to the finals. It felt like constantly Boston was still too young. They were ahead of schedule. And there was either the Cleveland scenario or there was the Philadelphia scenario. Philadelphia had just been eliminated in the playoffs early on. But you felt terrific about and beads future back then. And yes, this is real. We all collectively felt great about Ben Simmons' future. I know faults. It only played. I think what 12 games or something like that 10 games 14 games. But he had the shoulder injury. I was reading Brett Brown quotes this morning about how much better he looked in 2018 and 2019 and working on it and like, oh, there's some real confidence. And what was he supposed to say? He was the interim general manager at the time. All right. So there was this embed Simmons pairing in 2018 that felt like it was a much better opportunity than this collection that the Lakers had kind of had to piece together likely being a roster that was not ready for LeBron. And that's exactly, I mean, it took him a little while and it took the transaction of Anthony Davis to change all this around. But the 2018 thing, you're like, man, from a basketball standpoint, like, yeah, it stays in the East. Like he goes, like, if this is what really matters.
Why would he go to the Lakers? They have faults. I mentioned Sarge. That's right. Sarge was a lottery pick two years in. He was part of the selling coin as well. So it comes time to take these meetings and then what happens? This contingency from Philadelphia flies out to LA meets up with Rich Paul. It's the ownership group. It's Brett Brown and LeBron doesn't show up. Well, why would they be pushing out the LeBron to Philadelphia thing? Because that's what his group was doing. It wasn't like all of us just made it up. That was being pushed as a destination. And all you have to do is look at his podcast with Kellerman, which was fucking hysterical where they were mapping out 27 scenarios of teams that they could go to when they whiteboarded up. I was entertained by it. It was entertaining. I thought it was mostly bullshit. But what we learned in 2018 is the whole Philly thing was also kind of bullshit. He didn't even show up to the meeting. And when I finally did a little bit more digging after the fact, I'm like, why was that a thing? I was like, well, Ben Simmons is a clutch client. And at the time, LeBron's group felt like keeping Philadelphia in the mix was somehow a service to them would somehow make them look better. The perception of the Sixers would be improved because it felt like they were a real scenario for LeBron when in fact, he was never going there. And I was like, all of that because Ben Simmons is on the team and he's a client and he's important. Like that to me is a lot of energy wasted on a scenario that was never going to happen. Like did you do Philly a favor or did you get their fans hopes up? Did you waste a ton of people's time with that organization? And then I was reading again, the quotes this morning was like, hey, there's shows that we're a first class organization. This shows that we're going to be in on any marquee free agent, you know, exactly what I would say if I own the team, but I'd also be like, so he's not coming. He's not even going to talk to us. And we're supposedly in on this. Is that what's happening right now in 2026? Is this just this group somehow perceiving this is a favor to an organization and be like, we'll let you, we'll let you think, we'll let the fans think, let everybody think, you know, even from a planning standpoint, even though like Philly's really made most of their moves already, but we'll let you think that this is a possibility because that's what it feels like. I personally think it's a waste of everybody's time. They clearly do not. A couple other thoughts here, the Kwai Leonard trade being frozen that happened right after we taped on Thursday. There's two very different statements here. Oh, look, the Clipper side of it is longer, but I just wanted to touch on a couple of things because I've seen it kind of presented two different ways, at least on the Toronto side. One is that Toronto was blind to this idea that this trade could be frozen. I've read that. There's also news out there that it said, Toronto would be given a heads up because the investigation in the Kwai Leonard Clipper situation is not complete that there could be something and therefore Toronto would be on the hook for it if they're going to want to continue to do this trade. I know like everybody else, we're kind of at a point now where like, hey, we thought there should be over. I don't know if it's not over because they don't have enough and this is a simple thing of like, it's a lot of hearsay where we can call connected dots and go clearly something weird here happened, but if you can't prove it, then nothing's going to happen. Then again, if nothing's going to happen, how's that going to go over the media for the NBA? How's that going to go over for the other NBA teams that are pissed off about this? I don't think a nothing is going to happen thing happens here, but then you also understand too. If you think you're going to do this to us, then we're going to fight back and so all of this stuff has kind of worked out collectively, but then Toronto's sitting there going, hey, we just want the player because of all of these offseason moves. If we're talking about one that really moves the needle and I don't know that you're going to get 25, 26 Kauai again in Toronto. But if you get anything close to that and taking out bad brain and ingram playoff possessions, which are all of them and pair him with this Scotty Barnes version where I've never been more bullish on Scotty Barnes, the Toronto, like now I look at them differently. But what happens if he's suspended for 30 games? I just wanted to make this point, does it even matter, he didn't even play a full season when they won it all in 2019. I mean, Kauai gets to do whatever he wants. The funniest part about all of this Kauai stuff is that imaginative any high profile, well, he's obviously very high profile. How about this? Imagine if an NBA star with a high profile who actually talked, was caught up in this. Kauai gets this incredible pass because he doesn't really talk to anybody. We've already accepted. It's like, I don't know what's going on there. Like there is perhaps no personality in there whatsoever. If it was another kind of like front facing dude, and this is strange to say because he's felt like the face of a couple of different franchises at different times here. But we have just accepted that he's not going to play along. And in a way, it's benefited him massively throughout all of this because like other guys at his level would have to do the sit down with somebody at ESPN. They would have to do whatever it is to kind of like open up a little bit, turn the page in either apologize or lie or do whatever, but they'd have to address it. With Kauai, we've just accepted that that's never going to happen because he's just not going to do it, which in a way, I kind of admire from the guy. But if he's suspended, Toronto sure can go back to the Clippers and say, okay, we need to take back one of these picks. If I'm the Clippers, I would say, absolutely not. What are you going to do? Not want Kauai back in Toronto? Good luck with that. So I don't even know how the negotiation would go. But if it ends up that the news becomes, well, why is he suspended, which would become its own debate on whether or not we feel that that's the right thing to happen. If somebody's putting it off or in front of you, again, I don't know if this is a, it'll be interesting to see what the punishment is because it'll be like, I can't believe it's that little. It's like, yeah, but there's a big difference between what we can talk about and then what somebody can actually prove to punish one of their partners. But if part of this is that they feel like the NBA's investigation feels like the Kauai was complicit in this somehow, him getting suspended for a few games probably isn't that different from what the plan would be if he were totally clear and getting a contract essentially from Toronto because he wasn't going to place 75 anyway. One last thought on some of the stuff in this weekend, the Gary Trent contract. This is one of the all time worst contracts in NBA history, but everybody knew that it was coming. 64 million over four years, all guaranteed. When I saw the headline, I was like, is there any way, but what had happened, as everybody knows, there was some, some deals that were a little below market level and there were, there were other people going like, I cannot wait to see what that Gary Trent number comes in at because then he had a terrible season and he got four years, 64 million. And if there was some sort of understanding, you'd be taken care of later on, which believe it or not does happen in this league, Milwaukee's run of trend and look, they were stuck. Their guy didn't want to be there. As an aside, bucks Twitter, you guys can just stay in your fucking lane of trying to tell me, Dame Lillard is actually not bad on defense telling the world that it's an ESPN, Shoms creation that Yannis wants to leave. And then when I laughed at the Trent contract, I had like real guys on bucks Twitter trying to somehow like critique something else is if that was like a good comeback to laughing at this contract. And I'm laughing at it because I think a lot of people knew that this was going to happen. But once that major domino falls and you were sitting, I think this run for the last few years of the bucks is a lesson of the next team. It's like when your guy starts dipping his toe into wanting to leave, get it over with, especially once you've won an NBA championship. Because the domino effect of all of these deals, these trades, the Dame waving, the money spent on Turner, it'd be nice if they hit on a few more of the draft picks. But this is, and again, a lot of it has to do with one of my, one of my, if you're John Hirschlake, what am I supposed to do, give up like I'm trying to figure out any way to salvage is reinvented around Yannis the entire time. But that's always been my biggest issue with this deal and looking at the heat package back for it. I mean, that's the other thing too. Look at all the guards that they've brought in. They have Rollins. They have Porter. They traded for Lavert. They have hero in the trade. And then it's like, yeah, let's make sure we get Gary Trent 64 million guaranteed. How about you do this in the future? Gary Trent's going to walk for a better deal in the minimum, let him. You're going to be okay. What happens when you lock 18 co-workers in an office for one week to compete for a quarter million dollars of cash? This is surviving bar stool season five presented by Rumble Premium where each episode releases three hours early. So get it out free before anybody else only when you join Rumble Premium. New episodes of surviving bar stool will be released every Sunday and Wednesday, leading up to the Labor Day finale on September 7. You can watch surviving bar stool at 5pm on Rumble Premium and everywhere else at 8pm Eastern.
He has the new head coach over the Orlando Magic. It is Sean Swinney joining us on the podcast. Thanks for doing this man. How are you? - Great, thanks for having me. - Okay, so what's it like interviewing for a head coaching job? What do you do to prepare for something like that? - It depends on the one, but basically you're studying the team, studying what they played like, what you think you could do with their roster, what changes you would make, and then in some situations, you're trying to look at like, who was the previous head coach, and what did he do that the guys interviewing you didn't like and trying to make sure you don't hit on those things. But yeah, it's pretty exhaustive. Orlando was actually the most thorough interview that I had. - Why is that? - Nine and a half hours long, and they did the best job. Jeff and those guys did the best job of when they asked the question. They had follow-up questions that were like layered. So there was more depth that you had to give in terms of what you were talking about. Hey, this is what I think about what schemes would be good offensively and then they'd ask why and could you describe different things within it. So it was by far the most thorough of any of the ones that I did. I imagine when somebody like you, I mean coaches are prep freaks to begin with, but you start your NBA career as a video coordinator, and we just know that that is all about preparation. It's preparation for every single of the president. So I am always kind of like from a distance going, you must over-prepare in a way where you're like, I wanna have everything covered for every single one. You probably learn those teams in preparation for the interviews better than you've ever learned them ever going up against them in an actual game on another staff. Yeah, yeah, and then, yeah, definitely. And then sometimes after is like, why the hell did I spend all that time doing that? (laughing) Yes, that's where, yeah. Okay, so then specific to Orlando, what do you think sold them on you? Well, I thought we came into a very, you know, aligned in terms of how we saw the team just naturally. You know, I think the big thing that I looked at was how do we take what has been successful in some ways, and obviously from getting hurt last year, a lot of people would point to that as to why the magic potentially didn't get through that first round, but how do we take that and build upon it, trying to be specific in certain things that we feel like we can measure and improve upon. But I think just at the end of the day, you know, I wanted to go into it really prepared, thorough in terms of how I looked at the team, but try to communicate my thoughts clearly and concisely, make sure that I knew what I was talking about, because clearing concise doesn't matter if you sound like an idiot, but just in general, try to make sure that I was really locked in on what I thought needed to be done, and looking at the strengths and the weaknesses, not just, you know, we got to do this differently. This is a podcast that loves this Orlando roster, okay? We are pro magic guys on this pod. I, with you, I really like that front office, the drafting record of like, we love Paula, we'll get to that as well. So I think their times throughout the season are doing this pod, we do it three days a week, we do a ton of NBA where you're like, "Man, I'm so frustrated by Orlando." What do you, because that's because of the talent that you're walking into? So I know it could be a little delicate because, you know, the coaching world is a small fraternity, but what do you think needs to be solved with this group to get them into position or we don't have a repeat of what happened last year? - Well, you know, to me, the big things is just, there's got to be an activation of all five guys a little bit more often here. So whether that's playing with more pace and getting into things quicker, being more clear in our spacing, making sure that we make the right decision. You know, I think just in general, the more that we hunt baskets and not the ball, we're gonna be in better shape. And then defensively, this team a couple of years ago was rock solid at the top of the league and getting back to that, I think is a big deal too. You know, like a good defense travels. And, you know, if you've got a great defense, you're gonna put yourself in a position regardless of the night. You know, the game at the end of the day is getting more shots, getting better shots than your opponent. And so if we can get to that, which I think we can, we're gonna be in good shape. - In the past, sometimes you look at a team and say, okay, well, that's a lot of on ball, guys. There's only one basketball, you know, whatever. There's too many overlaps there. And now I feel like the game has shifted here where it's like, there's nothing better than to have four, sometimes even five guys that if they have a ball in their hands, they can escape with it. And when I think about Paulo, Franz, Bane, Black, you know, we can even name some other guys here where it's a lot of players that probably like to initiate on ball. And I see it as a positive, but it's almost like they have to understand that all being good on ball doesn't mean taking turns. All being good on ball means like, we should just get stuck less. And I felt like it was a very turn-based offense now for a couple of years. - Yeah, I think, you know, one of my mentors again, Tim Gergerich used to always say, whoever has the ball is the point guard. So if you pass at the center, he's got to be a decision maker. If you pass at this guy on a throw ahead, he's got to be a decision maker. And I think that's more applicable than ever in today's game that whomever has the ball because these guys are so skilled a lot of times, they can create, but once you create, you've got to make a good decision with this, to shoot at it or pass it. And I think that's something that, like you said, they can escape more. But the best teams I've had been part of, coach, and we've had a lot of guys that can all go get buckets and get themselves shots. And then if there's two guys guarding them, it's passed the damn ball to your teammate. - The shooting numbers have been a problem. That's why there was such an emphasis on acquiring Bane. And I think Bane was a home run last year. Like they, I'm sure, whether it's publicly or privately, you know, like, yeah, we know we gave it the picks, who knows what the length of being, but like we'll do that deal all over again. Can the shooting numbers, well, I guess I'd look at it this way. How much do you think the shooting numbers suffer from guys that are average to blow-ever shooters versus some of the shot selection that you've watched from this group? - I mean, shot selection is always where it starts. You know, if you're not shooting a good percentage, it's either you're bad shooter, you're taking bad shots, just as a general rule. So the more we can create good looks, the better we're gonna be. You know, I think there's definitely some room to improve there. - Yeah, I think you're being nice about it. 'Cause I think they would run the clock late and it would be a lot of like, I guess I gotta shoot this now. And so I'm not saying this is Golden State from Pete Golden State years, from the collection of shooters that you have. But it just was an offense that, you know, like I said, yeah, we were sitting here. I mean, I'm sharing the frustration with you and you're like, "Hey, I wasn't around back then." You mentioned running, will this group run? 'Cause you would think on paper you'd want to run. - Well, when we were in Dallas, we were a top 10 pace team. The year I was doing the offense and Luca Doncic was our point guard. So if Luca can be in the top 10 and pace, the thing just about anybody can. And obviously his skill set is the best offense player of all time or whatever they're about. But yeah, we can run, we can get the ball at the floor, we can get over by 21 on the shot clock as a general rule here. Yeah, we can be that. - Yeah, 'cause, you know, I think like there've been times the past where LeBron would be with the group. And something I talked about even the start of this podcast today and it's like, "Hey, you know, get out, run." Get young people and it's like, "Well, LeBron is so good at dissecting everything that's happening that he actually wants to control the half court." That Luca number surprised me. 'Cause again, it's somebody who's like, "What do you want me to do? Just let me get the ball. I will figure it out." And then I'm still gonna give you a great option in the entire time. And I think Palo on ball, that's what I've loved about him so much is that you've got this massive human being that can play like a point card. I don't think he actually wants to be, I don't think, I don't look at him as somebody who's like, "I just want to have the ball all the time." But I think he's so good in some of these two-man mismatches that he can work himself into. I wonder if it's hard to break him of the habit of wanting to dissect what's happening the half court instead of being like, "Hey, dude, you getting downhill with Anthony Black and some of these other guys?" Like, that's where we want to start to position. And if we don't have, we pull it out and we have plenty of time to run something in half court. - Yeah, I think, you know, how you run, you know this, like, it's not just to get fast break layups. It's to give yourself more time if you don't get that. You know, everybody would love to, "Hey, touch the paint quick, score the basketball or touch the paint, throw it through it, open guys swing it, shot." But when you don't have that and you need to create an advantage, you need to use whatever actions you like early in a possession to create an advantage. If you're starting it at 14 on the clock or 16 on the clock and it's slow moving and how there's a switch and an ISO and you only give yourself X amount of time, it gets harder. I mean, that's why you see in the playoffs. That's why, with the spurs, we press every possession. Take more time. Start your possession later. Now you got to work against, you know, a physical as defense and we got, you know, big fellow behind us, you know, but that's why you're trying to get into things quicker, you know, like often times in the playoffs, we talk about adjustments and what are we gonna do differently.
and a lot of times that it is starting with, we have to play faster and get into our stuff sooner. So I think that's a big deal, just in general. - Is that disconnect, just like I think that's why coaches are always frustrated 'cause you just know like if I could get this much more effort out of you, some of our pros we fix, then you know as a player too, it's like, yeah, I'm tired, man, I'm tired and I'm not gonna be able to do this every single possession the way you want me to be able to do it. How do you, how do you hammer that message in a way that feels satisfying? - Well, I mean, you just hit it though, I think it starts with, we gotta get in shape, you know, and every team has to go through some version of that. You gotta be in shape enough to do it. But I think there's, you know, how many guys you play as part of it, you know, if you're gonna shorten the rotation, you know, only play, you know, a short rotation, it's gonna be harder to tell guys to run every time, it's gonna be harder to tell them to give max effort. So some of it's on us as coaches to make sure we make good decisions as to how we use our rotations, how many guys we play. But then there's a level of, you gotta teach it, you gotta emphasize it, and then sometimes you gotta demand it. - What's it been like getting to know Paolo? - It's been good, yeah, I didn't know him, but I knew a number of people around him prior to it. You know, Miss Johnson, who I just worked for as a Seattle guy, went to the same high school, Spencer Haas, who I coached, my man Yee Haas, he's Seattle guy, he knew Paolo. So I got a little bit of an understanding from those guys prior to it. And since getting the job, it's been really, really, really good. I wanted to Seattle a couple weeks ago, spent some time up there working out with him, seeing how things were going up there. So I've liked it a lot, he's a smart kid. He's serious about how he wants to be a great player and a great winner in this league. And he's in great shape in working his ass off, which is important. It feels like you've been, I don't know if it looks the right way, but different stats you've been on, like the number one guy gets it and a lot of your stops. Is that something that you think with your background, you can get through to Paolo and be like, "Hey, maybe I'm assuming too much." You're like, "Hey, Franz is nasty, Bane's nasty as well." But I guess when you know the number one overall pick and the early part of Paolo's career and kind of like, all right, what's that next step going to look like for him? Do you think he's had enough seasoning in the league to understand what he is tasked with beyond just getting buckets? - Well, he got no choice now. But I think, no, all those guys that you just mentioned, like there's a lot of high level players on this team that are serious about winning. And you know, as it pertains to Paolo and his teammates, you know, my job is to give them organization, structure, clarity in their roles. You know, those guys are like the main characters in this movie, I'm a supporting character. And we're all essential to have a good movie made, but I've got to do a good job. And our staff has to do a good job, you know, why we brought in guys like Greg Buckner and Joe Prunty still here, DJ Baker, like those guys, like we have to do a great job of making sure that we communicate clearly what we want them to do and then play and coach in a style that lends itself to their talents. - We mentioned Star as a video coordinator. We are, I love PJ Carlisomal going all the way back. He comes on, he comes on the pod all the time. Nobody's, nobody's quicker to invite you to a dinner. Give me your favorite PJ story from having to prepare something for him. Or maybe it's just something else. It doesn't even have to be that. Just, we love PJ Carlisomal stories. - PJ was the best because, so Popeye Jones and I were on the staff, Popeye's on the staff here. And we were preparing the game plan for plan and the Knicks, I think it was on MLK Day. And we were in there all day and it was, here the Knicks were good, J. Kid was there. Like they had that, they were the two C, they were rolling. Like the garden was back, all that stuff. And we were preparing and so PJ makes us meet with him. And we walk into the conference room and he's got 30 box scores laid out on the table. And he's like a beautiful mind and they're like highlighted and circled. And we went through the game plan for like, I mean, no bull, like two hours. And he's telling us it won't work, it won't work, it won't work. And finally goes, all right, well, if it doesn't work, it's your asses. And then the next day he went in and sold it to the team like it was his. And so like, he would do that. We're like, you had to defend your answers all the time. And if you did, he'd roll with it. - Do you look at what you've done and why you've stood out? Like you've been talked about where I think there are some teams, like I think the Lakers have done a good job with this with their staff where it's almost a football matchup specific game plan, where I think there's other staffs that are still even in 2026. It's like, hey, this is who we are, roll the ball out. This is kind of what we want to do. Do you think there is room to be more game-to-game specific with game plans with the way the NBA goes about it? - Yeah, well, I think as long as your system and your base level is sound, you can add layers to it, you know, more likely going game-to-game. I think so, to me, the biggest thing now is the ability to lock in on player tendencies game-to-game. You have to be great at that. You have to be able to understand who these guys are on a nightly basis. But then I do think there's room to adjust your schemes based on who you're playing that night, but your foundation has to be really strong. So early in the year, you may not be able to do as much as you could late in the year. But yeah, you've got to do that to a certain extent. Like you just talked about, a lot of teams have numerous guys. Who can go get a bucket? So you've got to be really sound in that. But yeah, it starts with your system and your foundation, then your game plans got to be rock solid. And then you have to know the tendencies and be able to execute against them. Do you think you'll ever watch that finals again? Absolutely not at all. I don't lose a lot of sleep over games. I've lost a lot of sleep over that series. Yeah, not fun. But thanks for bringing it up. I have more thoughts. Please let me dive in. We're already here. The right answer, and a simple answer would be, if I asked you what happened, just go Jalen Brunson happened. So I would accept that as an answer. If I wanted another answer, what happened? I think a few things. One, I think there's a little attrition having to go through the previous series. Two bad luck. They told me if the games were like 46 minutes or whatever, we would have won four won. Jalen obviously had a monster game in that last one. Coach Tim and Dallas, happy for him. Kind of, but like, I think there's some of that. And I think we just made more mistakes than we had made in the previous series. And you could maybe say some youth to that. But like, you don't do what you did and just all of a sudden become young. The one thing I think that's a little different in the finals than the other rounds is, when you have to do a media in the finals, you have to answer questions even when you've played poorly or struggled. And you don't have to do that in the previous rounds. You know those guys, like, all year, if they have a longer media session, it's 'cause they've done something good. Like, you don't have 15 minutes of answering, like, why didn't you make this play? Are you too young? Are you guys on the same page? What do you think about Coach's decision? So I think that's like a different deal and can obviously contribute to it. But then like you said, Jalen Brunson happened as probably a good answer to. - And OG's asked, "Yeah, I mean OG, I'll never. " Like, I'm already ready to apologize if I'm critical of them next year at any moment during the season. Because of what I think of him now as a player. You know, there's like a whole, you know, there were things with OG that I loved. It's like, "Hey, this guy would fit on and he'd kind of team." And then you're like, "Oh, is he always available?" And you look at the kind and then it's just like, "Okay, never mind." Like, don't worry about the little things with him because there's, he was just a monster, all playoffs and a huge difference in that series. - And he's like elite on ball, elite in different areas on defense. I mean, when he was in Toronto, I think we were in Detroit, he gave us 51 time. I mean, you know, like some guys, they're far more talented than the opportunity they get every day and you need those guys to be okay with that if you wanna win, you know, like this dude's a good player who, when he was called upon, was ready to roll. You know, I mean, he's impressive, man. He's really good. - All right, so I love that you said the thing about the young thing, 'cause that drives me crazy a little bit too. It's like, well, then if they're young, they lose game seven at O.K.C. So, but there did seem to be like a comfort gap there at times and maybe that's just as simple as watching the lead go. I wanna throw something at you because it was something I picked up on and you can tell me if I'm crazy, if I'm wrong, 'cause I've been wrong plenty of times. But, I didn't like Wombanyama's touches. I thought there were long stretches where the guards got away from him and the reason I feel comfortable saying that to you is that after you would have a time out, some sort of break, whether you call the time out or just a break in the action and then the spurs had the ball. It seemed like there was a concerted effort from Mitch and the staff to get to the ball handler and say, hey, look, we're gonna get Wombie deeper the catch we're going to get.
get something better, but like the ball has to get back to Wombon Yama on this one. And I noticed it enough to go, okay, well, then the staff is seeing what I'm seeing and whether it's younger perimeter players having Wombon Yama too far away and then ignoring that he could still be an option, maybe Wombon Yama get lined up too far away, one-on-one with the ball into a crowd of all sorts of things. Did you feel like during that series that, and it's not being critical in the story of the guards, but there were too many stretches where Wombon Yama perhaps wasn't optimized, whether it was touch or where the touch was happening. Yeah, I think there was definitely some of that. And the other thing too is the guy doing the defense in New York, Brendan O'Connor, he's been in the NBA a long time. He's a good coach. He knows what he's doing. So, some of it was what New York is trying to do to make it tough for him to get those touches as well. And I think that's why you saw Mitch doing a good job of like, all right, here's how we can get him the ball with more space, more often, but, and then part of it is like as a player, showing those guys and trying to help them find where can you get him the ball or when someone was missed, not just him, but just in general what the right play to make was. But yeah, I think there's some accuracy there for sure. Last one, and I promise we'll get back to it, because you're like, okay, that didn't realize this is a spurs interview. I want to end in a positive here, Dylan Harper from day one to Dylan Harper in the finals. What was that like being in a front row seat? Well, one, you can see how immensely talented he was when he got there or when like June into September, like even his first summer league game, like this dude wants it, you know what I mean? He's got a chance to be, you know, like a big time player. As the year went on, he did a really good job of grasping what he needed to do to be on the floor every night on a good team. And like he's got a level of pedigree to him that he's like a winning player. You know, like sometimes dudes are like, I want to be Ricky of the year. I wish I was on a team that stinks. Well, his alternative was like, everybody is talking about you in June is like, this dude's the man, you know, so like when the two guys and Charlotte and Dallas are doing whatever they're doing watching games, you're balling out on the biggest stage like, you know, there's a sacrifice that he made, but like there's a reward individually with how well he played the opportunity he got. And that wasn't like a big thing for him. He just like, I'm good with it, you know, which is really impressive for a 19 year old or 20 year old, whatever he is. Yeah. Look, I can't even put a ceiling on who he is because Andy, Andy 6, 6, 220, he's huge, he's a big kid, like he's big and strong already. Yeah. And there's this comfort to all of it too. And that's I think, like on top of everything you just said, to be that comfortable where I'm like, hey, get it back to the rookie in the NBA finals when I'm watching you in some possessions. And I go, when have you ever said that? Like, I was, I think four when magic did it in the finals. So it wasn't like I was yelling at the TV at four years old. It's just not supposed to happen. You know, and the other thing too, like you talked about in the playoffs, like a lot of times when young guys struggle, they ease up or they kind of slow up. They're not as aggressive. And like, I think that was one of the things that those guys did a great job of is like, like my man, PJ Tucker would say like, you got to be more fearless. You got to be more aggressive. Like you can't go, you got to go harder. You got like, you can't ease up. You got to get your stuff right. You got to make sure you're prepared. You got to execute upon what you're asked to do. But he embodied like, you don't slow up now and that was the time to get going. And I think that's part of the reason why you see that success for a young guy like, there was no easing off the gas because I'm not sure what to do. Two quick things we finished here. If there's one thing, like one thing that you feel like you need to hammer this group in Orlando and just like at our core, we have to be this. What is it? Team. Team. We've got to be big time in all the team aspects. There's a lot of invisible plays that have to be made. And I think just in general for our group, you know, like the measure of greatness and a team sport is what you do to elevate your teammates. This is a team game. And it doesn't mean that you can't have big time individual success, but team is where this starts. Head coach now worked the officials a little bit here. Have you thought about, and sometimes an assistant is like, I can get away with anything here sort of. And then maybe they'll tell us to go back. Have you thought about your demeanor, how much you're going to work the officials because it's going to be, it's you now on the sideline. Yeah. And I remember you're asking Will Hardy about this. It was like to take you a few games to realize that you could get more mad at the officials. He was like, yeah, it was kind of funny. I was like, oh, maybe I'll start getting on these guys a little bit. Ah. If you thought about like, I want to be like this, although you probably can't decide to be any other way than you actually are. Yeah, I mean, I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, but I remember during one of the COVID seasons when I had to fill in for Jay Kidd and Marquis Chris was like going after an official when we had Marquis Chris on our team. And I looked at him and I said, Marquis, this guy doesn't respect me at all. How the hell do you think he's going to respect you? Play the game. And I forget who it was. The ref looks at me. He's like, you're right. I don't. So, all right, I'm going to just worry about my team and then we'll talk to you guys as we see necessary for what an unnecessary added piece of commentary from that official. But I almost feel like I can guess who that would be. But I love that we got to I love that we got a Marquis Chris shout in there because I loved him in the crowd. And then at a great kid, he got injured for us that he was doing a good job. But yeah, we was here. We went to the Western finals and lost to a Golden State, but yeah, I was like, yeah, let's just play here like we can just go get a rebound. And then we got a Spencer Hoshana who has a high approval rating down here in the South Bay. Sean Congrats, man. 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He is the voice of the UFC. He is a friend of mine. It's John Annick. Good to see you again. I was actually describing you earlier today as one of my best friends, certainly my best friend in the industry, if I ever need advice for something contractual or otherwise, I'm coming to you. But yeah, it's great to see you. And such is life, right? UFC Freedom 250 sick is the thing I've ever seen in my life. And then maybe this weekend, one of the sadder things I've seen in pro sports. So up and down, Evan flow, here we are. It was a great card. And then the main event happened. So let's just dig into it right there. Connor goes with the flying lead kick, which we actually saw him practicing backstage. It was clearly. He was like, I'm going to come out and try to do something here. Holloway's all over it. And then as soon as he lands, the knee, everybody's kind of like, why is he falling down? Like what's going on here? So take us through your vantage point of everything that was happening. Well, there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not there was a pre-existing injury for Conor McGregor. That does not appear to be the case. I think he just put a lot of pressure on that knee with what Joe Rogan would probably describe as a wayward decision to throw a switch roundhouse kick right out of the shoe. But Conor thought he could execute it and he couldn't and obviously he paid the ultimate price. Now, what type of decisions has he made over the last five years that maybe didn't put his body in an optimal position to compete at mixed martial arts after a layoff like this? I don't know, right? But fair. I think that's fair. Five years off. I don't know that he's been the picture of fitness every piece of footage that we've seen. But go ahead. The titanium rod in one leg and I was wondering aloud. Did he put in 16 weeks of hell to have a crazy cardiovascular base for a 25 minute fighter? We see maybe looking at this as an eight or 10 minute affair to go in there, try to get the job done as he often does quickly and get out of there. You know, one thing I said on the broadcast, Max Holloway has more title fight time than any fighter in UFC history, almost nine hours in championship fights in that fucking octagon for Max Holloway. Nine hours. Nine hours. Just title fights. Just title fights. You're the best. That's such an incredible stat. Well, is that not an advantage? Right? I mean, you know, anyone who's like, oh, man, I bet on Connor. I don't know what to tell you intellectually, right? I mean, I don't know how I mean, look, I think all of us, I've been lucky enough to be in that building for a Connor fight. when you're in Vegas and it's just
line with Irish lads already arrested and cussed in the hallways. You know that that fight that I went to 10 years ago. I'm like it is still one of the greatest events that I've ever experienced, but it was it was Pete Conner. So I think anybody that loves this sport, you're always enamored with the idea of him, right? Even though it just this is not what happens. You don't get to take five years off. Right. And I don't know that he was in fight mode the entire time when you're older fighting sucks. And so I'm like everybody else going like, is there any chances or any chance, but I don't know that any sane person is thinking like he has set himself up for a really competitive and look, the credit to him is that he's like, all right, I'll take on Max. Like I'll go at Max you're like, this is brutal. And so even with all of that, I didn't really necessarily like his chances. And you know, look, I said, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here and say like Max is like, hey, we need to run it back, which I thought was respectful. That was the least approved statement I've ever heard. Yeah. Yeah. No one in the building was like, yeah, dude, let's do it. Let's run it back. This silence. Well, I think it's hard, right? It's hard for us as commentators to come up with the proper words. And I think for Max, you know, he comes over to the booth and sort of gives me one of these hands in the air. And I don't really know how to respond to Max even physically in that moment, you know, there's so much to unpack here. Conor McGregor could have asked Dana White and Hunter Campbell for Michael Chandler, a fight that a lot of us felt as though the ship had sailed on, but it would have been a more winnable fight. At least on paper, Conor McGregor might have been the two to one favorite against Michael Chandler. But if he still tried this move, he could have gone injured. And this would have been even more disastrous. But I agree with you right to fight Max Holloway, who's been in it the entire time. Max has been at the top championship training camp one after the other, the entire time that Conor's been doing whatever he has been doing. Now the optimist in me would actually submit to you that if this is a maniscus, and even if it is an ACL, that Conor could come back for one. And certainly if Nate Diaz was the opposition, that's a competitive fight that maybe Conor would be favored in. But what exactly is the goal here? And what are Conor McGregor's goals? I think he was back for the right reasons. I think he's found so variety. I think he's clean. But I just, I don't know exactly what we're trying to do here. And if this is a torn ACL, you know, maybe this is the final nail in the coffin. And what a disappointing conclusion it would be. So you are 100% on board with like that this was not a preexisting condition. Well, I mean, I'd like to give the athlete and the head coach the benefit of the doubt. I can lean into his warm up in the back that look pretty good. I can certainly look at the visual that we showed not for speculative purposes on the broadcast and see him in the inspection zone. And it's not a great visual. You know, when I saw him at the ceremonial way and putting his sneakers on. And you can tell Conor's been out of the game because we don't even take our fucking pants off anymore when we weigh in. That's ceremonial. You've already weighed in in the morning, right? Most of the athletes don't even derob like that. But he's so out of practice, he takes his pants off, then goes to put his sneakers back on. And I'm thinking he's putting his sneakers back on for the stare down. But you know, maybe he's doing that because of an injury. I don't think it was preexisting. I just think, Hey, man, like I went for a run in Vegas when I was out there. And I was really sore. So the next day I stretched and I hurt my shoulder stretching. Now, I'm 10 years older than him. But you know, when you get older, it doesn't get easier. And in this sport, it's absolutely ruthless. Yeah. Look, that part of it makes sense. I think everybody wants everything to have like another layer of conspiracy, no matter what, which is also why there's so many times or something sketchy may be happening. And I'm just so desensitized to the audience going, it can't just be disappointing, right? It can't just be disappointing. The angle, the torque that he's putting on that knee with that move. I think you've made a great point there that maybe he was just like, this isn't going 25 minutes. So like, I'm coming out like a madman and Connor, like it's always up for the fight too, which you know, you have to throughout his career be like, this guy is ready for it. He isn't just one of Dana's all-time favorites because of the money side of it. He's one of Dana's favorites because we've had Dana on in the past. Dana's like, Hey, that guy is ready to go. Like, of all the managing that goes into all of these egos and guys going like, I want to be a badass, but I'd kind of like to have my own path to badassism. Yeah. You know, like Connor has never really been one of those guys that is looking to avoid anything. And so, you look, you've been around the sport for such a long time far closer than I ever have. But if there's one constant, is that old fighters don't really stop. So we can sit here and say that there's no market for him because of this. I just don't think that'll be true. Yeah. He's not going to say the right. He's all right. So go ahead. He'll fight on Netflix at some point in time. Right. He has one fight left on his UFC contract. He'll be in big fights. And maybe there would be a boxing match down the line with Floyd Mayweather. I'm certainly not expected nor hopeful that we're going to see any of that noise. I still want to see if he can compete in mixed martial arts at a somewhat high level. I do believe that if you look at the top 25 in the Welterweight division, for example, maybe you could find a fight there for him, you know. But yeah, I believe that he has it within him. His competitive spirit is such that he's going to be back the only visual that really gave me pause in terms of conspiracy theorists out there, or speculation. And I'm sure you would agree with this. When he hit the tunnel and went through his usual walk out in the motions, he didn't have that usual look in his eye. He wasn't smiling, looking like he's on the fringe of just lunaticism. And even when he did the billionaire strut in the octagon, he didn't have that usual look in his eye. Now that could be because it's been a long time. That could be because he wasn't necessarily budding with confidence in the matchup or it could be because, you know, he got injured either in the back or during training camp. Who knows? But for people to lean all the way into the fact that he went to a fucking healing center in California and say, oh, he must have been injured, right? You know, there were a lot of people felt like that Max Holloway was an all-time great investment whether Conor was injured or not. So if you were a writer, you could talk about Conor passing the public baton to patty the baddie, you know, in this moment. And maybe there's too many similarities, you know, size, there's some personality similarities there that you get into it. And patty after the gachy fight, like it was a loss, but I think collectively everybody felt better about patty after that fight. And for him to go in and kind of recapture his momentum side by side with Conor. Like that, that felt like maybe, like again, if I were to write, I don't even know if it's real or not, but I would be writing to that idea that this Conor thing is now totally over, but it isn't. From a fighting standpoint, but the, the hopefulness that you have about a Conor moment to then patty, kind of recapturing the imagination of everyone in there that seemed to be so behind him and how dominant he was with that early show. I love the way you tied that together. Patty Pimblitz, the man he could have come to the UFC when he was 21. He could have come when he was 23 years of age, but he, and this is a direct quote, wanted to be a proper athlete when he got here. And I think because of his persona and his ability to orate and captivate the masses by just being himself and being, you know, comedically great, you know, people lose sight of the martial artist and just how good a grappler he is, right? There's so many guys who don't know their way around a submission and he has tons of them and just submitted maybe the most hardened guy in the division and choked him unconscious. So I love the total package. He, I think was a superstar before Saturday night, but this is going to take it just to an entirely different level. And for him, I think it's really just about the championship. And if he can get the championship in a room or otherwise, right, then you're talking about a kid who can defend his title in Liverpool. And then you really are talking about global superstar. So it was a huge night for patty. He's a great human being. And yeah, he's gone about a lot of things the right way, but it's been a huge year for him learning lesson against Gachi and to do what he did with that showcase with that many eyeballs on him. He's the man, dude, he's got a lot of support from not just, you know, the fans, but me and a lot of people on the staff as well. Is it weird when they want to come over and celebrate with you because there's no other sport like that, really? Yeah, so it's interesting because I'm a promoter and not a journalist, right? And my biggest initiative is try to promote these athletes, humanize them, make people at home, care. And it's always interesting when people say, and I always quote Rick Patino, you know, Larry Burzani, I walking through that door, Kevin McHale's not walking through that door, right? They say, "Oh, you know, you got no Conner Israel out of Sonny's on the way out, John Jones." And then Lex Poetan Pade to walk through the door and becomes the biggest superstar in UFC history. Or Ilya Topurri becomes a massive star, right? There's always another star. But yeah, it's unique, right? Like maybe the greatest moment of my career was when Amanda Nunez retired and came and kissed me on the forehead, right? That's maybe the best thing that's ever happened to me because she's the consensus greatest of all time. And it was just, I think, an appreciation for us promoting her and doing right by her. But yeah, it is unique. You know, there's no rooting interest. You know, I've had to call, I think, five or six of Daniel Kormie Ace fights before he retired. So, you know, long past sort of having to check the friendship at the door, but certainly I have a far closer personal relationship with Patty Pimplet, then Benoit Santanae. So yeah, we're going to stick out. We want to high five, you know, Rogan says we're professional fans. I think that's really what we are. I was not critical of it. I actually just think it's, I think it's cool. I think it's a smaller family. Yeah, it is. It is. Part of this road show. And honestly, like, you guys are so good on the call that, yeah, I don't even know that it was even brought up as a thing. I just thought it was a
an incredible camera angle because in the middle of you calling out the moment, the emotion of that moment, patty standing over you and goes left to right, DC, Rogan, and then you're like mid-sentence, giving it up on the broadcast while also trying to maintain the athleticism of a high five at that angle, which is not easy. Right. I'm just trying to get my high five. I mean, don't want to be left out, you know, if you're missing out on the high five. What's next? What is next? I'm actually going to Serbia. I'm supposed to go to Max Holloway's inaugural golf tournament in Hawaii on Sunday, July 19th, Monday, July 20th, right? And how about this? And then Serbia later in the month, Max doesn't have a scratch on it. He doesn't. He didn't fight. And now the shower, I'm right. So how do we find out? Yeah. You find out if you even shower. I will. Yeah. Well, he probably has to get a little bit of a lather going. Yeah. In the back. Yeah. But imagine, right? And to which he's a golfer. I know you got to go. But imagine, right? You have your inaugural golf tournament coming up and you don't even have to compete, right? I mean, I don't know how much money he made, but good on you, Max, because he earned it. Where could we check out the pod? It's on YouTube. We're about to go two hours live and a lot to talk about. But yeah, buddy, it's great to catch up with you always. I hope to see you at a live event. I think we're going back to Los Angeles later this year. All right, L.A. can you stay in my place and then keep the preridium top. And we'll just tell Dana White that it's Ryan Rosillo using my tickets and he'll put them on the floor, right? Yeah. No, I definitely. I want that. I want to be graphic to his Alex Caruso. Pro. I mean, I said, of course, Stevenson for the fucking record, you know? I mean, I know a five foot six inch man when I see one. But dude, like these celebs shots are how I get in trouble. You know, like pop cultureally, I'm not locked in. So I need pronunciations on actors and then, you know, they fought the boxer that we've just signed as an NBA player. So I'm trying to call fights and do promos. The celebs are the bait of my existence. Great card, though. I mean, I know they've made events. Yeah, it was a great card. And you guys are greatest always. Thanks for the time man. So. Still blue coffee ready to drink can lattes are officially available nationwide at Target. That's right. Whether you're making a target run for toothpaste, paper towels or somehow, spending $200 on things you didn't know you needed. Stop by the coffee section and see why everyone is turning to sell blue. The cans are made with 100% Colombian coffee, real dairy, real sugar and contain 190 milligrams of caffeine. They've got dessert level flavor with coffee level function. You can choose from espresso sweet cream or espresso cafe mocha. And once you try them, you'll understand why they're the best can lattes out there. Here's the best part, 100% of proceeds will go toward our wee brew to rescue mission in which we're funding the adoption of 1000 pets across the country. Grab a still blue target, taste the difference and make a difference. Still blue coffee. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 cabriolay. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. The best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Like advice. The email address is life advice
[email protected]. I feel like we have a lot to get to here, a lot of housekeeping before some excursions. We've got fucking Dennis Conner over here, America's Cup. For those watching on Netflix, I'd say stars and stripes, but I forget to wear the stars. You get some double stripes going on. All right. Yeah. All right. But you know, hey, you guys, you guys are style. Okay. So I've got a travel log that'll be coming up with an excursion here upon a soon house sitters are excited that I'll be gone security. What else do we need to do here? We have a Kyle travel log from his day Dan Berry and I am telling you right now, it delivers in ways I never even thought I didn't doubt Kyle, but it is I wanted to be long credible. Like I really do. I did not. I've got to leave them wanting more. Isn't that the thing that the travel log business you have to leave them wanting more? I don't know that I've ever thought of that. Mine are pretty long. What do we do with this thing? Do we have it like a standalone travel log with Kyle when the show, because we're still going to have shows every week, but we will be releasing, you know, pre-taped shows. So do we do this as a standalone surprise one day or we just throw it in Thursday's pot? It's 15 minutes. I don't know. That's like I love that. I kind of think it's great though. Yeah. I vote on its own. We just drop it. Special surprise in the next couple weeks and when people see it's going to be. I love that. I love that. There's no rule. There's no rule. It has to be an hour of pontificating about salary bullshit. Let's just have an episode that magically appears. So that way, you know, sub numbers are good. So I don't know that this is some sort of gimmick. Yeah. Just have a standalone call. He has to read the intro. He has to do the teases. I'm going to do the trafficking stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you do. Okay. Oh, man. Pretty cool with that. I did that one ad read and everyone lost their minds because I had like the weird non-confident low voice. I forget what that was. It was like a couple of years ago. If you were like, what the hell was that? I think you were gone and I had to read it. There was some sort of thing. It was bad. So I'm looking to redeem myself there. That'll work. Awesome. Awesome. I love that. I love that. Okay. So we've got that covered. And then today with Sean Sweeney, who this has never happened before, as we finish up and he's still on the zoom, he says, Hey, is Kyle here. Yeah. Yeah. That's so there. Yeah. That's like what? So we get into a fight. Ten years ago. Somewhere in Prokipsy. What's going on? Nope. So you guys had met as a cigar bar before. Yeah. After he left, I was just talking to Suryu, you ran out of the room for some reason. But I think you could still hear us with your AirPods and stuff if you're in range. But I was just, I heard him. I was okay. I was just telling him, like those first two summer leagues, like I was basically just acting like I was in Vegas and Tate was kind of leading me around and Tate, like, you know, basketball guy. He's a relationship guy. And, you know, I'd heard Sean Sweeney's name for a lot, you know, a lot of my career, I guess, because Tate's known him forever and everyone's a while Tate will just like pull up to someone. You know what? I was just moving around in there. You run into guys. Yeah. And he was, I think, one of the guys that I was with, but again, I was just sort of super unprofessional in Vegas the first year or two. So that one made a slip through the cracks. But once he told me about it, I remember it immediately. You need to take your fish fairly though. I don't know, man. I don't know. Being in those, you know, the biggest thing I remember about that first one was just getting removed from the arena because I had beers in the media section with my sunglasses on. It was like looking back. So Tate was like, dude, Mitch Cobb check saw all that at socks. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, you know, I really started to tighten up after that one. But yeah, those first, that first one specifically was just, I don't remember a ton. Well, it sounds like you've got a place to stay when you're in the greater Orlando area. Yeah. Yeah. I think he likes you a lot. What is that? Was that the orphan commercial? Take me fishing? Can we get IT on that? You don't want me to look up orphan commercial? I don't know. Yeah. All right. Is this an age gap thing or is this like half of it? Oh, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how old that ad is. What year to come out? Sort of. I type an orphan commercial. A Google orphan commercial fishing. Maybe we go foster care. I feel like orphan is a harsher term. Foster care feels a little softer. Yeah. But YouTube feel good stuff. I don't think that's what it is. There was some orphanage farm. Yeah. It's not it. Yeah. There's like third world country videos where the guy builds like a hot tub out of clay. That's what I'm getting right now, basically. I'm talking about. I do. And then it's like an Arkansas. Yeah. Something. So. All right. I need to reel it a little bit there. I'm going to find that. I'm going to find that quote. But yeah, that was a good one. That was a big win for me. And then I think Max Homa had a surprising like, you know, no knew who I was sort of the else self. Those were two big ones. Yeah. Yeah. Feeling good today. My LL being stuff. Yeah. So here and stuff. So that's going to be the only problem is we can't really have to be with questions about the Dan Berry experience until this thing airs, right? So we'll get back on. Well, just say LL being was awesome. And which we had, which we had more of those. When you said champ sports, I just, I, you're like definitely going to hit up champs. I was like, yeah, let's go. Well, it's just one of those that's not, it's not in the area. There's like other stuff. But see what a Connecticut Lids holds, you know, it's just going to be different. Yeah. There's what was Connecticut Lids like there's a few more Patriots options. I'll tell you that. That's good to know. All right. A couple feedback emails here. This was an interesting one that may have made me change my mind about our cat guy that was like, hey, these cats sort of suck. Can I get rid of them? Yeah. I think collectively we were like, that's sort of on you to do that. We had a guy with somebody else said that, but at this opinion, you're a human. They are animals. How about enjoy your limited time on earth? I don't know. Meaning what? Like get them out of there right now. Yeah. That's what it, just throw them outside. Yeah. You're a human. I mean, you should have more money than you have right now. Go take some.
I mean, where does that, I don't know. Yeah, that sucks. I mean, I don't know what else needs to be said. You have to go to the bathroom right now. Don't look for a bathroom. You're a human. You're your time. Just go to the back. Go behind the door. Yeah. I don't know that that's what he's saying. I know, it's not, but I mean, where does it at? I don't know, man. There's some level as you get older of like personal responsibility where it's like, hey dude, like you made this decision. Like these animals didn't ask you to adopt them. And like now you put them in a bad spot. I can't talk maybe, maybe fall through on something. I don't know, just the thought. I think both good points, both good points, but it's not going to go over well. That email's not going to go over well. I just thought it was efficient to the point. That guy's, is that guy terrible roommate? Is he a great roommate? Selfless lover? You always know what you're getting. This is something I need to clean up because it came, I keep pointing out Westbrook as my, if Westbrook grew up playing soccer, he would be good at soccer, because I think he's the best athlete I've ever seen play basketball. And we've gotten this email a couple of times here. I think I'm open to having my mind change for the specific reason. Westbrook would be an awful soccer player. Love the pod, generally agree with your soccer taste, but saying Westbrook growing up playing soccer and he'd be greatest dumb. Westbrook is a 17 year vet. Still makes the same obvious. Some stake 17 years in. He's not a winning player. He couldn't figure out basketball. How could he figure out soccer? Fair point, because obviously there's elements of Westbrook's game that I'm not a huge fan of despite being enamored with his athleticism, which I'll even get pushed back on that. But I think he's the best athlete that's ever played in the NBA. But if you want to hammer me on like, hey, he makes these simple mistakes and mental lapses. I guess I wasn't really looking at it that way. I was looking at his size, his conditioning, his athleticism. If that guy grows up playing soccer, if you want to make it more specific now that I have to pick a smaller, quick athlete with great conditioning that doesn't ever make any mistakes, I have to pick a receiver that like, doesn't do anything wrong. Like, you got me. But maybe I'll stop saying Westbrook. I just have a hard time believing that Westbrook the athlete would be a bad thing growing up in you soccer. - The one that you always said, or the one where you say that I thought you should have said is like Odell back in junior, right? 'Cause he's like, well, he's six feet, is he five, 11? Great athlete. He actually has like a bit of a soccer background. Now, like I think a lot of those guys are like, oh, like he plays football, but he's also good at soccer. It's like, hey man, you can like kick a ball. Maybe you could juggle a little bit, a little bit, but like, you're not actually good at soccer. - Shadow to think about that guy. - Christian Gonzalez. - Is he a soccer guy? I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know if he say what if he was. - He's big, that was he like, he's like somebody got a new Pats lid. (laughing) - Yeah. - He got a little patch on the side. - Yeah. - Number zero. Yeah, I always went back to suit like slot receivers, you know, would Westbrook or be a good fullback probably. You know? - Well, what about, I mean, Julian Edelman goes from quarterback to probably Hall of Fame career. I don't know if he gets in or not, but usually you win enough, Fianna fell. I think they're Hall of Fame. The pro football Hall of Fame. Rewards winning with its players, which I think is terrific. But if Edelman can go from college quarterback to that level of wide receiver, like you don't think Jules wouldn't figure out soccer. If he starts, I mean, maybe it doesn't. I mean, to sit there and say like, oh, he is guaranteed to be on the US national team, is a bit of a stretch to even make that statement. But, you know, we don't need to get bogged down and all this again. I may adjust my Westbrook example though, because it's a fair point. - That's by that logic, wouldn't you say that like any professional athlete who just decided he wanted to play a different sport at a certain age would just be a pro? That's what you're saying? - Hmm. - Tyler Murray. - What is he kidding? - Not necessarily. - No, 'cause I mean, even I was listening to a lot 'cause I drive around Montana so much last week. Can I just do an aside on Montana real quick? I went to a rodeo. Kale Smith, all-time ride, all-time ride. He just, his mouth is going full steam right into the aluminum railings of the crowd, full steam ahead. And Kale didn't fucking flinch state on that thing. Got it to back up off of the railing, like inches away from just smashing into the railing on a horse as fast as he possibly could. And Kale controlled it. He controlled his emotions. He got his eight seconds. I think he won. Team roping is way harder. Back guys got just a brutal, brutal. Then they brought out the little buck of ruse. The first time I saw that, I'm like, what the hell? Did something get loose? I'm like, there's a kid on there with a hockey mask. Just they never, they never stay on. He's got a great name. I love all their names, dude. All the names are incredible. It's like they're born to ride. It's like, this is what, this is your path, dude. You're a root and toot and roping. That's so big. I love it so much out there. I mean, it was like fake, fake world to be there for a week and then still be able to work. And then I had like two other things. So it was, it was an awesome, I bought a new hat. Two Kyle hat buddies. But I would say if I were, if I were younger, and maybe the social scene isn't going that well for me, I think there's a real side door into socializing and maybe even women start a new out there. Because I used to despise snowboarder, smoke weed every night guy with no personality back in college because I'd go, he's not really, there's not a lot there, guys. Yeah. And then girls would like him, like he doesn't even have to do anything. He's just, he always has weed and he just came from the mountain and then everybody just says he's chill. He's like, maybe on, yeah, like he's got, but I've never heard him say anything interesting. He's not funny. I don't even know if he's fast, like straight line. You guys are usually kind of hot there. They're decent. That's snowboarder guys. I'm not saying he's ugly, but I wouldn't say he's hot. All right. Don't get me started on lateral quickness. I think if I were like in my 20s or something, I would grow out some sort of Riley Green thing, maybe hit the curls and it's sure, you know, it helps if you're tall, obviously, but maybe it wouldn't be in the situation in the first place. But I think you could just mill around these communities for a little while. That's curl snaps. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I think there's a way to kind of, but then, you know, you don't want to be done. Cheatle and boogie nights where it's like, what's fuck is this? You know, this, this, you didn't ease us into this at all, man. Like, this is a lot. So I think you'd have to like, maybe I'm doing it right now, I don't even, maybe this is about me. I didn't even realize it. So you head back to summer there, right? You usually go twice. I usually go twice. Yeah. I want to go to the, I'm going to go to the other parts of Montana. Everybody says, don't go to, I want to, I want to be well-rounded. Yeah. That'll, that'll up your chops a little bit. Definitely. If you're feeling any sort of, you know, imposter syndrome, yeah, go to one of those places, come back with some stories. I haven't done Idaho at all though. So that's, I was just going to say Idaho, you ever see like that thing where people would, like they'll circle like the little, like, little sliver of Idaho that connects the cannon. And there's like, what's going on up here? Like, what do we, who's up here? How about like, what's going on? I don't know. I've driven through it. But that was not my favorite day. All right. When I drove through it. I don't know the chance. Potatoes. I didn't, I didn't want to give anything a chance there. I remember I was like, I was like, oh, yeah, nine years ago, that's where you had that super depressing burger before you got on your flight. Boseman. It was a good time. I was like, oh, the most depressed burger you've ever had was right in there. And the thing is I put my head up, I walked down the fucking street and high five and strangers. Like let's get some lines in the water. You know, that's what you get to do. All right. Adult swim rules. This one's long six to two hundred early 40s. More of a three sets of 12 than a max out type of guy. I've been told my looks comp is a poor man's John Ham. Jesus. That's like, still one of the hottest guys going. Yeah, that's awesome. He sent us a note here. We appreciate the note. But because it's long, we'll keep moving. And good to hear it. All the good news. All right. Back to the email. My wife and I live in a major East Coast city. Have a 10 month old rather than travel further to our pre-baby destinations. We joined one of the beach clubs and our outside of the city. I'm a partner to protect law firm. My wife is a financial analyst. So we're solidly upper middle class for our area. As such, the beach club isn't totally our scene because these places seem to be a bit of a time warp where Murray and Gertie have been going for over 40 years. Shout out to them. And they have theme parties each week where people do things like wear a large team of uncle Sam hats. Anyway, there's a pretty decent pool or a pretty decent beach. I've debated about joining a country club. I just don't know that I'm going to be great at those events. So I don't know. I've noticed that a lot of people like you don't have to, you don't have to, you don't have to get a sear sucker for our, it's like, maybe I should. Get a sear sucker. Anyway, pretty decent pool, pretty decent beach and the teenagers who work there make everything entirely convenient, fitting our new parents lifestyle. As acknowledged interlopers into this slightly odd and amusing subculture, we have been on our best behavior by, say, tipping generously, being friendly to anyone who wants to talk to us. Today, though, I apparently stepped out of line and retribution was swift. Over the years, adult swim has taken on many meanings in many contexts, but today I'd I'd like to talk about an actual OG.
adult swim from 10 30 a.m. to 11 a.m. and 2 30 p.m. to 3 p.m. adult swim takes place at our beach club. All the kids sadly leave the pool except for the few bold ones who force the life guards to kick them out and octogenarians who come out of the woodwork and then stand around, oh octogenarians, sorry, octogenarians come out of the woodwork and stand around cobitcing with each other for what seems like the best half hour of their day anyway, it's the highlight for sure. It's the highlight. So it sounds like they're going to have a good old adult swim rule face off thing. Alright, it's got more paragraphs. Anyway, right before the afternoon session of adult swim today, it was my turn to watch our 10 month old for a bit. I hit the pool. My dudes in a great mood were gently baby splashing off to the side all by ourselves. Adult swim starts. I don't think much of it because surely no one's going to take offense to a dad playing with obviously happy baby off to the side of the pool. That's where I was wrong about 5 minutes into adult swim. The friendly, overly brawn 16-year-old lifeguard comes up and he says, sir, I'm sorry, this isn't coming from me, but there have been complaints about you being in the pool with your son. Not being one to across teenagers on their summer jobs. I just say, okay, and start getting out of the pool. However, as I'm walking up the steps and my back is literally burned, a few of the regulars take the opportunity to heckle me in my infant son, weakly wheezing out a few admonishments like he is an adult. They call it adult swim. Now, I'm not a bad person, but I'm not an actual good to turn the other cheek type of person either. Still, I say nothing back and proceed to walk to my wife. As I'm explaining to her, what just transpired and idea don'ts. And me, the old timers decided to focus on the adult part of the swim, but I could very easily just focus on the swim part of the adult swim. My wife is essentially my morality barometer and when I tell her my plan, she mostly just smiles musically. So I've got a green light. Now, I didn't go full on Michael Phelps on the circle of cabitzing murries, but I made it clear to them through my actions when I got back to the pool that about 15% of the pool was now my swimming lane for the rest of the adult swim and they were now going to have to confine themselves to the other 85%. There were some grumbling and a bit of testing my will by a few of the murries, but they back down and after I swam by them at full speed a few times. So if you're a consideration, two sets of questions. First, adult swim shouldn't be black and white, vow shell, not participate until you're old enough to join the army type of thing. And on a nervous circumstances, do any non adults belong in the pool or are their potential case by case exceptions, like a dad watching his happy quiet infant off to the side to preserve mom sanity, assuming of the baby started misbehaving. I'm socially cognizant enough to leave the pool on my own. Second, response to infant heckling, which I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'll all come down against did my retribution of taking a 15% of the pool during the chair's adult swim, fit the crime. And I'll just say this part, I mean, a out to about your wrong. It's one of these people get two 30 minute windows where they feel like they've taken back something like whether it's stupid or not, like whatever, I'm resigned to that. And when people started talking about like, yeah, I know what the rule is, but my kid just wants to do this. I kind of become out. I don't have a kid. I understand the, you know, you want to give your kids everything you didn't have and even more. And you want them to be happy kids. But as soon as we start talking about skirting around the explicit rules because my kid just wants to do this, I think that's nothing against the kid. There shouldn't be any infant heckling going on. But you've lost me. And I think you've lost the plot once you're like, yeah, but my kid, like I understand, but you're wrong. That's all I say. Right. It's kind of like the, the Chipotle thing, right? Like one person, like he's our making excuses for things. And, you know, all right. Then like all next to, you know, like 10 babies are in the pool. And then it's like, Hey, just there's like a kid section of the pool. And if I'm a, yeah, like if I'm an older adult and I get to enjoy this guy, I was like one hour of the day to myself of kids not cannonball. I'm like, yeah, I remember. So like, we had a, we were, we, I think was high school, middle school high school. We belonged to a, to a pool club in town growing up. Shout out to mountain grove. And that as a kid, like that was end of the world. It was like, those 30 minute windows were like brutal. Such a good dog. You'll be fine. And you're just like, how could this possibly be a thing? And then like you're an adult. You're like, Oh, yeah. Cause like, you know, if I belong to this thing, like I just want a little bit of peace and quiet, just like not have like, you know, pool noodles being thrown at me. Or what God knows what from these kids. So I, yeah, it sucks. But like it kind of has to exist. The rule is fair. And yeah, I'm not into like heckling kids. But you are wrong here. This is, this is like, you couldn't just, this is also a pool and a beach club. You couldn't like, go to the beach part of it. Like there's got to be something else. Some other place, body of water situation. There's not a kiddie pool that you could have taken your baby to. Like you have to be in the main pool for this. Like I just, maybe there isn't. And I'm just, I'm, you know, that was your only option. But yeah, like, this is an L. It's, I mean, these people move states to communities where they don't even let middle age people in. And so if they want 30, they want the 30 minutes a lot to them without children, whatever. It's, it is what it is. I mean, I almost get, like I almost treat it like kids again. It's like, just let them have the thing. It's fine. You know? So, yeah, I think you're wrong. You would say things like to preserve my wife's sanity. I'm just going to stay in during adult swim. It's like, you're, you're schluffing your problems off onto other people's when there's rules about it. And I'm listening. I want to be on your side. I hope you continue to listen. But I just, I think your perspective's a little off when it comes to old people, you got to use maybe kid gloves. Yeah. I think you guys are right. I mean, there's, there's two windows here. Um, I, we're, like, to be on the email to side, like them heckling you. But you've got to understand, like, you're new here. Somebody's tried to pull this move probably every week of every summer for like 60 years that these other people have been going there. All right. So they have no, no patients whatsoever for like new guy going. I'm sure this is fine. And yes, is your kid doing a thing? No. Does it mean they're anti baby? No. But it's pretty defined. 10 30 to 11 2 30 to 3. All those other minutes are yours. All those other minutes you can do whatever you want. And if you've ever been to like anything that's resembling a community pool to even a high end country club, where then kids are allowed in on the social membership, like through the family, like people that join a golf course, but they only do it for the social membership, just so their kids can go fucking wild and order a thousand wraps on their member number. I think that's not relaxing. It's, it isn't. So I think you have to look at them and go, all right. So fine. The kid is under a year. Then what? Two, you know, it's like, okay, it's okay for adults and then babies under one. Like you just can't even do. He must be looks to. Yeah. Yeah. You're argument is this kid is not disrupting anything that they're doing. It's not about you. It's not about your baby. It's a fight against the progression of what is the point of us having adult swim time. And now you're, you've also pissed them off even further with the 50% lap pool thing. I mean, maybe you're not looking to make friends. I totally understand that. But, you know, I, I imagine you're going to be getting some looks now, even beyond that. Yeah. The caddy shacks caddies welcome one to one 15. I mean, these people, you got to think like this is like a small part of your day. Like these people are already talking about tomorrow's adult swim today. Like this is important to them. And it's like really when they just have less, when you don't work, you have much less going on. And the little things become so much more important. And I think a little bit of grace is involved in this. I, I, I, I will say, I think there is a part of the old, the old crew. What are they? The octilians? What do you call them? I don't even know. Octogenarians. Octogenarians. Sure. I left out. I think there's a part of them that also love that you did this so they can like just discipline someone. They actually, like this, they want, they want to put you in your place, which I get that does just, that would piss me off too. But, hey, man, don't, I don't know, don't feed their, don't feed their ego. You're right. They were, they were hungry for a spare time to lay down the law. Yeah. Well, yeah, George, let them have it today. Yeah. Another, another new, doesn't get it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think we've covered that one. Um, do we do, uh, this guy sent it twice. It's really that important. All right. 61235 mid 50s bench 419. Oh, I'm glad we read it now. Wow. squat 575 deadlift 596. And no, there's not lifetime PRs from Bush administration. All within the last year mid 50s, bro. I was, I'm afraid I, but I didn't, I didn't, sorry, we didn't catch you the first time, man. Yeah. Apologies. All within the last year, no basketball comps peaked early is the MVP. My seven and eighth grade teams where I absolutely dominated the pain until everyone else inconveniently kept growing and developed actual basketball skills. One of our departments got an interim leader while the regular manager is out on medical leave. New guys probably early 40s. Good looking dude in shape dress well, very normal and friendly. We've talked to handful of times about work, life, et cetera. Totally good guy. But here's the issue. This dude smells incredible. Not in an overpowering Vegas nightclub way, either just subtle, expensive quote, this guy probably has his passport renewed before expiration kind of smell, but a great description. I'm not a clone guy at all. Last bottle I owned was bought for me by my ex-wife 15 years ago, and I'm pretty sure I ceremony only through it away sometime during the divorce process.
But I'm engaged now and I started thinking maybe it wouldn't kill me to occasionally smell like something other than Irish spring and Costco hoodie. So my question is, how does one grown man, how does one grown straight man ask another grown straight man about what Cologne is wearing without making the interaction weird? Because in my head, hey man, not to get in your personal business here, but whatever many words. Too many words. Too many words. Too many words. Look, he says that feels insane. Is this actual normal guy behavior, am I overthinking it or is there a better way to phrase this? Appreciate it. 315 on incline. No experience with fragrance. Some guys are like evangelists for their sense. Sounds like this guy cool, probably wouldn't be as, you know, excited to tell you, but I had a guy on 4th of July over, he's like, it's like, you like this? I was like, I got my own set. I'm a, I'm a DG light blue guy, and he goes, he's like, he's like, this is clone. It's called clone. And you just, you can get everything you want. Just tell him what you like. And he's like, trying to push it out of me. I'm like, thanks man. I'm not going to go to the website. I appreciate it. But it's like, you can't both get Fedoras. It's just like, just say, they'll make it for you. And it's not that toilet shit. It's that perfume. I'm like, that sounds good. But like he's always, you know, he like pulled two out of his backpack. He's like, I got this one too. And like that, that's a guy that exists, not as many of those dudes, but you know, there's this a scale where some of them are actually excited that you like what they smell like. They're happy to do it. And I think there are probably a few less dudes on the other side. They're like, that's weird that you could probably just say, what does that do? What does that call out? That's it. Simple as that. Be cool. I'm not a cologne guy. I don't, I couldn't even tell you the last time I like actually put cologne on. But I don't think this is weird. I just, just ask him, I don't, why is that odd? I don't, you know, it's a compliment. You're like, hey man, like if you're, don't be like, don't be weird about it. But just be like, if you guys talk and you say you talk about things, he's a cool guy clearly. You guys have some sort of relationship. You're like, hey man, I'm trying to get into the cologne game. Like what's your, what's yours? You smell good? Like what's going on? Like it doesn't have to be like awkward. I don't know. Like it's, I was wondering if I could smell your neck a little closer to confirm that I like the way you smell. Yeah. So start like stealing pieces of clothes and try to figure it out. I just ask. First of all, the emailer is funny. So this guy has like a good way about it. You have to do. Yeah. And if this guy's got some like exploratory by Rado hybrid thing where it's like, hey, actually, because I would argue that I think some of the more feminine stuff smells better on men. Just because of the pheromones and the way it works. That was my pivot late in the game where it's like, you don't have to smell like Vietnam. You can, you know, you can take the tobacco aspect out of it. Yeah. You can spray something on a sampler and be like, this smells a little flowery, a little bouquet-ish. And then it's like, yeah, but throw it on you with a strong male musk, you know, just put all that stuff in the beaker. I can come up great. And then the next thing you know, like a girl's going, what the fuck is that? And then you just go, it's actually women's perfume. So I don't know if you're ready for that. All right. If you're going Costco, if you're going Costco hoodie, I were spring. You're not ready for that. Okay. But what I'm telling you is if this guy is into it. And you look like, was this the guy that said he, I've already, the bench number's threw me up. Yeah. But now the last guy was the poor man's John Ham. By the way, if you look like John Ham, anything fucking close to that galaxy at the pool, maybe you should get away with having a baby in the pool. But I promise you, because again, I think you're funny in the way you send in that email. If you just go, hey, I have to ask, I use Irish spring. What the fuck do you have going on? Yeah. That. Where does that even start? Like what was your journey to get to smelling like this? And if you've already talked to him, she's probably going to appreciate it. It's like asking somebody who has a nice watch on, hey, is that what kind of watches that? Unless they're about to tell you to, yeah, like you don't want to start here. But you can, this is the level one. Like this is where you start. And he can kind of give you some advice to build up your confidence on that, you know? Or honestly, I can use that guy because like my, my colon experience, like I feel like, you know, back in the day, it was like, you know, you should just smell like to Ryan's the point. You'd like walk in a room and fix someone punch you in the face because you're wearing some sort of like a Abercrombie Hollister thing. And then I was like off of it for a while and I just never have gotten back onto it. So I don't know. I'm, I couldn't even tell you what's cool now. Well, I tell both of you, you know what, go into the, go in your own adventure or pop into Macy's. Make that ladies day at the fucking perfume counter. She is constantly trying to wave people down so she could say, I talked to three people today in this dying Macy's go in there and spend 15 minutes, you know? They're going to be so happy to help you. That Tom Ford rainbow, don't let it intimidate you, okay? That lady wants to sell you some. Yes. And she wants her manager to see that she is not sneaking Instagram time on her phone behind the watch case. She's also manning the, the jewelry and the, and the perfume, like do that, take, take your own adventure. And then if you're, you're still not satisfied, then you can go. And then if you need his stuff, you can say, you know what, I actually was trying the Tom Ford thing, I actually, you know, no, I didn't get a little thing to say. That's curious. I think I need to, I need to go Kyle, but I don't know, I'm not comfortable. I just got nervous. Go ahead. I want to go to next, to Kyle's next Danbury mall trip. I feel like I need to go because I think he, he does the mall, right? I don't know that I do the mall. Right. I don't know if I've ever done the mall, right? And I feel like I just need him to like show me what to do. Like, you know, like he's just, he's my guide to the stores, talking to people, the secret tricks, you know? I need it. Yeah, palisades, maybe, maybe meet up at the palisades. Sometimes I wish Kyle were single and then Sury would have to like go with him to stuff. I'd be like, what, how was the food court? He's like, well, met some girls, but yeah, we shared a sesame chicken samples and then we went our separate ways back to the Rollie Bowley days, free samples. Look out. All right. That'll do it for the show today. That'll be a fishing thing and there were no orphans involved because I was trying to make sure that's why we were doing that. I don't know. Yeah. You want to shout out our Friday feedback so we don't have to make an edit later. Well, that's right. That's right. And too, but they're out here as well. Yeah. We'll do a tease, but we'll close it out as well. Friday feedback,
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[email protected] to have a release while the show is not necessarily live for a couple of weeks here as I plan the next longer. This travel pot is going to be a monster. So no days off. That'll do it for the Rhymer Solo Show. Thanks to everybody on the show. And also, Barster Sports.
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