New LEAKED Document Mentions Surviving Aliens - Jeremy Corbell | DEBRIEFED ep. 88

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Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens. I trust that that is a memo was never supposed to be in public domain. So, this is not the only piece of paper that was. No. Okay. There's a whole other set of files attached to that. Allegedly. Is it stressful? Uh, what, my life? There's a pattern of people disappearing. Something bad happened to them? Oh, yeah. If you mean by being murdered, bad, yes. I would love. That smoking gun evidence, which does exist. I have seen it. So have other people that you know. And I'm not talking about one piece of footage. I'm talking about a lot of footage. But it is not mine to share. What does it feature? Does it feature a disc, a tic-tac, a tube? I'm talking about a lot of different footage, Chris. Tell me. Well, yeah, sure. There are. There's triangles, there's tic-tacs, there's ovals, there's spheres. And that you've seen? Yes. So, I think I have a little fear in me right now. So, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like trying to speak thoughtfully. And that's hard for me sometimes. But there are consequences. And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity. And I've seen that pain in people's eyes. And it's not a way to live, man. All right. So, in two. In 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots, and a current commercial pilot. And off to our right is a baseball field. And the field lights are on. From these three lights, we saw three. Cubes appear. And they were rotating. And then they just vanished after about 20 seconds, I would say. It was almost like they came out of the lights. And everybody in the boats that we were both tied to and the boats all around us, we all freaked out. Everybody saw this. It was incredible. And ever since then, I've been obsessed with the phenomenon. Ramsey. Corbella. Magician. Investigator. Artist. Artist. Smart guy. Same. Intuitive. Yeah, I mean, I could say a lot of the same things about you, sir. Strong. Yeah. Good at jujitsu. No, it was really bad. But, I mean, you do something 10,000 times more than someone, than someone else. Yeah. And you got a shot. It's the definition of a magician. Is what? Doing something. An unreasonable. Putting an unreasonable amount of time into something. Unreasonable to who? To the common person. Who's that? Whoever you're trying to fool. Or just the people not doing it. Yeah, exactly. Same. One and the same. Do you try to fool people? Yeah, of course. With magic. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, no. I think fooling them is a part. Is one of the ingredients in creating wonder. But you don't always necessarily have to fool people. In fact, the best magic tricks is when people fool themselves. And the same could be said for a psyop. You know? Is your aim to create wonder? With magic? Because you said. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Magic with a G? With a C. With a G and a C. With a G and a C? Yeah. How do you turn this down? You're so loud in my head, Ramsey. For a long time, you've been loud in my head. But I can turn you down. You're too. Let me know if this is. Hold on. I'm going to do this. I want to have control of turning you up or down. So this is me. And this is me. Yeah. Go again. Talk. One, two, one, two, one, two. One, two, one, two. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. You're loud, motherfucker. Right here. Right there is good? Ooh. That's like saucy. I mean, it's all good. Yeah. I like the headphones because they tend to. Lock you in. There's an immersion. And I didn't really get it before. And I was like, oh, it's more freeing without headphones. But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind. It's kind of like blinders for your ears. Where you're like, this is where I'm at. I'm not out there. Blinders for your ears. This is where I'm at. Yeah. Now I'm experiencing that. Yeah. Now you're aware of it. Well, now I'm here. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for coming to the quote-unquote skiff. Well. I know you've been in. In a real skiff. And tell me the difference between a skiff. I never. As someone who's never set foot in a skiff, what is it? Is it empty? Let's first be honest with everybody. Okay. You took me into a snow globe. Yeah. Okay. Just want to make sure we're honest with everybody. Yes. And then you did bring me into this skiff fact. Yeah. Okay, cool. Okay, yeah. So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff? Right. Because usually people don't have to be. They can skiff. And yeah, they don't bring their phones in. Yeah. That's a big one, I think. Oh, yeah. I wish I did. Yeah, they probably check your pockets though before coming in, huh? I mean, you go through. In some of them, there's an honor system. In some of them, there are metal detectors. And in some of them, there's more procedures done. But typically, if you're being brought into a skiff, they already know that you're not going to be breaking the rules. Hmm. They assume. No, they make sure to know. I mean, I can only speak from my own experience. Right. My own experience is, I was never in a skiff where all variables that were controllable were not controlled. Right, okay. On both ends. Right. And there's a lot of skiffs that I never went into. Is it stressful? What, my life? No. Oh. I think you just answered that question. No, it's not. No, getting into a skiff. Like, like that moment where you're like crossing the threshold, you know, you're in this sensitive, compartmentalized information facility. It's, you know, you hear about the things that go on in the skiff and the things that are talked about are obviously of the most sensitive nature. Do you feel that sort of reverence as you cross a threshold into one of these places? Do you feel anxiety or is there like a sense of relief or release that there's no, nothing recording anything you're saying? Is there? Well, that's not always true. That there's nothing recording what you're saying inside of a skiff. That's not always true. First of all, um, now you're asking me a personal question and my personal feelings, if I can be completely honest now, which I can be, is that my, my personal feeling is I've never walked into a skiff once invited that I didn't feel 100% comfortable. I wouldn't. In fact, I didn't. You've refused. Oh, yes, sir. George Knapp and I refused to go into a skiff. This was mentioned in Sleeping Dog. Foxy, I don't have a memory for it. Cause I just quickly, you're saying this way before anybody and I haven't processed anything. Well, I'll refresh your memory. Um, you, you were invited into a skiff and then you were advised by your lawyer not to go because your lawyer is like, if you go in there and you say this stuff, they might have a right to classify it. You just made an assumption. I did? Yeah. What was my assumption? my assumption nothing i could have said could have been classified okay i'll explain it but but the lawyer in the movie you said that the lawyer that was one of the things he warned you about was that they can just basically uh classify whatever is said in there and that that way you're never allowed to report on it okay i'm not trying to be mysterious i just you don't have to be very specific because now you're asking my brain to unravel something which i haven't really seen in a way in a big way so let's go there let's go into this one little tiny hair and let's split it okay um i was supposed to testify in front of the american public my caveat to that or condition was that the american public gets to see some of what i've seen and some of what george has seen a tiny fraction footage footage that is absolutely non-harming to american national security and five eyes national security the difference would be no satellite footage because satellite capability is a like a submarine is is is really classified it's whereabouts and and the capability of satellite if you look at what's out there in the natural world is is very limited like extremely limited so no satellite footage if it had ever passed in front of my eyes that's not something that is safe additionally let's say there's two ufos that swarm from the left of camera towards the right kind of make a half loop around a russian asset but that russian asset not just being satellite or whatever actually it was low visual so not not satellite but that asset they didn't know that we were and could see them so that's a no-go because yeah because now they're aware of you know whatever drone or whatever satellites looking at them so at so strategic surprise is one of the greatest um threats that we participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the ability to see and people don't think you can that would be considered national security okay what i was intending to do and i guess now i've said it a little bit in the movie because the movie remember is a compressed amount of time of course yeah so you get like the sentence that means the paragraph so what i was talking about is i was to and i went through a lengthy month many months process of this game of cat and mouse of like okay if i had seen anything that the american public should seem specifically 12 assets i figure were you know okay for people to see you know no one piece of footage is going to prove everything to everybody um or even anything to anybody yeah but you gotta take a shot right so and there's no reason why ufos should be the existence of ufos should not be classified nothing about that should be classified none that i can think of now when you get into the implications and the technology 100 like you know nuclear science exists but can't give you the codes on how to right so george knapp and i were doing this dance of like well so i personally will testify but what i have to say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure this out i couldn't how do you get into a locked room with no electronics and show what you think as a journalist because you don't got to ask permission as a journalist you don't but you can do a lot of harm not just to yourself to other people to our nation that kind of thing so let's just pretend how do you get into that locked room and how do you show in front of other people's eyes if you if it passes in front of your eyes but you don't have anything oh that's an interesting conundrum because because you can't have something yeah i guess i never thought about that that's a really interesting conundrum because you can't have something really interesting thing so but they gotta know that something is there wait so anybody who's been briefed on the ufo stuff has never been shown a video in a skiff no i didn't say that when i'm working on ufo cases or alien encounters the issue isn't just missing or blurry footage it's that anything i try to recreate ends up being inconsistent with different looks different lighting nothing nothing matches and most ai tools actually end up making it worse really every generation feels like a reset you're just prompting random things over and over and that's what i like about higgs field cinema studio is that it doesn't work like that at all you start with one intentional frame and that's where you sort of define the shot almost like a director would and then you take that frame and you extend it into motion by choosing the camera movements the lenses and even the actual camera type and so instead of generating clips over and over you're working from a fixed starting point and that's what keeps every thing consistent same scene the same lighting same characters same locations same perspective just different takes of the same shot and for what i'm doing it's actually super important to try and remain as accurate to the story as i possibly can and if you guys want to try it out i highly encourage you to check it out right now i'll let the link in the description and let me know what you think about higgs field and thank you to higgs field for sponsoring this video what i said is how i'm asking a question if you're me yeah and you're george uh-huh and you've said publicly to the world that that footage has passed in front of your eyes uh-huh but you don't have it like it's not at your home sure your home gets rated it's not on your phone so if your phone gets taken so you have i see you have access right because it's been in front of your eyes and you predict i understand i have access so how do you then because you know in order for me to testify my condition is that the american public has to see what i want to show them because my words don't mean shit i mean they do but like that's not the point of why i got nothing really to say yeah of course so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've got something so you have something right okay then let's say you're there first of all you're a journalist the obtaining is fine obtain and release i've never leaked anything in my life now sure people have leaked stuff to me and george and that's a crime that's a federal crime it's got major punishment and that's on whoever leaks yeah it's not on you no it's not my wife's kind of reinforced that to me you know that you can't people make make choices for better or worse hopefully for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go how do we get into that room and then how do you show it if you don't if you don't have it if you don't want to have it in there because then you have it all of that all of that all of that all of that can instantaneously be reverse classified even though it's once it's in the hands of journalists yeah it's already in the hands of journalists and they have a duty to to the public yeah yeah it's a tricky line but me and george doing no harm to national security is important to us now one more layer just to you tell me how you get out of this escape room okay so now i've got a conundrum i don't i don't need to testify the american public but if i did they would see 12 things minimum okay so i'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance but also filling up the fucking people they're going to testify going through this massive vetting process with each one i brought almost every single person you've seen in the uap hearing up there almost have i directly facilitated they're sitting there almost so with that said i've got this responsibility and i'm like cool let's let's see this through let's set this up so we get notified that there is a skiff and it's under my terms and conditions which is that these are the people allowed and must be in the room and you tell me who you want and i need to know their names now i need to know who they work for and and that's the thing about them is they they know that if they tell me a lie i will find out and that's been the bane of the existence of the doj and everybody every agency is that somehow through magic with like a fucking normal spelling okay this spelling okay that george and i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the way this is the one where they had another journalist that wasn't george before right right so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person and they say we have a leak straight up we have a leak i go i know and then i'm going to say this person said do you know who it is and i said i do i believe i do and then this person said to me i'm not even going to be in dc they're lying to you and i said didn't know So, I called my lawyer, my federal lawyer, who is Chuck McCullough III. And in that conversation, I don't think this is a good idea for you and George, Jeremy. Yeah. And he explained why. Seems like a, almost like a trap. Almost. Yeah. Exactly. Like a trap. Mm-hmm. That sounds like standard operating procedure as well. Like, I mean, for this type of thing where it's like, hey, yeah, come on in. No. You know? No, it's not. You don't think so? No, I know so. There's supposed to be a mutual trust. For example, I'll give you another example. When I say, I'm going to give you 10 witnesses to choose from. Yeah. To testify. Now, this is highly sensitive because you're not going to choose 10. So, I'm revealing to you out of 52 cards, you know, 10 cards, but you can only play with six. So, I'm like, there are four people that will be exposed. They don't need to be. So, I've got one rule. If you ever break it, I'm never doing this again. The rule is nobody, because they got a lot of staffers. Yeah. Nobody tells Arrow and nobody gets to know but the people in the room. And that's a trust thing. And that's the way it should and usually goes. Except every single one of them got exposed to Arrow and Arrow went after them in different unique ways that I have documented and can prove in the court of law. In what? In, like, what way have they gone after them? In sort of, like, public mocking? Is it, like, stalking? Or is it threatening? I'm talking about the unknown people that didn't testify. Yeah. These are the unknown people. Like, how did they suffer repercussions or reprisals from, you know, these staffers? I didn't say they suffered repercussions or reprisals. I said they went after them. So, that means a few different things. Okay. Play the tape backwards, because sometimes I misspeak. No, no. That's my bad for assuming, because, you know, you hear it all. I misspeak a lot with these, with witnesses, especially as of late, you know, Matt Brown. And I assume Dylan Borland as well, because of the, you know, the movie as well. You know, you hear him saying. Oh, but nobody's seen it yet. After this. Okay, gotcha. This will go up. People will have seen it. Temporal dilation. So, I'm going to skip. And Chris Ramsey has a clock right there. Yes. But there's a dilation. This is two months early. I am positive there's a dilation of time. Yeah. Well, there temporarily is. We're sitting in a bubble that won't be popped until May, after May 18th. I mean, it's like a month. No, so. Two months away. No, May 12th. Oh, May 12th. May 12th, the bubble bursts. Okay. Well, that's, we're sitting in that current bubble. But, safe to say, Dylan Borland in that documentary. Oh, fuck. is clearly shaken up by what seems to be people coming after him. He has a fear of people coming after him. He's coming after his wife. He even asks you, you know, on one of your calls, no matter what happens to me, take care of my wife. He seems really, really concerned. He was. For good reason. And so, what I'm asking is, like, these four people, and maybe Dylan included, what sort of. Because we hear it a lot, you know, that they're being going at, they're being gone after by some, you know, organization, some agency. But what exactly does that mean? Is it straight up, like, brass knuckles and like, hey, we're going to beat you out in the parking lot if you don't shut up? Or is it more subtle? Is it like a little wink here and there? Or is it very overt? Like, hey, if you don't stop this, we'll bury you in the desert. Like, what's, what does that look like? Help me understand. Right. So, it's insidious. And that's the best word that I can use for it. And it comes in a variety of ways. And some are overt. And some are covert. And then some are. Just almost seemingly inert. And it's really. So, I would like to break that down for you. But I want to back you up one second. Sure. Which is that. Dylan raised his hand and got all the way there. And he testified. So, clearly, I'm not talking about him. Yeah. Although he did, you know, get messed with. And to be factual, actually, Arrow was part of a significant operation to. Entrap him with a false, fictitious, I don't know the right words, just completely fabricated crime. Really? Yeah, yeah. And I don't know. That's pretty serious. That's real. And we're. So, now talking to you, though, time dilation, we're not completely through that yet. Mm-hmm. So, that just started being opened with. By the time this airs, it might have been. I hope. Exposed. I hope. Well, I don't. I don't know. Man, this is going to take a little while. I apologize for this. So, I don't know. And the reason I don't know is because my personal duty is to not harm where I live. And by telling the world what people in our country did to whistleblowers and who's involved from the king all the way down to the soldiers, that could harm our nation's. Our nation's. In my opinion, security, you know, because it becomes a vulnerability for any adversarial nation to exploit if they know that we have dirty laundry. Right. So, I don't know. That's interesting. And so, this section of the podcast might be sped up to nonsense because I don't know. Let's find out. So, now let me answer your question. Let's just get real terrestrial here, okay? What does it mean when. Whistleblowers or people are threatened by a multitude of private contractors as well as intelligence agency individuals, I'm going to say, because there are bad apples in a barrel. Right. And the barrel is good. Yeah, not to blame the whole agency. Right. Sure. Right. So, what does that look like? Well, I think the way you define for me in the world of magic, there are certain key elements of like a show. You broke some shit down for me this morning, right? Like what your language is. Do people spell the word magic? Like the same way, kind of like that. Depending on the agency, each agency has a persona. So, you can say a CIA persona feels like an orange mug that says the flying saucer, okay? ODNI is like a glass of water. That's their personality. D-O-J-F-B-I-O-D-N-I, which oversees all intelligence agencies out of like. Let's pretend there's 16 in the United States, right? ODNI would be the top of that pyramid, allegedly. Allegedly. ODNI would have oversight in a pyramid all the way down to every intelligence agency within the United States, okay? Even ones that can only operate outside of the United States. So, what does it look like? What depends on who you're asking about. So, Arrow. Is beholden. Or, sorry, beholden. Yeah, I'd say beholden to the Pentagon. But I would typically say Arrow is beholden to ODNI. And I could be wrong, by the way. So, I'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who has a great mentor. I get things wrong all the time. So, I'm telling you now. I believe this to be the case. When I think about it later, I'm going to change my answer. So, if ODNI is running, and it's got Arrow underneath, Arrow is doing the pressurization of somebody, okay? That's going to have a distinct odor, feel, and smell. So, the way Arrow goes about it is they will have, for example, a colonel. And they will call, for example, a Navy, an active Navy guy. And the active Navy guy says, I decline to interview with you. Because I have said, so I'm going to somebody that did testify right now to be kind of safe about my words. But like. Like, Chief Wiggins. Okay. He testified to the world. Raised his hand. Active Navy. So, then Arrow, after the fact, under ODNI, is my impression, they would call him. And he would respectfully decline an interview. Because he said, I told them everything I know. What are you interested in? And then Arrow would say, well, I'm not interested in people. I'm just interested in events. Right? And so, Senior Chief Wiggins would then be asked, like, so who was with you in that room when that video was taken? Now, I know they're lying to him already. Because I provided them every name that was in that room. Because I provide a lot of people every name. Because it's public record. Because it's not a classified situation. Right? So, now you've got this weird kind of pressurization that is beginning. And then if he declines again. And by the way, when the interview is over, when they catch you on the phone and they pretend to be, like, driving in a car, they are driving in a car, but they're pretending, like, oh, Mr. Magoo, everything's cool. They're weaponizing his answers to try to entrap him in something that isn't real. Right? They're wishing because they don't know. And that's what's so cool. They don't know. So, they're trying to create a situation to pressurize him. Why? Because, ultimately, they want to have, they want to be able to shape the emerging UAP narrative. So, they want to have control of any names, navel person that would ever even dare to, to stand up and raise their hand about UAP again. Not that they're not going to let them. They're just going to shape it. They have to, yeah, they got to put out the fires. No, they need to have control of the burn. So that is one way that you apply pressure. And that is the inert way. Nobody can get in trouble. Nobody is getting in trouble. This is a high level thing. But what they're trying to do is spread a word on the wash that there are obstacles to you telling the truth. In the Navy. Because things spread. Like when I brought, when I kept commander. But that's so subtle. Like it feels. I'm telling you the subtle one. Yeah, it feels like that could almost be mistaken for, I guess, ignorance. Oh, I didn't finish. Okay. Because then once you've declined and then your superior gets a call and that call is simply like menacing, and then the superior says, well, what happens? Because the Navy's show, they got the backs of their sailors. They got the backs of them. That's true. That's fact about the Navy. So then the, we'll say senior person, I don't want to identify rank or whatever. They'll say, so what happens if he declines again? And the flex will be, well, we'll go to Pete Hegsaff. Okay. Okay. Okay. So they will go to. Like just flexing that they have a direct line. And you know his position. Yeah. The secretary of war. Okay. So that was their flex, which made me fucking laugh. I got it. My sense of humor back when I heard that. Man, because that is the worst possible flex they could possibly do because it's such bullshit. Yeah. So now we're in the thick of that. That's like, I'll tell the teacher. No. Well, sorry. I hate to keep saying no, but yes. And yes. And yes. We are going to get the teacher to sit you in the corner and you will fucking answer and you will interview with us, even though you've already said everything to the American public that you fucking know. And that's the end of story. Cause they're trying to create a message that then flows through the Navy. Now that is the inert, right? I listed three types, covert, um, overt. I think I said, and inert. Is that what I said? Sure. Play the tape back. Okay. So that is like the most simple version of inert, right? Now you've got, we're talking about, we're talking about threatening witnesses. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah. Okay. Well, I just want to know what they mean by that, because we've heard it a lot. We've heard about reprisals. We heard this and that, and it's kind of been like never even, you know, when Grush talked about it, Grush has said that, you know, people have sustained, uh, injury and, you know, casualties have been taken, but like, it's always kind of been vague. And I just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions. So, so it is always going to be big because now, we're going to move over from co, or we're going to move up from inert. And we're going to move to, um, I think we'll move to covert. Okay. So, so covert, um, or should it, what was the other one I said? overt. We can go to overt. Let's go over it and then covert. Okay. So, overt. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling, smart move. Another smart move? Bundling. Tell your doctor, your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis, or Lambert-Eaton syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor. You get a call, and on the other end of that call is, we are going to fucking kill you. Full stop. Hang up. That's just a start. Okay? That's overt, right? Would you agree that's overt? That's pretty overt. Yeah, we're going to fucking kill you. Hang up. Now, that'll get in your head like a worm. Okay? So you get like a bunch of those. You don't know where that's coming from? Let's keep going. Overt. You tell me if this is overt. You're at a bar, and you're there with friends that can read, I say. They can read. They can read the, okay? Funny story about auntie, but anyway, they can read. And there is a violently murderous, quiet motherfucker just sitting by you, and you can feel like pain, right? Like it hurts. And you're like, oh, it's fucking in my head. You know, I can chill out, man. Get a sense of humor. Breathe. You know, it's fine. So you are so used to this that you go to the bar, because you know all the, and you just ask, have you ever seen this guy before? Nobody's ever seen this guy. Nobody. Servers there 10 years, never seen this guy. So you buy a beer, and you put the beer down right next to the guy. And you go, hey man, never seen you around here. My name's Jeremy. Here's a cool sticker. It's a joke, but it's not. That's fucking flying saucy, you know, like that. And you go, you live by here? And the mask, the charade, just like vanished. Totally unmasked, right? Totally unmasked. And you happen to have a reporter watching who can read. And the individual says something exactly like, yeah, just down the road, but like that. And you're like, cool. So, bullshit. And then that guy would say something like, very, very threatening, would stand up, walk away. Now, when I said bullshit, let me clarify. I didn't say like, bullshit. I was like, come on, man. That was my version of bullshit. So that is very overt intimidation, especially when you can find out later who that person was. You found out who that person was? I'm saying, especially when you can. Did you? I'm going to decline to answer that. Okay. Well, I mean. I'm sorry. I need to hold something for myself. Yeah. For my own. So you may or may not have found out who that was. For my own self. For my own sanity. Sure. Okay. So, I'm not trying to be evasive. Give me the soda. Could you, could you take this guy in a fight? If it, no weapons? No. He was big? Yeah. He's a huge guy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. No way. I'm dead. So, especially when a, when, when your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by a car watching everything because I got good friends. I don't hang out with douchebags. Yeah. And they follow and he notices that the guy is, because he's not like a trained guy. And when he notices, he walks up into the woods. Ooh. Not, yeah, he walked up into the woods. Oh, that's creepy. Yeah. So, that's overt. Would you consider that overt? What, when you, when you called him out for bullshit, what did you say? Um, fuck. The exact words were, um. Was it watch your back or something? Or was it? No. I think what I said was I didn't say the exact words. He said, I don't recall what I. Yeah. He said like, uh, no way or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. My brain. Yeah. Whatever I said, before if I said it, then it was in my mind. Yeah. As the exact. I don't want to put myself right there again because I'm just moving it through over. Yeah, you were like, get out of here. So, no, no, I didn't say get out of here. No, like when he said, you know, I lived down the road, you called him out on it. Right. Did he say anything back to you before he left? Yes, and I already said it and I, my brain has already moved on. No, you didn't say what he said. Okay. You said what you said, yeah. So, let's just, let's just leave it at that. Okay. And I want to move forward. All right. I, I will do a disclaimer about my, my brain at the later. That's fine. My memory. No, that's fine. How this works. Okay. I understand. So, I have to put myself there visually. Yeah. But I've already moved on. So, so now. Jeremy, first of all, as someone who spent time with you, like, I understand, you don't have to keep explaining, you know, your, your, the way that you interpret how your brain works or anything. I get it. No, no, I know, but your audience doesn't, they don't know me. That's okay. Okay. I get it. And if they've watched the movie, which by now they would have, they'll get a glimpse into who you are. Okay. And how your brain works. Okay. And I think they can appreciate it. And I think, you know, just, just so that you don't have to feel the need to stop and address it all the time. Okay. But I, you know, I usually have a pen and paper because I, I don't want to get off track when I answer your questions. I hate it when people don't answer questions. Of course. But I need to take you somewhere so that you really understand it. You're pretty good at putting a pen in things. Okay. So now here we are. Would you consider, I've given you two now. I would consider that somewhere between covert and overt. Right. So, So now, now we're there. It was covert before it was over. Okay. It became very overt. Yeah. Okay. But so now I gave you one, which is like the calls. Then I gave you one where the guy kind of starts off covert and then is over. Yeah. Now I've got another one for you to show you where the lines start blurring. So let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody mark bumps into you and marks you. Let's just marks you. We'll say, I just want to be physically bumps into you, physically bumps into you. And like, you know, let's say, put something on you that marks you. Let's pretend it's a pin. I'm sure you're bumping you next thing you know, you're wearing a pin. Okay. So then later you come to understand the meaning of that pin. Right. And so that is overt, even though nothing is quite said now. So there's another version. We're getting into the real covert. Yeah. We've got to look around our beds. I'm making sure the cameras are on. I know. I was giving you cover. Yeah. Okay. I'm trying. I'm trying to be, he's making sure the cameras are still rolling. There's a brand new cameras. Chris Ramsey's nervous that the screen's going to go out. Okay. Oh, all screens going. Okay. So, so now we're kind of blending the covert over, you know, you said brass knuckles. Um, sure. People get beat up. They get fucking killed all the time for what they know that does happen. And that's not just UFO related. That's like we have in the mob, there are thugs all over in the mob. You get killed simply because you know, something you will be murdered viciously to send a message. But sometimes. Sometimes when people just vanish, that is also a message to the people that need to hear the message. Poof. You're gone. You're McCaslin. Poof. You're gone. You're so-and-so. Poof. You're a guy at Los Alamos. You're gone. Poof. You were working on a science thing and all of a sudden, poof, you're gone. You're gone. You're gone. Question is, where'd you go? Now we find bodies sometimes. Question is, is McCaslin a three body problem? Is he? Because there were two others that people are linking to him in some weird kind of way. And did it have anything to do with UFOs? I have no idea. I'm not read into that, but I'm just saying sometimes people vanishing is more of a message to those that need to know than if somebody gets killed. So the worst thing you could do is, um, like stab Dylan Borland in the neck 20 times, uh, you know, in public, because then that would make a lot of questions. So if you really were trying to hurt somebody. Then the best way to do it is covert. Just make them go away. No, that's because remember, that's a big message. Oh, it's a big message too. Right. So it would be covert. And the best way to get a result is to have people do it for you without them even knowing it. How do you mean? Okay. So you've got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes Chris Ramsey. We're going to put it on you so you can feel it. Okay. So this guy is a UFO fanatic. And this guy is unstable. And this guy fucking hates you, Chris. Okay. Easy. This guy also has a history that history allows him to be close to intelligence, but he fucking hates you. And he ain't so Teddy, but that's why they chose him in the first place for other jobs. You have to be a little bit of, um, sociopathic tendencies to be chosen, not loose cannon. They can't have that. Um, ask that guy that was in prison from the CIA. Um, that dude who is famously a whistleblower about, um, murders or sorry about, um, torture. What's his name? Come on, man. My brain. Um, Kariaku, John Kariaku or something. So this guy was famously CIA and FBI tried to entrap him because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people. So he served out of choice four years in prison as a CIA guy for, you know, disclosure going on the news of this fact, because it was the right thing to do. And he'd do it again. Right. So kind of reeling me back in to the story about you. So you've got somebody now that has close ties to intelligence who is not a loose cannon, just has sociopathic, um, tendencies, but it's not sociopathic because you can't control those guys. Okay. All that needs to be done is to instigate quietly, poke prod in flame. And then that person gets the bright idea to really hurt you. Right. So now that person is as an emissary doing what's wanted by these intelligence agencies because he already doesn't like you already has significant training and just needs a little poke and prodding that's covert. Is that cause you know, those, those types of psychological tactics, you know, is very ultra, uh, type, you know, behavior as well. So I've heard, um, is, is there anything that leads you to believe that that is the case or is it a hunch? No, I know. I, I, I know with 100% factual, you were told outside of that person that this is happening by like some credible. So the answer is yes. Okay. Hold on. Let me process the time dilation. And if I can ever be clear on this, just let's pause the podcast right now. I mean, let's keep rolling, but just let me pause. I'm going to speak freely, but we need to check if this can be said. Sure. Okay. You will check that with me. Okay. So I'll speak freely. Ask my mom. I was told, by an agency. Yeah. They brought a sincere, credible and urgent threat to my life to me. And so there's, there's some, I don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden that's the agency you can imagine. But so imagine, I mean, there's not too many agencies here. Imagine you have to sit down with your mom and your wife and because you've had to move twice because of threats. To your life, most of them overt, some covert, like moving into my new house and having it show up in a tabloid called dirt.com. Okay. So, um, and only two people know, cause you bought it in a blind LLC. And those two people over three years, you found out for fucking sure they didn't do it. Then you found out who paid the $300 to get that ad in there. And that fucking sucks. Cause, cause then you realize America's not what you thought it was. So let's reel it back. So the person who paid for the ad is a member of an agency. A member of an agency. So I can't prove that. Right. But that's your hunch. I would say, I would say, I know, but I still can't prove that. Okay. Okay. So, but yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. Sure. Um, but, but here's the deal. But that's pretty significant. Yeah. It's very significant to me in my understanding of the world, but let's get back to the Chris Ramsey threat and my mom and my wife. So you're sitting there and the FBI is informing you, um, and you're informing them too, but then they sidebar your mom and they, they, they take that opportunity to tell her some truths, right? They don't want to say it necessarily right there with me, but they kind of tell my mom what's up. Right. And the thing is, is that they really can't protect you because if there is an agency who is covertly pushing a psychopath to hurt you, Chris, and you were told that by someone you trust, meaning an agency that's supposed to protect you, that's what we're talking about. As far as like using people, that is real. I know that is real because I have personally experienced it. But let's talk about the other witnesses and what's happened to them. I mean, I don't know where you want to go with this. I mean, Am I making sense to you? You're making sense. Definitely. And, you know, I, I guess for me, it's, um, you know, I'm sure many people feel this way as well. You know, they want, they want specifics. Right. When it comes to this stuff. But I also understand that it gets sensitive around specifics because, you know, there are apparently lives at stake here and, and, and more than, um, you know, more lives than, than are publicly even disclosed. And so that's a, that's a. Freedom of thought. Right. Is at stake. Freedom of speech is at stake. Sure. Matthew Brown, um, his physical life before he went public. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Was, um, I would say it was very clear that, that people didn't want him to come forward. So when you say that, what do you mean by that? Because when I hear that, I hear that a lot. It was very clear. And in the interview that you released with Matt and both interviews with George as well, um, you, it seems to be agreed upon between the three of you that yes, serious things have been implied and there has been sort of activity surrounding, uh, a threatening nature. But we're, we're always just told that. We're never told the specifics. Is it because it's dirt? Is it like, what is it that, that they, that they have that. No, there's no dirt on that. No, but what, what I'm asking, because I can only assume, right? And, and it's always, it always seems like, oh, they're definitely threatening. But then we never get to hear like, you know, you said they called you and said, we're going to kill you that i understand yeah that's that's over that's as direct as it gets yeah um but a kid could do that yes but what i'm asking is at what point does it go from it's actually happening to you know from an outsider's perspective perceived paranoia oh you know you yeah first of all a perceived threat is as important as a real threat because it feels the same sure okay so to the person oh absolutely you you need to be pronoid or are you going to get paranoid and you need to document everything fastidiously and check it with people who are not in your emotional state like your federal lawyer like for me it'd be a bunch of people right you also need to have evidence and proof and so you and you have to live that way and living that way means that every moment of your life unless you choose it to be is documented recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers you encrypted and then spread out so anybody could see it if you ever say so or want them to so you you're saying that you have threats that are recorded bro or that people you know have threats let me ask recorded well first of all both okay is the answer okay i want to answer your question yeah okay and then let's move to my movie so you the movie opens with if i recall with a cia veteran yes so let me let me show you the the shape of the orange cup now which i said was cia okay yeah told you you were good at putting pins and things well i have tools these are all tools for me to remember yeah you're good at that so my memory is this here's cia um so cia if you if if you if you meet with them and you know first they try to enroll you as a patriotic american okay but you're already enrolled you're already like i am you know i'm never going to hurt our country you know um i'm gonna do my best and if i fuck up that's on me not on you sure okay they don't like that so much so then they're like well to enroll you they want to give you incentive okay so what does that look like it's transactional bro it's simple you know maybe ten thousand dollars a time now you have to understand too i'm a i'm a journalist so i have different rules that i have to play by and they have different rules in order to contact me so some some are like there's a six-month process for one agency they're supposed to be rules okay also cia ain't supposed to be operating on american soil no that's true right it is not true but it is true yeah but i mean that's it that's supposed to be the nsa okay yeah you know more than i do so here we go i mean i you know i don't know i just know that's a fact so you know the thing is people will get paid just to go talk to somebody just by like memorizing the streets of a small town right like you know they'll they'll tell you we you know look for me i don't give a shit because i get paid for it i don't give a shit paid x amount of dollars just to memorize streets when i'm here you know but when it comes down to money so cia is the most covert they're the most um i respect their uh methodologies because they never fully say what they're saying until they do so at first it's like enroll you if they can't enroll you because you're already enrolled you want to protect america you're a patriot you live here then they'll be like well you know people get paid you know it's a transactional thing but you're like oh but i'm i'm a journalist and so yeah a hundred percent a hundred percent and then like you know you don't even let people buy you a beer no yeah okay then when it gets heavier and they can't enroll you and they can't incentivize you the next thing they can do is make you uncomfortable so an example of that would be um you know you buy a house on blind llc and then a magazine prints it okay and there's only two people on planet earth that know that you're associated with this property and you're moving because of a direct threat that has been proven to you and you were informed about that then if that doesn't work then the next thing is hey man we really want to look out for you and we are worried that just the bad guys you know like other foreign nations um intelligence people you know they might try to honey trap you man you know they might try to do this to you that to you but we you know we can like look out for you so you know let us know let us know if something ever occurs like that and then that shit they do that does try to occur you know people but you know you're on guard you got friends with you have to live that way so you got right they all eyes open you make a joke you say it out loud you fucking my side you know the whole thing you didn't read my profile you have to talk to me about my dogs first you're making jokes making jokes so then that's like oh fuck you better report that to your lawyer like you know just the fact that someone was this close to you you got to report that to your lawyer you'd give that to doj fbi you'd go like that because you want everybody to know that fucking happened now the question it and they affirm that that fucking you have your friend taking a photo of the instagram of the girl when she's talking to you so you then look at the instagram profile have her assumed name pass it on to doj okay so all of a sudden you've got that kind of weird honey trap thing where just somebody's trying to get to you real close to you that seems exhausting for me yeah yeah bro i'm done living like that so so that's part of why i told you i'm going to be free because i put my cards on the table all 52 chris might hold one but that card ain't even supposed to be in the deck that card's right here chris okay that one's not supposed to be in the deck so now the next thing that occurs because you ain't buying that shit because here's why tell me if you already thought this because if i can't operate on american soil but massad can and does then i might ask my friend to send their girl you tracking okay that happens every day and i'll finish it with this little honeypots not just that we're talking all types of actions so let me put it to you like this there is an upside down and it is everywhere around you at all times and the people that have trained officially and are part of it know that it exists and it is the intelligence web that is constantly operating at high speed with time dilation i mean faster than you can think like actually 100 like when you're saying that you're not just speaking in hyperbole no i'm speaking in hyperbole oh there's no internet under the ground no but i mean time dilation no no no i'm not going into weirdo land okay well i gotta be careful i forgot we're talking ufo shit oh yeah i'm 100 massively invested in weirdo land so i so if you say if you say they're using time dilation i'm i'm pretty convinced of that fact myself i have no idea all right you're not just entertaining my psychosis here this is okay perfect i i'm outside of the scope of my knowledge base okay if i said that okay i have a theory base like we were talking theory right now i thought you were gassing up my um you know my insane mind right now i'm not saying that i'm not saying that i'm not saying that i'm not saying that now for a sec because i'm like this is what i want to talk let's talk about time dilation i hope i'm throwing i hope you've got a fire burning in your brain and i'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now so let's just finish this because this is way heavier than i wanted to start with yeah so i want to like reverse it you know moonwalk from z to a sure but i'll just finish this this is what you said the word hyperbole yeah this is i'm just explaining that that thank god there is an intelligence network that is operating at all times it's the upside down you don't see it and it's fucking happening all the time around you and the only time it percolates to the surface or there's a puncture and you and you see behind that veil is unfortunately when you have to go into skiffs when you've been involved when you've had what i call badged contact because it's literally badged contact and they read your profile and they say i got to talk about my dogs you have to show them a video you can't just do that it has to be a video and then you could talk to him because he's a journalist and you know he probably has a perfect audio memory that can be transmitted at any time verbatim so just know that about him as well because he always takes phone calls on speakerphone for the last more than 11 years now and and he's always talking on speakerphone so just know that about him so that's how you approach right so you have to understand and now you do is that there is an upside down and thank god there is and it's so important but the only time that we as normies see a penetration or a poke like the ancient greeks used to say stars were hummingbirds that would poke holes in the firmament and that's what stars were right the only time you get to see that i get to see that is when it's too late when when you've already crossed the rubicon otherwise you have disbelief you have the word you said which is paranoia which i have never been one day in my life like the word conspiracy theorist is a is a dagger it's a weapon it's used to discredit you but we can use those funny terms and we can make ufos funny again because they should be i agree yeah so that that's just now that we've done the heavy thing yeah and you understand at least that i believe what i'm saying to be true now we can lighten up talk about time dilation i mean yeah it's uh thank you for sharing all that and i know i know it's well it doesn't seem easy to talk about and especially you know after watching the movie um first of all congratulations is a weird thing to say yeah uh but i didn't make the movie no i know but the michael lozowski made the movie well the movie is uh really good watch i i the art yeah the artistic choices that he made um were really in were really appreciated i appreciated them you want facts you want specifics like sure i feel like in this movie the focus was more on the in-between moments and the in-between moments were put forward as the main moments and the main moments were kind of brushed aside and i think that that's a director or filmmakers approach to trying to find the authenticity it is hard going in front of a camera and being authentic to say to someone hey just be real be authentic be yourself it's never been hard for me no but i mean in why is it hard but in general it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self-conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this is something i had a i had a tv show we did one season of and i was the executive producer and the creator of the show and i remember we were doing some sort of hidden camera stuff because we wanted people to not hidden camera but we wanted people to act naturally with cameras around act naturally act naturally hilarious you know that exactly it is it is you can't be acting you just have to be no it is contradictory but just sort of you know that term just act natural yeah um which is hard for people to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around so what we would do is uh the camera would be filming and we noticed a certain amount of people were doing it and we noticed a certain amount of people were doing it and we noticed a certain amount of people were doing it and we noticed that as soon as people yelled uh cut everyone would relax and then they'd be themselves and so we had a code word for cut instead of being someone else you had a code word for cut so we had we had a code word for cut so when we said cut it wasn't cut it was cameraman relax and look away while he's still filming and then we get the real moments because a lot of the moments we were like what'd you can you describe what happened in that magic trick and if the camera's there they go uh it was great uh so wow it was amazing you know and then we're like i can't use that we need authenticity and so we go all right we got it cut and then we go like wasn't that crazy they go oh my god that was so insane and they'd open up while we're filming sort of slouched and so what i'm trying to say with this is during this there were a lot of moments where you know there's a moment where you got very emotional where you're like you said that's okay years ago to me i did and you were like cut this out motherfucker you left and you left the room no in the to me and in this movie um and he left that of course of course he fucking did and and me with tmz too fuckers but i also think that like aside from that there was also those in-between moments with john lear hold on i said fuckers in a good way like i love you ryan at tmz you you left it in even though i was like are you sure you want so what happened with john lear yeah with john lear it was much of the same the first of all i didn't realize how much john lear enjoys eating until we cut out 90 percent of that every scene was he was stuffing his face with something it was unbelievable he was either smoking a cigar or or eating and he was always when he's eating he's so consumed by what he's eating he's just like and he's and he's listening half listening he's like yeah and just back to back to food did it capture the movie did you see a glimpse of his laughter yeah yeah you did okay yeah yeah especially especially when um when he was asked um do you think you're not do you think you're crazy you know and yeah do you think you're nuts warm nuts yeah exactly and he kind of brushed it off and he's like no he's like i know these things to be real he's like other people might think i'm nuts he said with absolute like pity on me yeah no yeah no yeah to him no but there's another laugh there's another laugh that he gets and i i don't know if michael put it in his movie but let's let's myopic this for a second let's split a hair um let's talk about michael for instance i've never been able to talk about this it's the first time that i'm talking about this movie and i don't know if i'm ever gonna talk about this movie again so i want to talk about this movie and about michael okay um one other thing you said that i put a mental pin in i want to come back to but so michael lozovsky about being natural um so i wanted to ask you a question about being natural i learned something about a camera and i think that's what allowed me to never fear them or never know just decline to admit them their existence because because i do and you know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that time like a weapon and then i know the camera's going or whatever but it's never about the camera and there's a reason why there's a reason how i got there i want to tell you that but first quick question why do you think that a camera inhibits acting normally or whatever the word you said was acting yeah why do i authentically yeah rather than just being with it why does that lens do that to people because you become self-aware what why is that a problem well it's it's it's only it's only a problem for people who are afraid of how they're being perceived exactly yeah so if you're why do we why do we have fear about the way we're perceived it's fear of not being loved hold on give me my brain a second okay so fear of not being loved okay is it also fear so yes and is it also fear of being hated and ridiculed same one in the same i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying the same thing yeah oh so agreed now we can move on yeah okay um so i mean that was a really nice thing to watch unfold is these in-between moments uh there's a moment where john lear's stuck in the kitchen with a head and then you go on with the chair so the reason why i don't fear the camera sure is because i learned from the first time i pointed it at somebody that in fact the opposite is true that sometimes when you put a camera on someone if it's that kind of person it's like a pressure valve the first time i opened a camera on someone they told me shit that they had never even told their wife or their family so my experience with the camera started for me on this end of it and i realized that that's the kind of person that i want to interview because i'm learning the stuff that is not supposed to be said or they felt it wasn't and it was like healing it's cathartic and i put that in a little box and i buried under the ground and and that person knows because hyperbole no really you really buried it i i in the fucking i know but you finish the movie yes but that's what i'm wondering if you're are you referring to that as like a hyperbolic sort of anecdote or are you actually saying this is another thing i buried your analysis of wonderland now and there's no hope okay remember lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized this camera is a passport but i also realized that you have to act the trick to being trusted is to actually be trustworthy the only problem with trust is it doesn't end once somebody trusts you you have to continuously reinforce prove it show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high level of trust that's why i always tell people if something i say sounds too fantastical ask me right now no preparation and i will give you i'll show you the receipt but i brought i brought a different phone so i can't but anyway that is when me and my friends we have this joke we're all receipt and it's not because we don't believe each other it's because we need to know it's true um it needs to be reinforced like if if miracles happen chris and there was over 200 miracles and you know because you've had your own miracle in magic but you know that there's impact in the receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what i'm trying to say is that that relationship that i had to a camera and then where i said and i showed trust over and over and i buried it and i buried it and i buried it uh both hyperbole and not hyperbole at that time um what happens is that gets around so when i kept commander fravor's secret when i could have been the person to break that story in the big scale and everybody including fravor started telling everybody that kid kept my fucking secret that spreads like a virus where all of a sudden everybody's got a contagion and that spreads and it's that this guy can keep his mouth shut because the biggest part of telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation sorted that we've just sorted here on area 52 you know i think that you should feel authentic in front of a camera if you don't don't get in front of one because you can never take that back sure That is something you can never take back. So anyway, with that said, now go back to your saying a funny moment. Well, I mean, that's an interesting, you provide an interesting perspective, I think, into your personality as well, because, you know, you're clearly someone who has an ability to, you have the gift of gab, whether you think so or not. You have the ability to tell a story in a very entertaining manner, in a cadence that demands people's attention. It's a, you know. You know, when you speak, you have this rare ability where people lean in. They do. Okay. And some people, and this is for the people out there listening, some people might think that's only for the camera, because it's the only time you get to see Jeremy Korbel. Gotcha. But I've seen Jeremy Korbel without the camera, and I think everybody who has met Jeremy outside of camera land understands that you're the exact same person. Yeah. This is you off camera too. But it might be mistaken. It might be mistaken for a lot of people who think, oh, this guy's being insincere. He's playing a part. No, that's Jeremy. Jeremy's being who he is on and off camera. I can't be, I have not been able to be someone other than myself. Yeah, and I can confirm that since I've known you. Like, that's been who you are, and it's a quirk that I've come to appreciate. It's a quirk? It is a quirk. Oh, my Lord. It is. This is too much self-reflection. No, you definitely. I have to watch your podcast to understand what you just said. You definitely have quirks. But, you know, it's an endearing quality, I think, in my eyes. Um, but regardless, there is enough of me glazing you here. There's, uh, there is, uh, there is a, there is a, a very endearing quality to this documentary. Regardless of, like, you know, we spoke about this before I watched it. And you're like, you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who I am kind of deal. And then the last half hour is like, that's, that's the stuff. That's what I think. I didn't make the movie. Sure. When I had to watch it and endure it. Yeah. You know, I felt like, and you should ask Michael. Fucking Michael is the one that made it. But, like, it felt to me like he was just trying to make sure people understood that I mean what I say and I say what I mean. And that I'm worthy of your trust. I'm trustworthy. And then I realized that towards the end, he shows you some shit. And I think it's important. And I think that's why he set up the movie like that. But you're going to have to ask him. Sure. Because for me, I don't have the same experience. Yeah, there's there's a there's a few like really interesting artistic choices as well. The lighting, the music. Like, OK, so let's pick one. So, like, I noticed the hands. Right. So at one point, I throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to your hands. And I was like, I was like, what did I just see? And I'm like, shit, that kid's like putting some stuff in there. He has a lot of a lot of footage to sift through to find that. He is a master filmmaker. And that's what I realized. He's a man. I've been through a process with him. I said, Michael, there's no way. He's like, can I just have the drives? I'm like, I ain't gonna fucking trust you. You come into my life. My side. I'm not going to trust you. My wife's like, you got to trust somebody. And she was right. Trust is a choice. The first time after that, it's repeated. So I gave him 20 years of footage. Ninety nine point nine percent. I never put out that kid has seen it all except for what I didn't give him. Sure. What was buried? Well, I didn't give him. Stuff, but I gave him 99 percent of it. So he watched it all. So when I told him a story and he's like, no way. He'd come back to me and goes, dude, it was cooler than you remembered. Check this out. And I was like, what the fuck? So I gave him 20 years of my footage. Then he stuff started happening. And then he's like, dude, we got to turn on the camera fresh. I'm like, I said, we're not doing that. And then he's like, we got to turn on the camera fresh. I'm like, I got to trust you. Is it, it was a trust exercise. So that kid, I just want to not get off him yet. Michael is off scheme. Right out of AFI, I think is the term. Like, you know, probably top of his class because he's an overachiever. Sincere sweetheart, but a very powerful man, family, good human, worthy of your trust. I only put one and I'll let him say it. I put one restriction on him for the movie and I like leaving things undone. So you stay curious and you should ask him what the one condition I had was for him to make and use my 20 years of footage. When you talk to him. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Um, I, there's a few, there's a few choices there as well that, you know, I found really interesting as, as, as, as someone who knows you, um, one was, you know, he didn't cut around the fact you're cracking beers during this movie and, you know, someone in your position might be like, Hey man, can you cut a few of those out? I feel like I'm drinking a lot of beers on camera. Really? Yeah. Maybe. But I think it shows once again, just who you're, you're building, you're taking care of houses, you're cracking a beer, you're fixing stuff, you know, you're, you're walking your dog. It shows you, it shows your mom, your relationship with your mom, um, you know, how close you guys are. Clearly that comes across as well and how much she cares about you, how much you care about her. That's very, very apparent. I love her. I love my whole family. Yeah. And it's, it's very, very apparent. And so it was, it was these small glimpses in, and, and. They weren't, I think what I, I think what a relief to me watching it was they weren't all flattering. Okay. And I think, I think that that's good. Okay. No, I know that to be good because the last thing you want is a puff piece. Right. You know, if you like, Oh, that's not real. No, that's not real. Correct. Exactly. And this really showed, it really showed all the parts. So I was really, I was kind of really appreciative watching it from that lens of being like, Oh yeah, that's Jeremy. Now I got to kill the guy or what? What do you want to show? Okay. No, I'm just kidding. Thank him. No, I, I, I'm going to thank him with action. Um, okay. Let's get into, first of all, I do want to sidebar, go back to that pin that I put, uh, John Lear. We got a whole map. Which pin? John Lear playing bumper cars in the kitchen was one of the, one of the highlights for me when, you know, it is sad because you see his decline. Uh, you were there with John Lear through, you know, his unfortunate, you know, decline. Um, but we all declined. Yeah, we do. But it is, it takes, it takes strength to, to be there, you know, and you see you're fluffing up the pillows for him when he's shirtless on the couch and, you know, all these type of moments, you know, that must've been, that must've been kind of difficult to, to witness and, and, and sit through. Well, I loved John Lear. I love John Lear. He was a true friend to me. And the capacity that he could be, he was limited in some ways. Um, what really hurt was, but, but what really hurt was that I was his least favorite human on planet earth. At least he tried to pretend I was, I probably was, but I'm, might be a little delusional about that, um, towards the end. And it made me really sad because even when we were friends, he'd get really mad at me and like yell shit, you know, and I couldn't find the voice messages for Michael's. And one thing I couldn't find. Um, but he would, cause you know, everything in the movie you see is actual. That was the first time I drove to his fucking house was we put the first time in cause we said we're showing the first time. So that was kind of, I'm going to give you a hint. That was kind of the only condition is that fuck, I guess I'm just going to say it and see if Michael agrees, but I'm going to tell you, you may not do any movie magic. You may not. You may not. I'm not going to put anything in there that isn't 100% accurate and true. That is down to the voice message of him telling me to get Philly Titans because now, now you're starting to understand me for a second here. Before I started filming with John, for some reason, I was recording almost every word that came to me at all times. Not a good way to live, bro. But that's how I have that message from John. So now you're getting a little insight into what I had said earlier back here in time. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about what I had said earlier back here in time. Today is that everything in that movie is exactly as I, as I say it. And as you see it, and that was the only thing about Michael, because the thing about me with movies, I've always wanted to make one that fucks with people. I want to make one that seems real and is real, but has a weird undertone of the perforation and the fucking hummingbirds touching the fucking firmament to look like stars. But I've never done that because I started with a movie called patient 17. And I was shocked, very shocked. And then, then I started, then I went in on the, you know, skin Walker movie, which is perplexing. And then Lazar. So I've never been able to make that movie I want. And I'm, I think I'm done making movies. Right. But Michael's movie, because it was partially my movie, because it was my footage. It has to be fucking honest, brutally. Everything accurate, authentic, and honest. Did he achieve his goal? Did he get it? Did Michael get it? Was he honest? Are you asking me? Yeah, I'm asking you. Well, I don't know. Right. That's for you to know. Well, I know. It seemed honest. But maybe you'll find out. Yeah. No, absolutely. There, there is a, I remember one part that I really liked too, was this character that John Lear had been chatting with the, the, the guy who told him about the afterlife. I forget the mystery. sleeper that's right was it mr sleeper or just sleeper or whatever it was i like that yeah i don't know uh he's a sweetheart by the way he is an absolute sweetheart sure i feel kind of bad that's the one part of the movie i feel kind of bad about because what what michael didn't say in the movie he told what i thought right he told that i thought that it was a lie it was a lie knowing i think a knowing lie yeah but sometimes like husbands and wives they say these little pretty lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear knows he's gonna die and he's telling him you're gonna go to heaven sleeper gave him a ticket bro sure he gave him a ticket so i felt like that was a knowing lie i hope that's how the movie portrays it because what happens is in reality too sleeper is a really the limited exposure i have to him very amazing authentic sweet human and he's not a liar he's not a liar so when that thing came up in that movie it made me kind of squirm but i'm kind of going like well that's true too so i just wanted to caveat that before your audience is gonna see it so i gotta caveat that which is that when i that really ungrounded me and in comes the anchor like the news anchor who's an anchor and a totem pole yeah george motherfucking now yeah right after that um i was just gonna say there's a moment where that guy where you set up the camera and you have him walk into the hotel and sit down and then he immediately he goes how was that was that good you're like yeah that was great seemed really natural and that stayed in and it's those moments that i really liked about this document but i do that too is like um i make sure like i give somebody what they're looking for so i don't think that says a lot about him being uncomfortable i think no no more that no i just i got you of course i'm looking for i just like that the the artistic choice of leaving that in versus starting on the talking head understood sorry did you start on the talking head that's what everybody does and he had him walk in sit down and be like did you get it yeah we got it and then nothing that's we're talking about and then we cut out his entire interview all we took was the authentic walk in the sit down the trying to act normal and that's it and i i thought that was really uh endearing and so it's those little moments that i really liked about it and then we cut out his entire interview michael yeah he's he's great yeah it's a great choice it was a it was a refreshing take on on you know you you watch ufo documentaries you think you know what you're gonna get it's not at all what i thought and i liked i liked the surprise um there you know there's all this going on there's the edgar mitchell stuff which i thought was really interesting um you know you kind of see that back and forth banter slightly between edgar mitchell and john lear and you know the mutual respect which he talks about but also this sort of like disagreement on the moon landing for obvious reasons um which which is interesting uh you have um you know um what's his face colonel john alexander and with lear eating and lear's eating wearing a tinfoil hat at the atomic testing yes and in the back oh yes it's it's it's lear and and alexander not lear and mitchell that's right yes and and we get yeah it's it's lear and colonel john b alexander yeah and lear's there as an agent with a top hat that's a fedora it's a top hat that is a tinfoil hat at the atomic test museum and somebody says something like is there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then if you look really closely tell me if i'm wrong world but i think i believe there's just one glimpse and also because i just haven't watched the movie but i believe nick pope is sitting far away at a table sitting there and i believe i believe that may be his first or one of his first that was my first encounter of ever seeing or meeting him if it was that time and man he was in this bathroom before and he was so nervous and and i'd never met him so i'd seen him before obviously so he must have been out there but he was so nervous and i look at him i go bro are you nervous words just come out my mouth what a cool moment and you said john you said um edgar mitchell time dilation i don't know what you saw in that movie but what you didn't see oh i don't know um the hour and a half phone call where he made me sit in a room with his psychic on the telephone edgar mitchell psychic yeah edgar mitchell had a psychic and he talked to her weekly and there's an hour and a half but he knew was being recorded as an hour half of me sitting there and the psychic who felt like a charlatan to me was trying to convince him i was the reincarnation of his son who had passed away oh my god bro it's on tape play the tape back moonwalk z to a i'm just saying there's a lot of people who have been there for a long time and a compression i'm sorry i keep cutting you off i'm just really pumped up on this coffee you get is this atomic yeah it's a what's the uh what's the old paint they used to use iridium yeah um yeah that's interesting i mean there's a lot of those little moments that are kind of cool because you see glimpses people don't really realize how involved you were with documenting ufo personalities um you you know you get to see a lot of colorful personalities come in and out of uh john lear's home uh you know which is really you know kind of shed some light on you know the the figures in this community but also you see a small glimpse of your interview with oscar wolf oh yeah you see a little handshake a little handshake and most people don't know that you filmed that right because i think if i'm not mistaken that was uh richard dolan's uh richard dolan was on camera with oscar we asked richard to do it that's right because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure absolutely and nobody knew my face yeah and so we were like damn what do we do we need somebody who knows shit who can ask smart questions because i'm i didn't know what to ask the guy what a great opportunity yeah and it was reuben langdon who set that all up and reuben langdon did the citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013 he is the the force behind it he is the producer the citizen hearing a lot of people you know point credit to a bunch of people for it no it was reuben fucking langdon reuben langdon literally went bankrupt because a misappropriation of funds and everything that was going on came to me like a life raft so dude i need help i need a brother like we are in a bad situation i am losing everything and i said as long as your past interactions don't harm me in any way i will fucking i got you bro but you we need to literally sign a document that says none of this fuckery will spill over to me and you know i have my businesses my life my livelihoods all this stuff i'm not ufo land can wait reuben langdon is the unsung hero of the citizen hearing and oscar wolf so he is a guy with a story and people will see that interview online right and it is richard dolan because he's a badass gangster knows what he's talking about and is also heartfelt that does the interview yeah and for those who don't know about the interview i'm not going to talk about the interview this interview you should definitely go check it out but this is the one that danny sheehan refers to as well about this gentleman being on his deathbed oh yeah and you know saying that he was at s4 he spoke he saw an alien he saw what he perceived to be some type of extraterrestrial on the other side of a glass yeah and um and you know had had uh cue cards with questions on him and whatnot like this whole he went underground at s4 there was floating ufos not at s4 or i don't i don't recall my memory okay i don't recall but let me tell you something people don't know it's a more important part this has never been said that i know of um maybe i've said it before but um what people don't know if they don't know i filmed that what they also don't know is that he was like on dialysis or something like that for his kidneys that's what was killing him that he didn't have very long to live we're talking weeks or something it was told to us like this is the last chance and it was like a family member of his who kind of made it work his wife violently did not want him to do this interview because of her religion and what happened was this guy gets up out of his dialysis i think it was dialysis out of this thing where he needs a machine we get him in the room he does this interview and goes right back to the hospital type situation he was in so think about this this guy is going to gain nothing you know unless he's a plant trying to confuse it and they're like we're going to hurt your family if you die if you don't do it that's always an option okay but i believe from knowing the guy for this much time and being in that room that he told it like he experienced it and knew it and that even being an older guy with health problems he was sharp as a dagger and i can attest to that i tested him he's sharp as a dagger and he went against the wishes of his most beloved for the fundamental reason of religion she was against it her religious views and he is there and he does the interview that's his mic drop then he dies that is one deathbed confession that saw the light of day now i've been in many of those exact experiences and some people are not dead and other people are dead and yet it is not appropriate nor did they ask me to put stuff out that shit's buried and and here's why let me just defend myself because people gonna be mad right now if that's if what i'm saying is true which it is people be mad what people might not yet understand until the words are spoken and hopefully they do is that when somebody tells you a secret and tells you to keep it secret unless you can't anymore then you do just that you you keep it secret tell you c-a-n-t can't okay because it's not just the person talking and to be sorry i'm gonna bring it out of dr seuss world right now and be very direct with you this episode is brought to you by state farm listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling smart move another smart move getting help from one of state farm's 19 000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling just another way to save with the personal pricing plan prices are based on rating plans that vary by state coverage options are selected by the customer availability amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state i get so many headaches every month it could be chronic migraine 15 or more headache days a month each lasting four hours or more botox autobotulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine it's not for those who have 14 or fewer headache days a month prescription botox is injected by your doctor effects of botox may spread hours 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represent what they're a part of if somebody has close proximity to that a you'll never know their name publicly good try never b they will be quiet they will not be the ones you expect and there's a reason they're put in that position because they are worthy of your trust they are trustworthy and usually if it's military they were born into that position because their fathers were trusted with this secret and sometimes their father's fathers were trusted with this secret now here's the rub that person dies you know they procreate and you know that their kin are also in a position of trust so you release this and i get chills right do you understand does your audience understand i'm sure they do so sometimes to tell secrets you need to keep certain ones right yeah that's interesting the the the nepo situation in the legacy program what does that word mean nepo yeah nepotism nepotism is getting something um basically based on a relationship so you're getting ahead in life yeah but sometimes people are highly qualified to receive that of course of course but but for the most part you know sometimes better than their dads at acting yeah sometimes but sometimes you know it's it's it doesn't hurt it's a bit of a derogatory term that people use that's what i feel in that i don't think that's fair it not always but sometimes it is i think so okay well you have to live in someone's shadow is what i say we say terrestrially yeah sometimes there are big shoes to fill we say terrestrially right yeah sure but sometimes people that are doing that they're just all they're seeing is their own big ass shadow thinking it was their daddy's and that's the thing i've noticed a lot of times is that they're not i got a musician friend and his dad's got a gigantic fucking shadow bro and so this musician guy you know was kind of thought he was living in his his father's shadow but indeed he's now realized thank god that it was his own big ass shadow and so now you're gonna hear his voice again yeah nice um okay let's go back to you oh sorry i want to go back to ufo certainly want to go back to ufos um am i derailing you no okay no i like this i like the train yeah i like dynamic conversations and some people but we're not being sporadic right i don't know who cares okay but i just i hope that you know we can have a logical straightforward conversation we can have any type of conversation we want don't worry about it whatever your audience to to be quite frank in the words of um rick rubin the audience comes last right did he say that yeah what a genius because you know you got to think about the task at hand you got to think about what you're doing and you got to think about what you're doing and you got to think about what you're doing what you're passionate about all that stuff after you do that right if you do that the audience will love it hopefully right but even if they don't it has to mean something to you for you to do it so this is rubik's cube bro yeah he's he's uh he's got some good thoughts um so okay and love the audience by the way it's not trying to be a dick to the audience i think they paid for this set bro unless it was a billionaire you're not telling us ramsey they're not i know um you mean you self-made you mean daddy teal no daddy let me ask you something so your brain yeah that i'm seeing outside of the closed skiff here uh your brain that i have been uh beholding for more than 20 or almost 24 hours sure okay like you created this are you weren't like beast you through neo but you're not a neo baby nepo baby you're not a nepo baby no might be a neo baby but not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the team of people i work with and yeah most of mine i'll say most of mine impressive to see what you've created don't fucking stop thank you and i won't as long as uh my creative passion keeps getting fulfilled okay and my my love for being creative is is renewed then i will continue being creative and passionate but as soon as uh soon as that ends you gotta you gotta change gears change gears yeah like i did you know going from magic to puzzles to this but you never left that gear behind so i've left some gears behind it might seem that way for you to people no no i i know i know you've never no to me it's it's the same trajectory exactly yeah so these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those things were born from but here you are in this skiff now i love it dude but enough about me this is this is the pro interviewer who turning it on me i thought you said we're just talking we are just talking um but i do have a lot of questions about this movie one point i mean which you know there's a lot of footage of bob lazar in this movie as well that i've never seen which was really interesting and you know there's that moment where you're in the woods with bob and bob go and you ask him flat out you know did you have a piece of 115 yeah and bob says i did tell me about that day oh shit okay well first of all bob said that a bunch already that's nothing new and i think that's you know funny if people think so um bob's told you it's it's all over everywhere at one point if you believe bob lazar he had a piece and how we know that is george knapp is a witness to that in that the the container that the 115 was held in um was on the mantle of one of the interviews that george knapp did as like an easter egg it was next to some aerogel and there's no secret that bob had a piece of 115 at one point right um even at one point um i think george has told this story but at one point uh they did analysis a cloud chamber test just to see if bob bob was curious he's like can i get a reaction in a cloud chamber test and he's like can i get a reaction in a cloud chamber test and he's like test to see if it actually does bend a laser it does bend light i mean this is straight out of that movie with like val kilmore um genius real genius do you remember that 80s movie no i don't you're welcome so you're welcome real genius the movie so this is straight out of that so lazar does a test right um it is no secret that at one time bob azar had obtained a piece of 115 115 so yeah in in the movie where i fast forwarded there's a lot that the world will never hear i don't think unless bob says it but like there's no secret in that so you asked me about that day though and that's a can so let's just open it okay so i'd been filming with bob a bunch but that wasn't easy we're not going to get into that one day he says are you coming out or not essentially and i was like yeah yeah i'll come out to michigan let's do that but i didn't want to ask and then get denied so i really carefully just took my one camera and i put it underneath all my clothes and i fucking went out there and it's like this really awkward thing and i'm there it's late at night and there's joy and the pups and we're there and i'm in the living room i remember this and then finally i just said bob like why why am i here and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the world can hear from you and not the bullshit about you from other people he goes of course that's why we're here and it was this weird thing where i had become friends with him but i i didn't want to disrespect that moment i wasn't sure why it's obvious i guess now so i had my camera my one or two cameras and we filmed on that particular trip you're asking about was like a breakthrough it was like he was ready to throw down for himself and you have to rewind the tape bro i mean he had never talked like he did in that room with me and john lear he had never asserted himself in that way on camera you i know there are vehicles not made on earth i know they're made from a material we cannot duplicate we cannot replicate and we never have been able to now he goes i was inside one now i was inside one blah blah blah blah that had never existed on camera i'm not sure it existed in him yet that assertiveness that fucking pissed offness anybody that knows bob knows that he is a fucking fighter he is a really strong human stronger than people know but because he's bob which only means someone to someone that knows him because he's bob he doesn't feel the need he doesn't feel the need to prove shit to you no he really doesn't care no he doesn't care but you only know that because you know him so now there i am and we're we're fucking doing it which you know which means like fourth of july we take my fucking cool ass drone that i brought and we try to explode it you know with like fucking fireworks but then we walk into the woods and you know woods meaning like on his property there and this was the day before i left which is important we'll get back we'll get back to that first whole day i filmed with him by the way um my car just uh took a shit that night and it's never to be retrieved again i tried for six months so you know that's kind of funny right first entire day of course at his labs yeah yeah took a shit never get it back and when i say took a shit i'll tell the truth i think i fucking hit delete i was so nervous that night oh no and just yeah i deleted it so there you go truth's out nobody asked so i never had was that really you or was that something acting through you you know bro it worked out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera you know put the way far away we talked about a lot of stuff and that's for bob to talk about not for me to talk about but it was like an insurance policy you know i believe you have to ask him if he wants to even talk about it so there's nothing that you see in my movie bob bazaar if you want to fly a sausage you see this sped up if i recall like i don't think i've watched the movie since i put it out but that clip and others i've put out that were kind of hit the cutting room floor as they used to say right but bob acknowledges that and he's like i don't think i've watched the movie since i had 115 he's done acknowledged that a thousand fucking times other people have been other people were there they've all talked about that's not news bro but what people should understand is what happened next because it's real and it happened and if you don't understand that you're not seeing reality what happened next is i filmed for another day and we're at his um store call it and i pack up the camera say goodbye get on the plane get home i arrive at burbank airport it's late really late so i go stay at my mom's place in encino and all of a sudden my phone starts going bang bang bang bang bang bang bang like that just like crazy text i fucking told you jeremy it was gene huh i told you this would happen i told you this would happen and like george not be like motherfucker i told you this would happen motherfucker because they're protective of bob and then there's this guy saying like talk loudly talk loudly get some photos photos are of an fbi raid i'm in the bathroom like all that stuff that's real i didn't make that up for my movie and everybody said that everybody said i staged an fbi raid for my movie then they found out it was a real fbi raid it was a multi-agency raid then they said well they weren't looking for 115 totally unrelated nothing to see here move on okay except i know that factually to be true that that was what they were looking for how you're gonna have to ask bob and then if he wants to tell you he'll tell you okay but um essentially um covert because that was the second time they raided bob's house at least at least right because in new mexico they raided they raided him and the the the reason that they gave was like um shipping of of hazardous materials however has bob ever told you a joy ever told you that the reason they were able to do that was because they were being do-gooders and said well we got this company and we're shipping all of these things and we might as well file the paperwork because i think there's a new law coming they were ahead of the curve yeah and that exposed them to the opportunity to raid them under that you say the word okay so then now so i'll put it i am convinced that it was for element 115 it's not a retraction it's a refinement i am convinced and there's reason for me to be convinced now just talk to bob about it see what he wants to say but i'll tell you this they gridded off every three feet of his place space they were really going through stuff we'll put it that way they even mirrored his computer which was very interesting to me and bob i'll leave it there so now they mirror his computer still people are saying i don't want to believe i don't want to believe is what they're really saying they're saying he got raided because some chick died because of some material and this guy was a client he might have the client list if you talk to anybody in the fbi which i called a bunch of friends in the fbi and i asked them is this usual nope is this normal nope is this protocol nope you just what you do is you walk in and you say hey mr lazar there was somebody that died from a super heavy element or not you know sorry died from a rare element that is toxic and we see that you know you on your site you sell this but by the way it's this tiny little sliver that couldn't hurt a fly like in these little collector's packs right that you can buy anywhere so you call them and you say can i have a list of your clients and what exactly what they ordered that are associated with this federal case and then lazar goes of course of course you can right that's not what happened they fucking locked his shit down with in a tiny ass town way smaller than your snow globe way smaller and they locked that shit down and they fucking tore it apart they went through everything mirrored his computer it's like beyond overreaction it was a it was a message it was a message to him because they knew for fuck sure that like if he ever did have possession he would never have it in michigan right you know what i mean so so there you are now people still didn't believe but there was what they call an assisting um report of local where they're assisting federal and if you look at that report what you're going to find out was the day before and the day of both his home and his business had the opportunity to be surveilled something happened that day in those woods that didn't make sense until you play the tape back you know like in your mind so so my point is that day you asked i just described to you that day that's what it was it was a realization moment for all of us for me for george knapp for bob because the hilarious thing you don't see is um later in the woods in that footage i don't think you ever see this um he go i go bob are you like worried at all for your like personal safety and and maybe i'll find this clip now and i could put this out if bob says okay but basically you know he says no i just my life has been great it's been smooth sailing i love my life i don't want any disruption i just want peace um i think they've forgotten about me which is good because i'm not doing shit i don't want to be involved that was like that sentiment was recorded yeah at the very end of that in the forest i've never put that out holy fuck was he wrong was he fucking wrong and we all who when we love somebody we care about them as a friend we all want them to have what they want if it's good for them and for lazar it's peace right so the worst thing he could do is let somebody make another movie about him it's the worst thing he could do or is it the best thing that he could do and i'm going with that yeah think i think you know this is his final attempt to just be like here's everything that i'll ever give you at all like let's get it all out of the way let's go into the base i'll reconstruct the base for you the ship everything well i'll tell you what these people look like i'll do this i'll do that i'll just give you everything that way you can just leave me alone and you know that he's fucking wrong yeah because it's just gonna make people more hungry oh uh come on bro you know that's true well i i so i see it both ways i do see how of course you do he would once you give it all up you think to yourself well i can't give you anymore of course that's going to make people hungry of course that's going to stoke the flame of people's curiosity you It's a valiant effort on his behalf and a very brave step to take uh to a relive everything uh b dig it up and let people go through it again and and c try to go on with his merry existence um you know post releasing um a massive you know sort of project about about his life um will this be good for him i wish nothing but that for bob will it be good for him i think bob knows that and this is before the movie comes out yeah we're gonna know by the time this airs if it was good for him as a human because bob's a smart guy i think he knows there's a storm coming there is a storm coming and um yeah i think he knows that and i think he's uh you know like we'll we'll definitely see what happens but you know there is no better antiseptic than daylight in a lot of these cases and and that's bob's number one reason for coming out in the first place in 1989 was george motherfucking exactly just put it out there and i think that's his way of doing that again in a way that like also appeases people who just nag him for more information perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics out there who had to do that and i think that's questions about certain aspects of the story he doesn't care about that no but also you know good riddance if if that's the case and if they're they'll never be satisfied but if some of them you know end up if i could say this you know and the movie's been as people have seen it but anyone on the fence anyone on the fence at this point watches that movie and goes oh no i haven't seen it yeah and i don't know and you will see it i know but anyone on the fence is now you know you've no reason to be on the fence anymore okay that's cool if the movie does that yeah but that's my greatest fear for bob yeah my fear is that more people will believe him yeah because it's true and my joke is oh bob look what if everybody did believe you how horrible that would be horrible for you because the questions will never end i i do hope that he maintains a sense of um bobness you know in the sense of like he has what he needs which is peace like i don't think he gives a flying fuck what you believe i know that should be true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the past because the movie's already out time dilation and uh and it's already out there and and and bob's doing well yeah you know yeah we could say that because we're in the future now and bob's doing well um i can relate to it in the sense that the only reason i'm letting this movie come out is because i believe in this movie you're talking about your movie yeah yes no i'm talking about the movie about me oh yeah right that michael made sure so i'm just um i think the reason to do it is so that um it's all out there it's honest it will leave people with big questions and they should be asking those questions well it's not all out there right you did hold some cards close to your chest and one card well there's a few okay i want it yeah well i want to get to that as well um obviously the culmination and the pinnacle sort of moment the the critical mass of this movie the where where it ends up peaking is you dig up this lab this this usb key you plug it into your laptop now you're sitting in some abandoned park you crack open the laptop i remember and now we get to see and here's the interesting part too this is a little subtlety to you know how guarded you are about this information we're only seeing an over-the-shoulder view from the camp we're not seeing the actual footage um you didn't i assume give access to that footage to anyone which is why you're there showing it on camera on your laptop versus you're wrong you do see some footage in the movie you just forgot oh you see the whole footage i thought it was just cropped in sort of no no you see some some you see some no you you see the footage but and it's not about the footage yeah but you don't do you see the actual file yeah yeah you see you see clips of like let me give you an example okay because um oh yes you do okay yeah i'm remembering now my bad because a lot of it was like sort of over the shoulder but then there are some things he punched i think he goes back in and he gives you what you think you want right so okay let me start this again you're out of here i'm out of here i'm out of here i'm at the park bench you crack open the laptop you put the usb key in now we're seeing this massive trove of files that you've been collecting uh all sorts of very interesting file names i must have paused it 12 times to just look at the names of the files did you notice how i am dyslexic and misspelled a word three times i did not anyway i did and the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so yes continue i'm with you i'm remembering it um a lot of very intriguing footage now my question to you is does this footage also come out when this movie does oh weird question hold on let me wrap my brain around that for a second no okay because some of it because first of all we're talking about footage so when we've missed the mark so let's no i want to i want to talk about the footage first okay so the footage yeah you should have recognized some of it already i have yeah okay so that tells you that some of it was worthy of public discourse you would see nothing that would harm national security even in especially in a movie yeah okay will more full versions of some of what you've seen come out yeah unless i'm fucking stopped okay that is my intent as a journalist with george is to put out everything we can because there's some interesting stuff there obviously yeah yeah oh yeah oh but but part of this is a shield like i'm trying to practice journalism in america i have been very clear with every agency of concern that as journalists we believe we are living under the first amendment right and we also believe that we have been pretty trusted because we haven't fucked up and we don't intend to and that we have a methodical multi-year process not just to protect sources which is the a number one things protect the source especially when they do not but it is also like protect america but it's also like the truth fucking matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision and you actually got to see the moment that decision was made that was real that happened just like you saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out whatever you had glimpses of if we can make sure that it's um worthy of public debate yeah then as much there is of that will come out but you're seeing the tip of an iceberg of course but i want you to know that i want everybody to know that because i need to make sure everybody believes that i live in america and that's why i'm here and that's why i'm here and that's why i'm here and that's why i'm here and that's why i'm here and that's why i'm here and that's why i live in america under the first amendment being a journalism uh being in journalism because um it's not just videos that are important nope there's also a text file that i thought was really important as well yeah you paused the screen didn't oh yeah oh fuck i knew people were gonna do that yeah and and there's a there's a note on the bottom of that uh shot as well which is um i forget what it says but it's something like to be discussed or okay i don't know what you're talking about you're talking about at the beginning where um i got a whole fucking treasure trove from no no that i saw because uh from the los alamos stuff i saw john b alexander's name on there right because he highlighted to make sure i saw it yeah but if you look at those documents um understand the premise sure i get stuff all the time yeah and i am not qualified as my lawyer would say to understand its value or not value um sensitivity so i have to take time to make sure that i do no harm right that happens all the time to me i have become a guy that people do that now when a package comes torn it makes me wonder so i have to verify that everything is exactly as is because then that That just means it got torn in the way there or it's been read. And by who? By our government? Who is our, you know, who, it's our government? Or by an adversarial government, right? So there we go. I get a package. When they died, his son mailed something to me. And that's what you see at a beginning, early scene in the movie. And that's real. Yeah, the aerial anomalies. Atmospheric anomalies was one tiny little file thing tucked away, which is what the old schoolers used to do as they took their UFO files and you should call them atmospheric anomalies, which is pretty cool. Yeah, what Howard Menzel would call them. Oh, yeah, sure. But anyway, so then you're talking about something else that I am not tracking that was in the movie because I think you missed something. Well, I'm talking about at the end, there was another file. Right. Was it kind of like gold or was it kind of like wallpaper? Yeah, did you read the words? Oh, yeah. Okay, talk. And it's alluding to a cleanup. Yes, sir. Of alien bodies. Alien bio. Yeah. I'm not sure what it said. It didn't say bodies. No, no biosynthetic organisms. What were the exact words? Yeah. There's a word in there that's really tripping me out. Yeah. Symbiotic. Symbiotic, that's right. Yeah, they were afraid that the aliens, that the biosymbiotic alien, whatever, had infiltrated the local population. Wow. Which is such a sci-fi thing to read. What does a symbiotic relationship mean? Yeah, you get something and you give in return and you're both kind of, you're both getting something out of the relationship. Is that thing that goes into the grasshopper, I think, and takes over its brain and makes it go drown? That's not symbiotic. No, that's parasitic. Oh, thank God. Yeah. I would say symbiotic would be more like the hippopotamus and those little birds that live on its back where they're both benefiting. Mutually beneficial for survival? That's right. Is that right? Yep. If we looked at dictionaries? Yes. Yeah, that would be accurate. Thank God. Yeah. Yeah. So that, what I also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that. Did you mean to not redact that? Well, we redacted other things. You redacted the names. Yeah. Well, those phone numbers must be okay then. Okay. People might want to call them. Yeah. If they still exist. I'll call them. But you always hold something back as a magician. Sure. And you do that for two reasons. To sniff out bullshit and as your right, or usually your right punch or sometimes your left hook or an uppercut, something you don't see coming, right? So the jab puts people at distance and everybody knows this bomb is coming. But then the other one's the hook or the uppercut. You hide those a little bit because they have so many knockouts from those, right? So as a journalist, you always keep stuff to one, find out who's going to come to you with bullshit after, like names associated with those phone numbers, or that's your uppercut or left hook, the knockouts. Can I grab that screen grab real quick? Yeah. I mean, it's out. I want to- By the time this talk is, it's out. That's true. Yeah. You can read away. I want to, I'll take a second here. Because of time dilation, I'm going to- I'm going to put this phone this way so no one ever knows now if the clocks are accurate. Let me go. Because that clock's supposed to keep you real, but I don't trust that clock. Oh, well, you can trust it. Really? Yep. That's why it's there. It gives people a reference to when these conversations happened. Just like the Bob Lazar conversation I had recently. People will see on that if they, you know, watch that, if they look at the clock and pay attention, they know when that conversation happened. It was over a year ago. All right, let's get to there. I'm fast forwarding. Take your time. Through your movie now. The skiff. I think there's sodium pentothal in this. Not enough. And 115. Not enough, apparently. No, I'm being straightforward, right? I'm answering your questions. Yeah, you are. If I don't, just stop me as a friend and be like, "Dude, answer my question." Yeah, I will. I know. I trust you will. No, you're doing a good job. Sorry, this is taking a second here. I hate interviews where you ask somebody something and they don't answer. Who was your most evasive interview? While I pull this up. I mean, it was the first two years of filming John Lear was the most evasive interview. Okay, but who's the most evasive interview of somebody credible, who you believe to be credible? Well, I believe John Lear was credible at being John Lear. Yeah, okay, that doesn't go very far. Okay, well, I'm trying to really think here. Like, would you say, would it be a politician? They're not public. They're not public. Not public. So, yeah, the interviews that are the most evasive are like my every day. I eat them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I call people who are in the intelligence community and they have a job to do. And sometimes they're trying to get dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later. Or, and also sometimes people just have a duty to do that. But the most evasive are like when an intelligence agent calls me up with badge contact and they tell me they're gonna do something really great for UFOs. They're gonna find the truth. And then, you know, nine months into these conversations, my lawyer's like, "Do not talk with that agency." And then nine months into that, when I told my lawyer, "Oh, fuck no, I'm gonna talk to him "because I'm gonna fucking find out what's going on "even if I don't get to the last answer." It's when they try to entrap me with false information to see where I put it. It's one of those evasive conversations 'cause they're being evasive. - I get so many headaches every month. - Botox, autobotulinum toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis or Lambert-Eaton syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. - Why wait? Ask your doctor. - Feels like you gotta be a magician just to navigate this territory. - Fuck, dude, I hope I'm doing okay. - All right, got it here. So EPA form 2070-12 attached. EPA, what does that stand for? - Environmental Protection Act, maybe? - Whoa. - I'm not sure. People are better acronyms than me. - Cost estimate attached. - Yes. - Proposed activities. A site investigation, S-I, should be undertaken to determine alien inorganic, alien inorganic compounds or other biochemicals have been disposed of at this site and to determine the presence and or extent of any soil and groundwater contamination that may be the result of materials, disposed of at this site. That sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel. Like it's crazy. - Exactly. - The word aliens is used so flippantly here. - Yeah. - It's not biologicals. It's not, you know, extra-tempestual. It's nothing. It's aliens in lower caps, in lower case. - What year would that have been, curiously, if people would probably figure that one out? Like the online sleuths? What year, right? I'm not asking you. I'm just saying. - Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. - I'm saying what you're doing by allowing that piece of paper to be shown is you're saying help. So did you look at the file structures? There were some that were like high confidence or verified UAP. There was a bunch of names in there. So this one I have, and George has for many, many years, we got to a point where obviously we believe at least that is worthy of public discourse. I can confidently say at this time that that did not get transmitted through unsecure fashions. Okay, so a document like that would come in. - That's an official document. - Like it would be received in a SCIF, on a certain type of line to get it in from a confidential i'm going to say the word with a big c is confidential because i'm not qualified to say the other c word confidential into another confidential area you read in between the lines yeah okay so there we are and then i know that there was a reaction uh in that room and i obviously somebody thought that fake or not fake that it was worthy of possibly um removing that from that confidential place where it comes to a journalist so that's a big risk to take for bullshit yeah that's a that's a crime here now the other side of the yes it is a crime the other side of the coin but not by me sure no no but that's a big risk but that's a big risk that's a crime yeah absolutely it doesn't matter what that is no you you smuggled something out of a skiff so that's real now the other side of the coin is i also know from personal experience not in this case because uh the duration of which i sit on material and bullet test it and go as far as i can and then i can't go any further without compromising things so i get to a point where i have to stop okay the other side of that coin is that i also know not a prank i also know that there is intentional disinformation given to real actual unknowing people in that confidential set passage material okay there we go so for your audience and that that is also real that right this is not passage material so now i am spinning i'm spinning right and i'm like okay this is not passage material but that's two on the nose what's going on i don't understand you imagine that's one page out of many right you'd imagine that there's traceable things like bank account numbers to black programs you'd imagine so if i imagined that so this is not the only piece of paper that was no okay there's a whole other set of files attached to that allegedly and is that is that what we're seeing at the end of this frame here is that like all these other biologics that are in this folder right so there's quite a few yeah cache number four wow cache number four so as time progresses you never revisit a cache unless you have to okay um so as you add to caches um your files grow bigger right so i think i have a little fear in me right now so i'm just i'm i'm not stuttering i'm trying not to stutter so i'm like trying to speak thoughtfully and that's hard for me sometimes what you see is what you get dude from the heart to the mouth no filter but i'm trying to put a your core question is maybe why is that in the movie for what purpose and the other core question is probably do you trust it am i accurate are those two important questions to you yeah i those are both things i'm curious about okay so i trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain i trust that for whatever that means that i know i allowed it to be in the movie because i think it is worthy of public discourse and investigation and i have reached my limit for now and i am hoping that we with the tiny bit that is there we're going to learn what's true and not true about that page is this the biggest release in your opinion that you've been a part of this particular document here do you think i have not been a part of the release of that document you all you see is a page on a movie yes but if this document were to be released if this document were to find its self no no no no there's a lot about to happen really yeah um and not not just i'm not talking about just me and george knapp you know that there's when when i say there is an army of whistleblowers ready to come forward i went on the news and i said there are three firsthand people willing to raise their hands now we can debate all day what firsthand means but when i say there's an army of whistleblowers that's to me an army is is more than 12 it's more than 24 it's you know it's more than 36 um i'm not that's not that's not a that is a true statement that is a factual statement so is this the big no this is just a piece of paper that requires participation with magic with a k does that answer your question yeah it does yeah thanks for sharing that i mean that's obviously going to be you know that just to like get off that last document before we move on fuck it's one of those to me it's one of those things that like you know those old mj12 documents those oh yeah that just read like yeah they're you know the psalm one oh let me back up yeah it's fucking absurd absolutely yes it's silly yeah it's silly it's whimsical the whole you know symbiosis thing was so weird i don't even know what to make of that where i live in california there are people who've spent 30 years plus running companies for disposal aerospace disposal and if you were to infiltrate their ranks you would find out that it is a known thing that there are what they'll call organic and inorganic compounds that have to be driven what's an inorganic compound that can act as like some symbiotic have a symbiotic relationship with humans what do you know about carbon-based life versus other forms of life right but i mean but but even even other forms of life is still organic um cybernetic you know inorganic so you're saying you're thinking you're thinking synthetic like some type of like this is above my pay grade but i'll yeah say this just just we're speculating okay oh speculating like what are we talking about ai robot aliens okay so um they're how the theory goes is that just as we print liver heart cells organs in space which we do um you can print biologics so cybernetic if people have a dictionary because i don't know for sure but cybernetic would be this idea of an um like an organic compound that at its core is like a robot right so an artificial intelligence within a biological bag right so the idea with like the grays or whatever you know people often say so they're like basically manufactured beings right and they're cybernetic so they're they're they're organic to me cybernetic means like wires and stuff because oh maybe it does because they're saying inorganic well that's different we're getting to that but you asked because inorganic means well i don't know not an organism look you do the math what i'm telling you is that there are people that transport from california in and i've seen them these buildings that um are nondescript and they have like high security and you would never know what goes on in those buildings unless you get people that go inside and those people that go inside and full hazmat suits right sometimes they will do a cleanup and they will package it up and now depending on its classification they will then create lists and the lists if it's unclassified material it's a very specific type of thing 3.3 percent this 3.4 percent that i mean everything's listed totally different protocol of classification for other stuff if something is you know top secret or above as we commonly know it um totally different protocol but either way that shit's going inside of trucks it is going to oftentimes most often than not um dugway where they have a special burner and that burner is a non um what is it called uh like it doesn't combustion no um like super hot right um what it does is it's a non like where it permeates out whatever the word is okay um um there's a word a really good word And it basically means that it doesn't leave that containment. So even to the point where you'd crush up the carbon filters and just swallow everything. Like, yeah. So it swallows everything. So it's non-permeating. It doesn't go out. Right. And, you know, you talk to people who have done this for their lives and they're part of this little club and they'll walk in with like a full on hazmat. And where's the bathroom? I mean, it's like right out of a comedy, right? Like, where's the bathroom? And then like people inside, they don't see the sunlight a lot in a lot of ways. You know, they're, they're really, but if you're in there, you must be on the level. Cause if you're on the level, you wouldn't be, if you weren't on the level, you wouldn't be in there. And then they're showing you a fucking sphere that's fucking just hovering. And you're like, how does that happen? You know what I mean? How does that? Whoa, that's pretty cool. Where's the bathroom again? But they just can't stop. They get it off their chest. They can't stop because they don't have a lot of people to talk to that are new faces. Right. Yeah. So then you, you collect this stuff. And then you take it out, let's say to Dugway, um, the town, there's this burner out there and you got a list that doesn't say shit because it's, you know, cause of classification. And you just, you know, you wouldn't really know tons of, you know, all the chemicals you deal with, you know, organic and inorganic compounds, which we'll figure out later. And you take it. I'd be like, well, so what's the deal? What's the deal? If it's a known secret that you are moving, what you're saying are alien elements. I'm not talking like organic and inorganic compounds. We're not talking like rocket fuel that needs to be like, you know, perfectly fixed and, you know, run off from this or that we're talking aliens here. Okay. So if that was true, right, then I'd be like, like, how do you know, like, how do you know that that is true? And somebody would say something like, and I'm, and I'm like, why, like, why is it so harmful other than I get secrecy, but that's not what you're doing. You're doing destruction. So like, why? And they would say something exactly like, because of its ability to alter human DNA. And I would be like in a barbershop, get a haircut, being like, what? Can you say that one more time? So I can verbatim understand that because of its ability to alter human DNA. Kind of like an RNA thing. I don't know, dude. I'm not a fucking smart pants guy. I'm not a smart pants guy. So all that to say is that even within these circles of trust, there is this known thing that humans can't keep their fucking mouths shut. And human beings are the greatest leak to security than any document, photo, image, video. It's always human beings. And there are consequences. There are consequences to speaking outside of school. And sometimes they're covert. Sometimes they're overt. Sometimes they're inert, or they appear to be. You cannot live. You're not free. You don't have freedom. You don't have freedom of thought. You don't have freedom of thought because you don't have freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech, you can't have freedom of thought. And that's what's at stake with the UFO game. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling? Smart move. Another smart move? Bundling. Prices are based on rating plans that vary. It could be chronic migraine. 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox, onobotulinum toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis, or Lambert-Eaton syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious. Side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor. All right, Jeremy. Thank you. We're going to answer some questions from the audience. Easy question. All right. This is part of the membership here. If you join and become a member, one of the many perks that you get is you're able to potentially have one of your questions answered by our guests, which we post in the Discord. And then you can go see that. So the first one here. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you're going to answer this one, but this is a. Neither do I, because I don't know the question. It's a good question. The fuck? Oh. By Gislay says, what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't? It's a great fucking. Did you time that question like Zoltar? I did not. Did you time that? No. Okay. Then I finally got it. I finally get to do my joke on Chris Ramsey, which he'll only be the only one really that understands. All cards on the table, fuckhead. I'm going to risk a Bob Lazar migraine by taking my glasses off. I just. It's going to fuck me, but the lights are bright in this skiff. Okay. No armor. What would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't? That would be clear as day. UAP filmed by satellite that we're doing reconnaissance on adversarial and foreign nations assets. And I don't. I do not have that. In fact, I have nothing. And I've made sure of that. I have nothing. Nothing at home. Nothing on my phone. Nothing on my computers. I have nothing. However, I would love. I would love that smoking gun evidence, which. does exist. I have seen it. I'm talking about a lot of footage, but it is not mine to share. Does it feature a disc, a Tic Tac, a tube? We're talking about a lot of different footage, Chris. Tell me. I. We're not. I don't want to know about where it is. I don't want to know about any. I want to know what is on these videos. Is it a triangle? There are hundreds. Tell me one. No, I just did. You said hundreds. Give me one. No, no. But I did before. So I told you satellite footage, or maybe I'm going back in time, of two discs going by an adversarial nation's ship. Submarines are way more sensitive, by the way, positions. These are discs? Silver discs? They appear to be lenticular in nature. Okay. Not just orbs, not circular. But I mean, look, no one piece. I learned this a long time ago. George Knapp and I released absolute scientific evidence of instantaneous motion. It's the first time in your life, and mine, and the world's, that publicly there's a piece of footage that has precedent, has origin, it has pedigree, and it is military-filmed, and it shows you instantaneous motion. Now, look, I could be wrong one day, and I'm asking the public to bullet test that theory, because our own government believed that that is a display of instantaneous motion. That's the piece that definitely they, you know, whoever the customer is, is going to have the control over. The controllers didn't want out. The others were like, balloon tests, here's this, here's that, here's this, here's that. That one is important, and I think it will be seen that way in history. Or I'm wrong. And guess what? If I'm wrong, so was our entire intelligence community within the United States. And so I feel like I've put pretty good steps forward for people, man, you know? No one piece of footage has ever convinced me, it's the crushing weight of the cumulative footage, and I hope the public gets to see more and better. I'm going to pin you down on this. I want to know more about this footage that you allude to. I've heard people like Lou Elizondo talk about footage. I've heard people in Congress mention it recently, that they've seen footage. What's on, give me five examples. Well, I've given you 13. Well, I want like clear as day. No, no, I've basically given the public with George Knapp 13 assets that you were never supposed to see. But you said clear as day. Those aren't clear as day. Okay. Clear as day. Okay. So let's split another hair. So clear as day. Clear as day to me is Independence Day, like coming out of the clouds. That's clear as day. I'll promise you this. If I ever saw, obtained, and was able to release clear as day, Independence Day, hilarious piece of footage, and even if it's not clear as day, I would release it. George Knapp would release it. I know that, but I just want to know details. Like, okay. Like, what have I seen? it's more about like what the craft looks like because you know i get that there's sensitive areas and then you can't give that up fine i'm resigned to being very okay with you know not you know endangering people's lives by putting out information fine you said you've seen footage yes that is very clear fact i want to know do you see markings on these craft is it that clear no no markings okay i ever seen okay are are you referring to craft that are of the triangular nature well yeah sure there are there's triangles there's tic-tacs there's ovals there's spheres and that you've seen yes you've seen clear hundred percent how clear are we talking are we are we talking craft are we talking iphone footage okay are we like that clear or is it all ir stuff let's split another hair yeah okay so first of all you keep saying craft yeah i don't fucking know that's true sure fine fair no no very fair because um you will see um i hope you will see uh all five observables okay i showed you one georgia i've shown you one clear as fucking day let's let people dissect that first and make sure it is okay um military footage is always going to be through military assets those assets are going to be at best full motion video full motion video is the overlay of a bunch of types of sensors where then it creates for you night or day a clear full high resolution image example the mozo orb yes that's a great high definition image right well okay so that's your barometer so now i'm understanding your yeah color it has texture it has depth yeah so you've got thermal which is heat it's sensing the heat you have i well it's ir but like you think of like green so you think about through yeah so that's like an amplification of light a little bit of heat and then you've got full motion video and then you have sometimes satellites which take something like full motion video so you would say that's clear as day because the capability satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and so what you're looking for is full motion video there's this video sorry to interrupt you but there's this video of and this gets brought up a lot in these discussions and these debates coming in from space no there's this video of a jet sort of fending off a russian attack or something right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see and we're seeing this from an airplane and yet the footage that we get is like uh why do you think that is can you say the words immaculate constellation with me sure yeah okay so why do you think that is um immaculate constellation i'm fucking with you right i i don't know i don't know why and that's part of the question is like why are we getting this grainy infrared you know fmv when there exists footage like this there should be let me walk you through it it's real fucking simple okay so once thing so i i get calls i i got a call for i need to walk you through it if you want to know the answer i absolutely do here we go um so i get calls i get calls i get calls i get calls i get calls from kids and their their one sole job is to look at live feeds of reaper drones and they work at i don't know right patterson let's say it's a good place generic they do a lot of that there and these kids will say to me holy fuck um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point and they're like well check it out um first time in my career i know i'm young but like you know for 10 years i've been you know had this job and this is the first time in 10 years when we saw clear as day your discs ufos and they were doing this crazy fucking shit and there was a whole bunch of them and we we don't know how to classify them what do you write so we debated inside of this skiff for three four hours we finally come up with the designation and we're writing it down and we just want to replay it one more time and for the first time in 10 years you normally can go back in 10 minute chunks 10 minute chunks 10 minute chunks poof it's not there this is a real call in real time almost real time i go back to thinking what matthew brown said if he's telling us the way it is and if he's right which are two different things the way it is is he understands if he's right and he said that we now have sophisticated ways this is the smallest thing he said to extract that data right so that it does right now i'm going to answer your question but go with me here i'm gonna give you one more example real world so during the height of the um drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive critical infrastructure facility that has to do with energy and i'm i got word that there was lifting out of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect footage because you need security at this facility and a pyramid comes up pyramid by triangular by angle of observation pyramid in shape okay like a like a tetrahedron it lifts three-sided pyramid lifts up out of the water rotates i think that's 90 degrees goes over this base and hovers for maybe 10 hours whoa goes back goes into the water and there's what's called the honeywell system okay at this that is used by a department of energy and then the honeywell system sits this file and it's like burning a hole in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we contact fbi because they we see in the papers they they're being stoned they're being stoned and they're being stoned and they're being walled and we say look we have an individual who knows that you're being stoned walled and thinks you need something this person's in agreement that they trust me and george so we better not fuck this up if there's no repercussions he wants to do the right thing for america then you guys in the fbi can we do this dance and finally it's like yes we can do this dance and the second that they said yes we can do this dance and i go for this dance to be done and this is like high high trust that i have yeah with somebody i care about and love understood okay when the agreement is made that footage is doesn't go missing it's taken from that system and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay think about it so where does all why are we not seeing the good footage is your basic question everybody wants to know that why aren't we not seeing the full motion video satellite full motion that's part of it full motion video what you're looking for is fmv full motion video from a satellite high fidelity you call it color day or night doesn't matter color clear a craft let's say a after why don't you see it well george and i have given you thirteen assets what's different about those thirteen assets the number of people that have access to those thirteen assets or whatever is very small for most of it but it gets bigger and bigger when things get when products get delivered in search of answers outside of the intelligence community sure when things get when products get delivered in search of answers outside of the intelligence community sure but that high fidelity shit how many people do you think not only a have visual access to it b would ever break their oath about fucking anything now we're getting a small population c have cause to break it smaller d thinks about breaking it and finally what comes after d A fucking E. Takes the risk, personally, to give that to a journalist who never fucking asked for it. Now we're talking about almost nobody. Yeah, one person. It doesn't matter what you do. I'm saying to everybody, I've never solicited in my life, I'm telling everybody, don't do it. There's other ways the truth can come out. We don't need our government. and our military to figure out the truth. They don't fucking know the truth. And that's the bottom line. Bottom line is, what do you tell people if you don't know? And what if- That's true, yeah. What if you kick a sleeping dog? What happens then? What does the dog do to you? Yeah, bites you. Did that answer your question? Pretty much, in a way. I'm not satisfied, but it answered my question. Well, you don't, Chris, you don't, okay, here we go. You don't see it because there's so many limited people that actually have access to that, that have motivation, then will- No, I know. Why would you leak it out? You eloquently answered that question. I find myself frustrated regardless of the answer. Well, join the fucking club. I know. And I'm not even that frustrated. I'm vocalizing the frustration of people who've come before me. I'm actually, I'm just happy to talk about it, to be honest. A story like that, especially with a floating pyramid, I mean, sure, seeing the actual thing would rock my world, but a story like that, for me, kind of has the same effect. I go, oh my God, like that is- Chris, when people see UFOs for themselves, undeniably, does it rock their world? I would think so. Sometimes it really doesn't, Chris. Yeah, well, sometimes it does. Okay, fair enough. Touché, as they say in sword fighting. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, this is a really good question by Kizan, Kizane. Cool name, Kizane. Thank your mama and papa. God, man, you make me, whenever I see shit you got, it makes me want one. I'll give you the link. What? What the heck? Do you feel there's any information that you or George have kept from each other, or is it all full transparency? We keep stuff from each other to protect one another, seldomly, but assuredly. Cool. Interesting. I would love to ask George that question one day, too. See if he has the same answer. He goes, no, of course not. Because, no, I'm an open book. No. No, I would assume he does, too. You might never even say that. This is one we kind of answered during the podcast, but I thought it was. All the mirrors with a quicksand for some one-one-one said to me. This is by T.H. Perry. They literally say to you sometimes, like some of the intel guys, when they're working against you, they warn you before, and they say, hall of mirrors, man. Nothing is as it appears. How you doing? I hear it. I mean, I'm just like, fuck. What do you do with that, man? Okay, go ahead. What do you think really happened to General McCasland, T.H. Perry? Okay, now we're getting into speculative territory because I know that you can't answer that because you have no idea. But what's your gut say? Well, that he's missing. Yeah. Something bad happened to him? Oh, yeah. If you mean by being murdered, bad? Yes. Yes. I believe he was murdered. I do. And I have cause to believe that. What cause? People that know far more about it than I do, who I trust and shouldn't have mentioned shit to me. That's all I got for you, man. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Let me back up on Caslin. Man, that's a real human, man. Yeah. With real family. And there's a pattern of people disappearing and their bodies being found later. Because exposure oftentimes masks causality of death. And it's fucked up. And there are cases the public doesn't know about. And George and I are on a couple of them. And some of them are older. But it's a pattern. And it's really gnarly. And I will say that there are people who, if they weren't dead, were willing to testify. And they would have testified. And I don't know. Like you would probably. Well, you mentioned that in the movie. I did. That someone. I did. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few people. But a couple of things. In the back of my brain. And I don't know if they're related. But it's horrible fucking timing. Do you feel a sense of, like, personal guilt for that? No, no. I'm not close to those cases. Okay. Personally. And my wife told me, you make your own decisions. And you have to contend with that. You have to wrestle with that. But other people. They have to make their own decisions. And they're full on adults. And they have to contend with that. That's right. So I can't hold that. And I'm not personally close to any of those cases. I've been asked to be close to them. And I don't feel it's right. For a number of reasons. Sure. Well, that's good advice that your wife gave you. I'll tell you that. She's a mystic. This one, I think, is on everybody's mind. So we'll go with this one here. Everybody's but mine or something. Planet Earth. The greatest show in the solar system. Like, cause. Can you tell us more about the claim that the government will falsely say that a craft is slowly making its way to Earth? Oh, shit. This is. Can I say more than I already said? Is that what you're asking? Yeah. You kind of said, you know, that you were told in some capacity that. That a craft would, well, that certain people would alarm us about some impending, you know. I sure did fucking say that in January. Yeah. Back in. Right, right before. Six months before. The Three-Eyed Atlas. Became popularly understood. Yeah. Yeah. Can I say more? So, you know, it really bothers me. I've said more. And I guess I haven't said it. Loud enough or clear enough. So, yeah, I'll say more again. You know. I've already said how I came to that conclusion. I've said it a billion times. I'm not hiding anything about how I came to the conclusion. I am not psychic. I make the joke. I don't know when my coffee pot's going to go off. Even when I set the time. You know, because. I have no predictive ability. The reason I said that. Is because I was pressured for a long time for my mouth to be used for what I considered a false narrative. The false narrative being that there was a craft slowly coming, making its way to Earth. I think they said like 2027 or 2036. You know, leave a big window so everybody has to fucking guess. And if it doesn't happen 2027, then, you know, we have them until 2036. I think that is absolute bullshit. And my cause to believe that. Is the way that I was pressured to be used as a megaphone for that idea by the intelligence community, which I have mapped out everybody connected to that one specific lie to the American public. And I just said it out loud when I was in front of fucking cameras because I can't be, you know, what's the words you used earlier? Acting sincere. I'm just fucking going to say it like. But I said, I told the guy, I don't think you want it in this fucking show of yours. But yet he puts it in. Thank you, Ryan. You know, so. Was the person who told this to you. It's not a person, brother. There's multiple people. Why do you think I would rely on my intuition? Were any of those people ever on this podcast? I have no idea who's on your podcast. Bring out the book. I'd have. No, you know what? Let's not play that game because here's the deal. I already know your question and I'm not overtly. No. To answer your question. But I've heard from other people. Right. That was said over. Same information. Same information. But you have to understand there's a there's a mosaic of people who tried to have influence over me to say that with the same message. The broke down to the down to the point where I have a catalog of seven books that I will not read because I've mapped out the network of people who have who said it. And it's almost as if I could go through my memory and type in a word. Do you think Avi Loeb was. Hold on. Implicated in this as well. It's almost as if I could go into my memory and type in a word and cross reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me. So I know exactly the mosaic of that information. I do not trust it to be actual and real. In fact, I know the origin of at least the mythology, which comes from a 70s classified document. Now, let's back up for one second, which is this. I could be fucking wrong. Right. That's mine and George's joke. Sure. You know, I am adamant. You have a gut instinct beyond a gut. Yeah. Well, a journalistic thing, not instinct, but I would say maybe intuition. This ain't my first rodeo. I've seen this movie before. Now, hold on one second, which is that, you know, I'm really trying to tell people I don't have information that you don't have. But, yeah, I just look. And again. "If I'm wrong, who fucking cares? of my life i would love to be wrong about that because it sounds a lot like what you know you can't help but overlap the sort of blue beam you know narrative that did uh stephen greer has been talking about as well where the government's going to you know fake an impending alien invasion in order to you know take away more rights for the american people um well i mean isn't that kind of what they're doing when when you have people from these agencies who are the government telling you that there's an invasion coming isn't that one step away from faking an alien invasion no but that could also be personal belief based on personal are you saying they believe it i'm leaving open the possibility right that the reason this messaging has percolated to yours and my ears and the public's is because that's a personalized assessment based on the information that they have um it could be that right right i don't know because no one would talk straight about it you know i have straight up asked people and it's all like that weird intelligent shit where they're not saying nothing yeah i'm trying to say something i'm saying nothing and it feels like just passage material i don't know but i would i would tell you this you're never going to be told the truth straight by any government agency and not just because they don't know it because their job is to shape the emerging uap narrative to be able to utilize truth and untruth to their behest that is the goal and what's your goal my goal and what when their goal is to shape the narrative what's your goal oh my goal is to try to dig as deep as i can and find out what the truth is that's my goal jeremy corbell thank you brother friend thank you friend yeah appreciate you and i appreciate you coming here and opening up and and uh yeah wishing you lots of luck and safety and health with uh the rest of your journey hope okay my hope is that this is the last time that i ever have to do an interview where i feel stress and pressure in trying to limit my words man because my goal is to um live a different life now um i don't want to play this game anymore yeah fair enough all right no wishing you all the best thanks brother you