NEW Footage of a UFO out of Area 51 - IPN Live Montreal - UAP Gerb, GSP & Jesse Michels

(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - 'Cause the whole nature of the daughterhood according to the sign here, is to play the theme song. (upbeat music) The first thing he says to himself is man get lost. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Ah, settle down now. How we feeling? (audience cheering) Nice, give it up for West Barker by the way. (audience cheering) - Amazing, glad you guys are out here. Thank you for coming all the way from wherever it is. You came, we met some of you and I know a lot of you travel from outside of the city, you're not all from Montreal. So yeah, thank you very much. It means a lot to both Jesse and I that you came out. - Absolutely, yeah. We met a lot of people from really far away places. - Yeah, there's a lady from Isle of Man, that flew out. I think her name is Elizabeth. Where are you at Elizabeth? Yeah, she's crazy, that's in the UK. There you are. We have a hard time seeing it 'cause of these bright lights. But yeah, it's so amazing to be here, so amazing. Obviously that you guys came out to support the show and also just have a good time talking about the thing that we all love that we're all passionate about. I'm very excited tonight. How you feeling Jesse? - And I would say normally this is a time to come together and talk about something that's normally stigmatized in society and we can talk about it here. It's a safe space, but the president of the United States last night just tweeted and maybe there's some weird ulterior motive distraction thing going on. Who knows? But it doesn't make aliens extraterrestrial life non-human intelligence, whatever you want to call it, any less real. And he tweeted to the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth that he needs to look into it. And it's why, yeah, whatever, on that stuff. But like, you know, it's a wild moment. It's a wild moment. - Yeah, it's absolutely, I mean, a crazy timeline right now. We're Jesse and I last night, we were filming a podcast, a spoiler alert, but we were just shooting a podcast late at night. We went out for dinner. We were like, oh, it's just like record a conversation. And we started talking about, like we literally started the podcast talking about the recent sort of Obama comment on aliens are real. That's my Obama, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. See, they like it. Aliens are real. But-- - They want their money back. - That's either here or there. But he, you know, and then we were both kind of saying, oh, it's kind of funny. It's almost like he's taunting, you know, Trump, because that's how you want to get to Trump. You tell them like, you don't know where the aliens are. You know, he's like, I know where they are. We have all the aliens, right? He's gonna instantly find the aliens for us. It's a very smart play on Obama's behalf. - You made up for it there. - Yeah, thank you. And so we were talking about this and then we, and you know, we were kind of talking about, oh, that's interesting, that sort of through his comment on Air Force One, when he was just kind of saying, like, oh, it's classified information, he basically admitted to aliens being real. Why would you classify aliens if they weren't real? - Yeah, implicitly he was saying that aliens are classified, exactly. And then the crazy thing about the Obama thing is he went into a whole thing about underground, you know, bases at Area 51 specifically, which is oddly specific while seemingly forgetting the name of Area 51. And then that's probably what implicitly Trump is saying is classified. So it's like this hilarious kind of like meme warfare going on between presidents and I'm all here for it. I think it's great. - Yeah, and wasn't it under the Obama administration that Area 51 was a thing? Like, wasn't that like, when that, all that information sort of came out? - It is, and he definitely knows. - He definitely knew what he was talking about. So yeah, we feel like he was, he might have been playing 3D chess. - Yeah, with a podcast clearly, you know, he knew all the questions going in. - Yeah. - And somehow this podcaster expressed total disinterest when he said, they're real. This guy didn't follow up and say, how do you know that, sir? You know what I mean? - Or just like, what? (laughing) Simple question, very simple. Basic journalism. - No, he was locked into full NPC mode. (laughing) - It was a little drill, thank you. Next question, all right. (laughing) Insane way to move. (laughing) So we're talking about this and kind of going back and forth about, you know, this sort of debate that a lot of us have had and these thoughts that a lot of us have had with this administration is Trump going to be the disclosure president. You know, we hear these talks. Even was it Lara, Trump, his daughter-in-law? - Yeah. - Was sort of spouting that she had heard some conversations within the family that like he had, you know, expressed interest in wanting to divulge this information. So it was kind of like culminating, and as we're talking about this, well, what was the last thing we said before we interrupted on the podcast? - I think it was literally something like, well, you know, we're cynical. Like, we don't really need politicians to validate this topic for us. Like, we know it's real. Like, you see, but at the same time, it would be nice to operate in a field that isn't completely stigmatized for the rest of our lives. And like, as we're saying that, you know, we get interrupted with the news. It was crazy. - Yeah, so our friend, Luigi Vendetelli, and another friend of ours who he might see tonight, keep the surprise, but he was there, and he stopped the podcast. Like, guys, you got to see this. And he showed us this tweet, and we read it out loud on the podcast. We have like a live reaction to like us reading, and we're like, what? This is insane. He's saying aliens in an official capacity, saying, Secretary of War and then Pete Hegseth retweets it with like, and he's the Secretary of War, by the way. And he retweets it with like an alien emoji and a saluting emoji. I'm like, what is, what is, what is happening? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, full matrix. Like, whatever timeline we're on is, I think it's epic. - So, yeah, we just thought that that was, you know, and obviously this conversation, instantly, no matter what side you're on of the political spectrum, instantly there is a very clear and present obfuscation of certain files that are being, you know, discovered at the moment. And so, obviously, yes, this might be a play to misdirect, but it's one of those things that you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Now that you've had this call to action publicly, and the public's reaction was so, I mean, it was overwhelming on social media. You see a lot of people in support and in solidarity of this idea, that's going to cater to this guy's ego. He's going to want to go further. So, I do think it's a net positive, and I think you had some thoughts about how this will potentially even sort of help with the Epstein file situation. - Yeah, well, I think it's like the Epstein thing where it's like, it's disappointing, we don't know more, but they telegraphed that they wanted transparency on the thing, and then they kind of flipped when they realized they were probably compromised on a lot of this stuff. But we do know a lot more about it now than we did then, because of people like Thomas Massey and Nancy Mase, and a lot of these people in Congress. And so, the telegraphing of the thing and the official acknowledgement is always going to be the first thing. And then, of course, it's this jagged, messy, annoying, bureaucratic process. But once you get that kind of bolder rolling down the hill, I do think that gets its own kind of momentum. That's going to be really hard to stop. - Yeah, everybody is having their conspiracies come true, except Flat Earthers. (laughing) Yeah, just no luck for those guys right now. (laughing) I hear big puts around the corner, but I mean, it's going to be a while until we get to that other one. But yeah, we're going to talk about this tonight. We got a lot of guests being introduced. I can't wait for you guys to see who we brought out. It's going to be a lot of fun, but before that, something we do in the cities that we're going to be visiting in the city that we visited, which was Austin, is we reach out to you via email after you've purchased these tickets to fill out a sort of questionnaire and to see if maybe one of you wants to share your experience that happened to you. And so you get a bit of a taste of like some local flavor. And (laughing) and see what brand of alien might be in your area. But also, hearing from the community, I think is really important. And I love playing these little recordings at the beginning of the episodes. I think it's important to hear the stories that are not only read in books and in documentaries, but in people like everyone here. So tonight, we've sifted through a bunch of stories. Thank you, everyone, for submitting. Super brave of you to come out and talk about and be willing to get on a stage and talk about this stuff. So, thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Give it up. (audience applauding) So, our first guests are local, and they got a story to share. So, please welcome Frederick and Kiston. Please. Give it up. (audience cheering) (laughing) Here you go. You each have a microphone, if you like. You don't need to use it if you don't have, you can corroborate the story, but I'd love, you're loud enough, she says. I don't think so. Oh, so all. Oh, so all. Bienvenue. Thank you. Oh, Lelton Mung. Yeah, let's give another round of applause to this guy. (audience cheering) Okay. So, first of all, I want to thank you for doing this. Obviously, this is probably like a lot, right? You know, we go from sharing a story with friends of family and, you know, personal story of some encounters. It's not necessarily something you're prepared to like share. So, just the fact that you're here doing this is really, really cool, and everybody's here to support you. So, thank you for that. (audience cheering) So, I got three very, very special experience. I'll start from last year, and we'll go back in time. So, last year, me and Christine, we decided to rent a Mustang, and go out in the desert. Las Vegas, do a little bit of gambling, and go to Rachel to visit the back gate. And as we drive to the back gate, driving, listening to music, we see this freaking disc that shoots across the sky, and it's like, we calculated with Google, we were three miles away from it, 'cause you can see on Google map where we were. So, the thing flies, and flash and disappear, and we have it on video. - Yeah. - And it's in front of the mountain. So, on the video, you can see the hollow around the disc. So, it distort, it's like one of the bests. I'm not a great cinematographer. Like, your production teams, but like I did what I could. Like, as you're not expecting to see anything, and of course, I like, I pan out, but, and-- - That's incredible. So, let me ask you, what time of day was this, roughly? - It's like, middle of the afternoon. - Middle of the afternoon. - After a burger at the little alien place there. - Yeah, yeah. - It's just middle of the afternoon, and that's not the only thing. So, we got this on camera, and we've been trying to find people that are, like you guys, who are like-- - To be able to fix a thing-- - To be able to-- - To be able to-- - Or to like, just like, in an instant, or-- So, we've been trying to find people, but then we get to the gate, okay? And we get out of the car, and we start looking for rocks and stuff, and I raise my eyes, and there's like, this black, trying goal, it's about half a mile. From us, maybe, maybe 50 meters of the ground, it doesn't make a sound. I go to Christine, I'm like, hey, hey, look, look, look. And the thing just went like, and they're superior. And it was, I really didn't film it, it was too much. - Yeah, because if, whether it would have been anything, you would have heard it. Like anybody who's been doing air show, you hear them from miles and miles away. And like, we're not autistic or nothing, but we like rocks. And we're looking at the ground. (laughing) - Amazing. - And collect rocks, so I'm looking for like a specific rock. And for him to have to say, look up, and we were just, we're so stunned there. - Yeah, awesome. - And that you can see the difference with the mountain, okay? - Yeah, right up there. - So you see this, are you, and so, okay. - So many questions, you might be here all night, folks. - This is, so initially you see this thing zooming across. Are you convinced that the thing that you saw initially wasn't the second object as well? - No. - We don't know, we don't know, we don't know. That's the thing is, maybe we'll never know. - And for those of you who don't know, Rachel Nevada is essentially the gates to Area 51. So it's a very popular, touristic sort of hub where people drive up to that gate, storm Area 51, all this type of, it's the last place you can get to without, you know, the Americans shooting you in the head. (laughing) - So we saw that thing, that triangle thing zoom off. And right after that, they have like some kind of sound cannon and they started blasting us, like it's so loud and so crazy. So we just like, got out of there, got in the mask. - Get the fuck out of there. - Get out of there. - Yeah. - Did you just say sound cannon? - Yeah. - Like it. I think it sounded like a alarm. - Like a really loud, yeah, it was like inside of us. - Because you, you, there was a video shared last year about like they were using this at a riot to separate the crowd. Does anybody remember this like video going around and see some heads nodding? Yeah. Were they like split the crowd with this sound cannon essentially to like, and so you think, they were just trying to get you out of the area. - Yeah, but he says it felt like it was inside of him. - Yeah, it was like, that's the resonance. - It startled, so your heartbeat raised so fast. You're not expecting to be like, and we were like high on adrenaline from seeing these two things and you know, it was crazy. So that's our, and those were two different things. - Yeah. - We saw it in the sky three miles away and when we were at the gate, we saw it like half a mile away and it zoomed off. - Did you think they were the same? - It's hard to say on, on the video, if you zoom in and you look at it, it's a disc. - Okay, but then it's a triangle in the second. - Can we, it's hard to say like it, it's hard to say. - I'm very excited right now. This is all very stimulating to me. I don't know if anyone out there is also riveted by this. (crowd cheering) Sick. - Okay. - He's got more also, but what I want to do as well, maybe after we're done, if you want to go this way and maybe just in backstage or Yoni, they can maybe have you airdrop it to them, and then maybe we can plug it into one of these TVs that's here. (crowd cheering) And you know, the screens are not that big, but maybe we'll be able to see what you see and then obviously, you know, I'll take a deeper look later on. But yeah, thank you for sharing that. That's incredible. - So I've been with Christine for six years and the experience is prior to that and she's like, what kind of UFO nuts am I dating, I guess? But anyway, I was hoping that she's get to see something and she got to see something in the desert. In 2012, I was driving just up north in the Laurentian and this-- - What town? - Prevo. - Okay. - So I'm driving in Prevo and there's a car in front of me and it's winter time about this time. And this car size, really bright blue thing flew, like real little to ground past us. And I was like, oh wow, okay. And the car in front of us stopped, I stopped. And I'm like, did you see this? And he's like, yeah, if I ever saw a flying saucer, that was it. So, so I'm like, okay, I called 911. (crowd laughing) I'm like, yes operator, there's something that went in the sky that's really unusual and that just stayed like that. And the next morning, there was two big black helicopters hovering in front of my house and around the city looking for something. So that told me that crash retrieval is probably something for real. - Wow. - So, this is what year? That's probably 2012, 2013. - Wow, I'm thinking of Luigi right now. He was, he's somewhere in the audience, but he'd be interested in that as well 'cause that was around his time looking into, looking into some phenomenon in that specific area, which is really interesting. - And also, when I was a kid, about, I was seven years old in 1985, I think. I got really freaked out about, I guess, a dream or something, about big eyes, big bright light and long fingers, okay. And it stayed with me and you know that book communion, the face there when I saw that for the first time, I was freaking out. And I got freaked out by it since my young adulthood. And my parents remember after I got freaked out by this, there was in the snow, there was a big circular thing by my house, like a big imprint. in the snow and my mom recalls something also my dad but the weird thing about this is that if you don't mind Jesse, if you can just feel my hair right there. Can you feel it? A little lower. There you go. Right there. Yeah, squeeze it. You see that there's something in his ear. Okay. Whoa. Yeah. So I got kids. I got kids and I was full and raw with magnets. Just full and raw magnets. And yeah. Okay. This is crazy. Yeah, these are just magnets. I can. By the way, this submission was given to us like a few hours ago. Yeah, literally. We had no idea. You got to find the sweet spot where the mac. Hopefully it works. Sometimes it takes a little bit or I got all that. What's crazy? It's this it's the same place that with the streamer. See which you know, you say you were inspired by communion. Yeah, I felt his and it's I think in the same spot. It's very close. Can I try to connect it? I mean, maybe I'll yeah, do you need any help? I can solve this one, honey. Whoa. Whoa. So yeah, it's probably nothing. That's a mic drop. Wilds. Fred, can I call you Fred? Fred, that's wild. This is so interesting. There's so many questions that I have here, but you know, it's almost like, I don't know, maybe you can talk to this too, but like once an experience or always an experience or like, there is this part of the phenomenon that seems to re-occur. It's never like a soul phenomenon. And even if that is just another sighting or another two sightings, like sightings aren't that common, you know, and for you to drive up to Rachel Nevada and broad daylight for them to be doing some weird test flights, it seems improbable to me. So I don't know what it is you saw there. And then this other witness corroborated sighting that you had with a phone call to 911 and then obviously, you know, this childhood stuff. I mean, at what point in your life did you start taking an interest? Was it reading that Whitley book for the first time? Was it seeing the cover? I think I was always aware of the vastness of the universe somehow. And I always knew there's like lots of life out there, but that they come to visit us. I don't know. I guess that childhood experience really stuck with me. And the fact that we got like two sightings, we got another one, two, I think last summer. It was a norm. So a big bright orb. It's not much to make of it. And Christine, like when you met him, were you skeptical? Like, how did you feel? Like, what was your conviction level of this stuff before and after meeting him and then before and after having that sighting? I'd be curious to know. I don't know. It's not skepticism for sure. I guess I've always had that, like, naïveness of believing, like, not blindly, but like, there's always a critical thinking. Like, I guess that's your consciousness. I respect your beliefs. And the more, I'm like, but I'm going to stick with you. Because if I'm going to have that chance to see an alien or anything, a phenomenon, it'll be next to this, for sure. Yeah, I might start hanging around. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes I'll just go next these years and I'll pinch it. I'm like, hello, are you well, you guys doing the bedroom? I don't want to. No, seriously, you guys are so, so awesome for doing this. I want to stay in touch. So I'll get your contact information. I do want to learn more about these cases. Jesse, do you have any other questions here? I do. I want to know if you have any hypotheses as to what this implant might be used for. You have, like, Whitley has a sense of, you know, the function that it serves in his life. And I think for him, it's a very important one. Do you feel that? Okay, yes, I do actually. For the longest time, when I got to accept this, it was about, like, biologists, you know, tagging penguins and Antarctica. Well, I'm the penguin kind of thing. But after learning a little more about it, I feel that sometimes I do get downloads, I get ideas, like, we have business together and sometimes I feel like got it from, I don't know if it's from that or what. I don't know, but I feel it helps me in my life. Is there anything that comes to mind that's particularly striking where, you know, changed your life? Like, I don't, I've hardly ever met in my life anybody who can manifest in that it becomes a reality like this guy. Yeah. Interesting. And subconsciously, completely subconsciously, like, to the point that I got to tell him, like, what's your words? This is like, yeah. Yeah. So cool. It's wild. This last December, I went to Titu Wakhan in Mexico, the Big Permanent, and I went there to trying to, trying to see if I could connect it to the Wi-Fi or something. Does it move around? You know, Whitley has this thing where he tried, he tried to remove it and it, like, moved around in his ear. Is that true with you, too? I don't think it ever moved around, but if I put the magnet on it, it does something. I can feel it. It gets tingly. I can't leave the magnet on for too long. And one time I put the magnet on and the magnet kind of snapped in half and went off. So that's kind of weird. Did you ever consider getting an X-ray and, like, checking it out? Well, actually, if you take a flashlight and you flash it in, you see there's, like, two little rods in there. Oh, there's cylindrical. Kind of, yeah. Two little, like, lines. Would you be open to getting an X-ray? I guess, so, yeah. Yeah, okay, let's think it happened. I'd like that. I'd be curious. If you're open to it, yeah. Cool. Is there a doctor in the house? Scalpel. And here's another question about the, about the implant. And this is something actually we talked about today. We touched on together where you're kind of discussing this because we thought the phenomenon was interesting. If you had the opportunity to take it out, would you? I used to want to take it out. But now I think it helps me in my life. I want to keep it. That's what everybody says. Yeah. We were talking about this. We thought, how strange this phenomenon of, like, these implants? We've talked to a lot of experiencers and read a lot of the cases. And not only is the tech evasive, but the people are also seen to be evasive in wanting that procedure. And the biggest answer is that, A, you know, don't fix what isn't broken. Like, there's a reason it's there, whatever that is. And then, B, they feel that it helps them in some way. This is, this is not a new idea. So, yeah, interesting. Interesting. All right. Well, listen, you guys have been absolutely stellar. I am. Yeah. Thank you. It's amazing. Guys, enough nerve-wracking at all. Give it up. Perfect. I can kiss in. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you so much. Thank you. You can take the water, if you like. And you can leave the mics there. And if you guys want to just go backstage, yeah, we'll get the video off you and we'll try to play it after. Okay. Thank you. All right. Wow. I hear all the murmuring and the hushing. It's interesting, right? And this is, this is one of those things that I find so interesting as well about, you know, researching this stuff is that if you're new to the subject, you, you know, the, I guess, where you look is very spread out and everybody has an opinion about things. But the more you scratch the surface, the more people you talk to, and the more you read, the more you find that these things are pretty common. Yep. And the stories are connected, overlapping, and these people are just like everyone else. They're just normal people. They're not, you can tell by just the vibe that, you know, and I think if you, You don't look into it enough. You dismiss it out of ridicule. All of this whole subject, but the second you start talking to people, you realize, oh, these are kind, you know, normal, truthful people who are just sharing their experience. And it's amazing. 100%. Yeah, they were so awesome. And simultaneously, you also see how, you know, in Brad's case, he is the common thread. Like the likelihood of those, you know, experiences that are high-strangeness by most accounts happening to one person over, you know, a long period of time, it's clearly, he's clearly attracting this sort of stuff. And I find that fascinating too. And to be a deeper cut on what the phenomena is, is it's, you know, based on the individual. What do you categorize that as? Like if you, especially the Rachel Nevada one, I feel like that. That one's super, super interesting. I mean, the low-flying craft with the corroborated witness is really interesting too. And as is the, you know, sort of alleged, I said, proposed abduction perhaps, or something there, the experiencer thing, but the Rachel one, I think, is really interesting because it happens, I mean, on that range. Well, and it's a, to me, it's such a clue as to like what we're talking about with the phenomena, because that's basically at Area 51. And so you could assume, because it's at Area 51, that it's like some deep black military program or whatever, but it's happening to him. And so the fact that it's happening to him, again, given the history, makes you realize it's, it's probably not, I mean, it's probably like actually not from here. Yeah, not so much a synchronic, not so much acquaintances, but like a synchronicity. Totally. And Area 51 was built specifically at the Nevada test site, where there were more nuclear detonations in the United States, more tests than anywhere else. And so if you think about where you get these sort of trippy portals of activity, it's places like that. And so I don't think it's actually coincidence that Area 51, where we do house all these like, you know, spooky defense assets, is co-located there. I don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah, super interesting, man, I'm completely fascinated by things like this, especially experiences who are very credible and who seem to have a repeating sort of experience. And the experience doesn't necessarily repeat in the same way, it's just kind of like the phenomenon itself is sort of amorphous or amorphous and following the experience. And we hear about this a lot, which makes, which makes it to a lot of people who hear these stories sound less credible. But to researchers, we actually think, oh, this might be, there might be more credibility to this, to his first sighting if he's having other phenomenon happen, because that seems to be the case. 100%. You have these sort of super experiences, as you might call them, where they just seem to attract the thing over and over again, and it's fascinating. Yeah, it really is, and I mean, you know, that's the other thing is like, I could spend the whole evening interviewing a lot of people in this room, because those stories were fascinating. And a lot of them are, you know, personal accounts, we had some, we read some NDE accounts, you know, of near-death experiences, and what they experienced through that, whether it's connecting with entities. There was another lady in the crowd, I forget her name, but she also was, I think we reached out, but we didn't get a response when she was talking about when she was a child, she was at camp, and she was following this light in the forest, and then sees this lady, made of like sparkling light, and it was illuminating the things around the camp that she could clearly see with her eyes. So it's like, all sorts of incredibly strange, but incredibly personal testimonies that I'm very happy that you guys were willing to share with us tonight, so thank you once again. I was going to ask, do we have the tablet of the Q&A back there, oh it's here, I got to hear it, my bad. We did ask you guys to ask some questions, I know there was like some problems with like some type of password at first, so we had that fix, and a lot of you responded those comments, and I want to, I want to answer as many of these as we can, so I'm going to periodically sort of sift through and randomly just sort of like prompt one of these questions, and we'll get through as many as we can tonight. All right, yeah, easy one here, I like this, seat number 24, we got Mr. Murphy here, who says, what the hell is going on with Anne Artica, and why, and why is it Aliens? No better person to ask about that than this guy right here, so please, Jeze. Oh man, I mean, it's such a, it's hard to know exactly what's going on with Anne Artica, but something weird is definitely going on with Anne Artica. You have Operation High Jump in 1947, which is a, you know, documented account of Admiral Richard Bird, who takes this large American fleet down off the coast of Patagonia, Argentina, going towards Anne Artica, obviously Hitler had a longstanding interest in Anne Artica. His kind of like nominal reason for that was there were like butter rations for the war, and Anne Artica was a source of margarine, which makes absolutely no sense. We have, you know, like the US has defense contractors, they're like Raytheon has stuff going on, there's a guy named Eric Hecker, who says that there's a neutrino detector and a metter that caused the Christ church earthquake, which is, you know, I don't know what to make of that, really crazy. And then you have Linda Moltenhow, of course, do you want to, do you want to tell that story? Do you, you know, I'm not too familiar with the story, but I know I know she wrote a whole, well, she wrote a whole book about it, but she also documented the entire thing as she went there on a solo mission to kind of find out what happened, but she, she told me the story in person at a contact in the desert. It was a couple of Navy guys, they go underground, and it's this kind of like Nordic, and it's been hypothesized that they're actually like geothermal vents, where the temperature in Anne Artica is like completely livable. So it's a very interesting place, and it was made in No Fly Zone in 1957 as part of the international geospatial year in this very weird sort of way, where, you know, I don't quite know why it was made in No Fly Zone. And it was, that was a year of actually record UFO, there was a lot of UFO activity from '52 to '57, it seems to stop in '57 very, very strangely, and, or, you know, go down obviously, it continued, but, and then, and then all of a sudden Antarctica is just this No Fly Zone internationally. Yeah, very strange. Yeah, it's, that is strange. I think that's probably one of the most important facts about Anne Artica, it's like we, you know, our enemies, sort of Russia and China, and we're kind of like in this sort of like cold AI war, whatever, we don't really know what's going on, but one thing we can all agree on is no one should go to Anne Artica. Like there's, they're all part of this treaty, and we can all agree, set our differences aside, no one is allowed to go there. Like that, for me, is, is a really curious thing. It's, it's weird. Yeah, if it was just America, I mean, like you can't go here, I'd be like, all right, Americans being Americans, but if, if it's every, you know, all of these nations together agreeing, finally, like on something that we all should not go visit this place, I think that's interesting, to say the least. Yeah, it's very interesting. And then to get one step wackier and weirder, you obviously had this longstanding interest of the Nazis in like the, you know, the Thule society and the Ananerbe and these kind of esoteric borders and Theosophy and Anthroposophy and, yeah, they're exactly, they were in a Madame Blavotsky who had these, in sort of esoteric world root races. And so you have the Hyperboreans, the Lemurians, the Atlanteans, and, you know, obviously they had extremely racist ideologies. And I think identified with these Hyperborean people that were like living possibly in Antarctica. Yeah, exactly. They were the Atlanteans even. Or the Atlanteans. They were like blonde, blue-eyed sort of, you know, tall figures that we tend to associate with the Nordics. And so, yeah, there's definitely a connection to be made there. And then you have all these Nazis ending up in Argentina. Like you have all these, you know, German beer towns there that, you know, came from that kind of emigration. Yeah. I don't know. A lot of loose threads. Yeah. How long did it take? It took, it didn't take too long before we got to Nazis. Not too bad. We'll hit all the bingo cards tonight. You want to introduce our first guest? Okay. We have the unofficial historian of the UFO Legacy Program, a man who knows basically the entire org chart of how these UFOs are collected and crash retrieval programs, reverse engineered. He is an absolute just well of information. The information density of this guy is just, we're so lucky to have him give it up for UAP Gurb. I was going to say they got to him. They finally took him. They got him. I knew it was going to happen. Welcome, Sam, UAP Gurb. How you feeling? Beautiful theater. It's great to be here. Thank you guys so much for having me. Yeah. It's our honor. What a beast. You know, Gerb's been hanging with us in the last few days and he was actually there last night when he was the one who, during our podcast, interrupted it so graciously and glad he did with this tweet from Donald Trump talking about, you know, how they're going to start looking at aliens, UFOs, ET's, UAP, the whole thing. And I thought it'd be really interesting to get your take from inside because obviously as this happens, it sets forth in motion these cog wheels, right? And something I joked about yesterday, I'm like, there's probably people throwing tarps over tic-tacs right now and like shoving bodies in the back of the freezer, like we got to hide this shit, you know? So what knowing how, sort of the, you have this mapped out vision of the program, knowing how that works, what do you think that sets in motion? What type of effect does that have on the current program, do you think, in your opinion? Well, first of all, the story of how both Luigi Vendettili and myself interviewed the podcast was pretty funny because we saw the tweet and we were kind of talking about it off in the corner while you and Jesse were recording. So we were kind of nudging each other, hey, how do we approach this? How do we approach this? And like, too idiot, it's not known what to do. We just stood right off camera by you guys for like two minutes before we finally butt in. I, so polite, so it's interesting to me, it's definitely a big step including, you know, Pete Hegseth and immediately Burleson, Rep Maze, the White House automatically start retweeting this statement by Trump. As far as affect on the program, as of now, I'd be hesitant to think that the legacy programs are throwing tarps over tic-tacs or sealing up entrances to sub-training facilities or possibly bearing some sort of craft that are enormous or some sort of, I think if anything, there'd be a reassessment on historical records held. Like something we chatted about last night is, and this is something Dylan Borland said in his testimony, you know, you could look at old Atomic Energy Commission records held within DITRA, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. That concluded some UFOs were of non-human origins. So ideally, I'd want to see quick movements to try to get records like that, sensitive classified records, and so legacy programs cannot destroy such things. So you think right now what they're doing is like bonfires and shredders, and they're like, they're probably getting rid of a lot of paperwork is what you're saying, because that's where it starts. Well, that's what they should, but you also have to think, I would think it relatively reasonable that the legacy programs structure, at least certain legacy programs, would have kind of safeguards in place for maybe a rogue precedent or a turncoat precedent. So it's going to be an interesting couple of weeks, especially if we actually do see follow-up on this, which that's going to remain to be seen. So what's the next logical step for you? You're in charge of the program at this point, they've elected UAP Gurb as the, I don't know, Senator of UFOs, I don't even know the Tsar, whatever you want to call it. And they're putting you in a position right now, and they're like, go team, go, unlimited budget. What do you do? What's the first thing that you do? And, you know, maybe we'll wait to put out this podcast, not to signal to whoever's hiding shit. What it is they're going to do, because they're listening. But what would you do? So like if I'm on the side of transparency and good, or I'm on the side of legacy programs. Oh, that's interesting. Because if I'm on the side of transparency and good, and I have all this budget, I think the thing you need to do to get legacy programs, UFO crash-tribal reverse engineering programs under control, is not just brute force of disclosure, but instead figure out a way to transfer oversight of the programs back under traditional oversight channels. That means the programs once again serving the American people, serving the Congress, serving the government, and not these rogue breakaway programs that answer to random deputies within the Secretary of Defense and random agencies tucked away into private pockets and so forth. So you need to find enough people within the programs to be able to turn or trade up against their superiors and turn those and get kind of a rising tide of people within the legacy programs that would adhere to a shift of oversight. And you've got to give them the carrot or the sticks. You got that? Take notes, all right? This guy, man, his brain is different, I tell you. But Sozier is Jesse, and I want to hear your thought as well into do you believe that restructuring sort of oversight into these different official channels is the way to go with this type of information, or because there is a whole other camp of people who believe that immediate action and storming these deep underground military bases, you know, and just revealing this stuff is the play here, what's your take on that? I kind of like what David Grush said when I interviewed him where he said, you know, in the nuclear world, you have nuclear trade secrets, which are like, you don't want a kid to be able to blow up the world from his bedroom, right? You don't want certain off-the-shelf components, you know, turned into weapons, you don't want things that are, you know, made mass accessible that could be extremely destructive, you know. And then obviously national security, you know, is a consideration. Having said that, you have nuclear physics taught at every school in, you know, Canada, the US, you know, anywhere you are. And that should be the case with this, like the government has no say over whether we should, you know, have access or don't have access to ontological truth to, you know, metaphysics and physics and like how reality works. And if they're hiding any sort of asymmetric data on that that doesn't fit into the buckets I just mentioned, it should be immediately public used in civil side infrastructure to make our cities better, to make our lives better and so yeah, that should be the case. And then do you think we have that? Do you think they have that or are they still trying to figure that out? I do think we have that. I mean, you know, I think, you know, you mentioned Dylan Borland who talks about the power source of the UFO being, you know, the most important, I think maybe Jeremy Corbyl kind of inferred that from the interview. I've done a lot of research on this mid-century inventor named Thomas Townsend Brown. [laughs] Take a shot. 22 minutes on the job. And I'm just like, the amount of smoke around this guy, literally, and you know, I say his name ad nauseam in it, I know it's a running joke, but it's like, you literally like think about the logical implications for a second of what we're even saying with the experiment and he's like experimentally like unifying the field. Like it's literally like a stepwise leap in physics and you can create, you know, gravitational perturbation or lift with electromagnetism, which was, you know, is not a thing. You need chemical combustion, which if you think about our current, you know, space travel, most of the fuel in any rocket is the payload of the rocket itself. It's literally like the mass of the rocket. And so it's extremely inefficient, like you can't go in or stellar with it. And there's no real arguments against that. It's like the basic first principles physics. So yeah, I do. Thank you. Yeah. No, great answer. I do see the other side of it, though, where any of these sort of greater truths that lead to physics, you know, breakthroughs could also be argued that they could be weaponized in some way. Is that fair, is that a fair argument, though? Yeah, it's somewhat fair, but it's like the, I think the gaslighting needs to stop. And like, who's the arbiter of that, and then be like, look at where the world is headed now. Like everything with fuel and that blows stuff up is headed towards the Middle East right now, coming from the U.S. It's wearing a really scary, weird time, right? And given that, you got to throw the Hail Mary. You know, I think, again, this is not knowing the exact U.S. implications of some of these things. But like, I don't get the sense, because I poke the bear a lot, like, like, Gerb does on the program stuff, I think I do on the kind of science stuff. I don't get the sense anybody's even thinking about this, even making the calculation. Like, oh, is, you know, China or Russia at parity with the Western world or whatever. Oh, if they are, maybe you let this stuff out. I seriously don't even think there's, like, decision making framework around this stuff, which is insane. Yeah. Huh. All right. I think we figured it out. All right. Well, Gerb, let me ask you this. You're inside the program now. You're sort of MJ1, you're this, you know, overseer of all the secrets and keeper of, you know, the most guarded technological advancements mankind's ever seen, what is your reason for keeping in a secret? What is your number one reason for keeping in a secret? Because it seems to me, and this is an argument I heard recently, which I thought was really interesting, but it's almost like a secret for secrets sake. Like, they're so used to keeping this secret that, like, it'd be harder logistically to just let it out. They would cause such a hellstorm of a paperwork nightmare that, like, they would just keep the secret for secrets sake. Or do you think there is some other, you know, real truths that, you know, we're guarding? I probably think it's a combination of both. For one, as far as what I understand about UFO crash retrieval in reverse engineering, programs. How they exist in the modern day, the onset and makeup of programs is so siloed and so compartmentalized and so scattered into the wind. There's not one general consensus on program direction and so forth. So all of these programs have in the past take advantage of special access programs, secrecy reforms to kind of hide themselves and morph to sap security structures and hide under program offices and hide under program executive officers and so forth. But if we're traveling back to like the match 12, which most likely existed under Eisenhower and the 5412 committee and on to the 303 committee for a while and then maybe disappeared in the time of sap reforms and so forth. I do think kind of like what Jesse said with Grush about nuclear trade secrets, Dave Grush said at the best here that the reason for these programs is feudalistic dominance and asymmetric warfare advantages. If we're thinking about the modern day structure of legacy programs starting about 1947 with Roswell, even though maybe they do go back before that, the World War II just ended. The Cold War has just begun. There's rising tension with the Russians. We're setting up the lash up radar arrays all throughout the southwest United States to test new nuclear weapons and nuclear secrets and suddenly a craft crashes with small bodies that aren't human. It's obscenely frightening and immediately what sort of leverage what sort of leverage of technology can you gain from both the beans and the craft. And you know possibly there are some other weird secrets out there that certain elements of the programs don't want out. You know I'm not really read into the sub well into the subject of abductions or like the hybridization stuff people talk about. But maybe there really is some creens to put to like a red scare 2.0 if there is revelations of non-human intelligence among us that you know people might start suspecting their neighbors or weird hybrids. Who knows? Yeah or maybe they're on this stage right now. Yeah that is interesting. I mean that would shock the world I think and you know there is the argument the age the age old argument of like oh it's just going to tip the scales and everybody's going to go panicking running in the streets and burning down buildings, stock market will crash like all that stuff but you know as we get closer to the truth and as more people are accepting some of this due to you know podcasts like the ones we have and other people out there and documentaries that are being made as for the Bob Azar story like these yeah these these documentaries that are coming out are paving the way for sort of reducing that stigma globally and making it okay to just chat about at the water cooler and I think that that ontological shocking truth doesn't really apply as much as it did in the 50s and so I find it hard to argue I think that's like again like an old argument that just doesn't really like nowadays if I told like yesterday Trump tweeted we're going to look for aliens in a week from now if he doesn't follow up everyone except you know the people in this room are going to move on they're just going to be like yeah it doesn't matter what's next what's going on now what's you know how's what's my sorry stuff too and like what's the you know I don't know you know it's like what's the next thing and like aside I got to say from the Epstein files and I think that's good that we don't let that one go I think that and everyone's done a great job just like pushing that in people's faces and not letting it go and I I think we just need to apply that energy to what's happening also with UFOs yeah Jesse do you have any questions for our friend Gerb here? yeah so there's obviously a big documentary called The Age of Disclosure and you know it was you know number one on Amazon Prime and stuff and they kind of present a specific narrative when it comes to the UFO legacy program what did you think about that documentary do you take it at face value or do you think there's something else going on so yeah if you're talking about the Age of Disclosure and the legacy program singular and monolithic the documentary painted out I think that's absolutely bullocks and a total purposeful misdirection by select characters in the in the program in the documentary now some people have kind of lost out at me and said hey these guys are former counterintelligence and government agents how do you know more than them and I've never been read into any of these programs I don't of course I've never worked in them I do think I have a keen understanding of at least some legacy program structures and the documentary presented the crash retrieval portfolio no discussion of exploitation reverse engineering but this crash retrieval portfolio existing essentially under the head of the CIA's directorate of science and technology the DS&T has become infamous in UFO lore as of late with deputy directors of the DS&T including Glen Gaffney Doug Wolf Dawn Myricks and so forth being involved in the programs under that according to the documentary are three elements on an equal plane field and that's the department of energy prime contractors like North of Grumman Raytheon Lockheed Martin and then the Air Force I think this is a a perfect example of characters in the documentary wanting to delegate who catches the live hand grenade for example the question must be asked why isn't the National Security Council painted as the head of this top down legacy program structure right here because there you go you have James Clapper in the documentary Dave Grush recently went on Megan Kelly said James Clapper was not only aware of the issue but also ran the crash retrieval issue with his PDD and I Stephanie O'Solivan under the Obama administration so and of course he's in the documentary and of course Clapper had a close relationship with Elizondo so it's very strange I want I also want to let him cook guys cooking right I want to ask you just for context for the audience because you said you weren't you know you didn't have any access to the programs themselves but you really are kind of as close to the metal as it gets on the civilian side how many people have you personally spoken to who have worked on craft or seen bodies and I want you to split those up so how many who have worked on craft and how many have seen you know alien bodies at this point individuals who have claimed to be involved in the legacy programs near a dozen and and I'm referencing a dozen of the people I have very high conviction and of course more have like tried to reach out to me or something my rule of thumb is I don't really talk or hear about people who reach out to me with wild claims all of these near 12 individuals I'm talking about here I've spent up to two years trying to track down and bet so you know recently in an Air Force project I talk about something that's referred to by people in the programs as the hidden wing which is ostensibly a UFO test and evaluation program within the Air Force that focuses on UFOs of non-human origin alien reproduction vehicles and derivative technologies human made airframes featuring one or more components of NHI technology and this individual there I have 50 60 70 of his military documents met with him numerous times in person know the people he worked for worked under and so forth so that's the kind of diligence I try it so okay just to be crystal clear here the people that you've met you've hunted down you don't accept people coming in with information that is automatically read flag number one you are finding these secret programs and these tests you know sort of departments that do these the trippy tests with like UFOs and whatever and you're seeking out these people and over a course of a few years what do you do you befriend them you you write them how do you how do you like you just contact them you reach out you should you knock on their door like what's what's the yeah what's that dance look like well I try and be rather direct a good example of that directness as Brad Sorenson you know the 1988 flux liner case and I had to kind of learn some hard lessons there because I email him saying like hey you know I really understand the testimony of the late Mark McCandlish I'd like to meet you in person maybe we can talk a little more and I immediately got death threats back saying you're never going to see it coming you and your family are never going to see it coming so I had to learn some hard lessons there to be a little to play a little bit of a song and dance so now when I meet people I'll be a little direct not super direct I'll usually approach them from a not a not a cell phone line that that's my direct line or email them or write them and after time start to understand them as a person and then I'll usually try and go visit them or see them in person here their testimony get their military documents try and understand their testimony in the larger grand scheme of what I understand to be an accurate or semi accurate layout of legacy program structure and work from there and then you're so your videos and if you've never seen any of UAP Gurbs videos go check them out they're incredibly informative they're very dense obviously as you can tell by you know how you know how he's speaking about these programs is incredibly knowledgeable but I think what's interesting is that all of these people that he's talking to these are individuals that seemingly have no communication with one another they're from different departments different states and he is piecing together what this legacy UFO program this crash retrieval program that's been existing since you know early 1900s has been doing through the testimony of these people he's been able to accurately create a chart of what's going on where these UFOs go what we do when we reverse engineer them where the components go what privatize corporations or government contractors are partaking and all this and it's such a web a complicated very dense web of confusing compartments and names but you do such a good job of like parsing through all that information and piecing it together so first of all I want to commend you on like all of your work because it's really it's hard it's hard to understand yeah And then, secondly, what's happening now because of this is that you are meeting with people who won't necessarily come forward. A lot of these people won't ever come forward. You might get a deathbed confession is like the best you can hope for. And so, obviously, we have to just rely on second-hand testimony from yourself. But I do want to bring it back to Jesse's question because I think you were a little evasive. Bodies. I want to know about the bodies. What's going on? How many of those people, specifically, how many, if you count your head, had said that they seen either live or deceased, non-human entities? I'd say probably three, yeah, three. And what conviction level are you that what they're saying is true? Pretty darn high, especially down to some of the locations where these bodies might be stored, kind of hidden in plain sight in some scenarios. You know, it's not going to be in the underground facilities under Area 51. It's going to be a nondescript place as a business that one might not necessarily expect. And I do find there to be tremendous value in those statements. I do a tribe credibility to them, really. That's really interesting. It is interesting. So, like, you're saying these bodies are not in some, like, vat, 19,000 feet underground. They're hiding in what private, privatized places, like places that are not military. Maybe some, like, gray warehouses that I'm sure you could track a shell LLC to another shell LLC to another shell LLC, and just find a really weird chain of command through. Are we talking grays, what sort of bodies are we talking about? Yeah, yeah. As far as the bodies, the one common thread from these three people are small beans of, you know, pale-ish, grayish, skin, wraparound, almond ice, just kind of the classic thing. Like, I attribute very high probability to, like, the gray alien, as it's known. Did they say anything about the bodies that stood out to you, as far as any of the physiology, number of fingers? Is their blood red? One of the most powerful ones for me is Jonathan Wagant, of course, who I got to know very well. One of the interesting things about his testimony is he talks about a body of a non-human, and he's not one of the three people, by the way, but this is just reminded me of it. But when he observed a crash for people in Peru in 1997, he discussed seeing almost like an arm blown out of a hatch, and this arm was grayish and in color. I think three or four fingers, I can't quite remember. What's interesting about Wagant's testimony is, for years afterwards, he was essentially visited by these beans he observed in his dreams, and again, the classic gray shape. No talk of tall whites, Nordics, mantids. No, and that's not, that's not like trying to discount those. That bury pretty well, maybe real. Yeah, I really wanted those, ones to be, to be, I still think they're a thing, but whatever, it's neither here nor there. They could be a thing, just not in cryogenic chambers, in garages, or maybe they're just like, they know how to fly the craft better, I don't know, they're just better drivers. What about, okay, this is a fringe one. What's your conviction level on like a reptilian thing? I know it sounds weird, but the more I look into this stuff, the more I hear information about this. And obviously, it's been around for a while. You got David Ike right in, you know, the original sort of like books on it. I've read through some, you know, shady, but highly entertaining documents online with the little certifiles, but my conviction level grows over time as I hear. I speak to people too who tell me interesting things about these things. What's your gestalt on that? I mean, I've heard some interesting stories about reptilian style beans from people I trust very much, but I don't have any direct exposure or specific incidents. But people you trust, are these some of the people you sought? I don't think so, okay, because I don't want to claim anything wrong there, but I don't think so. Okay, fair enough. All right. It's a maybe on the reptilian. It's good enough. It's where I'm at with them, too. Fair enough. Yeah, really interesting. What's that? Somebody just said Erica Kirk. I can see it. She's something. Yeah, yeah. I can definitely see it. Definitely reptilian tendencies, I would say personality-wise, highly reptilian, very limbic. Yeah, interesting, man. So out of these people that you're currently, I suppose you're still speaking to a lot of them? Yes. How many are you in active communication with? Five, I'd say, right now. Five people. And these people have all had firsthand experience with either tech, UFOs, or bodies, or all three. It doesn't seem to be all three except for a rare instance, kind of like we're talking about with the compartmentalization of the programs. I think it's relatively rare that biologics would cross over with recovered craft or craft derivation outside of actual UFO crash retrieval encounters. What's one point of connection that you found with these people that you've spoken to that in your mind sort of corroborates and increases your conviction on their testimony? Because just three people telling you about three different programs, that can seem sort of anecdotal, it can seem almost sort of anomalous. But were you able to connect because your mind works differently between these cases that leads you to believe that they might be true? The hidden wing out of Air Force testing evaluation is the highest confidence thing I have ever spoken about in my opinion. And that's a test evaluation program again that is housed predominantly at Edwards Air Force Base, the Nevada Test and Training Range, the Utah Test and Training Range, that quite often derivative vehicles are actually physically driven up from Air Force Plant 42. I am ultra high confident on that. You had multiple sources sort of confirmed that? Yes. Wow. That's interesting. Did you hear the guests that were here just prior were you, were you in your shot? I came up when you guys were talking about the ear and I hear you guys saying, "Can I touch your ear?" So it was a little bit of a weird thing to walk in on. Yeah, Frederick. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah. So Frederick and Christine, they came up here and talked about a few sort of sightings that they have, but the first one was really interesting. I thought you'd be really interested in this. They were driving up to Rachel, up to the gate at Area 51, and they have a video. We're going to see the video soon. I don't know if you guys backstage have managed to pop it up on one of these screens, but whenever you get the chance to do that, go ahead and we'll just defer to that, but they have footage of what they claim to be if you zoom in and what they saw with their eyes is an object that looks like a disc at mountain range level, sort of like going by really fast, then just taking off. And it had sort of this like halo around it. They're working on it now. And immediately after, so they get out of the car, they're filming this, all of a sudden, there's this giant black triangle, and he's like tapping, you know, his partner and he's like, "You've got to look at this and they both see it. They both see both things right at the gate. What do you make of that? What is that?" And then they were blasted with a sound cannon. It was a sound that they felt almost consumed them and it was more than just an alarm. It was like rattling their heart, like their organs to get out of their car. Really? Yeah. Almost like they were being warned by perhaps a presence inside the base. Like a directed energy weapon or a disco mobular type weapon. I didn't want to say it, but it felt like this, you know, they call it the disco mobulator now. Yeah. Right. That's what I was thinking. Whoa. It felt like it was inside of me. I was like, "What?" And it scared the crap out of them so much. They got the car, got the hell out of there. Well, that's kind of interesting because I've recently stumbled across some 20, I think it's 2020 encounters of individuals who have claimed to get pretty close to different sites in the Mojave Desert out in California of some sensitive aerospace locations. And essentially, the couple of people have claimed when they get close to the security perimeter, they start to feel super nauseous and hot and throw up and need to leave the area right away. So it's interesting from 2020 and how that lines up with the thought of the disco mobulator and so forth. It's just like running through your autonomic nervous system and jamming it. It's kind of wild that happened like broad daylight though. Yeah. Is that something you've ever heard of through testimony that they're doing these broad daylight, black triangle tests on these ranges? Yeah. Because at a place like Area 51, you can clear the flight line for a classified test, right? And, you know, I don't specifically think a lot of crafter held that Area 51. I do have confidence that a lot of triangles are ours. So I would not be surprised if there was a test evaluation test in the middle of the day. What would be surprising is the craft, of course, seemingly going near those individuals. Did you say it kind of approached towards them? No, I think it took off at like incredible speeds. But it wasn't too far and it was like 50 feet off the ground. I've heard stranger things at the Nevada test site about triangle craft. Mid-day test of almost Vanta black triangles taking up vertically from a cleared flight line that don't disturb. any of the dust around them, seemingly instantaneous acceleration right off the flight line. Just fascinating. Oh, here we go. So it's playing now. Nice. Oh my God. Did you see the craft on the left hand side? You see it? It's like kind of out of the frame. I have like the best vantage point compared to you guys watching again. Hold on. I got to get up here. It's on the line. It's going to be hard for you guys to see. We got there right there. Oh, wow. Clearly it is. It's wild. Yeah. Right there. Whoa. I think we need to like pause and zoom in. Yeah. Yeah. We've got to hit. So wow. Look at that. That's insane. Whoever's back there. I mean, right on. I don't know who's manning this. Yeah. Yeah. Replay, but sick. Yeah, that's way too low for an airplane, right? No, it's that's like a really good video. It's pretty impressive. Look at that. And that's, yeah, that's it. I'm going to restart. Wow. Interesting. Very interesting. I mean, is that the same craft as what they've seen after? That's a good question. Thank you. By the way, whoever's back there. Yeah. Really interesting. I mean, it clearly zoom in again on that. That could be the triangle. I'm just going to say that. Yeah, it could be. That's insane. It could be the same thing that they observed afterwards. In fact, that almost looks what do you I mean, what do you think are your closest to it? It looks like a pretty large object. It does, but it doesn't necessarily look. It looks like it. There goes. We think it would be a disc from our vantage point, but it could. Yeah, right. Just a flat. Yeah. And I mean, that makes a lot of sense. If you see a triangle up close afterwards, I mean, it would be highly anomalous to see two different. But I'm not discounting the fact that it might be. It's just really interesting. Look at it right there. That's crazy. That's a good video. No, it's a really good video. Yeah. I mean, this is what we're working with, right? They're not declassifying anything. We've got this in clear videos. Yeah, that now kind of looks like a disc. I'm not. Yeah. Whoa, look at that. Yeah, it's clearly. I don't know. Yeah, it's I looks dark to me. I don't know if it's not glinting any light. That's awesome. Very interesting. Well, thank you for for sending that our way. Intriguing, right? I wanted to let's go to a few questions here, because I do have some more questions I want to get to so that we cover some of these. I got one question here, which is really interesting. And I'll throw this one out to both of you. Maybe start with Jesse. What is the most credible credible evidence you've encountered so far that connects consciousness to nuts and bolts machinery? It's a really good question. It's by Tim. Tim, thank you. That's a really good question. I mean, you have all of these and Gerb can definitely speak kind of intimately to this. Michael Herrera, who he's gone very deep with and done some amazing videos with, you know, he's on this. Was it Operation? Is it Katana where he gets redirected to Indonesia? And then he sees basically these psionic assets being loaded on to what he saw as this like, you know, ARV craft. This derivative material, you know, reverse engineered eight gone Vanta Black craft. And so you have that. And then you have the Jake Barber stuff where you have these psionic assets that seem to be sort of summoning, you know, these these this craft in the form of the sky watcher and stuff. And so you just have this. I don't know a lot. And then you have you have obviously Chris blood so story. And maybe in isolation, each of these stories I might even, you know, say is, you know, you can't say like, you know, an end of one story is definitely true. But in aggregate, you'd start to develop this pattern of, you know, these honestly psionic assets that don't seem to be treated particularly well in the legacy program. So like just backing up like how this stuff like it seems to work, which is really kind of gnarly and weird is they'll recruit sometimes in third world countries, these psionic asset, you know, people who have propensities for, you know, higher extra sensory perception, who are hypersensitive. And they'll do stress inoculation. And so they'll put them into heightened stress states. And then they'll have them engage in these sort of, you know, protocols to attract craft. And then they'll use, you know, if it can't get any more dystopian than that, they'll use a high powered microwave weapons directed energy to essentially down the craft. And you, I mean, you just have a lot of these stories that seem to come out of did I miss anything as far as I mean, there's also the, you know, the story of these helmets that are being used. So like that consciousness can't successfully interact with the technology that's being retrieved because I don't know, there's, we haven't developed it enough perhaps or whatever that is or, you know, there's these theories of the microtubules interfacing with whatever this morphic field is. And that we, you know, can fly the craft via just our brain waves, but that the bodies recovered might have, they might have an enhanced version of that and to sort of have that same version. And we hear stories of these helmets or sort of headbands being applied to the psionic assets. I think Danny Sheehan, who's done, you know, an incredible job just sort of researching and kicking down doors and looking into the UFO stuff. Well, he's, you know, he said to me on the podcast that these psionic assets are being fitted with these sort of helmets or these headbands and their brains are literally being fried. Because they're like cranking it up and trying to amplify whatever sort of minimal psychic connection that they do have. And you have all these like Lockheed guys who you would expect to be like super nuts and bolts kind of materialist reductionist like, you know, just make, you know, basic conventional aerospace stuff. You, you would expect them to be very conventional in their physics understanding coming out, especially at the end of their careers and doing speeches about extra sensory perception, and the guy abilities, Jim Ryder, who is this guy who has now been outed multiple times as the guy who is head of Lockheed Martin, he was a VP of their space systems. He was trying to transfer materials of this, you know, specific craft to big, low aerospace to be studied in 2008. There's this crazy speech that he gives you. You can look it up on YouTube. It's called Garment of the Gods. And he's going through, he's saying like, you know, in Russia and China, they just take extra sensory perception for granted and sigh for granted, here it's this big fight. And, you know, I've met some of these like, you know, engineers and they're super into random event generators and affecting quantum random quantum mechanical processes with your mind. And then you hear about the craft itself, not having a control panel, you know, down to the, you know, Bob was our story. It's like there's some sort of mental interface. No, I think you said it perfectly to kind of add what you were saying there. Remember Dr. Eric A Walker, who's been implicated for decades as a critical member in 1950s UFO crash retrieval groups, was approached in the 80s, early 80s. And I think it was William Steinman or Henry Azadahel, who somehow managed to get him for a quick interview, where he actually admitted to being at the 1965 Kecksburg, Pennsylvania UFO crash. And, you know, when he's being playful and so forth, he also says, what do you know about either? I can't, he might have said seven cents weirdly, but what do you know about the sixth sense unless you know about it, you would never be admitted into such programs. Also a big fan of SAIC, Science Applications International Corporation, the NSA West, a big think tank that I think for decades, you know, far before it spun off later, has been pretty integral to UFO programs. They, of course, continued the Stargate program, remote viewing and kind of size stuff programs from SRI in the 90s. And I think back to a great quote, Dave Grush, I talk about this all the time on Joe Rogan. He and Joe are talking about size stuff and the weirdness of psi. And Dave Grush says, well, what if some of these psi programs and remote viewing programs were started and used as a way to unlock something we have sitting in the hangar. So that was a really interesting bridge between consciousness and nuts and bolts for me hearing Grush speak about that. Yeah. And you have a guy like Hal Putoff who started the American Psychic Spy program, Stargate, just kind of popping up at the forefront of UFO science. And you have to ask, what, what is that connection? There's clearly some kind of key. He wrote a paper on microtubules, which is also really interesting, because there is this document that came out a few years ago that was allegedly written by a molecular biologist who worked on some alien bodies. Did some of you watch that video? I did a read through that. By round of applause, have you? All right, really interesting stuff, because there was so many different parts about the alien that were interesting, whether it's the skin secreting this excretory, sort of the pooping out of the skin, we find out. And that smells like ammonia and sulfur, which is super interesting for many reasons. You know, we hear about these cases. But then it also talks about their organs, how the brain is 20% bigger. They have a larger lung sac so that it can feed the brain because it's larger, it needs more oxygen and et cetera. It has like the esophagus is separate from like the throat, I think, and like all sorts of different physiology, you know, sort of anomalous things that you would expect an alien to have. But then it said, he said, the number one thing that he was being told, his mission, which was paramount to anything, was to figure out like the microtubules. And he suspected in this document when he wrote it, which by the way, a lot of other molecular biologists have taken a look at and said, no, this guy knows what he's talking about and this is, you know, prior to modern sort of more robust GPTs and stuff. So yeah, he said that he thought this was how they flew the crafts, was that interface. And that's why it was paramount because a lot of these things, I think, based on testimony, based on even Bob Lazar, but he says, these things are sitting in a hangar somewhere and they're just like, they're just there and they can't really do anything with them. They maybe take them out for a little joy ride, but they can't do what they seen them do when they had bodies on board. And that's why, you know, we hear these stories of the pilots or these sort of drone bodies or whatever these aliens are, that they are not only pilots, they are an integral part of the craft. Like they are an extension of the craft and you hear other stories through these things where these bodies leave the craft and if they get to a certain distance, they get sick and die. And you know, so you're like, oh, this is like a vital part and also a failsafe if you're throwing stuff out there that like, oh, we got the bodies and you're like, yeah, you just like, basically destroy the keys to this craft. You know, it's like a bit of a failsafe for them, too, which I think is interesting. I want to play a bit of a game with Gurb here. I brought it a little, all right, we'll see how he does. This is the acronym game. Gurb is known as the King of acronyms in this space and I'm throwing him some low balls, right? 'Cause I do want to see him get a win here, watch. Just, okay, he's gonna get this one, but watch him perk up. When he reads, are you ready? Here we go. That is my favorite. Can I phone a friend for this one, though? This is the FFRDC, federally funded research and development center. Bingo, yes. And what is so fascinating about this? This sounds like the most boring acronym I've ever heard. So FFRDCs are the missing link in kind of the legacy structure people like to talk about. There have been ultra spooks like how put off that like to state that UFO legacy programs are held within the contractors to avoid from FOIA. I think that's nonsense. I think that's absolute nonsense. I think that the role of FFRDCs within the legacy programs is to serve as the bridge between the government customer, the government agency, whether it be elements of the Air Force, the CIA, what have you, and then the Northrop Crumans and Lockheed Martin. Most FFRDCs, including the MITRE Corporation, DOE, and NSA national labs, San Dia, Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, and so forth. These are go-co structures, a government-owned contractor operated. So this means this is the perfect gray area, especially like a DOE national lab, to house a craft where the government customer can have both plausible deniability and still strict access to the craft. And thus, the FFRDC can then act as the arbiter of knowledge and access to the contractor to get access onto the program. In fact, I'm very confident that on a contractor level, at a Lockheed Martin level, it's only specific roles within the contractor that have a wide knowledge of the scope of legacy programs and what they're dealing with. This would be corporate directors for special programs, SAP Security Directors, men like Terry Phillips, and so forth. All right. [APPLAUSE] But I have a feeling that's the only one I'm going to get. I have a feeling that's the only acronym I'm going to get. No, no, no. We're giving you low balls today. Like I said, I like to see you get excited about this stuff. We got this one here. Round of applause. Yeah, see? That's what we're dealing with here. DITRA, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, but there's no I. Oh, there's no I. There's no I. Ah, yes, yeah, we see we threw you a curveball. But what's interesting about DITRA, just a study in the realm of legacy programs? Wait, was it Stanford again? Defense Threat Reduction Agency. So the interesting thing about DITRA, of course, is you have Dylan Boerlin speaking about old records, concluding that most-- there's some UFOs where extraterrestrial house within the Atomic Energy Commission under DITRA. But also DITRA is the latest evolution of something called the AFSWP, the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, which was formed between 1947 and 1948 at Los Alamos Z Division, which, of course, is Sandia Base, which will become Sandia National Labs, a DOE and NSA National Lab. But what's interesting about the AFSWP, it was a founded joint venture under-- it was the Navy and some element of IC, I think, and this included being founded under James Forestall, an alleged majestic 12 member. But what's also another interesting connection, one of the figures most associated with the 1953 Kingman Arizona crash, Dr. Ed Dahl, who, according to a primary witness of the craft, Arthur Stancell, Dahl called him to the actual crash retrieval scene. Dr. Ed Dahl was one of the most prominent figures in the AFSWP, spearheading most of its sensitive projects at the time. So DITRA is a really interesting evolution of the AFSWP. All right. You heard that? DITRA. All right. Let's see you get this one. Oh, it's the National Something Command Center. It's under the Pentagon. It's the-- Oh, we got them. Folks, we got them. Ladies and gentlemen, Jesse. National Military Command. Ah, that's right, yeah. And Jesse, can you fill us in? You know, I don't know much about it. So one source I spoke to-- this is actually-- I think I can say this, because I'm anonymizing this person. He said that-- remember that crazy Chinese spy balloon? And then you had some other possible UFO flyovers specifically-- Yeah, we had one shot down over Canada, actually. Yeah, Alaska. And then I've heard rumors that the thing that was shot down over Alaska was actually kind of an anomalous object. It might have even reassembled itself and flew in Canada after that. So there were emails about that on the NMCC. And I guess they got deleted. So yeah. Interesting. National Military Command Center. Weird. Yeah. All right. This is one of your favorites, too. I even know this one. Round of applause. Anybody? OK, a little bit more. Oh, there's an all-time classic. Air Force Office. Air Force Office. Special investigation. But if you want to get specific with legacy program stuff, you look at AFOS-I/PJ, which is the Office of Special Projects. These are the spooks and the spooks that guard Air Force Special Access Programs. Yeah. These are potentially aliens. Maybe some. That's not saying no. Like the men in black type guys. There are definitely vicious humans, including Terry Phillips, and now who handles the role, Liam Russ, who are certainly humans, even though they may be a little vile. Sketchy's spooky territory when you're talking about these guys. If you ever get a knock in the door and they show you badge and that's when you know, oh, it just got real. I mean, we have UFO spokespeople who are former Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Who's that? Doty. Rick Doty. Yeah, Rick Doty, right? Exactly, yeah. Don't play dumb with me, Chris. All right, I'm trying to get him on the pod. All right. Don't speak ill of him, please. How about this one? Oh, gosh. I don't know. I feel like I recognize it, but I don't know. Anybody? No. That's the buy. It's probably nothing, merch. That's why I recognize it. I really thought you'd get that one. I do have one that I think you're going to get. You tell me if you recognize this one. Can I say it? Yeah, what's this one? It's the greatest UFC fighter of all time. George St. Pierre. Hey, Russ. George St. Pierre. Yeah. Thank you, guys. Let's go. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Dave News, George St. Pierre. Merci. So good to have you here. Thank you so much for coming out. It's your hometown. Thank you, sir. This is really exciting to have. have you here talking about UFOs, anomalous activity, UAP, yeah. Thank you for being here and joining us today. Very happy to be here. I've watched a lot of your shows online and learned a lot. And to get to meet you for the first time, I met Chris before a few times. But to meet you, UAP Gerb, Jesse, I mean, for me, it was great a part of-- too much of a good approach. You need to say no. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. But an honor. [APPLAUSE] Now, what I think what's interesting with you, George, is that you are an incredibly intelligent person. You're someone who's curious. You have this insatiable curiosity for especially like ancient civilization stuff. You have a crazy mind for paleontology as well, which a lot of people don't know about you. And so outside of the fighting, being a champion, it feels like you're just doing side quests now, because you've conquered that world. And now you're like, what else is left, I guess? But now you're going after the really big questions. What started your curiosity into, especially specifically, the UAP UFO world? When you talk about UAP and UFOs, I was always curious to know the answer about, are we alone in the universe? And I think the universe is so big that-- I mean, it's a generic answer that I'm giving, but it's true. It's so big that it's almost impossible that we're alone. And I, myself, at one point in my life, saw something in the sky that I couldn't explain. I was not alone. I was with Russia Divans, who was a UFC champion. I was with Mike Vanars-Dell in the car. And Ali Abdelaziz, who managed a lot of great athletes in the sport, Khabib Nur-Magomanov, and Islam Akachev. And there were another guy. His name was Alizandro, but I lost track with him. I don't know what happened with him, but we were five in the car, and we saw something. And it caught my curiosity, because I know what I saw was very weird. It couldn't be explained by, oh, this is a star, or this is a satellite. And yeah, it was a phenomenon, unendentified, anomalous phenomenon. This was something that was corroborated with everybody that was there. You had other people in the car with you that also-- you've heard them on record go. No, that was strange. It took off. It came super low to you guys, and it had multiple lights. And where was this, by the way? Because that's also interesting. It happens-- I think if I remember correctly, it wasn't-- Albuquerque, right? In Albuquerque, but it was about 15, 20 years ago. And when it happened, what is weird about it is that we all clearly saw something. But what I've realized is that the way it appears to me from my perspective seems to be different from the other guys that I was in the car with, from their perspective. Because I heard their interviews. The way they describe the incident, and it's not how I witnessed it. I thought to me, it was sort of a green-- like a green, greenish, triangular, shaped light coming towards us as we were in the car. And it came in a change direction, and then it changed a second time direction, and it skipped. And it lasted for about maybe 15 seconds. But I heard other guys that were with me in the car describing something different. Oh, it was like an orbs, and it lasted for a minute. So that's why this thing is so weird. It seems to have a different feel for different people. Yeah, the skipping is interesting, too, because Bob talked about this skipping. That was one thing that was never kind of mentioned before. But when he was out at Area 51 with, I think, Gene Huff and John Lear, they were watching. And I think there's a video of this as well on an old camcorder, and they see the light. You know this video I'm referring to. And it goes, blah, blah, blah, and it kind of like skips. Yeah, when I talk to Bob Lazar, his theory was that when it flies locally, it stays like this. But when it goes in long direction, and I'm talking long direction, it's only theoretical, that it flips belly towards where it wants to go. And when it changes direction, because it goes a long way, it appears from our perspective that it's skipping. Maybe from the occupant, theoretically, it's something that is piloting it. It's something different, but from our perspective, you know. That's a story, you know. That's so strange. It's so strange. Jesse, do you have any questions for George? I do. So outside, first of all, this is such an honor to even be in the same room with you. I'm a huge fan. And this is so cool and surreal. Thank you, Anne. And it should be for all of you. But-- and you're just the coolest, humblest guy outside of your interest in these topics. But I want to know outside of your personal experience, are there any stories, whether there are UFO crashes, a whistleblower coming out, that you've seen kind of in the open source media world, where your conviction has really grown in the whole topic, where you've gotten really excited about a specific story? Well, I met different people in my life. And because I'm a UFO enthusiast, you know. I want to believe there is something, but the logical part of me needs strong evidence. And when I had a chance to meet Bob Lazar, and you know, and I talked to him, I believe that he believed what he's telling me. I really do. However, I don't know if, from his perspective, what he described, it's really what it is. But I believe that he believes what he's telling me. And I had a chance to meet different people to talk to them. I've been fooled before, you know, many times. But Lazar is one of the greatest actor in the history. Like, I believe that he believes what he's telling me. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's been our experience, Steve. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, what's interesting, too, is that you told me once on the podcast that we had that you had sort of developed this relationship with some department people, some people of the Defense Department, or in and around these programs, or at least adjacently tied to through an event that you went to in the United States, which was this private event. And there were all these sort of higher ups in these military ranks among yourself and some other fighters that were invited to this event. And it's so funny, because at the way you told the story, it was like, you're sitting around a table. And, you know, kind of everybody's kind of, you know, feeling out like, what's going on? And being, you know, George, and just being like, dude, I got one opportunity to ask this question. Yeah, it was in Washington, and I was sitting at a dinner with different people around the table. And a lot of these people were part of different programs, like program that they can't talk about, like secret programs. And I was thinking that if there's an opportunity in my life that I can ask the big question, it's right now. I might never have this opportunity ever again. And to the risk of making a fool of myself, I asked the person in front of me. And when I start talking to talk about that subject, I see that all the attention of the table sort of switch and turn towards us of our conversation. And I asked her, like I told her that I've in the past, so what I can describe as a UAP. And then after I ask her, I say, are we alone, or is it a possibility that there's people that as these sort of technology here that crashes, or they retrieve that sort of technology, isn't me? Or I'm crazy. And she looked at me and she said, you're not crazy. And then it's part of a different conversation with different guys around the table. And there's one that was on the other side of the table. He looked at me and he says, you know? And he was one of the guys that he works in a secret program, too. And he says, in a different field, but he says to me, he says, George, there's things that I just don't want to know. I'm not ready to learn. And I'm good with that. He said that to me and front everybody in the table. So it right away, if there's people that know about that stuff, these are the guys, you know what I mean? And they're always limited in what-- How far they can go, how much they can discuss. - Do you keep in contact with some of these people today? - Yes, I do, I do. And every time there is something that comes out, I, my phone rings, and I got, I'm always ahead of the curve with the news. However, I'm so busy that I'm not always looking at my phone, but sometimes when I, when I have time, I look at my phone and I look at the last few messages, and it's all updates on stuff that happening. Like the tweet that Donald Trump sent, I think it was yesterday, I received that from them. - Yeah, and I got, I got your text too, with it was like, immediately, you're one of the first people, I think, yourself and then our friend Brigham, as well, both of you, right away, we're on the ball. What do you make of that, is that for you, 'cause a lot of people feel like this tweet was some type of misdirection, and that's a valid feeling for a lot of people, especially with the, you know, the Epstein files being, you know, possibly related to, you know, Donald obviously involved in the Epstein files, and then him bringing out Ali, and seems to be some coincidence or cover-up. What do you make of that tweet, and how did that make you feel when that came out? - Yeah, that's the thing. He's under a lot of heat now from what I understand, and maybe, and there's different ways to see it, maybe it's like if I'm falling, I'm gonna make everyone fall with me, and I'm like, you know, it's a desperate move, or maybe it's a distraction, or, you know, like to create a distraction from what he's under the heat for, so I don't know how to interpret that. - It's interesting, 'cause like, you're, I feel like you're answering like a fighter, and you're like, I'm gonna take you down with me, we're gonna go to the ground, I'm gonna do it. But, you know, that's the thing, like, in this, in the world that we live in the scientific method, demands evidence, like strong physical evidence, and for me, sometimes the anecdotal, evidence are just as strong, like, you have a guy that is dying on it, he's about to die on his bed, like, he knows he's gonna die, and when he says it, like, he's, for me, this as, maybe not for a scientist, but for me, someone who talks like on his bed about, hey, this this happened, you can trust me it happened, and then it dies for me, it has a lot of strength. - Yeah, I think, yeah, not just for you. I think for most people, like, that's like, the highest, like, form of almost evidence, because we, witness testimony is important. - Absolutely. In fact, you know, enough to put people in jail, you know, and somebody on it, of course, it's powerful. Maybe I'd shoot that question to you guys. What's like some deathbed confessions that you guys feel are, like, really strong? - I think a great one is Walter Hott, of the 509th Bombardier group out at Roswell Army Airfield at the time, who, near the end of his life, he gave confession and actually swore in affidavit that, you know, the story of the flying saucer that crashed at Roswell was retracted under Roger Ramy and a fake cover story of a weather balloon and the story was retracted, was put there. I think that's a really powerful testimony, and, of course, there have been numerous deathbed confessions and near life test, near end of life testimonies given about Roswell. - Yeah, speaking of Danny Sheehan, there's a guy Albert Stein, whose real name was Oscar Wolf, and this guy was present at Underground at Area 51, so, you know, like, literally per the Obama statement, during what he said was an alien interrogation. And he was, like, you know, behind, like, you know, the glass of an interrogation room and he saw this, you know, taking place. And I think it was, like, the note takers, something you might know, some of the details. - Yeah, no, he was on his deathbed. He invited Danny Sheehan. You're familiar with Danny Sheehan. Yeah, you had an interview with him. Yeah, incredible guy in this guy. You know, if you don't know Danny Sheehan, he was, like, a lawyer who helped out with the Watergate scandal, Iran Contra, like, a really, really important figure in just US history, in general. This guy's been around, you know, for a long time, doing incredible things. So, you know, just him telling the story, I think, for me, is very credible, but he was asked to come meet Oscar Wolf in this hospital, and he was, according to Danny, all tubed up, you know, just on his last legs, kind of, this is it. And he goes, I'm gonna tell you something, I didn't even tell my wife, right? Which, again, increases conviction, 'cause you're like, whoa, the why, you know? And he goes, I had a friend who was part of the same church as me. And this was a really, like, sort of niche, sort of sector church, it was like the universal church of God or something like that. It was like a very specific, sort of church. And the guy who went to church with him happened to be a very cleared, higher up at Area 51, you know, somebody who has a lot of clearance. This guy, Oscar Wolf, also had clearance. His job, if I remember correctly, had something to do with, had something to do with the program in some tangential way, but like paperwork, anyways. He gets a call from him, this is him telling the story, he says, come down to Area 51, we gotta show you something, or this come down to this, you know, test site, Nevada, we gotta show you something, so he flies them out, gets there, they drive to S4, which I thought was really interesting too, 'cause that's like, you know, other corroborative piece of evidence, they're of driving from, you know, down to Papus Lake. And he says, we go into the store, we take an elevator, we go down, you know, below ground, and they get out of the elevator and start walking down the hallway, he says, he says, I see two hangers that are open underground with levitating discs, like flying saucers, and he's telling Daniels, and he goes, and then we walk and we turn into a smaller room, and there was a glass, and on the other side of the glass, was, you know, what you would describe as like an alien, like a gray sort of big-headed, almond eyes, sitting at this table. And the officer who is with him says, you know, this being communicates telepathically, do you want to ask at anything? And he tells Daniel, he's like, you have to understand, I was terrified of this thing, he's thinking demon, he's thinking, you know, in this religious view, 'cause they were both sort of religious men, he's like, I don't want to have anything to do with this thing. And so the officer goes in the room, and he comes out with cue cards after a while. And these little cue cards, they have, it's a stack of cue cards of all the questions that people have asked it. And he remembers sifting through it and seeing one, which was like, why are you here and where you from? Which is a great question, we all want to know, and it's answer on the cue card, so whoever translated this, whoever received this information, said, we are from this galaxy, although different parts of the galaxy, and we are here to monitor the behavior here on earth, that is our job, type deal. And the next question was, is there a god? And the answer that he received was, not, there is, but not what you think, right? Which I thought was interesting, and my head goes to like AI, or like, what is that? Yeah, and then he tells Daniel this, and that was sort of the end of the story, and he goes, yeah, I've never told my wife this story. - So he was a deaf, bad confession? - He died shortly after, yeah. - Is there a, is Werner von Braun allegedly added that bad confession, or is it a rumor, or is it true, are they? - You know, he's assistant, or secretary, Carolyn Rosin, I think is her name. She told Stephen Greer, so maybe you have to take this somewhat with a grain of salt. But I do, I think a lot of his stories are actually legit. And she said that Werner von Braun said that there would be a fake alien invasion, invasion at some point in the future, and to prepare for that. - You know, when people were freaking out about TRI Atlas, I thought that was it. I was like, no way, that's what he was predicting, but it turns out to not be true. But, to me, also, Harold Maumgren, I think, is a really important deathbed confession, where you have a guy at the end of his life who clearly served at the highest levels. Do you remember this? Do you remember the, so he was a LBJ, JFK, LBJ Nixon and Ford advisor, essentially, and served at the highest levels of the kind of American diplomacy. And at the end of his life, he says that he held UFO material in his hands that came out of the plume of a blast called Bluegill Triple Prime in 1963 in October. And what's crazy is he is saying this happened, and it was given to him by, by the way, Jeff Bezos' maternal grandfather happened to be the Albuquerque Atomic Energy Commission director, which is nuts. And he says, hold the material in your hands, and it's this weird, almost like an initiation ritual or something. And what's crazy is there's so much circumstantial evidence around that actually happening. You have the general there, this kind of general starboard, like flying back that night, like an emergency, like, you know, haste or whatever. back to the US, you have a FOIA request, Freedom of Information Act request to the National Nuclear Security Administration with the words UAV, UFO, UAP, directed to the NSA. And they say, "Sorry, but we can't give you the responsive records. We have to, you know, consult with the relevant subject matter expert," implying that there are documents with those words, with those acronyms, which can only refer to UFOs from that series, from those high altitude nuclear tests, the Starfish Prime series. Tom DeLong also talks about, you know, Starfish Prime, you know, UFO events. There's a guy, David Noble Whitecraft. There's so much evidence, and then you have this guy at the end of his life saying this. So yeah, and I, to me, spending time with him, he just patterned match to this guy, who he was so on top of everything when it came to elite global politics, or I'm like, this isn't a guy who's like becoming mushy-brained at the end of his life, he's not losing his marbles. Very sharp and on top of it. I think it's interesting, too, Jesse, that he chose you, and I do think that that means something, too. Right at the end of your life, and you want to speak to people, you're not, you're not saying, "Oh, UFO is a real-life scene body," is it's not this like crazy headline, but he gives you all these in-between truths and sets you on a path, you know, to look down what he's saying, but he chose you to do that. He didn't choose, you know, some other buddy, somebody who's in politics or somebody who's got a podcast about this or Joe Rogan even, he chose you, and your interest just happens to be in UFO tech science, I think that speaks volumes as well, it's sort of in-between the lines, if you catch what I'm saying. You wanted to have someone worthy to carry the torch, so that's right, yeah, I believe so, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Out of all of the sort of, because I want to talk about your interest in sort of paleontology and ancient history and stuff like that, now I am not well versed in this, and I had self-admittedly, I need to be more, and I need to look into this more, but I love the fact that you're interested in it. So, these had some really interesting, you know, sort of run-ins with this topic via, especially the NAS Kumami stuff, but is there anything in and around ancient aliens or ancient sort of civilizations or tech that specifically stands out to you as more anomalous? Oh, there's a ton of it, and I had a chance to travel in different locations. I went to a Balbek, Libadan. They have a place called the Temple of Jupiter. It's Roman construction, but the real mystery is the platform on which the Roman construction is on. They have stone that were carved and carried from a quarry that is about 500 meter, and we're not talking about a flat surface, there is hills, and like 800 tons, they call the Trileton, and these rock are not even on the bottom of the platform, they're like on top of it. It's crazy, and I've been there with Jimmy Corsetti, and you could clearly see the Temple of Jupiter and the platform on which the construction is on. It's made with two different techniques. You could clearly see the way they cut the rock, the size of the rock, and even the erosion on the rock is different. You could see half pictures that I could share with. In Balbek, if I'm not mistaken, there's those massive obelisks that are kind of perfectly cut. If you look at these things, I think you sent me a picture of one of these, and you stand next to it, you look like a little Lego. There's even rocks that were carved that were still in the quarry. It looks to me like the construction was stopped abruptly, something happened, maybe I don't know. Most of the mainstream archaeologists says they still don't know who put those rocks. They know the one on top is Roman, but they say that the main explanation is, they carved the stone, but they were too heavy, they decided to leave it there, but it doesn't really make sense. It doesn't match the erosion, it doesn't match the other. No, it doesn't. I mean, a lot of the explanation that you find in yours a lot of the data. When you look at things through the eyes of an archaeologist, you look at it differently than from the perspective of an engineer, from the perspective of a Mason, someone who knows how to work stones, so it's very interesting, and it takes a lot of courage, something to say I don't know. It takes a lot of courage, so I found also that in archaeology, especially, there's a lot of emotion attached to an idea, and they're willing in order to prove that their idea is right to the realm, maybe not the realm from the truth, but to a certain aspect, a certain element that they cannot explain. Do any prominent archaeologists come to mind when you say that's tape? No, but it's true on both sides. I'm talking about it's true on the mainstream archaeology, and I believe it's true also on the guys that are saying, oh, this is alien, like no, this is for me a capout conclusion. Yeah, yeah. It needs further investigation, but you cannot make a conclusion if it does not answer all the marks, and it does not, sorry to say that, but like Balbek does not check all the marks. The pyramids in Egypt does not check all the marks. Saxewaman does not check all the marks. Matru Picchu does not check all the marks, and I can go on and on and on and on and on. Let him cook. I agree with you, and I think it's so, so cool that people that have like your reach, your following, your presence, and your influence are publicly, you know, talking about this stuff. Because I think it's really important that like we shift that mindset of just being resigned to these crappy explanations that we've been given instead of being curious and questioning these things a little bit more. You told me one thing that was really interesting once as well. You got to visit the pyramids, and you got a pretty cool tour of inside the pyramids. Can you tell me about that? Yeah, absolutely. So, I, what convinced me, you know, when we talk about objective and subjective, something objective is something that I can prove, material, you know, like I can prove you something. Subjective, I cannot really prove it because it's in my mind. I've, you know, I've read a lot about the pyramid and, you know, I'm not an archaeologist, but I had a chance to go on site and to get a special access. I went in the great pyramid of Giza, and I was given an opportunity. They block the exit when I was in the room where the square, the box, where the box was, and they told me to lay down in the box, and I lay down in the box. Yeah, I did, yeah, yeah. And the guy that I was with, I was with Jimmy Corsetti, and the guy that I was with, he went on the corner of the room. And I didn't know what it was doing, but when I was in the box, I experienced a vibration. Like a very positive vibration, something that made me feel very, very good. And I don't know what was going on. It, I felt it for a few seconds, and after it was done, I sort of stood up. I'm like, wow, what was that? That's incredible. I feel like sort of, it feels very good, you know, I don't know what it is, but it feels very good. It's a very good harmonic vibration. And the guy was in the corner of the room, and he told me that he did the, mmm, like just, I couldn't hear him, but it convinced me, and like when I talk about objective, but this one is a subjective evidence for me that it has something to do with vibration, or there is something that we do not understand about what's going on, the mechanism of the pyramid. So are you familiar with these new synthetic aperture radar scans coming from this Italian team that seems to imply that there are coil, there are column tubular structures that are hollow, with coils wrapping around them. I think they're 8 in total, and they go a kilometer deep below the pyramids that look, they look like an energy grid, are you familiar with that? Philippo Biondi. Yes. Exactly. Well, I was very septic because I was like, man, it's. That's too crazy to be true, but then he did the test with five different satellites and he runs it more than I think like more than hundreds of time and the same thing always came back. And one thing that you can be sure about this, the satellite and tomography, it's very accurate. However, they don't know what it is, but it's very accurate. Yeah. Then they test it in different location and they know it's accurate. So there's something we just don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. I mean, it's alien, but just it needs further investigation. And it's very frustrating because it feels to me that, yes, yes, I want to maybe push you a little bit and speculate as to because you have all sorts of, you have these columns below the pyramids. Maybe, again, we don't know, but you have the fact that we've never found tombs in the pyramid. So it wasn't a tomb. There's hyroglyphics underneath the Andera that literally translate to Stargate, literally like the main Egyptologist that shows people how to Stargate. The Air Force consulted on the movie Stargate with Kurt Russell where the pyramid is literally a time travel portal. It maps to Orion's belt and then you had a Kundalini awakening inside the pyramid. Yeah. Well, I really did felt a very pleasant, harmonic vibration. I only stayed there for a few seconds because I couldn't block the way for the tourists for a long time. So they gave me a permission to do it and I had to do it fast. And I really felt something that I never felt before. Just really, if you ever have a chance to experience that, you need to do it. It convinced me to my core that maybe there is something that we don't understand. And maybe Kufu was there even though they never had the evidence, but I'm sure it was not the purpose of the construction. I mean, there's something about it that we don't understand. I agree. And what's interesting there is that these ancient civilizations, a lot of them, and I think the Egyptians too, correctly from wrong, but had great reverence for the dream state, right? And gleaming information from that dream and translating it into whether it's a vision or whether it's this or that. Now, you think about astral projecting and sort of how that works. There's someone who's had multiple out-of-body experiences through active meditation and pursuit. The one thing that I will say that I felt and that so many others who've had these out-of-body experiences have felt is a vibration. It's almost like you're getting, like you're a tuning fork. You know the tuning fork? But when you slap them, it's kind of this hum, this low electrical hum through your body that feels nice. It's almost euphoric. You're like, wow, it's a good feeling. So I would even question if these entire chambers were nothing but a way to communicate with something that lived in the astral plane or to even fetch knowledge from perhaps some ethereal, I don't know, library or something and bring that back in. It's always fun to theorize, but I also believe that there's a lot of knowledge through human history that was lost. Maybe some of that knowledge was built by us, but maybe was given to us. Are you guys familiar with Ermedics? There are seven principles in Ermedics. And it's very old. I mean, the evidence of it date to the Renaissance, but it's root our far back as a pre-denastic Egypt. And if some of you talk about vibration, vibration is one of the principles of Ermedics, nothing is immobile. Everything moves. There's also. Yeah, the mental is, everything is in the mind. The universe is a construction in the mind. Car respondents as above, so bellow, everything, you know, you take something very small like my veins. It's similar to the fractal. It's similar to a tree. The branch of a tree is then the rivers that split, it's the same thing. There's also the polarity. Everything has a polarity. Everything has a rhythm, a cycle, you know, in life, there's a cycle. There's different cycles. Some are shorter, some are life, to the cellular level, to the size of the universe. There's also masculine and feminine. And that there's another one is the causality, nothing happened for nothing, there's always a cause. And those principles dates from a very, very old times, and now we, with science, we realize that a lot of it is true, you know? And how did they know that back then, you know, so? Yeah, fundamental laws of our reality, of our physical reality, seem to tie back to Hermes, Trismogistis, and this hermetic, you know, these hermetic principles. And today, constantly when things happen, you got to think, man, you know, as above so below, as within so without, like if you're happy and content on the inside, you feel better, you feel better, you become healthier, people around you start feeling better, et cetera, et cetera. And that goes out and out. And there's so many instances of this that I'm sure, like a lot of people in the audience also feel like when you're, when you're negative, well, guess what happens, you're going to track negative. Like these are all fundamental properties. It seems of consciousness, of life, of everything else. And so what you're saying is that you think that a lot of these ancient practices were, you know, I guess upheld or, you know, counted on these type of principles. I believe it's a reminiscence of a knowledge that was lost from a past. I believe it's very plausible that we were at some point of time, our ancestor, at different knowledge. There's tons of evidence of that, just, you don't have to go very far. Just look at Greek fire. Greek fire was a weapon used by the Byzantine Empire. It was so fair, like people were afraid of it, they kept the cocktail secret. You can research it, it's called Greek fire. But the way the historian described it, they were using a flame trower during naval warfare and the person that was getting cut with fire, even if it jumped in the water, it continued to burn. So dying, while you're burning, burning, dying, burning, it's like the most painful death that you can have. And they tried to recreate it. They think it was some kind of petroleum and because it stick to you and you keep burning. But they don't know exactly how it was made, but it's a real thing. It's just an example of, it was a weapon used in ancient time by the Byzantine Empire and we still don't know how to recreate it. We don't know the formula. And it was like the atomic bomb. It was very secret at the time. And a lot of knowledge were lost, like when the library of Alexandria burned in Iraq, a lot of knowledge were lost there as well. So over time, I believe a lot of knowledge, some time is lost, could be catastrophe, wars and you know, the people who makes history are the one that wins the war, definitely true. And now we're finding out, like, I think Hillary Clinton was interested in Gilgamesh's team. Did you hear about it? It was like part of the-- She was interested in what? Gilgamesh's team. The tomb of Gilgamesh. This lady, I swear, the legend of Gilgamesh was like a giant from elsewhere. Yeah, and then we hear the story of the Afghan giant, like everybody's familiar with that lore as well. I think there's like a new interview about the Afghan giant's recently out there's some special forces guys saying like they fought the giants in Iraq. Red hair with six fingers, they lived in a cave, ripping people in half. Six story. I'm so inspired by your knowledge. It's true. It's amazing. Yeah, people don't know, man. Listen, the guys, I think it's very important what you guys are doing because you're giving a lot of credibility and it's a very important things that deserve more investigation. And you're very, you know, the way you articulate very well and the way you present yourself and you present the evidence, people sometime in the UFO lore, people sometime they complain, oh, there's no evidence, there's tons of evidence, but evidence is not proof, proof, you know, there's tons of evidence, there's tons of video document, but there's, you know, it takes more for to prove it, you know. Yeah, absolutely. And it's also thanks to guys like, like this guy here who's doing a lot, a lot of the legwork. Oh my God. Yeah, you had your first UAP Gerb experience in live downstairs before the show. They were hanging out and then like, you know, just one question, you could just see Gerb just light up and George is like, whoa, like you guys spent time together. You know, what was it? What was your first impression of Gerb because you met him today? you guys, you know, you, you, you, you. - You got to hang out a little bit. - Like he's like a computer, basically. (laughing) In 1945, how the hell do you remember all that stuff? Damn, I'm very impressed by your performance. (laughing) - It's amazing. - Wow, that's an honor, George. - You guys, what you guys do, it's amazing. I'm a big fan of your work. I'm just, you know, an UAP enthusiast, you know, like I know a little bit more than the average Joe, but I don't know as much as you guys. I just love to learn, and I learn a lot from your channel, what you guys do, and put on social media. And like I said, you add a lot of credibility because the way you dissect every case and then bring the data available to everyone, it's fantastic. It shows that it deserves more serious investigation. - One of the really cool things I found you do is, you know, based upon the work, like maybe Jessie, Chris, or I do, you internalize the content, you think it through, and then you ask really poignant conceptual questions and kind of further discussions on things. I think it's super important. - I reach a point in my life that, you know, I was a professional fighter, but I reach a point that I work really hard for my freedom, and whenever really free, but I'm at this point that I have enough freedom that I can use the spare time that I have to try to investigate on things that I want to know. And for me, it's very interesting. It's like going back to school, but I'm able to choose what I wanna learn from, you know what I mean? And that's why I love spending time with you guys. - Well, you earned it, two belts, multiple title defenses. - Here we go, one thing you guys didn't know about Gurb, maybe. All right, this guy also trains MMA six days a week, and tie a Muay Thai or whatever kickboxing. - Not a jujitsu. - Jujitsu mostly. If you get him going on MMA, he has the same sort of tism for the MMA stuff as I swear for the recovery stuff. Like he'll tell you, oh yeah, UFC 91. It was this guy and this guy, and then he'll be like, oh, and that city had a crash. And then this guy, he'll just go on and on and on. It's pretty impressive, man. - Yeah, you have a very impressive memory of details. It's unbelievable, it's, wow. - Wait, I wanna test, can we test his UFC? Do you have a knowledge right now? - Oh, that's fun. - Can you, okay, do you have a UFC question for him, maybe? - I'll start with an easy one, okay? Now I will get an harder answer. - Oh, I like this. - The first one. Who was the first ever UFC champion? - Voice Gracie. - Oh, okay, it's a good one. (audience laughing) - That'll make you confident. - Okay. Who fought, who is Gracie twice? And in the second fight, managed to do a draw with Royce. - Was it Kenner Frank Shamrock? - Ken Shamrock. - Okay, Ken Shamrock. - My god, he's good. And I'm going all school, this is a long, like I'm from a different generation. I'm older than you, and you know the answer is, this is amazing. All right, all right. In your, who would be your dream matchup in a fight? My dream matchup would actually be you versus Islam Makachev. Which I think you would win, you know, without, I think I'm supposed to win now, but in my prime, I'm not what I used to be, but in my prime, I think it could have been a very interesting fight, yeah. - Because it's like, people talk about the super fight that never happened was you versus Habib Narmagomedov, but I think Islam's better than Habib. So I think that the you versus Islam would be a better fight. - Yeah, I think it would be interesting, you know. In my prime, though, now I'm 44, I went through training today. I'm not what I used to be, but in my prime, I could have done some damage, you know? (laughing) - I don't know if you've seen it, but there's unfounded rumors, just nonsensical rumors swirling around that you're returning for the White House card. - No! - No! - For the UFC, yeah, absolutely not. - No! - Come back. - Wait, wait, no, no. - What if they read you in on some of the secrets? (laughing) - Bro, your contract is GSP gets top secret clearance. Two of us four, are you taking that fight? - Listen, (laughing) it would need to be a very deep secret. (laughing) - Hey, that's not no. - There's one thing that excites me more than, you know, like a lot of, you know, it's price fight, we get paid, but one thing that excites me way more than money, it's knowledge, knowledge is, it would be, could be something that bring me back. (laughing) - Oh, all right, let's make it happen. - Who would be, oh, so, I was just gonna say, we should note the fact that you, could be in Islam, we're in the same card together viewing a UFO, which is insane. Like, you literally have three of, you know, easily- - The greatest fighters of all time. - The greatest fighters of all time, seeing a UFO together. - The problem, when you're a professional fighter, and you say that you've seen something like a UFO, people right away, they write you off ice, brain damage. It doesn't help with my credibility. (laughing) It really doesn't help. - Yeah, I, you know, they say the same thing about me, but I haven't been in any fight, so I don't know what that says. (laughing) - One question that I think a lot of people would like to ask you is, each of you, if you were giving an opportunity to meet someone, to interview that person, and he would be injected a cocktail of truth. He cannot lie. Who would it be? - A lie or dead, or both. - Both, both. - Okay, dead or alive in history. You wanna take this one first? - Dead, I'd say, President White Eisenhower, 'cause I think he established so much of the legacy program structure. - That would be interesting, I agree, yeah. - Like, yeah. I'm gonna think, you go. - Well, so we were talking about this earlier, you and I, and I loved your answer, which was Putin. - And the reason I thought about it since you said that, which is, you know, this is a guy who has, you know, ruled his country for, you know, very long time. You know, there was like, I think some Medvedev was like a fake president at one point, but he was like always in charge. And so it's, you don't, you know, the US President, they call him like a temp, you know. He's like, he's not given the goods, you know, in many cases, maybe if they come from an intelligence background, they know a little bit more. But they also have like so much else on their plate. And at some point, you have to think that somebody with that much dictatorial control and that much kind of, you know, intimate understanding of what his generals know, really understands what's going on, so. - I would have loved to hear the perspective of George Bush senior. - I think it would have been interesting as well. - Yeah, I mean, I'm flip flopping between a lot of politicians for sure. There's like, but I think, no, I think I, (laughing) Johnny says Justin Trudeau, no amount of truth serum, dude. (laughing) - No, Dan Burish would be mine. - Ah, that's interesting. - And like, he's still alive, you know, and apparently he's some more in Canada, you know, he's, yeah, yeah, I would love to, with truth serum, you know, because that's the one thing. He said a lot of really incredible things and obviously corroborate a lot of other, you know, things that have happened, but he's a legitimate molecular biologist. He was like, he's a very bright person and he has some of the trippiest stories of, you know, revolving around not only interaction with the being that he sort of befriended over time, but also time travel stuff and converging timelines and in his own words, like Hillary becoming president would have been like the end of our timeline, which I think a lot of people agreed with, even people didn't know about Dan Burish, but so yeah, Dan Burish should be mine. - Do you guys believe that all these nation worked together behind closed door? Because if you watch certain documentary, they make it look like, okay, we're in secret war together information about this against China or Russia, are they all together behind closed door? Like it's a group that sort of controlled the world, the kind of mix or technology or what do you got, what's your thought on that? - It seems like there's at least a five eyes nation type coordination on UFO crash or chief law organizations between us and you guys, the US and Canada, kind of the ANZAC region and so forth. And it seems like in years prior, there have been kind of mutual agreements with the then Soviet Union. You know, in the 1970s under the salt treaties, there was an agreement with the Soviet Union to alert each other if there were ever UFOs and kind of each other skies, so they wouldn't be confused with nukes. In fact, there was direct lines to the Kremlin or to the White House. house that would use flash codes like mo link 222 mo link 333 to just say hey Soviet Union there's UFOs in our airspace or UFOs over your waters it's not buses them yeah and that's it that's in writing that's in writing UFOs yeah yeah we have to pollinate on unknowns exactly in sensitive air space which is wild and then there are rumors from Harold Maumgren on his deathbed and Danny Sheehan that JFK actually had a family friend this guy Norman cousins who we know for sure was backchanneling with cruise jeb and it was probably around some you know nuclear datant disarmament but they both speculate and both of them have intimate knowledge and connections on the hill and with you know very elite people that they JFK actually wanted to do sort of a joint space effort around this issue around UFOs with cruise jeb and that you know the people around him didn't want that and then you also of course you know Bob Lazar talks about there being Russians on the base and then they on S4 area 51 and they makes a certain discovery and then they have to kick the Russians out so I think it my guess is it's sort of not a clean answer it's been this sort of like cloak and dagger diplomacy game of you know obviously when you figure out something you have some asymmetric advantage you know you have to conceal it but then it's also used to coordinate at times and it also means that if they aren't working together that they're all independently concealing a secret which is a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow but there's a whole deep dive into why that might be the case also like if you have China we're not communicating with you know it's a vast country there's a lot of activity down there they've obviously run into this thing too why is it that they haven't disclosed it right have you ever considered the possibility I'm not saying that's what I believe but I'm just trying to put out there what could it be that maybe it's the alien that is pulling the string yeah I think you you like have to conclude that ultimately like actually it's funny you you mentioned George H. W. Bush Bush 41 being an amazing interview I agree he was the director of the CIA for a very long time I just interviewed Eric Davis who's this like you know kind of interesting spoiler yeah spoiler it it was actually a debate between Eric Davis and Eric Weinstein on like UFO physics which is really crazy and Eric Davis says that he had direct conversations with George H. W. Bush about the Holman landing in 1964 and so this was this landing you know at Holman Air Force Base and this being comes out and he's like you know I think seven feet tall and he looks like a Nordic being but he has like an Egyptian head dress on tall whites to deal and there's like a video out there and so literally this is a conversation that Eric Davis says he has you know with Bush 41 but what was what was the what was I was I was considering the possibility maybe we talk about oh they're pulling the strings the string is a different nation or is it the the alien or so Eric Davis literally says in front of Congress he says the NHI themselves are controlling disclosure which if you're saying that you have craft that defy our physics you're saying these things can you know enter our bedrooms at night and implant us with you know chips you're saying that they're running circles around us obviously the conclusion is you can have an org chart that is fully human when it comes to you know all the stuff that Gerb's map you know this parallel chain of command you're building these sort of you know alien reproduction vehicles and and exotic craft but at the end of the day as far as disclosure goes of course they have to have coordination abilities that are controlling how the stuff comes out for sure I would think so too and I think that there's you know a lot to say about these cases you know the whole sort of keel approach or you know the men in black being NHI in some cases like you hear a lot of cases where these sort of got looking weird strange sort of men in black that work for the OSI or and show up at the door so at least in some capacity if not working alongside working independently to also try and quell or control you know the subject it seems that way they're walking among among us they're walking among us yeah that's what it seems to be yeah definitely trippy huh it is all right well GSP yeah give it up please thank you ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you thank you to UAP Gerb give it up for him as well and I want to thank Frederic and Christine thank you for coming up and sharing your story and thank all of you for coming out tonight and supporting this show means the world to us and it means the world us that you're following you know everything we do and you're so passionate about this we got to speak to some of you I love you guys I think you're awesome and let's keep this thing going and let's push for disclosure at least for some of the answers thank you guys and good night (gentle music)