Nest Sessions: Matthew Logan Vasquez on Botched Vasectomies

simple question just kick things off who are you who the fuck are you what are you doing here i'm matthew logan vasquez um i'm matthew logan vasquez and i um in the front man of a band called delta spirit which hasn't been active in a long time uh and i've been doing my own thing uh that's why i have three names is because matt vasquez is like john smith because vasquez is a fairly common name it's a conquistador name are there a lot of other matt vasquez is making music if you spotify you'll see some yeah there's a lot of matt vasquez is like on instagram as well yeah and to like have the ip of your own name uh so that's why i went with three names and i like logan because it's a cowboy name and that's fun it's a good name all three together yeah it's a great name yeah it looks nice on merch it's like someone intentionally named it yeah my mom yeah yeah thanks debbie when did you two meet each other because full disclosure i mean eagle eyed and he had flightless bird listeners will have potentially heard you play at live shows yes two live shows and also heard his music the first like two years yeah in the background yes yeah you've sort of been along on this flightless bird journey so welcome to the fan long time listener first time host or a guest yeah easy but when did when did you two first meet and how did that happen we met in la first yeah because you shot that show at the bootleg when the bootleg was still going but i was a fan of your music for quite a long time before we met yes um i had seen stalking me for years delta spirit play chicago a ton of times yeah metro a bunch of times lincoln hall oh so fun i think we had probably met once because you and company of thieves had like a mutual friend maybe yeah i don't know i don't know who that would be because we you randomly opened a show i went to at metro with not a surf yes your memory is so good for all this stuff as well not a surf i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know it was like the third band we got to go on tour with like our first uh our first national tour was cold war kids and then was dr dog and then was not a surf so it's basically like oh you want credit like it was we just really lucked out with that first growth and this guy matt costa who had a big hit on and he he brought in so many because matt's great and his band was really great but he had the vh1 normal fan part and that those fans were the ones that really really stuck with us a lot of places that you know just connected the dots so it wasn't just every major populous city kind of thing yeah but i got dragged to that show dragged you were dragged to not a surf are you insane i wasn't a huge not a surf fan why i don't know what's your problem well i'm trying to compliment you now okay and then i saw you guys open and i liked you so much better than not a surf oh come on i became a big fan of matthew cause is such a good songwriter i have since come to appreciate and like some not a surf but i had i had gone with two friends to that show um company of thieves cool we're big not a surf fans which genevieve just did the show right right um and fell in love with your band yeah and how did it cross over from a fan to the bridge of friendship when did that sort of form do you do you remember when that moment was i forget the podcast but you were producing the podcast i had shot um you on your solo stuff post delta spirit at the bootleg at the bootleg yeah that was really fun i do remember you kept tagging me in the photos of it but they weren't your photos they weren't my photos they're like one was like a selfie in the van yeah you would just like copy and paste yeah copy and paste uh captions i was so drunk that like it was crazy the first years of of my solo stuff just you know running a like a a crazy alcoholic running uh running a tour without a manager just an agent in tow and just and driving motivation and i could settle a show and i could get to the next venue and i can book a hotel i can do so many things functionally being drunk but like the micro stuff like you know tagging the appropriate person yeah or understanding the finer points of settling uh a night i just at some point and i realized it's like well whatever money you gave me is probably fine you know like honestly if you're if you're screwing me out of money it could be it's good i mean congratulations you suck like you probably don't have long in this business yeah so it's fine and everybody's been really generous like even in that insane time so so you were you were boozing up a lot oh you're on it yeah up until 2018 uh when it really just needed to pump the brakes it got too crazy did you manage to get off it quickly or yeah yeah i just yeah it was like uh it was like end relationship lose access to kids kind of situation full noise yeah yeah yeah so it was it was here's enough pain to decide to change and yeah yeah yeah yeah and that was it and now you're both two booze free boys yeah so then you yeah you came on emily kinney's podcast right emily doubt the spirit had kind of you and kelly and we just started putting it together again because we stopped in 2015 there was um some interpersonal stuff going on as well as some like really preppy business stuff i've had to move in with my mom like with a fresh baby and had to tour and like get myself out of that situation and did and bought a house and like you know got to a stable place and it's like okay let's try this again and we had just started to try that again putting out a new record about this tour again you had done one night in san francisco one or two nights like we played the last night for uh it closed for no more shows and it was scary you were about to go out on a big tour on this album yes and then everything shut down holy shit hello covid and then we became like we're texting back and forth and then we started playing code names together and zoom yeah through zoom yeah was it every thursday or something something like that like a bunch of people on zoom that was so nice yeah um for someone that doesn't know what code names is like myself what what are you talking about it's a uh not a board game but it's sort of a game it's like deduction okay yeah you've got a grid of topics that are laid out and you've got a card that has uh your clues that you want your team to guess okay and you bonded and here we are yeah yeah family yeah we've done a bunch of fun stuff thank you for helping out with the show so much oh my pleasure i love this show it's really like you just like slip into things so well oh yeah you know music's fun if in that way it's great i i've yeah managed and the only job i've had where i've like had to you know withhold taxes and things was working with special needs kids and i did that like for a year and other than that it's been all music uh all the time i played in church gigs and did that and i was in my christian adjacent emo band phase like all of us here together yeah and then uh and then uh yeah and i carried on you know what was the work you were doing with special needs kids it was an adult transition so it was 18 to 22 years age and we'd go to the community college and just swim laps and i had this amazing student named vitaly who's who was like six three big russian guy and he was just hilarious and he was like i don't know i don't like any you know 20 year old kid he just was obsessed with girls and cars and he was really big so he wasn't he was just uh he was a little he was a little like intense you know so it was good i would kind of like hold his hand and we'd just go anytime a pretty girl he would notice i would just be oh yeah yeah and like just pull a full distraction yeah but we would have so much fun we'd swim and i'd swim laps in the pool and he would just try to chase me and and dunk me that's amazing i felt fine like i i can and it was more just like sounds so intense i love that i love that though because the only very specific people can do that kind of work like you have to be a specific person a good person to do that we had a really great group called the high rollers which was part of like a it's like young life do you know what young life is so young life is like a sounds sort of yeah it's very it's it is churchy it's another like church thing um but it's it's like a non-affiliated it's like not officially affiliated to any church but it is kind of like that um but they had a like um differently abled like youth group called the high rollers and we would sing tom petty songs oh if heaven is anything it's either like just after 9-11 u2 at the staples center or or this high rollers thing which is like completely insane. i'll take high rollers yeah yeah it's like like just the wildest loudest joyful yeah my um my big crush at high school did free falling for the telling quest oh yeah and that song has just always been like oh my god what a song what a song it's a great song yeah also i knew i haven't thought about that bono thing post 9-11 right there long that was that was a big moment man so good okay so look the whole purpose of this the whole purpose of this show is a we get to listen to some amazing music which we'll get to but also i want to learn about american culture um from our various guests and i understand that you have had sort of a brush up with the sort of american health care system yeah it's a big thing but i understand you've had like a very specific uh run-in i have yeah and i'd like to learn about that and i think rob rob probably knows a bit more than i do but i know nothing yeah let's start with um you know i'm a musician i have health insurance i pay the out-of-pocket obamacare health insurance but i'm also in texas which is not exactly the best at uh affordable health care just this you don't need to answer this but just for a baseline what do you pay for health care roughly like a month right now we pay about 800 a month two adults two kids yeah okay it's a lot of money okay continue yes yeah several things are not covered in that and finding a primary care physician is an absolute nightmare uh within that system so much so that you know you just call down this list and none of them in the list none of them except what your your insurance is exactly so finding somebody to okay you to go to a specialist just that part is is days of effort so that that was my experience i had some back shit in america and i had insurance and that was my first kind of shock here is oh i've got insurance but finding someone that knows what they're talking about to see you it's this whole other thing yeah you're not then picking like who's the best doctor in my area that i'm going to feel most comfortable with it's just who will see me and take my insurance so this won't cost a ton of money answer in texas nobody nobody not only that it's like they may take that specific insurance but then there's like a notch next to that specific type of insurance and then it's like oh you're not that and then they'll accept you they'll take or even even then they'll accept you they'll take you in they'll provide their services for you and then after the fact tell you that oh that wasn't covered by insurance so here is here is a bill which supposedly there's uh no surprise bill law in texas i don't know if that works i'm at the point now honestly where i just go oh come and get me try to try to collect i have i've uh i also have a homestead so that like they can't come collect my house yeah yeah yeah yeah you're kind of like fuck it yeah yeah because i mean that's just how the system is has made people resort to at this point you know yeah so what what happened to you where you had to delve into the system and get help so because life is good until something kind of comes at you and you need to get help and you need to get help and you need to get help and that assistance yeah uh stuff was going great i was like on track to be able to run a marathon for the first time like in the shape of my life and we had decided no more kids and i will say this to anyone that listens that uh getting vasectomy is not getting your ears pierced at the mall it's not the same they try to sell it to you like it's like a minor not insane thing turns out it's just they try to sell it to you like it's like a minor not insane thing turns out it's just they try to sell it to you like it's like a minor not insane thing turns out it's just they try to sell it to you like it hurts and it hurts for like uh a week yeah right okay you know and you're sober at this point so yeah i'm sober at this point so i took uh i had my partner uh managing the drug the pain medication and i had like i i was scared to death of that part yeah and then as soon as i thought i like could bear the pain those went in the trash and far from my eyes which felt good um and scared to death of that part yeah and then as soon as i thought i like could bear the pain those went in the trash and far from my eyes which felt good um and then as soon as i thought i was scared scared to death of that part yeah and then as soon as i thought i was scared to have that in the house scary to have that in the house scary to have that in the house in a house with two small kids yeah oh yeah in a house with two small kids yeah oh yeah in a house with two small kids yeah oh yeah totally totally freaky wait so so wait what totally totally freaky wait so so wait what totally totally freaky wait so so wait what was the procedure like are you awake was the procedure like are you awake was the procedure like are you awake like with a gown over you or are you like with a gown over you or are you like with a gown over you or are you knocked out i'm awake knocked out i'm awake knocked out i'm awake i'm lying down there's a the doctor and lying down there's a the doctor and lying down there's a the doctor and a student and he's a student and he's a student and he's ironically he's showing this person how ironically he's showing this person how ironically he's showing this person how to do this procedure to do this procedure to do this procedure um and he's like oh and the um and he's like oh and the um and he's like oh and the the the left one went great supposedly the the left one went great supposedly the the left one went great supposedly and then the right one he had like had and then the right one he had like had and then the right one he had like had lost it and had like found this thing or lost it and had like found this thing or lost it and had like found this thing or found the thing he needed to re-sew up found the thing he needed to re-sew up but you're you're awake as your balls are cut i'm watching them do it you're watching i'm numbed up and then i'm just sitting there going so there's two there's essentially two snips one for each testicle exactly and then they sew it up yeah there's like some sort of key pipe maybe the two testicles joined into the one i mean that's kind of what i thought yeah yeah two snips yeah okay i should have done more research in exactly how this works but they do two incisions or they they fillet open your zone and then they sew it up basically so that your sperm is not passing out your okay in through the testicle yeah stay tuned for more flightless bird we'll be right back after a word from our sponsors on any journey using uber it helps to know you're getting into the right car pin verification adds an extra step to make sure your ride is your ride before the trip begins your app gives you a unique pin just tell it to your driver and you're good to go driver and they'll enter it in their app before the ride can start hey what's your pin two five three eight that way you know you're in the right car taking the right trip and your driver knows you're the right passenger make sure your ride is your ride with pin verification from uber one more way uber is putting safety at every turn learn more 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going to start kind of like bringing it back here and uh i started feeling all this groin pain and then all of a sudden i start getting like these i got a scrotal infection which is so gross i'm sorry even like i don't like hearing just scrotal infection you don't need to say it again okay cool we won't and then the editor can beat that i think we need to leave it yeah i'm so so it was it was pretty gnarly and then i was like no no and i you know go straight to my urologist i'm like what the hell is going on i remember this period because it was getting large right yeah i yeah i remember hearing from you that like i think my face timing i think my balls infected it is yeah getting enlarged yeah it was crazy and that's one part of your body that i find like if you're aware of anything happening down there yeah that's our sensitive zone totally just it's our sensitive zone it is it's what produces and sends off all of our testosterone around our body which regulates everything for us being guys you know and yours was growing mine was uh yeah expanding at a rapid rate in a unhealthy situation and so uh you know go straight to my urologist i'm like what's going on and he's like oh you know i don't know it's you know maybe you worked out too soon which i didn't uh this was the guy who performed the surgery it is and then he gives me some antibiotics it clears up we're cool and i'm like okay and i take another like month-long break from running i'm just like i'm not doing anything until this is except tour i was on tour but i wasn't like i wasn't lifting or doing anything extreme stuff i wasn't doing any extreme stuff and then it got infected again and then i was like there's something something is like wrong like light bulbs are going off and i get i do another course of antibiotics with this same urologist and i go i'm gonna get a new urologist and i get a new urologist and start talking i was like i think you messed it up like like i'm wrong because the second time i was on these antibiotics i actually like i'm like super freaked out that i'm gonna become resistant to antibiotics if i keep just like having these things and it's like a third and it's like and then it happened a third time even like the er nurses are like this seems like a malpractice situation you should probably talk to a lawyer the last thing you want when you're trying to get like your balls attended to is like you should talk to a lawyer and i'm in the and then i'm talking to my new urologist and it's like yeah well we'll take a look because they we made a plan we're gonna open me up and take a look and see what the deal is and so this is like for like we had to let the third round and the third round when i took some antibiotics and i like passed out like it was really extreme i don't know if it was a response from the antibiotics because the first course of antibiotics didn't work So they gave me another antibiotic, and that just cooked my body. The testicle had turned into the size of a small peach. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, okay. And what size are they normally? Like the pit of a peach. You know what I mean? It just grew, man. So we did a surgery only to, like, it was basically an exploratory surgery where they were going to fix what was wrong. They had done, like, an ultrasound on it or something, and it was like clearly it had been, or what it had looked like was it had been sewed too high up or something like that or in the wrong place and was cutting off the circulation, and basically blood flow was making it in but not out. Oh, my God. It was just trapping blood, and then the blood was, like, causing the infection. That was the working theory that was explained to me for what that was. Horrible. So I have this surgery. He's going in with the intention of fixing it, only to realize that it's, like, from these multiple infections that have happened, it's just, it's like a grenade went off in that zone, and he's just like, the only solution is to take it out. But we didn't have that conversation before I had the surgery, so I had a surgery only to just go, well, we got to have another surgery. You're getting charged each time. I was getting charged. This is the weirdest part of this whole scenario was I was going to get charged, and I was going to get charged for all of this. The nurse, after I woke up, was talking to me, and he just talked to a lawyer. And then my other urologist comes in and is basically like, oh. Your new one? Yeah. He's like, man, there's just no way to prove anything. And I was like, what? And I ended up talking to two lawyers who both miffed me off, and it turns out in the state of Texas, it's, like, they're just like, you won't win. Right. You can't prove that. It was malpractice. Yeah, yeah. It's like something just, something went wrong with your body in the process. I need another urologist. It was sort of random. Yeah. I need another urologist to be like, this guy messed up. God. He did it wrong. And you know what? Maybe they did have a conversation, and he was probably like, yeah, I messed that one up, man. It's on me. But tell you what, I'll cover all his medical expenses, because my medical expenses for those initial surgeries, gone. I don't even know what happened. You don't know this for sure. That's just a theory. That's just a theory you have. That's a theory I have. There is no reason why these bills would just go, bloop, disappeared. Yeah. So weird. So we come out, oh, Lord. I come out of this surgery, and the doctor's like, it looks like a grenade has gone off in your scrotum. And he's like, we have to take this out. And I was like, why didn't you take it out? He's like, well, we didn't talk about it beforehand. We have to take what out? My testicle. Yeah, take out my left testicle. I gave up my left nut for this whole situation. It's horrible. Because you're asleep for this one. I was asleep. They knocked me right out. Yeah. Was there any discussion when they said, we've got to take this testicle out? Was there any discussion of like, is there another way? Or at this point, we are being in so much pain. Just get rid of my left. I've got my right. I'll be okay. That's the idea. It's basically like, well, you got the right one. It's doing good. It ought to come in and like work a little harder to level you out testosterone wise. Holy shit. You're probably going to have these. We're going to have these recurring infections until we take this thing out. So I recommend that we take it out. So we did it out. What was it like waking up to that? Oh, it's just like, I had another vasectomy. Your third vasectomy. Yeah, third fricking surgery. Do they give you a replacement, like a fake ball? I had the opportunity to, and I really wanted to get like a D and D dye, you know, or something cool. And I, that got next really quickly. It's like, you can't put that in your body. And now, you know, when I look at myself in the buff, it does look, it does look weird. Not worth cutting it open for a fourth time. It's not worth sticking a new thing in there. Yeah, completely. I could have done it, had I made that decision, they had like a prosthetic option, but I don't know, like just adding another thing. That's like one more thing to break in there. You completely. And I just want it peaceful. I have a friend in New Zealand who got testicular cancer and one testicle got removed. Mm-hmm. And he had a replacement, the fake testicle. He got one that was too big. And so he had to go back in again and get one that was a good size. So maybe you dodged a bullet there. And then the crazy thing with him is he then got testicular cancer in the other testicle. No. So then that's a whole thing. Yeah. And so that had to go, two fake testicles now, but no testosterone being made. So he has to have shots or patches to basically top them up with testosterone. Which is this whole other fucking mad ball game you have to play. Oh man, I have so many questions for him. Yeah. Yeah. And when, I'm sure, I won't say his name, but when I work with him. Yeah. And. It's not me. Depending. I work with him. And when he gets, and he openly talks about this, he finds that he's got a really good attitude to it all. But when he first gets that testosterone shot. Yeah. It's every three months. He's like this horned up. Teenager. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he is fucking going for it. And over that three months, you can just graph it. He just drops. He's just chillin'. And so when you try and work with him, you try and work with him when he's kind of in the middle. 'Cause then you don't get horny teenager. And you don't get deeply tired, sort of unmotivated. Yeah. Testosterone's this fascinating thing. It's crazy. It's wild. Yeah, I've been on a whole journey with that too. And with it, on the one hand, it's like, I certainly felt a testosterone drop from the whole, of course. Yeah, of course. You've lost it years ago. I'm half the man. But it's-- You're still a full man for us. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. But the, it's weird, but it's also like, oh, I'm more serene, I'm chill, I'm chiller. Yeah, cool. I feel, on that end, it's cool. But on the other end, it's like, oh, my metabolism's slowing down. I feel just, I feel more lethargic, also. I don't feel that same, like-- Interesting. Get up, pick up and go. That's wild. It's crazy. And so, I tried to, I tried a few different avenues with this, like, I tried to do the Ozempic route, 'cause I was like, oh, well, if I just address the metabolism part, that would be great. And then I sent myself to the hospital. That was right, that was right before our Dallas. Oh, man. Right before our Denver show. That was so crazy. He almost had to miss the Denver show. I didn't know this. 'Cause he was in the hospital. He was in the hospital. I got a stomach bug where, like, when you take the Ozempic, a lot of times, it can cause, like, this, like, intense heartburn, and you have this acid reflux, and that's what helps you not wanna eat food. That was happening the day I was supposed to, like-- Jesus. Come up, you, like, gradually raise your dosage. And it was, like, the time I raised my dosage was at the same time that I had, like, a stomach bug. And so, I just could not stop puking. Just combined in a horrific way. Yeah, it was just, like, I couldn't hold water. I couldn't just drink simple water for five days. And so, I ended up having to do two trips to the ER with, like, IV bags, and it was, like, a whole nightmare. Fucking hell. Somehow, you trooper-ed it through and played a show. Well, that, yeah. Like, a day later. It was crazy. After an ER visit. Yeah, ugh. Would not have known if I didn't know. Yeah. When was the operation to remove the testicle? That was in 2023? Okay. So, be managing it through, sort of, post-COVID, getting through that shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, when you think of that original operation, we're gonna, you know, they're, like, we're gonna have a simple, look, it's a simple thing. I've got my kids. I don't have any more kids. I wanna do the responsible thing. Yeah, totally. It's, like, a little snip. My thinking has always been, it's, like, a very simple, unobtrusive thing, which you've just, I've just learned from you, it's not all that unobtrusive. Nope. It went sideways. Like, how do you feel about that, looking back at that now, and is there anything you can, sort of, do, or is there any kind of revenge? Oh, basically, what I'm saying, do you, I love revenge. Like, name that doctor, and be like, "Hahaha!" No, but, like, do you feel that in you still, where you're like, "Fuck all this," or you're done now? I think now, I think that that doctor, especially because, like, the bills I didn't pay, I am gonna chalk that up to, like, there was some, like, behind-the-scenes conversation that they tried to go right by that. But also, but also, like, now I'm paying out-of-pocket, like, no insurance is gonna cover testosterone therapy. Period. Uh-huh. Just because it's, that's. Yes. Completely. It's a different camp. There's too many people, like, abusing that, and even though I have a really valid reason, if I could find, like, even if I could find a primary care physician to, like, even say I could, there, there just isn't. So. Yeah. I can't find that guy. It's a, it's a whole, like, the whole system is just built to make me pay out-of-pocket and do the, I'm either gonna, right now, I'm taking. This is a segue, but right now I'm actually taking a pill that tells my pituitary gland to make my right one work more, and so hopefully that will work. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I've tried the, I've tried the syringes, but I just, two are too much, and I don't wanna travel around with syringes and be in a hotel room and deal with that. Yeah, what's interesting, when I, when I traveled with my colleague, had to have it on ice, had to have, like, the, the testosterone there. It was a nightmare. Such a pain. It was really difficult to do. Yeah. It's this whole other bit of weird admin in your life. - Yeah. - Fuck no. - Life in pharmacology, but that's everybody. now uh or at a certain age you know these these this is just part of getting older i guess you know there's things start to fail and go wonky yeah but i feel i feel lucky that it that if this was my you know if this was my thing that's okay i'm all right i've like i still i still feel like i've got my cognitive vibe going i i get to play music i can still sing i can still travel around and uh harass rob hollis yeah fucking beautiful yeah if i didn't know any of this i would think none of this was a reality like you're doing everything you seem fucking great you don't look like a guy that's only got one ball you look like a two ball guy david's trying to say that's what i am actually what i'm trying to say anytime somebody says anything that's plural i like to be like i'm a little triggered by that i've been looking at this bag this whole time that's sitting next to you is there anything in there oh you wanted a snack david loves snacks and he loves for you i brought you a guest bring him a snack so i'm just trying to learn about your culture the culture being the united states of america yeah which is fun because i brought you something super american well i brought you something one testicle one left testicle it's a testicle it's actually hawaiian but it's still american because it's hawaiian um some beautiful sushi yeah no it's a spam musubi have you ever had spam musubi no i have not had really no you've not had no i don't know what this lady this lady in court hawaii which is the garden island of hawaii she came up with a brilliant lady spam is spam is uh you know it's kind of hard to get meat on an island and so spam you know about spam it's in a can yes spam in a can that's right i don't know what spam is besides it's fish in a can no it's ham pork oh it's ham it's yeah pork okay i'm learning yeah i mean i also i should say that every other new zealand will know that i'm just a fucking idiot of course so i'm not representing new zealand yeah it's just said of course i'm a fucking idiot but here and there's some i think that's uh this is sort of i mean it feels it's wrapped in seaweed it looks like sushi but this is a bit of spammy ham in the middle this is one of calvin's i'm gonna pass you a bit my my son as well loves this and is obsessed with it okay stay tuned for more flightless bird we'll be right back after a word from our sponsors using uber it helps to know you're getting into the right car pin verification adds an extra step to make sure your ride is your ride before the trip begins your app gives you a unique pin just tell it to your driver and they'll enter it in their app before the ride can start hey what's your pin two five three eight that way you know you're in the right car taking the right trip and your driver knows you're the right passenger make sure your ride is your ride with pin verification from 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about it what's the thing that you love i love that it's a food mashup uh you know it's it's innately hawaiian oh yeah yeah yeah i know it's so good what's it called again spam musubi fucking beautiful so this lady she just came up with this idea back in the day in kawaii and it was became the snack and it has just been uh slowly but surely making maybe she came up with it in the 70s because there's a lot of people who are like oh i don't know i don't know a lot of japanese folks in hawaii so and sushi is really popular but ham spam is like just the cheap meat that anybody can afford and it's so it's like a cheap sushi delicious little snack this is so good it's the best thing my son oh i'll take one my my son anytime i make him spam musubi at home he is always walking around bragging to his friends i got spam musubi it's so amazing calvin has a spam musubi t-shirt yeah i got i got him on a net yeah it's his favorite food yeah it's the best kids lunch too because this will keep in a you know in a bag or whatever where did you get this pack from i got this actually i just knew it would be fine because i'm i would i've been in norwich county all week seeing my family i live in texas but i grew up in southern california i was in a worship band with a whole hawaiian family in lake forest that's kind of amazing completely amazing actually it was um extremely evangelical really fun get to getting to go to like a luau in lake forest and eat poi and feel the ohana vibe is so dope and my dad my dad is one of three brothers they grew up uh on oahu surfing and doing all of that because navy brats but um yeah so hawaiian culture is just kind of one of those things it's like you know every californian just wishes they were a hawaiian really cause they are the coolest it's fucking delicious thank you i think best snack that's coming i think my best snack we've had so far of all the snacks i mean this is great delicious i got it in a spot in anaheim and it was just this lovely japanese dude running it and you know throw a rock and there's good hawaiian food in orange county thank you i like it with sriracha which you don't know about sriracha what no it's a no i don't you keep talking about it i know i can't their factory's not far from here we need to do an episode on kind of sweet spicy hell yeah and garlic yeah that's what sriracha is it's garlic chili sauce okay and it's made in california yeah it's a california invention i mean we want to do an episode on it i emailed i didn't know what the fuck it was rob said email the factory and i emailed them and that went they're like we're not doing tours right now because they had a problem right yeah they had a shortage oh and they think had a shortage so it's from thailand their neighbors got gassed right like from the yeah oh yeah i got pepper bombed really but something like that right yeah i think there's there's also oh i love like a very cultural like hipsters in the early 2000s loved like they've made a doc on it where like i knew people that had keychains with sriracha that just like everything they ate they poured it on yeah sandwiches it does make every sandwich taste better okay another amazing california condiment that doesn't get as much love as sriracha is uh pepper plant sauce or like the hot sauce pepper plant which is from gilroy the cap the garlic capital of california it's like the garlickiest hot sauce and you put that on anything and it just changes it really i mean i love garlic yeah it just molecularly changes the taste of a burrito or a sandwich you know any kind of egg yeah these are great tips yeah these are great tips i don't want to derail the conversation it's like another topic because all these things are amazing there's a bird on your um your forearm is that a roadrunner it is yeah okay so that's i feel like that's a very american bird oh yeah i just know it from the cartoon where the coyote is chasing it yeah this is the one that can run through paintings what yeah well like when the coyote he makes a painting and then he can just run what are you talking about yeah yeah um metaphysical creature i like that bird i feel like we should i feel like it's an american i feel like it's an american bird yeah it is an american bird have you seen one i see them all the time i've seen them all the time i have one that lives in my backyard uh uh i named him alonzo get out yeah what how big is a roadrunner they can get pretty big like a chicken yeah chicken basically like a like a chicken like a jungle fowl okay kind of chicken and are they as far are they fast can they go fast yeah i'm here because i went on a road trip because i had somebody shape me a surfboard i'm i'm driving through the arizona desert um on monday and a roadrunner ran across the road in front of my had no problem i thought you were to say it ran up next to you like waved and they were like anvils i was dodging these anvils coming out of the yeah so just last question on your arm can't they they can fly or they just run they fly like a turkey or a chicken kind of flies they kind of great right they run really fast and then they kind of like they open their wings and they glide upward they also use their wings in this they i think it's called a sea in aviation where you're flying and then you invert and then you flip right and they do this like flip motion with and use their wings and it kind of stuns uh the lizard it's trying to eat like in a hole you know and it'll just do this like flip thing and then it'll just go and grab the lizard it's so cool yeah yeah yeah okay they're really they're really curious they're super chill uh-huh you know man why did you get it Tattooed, particular reason? I just like to run and I see them all. the time and yeah if i was gonna pick a spirit bird it would be that one that's a really good tattoo thanks it is a flightless bird i mean that's what i was getting yeah yeah yeah give it to me it's it's america's best flightless bird this is really good besides david besides me you're the world's really i don't know new zealand's sick of me because i keep getting facts wrong about new zealand i'm being accepted slowly into america i think yeah um people like the new zealand accent i think because of flight of the concords and their positive associations lord of the rings maybe australia people are liking more and more so they're just confusing yeah wow that too right i mean that's cold it is cold it's really fucking cold wow i'm just saying you're at like a gas station and someone hears your accent yeah and you're like oh they like me more i don't there's nothing to do with australia it is purely new zealand you motherfucker i have a new zealand question please so i probably won't know the answer great well give it to me one wrong answers with david ferrier here we go uh so australia has a bogan we have a redneck oh yeah do you what do you what we have bogans you just call them bogans yeah bogans we're listening to metallica we're drinking like rum and coke we're listening to a lot of tool yeah uh just getting fucked those are all great things yeah i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm just yeah yeah that's a deeply new zealand and australian thing great and we celebrate it good yeah yeah we love the bogan yeah the thing about bogans is i feel like politically they're kind of neutral whereas i feel like in america the redneck goes more right leaning whereas i is that right or am i thinking so living in a in a pretty hard red state yeah yeah but in the purple dot but i also live an hour outside of that you know that very purple dot it's like this libertarian zone ah the libertarian so it's it is we have some pretty forward-thinking you know crusty redneck dudes uh-huh um you know we have a pride parade and we have we celebrate fourth of july a bit too much also you know it's kind of both yeah yeah well no maybe similar to bogan yeah okay traditionally a redneck would be more right leaning yeah fair to say like when redneck you would be like you would assume that that person voted for a certain orange person yeah maybe that's the case with bogans as well i mean it's also like a very white culture like bogan culture is very like white leaning for sure as well that's like a big thing yeah yeah i mean i'm i'm essentially i think i have a lot of bogan elements to me i love metallica i love tool i love roman cokes yeah i would happily fit in with bogans i think there's an element of celebrating our base silliness yeah yeah yeah completely as suburban whites yeah just like yeah we love the bogans we love the bogans and speaking of um bogans and they're gonna play some music yeah you've got some music for us i do um you're gonna play us three tracks yes can you sort of explain the story behind the first song you're gonna play because i understand there's like a bit of a narrative there there is a narrative there and it's also an old song um which is fun it's an old delta spirit song uh and i wrote it about a girl i was dating who went on to uh dance at jumbo's clown room in los angeles here in la i don't know about jumbos you were pretty excited about i heard you say jumbos earlier so i haven't been to jumbo's clown room but i have a lot of friends that go there yeah and i understand it's like a very iconic strip joint in um close to where robin is in los feliz somewhere yeah it's like central um and it just sounds like a very iconic like good clientele like kind of divey and the answers sound fucking cool and it just not it's one of those strip clubs it's not like a leery vegas kind of a vibe it's like it's but i've never been but i just hear good things same and i and actually um it's funny when i wrote this song i was definitely in a different space in my life and understanding of what that is and she's actually stayed there over this whole time and has made a career and it seems to like love that aesthetic and culture and how long has she been there for at least 17 years that's fucking amazing yeah and she's still crushing it my friend texted me the other day and he was like oh she's still dancing that's amazing yeah yeah so but when you so when you wrote the song though you're a bit like fuck you just broke up so i was sad it was basically i'm breaking up i remember it's like you know you're not as sad as you think you are and she's right i'm not i'm i'm way too optimistic and happy and she was like really into like vampire goth and white zombie and like heavy bands and stuff and i love all of those songs and i love all of those things yeah oh man but there was a beauty in her that i that i really enjoyed and it was i was mixing it up with a lot of different gals at that like just from different walks of life at that time in my 20s and she was a really interesting character that uh that walked into my life and she's still an interesting character just really great thank you for coming in yeah thank you for the food this is this was 10 out of 10 thank you no notes yeah good deal this one's scared crow oh scarecrow you know why i must leave all the weight you bear you cannot carry me you know you're just like your mother had your bags all packed to go and you hid your heart from everyone you know you say you'd never love another unless they bore your own name though you can they trample on you just the same oh i gave my love to a heart that i'm told in the blackness of a scarecrow you cannot hold well i'm red in the blood that i've drained that i wasted in a rain so well it loves to take your picture and he loves to worship you well if you can't see it then soon you will you frequent the same strip club you love to watch the ladies dance you always knew i don't do like that and well i was out in scotland you were out with him and he took your shot and you threw up your limbs oh i gave my love to a heart that i'm told and the blackness of a scarecrow no one knows and i'm red in the blood that i've drained that i wasted in a rain you deserve applause for splitting me in two i count you on the list of a mortal few you deserve applause for splitting me in two you deserve applause for splitting me in two you deserve applause for splitting me in two and i hope that you were happy i could only wish you the best for your beauty vacant sitting in the west and this may just sound redundant because you've chosen your own fate there was more to you than just some pretty face i will give my love to a heart that i wish i will give my love to a heart that i wish i will give my love to a heart that i wish will cause the blackness of a scarecrow you cannot kill well i'm ready blood that i've drained well i'm ready blood that i've drained well i'm ready blood that i've drained that i wasted that i wasted that i wasted waiting for her rain that i wasted waiting for her rain that i wasted waiting for her rain uh parallel lines uh parallel lines uh parallel lines ♪ So in tune with mine ♪ It's lifting up my skin ♪ As if your teeth were sinking in ♪ You're reading all my thoughts ♪ Sharing all my prayers ♪ You understand the cost ♪ Please do not despair ♪ ♪ ♪ You are the treasure in the sea ♪ You are Venus in repose ♪ I'm the vessel that you fill ♪ I am your guard and undisclosed ♪ ♪ I am your guard and undisclosed ♪ ♪ You shelter me in mist ♪ Before it had begun ♪ You're rising in the east ♪ Now I'm flooded by the sun ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Parallel lines ♪ ♪ They got you on the run ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ You'll never need me ♪ I needed signs to know what we'd become. 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