Neil Warnock: he’d fookin’ die for you lot

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Tom Cowan, who's a play under walnut got Huddersfield recalled walnut making his plays drink Sherry with raw eggs before matches. Before matches. Yeah, he'd bring it a bottle of Sherry and eggs and pour out a short glass, put a raw egg in an air to neck it. And, apparently this was absolutely horrible. Like players were throwing up in the toilets and they absolutely hated it. But, they went on a 15 match on beat and run and warlocks are really superstitious bloke. And, once they started winning he was like, "Alright, we've got to do the Sherry and eggs every week." And, the players have already reached the point where they were like, "Guys, we've got to throw a game here." I can't be doing this every week. There's another time where he, he, they went on a 20 match on beat and run. I don't know which club and he said, "I'm not changing my pants after the last game." Yeah, to wear the same pants for 20 games. Does that include the days in between? Yeah, six months, isn't it? Yeah. He's surely not wearing them during the week. He's not like, "No, I'm not taking them off at all until we leave." Surely, it's just his match day attire. Oh, yeah. Which is bad enough for itself. By the way, isn't it? 20 wears. Yeah, not for me, Clive. Yeah. Yeah, is he washing them in between the matches or is that part of the. No, I think it's lucky he's sweating there. But you also in this right from the, right from the start really, he gets known for these really vicious bollackings of his players. So I could just play this first clip, which is from his time at Huddersfield. I think it's like a half-time team talk. The second goal. The first goal. You in the softest shit. You're letting this fucking back into the half-earned. Ei voi, ei ole luaaaa! You're a fucking Latvia. - You, you're a fucking Latvia. (laughing) - So good. - I'd love to have context behind that because I've seen that clip and it is a thing of beauty. But you do wonder why Latvia is the blot, Latvian is he the Latvian international who signed for Huddersfield? Or is he just, it's just the furthest place away you can think of? - It's just a fun place that he could think of. - What was it? - Yeah, it's like being on the moon. Also, at the beginning of that clip, which wasn't shown there, he starts at the players' file in a half time and he's in the toilets of the dressing room with a cup of tea, just standing over the urinal, sipping his tea, preparing himself for the baller king. - There's a good story from when he was at Sheffield United and he was given them of similar style, baller king, where this was post-match. So he was, again, absolutely drenched and he was taking all his tracksuit bottoms off and whatever, as he was baller king them. So he was taking all his clothes off and the lads apparently couldn't actually focus on the fact that he was shouting at the ball and he was going, "Yeah, and you, as he was taking a sock off and thinking, "No, it's surely not." To the point where he was, stark, baller king naked, blast him with the baller king. And that was there, that was like a, "He's surely not, no way, really." I hope, yeah, he is, yeah, the tracksuit bottoms are off, yeah, the tea shits go, just stood there and apparently he continued this thing for five or 10 minutes before then going into the shower. It's just nature. Yes, and he said, "Right, I'm going first "to win straight at the shower." That's how he ended it. Well, do you think this was like a symbolic removal of the lucky pams? (all laughing) We can finally say goodbye to this. (all laughing) I'm not sure I feel about managers showering with the players, is that a normal practice? I can't imagine Pep doing it, can't I? Yeah. So, who's it James Milner who went and to, as like a sort of show of respect, he went and showered with the other team after a game? Was it James Milner? I don't know, Teclo and Rory. They played West Ham played Kidding Minister and the FA Cup or something. And there was an interview with the manager afterwards being like, "Oh, it's a great experience." These are the kind of things that will live with my players for the rest of their lives. They'll be telling their grandkids about it. You know, Decklin Rice came in, he's showered with the boys and it was a special moment. (all laughing) What a true professional, what a gentleman. (all laughing) They were showered with us. Did he just walk in? Was that a command of ads? Yeah. He's emerging them telling their grandkids about it. So, you should have, do you remember the time? Do they ever tell you about the time I saw Decklin Rice's knob? (all laughing) He also used to do it as well. The needs to get his kit off in front of the players. I only, yeah. Which is, it must be a generational thing that, can you imagine that? Can you imagine a good club? Can you imagine Mick Elot? I had to do it. Yeah. Not with Netflix cameras in there anyway. Would sell a lot of streams. I, the Bielsa one, I think he got naked and got given a massage naked while bolicking the players. It's something like that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that is what, that was war knock to it, yeah. Yeah. Just some love doing that. I'm not sure it was a regular occurrence, but it was definitely something that he didn't think twice about doing. So, in 1999, he gets the big job. He's done, he's done well in the '90s and he's sort of been a bit of a journeyman around various clubs. But in 1999, he gets the Sheffieldy Nights' job, beginning an eight-year era of, a glory, occasional glory, should we call it? And a lot of laughs for the neutral. And probably for the fans. Oh, certainly. Yeah. And actually, before there were kind of languishing around and had been in the Premier League a bit, but hadn't really done anything. Attendances dwindled a little bit. And from what I gather, I was a little bit too young to remember the start of Neil Warnox, glorious reign at Bramor Lane. But I know that the attendances went up by five to six thousand instantly. The second he got the job for home matches. And that was just because some of the things he said in the press when he first got the job and he was talking all about, "I'm going to get it back to where it belongs." And all that. And people were buying into it and straight shooting. Bloc, who's obviously got Sheffield connections and had been raised in the area and that kind of thing. All of a sudden, then it's like, wow, we're going to get back in and then signing these big, strong players and just kind of building that. What we now know as being his blueprint for in inverted commas success, that was kind of where he started that. And that was obviously great. So yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into this, okay? The Warnox effect. The Warnox effect. And as part of the Warnox effect, obviously he's got win over the squad. And there's a story from around this time where he takes them on a team bonding trip to a bowling alley. And he passes round to Hart and says, everyone stick to any quid in there. We're going to have a whip round. Winner takes all, so everyone puts 20 quid in. And then once all the money's in, Warnox pulls out his own shoes and bowling ball and proceeds to shoot an almost perfect game, 250. Didn't tell them that he worked at a bowling alley for two years and it's almost a pro. So that gives them a pretty good flavor of his kind of mischievous fun side. I think the world gets a really good sense of what Warnox can be like at the more high pressure moments in 2002, which is the battle of Bramble Lane, famous game. So the blades are trailing West Brom 3-0. They've had three red cards. So it's very much game over. It's 86 minutes gone. The match is sort of dwindling to a finish. When they've already got away with a couple of near red cards after this, which probably would have caused them to forfeit the game. And then suddenly, Sheffield United suffer two quite convenient injuries, which means they're down to six men. And the ref has no choice according to the rules to abandon the game. So after with literally a matter of minutes left to play, the match is abandoned. The Sheffield United fans are celebrating, but obviously the West Brom fans, manager players, are incandescent with rage. And it becomes a huge, huge scandal. Warnox later complains that he's been accused of more crimes than bin Laden, which is a year after 9/11. So bin Laden is top villain. And in the end, he gets a ban for it. They're fined and actually the FA award the 3-0 result to West Brom, which is possibly fair enough. But it becomes this infamous match. And it kicks off an amazing feud with West Brom manager Gary Megson, which lasts like a lot of their career. A few years later, Megson tries to shake Warnox hand before a game. And Warnox just turns his back to him, refuses. And when the press asks him, he says, "I wouldn't shake his hand in a million years. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire." So it's like proper vitriol, which is maybe a side of Warnox. We haven't covered that much so far, which is, he's quite a bitter man at times. I think so. Yeah. And he doesn't really suffer fools gladly, or indeed take people who are going to badmout him lightly. And that was a little bit of extra spice with that, because Gary Megson was an ex-Chef your Wednesday superstar. So there was already a little bit of hatred towards Megson, I think even before the Battle of Brom all day, just because he was quite a polarizing character when he played for Wednesday. And then obviously comes back. And then is it right at the center of this quite controversial match? It's the only game that was abandoned, I think, in football league history, for a lack of players on one side. Do you reckon it was very much a deliberate? It's hard to say, I think some people who know Neil Warnox very well would say absolutely no question that he was trying to get that game replayed. And let's get it abandoned. I think others were saying, maybe not. Was that ever going to likely to happen though, because I'd have thought if one team sorry, I can't fulfill the match because they don't have enough players, then that's their problem really. And you're 3-0 down. I mean, common sense sets. You know, surely every onlooker in the country is going to go, well, they've had it abandoned, but they were 3-0 down, just give him the win. Surely, right? Especially the letty was like 80 somethings a minute, wasn't it? So yeah, I'm not sure. Who knows? That's what happened. Yeah, that is what happened. But I mean, Chris Crate drama, which is something-- I mean, he does repeatedly in this era start these feuds with other managers. There's a pretty amazing season where Warnox takes, she definitely united, to the FA and lead Cup semi-finals in the same season, right? And they get drawn against Liverpool and Arsenal. Can't really ask for bigger games. And I imagine he's exactly the sort of manager you want for a Cup run, right? It's real, like, momentum, emotional stuff. The results don't go to plan. So they lose the game to Liverpool. There's a nice moment during it where he gets into a fight with Liverpool's assistant manager, Phil Thompson, who's known for having quite a big nose on him, Paul Phil. And Warnox tells him on the touch line, you can fuck off Pinocchio. Get back in your fucking cupboard. I try to love. They lose that game, don't they? Yes, they do, yeah. Yeah, in the second leg, Michael Owen scored, I think. Michael Owen of all people. Yeah, he scored a good goal, and the goalkeeper wasn't 14. [LAUGHTER] It was actually a very fat Paddy Kenny, I think. Yeah, but that was, yeah. But it was, you know, that season, actually, they got to the player final as well. So that was three finals, all, which, or two semi-finals. And then the player final time, I mean, three huge, huge games that he takes us to. And the blades hadn't had that for 15 years, prior. So that was like a really big thing that he did. And you're right, you know, for a cup run. Because the thing is talking about, you know, pre-match, obviously, before you're playing Arsenal in an FA Cup semi-final, all the chat is about Henri and Burkamp and Vieira. And Warnox would be obviously talking like a fan about it. So he'd be saying, well, big guns will be out on Saturday, you know, and all that kind of thing. So that was the kind of stuff that-- people, I love that as a kid. He talks like the bloke who sits behind me in the ground, in the ground. And that was what it was. But he used to really kind of love that battle with those big name players because he knew that he wasn't on that kind of level. There was no even slight element of delusion in his mind that he was going to be a top, top, top manager. And I think he was thinking this is about as good as it gets. So we might as well enjoy it whilst we're here. And that's what's quite nice. They're quite tight games as well, aren't they? Yeah, really tight games. So Arsenal beat Sheffield United at 1-0 at Old Trafford, obviously, before the Wembley semi-finals. It was Wembley still being built. So it was at Old Trafford. And the goal was controversial. It was Graham Paul, the referee, who then later goes on to have a big feud with. And he made lots of choice comments about Graham Paul afterwards. And it was actually Graham Paul, wasn't it, who coined the phrase or the name for Neil Warlock? Colin Wanker. It was a hole, which is it was Graham Paul after that, after Warlock's comment. So it's an underground of Neil Warlock. Yes, that's right. Yeah. So he said the nanogram off Neil Warlock, he's Colin Wanker. And I was in light of what had happened in that semi-final way. One of our players had the ball. He ran into Graham Paul, dispossessed, asked to went down the other end and scored, slightly controversial. And then the dying embers of the game, a 40 year old David Seaman makes perhaps the best save you've ever seen. He can YouTube it, fantastic. So that's, yeah, there was that that whole little run was awesome. And that really catapulted him to like kind of legendary status, certainly in my mind. Yeah. He really doesn't like that nickname, Colin. He hates it. No Warlock. Because he can play in the back. And there's a clip I actually haven't seen it of behind the scenes. I think he's waiting to be interviewed for a match of the day. And he says to somebody, tell Gary Linnicka to fuck off. He always calls me Colin. This is like years after he's once done it. Yeah. He holds grudges, doesn't he? Yeah. Which I like. And there's a feud around this time that develops with arson venger again, which maybe like you say is almost like, let me pick on the biggest name possible, because it's going to kind of elevate my rep as well. Correct. Yeah. I mean, if you're attaching your name to that, you see that a lot, don't you? Like when like really small fry sports start to start a feud and you think one earth, could that possibly be about and that's like, well, that's another one from Warlock's box tricks, isn't he? He's he's picked the perfect one because there's already a chef of the United Arsenal rivalry because of that 1999. Is it an FA Cup game where the ball goes out for an injury and Karnu from Arsenal, do you remember he just takes the ball and scores? Yes. And the result stands, I think, doesn't I think they the two teams, I mean, this wouldn't happen now, but I think the two teams agreed to have a replay. And that was venger. Maybe it's first a second season. And he apparently Warlock's accusation again was that venger had told Karnu to run on and onto it in score when it was going to be a pass back. And I think that from then on, that was it, you know, it was in Neil Warlock's bad books. And obviously he had, you know, a lot of success. Ashton Venger and Warlock thought, right, I'm going to click on to the co-tells of this guy. We're going to hammer him every week in the press. So that's how it that's how it works. And he gets lucky. They keep getting drawing against Arsenal. So 2005, there's another FA Cup game against Arsenal. And it's two intense matches. It goes to a replay and a penalty shootout. And it's also the setting for an amazing pre-match talk that he gives his squad for the Arsenal game. I think we've just got to go out by all means enjoy it, but enjoy it by being fucking disciplined here. The quick free kicks what they're on about. You know, it'll be down in the fucking sea. The ref warmecan retake it. Well, so that's like the setting for one of the most iconic Warlock lines, enjoy it by being fucking disciplined. But it works like the side. He just gets the team to rise to it, doesn't he? Those players, by the way, they are, I don't hate saying this about professional sportsmen because they're better sports people than any of us in this room. But they were awful footballers, but particularly when you think they got a draw against Arsenal at hybrid. And that was an Arsenal team where they had, you know, Burkamp and the Aero and all these names, like I mentioned before, Martin Keone and these types of players in those squads. And he was getting these quite closely thought results. And this was not long after the invincible and that kind of thing. So he goes, wow, how does he manage that? He also says in there, he also makes reference to what I was just on about in that same team talk where he says, 'Yeah, I'm going to be a pick, because all fucking big guns will be out of it for that.' And sure enough, they were. And I think perhaps Burkamp maybe who came off the bench for that one, started at Bramble Lane and that kind of thing. And the hidden that was a victory. And I love that. I love that. He knows his level. And this, yeah, he's a fan. Yeah, of course he is. Yeah, brilliant. He wanted to see him. He was probably excited to see Enrique starting against Chris Morgan at centre. You know, that's the kind of level that we're on. Fair play, re-play Anna Futeh out as close as it comes. Around this time, Warlock gives up his habit of giving team talks naked, which is fortunate, because the camera has rolled up to film a documentary tracking, 'Chef Rijanata' 2004/5 season. Yeah, it's this kind of fly on the wall style. It couldn't be more mid-2000s, like even right from the start, it begins with this black and white montage of Warlock giving out his bollockings to players. I think the overwhelming impression that you get of him is incredibly intense and very angry person, which is really shown in another clip. So there's a part of the documentary where 'Chef Rijanata' play a way at Millwall and it's a really tempestuous game that it all kicks off in the tunnel at half time and Kevin Muscat, a Millwall player, headbutts Paddy Kenny, and they both end up getting sent off. So 'Chef Rijanata' don't have another keeper on the bench, so Phil Jaguielka ends up going in goal and 'Chef Rijanata' go down but turn it around and win 2-1. And as the players are walking off at the end, this is what Warlock says to the Millwall players. Jody, that serves your right for fucking Muscat, that serves your right for Muscat, that serves your right for fucking Muscat, that fucking serves your right way. So he doesn't pick a keeper on the bench? No, and then I think this happens again the following season and Jaguielka has to go in goal again. Yes, it's in they have like a memorable, they finally beat Arsenal when they go up to the Premier League the following season and in that game Paddy Kenny the goalkeeper gets injured and there's again Warlock hasn't got a subkeeper because he says I like to have an extra forward which is mental. How much you twice in two seasons mate. And Phil Jaguielka goes in sticks again and they win one meal against Arsenal, which must be like famous. Yeah it was famous, it was a guy called Christian Narde, a French player who rounds Colo Tore and then just slips it past Jens Laman and obviously Bramolena Rupps. But yeah, I remember Paddy Kenny, he was quite in an injury prone goalkeeper, always kind of hobbling off. I think perhaps something to do with his conditioning Paddy Kenny. But he so Jaguielka comes on and we were used to seeing that. It sounds crazy to say that, doesn't it? That actually is a supporter you were going, oh yeah, Jaguielka is on again. You know, for most other teams this would be once in a lifetime thing that they're seeing but actually for us it was, yeah, well he's going in again. He actually makes a really good say from Robin Van Persie's, yeah, it's one over the bar diving backwards to keep it at one nail, incredible. So Warlock there, that kind of ridiculous decision-making was actually justified there. Yeah, quite. Was part of the reason he never picked a subkeeper because he knew he had Jaguielka, who was handy. I think he's obviously started doing it messing around going in goal and training and then obviously thought he's actually all right and Warlock's the cogs have started to turn out and then, who needs a sub goalkeeper and we can have Neil Shipley on the bench. Doesn't it? Did they have a backup keeper in the squad? Surely this backup keeper isn't too happy when he's just like, what am I doing? What am I even doing? I'm coming to training. It's bad enough being a reserve keeper, but you're not even, you're being Jaguielka in goal ahead of me. Yeah, and even Paddy Kenny's a bit like in the doc you see after the middle will win. Warlock's like, right, we don't, Jags are going in next week, can't change a winning team. Paddy Kenny's just sitting there looking slightly affronted. But he has this amazing ability Neil Warlock to make you feel like 10 men. All the players say that who've played under him and again another endearing thing is that he would walk up to players and just be their best friend if he knew that he needed something from them on a Saturday. So there's a really good one when he was at Roderham later on in his career and you might remember that Roderham were pretty much at the bottom of the championship table two or three months left of the season to go. Warlock turns up. He was only turning up twice a week to train it. He turned up on a Thursday and a Friday, basically rally the troops and then ended up finishing about mid table, Roderham. Incredible, like an incredible run of games from a team that looked completely destined for the drop. And he walked up to Greg Halford who hadn't played the entire season for Roderham at that point, probably 35, 36 years old, getting on a little bit. I made it a utility player and he'd had him at Sheffield United 15 years previously and he walked up to Greg Halford on his first day and said, I need you Saturday, you're starting. And that was it, you know, from then on in this guy he played every game, it was like a machine and that's the ability. I've got one where he actually came up to me doing a bit of media work where I was doing a TV show in Sheffield locally and he arrived. This was when he was the Roderham manager actually set that similar kind of period. And I had Mike's girlfriend with me at the time. She was sat on the sofa and I don't know why she'd come to kind of see that particular night. She's obviously a secret and you're a warlock fan. And she thought, you know what, I'm going to sit here and I'll just keep out of the way and whatever. So warlock comes in, how are you? Oh, you're looking fantastic tonight and all that and he's touching my shirt. Oh, you're looking wonderful. Going to get as a cup of tea. Is that your Mrs over there? I'll go and talk to her. She's much better to look at than you are. And all that. So we went over and started having a chat to her and then afterwards we went to the pub. We always went to the pub across the road just for a quick pint and a little thank you to the guest and warlock came and we were chatting away through three or four of us in there. [Music] [Music] - beneficial coach! - Good luck. Good-bye! Look, "Will you了吧 the schwa出來 lug?" - The office number came 5/15. - Pumpeo tried to stop us. Here I got 52. I paid 25 millies of ahí, exactly. 355. Let us get out of here later. Let's party! Paravorakao's housecar Helsingista Taiturusta, Tallinxilia Pistefi. And he just pulled me to one side and he went, "Hey, I thought you were fantastic, you son." "Hey, in a few years' time when I'm sitting at home on the sofa and I'm dying, I can just point at you and I'm telling and I can go, "Hey, Sharon, I fuck you knowing." But I walked out of that pub feeling like ten-metre. I thought I had a run-through brick wall strip and that's just what the award-ox like. Unfortunately, I'm yet to get the TV break through. - He hasn't retired yet. - Yeah, he's still doing it. - He's been doing it for a few years until that scenario goes to fruition. - That's so good. - Oh, I got the charisma in action. Some people don't like the award-ox, though. We should acknowledge right now. For example, he finally takes, - Jeffrey, he knighted up to the Premier League in 2006. - Yeah. And you go straight down, we'll come back to the circumstances of that in a second. But when it happens, relegation day, Sean Bean, who's obviously local celeb, and I think he was a director at the time of the club, honorary, maybe. - Yeah, something like that on the board, yeah. - Game of Thrones star Sean Bean, a major Hollywood actor. He burst into War Nox office straight after the game and launches a foul mouth to raid. And in front of War Nox's wife and kids, he says. And Bean later says to the press, "A lot of fans refer to him as Colin Wanker and I can see why." So what's going on? Obviously you're relegated, but you know, he took you up in the first place. Where's the negativity coming from? I don't know. I think there's obviously a few stories about him being a little bit of a wheeler dealer. War Nox used to always invite the managers in for a drink after the game, as is quite customary for that old school type of manager. The difference being is that a lot of the managers didn't come in for a drink, because they'd invariably fallen out on the touch line, or just think he's a bit of a knob anyway. So he used to ask for a rider, like a rock star style rider. So he'd sort of write down a sheet of things the week before the game. Some lucky would go and fill up his little fridge in his manager's office with, you know, a few beers or whatever. And again, this comes from a very good source. Somebody who used to sit in his manager's office week in, week out. And he would fill out this rider. And he would say to the lad who was collecting the order. He'd say, "Well, Big Sam's coming, actually, we're playing Bolton on Saturday." So I tell you what, Big Sam, he likes a beer. So get six beers in, I'll be around the only stay for 15 minutes. There's managers. So he's Mrs. He'll be there and Mrs. Orsch, he likes to serve in your own block. So get a couple of bottles of that. My Sharon will be there. So get that red. And actually, they're always coaching stuff. Oh, they're good lads. I tell you what, let's get a bit of bubbly, bit of bubbly in for them. So this fridge every Saturday would be stocked up with low to beers, low to wine. Whatever it was, champagne, all the rest of it. The managers, the coaching staff, they would never come in. If they did, it would be one beer and off. One ock, then used to get this sauce of mine's son, who was about 10 at the time, he'd say, "Can you just take this carrier bag as son?" And there's my car keys. And what I want you to do is whilst we're sitting having a glass of wine, just fill this plastic bag up, just put all the beers and all that and put, make sure, in fact, tell you what, make sure that fridge is completely empty. And then my car's that orange Persia over there. So if you could just go and stick it in the boot, there's a good lad son. There's a tenor in it for you. And go, "Oh, brilliant, there's a tenor in it for me. Would he ever pay him the tenor?" No, he wouldn't. Woodward Warnock's car be filled up with booze every week? Yes, it would. Would he probably sell it down the pub? Maybe. Lots of little stories like that. Did it end badly with the fans when he left then? I don't think so. I think people really disappointed the fact that he obviously had this incredible amount of success taken to the Premier League. We got relegated on the last day of the season, which we're about to come onto. But so it ended in quite like, you know, it was fine margins. We were close to staying up. And actually it was like, really? So that last day of the season was make or break in terms of Warnock's future. Does he quit? Or does he? It's all a little bit. I think there was a feeling that they wanted to push him. So perhaps he then just kind of took his ball home. I don't really know the ins and outs of how he left. I think there's about a million and one different versions of Warnock's perhaps is definitely not correct a version to believe. So they get relegated by Carlos Tevez goal for West Ham on the last day of the season, which is controversial because Tevez, possibly the way West Ham bought him was not legal, right? There was some joint ownership. So yes, so the FAA ended up going back and basically saying, no, that was not right. And they got fined retrospectively for it. Not as much as they perhaps should have been. So his talk of obviously then being Doc Poinson was being reinstated. It was really contentious. But there was no doubt that it was having a Mascarano as well. And Carlos Tevez. Tevez scores the goal at Old Trafford. They beat Manchester United on the last day of the season. And David Unsworth who used to play for Sheffield United. In fact, earlier on in that season, we sold him to Wigan in January. He then scores a penalty at Bramal Lane on the last day of the season against us to send us down. So yeah, there was like, you know, really fine margins actually quite sickening. Just thinking about it actually. I'm still not over it. Thanks for being here. Sorry to reopen that one. It must be quite painful for Neil. He's obviously spent his dream. His first season in the Premier League denied by really fine margins. And then you've got fucking local legend Sean Bean storming in a ballad. Is he in game of thrones at this point? Either way, he's like a global star. Yeah, he is. Yeah, Hollywood superstar. He'd been in Lord of the Rings and all that kind of stuff at that point. But we always have a joke in Sheffield because Sean Bean dies in everything that he's in. So yeah, I mean, you know, at that point, he'd already been killed off about five or six different football franchises. We didn't know how many more the words to come. He's not always down as he. Do you ever go to his brothers, Kababi? Is it Kababi? It's a chippy. Kababi. Is that Dan Bean? Yeah, he's Sean Bean's brother, right? That's what I've been had. When I was told that in there, I was like, am I just being happy? You're not saying that, he's making me think maybe I'd be had as well, but we'll stick with him. I think he's like a local celebrity, isn't he? Yeah, much like his brother Sean. Yes, less prolific in Hollywood. Anyway, that's the end of the Sheffield United era and then he goes to Palace, right? Which is again, a slightly difficult two years. It ends with the club in administration getting dark points, which is when he leaves. But it does play host to an amazing Neil Warnock moment, which very much belongs in the mythology, which is the night before a big FA Cup replay against Wolves. Neil's wife Sharon has a dream that a fullback scores the winning goal. For most of us waking up to your other half, telling you about that dream is just a sort of slightly tedious encounter that you're hoping to get through. But for Neil, it's inspiration for a major selection decision. Walks into the dressing room and he tells the players, Sharon's had a dream and therefore Danny Butterfield, who's the second choice right back. He's not even like a starting player. Danny, you're on up front, which is pretty shocking for everyone. Anyway, they think he's joking. He's like, no, no, Danny, you're on up front. So Danny Butterfield starts up front and scores a perfect hat trick in six minutes for Palace. Yeah, I didn't know that. You don't know that. No, that's amazing. It was just in the championship. It's an FA Cup replay. I mean, Wolves will be a championship team. I think around then. And it's a perfect hat trick left foot right for head six minutes. Oh my goodness. I think it's the fastest FA Cup hat trick ever, or maybe the fastest hat trick for Palace ever. Something I played most of his career at right back. Yeah. No way. I did not know that. And apparently this is a thing. There's another player I forget who comes forward and says, I want to say David Eiliff, something like that, who says, yeah, I got dropped because I want to share in streams. And I was coming in. I was, I found out I've been dropped the day before and I was coming in for the game. And I was about to have a massive guard war. No, didn't get a chance to speak to him. And the guy who I got dropped for scored. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, charmed streams are powerful things. That's amazing. Just think he's probably still be managing games, but Trinity, if you want to be charred. Yeah, how much of these decisions are her dreams? That's what I'm wondering. And also how many dreams that she have that we've turned out to be people. Blast it before, when my wife tells me her dreams, it's normally that I was horrible to her or something. Yeah. You get kind of blank till day. And I kind of just think it's a fucking dream. Shut up. So impressed that he sets so much story in them. That is so good. There's another really good preseason story as well, where he, I think it's either chef of the United or QPR, Paddy Kenny tells the story and he takes the squad to Cornwall near his village and they're playing against Bodmyl. just like a small team. And just before the game, he brings in this 14 year old boy and the boy's dad and he says, "All right, Lads, this is whatever his name is." He's gonna be playing the last 20 minutes for us. And everyone's like, "Well, he's 14 year old boy. What are you talking about?" Anyway, the kid does play the last 20 minutes of the friendly, does okay. And afterwards, it transpires that the kid's dad is a painter decorator who had done War Nox House. And instead of paying his invoice, he said, "I'll give you a lad 20 minutes." And he goes, "Wow, it's a currency, minutes, minutes of the top level too." I think it's very valid. So to the palace time doesn't really work out. Through no fault for zone, I would argue. It's financial difficulties. And he winds up at QPR, which is another quite enjoyable War Nox era because he takes them to the Premier League, gets sacked within about four months of getting back into the Premier League. But he's doing pretty well. One of my favorite stories around this time is they played Blackburn and Elhagdjuf is really up to no good for Blackburn. He's playing really dirty. And afterwards, War Nox says, "He's really livid at Elhagdjuf's filthy antics." He says, "You could see what a nasty piece of fish he is. I called him a little sewer rat, but that might be a little harsh on sewer rats." He's like really laying into him. And then the next season, he signs Elhagdjuf leads where he's now managing. - Yeah. - That was a good answer. - You're not like, fuck off me. You call me a sewer rat. - Well, this happens quite a lot. So there, you know, the clip where he's shaking and serves your right for fucking musk at that one. He's, he does that to Paul Eiffel. The following season, Paul Eiffel signs for Shafield United from Millwall, right? Unbelievable. The Jason Punshan slagging War Nox off on a talk sport interview. War Nox then gets a job at Crystal Palace. Obviously works with him coming out, singing his praises. This is obviously quite a theme, isn't it? Like where he just slags off players or really gets into them, but hey, come here son. You'll do a great job for me. And then that's it. All of a sudden, he's back on. And I love that. I love the fact that he's able to turn these people around, you know, from being probably hating him and, oh, fuck you, Neil Warner, what a tosser. And actually, then the end of going off, what a brilliant guy. You can run in through brick walls for him every week. - I think it's just because he wears his heart on his sleeve to such an extent that even if he goes in and you like that, you just know that what you see is what you get. And if he then turns around and really charms you, then it's just impossible not to like him. But he is a grudgeholder as well. Like we've talked about Gary Megson and others. Where sometimes he won't let something, you know, he in the documentary, he falls out with his assistant, Kevin Blackwell leaves to take another job. And most people just wish you well. And War Nox just blanks him entirely. He's livid. So how does what determines whether he holds a grudge against you or whether he signs you the next season? - The Blackwell one was jealousy. So he got the lead's job and leads was obviously, I mean, it still arguably is a bigger job than Chefield United, depending on, you know, regardless of division, you know, in terms of stature. And I think for also managers of that age and that era, leads obviously were a huge force when they were sort of playing and that kind of thing. So I think when Blackwell leaves to get the lead's job, although leads were struggling at the time and blades were pushing for promotion, it was like a real bone of contention. - And it really stays with him throughout his whole career. This sort of quite strange, I don't know, an odd way of being with people abrasive, but funny at the same time. In kind of this late, what we're calling late career war knock. So he goes through this string of clubs. He goes to Crystal Palace, leads, QPR, Rotherham. I think he only spends a season or less at each. And then finally settles up at Cardiff around 2018, 2019. And yeah, by this point, he's really settled into this, like pantomime villain role that he's had for such a long time. But I think at Cardiff, he's in some ways at his best, really, at this snarling, barking character. And there's a few incidents. So a game against wolves were, I think it was quite a fiery game. And at the end, Nuno's wolves manager at the time was following Warlock around, trying to shake his hand and Warlock's just walking away from him and it's quite funny to see, it's sort of Benny Hill, like, you know, following him across the pitch. And at some point Warlock just turns around and barks. Fuck off. And I did that, she was like, all right, all right. (laughing) And also the other one, the game against Chelsea, I think Chelsea scored a goal, Chelsea won one near-death, by a goal that was quite clearly offside. And at the end of the game, the referee and the lines minister standing in the center circle, like they do, and Warlock goes onto the pitch and just stands there with his hands on his hips, just staring them down, shaking his head, until they walk off and, yeah, just giving them this death. - Just seeing that, it's a bit creepy is it? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Brilliant. And the other one from the Cardiff period was the, if you've seen this clip of a camera being shoved in Warlock's face, which they often do before matches and Warlock, there's obviously a little bit of fronted by this and just decides to respond by walking into the camera. It's just such a funny clip. He looks like a bird, like, pecking. - Yeah. - He's got like his hands behind his back, like Liam Gallagher style, but yeah, he's just punching like a- - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, four point or the Liam Gallagher music everywhere, and they, which was quite a quite a sight. - It was like the iconic Warlock little gift video. You've probably seen it around if you're trying to imagine it. - Is he just like, at this point, just fucking around for a laugh? 'Cause it gets quite creative. They're like pecking at the camera, staring down the officials, or is he genuinely angry? - I think you know now, like, he knows now that he's got this reputation, right? So he's got this, he knows the legend is there. He knows that people are talking about him and loving this kind of stuff. And he's not daft. He's always cultivated the media quite well. He's always said stuff to protect the players. He's always said something really outrageous so that actually, you know, take a bit of a spotlight off. I know he's really good like that, but I think because of that, he's savvy enough to know. I remember when he was at Middlesbrough, and he was wearing the bicycle helmet with the big bifocal glasses, and he was cycling along. And these Middlesbrough fans driving past him as he's peddling along on this little sort of fold up bike. And they go, "I love you, Neil." And he goes, "All right, son, you know, and that kind of thing." And that is, I've spent a little bit of time with Warlock, and I know that he's playing up to things and doing things like that. He's got to be, hasn't he? He's got to be. There's no way he's actually liked that. Maybe he's just shit-housing. Yeah. That's what I love about him. And I guess over time, it's like, at the time when he was bolicking people and stuff, it was probably less appreciated, but with the distance of time now, people just lap it up. Yeah, correct, yeah, yeah. Like us. There was such a nice story from his Middlesbrough time, as well, where it was during the COVID lockdown, so obviously he couldn't do his signing autographs for fans before games. So he filled up his little bum bag with photographs of himself, which he'd already signed at home, and was then going around the trading ground, giving them out. (laughing) - The arrogance. - The arrogance. - It takes a bit of confidence. - So we'll crown with that bum bag full of sign photos. - Takes confidence to wear a bum bag. (laughing) - Imagine leaving that bum bag on the train with him. (laughing) - Oh, fuck. (laughing) - So you know the clip I wanted to play from his time at Middlesbrough, where he does a forest gump impression, describing his team. - I was watching the forest gump last night, Mark. You know what, I did see that one of tourist films. And he said, I thought just like myself, it's like, my team is like the box of chocolates. You never know while you're going to get. - You've got an empty box of chocolates. - Yeah, it's, so I thought, well, instead of life, he's like a box of chocolates, he's my team. (laughing) - Always get when you need to explain your dad. - Yeah. - Also, he just pauses waiting for the laughter and it's just silence. - Some bloke nervously laughing on the Zoom call. Oh yeah. (laughing) - Why is he doing that's about impression? 'Cause the way he says, what you're gonna get, that's kind of, most people don't factor that bit into their forest gump impersonation. (laughing) - Brilliant. - How old is he? - He's 74, I think. - Yeah, something like that. - Yeah, getting towards the territory of being one of the oldest. - How old's Roy Hodgson? - I think he's 76. - So that's okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which is great, isn't it? I want to know from your side, why do you two at Upshot Towers love Neil Warlock so much? - Because he's not like the previous episodes. He's not like the wrong ones. He's not got the soredid weirdness about him, is he? So what is it from your side? - He's got weirdness, got plenty of that. But you're right, there's no like, chagging. There's no like, there's no darkness about the man. - Oh, they're really, it's so, I mean, he's just delivers endless funny moments, it's the truth, and he's got that flavor of how football used to be, that you really feel as slipping through our fingers and you wonder, are they gonna be these kind of managers ever again? So I think both that sense of, they don't make him like him anymore, the kind of nostalgic element, and just him constantly leaning towards comedy, even when he's angry and being a bastard. For me, that's just such an amazing cocktail. - Yeah, I mean, he's just pure entertainment and gold in terms of sound bites as well. Like the things that he comes out with are just hilarious. And yeah, like you said, he's just, he's different from most of the characters that exist in football today. It's just, great to have him have him there. Also James, this is more than a Tits and Bums podcast, you know, we don't just do shagging scandals. I'm a bit disappointed to be on the first one that isn't. We've got to shagging when you've done it. Wow, we can't team back home. If you want to pick a really sorted one from. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Go for another, it doesn't have to be Yorkshire either mate. We're not looking to catch you. You know, you could do more than golf and Yorkshire. Oh, dear. I think there's a good war not quote to end this on. So war look, I mean, he's 74 now, he's getting on and he's talk, he jokes quite often about not being around for much longer. And there's a great quote from him that he's talking about his death, I guess suppose. I don't want silence. I want them all to be chanting War Nox the Wanker over and over again for a whole minute. That would be my ideal. It's kind of beautiful, isn't it? It is poetic. Yeah. poetic. I'm sure that he would get his wish as well. Oh, yeah. I have a couple of lots of people. A few grounds. Yeah. Well, it seems like a lovely place to finish. So, James Grant, thank you so much. Thank you. I've enjoyed it and I've enjoyed it by being fucking disciplined. And say thanks very much. Thank you. And thank you for listening. Cheers. What are these Koreaniths? What are Colombian people? Who would like to approach a Korean schoofer as well? What usefulness for Korean men cook? Each of you have to guide and learn Korean. What do you offer for your Zealanders? As this year, I was busy learning Korean women's languages. I have searched in the past few weeks. Whether or not she is reading or sunglasses,