Nasty Boyz of the Summer + Dynasty Depth - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Betts and a Baller. [music] Welcome in! You nasty, nasty folks here. [music] Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast Borg Betts and Jason. It's something nasty, boys. I mean, this is. I've seen the names on the dock. It is disgusting. Open here. This is where we like it. [music] Every year, I wonder if it's time for us to get dirtier and dirtier with the names that we select. And I feel like we were somewhat tempered and then I saw the end of the list. And I wonder, there will be people on this podcast to say that guy is in the NFL. That's where we're at now. Nasty. Some of these guys are going to be future UFL stars if we're. I mean, if we're correct. If we're right, this is what's going to happen. I look back at last year's list just to give people a tease. If this is your first time with us, we are glad you're with us. We do this episode every single year where we identify deep, deep players that either are on your bench or sitting on a Dynasty waiver wire that hopefully can hit. And last year's list, I just want to give you the list because it was. Maybe our best year ever, which means we'll probably go like, "Oh, for eight this year." Last year, we had Bill on the list before he broke out. Guys. Bill was. Real Kroski. Sean Tucker, who. Okay. Yeah. We had like those two weeks, those three weeks, maybe whatever it was. Jason had Theo Johnson, who if you don't remember, he might have been the best part of that offense, like in terms of pass catcher other than Wandaile. And I went back and watched a lot of film. Jason, I've watched some Dart film. And for a while, those two were connected. Yeah. Yeah, they were. They had a good run. I mean, obviously no neighbors for Dart, but yeah, now likely comes in and Theo's dead. Another name, Woody Marks. We talked about last year on the podcast who had usable weeks, super inefficient, by the way. Terrible inside the five. But I think people got some usable weeks out of Woody Marks. And then the last name that we mentioned is now kind of sad to bring it up. But Aronde Gatson was a fifth round pick last year by the Chargers. It's not sad to bring up. It's sad to bring up. No, no. It was a huge, huge hit. Aronde Gatson was good and is good. Now, the 2026 version of the Chargers clearly want to run the ball. They brought in two other tight ends, two other tight ends that are playing ahead of Gatson. I definitely think right now in a redraft setting, Gatson takes a hit. He's tumbled in my rankings. But I don't think dynasty-wise, Gatson's talent will get him on the field. And I don't think that Najoku is a long-term fix here. And as the season goes on, I would not be surprised if Gatson emerges as the better pass-catching option there. We'll see about that today. We'll see. Because I think tight ends might be my favorite position to identify the nasty boys with. They are fun because they're the grossest. They're gross and a fifth round tight end, I mean, what's the hit rate over the years on our fifth round tight? It's like you get guys like Kittle and then basically nobody else. So it's not great. We'll go through the list today. We'll give some of our favorites. Mike gave us a couple of ones that he's had his eye on during this part of the season. And then we will get to hear from the foot clan as well. They will throw out some names. I know next week after preseason, there might be some new names that emerge. Like somebody's going to say, hey, why didn't you mention this guy who caught a touchdown in the preseason? Why aren't you hyping him up? I feel like over the years, Jason, you've been really good about banging the drum of saying like, hey, preseason touchdowns, preseason hype. Don't always buy into it and dynasty. It's like free. It's value that you're gaining. Yeah, I mean, obviously you can you can trade players off of a good preseason performance. And you get you get more information. I think the real lead that you don't want to bury here is simply that there is preseason football this weekend. Like coming up right now and a lot of teams are coming out that Jets, the Cardinals, the bangles and I'm sure plenty others are going to follow suit saying, hey, we're playing our starters. So you're going to see real football this weekend. I'm excited. Can't believe it's here. Yeah, and I know Betts, your job is probably the not fun part, which is to monitor all the injuries leading up to this and then throw cold water. And that happened in the week. Yeah. Yeah. There's always one or two like big preseason game injuries. Like obviously there's training capabilities. That's all happening right now. But there's always one or two in the actual games. A couple of years ago it was the Hollywood Brown shoulder injury and it just happens. Jalen Mcmillan right last year. So cross your fingers. Hopefully they're not on your team. It happens this weekend. But yeah, NFL football is back. Super exciting. The bangles went in particular. I don't know how long they're going to play their starters, but just think about the Joe burrow years. Like they've always gotten off to a slow start. Maybe this helps. They've been trying a bunch of under center stuff as opposed to shotgun. So I'm probably just trying to work through the kinks a little bit. But other way, football on our TV. I'm happy. Speaking of the bangles, we have a giveaway right now where if you order the UDK by August 24th, you can be entered into in the ultimate draft kit for life or or a sign. Jamar chase jersey. So we're giving away both those things. The ultimate draft kit for life literally means what it means like you get this for the rest of your known existence. If you're if you pass on your consciousness to something else, do we have anything in our contract for that Jason. Yeah, fits in your will. You can be queen hit to the next generation. But yeah, the ultimate draft kit. It's a great tool. We do this every year at this time. We just do a giveaway. Someone that gets the ultimate draft kit. Right now and basically you've got about two weeks to get it. And then you'll be automatically entered to just have it forever for the rest of your life. Also, if you're a foot clan member, the ultimate foot clan tier that has the UDK in it, you are automatically entered. So if you you know, if you got that last year and you're just along for the ride, you are in the contest. So someone will get an ultimate draft kit forever. Yes. And you get access to all of our tools, including our new mock draft tool that you can just go to town. You can set your keepers. You can do so many different things to get yourself prepared for your drafts ultimate draft kit dot com. But if you're here, you're here to get nasty. Nasty boys of summer. Oh man. There's certain points of the summer that kind of mark. You know, we're heading towards football season. Preseason is one of the ones you just brought up. It's a couple of drafts. I have some keeper league drafts and auction draft. But this episode does turn the corner of. Remember when we were just talking about guys speculating talking about value. This episode marks the point of saying these are my dudes. And I know the hit rate is really low. But if they hit. It's one of the best feelings in dynasty. It really is. The way for why I was not supposed to have guys that are that are good on right. Otherwise, you're honestly because not doing it correctly. So we'll see. Last year, I think we ran pretty pure on some of these picks, like I mentioned. So we'll see what happens this year. But yeah, look, I think people might get this as far as the expectation incorrect. These guys most likely will not work out. That's the definition of an astie boy. But we've done some digging. Kyle's pulled all the spreadsheets. I mean, we're trying to give our best shot here. So we'll see what we can do today. Yes, we had an episode earlier this summer where we talked about dynasty benches and how to build your benches out. We're even going to step beyond the players that are just filling out your bench, your flex spots. Hopefully, these are players that are at the end of your bench. You could include in a trade. Like the names were bringing up today, Jason. You're not like going after them in trades. You're just saying they're very interesting. If they're on your bench or waiver wire or if you want to throw them in to sweeten the deal, like I'd be interested. I think it is actually sometimes going after these guys and trades. Sometimes it's like what you're saying. This is a good throw in peace where if you're working on a bigger deal, you're like, hey, I want this guy too. And it's not going to like get someone to be no way. I'm relying on this player. None of the guys we're talking about today are dynasty pieces. You're relying upon it's ironic because I'm literally I when you were talking about that. I was opening the page to make a trade offer for the first guy I'm going to talk about because I do think that this there is a. I think there's future value here and unfortunately it's future value not current value, but yeah, I'm. So yeah, no, you're wrong. I will I am willing to make a small trade offer for some of these guys, but you're never going to mention the name of the podcast right. You're just going to tease it and not say it. That's right. That's right. Well, are we into the segment? Yeah, go for it. Do it hit me with one more nasty. All right, I'll uh, since I, since I talked about the guy that I was just going to go try to acquire for something cheap. It's a current rookie. He was not a day one or day two pick. He fell and he's third on his depth chart for a bad team. Sounds delicious, doesn't it? Uh, but it's Nicholas Singleton, a player that, uh, college tape, um, I liked. I know that there's plenty of disagreement out there. This was not a universally beloved player. I forget in the offseason Kyle, were you the one that did not like singleton at all? Or was that you bets? I think it was bad. I liked him from a young past catching. Don't hedge the, yeah, don't, don't hedge all the things that why he's good. You were, you were more on uh, Kateron Allen, right? You're more of a fat man. I think they're both pretty middleing talents of being honest, but I liked it. Nick Singleton is a bigger back that will catch the football. And for what it's worth coming out of high school was a highly touted recruit. So yeah, I'm, I'm lukewarm. Yeah. So he was, he was the number one high school running back recruit in the entire nation. Nick Singleton was coming out of high school. He's, you know, a six foot, 220 pound back. And when a number one high school recruit goes to a large program and basically breaks all the records of that program, um, you know, is a touchdown scoring machine. Was used a ton in the passing game. And like, okay, okay, I'm excited about that. And that's what Nick Singleton was and is. Then he broke his foot during the senior bowl practice. And I think that that obviously did not help his draft stock. You know, he's, he's at camp. He's performing well. He's making some noise. He is, you know, this isn't a long term ACL recovery issue. But the thing is, is Tony Pollard and, and so the, the, the, Nick Singleton was drafted to the Titans. If you, if you don't know who Nick Singleton is or where he is, right now, Tony Pollard and Tajay Spears are in contract years. They are both not under contract next season. This is a young up and coming team. So Tony Pollard does not fit the bill. Like, you're not going to be like, Hey, let's hitch our wagon. I don't expect some contract extension right now coming out for Tony Pollard. This is a team looking towards the future. This is a team with a new offensive coordinator, a new system in place. And so the, you know, Brian Debal coming in, he's inheriting some players and he drafted some players and he drafted Nicholas Singleton. And, you know, the right now there's a beat reporter out of the Titans camp that said that he's getting a lot of run and he could really push Tajay Spears right now for third downs. I think there's a world where he gets more work than we think this season. Obviously an injury ahead of him to Tony, you know, to Tony Pollard could force the issue. But I believe he's a good back. I don't think he is some sensational superstar. Oh, he's got Dalvin Cook's explosiveness, you know, and he's, he wasn't drafted to be that but he is the type of body that can be a three down back. The skill set that can be a three down back. And I don't think he was bad at anything like when I watched his tape. I was just like, he's pretty good at everything he does. He's not a first round talent explosive athlete, but for the Titans, I think he fits what they do pretty well. I think that the future could be Singleton there as the back. And I just adore big bodied touchdown machine running backs that catch the ball. Those tend to work for fantasy football, even if like, you know, I'll, late career Leonard for net was the butt of every joke. I mean, he was like, oh, he's just this. Yeah, he had that dumb truck, you know, back that thing up. So inefficient, so lumbering, not an explosive back anymore like he was, you know, coming out of college. And he scored a ton of fantasy points because he was big. He got touchdowns and he caught more passes than you think he should. So that's kind of the archetype that I see for Nick Singleton. Yeah, I think this is one of those that's like entering week one, week two, whatever. Like he's probably going to be returning kicks for the team. Mike get a carrier to like, you're not getting any work in the early part of the season. But and I'm, I've painted, I think this off season in general, like a positive ish outlook. Hey, what if Kim Moore just wasn't a horrible system last year, they could take us up forward? I think that's possible with Brian Dable. It is also totally possible to see wins like four games again. And in December, they're like, you know what? Tony's not the guy for next year. Todd J. Spears is in the guy for next year. Let's at least give Nick Singleton four or five weeks here at the end of the season. And just give him the the bell cow roll and see what he can do. So their win total is a six and a half. Like the market is not expecting this to be a huge, you know, playoff team. And in those situations, especially with a new staff, we're not really about, like, worried about them getting fired or whatever, they're going to want to get a look at their guys. So I think this is a really interesting take for adding depth to your roster that, you know, you're not going to rely on them to win a league this year, obviously. But just like, hey, there could be end of value, end of season value this year. And also this was the argument last year for Bill before we had the actual Brian Robinson trade. It was like, Hey, nobody is under contract next year. Like he's the only one. And that is basically the case with Nick Singleton. And because of the foot injury and everything, like nobody talked about him, you know, throughout the NFL draft process for the most part. Yeah, I think without the foot injury, he could have made the case to be a day two back. So we'd have a little bit different of an outlook on it. And normally we'd say fifth round running back, we don't care. But his talent profile, especially catching the ball matters to us. And then looking ahead, you mentioned like indices and what if things change? They have a stretch from week 13 to 17 where we're looking at look ahead lines. But all of their games are at least winnable. And you know, a point and a half right now is the spread. We're looking way far ahead, but like Washington, Indianapolis, the Raiders, the Steelers, like all of those games right now, I would say are at least within a fuel goal. And it wouldn't be crazy if he got some run during that end of season. So yeah, I'm not expecting anything for the first month of season. Like I it wouldn't shock me if you didn't see the field at all. But over the course of the year, I can see that I did see a highlight. The other day of him, he ran for a touchdown and then they actually called it right before he hit the in zone like they called the playoff, even though he broke away for the touchdown. But it's it's training camp. It's it's whatever. But like there's juice there for a player and it's hard to find that in this mix. It's really hard to find it in this year's running back class as a whole. So I feel like you've been consistent, Jason, from scouting him to even right here in the opportunity like this at least sets up better than what a lot of fifth round running backs have. Yeah, I mean, obviously the down the case against them is he's a day three pick who's third on the depth chart behind on a bad offense. This is nasty. This is getting down in the in the filthy and the mucky muck. You know, but I don't I don't think it's impossible that he without injury is, you know, on the field enough to be like, Hey, in a pinch, I could I could start him this season. And then with injury and or with the departure and the off season of the other two backs, this could be a team that he a backfield that he takes over for a couple of years here. Yep. Let's hit quick break and we'll keep going. We are back and we are going to continue to talk. So bets. Keep it going. All right. Well, I apologize, Mr. Charlie Kohler was not familiar with your game. This man caught a ton of passes in college and it's been a while, right? Like he came out in 2021 out of Iowa state. And when he went to the Ravens, like basically, we just a blocking to that, right? Like would see like 15, maybe 20 targets in a season, best case scenario. But if you go back to his college profile, the man has like 750 yards receiving in a season, 700 yard receiving like three years in a row of 590 plus receiving yardage in for a college player. That is legit. That's incredible. You don't see that very often. So Pat set Mr. Charlie Kohler. It's been a while, but it is in there. And the real rationale for this is right now, I think we're all still a little bit attached to the rendezvous cats and break mini break out. I want to call it a full breakout mini breakout. For that like month stretch last year, but like Jason's out at the top of the show. When we were talking about round of gets and he's actually been running more with the twos and in the 12 personnel sets, it's been more David and Joku. Charlie Kohler. Now this could definitely change based off game plan. It could change off opponent as the year goes on. What have you? But right now, Charlie Kohler is available on a bunch of waiver wires. I actually skipped them up in two leagues just this past week. Just following kind of the camp drum beat of like, Hey, he's he's running with the starters. They asked him about his role this year and obviously the first thing he talks about is blocking right. This is a harboring offense. Like he's going to keep doing those things. But when you think about the opportunity at hand, they asked him about his past catching work. And he said he believes he will get more opportunities this year than he's ever had in his career. Granted, the bar is extremely low again. Like 20 targets in a season type thing. So he doesn't have much room. Or he has a lot of room. Excuse me to to improve on that. But for a guy that could be the starting side end for Michael Vittaino, the chargers and Justin Herbert. That's available on your waiver wire. I mean, he's worth a ad to at least find out if he's the guy. It's wild to think like those Iowa state teams he was on. It was Brock Purti, it was Breeze Hall, it was Xavier Hutchinson, he had Jaylen Noel at the very end, like they had a good team. And he was actually like carrying a significant part of the offense. When he got drafted, I remember us doing all of the production profiles and knowing the name and then seeing the landing spot in the back, oh gosh, you know, it's Mark Andrews. Then it's Isaiah likely and it's like, okay, how is he ever going to emerge from this group? So changing teams is really significant. He got a pretty healthy bag for a player, you know, at this point his career through your extension. And he's versatile and you're gonna see so much 12 personnel, you're gonna see so many two runny backs on the field, a full back on the field. So it does shift what this offense is and what it could be moving forward. Now, you know, how many targets is you really see like you said, I don't really know. But like, there's an unknown here with the Chargers offense as, you know, the running game, everything else. And he's a part of it. So I like this call. - It's interesting because the college receiving profile is so large that you go, he can absolutely do it. But at the same time, when you're going into year five, it's not what he is anymore. So it's like, you know, people change and adapt over time. I mean, it's been half a decade since he's been out there catching passes. So it's like, is he a good route runner anymore? Is he good? You know, my point is, and of course, these are nasty. But I do think that he was brought in to be a blocking tight end. - First check. - I think, you know, when he's on, he's definitely on the field of two tight end sets. I think it'll be, I think he'll probably lead the tight end room in snap percentage. You know, he'll be out there, you know, and then Nijoku and Gadsden can like swap who's going out there, you know, fake blocking and going to run around. But yeah, it's, I had no idea. I did not remember the color receiving profile in college at all. But man, that's been, that's been a minute. You think you can still catch a ball? - I mentioned 20 targets in a season. Okay, that was optimistic. I'm looking at his career game logs. And if these trans continue boys, I mean, we are on the up and up, six targets, nine targets, 11 targets. 15 targets last year. So, you tell me. - Yeah. I mean, it's a stretch. Here's a real question, 'cause I actually have this decision to lead. Would I rather roster David and Joku at this point in his career or Charlie Kohler? - Right, yeah, I mean. Dude, nobody wanted David and Joku in for agency. So weird. - The guaranteed on his contract is booty. It's not much. - And even signed to like, you know, late May. I chose Kohler. - Really? - Yeah, and by the way, he's like, my tight end like four or five on this roster. So I don't like need him to be anything. But when I'm looking at what somebody could be and the guaranteed money, like that was the differentiator. As opposed to me saying, I remember what David and Joku was for the last decade. And he's not that player anymore to me. And it seems like, like have you heard much buzz about him or Gatsden? - Not really. - Yeah. - I'd rather have Gatsden in Dynasty. So I know we poop who'd on him earlier, but it's a fun player. And I think the worst part is that you have three people here who every single year do the same thing with the chargers. If you have, if you listen to Dynasty podcast for a while, you understand that if it's the chargers, all three of us are signing up every single year. And we're unashamed about it. - No, no. I'm in on the chargers. - And if it doesn't work out this year. - It wasn't anybody's fault except for who was it Kyle? You know? - Well, I got a lot of people I can blame. It's obviously not Justin Herbert. - It's out of his. - I mean, I guess that's why I'm blame. - Of course he's on the coaching staff, which is amazing. - We're not going to blame anyone this year. - 'Cause it's going to work. - Come on Adam. Yeah. - We're not here to blame. And I like Justin Herbert the player. He's not perfect. But I think this is, would you say this is the best overall group that Justin Herbert has had as a professional quarterback. So like offensive line blocking Titans receivers. - Right, I definitely think as a team, yes. Receiving core, no. I think when you had LAD in a couple years younger, Keenan and Cuege, that Keenan being on the team was better weapons wise. But I do think that the offensive line is such a difference that, I mean, last year he was just under fire. It was like the ball was snapped and he was moving in a pocket of defenders every single play. - Betts, do you think, like, and then you add in McDaniel? That's another part of the equation that I'm adding in. - I mean, I think I picked some back to some of those Keenan Moore years as well. When like Big Mike was still on the team, Big Mike Willie, and Keenan was in his prime. Those were some awesome teams, but the offensive line wasn't as good as it is now. And Mike Pataniel's, I think, one of the best play collars in the league. And when you have your book and tackles back and you have a play collar that maximizes, I think the system around you and minimizes those negative plays, I think last year's sack numbers are gonna come way down for Justin Herbert. They just have to, right? I mean, so, pull me four times, shame on me, but I'm back in. All right. All right, next one. (upbeat music) I want consistency from an Astie boy. And there are things in life that are consistent. Death, taxes, and Martian Lloyd's soft tissue issues. - Oh no. - I can bank on that. I feel like he's one of those players that maybe you wrote him off in your league and you don't care, and I get it. Because if you wanna go back and watch his film, it's not much, guys, two years, six carries. - It'll take you about 30 seconds. - I would back and I did it today, and I posted it, and the fighting thing is the first carry. He looked awesome. We went on the left side, got to 10 yards, and then I'm rewatching and I go, "Oh, this is a holding call." Okay, well, let me look at the other carries. None of them mattered. And then he limps off the field, and we haven't really seen anything even didn't even play last year. Every report we've gotten so far this year has been, yes, he looks healthy, but he looks like the unquestioned RB2 on the roster, and then he got the bulk of the first team carries when Josh Jacobs was out. We know that Josh Jacobs is out right now with a growing injury. We'll see what else. But, yeah, if there's other things off the field that he's gonna be suspended for it, anyway. Marsha Lloyd is left for dead, and I cannot use any historical data to say, "Here's why he will be good." You can't. You can't use a player that has two years worth. You kinda have to go back to what did you believe about him pre-trapped, and then what does this Packer's team believe? Because they've had so many chances to add other running backs, you know? Like, okay, year one, this dude's hurt. Year two, this guy's hurt. And other than Chris Brooks, there is nobody else on the roster that they have talked up at all, and the other day after he did a touchdown catch, he did a back flip. So you tell me-- - He landed it. This wasn't a scatter boost stumble. So it was a full landed back flip. I mean, it sounds like a guy that's healthy. It sounds like something I don't want him doing. Please don't do that, Mar-shon. - But I don't want him running. Like, that's the problem. I don't want him with the ball in his hand running because I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, you're gonna hurt yourself." - Zero football. - It's a week one. - Nothing's a week one. - This is a great name to bring up because, I mean, I really liked Mar-shon Lloyd. He wasn't my favorite back coming out, but I thought that there was real talent, explosiveness, and I loved the pairing. That was the way that, like, I really liked A-Chance College film, and I assumed I was not gonna be on A-Chance because he was too tiny. Until he went to the dolphins, I was like, "Oh gosh, that pairing was made in heaven." That's how he felt here with the pairing when Mar-shon Lloyd came to the Packers. It was like, "This is the dude they need. They desperately need explosive speed out of the backfield. They don't have it. They've got plenty of good stuff there. Josh Jacobs is reliable and we'll get his yards and can move the pile. But there's no big plays from the backfield and Lloyd would absolutely provide that." So, you know, I mean, look at what John and then Brooks is doing right now. Obviously, a much higher draft capital pick, but he didn't play for two years, and it was an afterthought. You probably couldn't have traded John and then Brooks for a third round pick. No one wanted him about a year ago, right after his second, terror of the ACL, it was pretty much like, "Well, he's done. You six months later, no one would have wanted him or wondered if he'd ever come back." And now he's going in redrafts above Chuba, even though he's still the backup. So, if Mar-shon Lloyd is healthy, which, I mean, in all honesty, he is healthy and he should be healthy, then I do think that he is severely undervalued right now in both redraft and dynasty circles and that will change quickly as soon as he is actually seen staying healthy, if. - Yeah, that point is so well taken to about what Kyle said about just, they've had chances to bring other guys in, like behind Josh Jacobs, and not only did they not bring anybody in, [BLANK_AUDIO] I mean, no Wilson go to Seattle this year in pregnancy. So, Mayo Wilson was the RB2 last year. This opportunity for the RB2 role is wide open. And one thing that kind of flew under the radar this off season, because well, nobody is grounding Marshall and Lloyd injury news in August, or excuse me, in April and May. But I am, is if you guys remember a couple years ago, Christian Watson had the headlines of injury prone, Yadda Yada, like he's not taking care of his body. They're trying to figure out what's going on. He goes to this lab, they test his hamstrings, trying to look at a symmetry Yadda Yada, the whole thing. And we were like, okay, cool, you have a private dude. Was an awesome last year off the ACL injury. Like I think there's, there's something to this. Marshall and Lloyd took a very similar approach this year, like sound like they're taking it very seriously to try to get these injury issues fixed. And I, I'm a believer now, it's like you have to prove it, but that happened in the spring, and nobody really talked about it. So, I do think if he can stay healthy, which is the knock, but if he can, I think they want him to be the RB2 behind Josh Jacobs. And like Kyle said, this whole legal situation is not resolved. We don't know what's going to happen there. There is a world that exists where you're getting some starting weeks with Marshall and Lloyd. And he's basically free in terms of like redraft ADP. And you know, this is a guy that you could say, I would do this deal, but like just throw in Marshall and Lloyd. And they might be like, yeah, fine, let's do it. So I like to call it a bit. - Yeah, just to give you some numbers in Jason's Felix model. Like he was 67% tall, which isn't great, but it's, you know, along the lines of like Mike Washington, Jr., ahead of him, who was a, you know, fourth round pick for the Raiders, ahead of Blake Korum, ahead of Tank Bigs B. It's like this is a player that can have valuable role if given the opportunity. I mean, that's all this is Josh Jacobs has touched the ball a ton through his first seven years in the league. Over 2100 touches only Zeke has touched the ball more among all running backs in their first seven years in the league. So, you know, there's lots of different ways to spin it, but he's basically free. I mean, people, he's become a joke, right? Like every single year of Arshon Lloyd is now a joke. Is he gonna stay healthy? But I feel like this the year. And he's basically free. Jason, you got another, yeah. Another nasty boy. This one is not a, not a rookie and not an injured guy. There's a guy who, as flashed, we have loved him and by we, I mean, everybody, everybody in the world has just been like, man, he should be such a good wide receiver. If he could just catch the ball. He's a Twitter wide receiver. Yeah, yeah, Twitter wide receiver. Don Tavian Wicks right now playing as the wide receiver to for the Eagles has been making plenty of buzz in camp. Obviously, there are injuries that are allowing him to really solidify himself in that wide receiver to role. You know, Mackay Lemon, you expect that they drafted him with the first he's gonna come in and hopefully quickly establish himself as the wide receiver to next to Devante Smith. But Don Tavian Wicks is good. Don Tavian Wicks knows this system well. The Sean Manion is coming over, you know, they trade a fifth and a sixth round pick, four Wicks, give him a 12 and a half million dollar extension, bring him over from, you know, the same system that they are now installing. So he knows the system. Now he's making a ton of waves in camp. He's clearly earned the trust of Jalen Hertz, tons of deep balls to him. And if you look at the last couple of years, you've got AJ Brown and Devante Smith with great fantasy production, great output for fantasy points. I mean, obviously Don Tavian Wicks is no AJ Brown, but my point is more that Jalen Hertz can support and supply multiple good options in fantasy. The opportunity is there for Wicks. And I also think, you know, I was surprised. I feel like, you know, Wicks being traded to another team and, you know, having a couple of years, you know, he's going into his fourth year in the league. He just turned 25 years old. So from a dynasty perspective, if he does establish himself for the Eagles, as like the wide receiver too, you could end up with a guy who, hey, this is like a wide receiver too in fantasy for the next couple of years. You know, I don't think that's outside the range of outcomes. A lot of his metrics on, you know, per route stuff and he has popped analytically in so many ways in the past. He's still young. His biggest issue is catching the ball. That can be fixed. Like that, that is some, you know, get out there with jugs machine. Do you guys see what Brian Thomas was doing recently? - None of you seen this report? - No. So because, you know, another player who was dealing with drops and he was like, you know, he's been working on his drops. So he's been doing stuff with the jugs machine, obviously. Just get one at home and non-stop catch balls. But then he's also like doing exercises with his hands in sand, like in a bucket of sand, catching small tennis balls. And you know, these are things that can be worked on. He's a good route runner. He's a good wide receiver. He's inheriting a role that is vacating a ton of targets, familiar with the system. They paid him money after giving up draft picks to get him. And how he's a great GM, how he finds the diamonds and the rough. And so if how he's given the stamp of approval of saying bring him in, he's making noise, I think there's a name to keep in mind. If you've already got him on your dynasty roster, think you could be a little bit excited and hope that maybe you have someone that you can start, you know, in your, in your flex on a regular basis while McIe lemon works through his rookie season. And the upside case here, I really do think that he has a chance to level up as an NFL wide receiver. And it's rare for people to do that in year four, but it's not unheard of. And what we're hearing out of camp has, has me believing that, you know, he didn't have the opportunity in Green Bay. He was very much mired behind other higher draft picks and, you know, Watson and Reed, and then they spent the first on Matthew Golden. And so this is a fresh start for a player that I think is good on a good offense. And the injuries around him just let him thrive right now. - Yeah, you mentioned some of those Green Bay days. I can like vividly remember several weeks where like, you know, in a redraft league, running into the waiver wire with there's an injury to Watson or Reed or whoever. And you're like, I can't wait to start on TV and Wix this week because he always earns targets when he's in there. Like he said, just the problem is, you know, it's got his football, but he is a target earner. That's what he's been throughout his career. And maybe that comes down if he's running more routes, you know, just kind of uncertain situation. But I do think what Jason mentioned about McClellan is probably becoming more and more realistic as the days and weeks go by where you draft a first round mod receiver, you expect him to play right away. But it's really tough to rehab an injury in the spring, in August, and also learn the NFL and learn NFL playbook while rehabbing. So I think you could get some weeks with on TV and Wix and your flex, like all the way through like mid-October. I think that's totally possible. And then there's also the possibility. Like if he just is playing well and they can't afford to take him off the field, maybe he's starting for the team all season. And then there's also the hidden upside of like, it's a Vantus myth goes injured. The depth chart here is pretty thin behind their top, you know, two or three guys, like Elijah Moore and Marquis Brown. Like they don't really have a lot of options. - There's a lot of even counts. - I don't think so. I don't like even counts. So I think there's possibility that he has a role early on and then there's the contingent. If the other guy's round him get injured, I mean, he's gonna be on the field at times. So I think this is a really, really fun pick. - Yeah, I love you guys talking about betting on target earners as opposed to looking at his biggest issue. 'Cause through three years it's been 23%, 30% in 2024 is outrageous and 21% last year. Those are like really strong marks for somebody who is a part-time player. And so the year and numbers don't look great, but I'd rather bet on those kind of things. As opposed to just, I think this player could earn targets. We've seen him earn targets, just need a more playing time. So that is a fun one. And are you sad right now if you're a Mikai Limon manager? - I have him in Dino Junior and I'm a little sad. - It's not gonna be this way forever, but obviously this is like not ideal. - I mean, it also does not help that Jordan Tyson looks amazing, Carnaul Tate looks amazing and Mikai Limon's just on the sideline. So it hurts, it stings. - Yeah. - All right, Betts, give us a new nasty name. - If you thought Charlie Colar was nasty, get ready for this, Tate end. - I did, I did, think that, Betts. - Eric All Junior, blazing the NFL like he was not aware. And he is a Bengal, a Cincinnati Bengal, a Tate end for the Bengals. This is a fourth round pick back in 2024, out of Iowa, which, I mean, come on, Iowa Tate ends, we love them. He was a transfer from Michigan. When he came out, he had an ACL tear. And so as a rookie, like wasn't really doing too much, but in his first season, started to kind of slowly emerge as an ancillary piece of the Joe Bar offense. And obviously when Jamar Chase and T Higgins are doing their thing, there aren't gonna be a lot of targets to go around. But he was kind of a guy that was starting to ramp up to, you know, 30, 40% of the snaps, getting three or four targets a game and actually started to flash a little bit as a pass catcher. However, He retores ACL. And so he was shut down after 2024, didn't play a single snap last year, kind of similar vibes to like Jonathan Brooks, where the talent you think might be there, but you're not sure, and we just don't have an NFL sample size to go off of. But as things stand now, he's getting some reps with the starters. He has the profile in terms of his size of a guy that can play every down in line, which is not the case with my Gisicke, he's kind of more of this glorified slot wide receiver. And so when I think about his role in the offense, for fantasy, you're pretty much touched on hunting, hoping he gets the starting job, as long as Jamar and Tee are healthy. But I think there's a possibility that Eric All Jr. is starting for this team as an every down player in line, and getting a ton of snaps. So what will that mean in fantasy? Who the heck knows? But just if you can get a potential starter on the Bengals, I'm doing that, especially if he's on the Wavewater, which again, he just was this week, I just scooped him up in a league. So Eric All Jr., check your Wavewater if he's available. - He was dropped, I was like, yeah, I like this one more than the Colar. I mean, it's funny because one is a guaranteed starter who just got a bag, so it makes more sense. But Eric All, you know, it's, we play fantasy. I don't care if you can block. I want you to go out there and catch balls and be on a great offense. And you want pieces of the Bengals. When he was coming out in 2024, my Felix model, obviously had Brock Bowers as the number one, with a 98% tile Felix score. But Eric All was the second tight end coming out, an 80th percentile Felix score. And he was a good prospect that unfortunately had, and Andrew is very similar to Jonathan Brooks. I mean, Jonathan Brooks is kind of that same like 80th plus percentile Felix score guy who tore his ACL twice and you just thought, maybe you'll never hear from him again, but once you actually get back, you're a young man. And this is a guy on a good offense. Yeah, I mean, I do think the issue here is obviously Gisickey who is under contract for a couple more years. He would have to do something special or maybe even a Gisickey injury. But Eric All is a quality prospect. And if Joe Burrow is throwing the ball to him, if he gets on the field, he can make noise for fantasy. I love throwing out tight ends. That could be that might could, then our backups on their own team. That's who he just threw out their bets. But what if he's not a backup? It's so hard. He is currently a backup. And also the hard part is, Gisickey's not really a tight end, right? Who is he a backup to? Drew Sample. Drew Sample sees the field way more than you would think too. But like Gisickey is like a hybrid tight end. And so you're talking like who's gonna start in line? It makes sense. And it makes sense that they're gonna do more under center stuff to bet on a player that you know is athletic and is flashed just a little bit. His target sprout round was 20%, which for a rookie tight end, we'll take that. But he was out all of last year, right? - Yeah, similar to Jonathan Brooks. Didn't play a single snap last year, but flashed a very small sample size as a rookie. And so we just, we don't know. - Yep. - Let's take quick break. And then I have another tight end. I'm gonna throw out there. (upbeat music) I think this is the least nasty pick of any player we're gonna throw out, but so far. - Okay. - I don't know who you're picking. - Yeah, actually I really like this player so he's not nasty enough. - He's not nasty enough. He's actually in the league. I should have picked somebody who wasn't. - Was this a starter? - It is actually. - Oh, ridiculous. - Well, depends on how you look and it's Terence Ferguson of the Rams. - Oh, I wouldn't call him a starter. - Huh? - What? - I mean, how many tight ends are on the table? - I was gonna say they all start. - I was gonna say all the starters. - I think he's, yeah, they're all starters. - Everybody has never massed clear. - I know. I find that so funny because I know you were a big max clear believer bets. And then he goes to this team and it's like, it's good for the Rams. It's good for max clear. But it's bad for fantasy because there are, I mean, they are gonna start playing new personnel groups. We've never heard, you know, has there ever been like a, an '04 personnel group like, - Four tight ends, no. - No water sewers. - Four tight ends, no water sewers. - The problem of this team is like, even when we say 13 personnel, when we say there's three tight ends, Terence Ferguson is not really a tight end, right? We need to give some context to who he is because his eight out last year was 18.3. And that was wildly, like second place, that tight end was Darren Waller at 11.9, average depth of the target. So it's like his role was so crazy compared to any tight end, I even started going back over the last decade. No other tight end with 25 plus targets has ever seen an eight out over 14. And this is at 18 yards down the field. He led all tight ends in the NFL last year in 20 plus air yard targets. But only 60% of them were catchable. So like, if you wanna go back and watch 25 targets, you're gonna go, okay, they designed plays for this dude down the field. And most of them didn't matter at all for fantasy 'cause they weren't even catchable. But the reason why I like chasing this player is because early camp reports have been him lining up all over the field. And then beyond Adams and Puka, who would you guys say is their third pass catcher, like a third in terms of targets or target share? Is it Kyrin? Is it Wittington? I think it's Ferguson. And there's been some comments about that. But like, I'm not saying that he's gonna jump in and take targets away from those two. But like of the available pass catchers with draft capital, with juice, right? Like we know he was great at the combine that kind of helped his stock. He doesn't block at all, which Jason to brought up early, like I don't want him to pass block. Please don't do that. Run down the field. He was asked to pass block on just 2% of his snaps. I think he could be third in their team in targets. If I will say this, if he's third on their team in targets, if Terrence Ferguson is third on the team in targets, he will be impactful for fantasy. Not like he's gonna be up in a traumatic bride, Brock Bauer's tier by any means, but he'll, he would finish as a tight end one. The touchdowns for the tight end position there are great. Obviously you're talking about a powerful offense. It is really difficult for me because when you say who's the tight end, who's the target three on this team? You say it for two different reasons. One is because there isn't a clear cut, you know, third guy and that's the kind of the bull case. The bear case is it's because there are about 12 other potential guys that it could be, you know, Tyler Higby still on the team in Colby Park. It's got the bag and was really good. Those are other tight ends. CJ Daniels, their rookie wide receiver has been making quite a bunch of noise. Waiting 10 is still there. So there's like me and they spread the ball out so much for fantasy of sucks. Oh, agreed. I do agree on that. I'm not missing, but it's so explosive. I think Tyler Higby is cooked, man. I mean, he barely played in the playoffs last year. And Kyle and I talked about this on DFS embedding. When we were like in round 18, 1920 in Best Paul, like if you're taking the Rams players, tack on Terrence Ferguson because I think there was a little signal from the Rams at the end of the season last year that Ferguson was emerging as their preferred past catching guy and don't get me wrong. You will see Colby Parkinson, you will see Davis Allen blocking. You might see a little Tyler Higby, who knows on Max Claire, but like down the stretch, the snaps from week 14 on 64%, 78%, 76%, and then week 17, he had a hamstring injury. Week 18 didn't play. And then it's really hard to trust a rookie tight end to have a meaningful role in the playoffs when everything goes on the line, right? But his snaps were rising until the hamstring injury and then it kind of tailed off in the playoffs. And so is that just McVeigh not one play the rookie? Is that injury related? Who knows? But like I said, I think Tyler Higby is pretty cooked at this point. I think Colby Parkinson will still have a role, but Davis Allen is just a blocker. Like I think it's totally possible that Terrence Ferguson is third in targets here. And I know Devon Tannins was incredible at the goal line last year, they have to have a second plan. Like just the repeatability of what they did last year is very, very hard to do for a goal line wider seabird. And so if some of those end zone targets come down, could some of those go to Terrence Ferguson, I think it's possible. So the tricky thing I think is like, are we gonna know when to start them? And you're done, is you leak? That's the tricky part for me. Probably not. But man, I think there's a lot upside here. So I'm very excited about Kyle's pick. He was fourth on their Titans in red zone routes per game. So like that's the part two, we have to thread this needle of, deep targets, are you on the field enough? Are you on the field in the red zone? Like there's a lot of ifs, but 70% of his snaps last year were in the slot or out wide. So like this is a Micah Sikki player, right? Like that's the archetype of kind of guy Kyle Pits that we're hoping he morphs into. And maybe this is the year, but it's like, them drafting Max Claire to me was like, oh gosh. Mm-hmm. It's like the same draft capital, same player. And like, this was Sean McVase first ever draft pick was Gerald Everett and so on. Gerald Everett, yeah. So I don't really know like what McVase do. I mean, obviously he knows what he's doing. But when 50% of your targets-- They can't have enough. They can have enough good tight ends. Yeah. I mean, they genuinely, they have maybe the best like tight end room in the league and they're now leading the league in, you know, so funny because the McVey lead continues to shift. You know, a couple of years ago it was all this motion and three wide receivers and the rate at which they were out there in three wide were just like, everyone needs to be put more wide receivers on the field. And it's like, everyone does it and he's like, I'm putting more tight ends on the field. Now I'm going to do three tight ends. So you think they keep drafting tight ends this year to switch it back to more wide receivers? Just try to trick everybody. No, I think they're going even further this year. I think that they are going to play so much tight end heavy sets. No running backs, no wide receivers, no quarterbacks. Maybe Arthur Smith's a lot of core man. Maybe Arthur was ahead of his time just to get tight end production everywhere. I did want to give Mike's picks and then we'll get a couple from the football and I just want to get y'all's reaction. So a couple of names here, Mike throughout Seth McGowan, seventh round running back for the Colts. Bob. Yeah, I mean, you need some, I think insurance backs are very important and this is a guy that could be on waivers. If you look at Jonathan Taylor, he's gone down plenty of times. He goes down again, who is the backup? And I'm not convinced it's McGowan personally. It is worth pointing out right now, DJ Giddens dealing with a hamstring injury in camp. So if you see reports of McGowan is the guy rotating in behind Jonathan Taylor, I'm not saying that's only the only reason why, but that is a big reason why right now is because Giddens is sideline. I also think if JT goes down, they could be one of those teams that's James Conner, Trade Benson or one of those types of guys. But hey, if the RB2 is available for Indy on a good offense on your waiver wire, I'm going to add them and find out. Yeah. Tyquan Thornton of the Chiefs, which I know there's people just screaming say, why are you guys not talking about Cyrus Allen? We will probably talk Cyrus Allen next week on our Preseason show, but Tyquan Thornton is going to be a big reason. I mean, he was valuable for them last year. I think it's just hard for me to just say, this is, here's the route. Yeah. I mean, he's on the field. He will run a lot of, you know, nine routes. And I just think that the way my homes and the Chiefs play now doesn't really play to the strengths. And, you know, last year he played 15 games to Jack Squat. So I don't know, this nasty, he's nasty for sure. Yeah, I appreciate it, Mike. Roman Wilson of the Steelers. Oh, man. This one is this is this is this is incredible. I mean, I really liked Roman Wilson coming out. I was a big fan of him, super fast, great hands, basically did everything I like. And then he just vanished completely. He got injured in his rookie season and then got usurped and never, never got back into the flow for this team. They drafted Jeremy Bernard after trading for Michael Pittman. And at that point, you know, you trade for DK Meckaff one year. Then you trade for Michael Pittman. Then you draft Jeremy Bernard. Roman Wilson was like done. I think I, I need to pull up my team to see if I even dropped him. I don't even remember. I cut him in a place. I probably told people to cut him. I got to go see if Mike and I even roster him still because we had him. Aaron Rogers said the other day he's making a play. Oh, I still got him. Oh, baby. It contributing member of your team. Nope. Not yet. Not yet. I mean, you have Felix pulled up Jason. I don't recall where he, where he was in that list when I have it. Because I think we all agreed he was like a solid. We thought he was a solid player who could become a good pro, which is ironic because we actually made the same discussion points around Gurme about like nothing special, but like he could be a really good. I felt my receiver has like a two or a three. They feel very similar to me. Yeah. Roman was not. He's a 45th percentile in the Felix score. So it did not think he was, it didn't think he was going to do things and he didn't do things. And just remember that was before we finalized Felix, right? That's true. Felix didn't exist at this point, but yeah. I mean, his score now based on his college production would have given him a 45th percentile. Dude, Felix knew he knew all along. All right. Couple of quick hitters real quick. Zachariah Branch, I think is not nasty enough, but I think he's a name that could pop up. I love it. George Hullani running back for the Seahawks to see if they integrate more than just one running back. Oscar Delp tied in for the Saints, the third round pick. Love that too. Oscar Delp LaHoyah. It's a deep other than Juwan Johnson has been apparently the star of camp. What happens there? Tide in room. No, a fan. Juwan Johnson, Oscar Delp. Do they just all cannibalize each other? No, I think Juwan Johnson just completely dominates and leads the way, but the question is like, Juwan got a bag of money, right? Couple years ago. Couple years ago. So I'm curious how much time he's got left on the on his contract. If he was a free agent this next year, which I don't think he is, but if he was, then Oscar Delp is very exciting. He's a good prospect. Yeah, Juwan Johnson is under contract for this year and next year and actually his agent did good work. He's going to be on the team next year. Yeah, he has a $15 million dead cap. So he'll be on the roster next season. So two more years. But Dupes, like Dupes just like a developmental, put him on your bench and find out. Yep. I've seen a lot of people mention Greg Dolsich as a potential nasty boy that hopefully he's on your roster somewhere. And I throw out another Dolphins Titan. Sure. Yeah. This guy is definitely available. His name, he's a fifth round picked this year. It's Seidu Triore. Okay. Who? Seidu Triore who picked him 180th overall and missed to be state 64244 and among the options there, which if you want to just shoot your shot at anybody on the Dolphins, that's fine. These of the Titans, they picked another Titan in third round. Will Kazmerek who is a blocking Titan. Seidu is actually the one that's not a blocking Titan only. So usually like you, you would go after the earlier draft capital, but this is the Titan that can actually catch the ball had 35 catches final year at Mississippi State. So that's my really, really deep name that even in the deepest leagues is probably not rostered. That's about as nasty as I get. I mean, when you said, can I mention another Titan for the Dolphins? I wanted to say, I doubt it because I couldn't like, I'm learning a name. Seidu. You'll be happy to know eighth percentile Felix score. I love it. Per Titan. Zero eight, not 80th. I see some people mention Eli Raridan who was almost somebody we mentioned. He's a third round Titan for the Patriots. Hunter Henry did just get an extension. I liked Eli Raridan quite a bit. He's 83rd percentile Felix score and I was so sad with that 100 Henry extension. I was like, oh man, darn it. Yeah. And then the last name, Michael, appreciate this. I saw this from a couple of people. Mike Washington, at least is a name. If I had a guess with the Dolphins wide receivers, he would be the guy until Chris Balotty in the year. So like, couldn't Mike Washington be flex worthy in a full PPR the first two months of the season? Sure. Maybe. I mean, I'm not excited. Obviously someone has someone has to catch a ball there, but Kyle, I remember having you look this up because I was just thinking like these, like specifically the dolphins. Unlike the bad wide receiver room for the Raiders, they, we know where the balls go. And like Brock Power is going to catch a million passes for the dolphins. It's like someone really does have to catch this team is going to throw for a couple thousand yards and it's got to go somewhere. So I was like, well, let's look at historically what happens when there's, you know, wide receivers that there, none of them are drafted high and it's not expected to be a good wide receiver room. What happens? And usually what happened in the past was that nobody was relevant and that they were bad and that they stayed bad. And so I'd rather take a shot on the Caleb Douglas type of, you know, if I'm targeting the dolphins, some emerging rookie that is more unexpected. I agree with that. And Malik's had his time to, no disrespect to Malik, but and anybody that has them, but if you're going on to your roster and you're like, man, this is going to be my, he's going to be my flex and we can want to too. I don't know. That's not a winning roster in my opinion. So I just, what's the ceiling on a guy like that right? Like four for 38. What's the ceiling on any of the dolphins? I mean, other than eight, heavy, I've never heard of Devonation. I mean, it's got a pretty good ceiling Kyle. Nick Willis has a decent enough ceiling because of his mobility. Potential I mean kill Douglas has been showing out and camp reportedly for whatever that's worth Which is probably nothing but I'm excited to watch him the preseason. Yeah, yeah, he's he's definitely someone to watch What about we got any Helaunny bros here? Oh, man, I've got him rostered in our main ballers dinosaur league And he's so fun to look at on my bench. It's not gonna do anything, but I feel I feel excited that at least There's some variables with that backfield right like Charbonne hurt Price we think we'll be the one to take over he should but Helaunny actually has like juice and Hopefully he's more than just like a passing down sky So we'll see That's gonna do it for this episode next week. We will be back Talking all things preseason real football. He's coming right down the shit. We'll be there Make sure you head to ultimate draftkit.com to get in on the UDK for life Goodbye Oh Thanks for listening to the fantasy footballers dynasty podcast if you want to take your dynasty skills to the next level Check out the fantasy footballers.com