NASCAR Was Getting Ready to Create a New Penalty for Denny Hamlin

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Someone told me that their drinking game is gonna stay for sure. - Yeah. - And I've already said it. - Hey guys, welcome to action's detrimental. After Iowa Speedway race number 23. Yes, race number 23 of the regular season. Tie Gibbs gets his second career win over Christopher Bell finishing second again. - Seven, seven second finishes. - I think he, this year, seven, right? I mean, that's a lot. But I think it's like four out of five. I'm not mistaken. - JGR car wins, bells in second. - Well, I thought that for the bulk of that race, where I was running, the speed that I saw, I thought the 20 was JGR's best car. I don't think getting any refuting that. But the 54 just made a bold call there. I don't know, that's so bold. A lot of guys did it throughout the day. Chase L.A. didn't even state out one time from being in the back of the pack. - It did twice. - Yeah, to staying out, being able to maintain a track position, I mean, I think us and two other JGR cars stayed out with what, 30 laps on our tires, maybe? - Yeah. - Yeah, so it's just, yeah, it's interesting. The tires, we had a new tire this weekend. It certainly was not, I think, Chase L.A., it said it best. It was like, probably not what the drivers would have picked. But there were some manufacturing issues that Goodie or wanted to make sure that they had good quality tires for that racetrack. And they had a, it's just with the turnaround, it was a soft compound that they really wanted. They wanted to make sure the tires were consistent and probably didn't have enough time to do that. So they picked this tire and it felt very similar to past I/O races. It, if you would have said we ran last year's tire, I would have believed you. - I mean, throughout the day, you could just not pit and stick with the tires you had, pick up the track position and that's really all that mattered for the most part. - Yeah, that's just, you know, the, the wear, especially on the less sides was, you know, very minimum. And that's why you saw two tires work so well. At the end of the race, Josh Berry took two, came out right in front of me as, and he pulled away. You know, he's very strong on the last run, but still, you know, I didn't think that two tires hot like that would be able to just take off, but it did. And it worked for Ty Gibbs and his crew made a choice. His team to take two, put them in front of Christopher Bell and see if he could pass him any, couldn't do it. - And his team, I told him early on, make him pass you on the inside. And that's where Bell was probably at his weakest. So like, he, Bell even was trying to bait him to go and lower so he could go around him 'cause that's what he did with Blaney. And, you know, Gibbs is a good job of just making him go low every time. - Yeah, and that's the cat and mouse game that you have when you're the leader and you're trying to defend is you're ultimately trying to predict what the guy, you know, you need to find out what is their strength first, and then defend that. That's priority one. And then if they make different moves on corner entry, maybe through the middle, then you, you then try to defend that way. But, you know, that's what the strength of this car is, is defending. It's not being on the offense. It's a defensive part that makes, you know, the passing so difficult. So it was, but it was a good race to watch, you know, from, you really didn't know whether Christopher Bell was gonna get him or not until, you know, really when they took the wide, it was enough gap there. You kind of knew that it was settled. But yeah, it was very typical of what we've seen at Iowa. Yeah, I'm not sure that that's what was expected. 'Cause correct me from wrong. I'm pretty sure Lattart had mentioned on the broadcast that he didn't think that Ty was gonna be able to hold on to the lead. Yeah, just once you sip on someone's rear bumper that long, it's just gonna make it really tough for Bell. Like it'll, it'll equalize his advantage on tires will equalize over time. Just simply because of how hard he was pushing it. And when I look at the 20s in-car camera from the last, you know, let's just call it 10 laps, you can see like he's slipping. And every slip you do like that, it's just, it's getting stuff hot. And it's not what's best for the car long term, but he ain't thinking about the long term. He's just thinking about, you know, I gotta give him this corner. And it's just compounds and by then, by the end of the run, it's like, you know, the 54 and the 20, basically had the same set of tires. 'Cause, 'cause of how hard the 20 had to push to try to get around. How good was the 12 in relation to the 54 and 20? Good question. And I, I don't know. I thought at the beginning of the race, listen, if you would have asked me before the race, I would have said the 12 winning was nearly a sure thing. From what I saw in practice, he obviously does not get a ton of holes. So qualifying was an indication like he was, he was fast, the fast all weekend. I saw in the brochure that you didn't think he was that strong when he wasn't out front, but I don't know. I mean, I think there's also a little bit of sarcasm to the clean air merchant. Well, no. I think that was valid because when we saw him out front, the two instances where he was out front, I texted in the group chat. I was like, if you didn't have a pile on, you wouldn't know if Blaine he was in last place or the leader 'cause he was so far out ahead. But then once he was in traffic, I mean, he was still good, but he didn't seem like the dominant car like he was when he was out front. Yeah, I mean, it's tough for my standpoint because he was never out in front of me when he wasn't at a tire disadvantage. That makes any sense. Yeah, it does. So every time, so it's just, our strategy's kind of flip-flopped at times, right? And so I just think that when I was on two tires, he was on four, when I was on four, he was on two. So I never really got a good gauge. I never really ran around a much. I guess the indication to me that maybe he wasn't as strong was that at the end of stage two, when I was fading, I was expecting any one of those next cars to pass me to beat the 12th. And it was like, no, it's the one, it's the 54. Here's the 22. And I'm like, wow, we're still ahead of the 12th. Like I thought he restarted like ninth. But yeah, those were all the two tire cars that got around us really none of the four tire cars got there. I mean, posters are reading Blaine's quotes here. He said that Gibbs and Bell were definitely better than him. Yeah, I mean, I trust what he says there, but I thought Bell was strong. I mean, even when I somewhat liked my car, given the circumstances, he was able to pull away from us. So he was strong and then the 54 too. I mean, I didn't think he looked to me as strong as the 20 but that passes the the eye test. I had asked you, Danny, before I can't remember what caution it was, but when you restarted with Bell on the front row, had you have grabbed the lead there and then restarted on the next restart. In the lead, do you think you could have held him off or your car just wasn't? Yeah, I don't think so. I just, there's no way the way I had to drive it with the brake situation. I had no confidence in corner entry and what it was gonna do when I hit the pedal. So no, I don't think so. I think that we got the absolute most out of what we had for the weekend. I mean, it before the race, the day before the morning of, all negative vibes, I mean, it was-- The first I was down. It was tough. I never, it had been a long time since I went into a race with that negative mindset of what the outcome is, what I believe the outcome to be. Yeah, so I think that's one of the most challenging things about watching and following NASCAR is that you just, it's so difficult to see any of that. You know, like, as you just said, the vibes were down. You know, I feel like we're all expecting to be lucky to finish the race on the lead lap. But then halfway through, it's like, Ciao. We might be contending for the win here. - Yeah, I-- - What are you fighting in the car? What are you feeling? Why was that such a challenging race that you needed to say that, you know, that might have been the best drive of my career? - Well, because of what I had to do in the car to make it first not wreck on corner entry. And, you know, it's a little bit of tech talk, but it's like, I don't know whether the brake pads are gonna grab the rotors or not. And it just depends on how much they get knocked back on the straightaway. And it depends on how hot they are at the time. Like, there was times that it was hot enough to where there was no pumping of the pedal pumping it did nothing. So, I just had no brakes for, you know, probably, I would say, you know, zero percent breaks, never, 10 percent breaks, 20 percent of the time, 50 percent breaks, 60 percent of the time. And I had full brakes for, if a math adds up, 20-ish percent of the time. So, when I would have it is after a caution on the restarts, I would have it for about three laps. I'd have decent brakes to where the pedal was good, but the minute it got any sort of heat to it, it just, they went away. And when they went away, they went away right off the bat. So, it just didn't work slowly, work its way down. The pedal then would just go all the way the floor. So, then I'm, you know, I'm chasing the car, hopefully, nobody's around me. So, then now, every straightaway, I'm trying to pump these things up. Well, the pumping worked for some of the time to get me like to the 50 percent break. But if they got really hot, sometimes, because I'm pumping them down a straightaway, it would go all the way the floor. And then I'd have the 10 percent break. So, it just was not, not ideal, not ideal. I just, if it was practice, I definitely would not, which I had the same issues in practice. I'd just stopped. It was like, I can't. There's no way I can keep doing this. So, but I had to do it for the whole race. And, you know, that's why I was just really happy and proud of the team for giving me something that like I could race with 10 to 15, 10 to 50 percent of the break most of the time. We've seen you without the power steering last year, and then this race, and afterwards, you look exhausted. Like, in terms of how exhausted you've been after some of these races, is this the hardest race you've had? In years, for sure. I can't remember being that gassed after a race. I was looking at my whoop score. And usually, I mean, I'm usually pretty low. I'm usually the heart rate, I can keep it really low, but not this race. My whoop gave me a strain of 19-4. Jared, you know, that's high. That is very high. I mean, my average was 144, which that is extremely high for me. Usually, I can keep it around 115 in that range. So, what that does is, you know, as your body, so just imagine cranking the treadmill up an extra two miles per hour for three hours, right? So, let's say I have it at 4.0, like a brisk walk. Well, yeah, I can do that. No problem for three hours. But you put me on a six five for three hours. My heart rate's gonna be up. I'm gonna be way more gas at the end of it. And it works the same in the car. Whether, you know, because your heart rate is up, you're burning more calories, your body's working over time. And it's just, I mean, you get out of the car and it's stop. And it's like, oh, I am done. The cookout 400 Richmond raceways coming up. And I hope we have a couple reasons to celebrate. This is my number 11 Bob's discount furniture team on the car this week. Excited about having them. A lot about furniture shopping has changed over 35 years, but Bob's has still done it the Bob's way. No gimmicks, no phony sales, just every day, low prices on quality furniture. Whether you're upgrading the living room, dining room, bedroom, or all the above. Bob's has styles for every room at prices that make sense. 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So then you make a decision, well, do you want to run a different breaking package to try something new as well before, otherwise we'll never try it for the chase. Sure, no problem. And yet, just realized pretty quickly that it was not going to work for me. I am pretty confident, the team I believe is pretty confident that it was a bad batch of actual brake pads. We believe the pads to be the issues simply because everything else is the same for all the other cars. So the calipers themselves that you heard about the teams switching overnight. So those who don't know a ton, the brake pads squeeze so the caliper is the big silver thing you see on the inside of the wheel. Well, there's a big bulky silver thing that holds the brake pads and that squeezes down on those rotors to make it slow the car down. Well, what happens is if the pads get the rotor hot in a certain spot, it will warp the rotor. So now your rotor, the thing that's going around is oblong. So it's not straight anymore. So what it's doing is every rotation that the tire is going around, it's knocking those brake pads. So while your foot is off the brake, it's knocking the pads further and further away from the actual caliper. So when you do press the brake now and said the pads being right next to the caliper to squeeze it and slow it down, it's got a distance to travel before it gets there. Well, unfortunately, your throw of your brake pedal only goes so far, right? So once you, so let's just pretend that the brake pads squeeze one inch worth of travel from where they start to where they finish. Well, usually the pads are right there on the caliper when the caliper is straight. Well, when it gets oblonged, knocks those pads back. Now your pads are three quarters of an inch away from the caliper. You press your one inch of travel. Now it's barely just grinding on. It doesn't have the energy to slow it down again. So you try to pump it up to get that pads closer, closer, closer. So when you do need it, it squeezes it, but it doesn't always work that way. So we got in this situation apparently. And I didn't know this. And I knew that NASCAR typically lets you change your breaking components when it comes to safety, because they don't want people having-- NASCAR doesn't want you having brake issues. They don't want people failing brakes, blowing rotors. I see no rotor goes across the fence. Hit somebody like, it's happened this year. So nobody wants that. But what's interesting is that NASCAR doesn't want people First thing is that the pads are the only things the teams are not allowed to change overnight. Now not even with a penalty, like you can't just go to the back and change it. So it puts you in a box to where if you've made the wrong decision or you have what we deem as defective pads, I can't get out of the box. Like we know we have a problem, but they're like, "So why is that?" Because it is a product that we choose. The calipers, the brake lines, master cylinders, all that stuff, that's a mandated part by NASCAR. So they're saying, since we single source that, if it's defective, then that's on us. And we'll let you change it. But if it's the pads, that's something that you choose. And so that's not what the intention is. But why can't you change them overnight? What's the argument for not being able to change them? Understand that you get to choose them. But like let's say, I don't know if this is how it works. Let's say there's two brake pads, correct? And you choose brake pad A. And you go to the race track and it turns out that we like brake pad B better. See, now you're trying to get a strategic advantage. That's what they don't want. Which is what you guys could have been doing. Correct. And that's their argument, right? Is that we do not want 36 teams running a qualifying brake pad and a race brake pad. Like that's. Even if it comes with to the back penalty and whatever. What that's what I'm saying is that nobody's going to voluntarily go the back just to run a different. To even gain an advantage on the brake pad. Like it's not. Are you going to pass through? Pass through plus? Hit lane. Like just let me get out of this box. Like we have a major problem. And they were like, it's just that's not the way it's written right now. And I says, I know that. However, like this is where common sense has to come into play that this is not for some strategic advantage. This is to hopefully keep my car from blowing a rotor or going into a corner dead straight and wiping someone or myself head on into the wall. That's what we're trying to do here. So that's where I wish there was an asterisk at the bottom and saying, but we will use common sense. So let me play devil's advocate, though. So you're saying that this is for safety, but couldn't you guys have tried this and if it worked and practiced in qualifying, like, great. This new one that we were trying is worked. We don't need to go to our original, but if it goes bad, if it doesn't work, we'll go to the other one. We'll go to the back. Last car, we can probably get back up there. Like you, JGR and the 11 team put yourself in this position. Why should the other teams have to say, well, you know what, they tried something network. Let's let them fix their problem that they created. Because I think you're still looking at it through Jared's lens, which is that we were just trying something, but it failed. What we're saying is that this part, we deemed defective because others have run this and not had a lick of problems. But sometimes you get, so it's no different than than valve springs and an engine. Some valve springs, they call them bat when you blow an engine. Most of the time, it's a valve spring that is that that fails. And then what happens is the manufacturers go in there like, oh, yes. We have failed this batch of valve springs before we got to quarantine all these. We got to get them out, got to get them out. So, which is why I'm not going total scorched earth is because I understand the intent. I just said to them Sunday morning, please look into an option where if a team legit has an issue that, I mean, you guys, I said, you guys watch practice. It's not like we sat on pit lane because we wanted to. We had a major problem, like, look at the data, my foot is to the floor and I'm barely getting any break whatsoever. If you're willing to let teams change any other break component possible with no penalty, at least let, I mean, when you talk about the breaks, the breaks are not made up of one component. Rakes are made up of calipers, rotors, master cylinders, lines, fluid, like that is the breaking system. It's not one part, but the one part that we control is the pads and that's what they don't want you to change. And I know why they don't want you to change it because it will open up Pandora's box if they do allow it. I'm just saying extenuating circumstances where you obviously see there's a problem. Give me the penalty. I'll start on pit lane this week. I'll start last next week. Like that's enough to where you ain't going to be screwing around running, you know, no one wants to take that penalty. That's a really rough penalty, but like just give some sort of avenue out if a mistake is made. That's where I'm at. You just don't have that precedent set and they don't and they don't, right? Which is why they were not willing to change it in the middle of the race weekend. Had they taken your penalty here, penalty next week, I think you open yourself up to a bigger issue because then it's like now like they're just making up stuff as they go with the penalties and what you can fix. And like what you deem as a penalty speaking of making penalties out. I said to them, I mean, listen, I did my best in that hauler, just laid out my case and I says, what if I just tell the team, no, I will not go on the racetrack with with those breakpads. Absolutely not. I'm not putting, I'm too old to be hitting this wall head on. Absolutely not. They said, well, we would make up a penalty and it would be worse than what it would be if you just came in and changed them under green. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I just got to go slower than if I lose brakes. I'm just going to put around the racetrack and end up having me laps down that I end up. So so so they did acknowledge that they were willing to make up a rule here. Here's my question though. You go to you go to Iowa, you try this new brake system. Hey, why is it, why is it worth it? What your 100 points up? What happens if the the brakes fail? You got to come down pit road, change them to green. You finish 20 laps down and Ryan Blaney wins the race and has a perfect 75 point day. Like why was where I thought we were heading? Right. So why was that worth trying because it's this is not like some experimental thing that this has been run. I would say in combination, I don't know like 20 races, maybe more amongst all the cars. And that's just, you know, in the cars that I know. So so sometimes you so you would ask, well, why would there be no issues and then also in that this track, there's three right right there. And all of us were the exact same. We could run two laps, we lose our brakes. There's a combination of track length, what kind of breaking energy that you have when you press the pedal, how fast is that rotor going when, you know, that's why you see it places like St. Louis, so many brake failures at Pocano, you used to see it because that rotor's going so fast because the wheel is going so fast that when you apply those, the brakes to it and it squeezes it, creates a ton of heat really, really quickly. So with it being quote unquote the fastest short track on the planet, it doesn't have long straight ways to cool, but it has fast speeds that it's trying to clamp down on that rotor. So it creates heat really, really quickly. So this, this could work, it probably would work fine at a Nashville or somewhere else. But or another short track like Northworks for maybe where the straightway speeds aren't as much, so the tires are not going as fast, they're not spinning as fast. So it doesn't create as much energy when it does squeeze, when this pad squeeze on the rotor. This was presented as, so it's just a, I think Iowa just fell right in a unique spot where speed of the track, breaking energy, things like that, that it, it just, it was not a good combination. So was this for me anyway? So this really wasn't about you guys trying to find something for a track on a chase, because that's how it was presented by some media folks. That's what Jared was asking. No, sir. No, I just, my message to my team, and I'll take responsibility for it is that I can't hit my ass with both hands at this race track, put in somebody's setup that's been pretty good. Okay. That's some Scotty language right there. Can't hit your ass with both hands. No, I've never heard that. I'm never. What? No. Oh, well, it's, that's what we learn in Virginia. I can't wait to learn. So so I, the next question my team will ask is, well, do you want their breaks as well? Because if you want to be exactly like they were, then you know what I mean, they're, they're quite a bit different. Yeah. And I'm like, well, it was fine for them, it'll be fine for me. And that's, and so that's the approach we took. Back to tie Gibbs real quick. This win now moves them up to second and the standings. I mean, this is quite a 365 day transformation from where he was at last year to now this year. That 50, 14 no question about it. Yeah, it's what what I saw last year was that they were, they were always fast in practice, but just in the race, didn't really have the race. I don't know if it was craft or understanding what the track's going to do. It just seemed like him and Tyler kind of struggled with understanding what to do or what adjustments to make for Sunday. And I just feel as though he's carrying the speed that he has on Saturdays now into Sunday. And you know, some of his experience, I really believe that he's, he's had a more positive attitude this year. Now, when you, when you run well, it's easy to have a positive attitude, right? It's what's really tough and what challenges you as a driver is go run 15 and come into the shop on Monday and be positive. It's, that's, that's tough. It's tough. But you have to do it. That's how you get out of the slump. And I think he was willing to put in the work to, to, to be better. And I think he's got a great mentoring staff around him. I think that Kevin Harvick spent a fair amount of time with him. I think some, you know, JGR's got some drivers that are helping other drivers on the side that, that's helping him. So I think that he's getting the, all the attention that he needs and he's getting lots of different perspectives that is, is probably opening his eyes to, well, I need to try this, this time. And so, and I think he's been willing to learn. And that's been the biggest change that I've seen and tie. And, um, I mean, I see it on the racetrack. I, you know, there were times last year at, at Las Vegas. And I'm, we're, we're all in the back of the pack. I think we, all this JGR curve were bad. They just won last year. And I see tie like man, you're bouncing off, this guy bouncing off that guy next, you know, this guy's getting pissed. And he's doring tie down the straightaway. And it's like, and we're like 25th. And we're like, man, come on, man. That's life in the dog pound though. I, we're less than a year away from you, you know, matted in how he raised you in the playoffs. Like this is just a different tie. It is. And, you know, yeah, there were some serious conversations after that as well. Right. And like, here's how we're going to race each other. Here's our, we're going to do things. And, um, I don't know. I just think that I think that the Hamlin family and the Gibbs family got closer this all season. Um, you know, when we went through things with, with my parents, the Gibbs family was there and, and very supportive and they just, um, I don't know. We've all just become closer. There's, there's no question about it. And, and tie has just went through a change that is, um, makes you think that, you know, he's, this isn't going away any time soon. Soon, this is not a flash in the pan. I don't believe. I believe that, uh, you know, he has found the, uh, the answer to being successful weekend, we go. You know, set the second on points. Second. Um, let's take a look at if handful of these wrecks, um, throughout throughout the Iowa race. Let's start with, with Reddit and, and Jones at the beginning of this one. Really unfortunate for, for both guys. Well, really unfortunate for Eric Jones, because he had nothing to do with it, right? He was just kind of caught in it. Reddit, I, I looked at it and it looked like the one was kind of showing his nose a little bit low. So I think that a couple of things were, was going on. I think Tyler obviously was loose anyway. And he was got caught in an interesting arrow situation where he was a little offset to the car that was in front of him. I can't remember the car. Um, I'll look real quick. Let me turn my volume down, uh, Austin Dylan. So he was a little offset to the right. Now here comes Chastain showing low. Well, he doesn't want to give up the bottom. So now he needs to turn his car in a little bit extra on corner entry to get the thing down to the track. Well, all while when you do that, even if you're an open track, you're going to make your car looser. Now he put, now he's in a interesting arrow situation where, well, I, I've crossing the wake of the three. Now here comes the one right near my life rear. I can see how you would wreck in that situation. I just think it was a combination of three different things that, that made that car go around and unfortunate that, uh, it took him out and took out our Jones with him. Yeah, tough Eric Jones. He's now sits 20th in points. He lost two spots. Now he's fit a clean 50 to the cut line. Right. I mean, he's thinking man of putters have a 20, 25 point day, right? I mean, right, be right that you'd be sick 17th. Yep. So tough. Meanwhile, retic now's foursome points. That's, that's a, that's crazy. I mean that the stretch has been really bad. No doubt about it. Um, the wreck now with, with Bowman, Larson, that four wide debacle. So we were talking before the show like, wow, how do you get out of the groove? And then you know, I, my algorithm feeds me lots of quotes from in car. And apparently Larson was upset with John Hunter. And so we, we did our best to look back and see what happened. What it looks like is on the restart, the five car went three wide high. So he, you know, cars are two by two. He's behind John Hunter on the top lane restarting. He wants to jump to the outside. Now you put yourself in a little bit vulnerable situation there, but it's, it's nothing out of the ordinary. Um, and so they go down the back stretch and it appears they are only two wide. So instead of three wide, now they're two. So the five drives in and he's thinking, okay, I'm going to be in the second lane. The 42 is going to be in the bottom lane. That's how you run two wide at that track. Well, it looked like John Hunter just ran the preferred groove, which was the second lane. And it shocked the five wide to the outside and into the fuzz. So could John Hunter have run lower? If you're two wide, yes, I don't think that you should run up that high, but it's like, it wasn't like crazy egregious. I just, one of those things where it's like, it's not really anyone's fault, but it could have been, there could have been some different choices made because they were two wide, not three, any forced Larsen into the third lane when they're only two wide. And that, that probably is what got Larsen upset. Larsen now goes up the racetrack. He's trying to merge back into cars. And in Larsen, just realized when he's merging, all he can see is really the cars that's to his inside. So all he sees is the 48. And I'm sure his spotters telling them, they're three wide, you know, you're about to be the fourth, but you can't see that. So Larsen's up as high as he can go, Riley's all the way down at the bottom. Who knows, you know, if he got told, you got a car emerging like more than likely not. I think that's what happened here is half, there's four cars and not all four of them are being told that there's no way there's no way all four cars got told that they were four wide. And it really starts from the bottom. You know, it starts with the person on the low lane, they have to, they have to, you know, you try to calculate in your head, okay, cars this wide, how, how much space do I need to leave to the wall as I'm exiting? But for Riley, in defense of him, he's just, oh, he's, he's three wide. He's left plenty of room for three wide. He probably can't even see. Actually, I'm confident he doesn't even see that the five is up in the fuzz trying to come back and merge. It just was a bad situation. And I can't really blame it on anyone. I just was, you ran out of lanes to just not, not wide enough. When did you think that like, okay, this day is more like I can salvage a day here and then like your mentality change? Probably at the end of stage two when we hung on and, and finished ahead of Blaney that stage, like, yeah, I bled some spots at the end of it, but I was like, wow, I did not budget this into my day is being ahead of him in one of the stages, right? Because I was, I was worried, truthfully, when you talked about, you know, Blaney having a 70, I, I had it in my mind, he's going to have 75 point day, and I'm going to finish 30. And it, we're going to look at the standings and he's going to be 50 back. Like, I, that's, that's where my mindset was. And so, and that's, but that tells you how quick things can change too. So, 100 looks good. Listen, you tell me it's 100 after next week. week. Kick your feet out. Well, it will be because we're winning. But what I'm saying is that, you know, it can flip really quick. An early wreck like Tyler Reddacad, somebody goes out there, dominates the race, both stages wins it. Big points jumps, big points for jumps. Um, who's who's got lunch this week? Todd? Todd Gill on Todd Todd's trying to say that I need to pay for it because he finished 20 seconds. Sorry, bro. Like he's saying that that was a because that the dog pounds raced well that I should have to pay no. I told Jared before I walked in the jars and send him to Red Rocks. That'll be expensive. Um, I, uh, I, this is the first time I can remember all season. Well, certainly since they did the seating chart, that was in the back row. I was in the dog pan. I was next to Riley. You know, I was, I was with the group. I was like, hi, I'm Danny. How are you? I meet you from Cheshire, Virginia. I drove the 11 car. Nice to meet you guys. I tried to, I tried to be, they say that they're very hospitable to each other. That, you know, they, it's like a, it's like a fraternity brotherhood. Yeah, that they have. And I, I just, I was, I met new people. I met new people this week at the driver's meeting. I think Connor had his back for your best oval. But I, I looked at like row two of the drivers meet in row three. I'm like, wow, these guys has some great qualifying efforts. I mean, it was, it was a mix up from the standard qualifying. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Um, let's see. What else we got here? Take, you got the standings next year? Yeah. Anything stand out to you? Remember that dog I was talking about in Ross Chesting? Mm hmm. He's moving up. He's not out of it. He's not. I know. I, I, I mean, even pre practice, I think he did an interview and he's like, it, it's too many points. He says, it's just too many. I, I, I'd love to just run better at this point. So, you know, I think he's taken the very under promise over deliver approach, which I respect that. So, are you back on him now or where we at? It is too many points. If he's only going to score upwards of 30 a weekend, it is too many. He scored more than 30 this week. What do you score? NASCAR.com is an updated. Well, luckily, I have Travis here, uh, Hamlin Briskert, Chesting 43. Okay. Mm hmm. That's finishing seventh with 43 points. I mean, he's up front to do every stage. Yeah. Right. He needs what, what you would think. Does it translate? I, um, that's where I'm going with it is that these next two tracks are similar ish. So, can they carry that speed to this, this track? Mm hmm. Connor had, you know, uh, it's true. I love it. I don't, I don't know if it's, you could call it a career day, but a career day. It felt like a career day. You know, he stayed right there in the top 10 most of the day. So has track outs turned the corner? Maybe. It's too early to say they do it two, three times in a row. Then, then we can start to acknowledge it. But I just, these guys around the cut just can't can get out of their own way and finish 15th. That's why they're at the cut line. I know. I know. But I just, I think that that's what's going to make it interesting. Right. We're sitting here trying to guess performance. Right. Oh, well, is, is raw is going to outperform syndicate by 47 or the next three. Mm hmm. That's probably a little bit too much to ask. But, but these guys run, they'll get con wrecks and they'll finish 30th and like, you just don't even know nowadays. It's very hard to predict. You've got a lot because you got 2nd, 3rd and 4th are going to fight. 5th through 10th are fighting. Yes. There's a lot. There's a lot going on in the points. No question about it. Boy, I'm going to hate a reset, aren't I? I told Jared that I'm like, why can't we just full season chase? God dang it. Well, let's just get past these next three. Then we'll, we'll figure it out from there. Um, that's it. That's all I got for the Cup race. Um, Carson Quappel wins his 2nd career and back to back, back to back races. Awesome job, Carson. I mean, he, he tracked them down. Ross had the lead. There was a caution. Things were, we're going to get interesting. But there was a caution. And beat him on, got ahead of him on the restart. Ross really looked like he just struggled to get going on the restart. So I mean, he was spinning them really, really bad. And it ultimately, you know, let Carson get to the lead once he got the lead. I mean, he was the best car. It appeared that whole last run. Shout out to Ryan Sieg, though. I mean, career day on a non drafting track for Ryan Sieg. I mean, you know, I had pit crew been a little bit faster. And if you could have just kept his track position better, I mean, I think they would have their hands full of Ryan Sieg all day. So he's still searching for that elusive first victory. But after 422 starts, got his first poll, Jesus. That's a long time. Jared's giving you a clap. Um, that's pretty much all my takeaways. No. Yeah. That's it. We got some, we got some off track. Um, you're speaking of the race. We're not done with that race. But we also need to talk about last year's Iowa race. One of the Dini Bros was watching. Man, Alex Presley, I just don't even know what to say at this point. He, he's fought. It's just recently he started engaging in the Dini Bros chat. He's an edition. But he's like, I just don't understand what you're all talking about. The guy was watching last year's race on Amazon Prime. He's like, I don't understand. I thought you qualified the progressive car. Why are you in the Bob's car? And he's like, man, I just, I was so confused for half the race because y'all's text was not lining up with what I was seeing on the TV. Wow. Wow. I mean, unreal. I thought he was joking on first. Unreal. I mean, that's what you do it for though, isn't it? That you, you bust your ass in three and a half hour race just to get out of the car, go read your text messages. I don't know what buddy was watching last year's race. I mean, that makes it all really preferred to watch this one over last year. Right. Two. It just, it's like, who texted that? I couldn't figure it out because when I opened the text, obviously it's what was said last. And someone said, Alex, how did your rates go? And I'm like, did Alex run a race? Like, did you like find a car to go run a race? What is he talking about? I didn't, not till this morning, did I scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll to find out, oh my gosh, this dude was watching the wrong race. Yeah. So is he coming, is he coming to Richmond? I don't think he's officially said it, but like, I posted that photo of some of the beer that I bought, and he's like, that's not enough. I'm like, what's not? Oh, then he's coming. That's not, but he hasn't like said that he's, I mean, he's got to play Thursday. So you got space for him, Danny? How's he getting up there? Oh, I don't know. But I mean, I, I, yeah, of course I have space. All right. Well, we need to make sure. Am I going Thursday night? Well, you've got a game. I think you're going, whenever you want to know how I look at it is, I need that whoops score to be high, because we need to win. So if that means you get your, I don't mind, I don't mind going Thursday night, but I mean, I'm not going to get there till 10, but I'll, I'll be there. It's your call. Okay. I got to see. So, so, so can you give the fans kind of what's, we have a campsite in the middle of gin pop, Le Burnham, Le Burnham campground. Yeah, that's where we're at. Okay. We're right in the middle there. So apparently, there's some sort of concert on Thursday night at the track, and they're going to end at a moving concert. It's like on the front bed. Yeah, the concert is on like a flatbed. It ends at the, the Denny Bros campsite campground campsite. Sick. Y'all are going to have so many fans. So I think for it, and you've got your accommodations, right? I believe, I know we have one. I don't know if Ronnie is aware that he has to, if he's, I don't know, Ronnie's bringing the fifth wheel or not. We have room for it. Yeah. He's just got the, the site, the three sites together is like 70 feet long. Yeah. Yeah. He should be good then. Yeah. He needs to bring it more than enough space, because I can tell you, y'all do not want Ronnie using the same tool that you use. I did request the portapotty because we don't have hookups, which is fine. By the time we made the request, but we have a generator. Yeah. I have power. No. I don't know. I don't got a vac. I don't know what we have or don't have. I went and bought beer and chips. Oh my gosh. There's, there's honestly so much back and forth that no one is, there's a grocery store right nearby. Y'all are fine. So it sounds like, too, that Austin, the fixer had to use somebody the else to help fix the accommodations. John was like, yeah, I got it taken care of. - That's what a fixer does. - Wow. - Okay. Well, I look forward to that. We'll see y'all in Richmond. - Yeah. - Let's go get him. - He's gonna be there Thursday and then all day Friday, all day Saturday. - Sweet. - This is my first time camping out at a Nascar race. - You're gonna fit right in. - Is it your first time camping? - Are you gonna have one of those tables to say Danny's the goat, tell me I'm wrong, or like, you know what I mean with the coffee? - Yes, absolutely. - Why wouldn't it call us camping? - It is. - It's camping. - No, you don't have hookups. - Then it's my first time camping. - Okay, well, I'll be in my bus. I'm gonna combine and hang out with y'all in the fans. We'll see y'all there. - Have a good time. - All right, see y'all next week. [BLANK_AUDIO]