NASA, Lindsay Clancy, The Moonlanding & Anthony Weiner’s Laptop | Danny Jones • 470

(upbeat music) - I was not surprised to see one Chinatanny have in fucking Professor Zhang. - No, are we started now? Are you fine? Are you fine and ready? - Yeah, yeah, we're ready. - Yeah, we're ready. - I had to shower. - And keep the fucking talking about smoking cigarettes for the last 20 minutes of a wait for you to do your hair and get out there. I'm glad we're back. - That's right. - Yes, I had podcasts with Professor Zhang, aka A.K.A, the Chinese Billy Carson. (laughing) I didn't make that up, but I didn't come up with that by the way. - You didn't come up with it? - That was a comment on Twitter, that I read. - Oh man, it's awesome. - Well, you were the guy to launch Billy Carson, so that's on you. (laughing) - Fuck you, dude. I think Zhang's a little bit better than Billy Carson. You gotta give him a little bit more credit. I think he's right about some stuff, but most of the shit, he's way out there. He's like a mix between Carson and Metzger, I think. - Oh, Carson, Metzger, cross that. - Billy Carson. - Billy Carson, Kurt Metzger, hybrid. - That sounds like I'm not high enough. - From China. (laughing) You sweep the fucking studio for bugs after that, though? - Oh, fuck yeah. - Right. - Now, how do you sweep? You have like a metal detector, like what do you do? - I call in this guy named Jeremy Riss, and he flies down from Boston, and he's got a DARPA sweeper, and he runs around my whole office. Checking out of the chairs, he rips the chairs apart, to make sure there's no problem. (laughing) Did I send you that clip of when he did that on my podcast? - When after you had the carry-on going there, he's like, "No, that was new, it was right under carry-on." - Carson, sit me. - I had carry-on going here, then I had this guy, Jeremy Riss, and he was ripping apart the chairs, looking under him, thinking there was a fucking bug. It was the funniest thing in the fucking world, dude. - Jesus Christ. - Well, you're killing it, bro. It's amazing to see how far it's come. I feel like every single episode is like a fucking best hit on YouTube every time. The titles are obviously always something I have to click, but-- - Yeah. - You ever reflect on it? - No, not really, man. I just enjoy watching your show. I feel like we both, we've both been on a tear lately, bro. It's just crazy. It's crazy to see you guys. You and Joey Deef over here. - That's right. - Making it happen, every day I look on YouTube, and you guys are just blowing up, dude. You're like the pure spec of solo episodes that you're doing. - We're having fun. - It's incredible, bro, because the reason I love it, and I've been telling you this for years, and I know you know this, is I've been telling you that your solo episodes from the beginning of your podcast when you were in your mom's house are some of the most entertaining goddamn shit I've ever seen in my life. And I only get it on phone calls, or on the first three episodes of your podcast, and finally, it's actually part of your podcast, which I'm very happy to see, dude, because it's you. It's you being you, and it's fucking so refreshing. - I appreciate that, bro. It's, you know what, you have been telling me that for years since we knew each other, but it's like, I think we put out like 30 something in these this year since that started. You, though, have a library of about 500 of them, just, you know, 470. No one's ever going to hear it, just on the phone. But like, - I love the one where you're shadow boxing in the beginning, you're like, (laughing) - Well, that was at the very beginning of my podcast, when I did a few. - Put the fucking kid rock mullet? - Yeah. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge help. Thank you. - No, but you were encouraging me to do that, and it just kind of, but it happened very naturally. We just did a Patreon, and then, you know, at the time the 200 patrons were like, "You must put this public," and we did, and then the rest was kind of history, you know? - Yeah. - It's a crazy year, dude. It feels like every red line's been crossed this year. You know, when you look at things happening in the world, when you look at things happening at home that people want to sweep under the rug, when you look at, you know, and now even, you can't even get away from shit like flat cameras. It's just like, it's one of those years where you're constantly faced with the, did George Orwell write about this? - Yes. - Is it still happening? Yes, are we gonna talk about it? I guess we have to. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. I get all my news now from not just Tim Dillon, but you, every Saturday, it's just consuming you and Tim Dillon, so-- - It's a hell of a comment. - It's a great way to get your news, man. - Am I the news guy for-- - Your my news guy? - I'm like the news guy. - For whatever it's worth. So, the only problem is now I don't get over the phone. I just have to watch it on YouTube. So, I get to-- - You still get a lot of them. - I get to absorb it in chunks. - Yeah, you get sneak previews on the phone. That's why I work out my material and everything, you know? - Mm, yeah, for sure. Yeah, man, the whole, the whole flock AI shit is so strange. Like I told you, I didn't really know much about it. I was kinda checked out on it until I was listening to your episode when I called you there a day. And it's strange, I actually Googled it and I found out there's like hundreds of them in my county in Florida. And they're not just putting like the flock cameras but they're also hijacking traffic cameras, apparently. - They're hijacking traffic. - Well, there's, you know how there's existing traffic red light cameras everywhere? Apparently they figured out how to put the plug the AI into those. So they can like corroborate with all the other flock cameras. Allegedly, that's what I heard. That's what I read anyways. - Yeah, it's like, we have the problem with this in our hands at all times, the phone. Like that's clear, there's some clear issues right here for sure, but there's at least the semantics or the illusion of using something like that in the privacy of your home, the illusion of it. At least with this, there's no illusion. It's like you walk out on the street, this thing can track you, you're in a public space. It can invade your privacy that way. It just seems totally anti-American. - Yeah. Well, there's that and then there's the fucking satellite shit that Whitney Weth just wrote about. Did you read that? - No. - I just read this insane Whitney Web article that's like on the level of like the true hoop guy wrote about the Epstein thing. It took me three and a half days to read it. And it's all about this dude named Emiliano Cargiman. Is that sound familiar? - No. - He's a Venezuelan dude who has this, he has this power company in Venezuela called Soul Energy. And he's been working with the Millay dude in Venezuela, Argentina. - Rather? Yeah, this is the article right here. It's fucking crazy dude. - Emilio Cargiman. - Yeah. So this guy has a company called Satelogic where he's been launching satellites in the space in partnership with NASA at Palantir and OpenAI. - Yeah, let's just get, let's go to the menu and just take all the fucking entrace. - All the chef's specials. - Yeah. So it's not just like 3D Google Earth level shit but it's like that on steroids and live feed 24/7. You know how you can get footage? You know DARPA and all these guys can get like a shot of a guy sitting on a park drinking a cup of coffee read the newspaper. Pretty, like they could probably read the newspaper. That's how they read this fucking mind. - That's how good the satellites are now. This shit's like next level. This shit can probably read their mind. And it's like combined with AI. And there's all this money going into it right now with Palantir, or Palantir OpenAI and NASA. So this guy Cardiman, he's also tied into Elon and all those PayPal dudes like Patel. And it's just this crazy partnership of all these super big tech billionaires that are investing all this money into this Stargate Argentina. - Stargate, that is so fucking dark. - It's in Patagonia and they're investing all this money into these data centers in Patagonia. Yeah bro, this huge data center that Melay is trying to get installed down there. And they got the contract with Sam Altman to run the whole thing as soon as it gets built. It's like $25 billion or something? - Isn't he selling off land? I'm gonna pull up Deves got something right here in one second. Isn't he selling off land in Patagonia though too? It's like highest bidder, right? - Yeah, I think so. I think so, yeah. - Melay? - Yeah, he's trying to do that and they're trying to, they're trying to do all kinds of great. It's all just fucking wealth extraction shit. It's all it is. The guys just trying to make tons of fucking money off Argentina and he's lined with all the people trying to get him out of there trying to move the people out of the land and sell it off. So they can bring in all these AI companies to build these data centers. And they're lying to all the people telling them that's gonna bring in job. Well, you got the car demon guy on camera saying, this ain't gonna bring no jobs to Argentina. - Wait, he's on camera saying it? - There's a, there's a, she links to an interview of him on camera saying that. - Yeah, we find it. - But then you have Melay saying, it's gonna bring in jobs for everyone. It's gonna create more for the economy. But you have his business partner, the satellite guy who's part of this whole thing saying it's gonna do the opposite. - Yeah, I also don't like that we're calling him his business partner too. - Right. - It's like a fucking sitting head of state. - Right. - Like what the fuck are we doing? - So deep, if you have this highlight right here, Silicon Valley to an impressive and unprecedented degree, he has developed generous tax benefit schemes for foreign U.S. big tech firms. This is references, Miliano Guy, to operate in the country while offering those that seek to park their data centers. Or I'm sorry, this is referring to Milay. Their data centers in the country next to the regulation regarding their construction or operation earlier this year, Milay wrote an editorial in the financial times where he invited AI to free itself. That's not weird at all. And proposed allowing AI run companies with no humans involved to operate in his country. While some pointed out that the statutes, the statements seemed to value AI activity over human activity, that is not an isolated incident. For instance, one advisor in Milay's inner circle, Damian Radell has controversially argued the humans are, in fact, Argentina's biggest problem, particularly in Argentina, Patagonia, because they present an obstacle to AI infrastructure and development in the region. Not, you know, Danny, I feel like I'm not putting on too much of a tim for what I have here, but it's not a good look for like, what is he, a 55 year old head of state, I think he's like unmarried with it. out kids to be talking about and having people in his inner circle talking about humans being the yeah, yeah, scroll down. Look at the photo of him posing with Sam Altman. It's fucking hilarious. It's just like, and you wanted a video to do. There's a link to a video in there. Oh, that's Ray Kurzweil. That's weird too. This thing is so this whole article is so deep. Oh, there's Elon. Yeah, there's Elon and all the all his buddies that are all tied into all this stuff. This was James Cameron. See that? Yeah. Yeah, James Cameron is on the left hand side. Yeah. So there's this dude who is in that photo. Who's that guy in the left right there? You know that guy is Julian? Michael Griffin. What do you know about? You know about Michael? Is that the hedge fund guy? He used to be the CEO of the AR investment company in Qtell. He was the CEO of in Qtell. And then he was in 2005. They made him the head of NASA. And this guy's like best buddies with Elon and this cargyman dude. And they're all connected with Tiel at the same time. Dude, she's connecting so many dots in this article. It's great. It's hilarious. Why does everything and I mean this genuinely? Why does everything come back to Peter Tiel these days? Like when if you do the old Jim Deoreo line, just follow the money. The money always goes to him. Yeah. We can look at it politically. We can look at it technologically. We can look at it through financial transactions. You can look at through the fucking Epstein files. The money finds its way back to Peter Tiel. And I also talked to someone recently who would know. I'll say that that like his net worth is way below, excuse me, way above where it's reported to be. I don't know what it's reported at these days, but like he's a fucking gazillionaire. Apparently he's got, and I think this one has been reported. He's got like five or six billion dollars in a fucking Roth IRA or something. I don't even know how that's possible. There's on the Vanguard, just on the S&P 500 and 10%. I'm sure it's not in that. But like, call Chris. Yeah, call big ebs, free camera, that was, but like yeah, 32 billion to 33 billion is just reported net worth. And I was told it's way higher than that. Yeah. So another like very interesting thing about that whole story was is that there's this huge push in like the early 2000s when they were sitting in those chairs during that meeting to move NASA private and basically privatize all the space industry. Like the whole all the NASA itself NASA specific will not like NASA, the fucking label NASA, right? Like that's still going to exist. But they were trying to basically gut the bureaucracy, like the government bureaucracy of NASA and privatize everything. Bring all the talent private. That's how they created and funded SpaceX. And there is the NASA aim center, I guess in California where they're doing all kinds of private stuff and all this satellite stuff, like the satellite thing. Like this satellite thing combined with Palantir and all this other AI shit. What do you don't? Oh, okay, keep wrong. He's adjusting the cameras, folks. I have a microdose and something new lately. And it's not what you think. 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Mobile 's later speeds reduced after 20 gigs. Um, uh, should I be like, Mattan over here and no, he already did your fucking table. Yeah, dude, that's great. It's great. He added character to it. I love it. He did add a little character. Yeah, it's a good story behind every stain. Yeah, he's like, you're going to have to fly up this Danny Jones to help build you, like, what's his, is he Israeli? He's half Israeli, half something in Asia. Okay. And he didn't break character at all. No. Once off air. Well, when we finished, it was like, watch it. We'll come back to what Danny was talking about everyone, but we're talking about the time Evan, if you haven't watched his content, he's fucking hilarious. But like, he does this bit character where he plays this like right wing troll. Yeah. And I would say when we finished, it was like watching a video game character, Clitch, a little bit like, you know, when they're like spawning in. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd be like, he'd be like, fuck yourself. He's like, yeah, I know that was really good, man. I'm like, what, which one is like, all right, I just, I'm in hell. I just for the last two hours and 10 minutes. I was just like, you know, I've been fucking fastballed back and forth. But all right, back to Palantir. Yeah. So, so this 2005 push to privatize all this shit was Elon and Teal were like huge behind this stuff, as well as this Michael Griffin dude. Right. So he was the head of NASA. And through NASA, he gave, I guess, Teal. I'm again, everything I'm saying is not this is all pure spec all coming from this Whitney Web article. Okay. So I didn't do this research. I just read this stupid article. And so all of this fucking money and all this talent started to flow into these companies. And basically like what I glean from this whole thing is what they're doing is they're trying to take all of this like government power and technology and move it private so they can make the money off it directly, right? And there's also shit they can do like the other thing I think is there was that. Oh, what the fuck is that guy's John point Dexter, the DARPA guy? Yes. Who was the total information awareness guy who's trying to push that through Congress and got shut down because it was just too draconian and they was too like way too much for the early 2000. I think it was early 2000s after 9/11, I believe. It's too draconian right after 9/11, right? That's hard to do. So so he wanted to do the total information awareness thing. And I guess what they did was was everything all the technology that Palantir's gotten is basically the same shit that DARPA wanted to do with the total information awareness. It's just privatized now. So now it's not the government doing. It's a company doing it. It's Peter Teal. And can we Google when Palantir was founded officially? I just want to tie together some timelines here. I think I love the way you tell them that Google shit, you already know the answer to it. I think you're cooking. Yeah. May 6, 2003. Very, very convenient timing right there. You know, and they got one of their first financial backings from in Qtell itself, which is also tying into what you said. Yeah. The other guy who was the CEO, right? So, uh, no, no, um, Michael Griffin, CEO of in Qtell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then Vanessa. Yeah. Right. So and then combining that with the whole satellite thing and how you have all these incestuous people, they're all like one big family and they're just incorporating all of their different companies into one thing. It just seems like, I don't know what's scarier. Like you, when you have these AI doomsday whistleblowers talking about like how AI is going to take over the world or is that just like some limited hangout to distract us from this crazy shit with the satellites and the total information awareness tracking everything with AI and like it also talks about these digital clones of digital clones where they want to make clones. If you just command search that, it'll talk about this. It wants to create using the satellite company digital clones of all the people in Argentina through social media and their whole digital footprint to do predictive policing. Oh, Jesus, that's like fucking what's that minority report? Minority report. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's what all these guys are super into. This predictive policing stuff. All right. So in an interview earlier this year with Forbes, Argentina, Karjaman remarked that Merlin will soon allow us to do things we never imagined with AI and Merlin. We can begin to predict the future as noted in previous reporting from unlimited hangout, which is Whitney Webb's blog. A long time major focus of Palantir is predictive analytics, particularly predictive policing often referred to as pre-crime. And this is where like, I mean, you heard Ellison just talking about this openly. He didn't use the words predictive policing, but he's at that conference, whatever that was a couple months ago. And he's just going through. He's like, what the fuck? Like where we're just, you know, everyone will be on their best behavior. because cameras will be watching them at all times and evaluating everything they do, all their behaviors, and it's like my brother and Christ, this is not China. Like this is America, my friend. What the fuck are you talking about? Right. You know, even Zhang was telling me all the stuff the camera is in the AI that they have to surveil it, all the stuff that they have in China to surveil everybody is nowhere near, according to him, as sophisticated as the stuff in the US. He was saying like, you know how we hear the stories of like the gate tracking technology and the facial tracking recognition technology that they have for everyone walking around China, combined with the WeChat and all that stuff. He's like, it's not that impressive compared to the China. That's what a great CCP agent would say. He had nothing good to say about China. That was interesting because I listen to about three of the four hours of that podcast. He, when you asked him where he'd rather live, he'd write away, it was like the United States. And then where would he write and he's like, where would he rather rule? He's like, oh, China, there's no rules. You know what you want. Very, very interesting. But I don't know, like, I saw a lot of the Stopian videos out of China during COVID where they'd have drones watching the house and stuff. And some of my thought process on that is really influenced by that book Kai Fu Li wrote in 2018 AI superpowers. It's about basically like the AI race between China and the US. And when he laid out like the four dimensions of how you measure who's winning the race and the fact that it was like two to two at the time because China had stolen so much IP and used it for themselves over the years. I mean, that's back in 2018. So now there's no, they don't have a constitution in that way. Like, there's no guardrails on what they're on what they can do. So I don't know if I believe him that it's not the Stopian. Where I think he might make an affair point, though, is that people here who are in denial of what our capabilities are, what these companies' capabilities are. For our people in America, if they were given a loophole to put that into place, I'm sure are insane. And I bet they are better. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the way he was talking about it. It seemed, I don't know, you're right. If I was a CCCP agent, I probably would be saying the same thing. His overall spiel was that, everything that Xi Jinping is doing and that government is doing even with their top technology companies and stuff like that is not that impressive and it's not that strategic. And they're really, he's like, they're not thinking that far ahead. I didn't, but this is the same place, though, that made, what was it, the fucking Belt and Road Initiative? That's exactly right. It doesn't make sense. They were borderline a third-world country in 1999. They're not a third-world country now. It's a fast move. And like, I always think at a world that you don't want to oversimplify it, but like the three most important letters when it comes to the world are actually GDP. Right. And they're the other place that has the highest GDP. Besides us, so it's like, if ever our currency in America were going to be unseated or something, they're the first candidate that would be pulling it off. That's what I worry about. Did you hear what he was saying about how all the billionaires there, they can only best 50,000 a year in US currency? Because I guess the, what is their currency called again? What's that word? I was forgetting what that was called. Yeah. No, it's not yen. It's the other one. It's a Joey D for find it. It's a weird name. It's a weird word. Joey D should know it. He's Chinese. No, it's not. It's a different, it's a different thing. It's a different word. It's like three four syllables. Chinese, just type in Chinese, yeah, Chinese parents don't. I won't try to say it. We'll get cancer if I try to say it. Redmond B? Yes. Redmond B. Redmond B. So that currency's not, it can't, doesn't translate with the US. So what these guys do, we're only allowed to, if you're worth a billion dollars, 50,000 dollars a year is going to get you nowhere. That's right. So he was explaining that they're laundering money through the cartels. So they're using the cartels who are sitting on tons of US cash to go to the US, buy them shit loads of real estate and shit. And then what they do in turn is do business and trade with the cartels. So that's a perfect way for the cartels to longer their money and for the Chinese to diversify their wealth into the US economy. How fucking crazy is that? It's genius. It's so genius. It's fucking genius. Because like they can you like give them this credit. They can use like the realm of democracy. I'm putting that in air quotes because we're really struggling with that over here. But they can use like the freedoms that are afforded under our constitution against us by using that system against us because they don't follow those rules. And clearly, we don't follow a lot from here as well. But there's at least the guys of it, right? You can't just go round up people because you're like, yeah. Right. I think so. Right. Obviously that still happens. But you know what I mean, it can't happen at the scale. Right. That happens. I mean, they could throw Jack Ma in a dungeon. And what are you going to do with that? That's the Ali Baba guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He disappeared for a while. So he disappeared. And I guess no one found him. And then he ended up in Japan. Yeah. You were paying more attention to that than I was. I just remembered that like everyone was talking about this crazy trillionaire disappeared. No one's seen him in forever. And then he eventually popped up again. There was a crazy conference. This had to be back in 2017, 2018, maybe 2019, something like that. We're Elon Musk and Jack Ma. We're on a stage. She got an Jack Ma's English like isn't amazing. It, you know, he talks slower and more deliberately, getting through it. But they were talking about like, I want to say it was like the future of AI and technology and everything. And Jack Ma was basically saying, I'm going to translate, make love, not war, all good. And he lines like, I don't, I don't think so. And it is just the most awkward two hours of the two of them going back and forth. And then he disappeared very shortly after that. Whoa. Yeah. It was, it was, how long was he gone for? Can we Google that? It was a while. Where is he now? Is he in like Japan or something? Yeah, he moved to Japan. That's where Jang wants to move Japan. Everyone talks about how great Japan is. Four to five years. Four to five years. He was in this business. What was that about? What the fuck was he doing for four to five? I mean, they, they, they came, they bagged his head and they said, you know, say anything, pal. You think that's what I mean? I mean, East in China right now. Well, that's what Google is. That's where his company, that's where his company is in China. Right. But he used to have lots of political power, according to Jang in China. And not anymore. Now he's lost all power. He said power. He said he had political power. He said he had power. Somehow, somehow he had power in China. I don't know how, but he's lost all of that now. Now he's just in Japan and nowhere near as wealthy as he used to be. Maybe he had to sell off a bunch of his company that are getting more pat more control to the CCP. Yeah, I don't, I, I feel like power is a facade there. You know, like, unless you're sitting in the member when they, we, we were talking about it when we did the pod with, with Boost Amante and, and, and Jim together back in 2022 when they bagged the former leader, like in the middle of the CCP meeting. I watched the video, and they, and they read the whole guy, ripped him out of there. Holy shit. I forgot about it. Like he was like royal, he was like chairman. Oh, yeah. That goes like generation. He was literally royalty. And geez, just sitting there and it's how they treat their elders. They just fucking black, they black, brown bag him in the middle of a press conference. Did that guy die? Can we, they didn't kill him at the time? He was another one who was like Jack Ma, where they're like, you know, sit over here. That's terrible. But the, the guy that, at least they don't hide it though, 2022, China, CCP meeting, leader escorted out. I got to get his name. And then we can see like what became of him. I mean, he was, he was a fucking fossil. He was like 90 or something. Who ginned out? Now, where is he today? Who ginned out? He's retired. He's retired. We retired. We retired. Tires and lives privately in China, making very few public appearances. He stepped down a secretary general of the Chinese Communist Party in 2012. He was the guy before Xi Jinping as president in 2013. He lives in a quiet retired life out of the political spotlight. He rarely appears in public. One of his last major public appearances was in December 2022 at a state funeral for former leader Zheng Zemin. So that was after the congress incident, which was when he was escorted off at the closing ceremony of the 20th Communist Party Congress in October 2022. State media later reported that he had felt unwell. He's been largely out of use since. Yeah. One of the other things that was really interesting to me was how he was explaining all like the red nobility from when Mao was in power, all those old dudes. They live in the US. The guys who were in power under Mao. The red nobility. Yeah. Those guys are now they live. They came here for the education and for like the economic opportunity. How old are these guys? I don't know. Maybe it's like them at me. These are, most of these guys might be dead, but I'm sure they're like their families. They're still living here, but he's basically saying the most powerful people that run China. They all live in the US and they control it remotely from here. And they use China. They treat it as like their plantation. They treat it as like a plantation economy. But does he think they're working on behalf of like the future of China or they're just bilking China? They're just bilking China. They're milking. CCP agent. Yeah. Okay. Many descendants of China's Communist elite often called the red nobility or [BLANK_AUDIO] links have lived, studied, or held assets in the United States, numerous children and grandchildren of high ranking Chinese Communist Party officials have attended elite American universities, such as Harvard and the University of Rochester, for example, Xi Jinping's daughter, Xi Minze, studied at Harvard University under an example. We let the guys fucking daughter study. Another feather in the hat, a professor Jang. What are we doing? Yeah. All right. They know there's respect there, but like go to China. Relatives of foundational figures like Dang Ji upon the son of Xi Fang who earned a physics PhD in Rochester have spent significant time pursuing academic and professional ventures in the U.S. Someone has to let this stuff happen though. That's what I can't. What do you mean? Get a rent. This stuff doesn't, people like this don't live here without people in positions of power here being like, okay, dope. You're good to go. These guys are probably like invested up to their eyeballs and companies here and land here. They probably just own so much. They probably lobby politicians here. They probably have a good amount of power. Probably more than the people who get to give them the thumbs up. At least some of them. I would imagine if they've lived here for that long, they got all that money. What about the people who pay the people who give the thumbs up? That's what I want to know. Well, that's us, but I'm saying like the donors and stuff, the donor class. Right. Because it's everything. These guys probably are part of the donor class, right? Of course they are, but I'm saying like, do you think they're on the donor class levels like the Silicon Valley guys? Probably not. You know what I mean? Not on the level of the Adelson's. Not on the, it's for sure. Not on the level of like the Israeli lobby for sure. So it's like, they got some swinging, swinging dicks, you know, they got some sort of power. They got their, they got their, their hooks in somewhere. I imagine. I don't know. But you know, and also if they're fucking, if they're doing that shit with the cartels, how the fuck did they let that happen? Well, we're working with them. These same guys have all this wealth tied up in China. They're trying to diversify into the US while they're living here and using the cartels as a conduit. And we let that happen. That's pretty, that's pretty fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy, but also why are the cartels existing at such a high level of powers they do when they're also even now designated terrorist organizations? You don't wonder if it's like the fixes and, right? I mean, if I had a guy sitting in that seat that worked on behalf of the CIA undercover to work with the cartels, not to stop them. Oh, really? Who's that Matt Hedger? Oh, wow. You see the knock? I remember the knock. And it's like your national security, bigger quotes I'm saying right there, better, better be some fucking biblical shit if you're going to be doing that. And I'm not so sure that's the case. I think that's just the excuse. Well, you know, national security. Yeah. That's what they always do. It's a great way to launder money. It's a great way to hide illegal activities that you're performing onto the, for the state of America. It feels like the wealth accumulation that's happening right now at the highest levels openly. Like in the past, they could do this behind closed doors. No one ever knows about it. There's no internet, right? Now with the internet, they know people can find this out. People can find out how much stock they hold in different things. People can find out the investments they're making in weird companies and stuff like that. People can track down all the shit that they got their hands in. But they continue to do it deliberately and openly, finger in your face when, you know, the average American only has $500 or less in their bank account. You would think like optically speaking, they'd be a little more careful about it, but they're not. And I really want to know why they're that brazen. If it's just that they're actually that arrogant beyond the point of, you know, no return or yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. It's because I mean, my brain goes to it's because they're so close to having total control over everything where no one can make a difference no matter what they think. It doesn't even matter anymore. You know, it's like I was talking to Jangan about this too, because I was telling, we were talking about the whole Israeli lobby thing and how the issue of Israel has become just out of control in the US. And you and I have talked about this endless thing about BB just being straight up. Frank, like you read the book on him and you talk about how smart the guy is, but he's saying shit out loud. That is like so counterintuitive to what you do. You would do if you wanted people in wanted to promote a good PR campaign in the in the United States on behalf of Israel. He's doing the opposite of it. That's right. So like it's almost like, so Jangan's take on that is basically they don't care because it's the end times. They're bringing the Messiah and it's going to be he called it Gog and McGog and he's like, it's going to be Doomsday. Everyone's going to be raptured. It's a wrap. They don't give a shit. That's why they're basically trying to hasten the end times. But why is he doing that? Why is Netanyahu doing that if he's literally atheist? Right. That's what I asked him. And he said it's not Netanyahu. It's the people that are above Netanyahu. Basically like the Adel Sins and the people that are all tied to the Chabad stuff. He basically said the Chabad loop of it. He loves the Chabad stuff. He basically said the Chabad runs the world. They think he's the Messiah and all these huge Silicon Valley, Valley billionaires and all the banking families, like including the Adel Sins and the Rockefellers and all of them. They all like we'll do whatever the Chabad. The Rock, but how does it mean? Maybe I may be I mean at the Rockefeller. Yeah. The point is all the wealthiest people basically that are running the world. They all worship the Chabad. And they all believe in his eschatology. Can you explain the Chabad to people who are familiar with it? No, I can't. Why don't you explain Chabad? You know way more about that. He's some crazy looking fucking cult leader who thinks the end times are coming and all these rich people worship him. You're right about that. And it was like so Rabbi Schneerson. Yes. Was the guy and he's dead now. And he's got a grave in Brooklyn. Very fitting. It's the video of Trump and Ben Shapiro, right? They went to Howard Lutton. And Howard Lutton. Oh, I think he's speaking. Oh, find the photo. I need Lutton. Shapiro and Trump kissing the grave of Schneerson. Right before the election too. I think. Right. Right. Well, good luck, Charm. But yeah, he's so jammed. Why would they do that? Why would you do that? Because I told him I don't think Trump has an ounce of religiosity in him either. Yeah, there it is. There it is. Yeah, look at that. Kind of pay the respects. Yeah, like you said. That's graves, though. Right there. Yeah, he's boy. He's fucking buried in New York. Yeah. Of all places. Of all places. They gave them. Yeah, why not? Why not? The amount of all is like old robber. Yeah. No, they kept him in New York. Look at Trump. He's like, what am I fucking doing here? He's like. So yeah, I don't agree with Zhang that I don't believe. He thinks that Netanyahu and Trump are, they believe in the religious stuff. I don't think they have an ounce of religiosity in them. I just think they're doing whatever the billionaires are telling him. And I think the billionaires probably do believe some of that cookie shit, you know. But my point was, we got way off. That was kind of like a tangible analogy. My analogy was in the same way that those religious people think at its end time. So they're kind of like rushing, rushing to do everything without trying to hide it. The AI people are doing everything they're doing and not trying to hide it because maybe they're just so close to total fucking control. It doesn't matter anymore. Well, if it doesn't, that's another part I can't quite square. Why are some of these same people then go into guys like Doug Rushkopf assuming that the end times are here, the event as they would call on them and you talk to Doug too. So you know about this. And getting his advice on like how to make sure their fucking security doesn't kill them when it happens and they come out of the bunker. So like are you really in control if you don't even have a scenario to figure that part? That seems like a really yeah, you know, and they're old without money. Yeah, they probably haven't thought it through that far. But on the way there, as far as like public discourse goes and what it looks like, what stocks they're trading or whatever fucking weird shady partnerships they have with Millay and Argentina, like let the cat out of the bag. Who cares? People are going to be like stuck in their ideological trenches online arguing about it either way. So the truth doesn't even matter. I had the same, this is the way I look at the moon landing too. It doesn't fucking matter. You either believe the moon landing happened or you believe it don't. There's nothing I can tell you that's going to convince you otherwise because you're already stuck in your fucking camp. Either you're anti everything or you, uh, rash, you don't wrap the people that are on the moon landing camp on the pro moon landing side. Most of the time those guys are believing in that stuff and arguing for because they're like attached to some institution where if they come out and if they question it, they're not going to have their job anymore. So it's like no one can be in the middle and give a rational argument to it that's going to change anyone's mind. They're already stuck in their lane. I've always, I've always believed on that one that and you've done some great work on this, talking to like serious people in the field. I've always believed on that one that every country around the world, including our allies would have had a reason to disprove us doing it. But what I think might actually be a real scenario here. here is that the production of it and like how they did it and said oh here we are on the moon was not what it was and that was not actually there yeah and so maybe they went and then if you really want to go down the rabbit hole maybe they found some shit that was like yeah can't phone home on that one yeah and they're like it Kubrick in here and you know he'll be he'll be able to fix this and then you know man I love how Kubrick connects all the dots to everything we're talking about that motherfucker with that motherfucker was cooking Jodie he connects he's the octopus that connects everything it's but yeah no I he I hedge sometimes depending on who I'm talking to when I'm talking about the moon landing on my show and I'll say like and I think maybe they went but they had a backup plan with the video that they filmed in the Air Force base according to Bart's a bro but I don't think they win you don't think they want I don't I don't don't if I had a gun to my head I would say they didn't go no you were there with the Apollo astronaut Charles what was his name Duke Charles Duke yeah and then he was Apollo 16 or Apollo 17 I remember but he was one of the he was the youngest guy who ever went to the moon he was like I was on the moon he was like 30 years old when he went to the moon and uh yeah so I had a moment with with Bart Sabrell who they the moon the anti moon landers couldn't have a worse mascot in my opinion I think it might be on purpose I agree I think that they might have been they might be using him to discredit the people who questioned the moon landing because he does a terrible job and his arguments are all disproven in my in my view uh especially the shadow argument that's the most retarded one out of all of them and um it's just yeah anyways that that whole thing was a shit show and Charlie Duke didn't convince me that we went to the moon at all you know the guy was super sharp for being 90 me and him had like a 30-minute conversation I picked him up at the airport myself and I before we talked about all kinds of shit on the ride home like the guy was sharp as attacked what was he telling you he was talking about like Elon stuff Elon's Mars ambitions and telling teaching me about like explaining to me how all the rockets that Elon is working on how they work while they're more economical um talking about oh high-level shit oh yeah he was talking very high above my head wow and um and this was like nine o'clock at night this guy's 90 usually past nine o'clock past seven o'clock people over 90 aren't together very well they're usually cooked yeah so but this guy was on fire and uh even the next day when he said we went to record the I should have you should have done he's probably been it imagine telling it he's but imagine go to a Tampa Titty bar with an apple it wouldn't be the same I wouldn't want to ruin his memory of what they used to be in the eighties well you know you you could take another one that's like the spaceship outside it's not what it's like yeah if you if he went there he'd be disappointed yeah that's neither here nor the um the next day I walked him into the studio bar was already in the studio Charlie walks up to bark bark shakes his hand he goes you're the man who called me on the phone 20 years ago and told me this this and this like verbatim remembered it the phone call that when bark called him 20 years ago and uh I was like holy shit how did you remember that and then we get on the podcast and this guy's playing Alzheimer's he's please play in the Alzheimer's card like ultimate gaslighting us on like why are we here are we talking about going to the moon you don't think I went to the moon and I'm like what are you doing like me and him had six different phone calls leading up to that like in the three months prior talking about this stuff the guy's super sharp maybe he's got six I don't know what he was doing man uh and if I went to the moon I would have more words to use than it was exciting I was just excited I'm on the moon I'm on the moon out of a few more words to agree what that experience was like yeah it'd be like it's the kind of thing where you're saying all these you're saying so many things that can't even possibly get across the depths but to the average person when you hear it you're like oh my god yeah you know like what's left on set is still 90% crazier mm-hmm but yeah it was you'd I'd listen I thought you did a really good job with that one because it was like being a matted door in there with one guy who's like you said maybe pretending right it's very possible right that like he's not all within the other guy's like so you're saying that you went to the moon 30 times where on a Bible I was worried he was gonna bring a fucking Bible into that box he didn't bring a Bible right and I called him before I'm like are you bringing a Bible just tell me now and he's like now I'm not gonna do that I'm a I'm born again Christian I've found my faith I've found Jesus Christ oh he found Jesus he found him on the moon maybe no mine probably doesn't exist but uh yeah he uh it was it was pretty bad it was pretty bad and like I said I'm not convinced and the whole the craziest thing about it all to me which he doesn't really he doesn't really harp on this much but the Gus Grissom thing on Apollo the first Apollo mission or the first Apollo launch and he was like he was throwing a fit talking to the media did a press release in front of the fucking rocket and held a lemon over it and he was complaining he's like we can't communicate on a VHF radio between two buildings and you think we're gonna take this thing to the fucking moon like he was pissed and there's a lot of people talking about that and you know he died in the fire of that first Apollo mission when before I got off the pad the thing fucking lit on fire because there was like an oxygen issue or whatever I don't know how he died or if there was a conspiracy behind that but I mean you can just read the tea leaves on this and I mean I don't need I don't need to say shit all I gotta do is watch the footage you know can we pull that what's his name again uh Gus Grissom and I mean when I'm talking about the footage I mean like the footage of the actual like lunar lander leaving the surface the guys bouncing around and all that stuff like if I showed you that footage and you had you you had no idea that anyone had ever been to the moon and I go I show you this Apollo footage of the moon and I say hey Julian I went to the moon you're like fuck you you didn't go to the moon I'm like yeah I got footage look this is this is my lunar lander taking off from the moon you walk pull it up pull up the lunar land or leaving the surface and the camera panning and following it you wouldn't fucking believe me there's no I got no shot I gotta see the footage again that was like a four hour and something podcast that one you did with the two of them yeah I think it was over four hours it was over four hours the footage is just there's so many there's just I think that's got it yeah yeah so this is what you're looking for a day now type in type in lunar lunar lander leaving surface of moon it'll it'll come up because that one it's it's it's it's the craziest one I think it was one of the Apollo mission yeah there it is it's that short oh you're oh you're that day that one yeah yeah so Julian this is my spaceship well I went to the moon you're missing context right here now roll play it we're Stanley Kubrick and we're like all right I got I got it three two catch it got it got it we cut cut cut yeah yeah I'm gonna need to I'm gonna see a little more action on the initial liftoff let's get a second run at this CGI I'll take care of the rest I told you I went to the moon yeah yeah there's no shot we went to the fucking moon dude and I wonder I wonder about how so you talk about the technology and stuff and being able to communicate which is a valid question and then I'm like Annie Jacobson saying DARPA was telepathically talking to dolphins in 1992 it's like how far ahead were these fucking Nazi scientists right you know like what what did they figure out because that's another thing I've never squared with World War II and the you know like the talent level they had within like their rocket program and stuff at in in in Nazi Germany obviously like we took all those guys controversially through Operation Paperclip but it's like I do always wonder if those guys figured out a nuke and had just enough just enough sliver of humanity and them to be like you know maybe the fucking coke downstairs shouldn't get this you know I did and that's to I have no proof of that whatsoever that's just always a scenario I've wondered in my head if if there were just enough guys in that room that were like you know what let's make a deal yeah let's make that deal I'll make that deal yeah George only thinks they actually tested nukes the Nazis yeah not what is he based I can't remember exactly what he said but he was on my podcast saying that they they actually did a nuclear test and where he was I don't fucking remember is so vague in my they did it in Iran they shouldn't done it on Gaza Jesus Christ I forgot he said though bro sometimes the smartest people have the worst takes you know that you can't you can't you can't you can't be a genius in every aspect of life no like I was talking to you about this the other day the some of the most talented musicians in the world by favorite musicians or fucking full blown psychopaths Jerry Lee Lewis murdered two of his wives and married his 13-year-old cousin like some of these people are the worst human beings but they're just insanely talented. And they just know how to they know how to make magic in one way or another, whatever they're fucking creative outlet is. It's like something that they can tap into. But I've always thought with anything, I've always believed this. It's it's in degrees. But like for every point of genius, there's a price that's paid. And then some prices are worse than others. Yeah. So like, you know, maybe someone's like genius at music or something. And they just are really on the spectrum or something like that. That's a way better price to pay than being like a fucking murderous pedophile. Right. Let's let's take the spectrum price. That's a lot better. But there's degrees of a price. And it's and it's so it's like kind of dark to think about sometimes because unfortunately, you can look at great talent and then be like, God, like, listen, fucking love our Kelly's music. I'm happy he's buried under a prison. He's a fucking horrible guy. Right. Like his price is that he's a fucking sociopathic criminal in every facet of it. It's wrong in every way. But there's something weird that like I can know that about him. Be happy that that's the outcome. But be like, yo, I believe I can fly. It's speaking about good music. You want to hear a fucking banger pull up. Look at your game girl by Charles Manson. Do you feel under slayed this track? He slayed it. I heard his music. It's so this, this, this is his best song. Yeah, you cannot fucking do we have, how do we hear this? Do we? also he had some unfortunate help and by help, I mean, not the opposite of help. They were fucking MK Ultra and they asked out at him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But play this jam. He's not going to copy right. It's easy. Oh, well, I have to cut it out. Unfortunately, make a note. This is Charles Manson's thing. Yeah, give us some volume. This is a music video they cut in with it. But just wait, this is a good, this is a good jam. You can't tell me this guy had no shot to be a star. He had a shot. He had a shot. Yeah, and he had same charisma. Like this dude could charm the pants off bin Laden. You know, like he another short guy by the way. Another short guy, right? That's what these fucking short guys, dude. It's a madcock. They're just too ambitious. There's too much ambition with these short guys. Matt Cox calls me every, he called me other day. Every time I talk to him, he started a new podcast. Again, yeah, he's got fucking podcasts on podcasts with all these guys like partnering up and doing podcast deals. He's like a fucking cartel. Don't tell his PO officer that. Remember the inside, the darkness podcast he had. It's basically Mark Light, but we have it out. Oh my god, that was a long time ago. That was old. He just leaves the room. He's like, all right, just talk. I'll be back. Just make sure we get it for YouTube. These short guys, man. But yeah, man, what a fucking, what a crazy story of a guy who intersected so many different parts of American culture and is one of the most biggest cultural icons in the history of America. Charles Manson. Yeah, Charles Manson and Marilyn Monroe. They're on like the same level, just polar opposites. Polar opposites. And he was also like a real, he was a timeline switcher in the sense that killed the when that happened, when the tape murders happen, you can literally, it's like when we draw a map to 9/11 to look at all the geopolitical things that have happened. It all goes back to that when you look at like the culture and the culture ship, boom, night, summer, 1969, those killings ended it. Just totally. And that makes you think it's like, if you want to, and I don't think it takes a big tinful hat at all because like you look at the reporting that Tom O'Neill did on this in chaos, which is an amazing book. Obviously, there were MK Ultra ties to this guy, but they were so worried about what, you know, communist Marxist infiltration in the hippie music into the hippie movement and what that could do to American society. Right. They're like, well, got to, got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet here. Right. And those eggs are just, well, it's just so ironic that it's they were, they were pissed off about people protesting the Vietnam War and the summer of love. And that whole thing was about fucking drugs too. So they want to demonize drugs in the US and do this thing with Charles Manson and try to stain the hippie movement. And that's where the hippie movement completely fucking ended. It ended with Charles Manson. And right after that, what was it in 70? What was it Nixon who did that who who did the drug law where they basically scheduledized all the drugs in the US? That sounds right. We can check. I think it was 1970 with Nixon, where they did that. And like, I think that was, I mean, imagine like, if that never would have happened, how far ahead would we be right now? Yeah. President Richard Nixon signed the controlled substances at the 1970, establishing the five tier federal drugs scheduling system still used today. Yes. Yeah. So if that would have never happened, how far would we have progressed by now if they never would have done all this and stigmatized and made all these drugs illegal, these harmless drugs? I don't know. It could be great. It could be terrible. It could be something in between. I don't know. But it's a prime example of like just doing the full blown knee jerk reaction on the pendulum. Yeah. Just like, well, this is really bad. So let's do the opposite, which is the story of humanity. Yeah. And as you and I've talked about over the years so many times, it's like the pendulum of the law of equilibrium says, you want it less violent, you know, and an action begins in equal but opposite reaction. You can live with it when they're here. When they start to get out here, to get to equilibrium, you really got a clap harder and more violently. And it's like that has reverberating effects on society for sure, which I think about a lot now with how things are because so many people are just like, oh my god, it's all fucking fake. Like what are we even doing? You know, you're living in a year where these some of the upstream files get exposed and no one goes to jail and you're like, oh, these are the people that like are built our modern day America right now and are still in charge of it. And we're just going to let this keep happening. And they're like, yes. And so you can't blame people then when every single thing they look at, they're like, well, that's not real either. Even if something objectively is like, I'm not going to sit here and yell at people for that because I'm like, what have institutions or the people that run them at the highest levels and the real halls of power done to reiterate you trusting them for anything. Not much. Right. Have you noticed on X even like on X, if you're looking at any sort of article or reporting about anything, I always go down to the first comment where there's always some Schmuck who goes, "Grock is this real." And then Grock will verify. That's what I do too. Well, who the fucks go, who's channeling into Grock? Like, right? Like now with like, I default to Grock now. I can't trust. So I've already lost the trust in like the articles that are on Twitter. So now I'm defaulting to Grock as like my north star of whether things are true or not. So, okay, Elon started fucking Grock AI and is doing that probably partnering with Peter Teal in one way or the other. So why am I supposed to like, I'm thinking of thinking this three, we're like, this doesn't make any sense. Why is it like this? You gotta do what Joey Deef does. You have to cross reference all the AI's. Yeah. Is that what you do, Joey? You cross reference Chachi Bt, Grock, Claude, and then just those three. Now that still doesn't eliminate, you know, Kobayas. Doesn't eliminate that, but you can find some cracks sometimes. So we were doing this on that jang episode where he was bringing up an article of Mark Zuckerberg. Oh, do you remember this? Dude, the body language there was immaculate on what? Watching, like watching you guys on that hard time. Yeah. So he was, I mean, dude, he was telling us the story so confidently and using it as like one of the main pillars to hold up his theory, saying that Mark Zuckerberg's parents went to Rabbi Schneerson to get the dollar from him and the blessing because they wanted to have a boy, they already had three daughters and Rabbi Schneerson gave him a blessing and allegedly Mark Zuckerberg was born 18 months later. And then we found this one article because Steve was looking for it. He's not the best Googler. He's getting better. And he found this article and we were reading the article. I was like, I didn't recognize the website. I was like looking through it. I was not linking to any sources. And he, so he asked whatever he asked, Chachi Bt. Is this article real? Pace it in there. The first thing was like, this was a story of an interview by Mark Zuckerberg, allegedly, here's the source, blah, blah, blah. He did open up a new tab in Chachi Bt, asked him again in a different way. And it had this like completely polar opposite response. And it was even being like defensive. Like this is the most abhorrent fake article. It's satirical. And it even says at the bottom of the article that it's not true. Yeah. And there was just no other sources. You stayed on it though, which is really good because it's a big claim. And like you didn't want to stay on it. But you were like, no, no, no, no, it's a big claim. We've got variables in that. The end, you're like, yeah, yeah, we can say, like anyway, Iran. Right. But yeah, you got that's, but it's just a weird thing how Chachi Bt on one hand was saying it was true. And on the other hand, it was saying, it wasn't true. So those fucking AIs came and decided what's real or not. I don't know. Again, maybe the answer is going to be in the middle and maybe that'll end up being good. I don't know. Maybe it's really bad. I really don't fucking know. AIs are really open black hole to me. But like you talked to these guys, like you just had Roman on. I just recorded with Lee Kronin again. And there's a range of people that I can say this about on both sides where you'll have like a, Roman's talking about how AI could end us. You know, it could become way smarter than us. It'll get singular and you know, that sentient I'm sorry and that's that. And then you'll have like Lee Kronin be like, I can't fucking think like it's not gonna be a human. And some of these people are just totally like no, it's just a tool, but where way ahead of it and it can never possibly get ahead of us. And I look at both and I kind of have the same argument. How do you know? Because you're trying, like anything else that's ever come before this, you're trying to predict the future. So you can't say that you know, but like you've been talking to some of these guys that are on opposite sides of it. Like, who do you think is a better argument here? AI is gonna take us over and it's gonna be on to humanity and you know, bootloaders, some fucking weird afterworld or AI is just gonna be a tool like every other technology has been built and we will be in control of it. - Yeah, yeah, a lot of these guys like the guy Roman I was talking to, man talking to him was difficult because he didn't really, he, he, it's very rare you have someone on the podcast who's just not a talker. You know, and then when you, you know how it is, when you sit down with them and you start chatting it up and that you're like, oh fuck, this is gonna be work. (laughing) - Number you with the Elon Musk flight kid, Elon Musk. - Oh yeah, they keep with this super dilated Adderall eyes. - Are you a work and the kid hacked? - The hardest 37 minutes I've ever seen. - No, but that's how I felt with this Roman guy too and I kept asking him questions. I was like, I was like, so how does this shit kill us? And his answer's just like, it's 10 times smarter than me. How do I know how it's gonna kill me? I'm like, have you ever thought about it? I'm trying to have a conversation with this guy and he's like, yes, and I've come to the conclusion that it's 'cause it's a hundred times smarter than me. I will never be able to conclude how it will kill me. He's like, it's like, how would ants imagine you're gonna kill them? I'm like, I don't know. - That's just like a cop-out answer. - That's what I felt like the whole time. So I don't fucking know, man. I think the thing that, and again, this is my fucking tinfoil hack and conspiracy theory. The real issue is how the AI is emerging with the fucking space shit and these NASA guys. Like all the stuff that's Whitney Webb that he's talking about with the data centers that are partnering with open AI and private NASA industries or private NASA entities and intelligence people in the US. And I think what she's doing, paying attention to those guys, the guys she's really investigating and writing about, I think she's probably got her finger on the pulse with the shit that we really need to be worried about in the future of this world. She's got it. Listen, no one's ever write about everything, but she absolutely has to receive some serious credit. And in many cases, vindication from people based on like some of the reporting she did on Epstein in that network for so many years, because people called her crazy on things. Yeah, we see in literally males that she wasn't crazy. Like she had it. And so when I see her talking about something like this, it's like, Dave, what did you just pull up? Jerusalem Post. All right. Can you go up to that headline? Jerusalem Post also told me that Monica, when she was Mossad. Oh, that's who told you Jerusalem Post. When did they tell you that? I don't know a couple of years ago. Where before we did that podcast with with hand hands. Yeah, you remember that when I called him a murderer. I go, so how does the CIA commit murder? Oh, wait, that was before our podcast with Andy and Jim. I think so. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think I looked it up before that. One of the funniest openers of all time. Oh, yeah, he's walking. So yeah, me and Julie, we're talking last night about whether or not the CIA kills people. Do you do that? And he's like, how do you guys murder each other again? Yeah, as you said murder, he goes, well, we don't call her out like, wait a minute. Tomato tomato Andrew. This is from the Jerusalem Post. Israel plans development of space weapons capable of striking targets on Earth. Defense Minister Israel cat said space capabilities would provide the IDF with an advantage in future conflicts as Israel seeks to become a leading space power. You don't have enough of an advantage. You've been fucking carpet bomb and city blocks for the last fucking three years. Israel is set to develop offensive space capabilities as part of defense ministries multi-year budget plan for the space sector, including systems to divine design to defend Israeli satellites from hostile spacecraft and weapons capable of striking targets on Earth from space. The plan includes upgrades to existing capabilities, including expanded intelligence collection from space and improved communication systems, a dedicated budget will be a lot will be allocated for offensive space activity as part of a broader effort to strengthen their position in the space domain. The first is the expansion of IDF intelligence collection capabilities from space through multiple layers. This is where you're cooking, Danny Jones. This is what what he's talking about, allowing operations around the clock in all weather conditions and across multiple locations simultaneously the second area involves establishing broad resilient and continuous communications capabilities for the defense establishment. Yeah, these guys are just trying to get rich, bro. They're getting rich and they're keeping their power and they're creating some sort of a fucking who knows what breakaway civilization. They're going to go to, I mean, what's it called Patagonia is probably a great place to survive a nuclear war. Have you ever seen the Jericho map? What's the Jericho? Oh, no, is that the fucking? Is that the ain't the new Babylon? Steve pulled this up with palm. This is supposed to be part of Israel. So these are the places on earth that are safe from. Oh, yeah, look at that. Israeli Jericho. The Jericho. Yeah, look, Argentina. Look for us almost in it. Floor is almost in it, but not quite. And then also Australia, New Zealand where they're building the billionaire bunkers. Yeah. So basically like teals in Argentina, and it's in New Zealand, and there's no coincidence there. No, yeah, that's perfect. Right. That's what he wants. Yeah. And fucking article. It's way too cold there. There's too many polar bears. Argentina is great because you're right there in the middle of Chile. California is going to live apparently. Part of the Southern California, right? The cartels are going to be all right, too. The cartels are good, but China's done. So why is it this though? Why is it? I mean, if you made maybe if you made this round, it would make sense. But like looking at it flat like this, I don't get. Why is that that's the range? That's the range of the ICBMs. Yes. That is that would the Jericho missiles, right? And these are, oh, these are Israel's missiles. Yeah. Okay. That's their range. I get it now. Now how far can he runs ICBMs go? Not that far, but they like that's the thing. Like you're up sitting there like what the fuck fence? They're ICBMs. Yeah. Wait, why are you saying it like that? Because they don't have fucking ICBMs. I mean, I don't think they do that. All people that I've talked to said they don't. We talked to them. Who was just telling me this? I had someone really smart telling me this recently. God damn it. Who was it? Somebody very credible. If it came out that they didn't have ICBMs, that makes this somehow even somebody was telling me that they basically maybe I was watching. Maybe this is on my podcast or maybe I saw this somewhere. But somebody was telling me that like when they start to create build ICBMs, that requires a lot of collaboration industrially from from from Russia. They were saying like they were going to have to get a lot of technology from Russia to build that stuff. Then you start getting into like shipping stuff and like the intelligence around that they have locked down on Iran. They're going to be able to like one it's one thing to basically enrich the uranium to a certain level, right? Like they can keep that kind of compartmentalized to a to a degree. But once you start trying to build ICBM rockets and shit now you're you're building in shipping channels shipping lanes. You're moving shit it on roads importing it from other countries and all this stuff. So the layer of intelligence spreads out more you're having more fail points because you're exposing yourself more. So you're saying they would have been like bombed or something. They would have been caught trying to do that kind of stuff. And they probably know they would have been caught trying to do that. But when they told me that no one does anything about it because it's not a nuclear situation. So they're like well we can't bomb them. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know how this would work. Look if fucking nukes it seems like nukes are the cause of all their problems. Why not just go to fossil fuels. If I run Iran, I'm burning gas. I'm going to go back to I'm going to just drill oil and run on my energy on oil because it seems like this nuclear shit seems to be the cause of all their problems, right? And they're in the middle of all this oil everywhere. Why not just use oil? Yeah, but they also since this regime came into power. They've had a target on their back from a lot of Western governments and obviously then Israel is fucking banging down America's door all the time saying, you got to take them out of power or whatever. That I think the nuclear thing came up out of like a survival mode. I mean, you look at this war. One of the most vindicated guys. I hate to say this. But one of the most vindicated guys in this war is Kim Jong-un. He's got nukes and he gets to keep running in a totalitarian regime and we're not bombing him. In fact, he's trying to meet with him. He's probably going to die a quiet death in his bed all alone, not probably not getting blown up by a helicopter. Not getting blown up by a helicopter rocket. And there's something to be said for that that now you are proving that guy's point. Bye. like you are making the broken cloth. - Yes. - Be right twice a day. - You have to be a lying cheating sociopath that survived in the world. - But that's-- - And that's what Kim Jong-un's dad did, right? He fucking lied about not doing a new program with Clinton. I think he promised Clinton that he wasn't gonna have a nuclear program and then he fucking did it. - And they did it. - Yeah. - And that's the thing. It's like you do have to look in the mirror though. You gotta do the old Central Park Zoo thing. - What's the Central Park Zoo thing? - They used to have a mirror and above it, it said the world's most dangerous animal and you'd look in it as a human. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Wow, it looks like a fancy level. - Yeah, but you gotta, I think especially now with all the erosion of the institutions and seeing the rot that's within them, you gotta look in the mirror and say, you know, - Are we really the good guys? - Like, let me put that a better way. And this is how a lot of countries around the world could put it 'cause governments are not their people. - Are governments really the good guys? - Right. - I don't think there's a lot of good evidence to show that right now. - It seems like, you know, when you are, and I've said this since the beginning, when you are giving me a literal intellectual reason to have to defend an action that the Iranian government's taking, you have dramatically fucked up. - You've lost the plot. - Yeah, 'cause I'm like, people are like, "Well, why are they bombing bases?" And I'm like, "Oh, I don't know. "Maybe 'cause their whole fucking country got bombed." Like, "What do you want him to do? "This is how war works." Like, you can't just go fucking try to say, "Yeah, we're gonna use the biblical prophecy "to bomb them off the face of Planner." Oh, sorry about the girl's school. And not think your bases are gonna get hit? Like, this is Warfare 101. - Yeah. - An idiot at home knows this. - Yeah. - You know, but like, then ask yourself, "Well, why is that not?" We fucking did it. You can't just fucking invade whatever country we want. - And now they're trying to merge the Iran War with the Ukraine War. Did you see this stuff? - When you say merge. - So, allegedly, this is what I heard from. I forget who told me this, but what's his name? Zilinski, "Bombsum Ship" in some fucking waterway. - Jane told you this. - Yes, Jane told me this. There you go. He bombsum ship that had something to do with Iran to try to get drawn into the Iran War, so we can get more funding for the Ukraine War. - Treaty policy too? - Oh, Treaty policy wrote this. - Oh, is she legit? - No, no, that's, he's a guy. He's on my show. - Treada? - Oh, he's on your show. - Oh, cool. - That was so treaty too. - What's his story? Where's he from? - Treada was from Iran and his dad was. - Oh, that guy. - His dad was in prison there. - That guy was great. - So that one. - He was four. - Yup. - And he's been outspoken against it, but he's also been one of the few in the Iranian diaspora who has advocated hardcore against intervention there. - Right. - And therefore, people try to then say, like, oh, he works for the RGC, which I do not believe he does at all. I think he's very against those guys. - So what was the ocean or the little tiny sea over there? It was by Azerbaijan. That there was a ship there that Zelensky bombed. Maybe you can find that. - And-- - All right, so wait. Is this the article? - We're already on it. - Okay, so he attacked the ship. - Let me just read it from the top. We'll start there. That Ukraine's, as Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky arrives and Washington much indicates that he's no longer merely trying to draw greater American support into its war against Russia increasingly it appears to be pursuing something far more consequential, murdering Ukraine with the US or Ron conflict, which by the way, this is an obvious point, but this is the stuff of world wars. Like this is literally how it happens. You merge a bunch of places, different conflict zones, and suddenly boom, it's everywhere. But into a single strategic theater, the distinction matters if the two wars become one or Ukraine ceases to be merely a recipient of American military assistance and instead becomes a direct participant in Washington's war with Tehran by this meaning like a literal ally in that way under the terminology. By the same token, the United States would no longer simply be Ukraine's principal arms supplier. It would become an active belligerent against Russia through a conflict that stretches from the black sea to the Caspian. Now, can we find that sea that Danny was referring to that he bombed today? - Caspian. - Today, however, to do, let's see. Can we search the word attack? Is maybe that's in there? Israel attacking around the sea. No, no, no, no. Okay, but they attack something by the, we say it's by the black sea. - Near Azerbaijan. - Near Azerbaijan. - Maybe that's the sea that's right there. Little tiny waterway. That's like right now. - Yeah, where did, where did Zelensky, - If you just pull the map, I can tell, I can pull this. - Okay, on March 5th, 2026 to Iranian, one way attack drones struck the Azerbaijanian enclave. - Oh, so this was a while ago. - No, that's a different one. That's Iranian, Zelensky attack near Azerbaijan. - I might be throwing you off with the Azerbaijan thing. - All right, so Zelensky attack near Iran. Try that. - Okay. - Yeah, 'cause maybe it wasn't Azerbaijan. Let's get it right. - Yeah, so in late July, 2026, Ukrainian long-range drones struck military supply lines and vessels in the Caspian Sea. - Okay. - Resulting in a direct escalation and sharp threats from Iran. On July 25th to 26th, 2026, Ukrainian drone strikes hit targets in the Caspian Sea, including Russia missile boat and sanctioned cargo vessels. Zelensky confirmed the operation. - We did it. - So Russia, Iran friends, Zelensky or Ukraine, and Russia enemies, so if he punches Russia who is helping Iran, now it's like, hey, look, I'm a part of this triangle, right? Does that make sense? - Yeah, it does make sense. - Okay, so. - You see, we're sending it. We just sent Ratcliffe over to fucking Russia. - I saw that this morning, yeah. I was on the plane vigorously reading all the news. - So CIA director, he didn't meet with Putin there. - Trump said it was semi-standard. Semi-normal. - Of course, he said that. - Meeting. - Yeah. - What do you think that was about? - I don't know. - How long was that meeting? Did we know that? He met with him. I wanna say it was like an hour. - Yeah, so then he didn't meet with Putin, but he met with the FSB or whatever. Some of the intelligence folks. - Mine. - How long do we keep this going? - First of all, that's not standard at all. - The secret trip to Moscow. - All right, well, we should make of CIA boss, the secret trip to Moscow from the BBC. President Trump said Ratcliffe's trip was a semi-routine visit, but there was nothing routine about a CIA chief making a secret 10,000 mile return dash to Moscow. He met Russian intelligence officials on Tuesday, notably as opposite member in Russia's overseas spy agency, Sergei Narishin, after arriving unannounced on a US military plane, the Kremlin confirmed. It's been nearly five years since his predecessor, William Burns, made this trip, and that was at a similarly tense time just as Russia was drawing up plans to invade Ukraine. So this is probably serious. But the difference now is it's an active war, and we've been in funding the other side of an active war that's going on there, which this could be really bad. It could be what the BBC is saying here, which is like maybe some shits about to go down there. - Like please, like cooler heads prevail. It's very possible. My head more goes towards like, the fix is in a little bit here. - Yeah. - Like I, let's, you chill with some of those missiles. - What are we gonna do? - We'll chill with some of these drones. - We're gonna do next. We're fun in 13 playing, we're gonna make it two. We're gonna make it two. Little fucking midget over here. We'll take care of him, don't worry about it. Just stop letting Iran use that supply line right there. Would you? - Yeah, sometimes I just wonder, like if you go, you know, we know how, at least in local politics or in American politics, it's like we kind of, everyone kind of knows it's a uniparty. It's like the same guy's got both puppets in each hand. The guy on the left, the guy on the right, the same guy controlling both puppets, the Bill Hicks joke. It's like, maybe it's like that with countries. Maybe there's these families that have tons of money, and maybe they run banks, and maybe they also can simultaneously control one country with the right hand, another country with the left hand, and try to use these world leaders as their own puppets to achieve whatever goals that they have. While you have their little do-boys, like Jeffrey Epstein running around, trying to make side deals and hustle and blackmail operate. - You got to turn on the vent before you cook like this, Daniel Jones, temperature's going to get too high. I think you're over the target here. - Oh God, and they can put on their ropes with Steve Manning and do say on the rules. (all laughing) - Fucking tongue. - Oh, yeah, I'm starting to think that your maybes there are a very unnecessary hedge, you know what I mean? - Yeah, no, it seems like it's just seems so crazy to say that and actually be, you know, actually feel like you're backed by evidence and not just some crazy cook, because this is like cookie shit two years ago. - Yeah, you've had to watch me reevaluate my reality on phone calls, be like, yeah, remember I used to think that? - Yeah. - Winds are pointing in a different direction now. - Right. - Which you have to be able to do. You have got to be able to change as things change, which by the way, you know, if that means like, we find out some things that are less as bad as we thought in the future, which selfishly, I hope we do, like, I'll change with that. But right now, it's been one of those years where you're like, oh, so the fucking rapin' and eatin' them now. It's like, what the fuck are we doing? - Yeah. - You know, it's just like, there's been a few times where I have to go like this. And it's like, look at deep and I'm like, are we still here? here. Is this thing on? Yeah. You know? And there's something really darkly comedic about it and just being some fucking asshole talking about it on YouTube. But then the stronger feeling is that there's something darkly for boating about it that is this open. And like I was saying 20, 30 minutes ago, nothing's being done about it. Yeah. Which suggests it is so deep rooted that they just don't care. They know what's coming. Right. Yeah. And how many more fucking Jeffrey Epstein's are there running around the world right now? You know, like he was the one that was like offered up to us on a silver platter. That is kind of like, God damn it at some level. I feel like that could be like holding the shiny object somewhere. Like, hey, look at this evil monster that existed. We're going to give you these files. The ones we can give you. And we're going to keep some of them. But you're going to really get to see who this guy really was. So go throw a fit about this. Talk about it on YouTube. Talk about it on X. We're not going to throttle that shit at all. In fact, we're going to push it. Remember when we couldn't put it in. I remember when you were you were literally telling me don't put the word Epstein in a YouTube title because no one will ever see the video. And then in the last couple of your last year and a half, it's been completely off the rails. Like shit about Epstein going complete everything on YouTube. I open up my YouTube app and it's just video after video after video about Epstein million views, million views, million views, reels with hundreds of millions of views about this stuff. And everyone's talking about it across every single social media platform. So why is that? And crazy, just insane pendulum swing. So it's like, is it trying to show us the the monster to disguise some sort of fucking evil machine monster machine that's still operational behind the scenes? Because that's what it seems like. It seems like the society and the cultural culture culture, easy for you to say, in this global economic world that we live in with, you know, all these billionaires and world leaders doing these backdoor deals behind the veil just enables people like this guy to exist. So I mean, just from the research that you've been doing on your show, you've exposed all of these crazy people like the fucking that that Spanish guy who had the wife he deported, who has some fake title in the Trump administration, Zampala or whatever, fuck his name is like people like this guy. Like the fact it enables people like that guy to be real, you know, and I'm not I don't think that that people like him or I have no reason to believe that that guy's any more innocent than Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, I, to an extent, I'll agree with you. He seems like a prototypical really just not good guy in every way before you even get to some of the things that he could or could not have been allegedly, you know, for your honor out there watching, you know, involved with, but it's crazy. His place is like a mile from here. Oh, that's nice. Like we're sitting like a mile. We could go knock on his door right now. Right. I'll stay in for it. That's what's so weird. It's right in the middle of us and everything in this whole underworld. And by the way, that part that I couldn't when I talked with Amanda for an hour and then she gave me permission to go public with most of our conversation, the part that I couldn't talk about, one of them is actually now public. Oh, okay. Well, so while I was on the phone with her, I was here in a mail as she would talk in Portuguese to a mail voice once in a while. Oh, no. And I was like my friend, my boyfriend, Steve. No, no, no, no. I was like, I was like, throughout the conversation, I kept being like, yes, so your husband, the doctor that they threw in jail, pending trial with this thing where they arrested you, you know, what's the story there? She goes, I'll get through that. And then as the conversation is going, like, why do I feel like she's talking to the husband? And she goes, so anyway, you know, he's here now. And he was there, whether or now it's come out, like he literally just jumped out of the US. And I'm like, you know, and they're acting like it's now causing a problem with Trump and the Brazilians that this happened. I'm like, they let a guy I'm guessing he like cut off his ankle monitor and just bail from the US who was married to a woman who's directly tied to the reason that Melania Trump came out to talk about the Epstein files at a White House press conference. Right. You know, they're, they're saying they can pick up heartbeats in the middle of Iranian mountains and they let this guy to go go to Brazil, get the fuck out of here. And you just wonder why that is. But I, yeah, yeah, I don't, there are a lot of people like that that exist. The thing I've equated it to with, and it's always existed. It's always existed. The thing I've equated it to with just Epstein, like just think about him for a minute. No one else is you've seen those videos before where someone's like you just see the it's like a satisfying video where someone's hand is in the side of an embankment, you know, and some pond or something and they're pulling on a weed and then and they keep pulling and it gets longer and longer. And there's a trickle of water coming out, trickle of water, a trickle of water, and then like a minute in they finally pull the whole thing and it goes and the water comes out like crazy. Jeffrey Epstein is the weed. He's just the weed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. The water behind him. Now here's the part I can't square though. Here's the part I cannot square to this point. For years, it was like if you ever mentioned the word Rothschild. Oh, no, you can't say that. You know, and there's other families too, like Rockefeller. Why am I forgetting something right now? They offered him up on a silver plaque. The Asteroids. And here's exactly. Why did why did Les Wexner go out of his way to mention them? Why did Bill Clinton go out of his way to mention them? Why did all these other people start to the Jeffrey Epstein's account and go out of his way to mention them? Like what my favorite moment was when Bill Clinton was looking at the photos. Give me that back bitch. Yeah. Oh, he was fucking remedied. I remember that night. That was a great time. We actually stayed out till about four or five. Oh, you doesn't give a fuck, dude. Listen, bad guy would love to have a beer. Fucking be able to imagine that podcast. Well, I mean, now I don't even need a podcast. I don't want to do that. But like, we'd just love to get him six sheets to the win one night and just light it. Fucking, you know, he's also one of those guys that Karyaku talks about how he could just charm the pants off you. Yeah. Anybody. He walks into a room and people just fucking their jaws. They melt. They melt. They melt. He has them in the palm of his hand. Yeah. I told you what is one story I won't tell you because she get pissed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not him. Someone I know was like the most diet coke Republican of all time. I'm good dog. And like she liked them. And then the other story I will tell is my grandfather who's now deceased. He his whole life. He was just like pool red, you know, whatever the Republican was running in anything that's all he did. Like that's it. And he fucking hated Bill Clinton when he was in office because it was like that was the thing. Yeah. Bill Clinton. He's a Democrat. He met Bill Clinton. I forget what it was that maybe it was like they were opening his company was opening up a new plant or something like that. I don't remember don't quote me on that. Yeah. Unfortunately, he's not here. So I can't ask him. But he met him and he said the thing happened. He's like he was walking up and you know, he's being respectful. It was it was the I believe he was the sitting president at the time. So it was the president and you know, he's like, hello sir. Good to meet you. But he wanted to leave it at that. And then they got to talk and he's like this son of a bitch. You can't help but not while you're in his presence like him. Right. There is just the Riz on that guy. The Riz. The Riz is the Moxie him and Charles Manson both. That but yeah. Yeah. Actually, that's not a horrible comparison. Right. In weird ways. The way you can just manipulate people to do anything you wanted to do. I want to know what to do. I want to know where the break moment was for someone like that. Like, think of you know, was it when he was nine and you know, someone beat the shit out of him? Was it when he was 12 and he witnessed something horrible? Was it when he was 15 and someone kicked him off the dodgeball team at recess? I like, I don't know. What was the moment where he went dark? Like, you remember. I don't think that's how it works. You think it's a slow descent. I think it's a very slow burn. I think I think your toe gets in the door. I think, you know, maybe you get an opportunity to get this job in government and whatever. People see your charismatic. Maybe you're good salesman and a little coach. So well, you know, then you get a job, you know, it run in, you know, in Arkansas and then there's like, Hey, man, you know, we got this guy. He's a firefighter pilot. We caught him flying all these drugs, but you know, we can use this stuff to make black ops money and do all these illegal activities everywhere because no one's going to ever trace the paper trail and we'll slide you a million dollars for every shipment. Like, fuck, dude, if I'm how old he was when he was running Arkansas, maybe in his 30s, like super young, I don't know if I could say no to that. Does that mean you're morally bad? Does that make you morally bad? Like, just because you, I mean, there's really, there's already tons of Coke being being shipped to the country with fucking ask a bar. Now, you know, which one? What, what, what, what, what? What do you mean? Pablo or Pablo Pledge Cabar? Yeah. Oh, you got to, I don't know about this Pledge Cabar. You gotta, you gotta tell me all about this. The Penn State Co-cring? Yeah, the Penn State Co-cring sounds fucking wise. This is the government big government picking on small businesses. Once again, I can't wait to hear. about this. But yeah, dude, like I could be if before I don't know if he was married back then, but like before I was married, before I had kids, there's a lot of shit I would have probably done for a million dollars. Well, I would a lot of shit. I would have done for a hundred thousand dollars. You know, and it's not like how immoral is it to fucking let a little coke come through the airport? I've done, dude. I mean, when it comes to drugs, I don't know. I mean, I draw the line at certain, in certain aspects of life, there's lines you got to draw, right? I'm not importing fucking underage girls from modeling agencies to traffic them to my friends. But when it comes like a little coke, and then that gets to a little, be a little bit more coke. And, you know, before you know it, you're fucking tying kids up on train tracks and you got a kid. And this guy committed suicide by shooting himself with a shotgun in the back of the head. One of the shipments gets fucked up. You got to kill the guy now you get a murder. It's like breaking back. It goes off the rails, you know, at some point you lose the plot. And it's just like this, everything ties back to Skip Bayless. You know, he started out as a good sports journalist. Reporting part is one of two people I've ever blocked on Twitter. And he starts to, you know, he criticizes LeBron once people start jumping on. He starts to get a little bit more attention. And now it's his whole persona is hating LeBron. That's what happened to Bill Clinton. So I agree with you. I think I think it can absolutely be a slow descent. I think there's examples of both though. I wonder if Bill Clinton was one of those where there was a breaking moment. And he suddenly was just like, fuck this. I'm the man. I'll do what I want. It could very well be what you just pointed out. Yeah, I could see that. Then again, it's like goes to Harvard, Bob then, you know, Elite Circles, if you will, makes that marriage with Hillary, which isn't real. It's a business relationship. You know, she doesn't play for his team, obviously. It's like and then he's this huge dog. That's early on. That's early on. They did that. He, you know, dude, I had this guy speaking of Hillary. I had this guy on my show a couple months ago who was telling me some insane shit. And I want to ask you back because I know you know a lot about this shit. The Anthony Weiner laptop, this frazzled drip conspiracy. Have you heard of this? I know you heard of this. Yeah. Some really sick shit. And apparently it got into the hands of the law enforcement. And they saw it. And it was so disturbing that they committed. I've heard, I've heard that there were people who viewed that from law enforcement. Is that is that a real thing? They did off themselves. I have heard that. I didn't know them. So I don't know. Yeah. I think they're, it's been a while. I think there's something confirmed. They're deep, deep will find it to where you can point to people that were involved with it who did off themselves. Someone wants to poke holes and say, well, you know, they had other things going on their life. Well, if these cops accidentally came across footage of Hillary Clinton doing something illegal. Yeah. I mean, that's the least of not you would say. I wouldn't say that their lifespan is going to be that long. That's right. So the frazzled drip thing, the speculation on it is exactly what you said that it is as dark as it gets. And so much so the guys would have off themselves about it. The public has never had a chance to see it though. And which makes sure this is there something to hide there. That's where my head goes. And it's like, what if it's also what if it's worse than that? What if it's not, if you can't be just bare with me here? What if it's not even like the Clintons? What if it's the people you don't know about? Right. Because I do not to take not to take the onus off political families like the Clintons who I think are inherently evil. Let's let's let's make sure we have that outlined right there. So we don't lose that thought. But I do think people like the Clintons have less power than we ever thought they did. I feel like they are very useful pawns on the board, which by the way, if your scenario, which could be right of like how it happens for like a Bill Clinton is kind of how it happened. Or in that pattern of how it happened, the slow slippery descent. Yeah. It's the most perfect candidate ever because you just keep dipping them a little more and a little more and a little more and be like, oh, this guy's got Riz too. Let's put him in. Yeah. Oh, he'll fucking play ball. You know. So yeah, I think I think some of the air quotes here conspiracies around Anthony Weiner are very legitimate questions that people ask. Yeah. And I think it's really weird that that got shoved under the rug because he's also the most diss-like guy. Oh my god. His interview with PBD was the best interview PBDs ever. I agree. He fucking that guy. Oh my god, dude. It was a bloodbath. The guy's just not human. The guy, the guy, the guy, he didn't seem like a fucking human. He couldn't, everything was so fucking fake and measured just like a prototypical politician, but like on steroids with that guy. I agree completely. He was, and you're right though, you're right about like the initial story is the perfect conspiracy because it's Hillary Clinton who's tied to Epstein and it's going to be like, oh, they're definitely covering that up because these cops all Hillary Clinton do an evil. And like the fucking thing that really rattled me was when, uh, Joe, not Joe, but Hunter Biden went on Tucker's podcast for whatever it's worth, whether you want to say he was full of shit or not, he explained the laptop thing. I don't know if you heard what he said. I haven't. The basically what Hunter Biden said was he said he got his cloud hacked and everything from his digital footprint from the beginning of time from since he got a fucking iPhone or a laptop, everything from his whole life, his full 360 digital footprint was in his cloud, which got hacked and he said that that was put on the laptop because he, according to what he said was that it was way too much information, like terabytes upon terabytes of data. That was allegedly on this one laptop that he brought into this computer repair shop where the fucking guy who owned it was blind, legally blind and didn't even see him. Makes Cash Patel looks great. I know. Like, so now you start to think like when that first came out, you're like, oh, wow, this is campaign and they're manipulating the election and trying to hide this stuff to help Joe Biden. But then when you hear this guy's story, you start to realize, oh my god, this could have been a whole fucking counter intel plot where it was the fucking Republicans who hacked his laptop and tried to get all this stuff out there and it was literally the people on the democratic side who was running a counter intel operation knowing that no, they hacked him to try to steal the election. So we're gonna fucking suppress that and try to run it back, try to push back the other way, you know, like it's a full fucking 360 degree intelligence war from both sides. If you wanted to believe what Hunter Biden said, what do you think of him doing this whole tour? I've said I will not have him on. It's so weird. It's so weird. I don't know. The guy's got charisma for sure. Oh, he definitely he's definitely fun to listen to, but it's just fucking weird. I don't know what to make of it. It's just like there's something about it that is it just again feels like just something very fake in your face. What I will say, though, is that the laptop scenario that you lay out there, whether or not that's bullshit or true, just the whole thing around it is multi-layered and bizarre. Right. Because you look at the laptop thing. All the guys signed off on or something. Yeah, I always get that confused. Okay. So all it was like 51 or 53 high level intelligence people all wrote this letter. Well, someone wrote it and then they all signed it in the buildup to the election saying this was a Russian disinformation campaign. To be clear, there are some full blown scumbags for short like proven scumbags on that list, like a John Brennan stuff like that and like the worst of like your deep state kind of people. Maybe they're all that way, by the way, I don't know, but there's a lot of heavy hitters on there and other people who maybe before that, you know, unless you were just doing the as many people probably right justly do now, once CIA, always CIA kind of thing with people. These weren't people that you would have pointed to, like the middle of conspiracies or something like that. It was a large list. And so there were a few questions I asked myself. I said, okay, they knew all of them knew when they signed this. This was not the case. Every single one of them. Whether it was the bad people, the good people, or if they're all bad, they all knew it wasn't real. So why they knew what they knew what wasn't right? They knew it wasn't Russian disinformation for me. Right. Right. Right. Right. Okay. That was bullshit. So why'd they sign it? Well, the first one is, well, they're all deep state scumbags. That's the easy answer. Maybe, and maybe that's what it is. Right. Okay. They want to get a job. Yeah. But the other reason is, this is what I can't square. They're not dummies. Some people are really far gone on there, like a John Brennan, really far gone. So maybe throw him out, but like, they're not dummies. These These are smart people. Why would they say? sign their name to something that's gonna that's gonna affect an election that is going to be disproven in the future. It that at least what they're saying on there already too. So if they're all going to go down with the ship, you know, misery. But that's what I'm saying. Why would you sign that? And this is where I get a little like 3D in my head and I go, what if they know something else? Some of the people on there. Right. And let me pull this back one second. Let's assume they're all scumbags. Let's even assume that first case scenario. These are the all 53 of them are the worst people on earth. But they know something so bad that like they're like, hey, you know, yeah, we can't let this happen. It's the least bad option. Which right to be clear, you should never do this. But like that's how what if that that's how they rectify it in their head, which is I mean, you want to talk about slippery slope. I mean, need to go there. But I'm like, I'm just trying to figure out the why. And I've never gotten a great answer to that. But I have some thoughts in my head. Right. Yeah. What I mean, what if Hunter Biden had some sort of like, this is like completely out there hypothetical had some sort of like dirt on somebody somewhere on one of his devices. And the opposition, the opposing party knew about it had hacked his cloud, tried to get it all. And then said, well, we hacked his cloud now. Now we have to really fucking discredit this guy and really throw him to the fucking wolves and end Joe Biden's campaign. So what we're going to do is we're going to have somebody go deliver this laptop to this blind dude. And they're going to think it's Hunter Biden just getting his laptop repair and he's conveniently going to find all this shit. So it's like, it is this like 3D 4D thing. You don't know how far down the line this thing started. We're only seeing like the tip of the iceberg. But below the water is just so much shit that could go so far. And like, yeah, like you said, they're all fucking scumbags. And they're all just trying to fight for power and decline the latter. Like John Brennan types do. Yeah, I just couldn't, but it's just like, yeah, we only get the tip, the whipped cream. It's impossible to think like like you look at some of the people on that list who were in that for 40 years. It's impossible to think like they think from the worst case scenario to the best case scenario. Yeah. Right. And I'm assuming the worst. But I do want I at least want to know what it was. Like what? And we're never going to know. But like what the thing was that they're like, this is so bad that. Yeah, we're going to openly lie. Who is the guy? Was he? I don't know if this guy has signed it. The guy who lied to Congress about NSA. Clapper. He did sign it. He signed it. You see. Yeah, I don't think he's a very good guy. Clapper is going right. I'm going left. So I'm with you. And that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's there's never, and that's the thing. There's never a good enough reason to break the seal. Like to break the thing the bound that makes it all possible. That makes like the freedom of a country possible. There is never a good enough reason. It's the same reason why we have the quote of like 100 guilty men on the street is better than one innocent man in prison. It's not fun to think about. Right. But we have that quote for a reason. The job is to put the government to the test on things. You know, so it's not the standard is even higher when you have access to the secrets of this place. And that's why I just, you know, it's just gasoline on the fire when I see people like that do that. I just want to know why they did it. Right. You know, it's not as simple as like, wow, we just don't like Trump. Not that simple. Right. Has to be something else. Yeah. Like whenever I see Clapper a tide to anything, I instantly don't believe it. And essentially this whole UFO thing because he's like that he is one of the main people pushing this whole fucking UFO disclosure thing. He's in every single congressional hearing. He's right there. And like Clapper has been Clapper even seeing that. He's in like the front row behind everybody. We pulled that up. Real quick. I got to piss. I want to hear about. Yeah. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. All right. We're back. We're going to come right back to the Clapper thing. But a little breaking news from the Hormuz letter. Break news. Joey Dief just found this based on something we were talking about a little bit ago. The US military is now experiencing a beyond critical shortage of advanced Patriot missile interceptors in Europe due to Trump's war with Iran. Meaning the US military does not have enough patriots to stop any potential sustained Russian ballistic missile attack. That's awesome. Per US/NATO officials to the Associated Press. In the event of a direct hot war with Russia, including strikes on a military base or power plant, NATO would now have very limited capability to defend Europe and be forced to "take punch after punch in the mouth." This comes on the same day Russia directly warned it could start bombing the UK military bases due to UK support for Ukraine with Zacharovah saying British military sites in Ukraine and beyond its borders could be targeted. Well, that's awesome. So let me go back to that Radcliffe meeting, Danny Jones. He walks in there and goes, "Hey." No, that's shit we've been saying the last five. Listen, we're silly gooses. But we didn't mean all of it. It's just a little posturing. Yeah. Well, to quote, to quote Putin on his interview with what the fuck is his name? Oliver Stone. Have you see that? The interview with Putin interviews. Yeah, he's asking about Trump and he's asking about, "Wow, we have a great relationship. What about Hillary Clinton?" Hillary Clinton or somebody asked Putin, "What do you make of the claims that they've been saying that you're equivalent to Hitler, especially Hillary Clinton said that?" And his response was, "Hillary Clinton is a very dynamic woman." Yes. It's a dynamic woman. Oh, man. There got to be, I don't think there's no, there's not going to be a nuclear war, bro. There's no comfortable with that. I don't think I feel very comfortable that- I'm glad you're comfortable. I feel comfortable that Russia is not going to launch a nuclear missile. And so Annie Jacobson hasn't rubbed off on you with nuclear war. She doesn't think there's going to be a nuclear war either. She seems a little worried about it. Or the whole look about it. Based on her book, I'm very inclined to believe that Putin or the United States or China, all the big- the only one that's- all bets are off is Israel. I don't know if they're going to launch a nuke, but all of the other ones, I don't think they're launching a nuke. They're not suicidal. Israel's the only one that could say, "Fuck everyone, we're going to launch the nuke and bring back the fucking antichrist, fuck it." But I don't think it's going to happen. One of the things about her book that scared the shit out of me more than anything was that these interceptors they're talking about. They're only like 44 percent accurate. So when they tested these things on other missiles, not- and they're not even testing them against, like, supersonic missiles. They're testing them against like generic low-tech missiles, right? Not supersonic shit. 44 percent accurate. So the thing about nuclear war that Annie describes in her book is that when you launch a nuclear war, you don't launch one missile. You launch the the mother load. So we have, if you can google it, "How many interceptors does the United States have?" I might be getting that stat wrong. It might be 44 interceptor missiles and the accuracy is like 40 percent or something like that. The US has 44 actors on face interceptors. GBI specifically designated for homeland defense against long-range intercontinental ballistic missiles. So we have 44 interceptors. Now what is the accuracy percentage-wise of each of those interceptors? US interceptor accuracy nuclear, all right. Go back, deep. So recent conflicts of drain US defense reserves quickly using a roughly 65. Yeah. So Annie, go back to what we had deep. And then do do the on the ask anything say what is the percentage accuracy of these interceptors? That should probably give it to us. Okay. It's thinking the test accuracy rate of approximately 55 to 57 percent. That's one out of two. That's generous for what Annie claimed in her book. She said it was lower than that. So we have 44. Now how many inner continental ballistic missiles does Russia have? I do the math. So if they launch a nuclear war, they're not just going to send a handful. They're sending the fucking mother load. And the way Annie described this to me is we're not only fucked by how many interceptors we have and how accurate they are. What is it? 300? 520 to 530 for immediate launch. Okay. So yeah, ready to go in less than a minute over 500. So the problem with this is the communication between the countries. So in her war, in her book, this scenario about nuclear war, she's using the hypothetical situation of North Korea launching a nuke. So North Korea launches a nuke and you have something like 17 minutes from the time it's launched to what it actually is. And she hypothetically theorizes in her book that they're going to try to hit Washington with the first strike. And the second strike is supposed to hit the minute men in like Montana. So these people, when they're, these people, when they war game nuclear war, they, the people who are being attacked, the second they find out that there's an incoming ICBM, they have to empty the minute men silos, because those are stationary, right? We have nukes all over the place and planes. We can get planes off the ground instantly. We have nuclear subs all over the fucking world with tons of IC, with tons of tons of nuclear warheads on them, merged warheads. But the ones that are, we have to get out of the silos instantly are the ones that are stationary in the ground in Montana, because either have to use it or lose it, because we have to assume that they're going to target those and try to render those things useless. So the second are satellites detect a rocket being launched anywhere in the world, like North Korea, for example. We have like within that 17-minute window from launch to detonation, we have like three or four minutes to launch our nukes. And we have to figure out where to point them. So we have to know where they're going. And we have to be able to, to program on that, that's all pre-programmed, right? There's like, within that nuclear football, there's like launch codes. So we have a certain code for North Korea, we have another code for Russia, another code for China, wherever. I shouldn't make that code wrong. I have wrong fourth digit, my bad. Right. So, and what she points out is if North Korea launched an ICBM, it has to overfly Russia. So, and if we shoot them back, which we have to, it has to go over Russia. What did she say? She says the last time that we try to get Russia on the phone about something very urgent, it took like more than a day for them to get back to us. So we have to, we have to launch our minute-minute missiles and we have to call get Russia on the horn stat and say, "Yo, we're launching these things at North Korea. Not for you. Don't shoot your missiles back at us." But it's not very likely they're going to answer the phone on the first call on the first ring. I can't believe that. There has to be, there has got to forget a red phone. There has to be a fucking burgundy phone somewhere that it's like, you picked that out. Hey, hey, hey, Vlad. Yeah, yeah, family. We're good. Right. Call Maryam. Get her on the fucking phone. No, she's over gone here. She can hear everything. Shout out Pegasus. Like, there's got to be something. So in her scenario, though, we don't get them on the phone. They see our new, so we got North Korea's nukes coming at us. We're shooting ours back at them. Russia sees ours coming for North Korea. They think it's coming for them. They unload theirs. And then before you know it, the world has gone. It's full-on, nuclear, thermonuclear war and we're in like a nuclear winter and the world's just fucking destroyed. And why is this in her estimation? Why is this never happened? Why does she say, I don't remember why she said it's never happened before. Basically, the whole point of the book was just pointing out how poor, how poorly prepared we are for this and how bad the communication is and essentially none of the presidents ever practice these scenarios. Like, they don't, they don't game out, okay, we're under nuclear war. Here's the football. What do we do? What option do we pick? It's never practiced with any of the presidents. So she also described this like, Doomsday plane that the president has to get on. It's like Air Force One, but it's like built to survive a nuclear blast. So the windows are all blacked out. This thing's like a tank. And it's got this fucking something floating in the air can survive a nuclear blast. Well, not like directly in the vicinity, but within like a few hundred miles. And it's got this crazy antenna that dangles off the bottom. So it has to go into like basic radio mode because you can't use normal like Wi-Fi because everything's gone. It's like an EMP. So this is like it goes like stone age type radio frequencies that drops out the bottom of the plane. It's just it's built to circle the ocean for days and not run out of fuel. And that's how they're supposed to have Stratcom based out of that plane where they have like strategic command running the world from this fucking Doomsday plane that the president's on. And it's like I can genuinely say I can like there's not a lot of things I can say this about. But because that's the worst known weapon in our civilian heads right now, if that were confirmed to be the case or close to the case when I won the election and we're going into transition, this would be the very first thing that I'm like stick this on the schedule. We're going to do drills on this for as long as it takes. So I guess her case, I guess to answer your question earlier about why this hasn't been done yet, it is coming back to me why she she theorized it hasn't been done yet. She believes that like the joint chiefs of staff and like the highest level of military and all of these governments have already gained this out. The Pentagon's gained it, Russia's gained it, China's gained it, they all know what happens. Which is why they all know launching one nuclear weapon is a suicide mission. The other reason which she doesn't, I mean, the other thing you could fucking speculate about is all the UFO stuff being around nuclear sites. This is the big Yahoo notice, though. I don't think he knows it. I don't think he knows about it. He's the only one we're all bets are off the turd in the punch bowl. We all have an understanding here. Yeah, we do not have an understanding. Right. Right. That that scares the shit out of me. I the one thing that is scares me way more than that is the biological war stuff. I just read her biological war book. How was that? That one's even worse. Now that's more we've seen, you know, the preconditions of something like that to see how society adapts when, you know, there's a claimed major biological weapon going on everyone one inside now imagine one that actually like on contact kills everyone. So nuclear war, nuclear building nuclear weapons. So long as you're in the treaty, it's legal. A country as long as it's a part of the treaty does all agreements is completely legal to build nukes is unilaterally illegal across the entire globe to develop biological weapons. No countries allowed to do it, but every country does it. The US does it. We have biological labs all over the US and they're ranked like from tier like one to four. And we also have them in other countries hidden in other countries and other countries also have them all over the place. Is it Ryan with smush main? And she was saying that all of the biological weapons research facilities are disguised as vaccine laboratories. All or 90% of them high number 90% 90% towel. You know what's crazy? There's a chance. It's not a 100% might not be 50. But there's there's a better than 10% chance that someone has in air pods right now listening to this who walks into one of those labs every day and like, oh man, I wish I could tell them that. Guess they'll never know. I thought you were going to say something about a chocolate outbreak in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Well, I'd be stealing John Stewart's line, but yeah, I mean the jokes right themselves sometimes. Right. Right. So her book goes through all this. It goes through a scenario because there was a biological weapons lab in Russia. And she uses Russia and her scenario for this book. That was in the early 2000s late 90s. I can't remember the fucking name of it. It was a Russian name where there was an outbreak. That was contained. And it was bubonic plague. So they're they're they were making bubonic plague. Oh, they weren't just making it. They were using bubonic plague, which naturally occurs in Russia. If you if you look at the history of the plague in Russia, there's like a certain area of Russia that's predisposed to natural plague. And it comes from a certain animal. I can't remember the fucking animal in the plague. It's not a rat, right? No, it's something else. All right. Well, shit. I'm not going to try to say that. Some fucking island operator from 1936 through this cold war until it was hastily abandoned in the early 1990s following the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is the primary Soviet facility associated with open air testing and weaponized weapon, excuse me, weaponization of bubonic plague. Yes, the epistia and also and other lethal pathogens. The 90s context as the site was decommissioned in abandoned in 91 92 concerns grew internationally over loose containment on sealed burial sites for test animals, such as 1988 outbreaks outbreaks. If you are thinking of an accidental city leak rather than a remote testing ground, the famous 1979 lab outbreak involved an anthrax release at compound 19. Maybe that was it. Maybe that was it. Maybe that was it. It's been lost at Yacatinburg, which was fully investigated and acknowledged in the early 90s. You have to wonder how many we didn't know about, though, when these are the same people that were trying to say, no problem. Yo, do you find out the animal that the plague comes from? Remember that? Like with Chernobyl. I mean, obviously, it's an amazing many series of people haven't seen it where they, you know, go through the history there, but they were trying to say, don't worry about this. And it was like the worst nuclear reactor disaster ever. So it comes from wild rodents and is spread by humans by the bites of infected fleas, the bacteria that can cause, yes, neopestus, live naturally in populations of small mammals, common carriers, including rats and mice, squirrels and chipmunks, prairie dogs, prairie dogs. That's what she's in book prairie dogs. So prairie. Can we pull up a picture? So she had full, she fully sourced a story of a lab. And she said that this is the, this is the type of thing that a pathogen that has been worked on for decades in biological research labs is plague. They've been trying to figure out how to weaponize plague, make it more transmissible and trying to do this thing called making it a chimera virus where they make it like a triple headed helix animal where it's like some, It's like some ancient Greek term where they're trying to like make a bacteria. that is indistinguishable. It's undiagnosable because it's also showing all these other symptoms. So as you walk into a hospital and you got the plague, well, you also happen to be bleeding out of your asshole, your eyes, your nose, and your skin is melting off your face. So they don't know what you have because you not only have these plague symptoms, but you have all these other fucking symptoms. So you can't really figure out what the hell's going on. And that's what they were trying to do in this one lab in Russia. - What was her sourcing like on this? Did she talk, I actually can't tell you who, but did she explain how she was able to get such kind of-- - Yeah, I can't remember, though. They're all high level government people. Basically, some people, she uses for all her books, all the CIA DARPA people are very honest. - They're very honest, incredibly honest. The most honest, some would say. - Yes. - So in this situation, though, it was a plague that they were combining with chicken pox to make it aerosolized, to where now plague is not just spread by touch, which is the way traditional bubonic plague is spread, but now I can cough and it's just in the air. I can breathe on you and you'll catch plague. So it's like ultimate worst case scenario. And she also points out there was this really smart neuroscientist who went to MIT who was Middle Eastern descent, who got radicalized after 9/11. And she ended up going back over to the Middle East and got recruited by one of the terrorist groups, maybe ISIS or something. And they convinced her to work on some biological weapon and that's exactly what she was doing. She was trying to combine rabies with chicken pox and she got caught by the CIA. And she's in prison for life now in the detectives. - Can we pull that up? - Yeah, she's in neuroscientist. - Find out her name. - She already got it. The person you are referring to is Afia Siddicki. - That's her. - Lady Al-Qaeda. The core details regarding her life, right? - Oh no, rabies. - Rabies and chicken pox. - And specific bio weapon allegations involve the following timeline and facts. MIT connections. Siddicki is an Islamic scholar and neuroscientist from Pakistan. She moved to the United States for her higher education and earned a biology degree from MIT. She later earned her PhD in neuroscientist from Brandeis University in 2001. Pre 9/11, following the September 11th attacks, she became deeply radicalized, divorced her husband and returned to Pakistan in 2003. US authorities identified her as an Al-Qaeda operative, linked directly to 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. She became not to be confused. I love how you're confusing now, KSM, JSM. - JSM. - I don't think Joseph Scott Morgan likes that. But it's kind of hard. - Joseph Shekman. - Shout out Joseph Scott Morgan. (laughing) - She became the first woman placed on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list. After missing for several years, she was arrested by local authorities in Ghazni Afghanistan in July 2008, when she was detained her handbag contained detailed notes, manuals and documents regarding chemical weapons, dirty bombs and biological agents. While not featured prominently in her public court records, and best gave journalists Annie Jacobson revealed interviews with former CIA and biodefense officials showing that Siddiqui's handwritten notes outline plans to engineer genetically modified airborne pathogen, combining the rabies virus with highly contagious virus, like chickenpox to create a weapon with a near 100%. - And rabies is more deadly than plague. rabies is 100% death rate, unless you're the anti-bodies or whatever. - Yeah, it's not what you call her. - Mad dog. - Yeah, mad dog. - He barely survived, bro. - So this is what I think about a lot, Danny Jones, that, like, sometimes when I stay up at night, like I sleep pretty good, believe it or not, but sometimes when I'm staying up, this is the kind of thought I have. How much would you say this weighs right here, it's dunking? - I have no idea, a couple ounces. - Okay, it weighs maybe like an ounce, because this weighs almost nothing, and there's an ounce left in it. Pretend it doesn't have a top in it, okay? All I have to do in our world today is that, and we could all be gone. - In multiple ways. And I wonder why that never had one accident, never had one Jack Bauer 24 moment where it got out, and somehow he was able to save the day, but we're not able to save the day. I know we hear about things later that happened that we didn't know about that were these crazy close calls and some of the same people that we righteously rip all the time might have actually done something good, shout out to them on those types of situations, but why does maybe the nuclear one make sense, 'cause it's like mutually assured destruction, but why does one crazy person somewhere not get access to something like this and just stick it in an air fan and a train station and let nature take its course? Like why does that never happen? I'm not saying it can, obviously, I believe it can, but it's amazing to me that it's never occurred. Yeah, well, we don't really understand how it works. Like, as far as population wise, you know? Like I'm sure, like, there have been documented cases where the shit has gotten out. Like there was a famous leak she talks about that happened in Russia where it was like a press debacle that happened where doctors and politicians were getting on the stand trying to explain what happened, and it was from this one specific lab leak, and I forget, I wanna say it was plague. It was some version of the plague. Not, maybe it wasn't bubonic plague, maybe it was like a pneumonia type plague, like a pneumonic plague, but I think nature, so what they're doing is they're genetically modifying these viruses to make them slip past the radar and to make them more viral, make them more transmissible, make them harder to diagnose, and I think that, and this, I had this smart biologist lady explain this to me, who has nothing to do with any of this stuff. She just, I commented, I mentioned this to her and she, her gut reaction was that like, if this genetically modified shit gets out into the human population, she goes, those pathogens, they wanna keep their hosts alive, they don't want their hosts to die. So very, very quickly or in short order relatively, she thinks that they're gonna mutate to not become deadly. - I hope she's right about that. She does have like a lot of us out there now know post-COVID, she has real scientific backing to be able to say that because viruses go, oh shit, whoa, not that much. But then is not that much like, if he comes to last of us and we're just a bunch of fucking mushrooms run around like zombies, maybe, that wouldn't be good. - But something getting airborne, that like once it's airborne, you can't just like, - It's scarier because it's invisible. - At least with a nuclear bomb, you know what the fuck's happening. You kind of can see the monster, you know what, you kind of have an idea what's gonna happen, like we're gonna burn in a fireball or we're gonna die of radiation and it's not gonna go well. But like with some unknown pathogen where everyone's panicking, it's like the alien movies where you never see the alien of the scariest ones or the monster movies where you never see the monster or the scariest ones. When you see, when you know what it looks like, it's like not a shocking to you. But this ones where you never really show it that gives you the worst nightmares. - Yeah, what are we looking at here? - All right, so Trump is saying now, and we're putting this down like a week, so this will be whatever bullets get 11. - Trump says Putin is not attacking a NATO territory. I'm sure he gave him his assurances, let's see. - I'm very committed to not attacking the NATO territory. - I have a good talk for him. He's not gonna be attacking a NATO territory. - Mr. President. - All right, that clears it up folks. - Tim Dylan, the last Tim Dylan episode where he's, I don't know if you saw it, but he had the boy who saved the Mexican boy. - Oh, I saw that clip. - Oh my God. - That was one of the greatest clips I've ever fun. Dude, he nailed it. - Yeah, he's like, I would save him. - He couldn't be more uninterested in this guy's rescue story. Like he's like, well, how are we making money here? (laughing) - Oh my God. - You know, you know how like in the Titanic they had, and it was in real life too, but you can see it in the movie where they had the band playing the violins while everyone's freaking out and they just went down with the ship too. Keep everyone calm. When the ship's going down in the world, I just want Tim Dylan to be playing it. (laughing) - It'll make me feel a little better about things, you know? - Yes. - I'll be like, at least I'm going out listening to this fucking Long Island Psycho, go through the things that fucking 12D chess that are actually all objectively most likely true. And tell us there's no hope, but I'll feel better about it. - Oh my God, dude. - So fucking spot on, he is. That guy just gets it. He just gets it, bro. And he can deliver it in the best, most satirical, funny way that is always, he's always just spot on with people. Like he gets human nature and how these people think and how people like Trump think. - Well, he's, but the thing I feel like Tim doesn't get enough credit for, like people love him and they know how well he can break these things down and how funny he is and how over the target he is. Like he gets, he should get more credit than he gets, but he gets credit on that. I don't think people understand how genius the guy is. Like, like, don't let the all-shucks thing fool you. Like he is fucking clicking all times. - Yeah, he's next to the good level. - Next fucking level natural smarts. Didn't need to be a fucking subprime worker. He could have been anything. He could have been the one making the fucking rockets if he wanted to. (both laughing) - Oh God. - Is either that or his take on when the Epstein stuff was like really? - They're eating the baby. - They're going it off. He's like this country. This country has been boiled down to when you're going to the voting booth. It's pick your favorite pedophile. (both laughing) - I mean, if you want to get anything done in this country, you have to have some sort of black male on you to have any fucking power. - Again, hard to argue. - God, he's so on it, man. - It's hard to argue. - It's hard to fucking on it, dude. - But going back to this, I do have to read that book. Annie's books are great. Never had her on the show. - You got to get her on. - We'd love to get her on. We've tried many times. But it feels like she does every other podcast. - I know, right? - Yeah, she's doing the world tour right now. I just have a weird thing. I love Annie Jacobson's, but her books are fucking amazing. My favorite book she ever did was that DARPA book. But it's not to discredit Annie or anyone like her. But you have to kind of like take it with a large grain of salt when all of her fucking sources are intelligence people. And they're all ex-military people. 100% it's the same thing that Jobi's come in here and literally set out loud on the podcast because he's been in, had to cover that world for so long. It's like even when he was doing, talking about Jobi work, even when he was doing the week to week stories or the day to day stories and they'd be breaking something, they'd have to go into a room and basically throw darts at the, at the wall. - Yeah. - Just, you know, any, any money mo, are they using this for obfuscation or is there actual truth here? - You don't fucking know. Are you back there in Langley? - Right. - But like it is, it's really hard. When I go to read an Annie Jacobson book, this is just my thought process on it. I'm like, if there's 20% of this book that's over the target, it's a big deal. And that's why I want to know. And then the problem is I got to figure out which 20 and which is 20 and which is 80. - Right, right. And then you have to, and then you have to take into account also is that she's using these same sources for multiple books, multiple stories, you know? - Yes. - Like, you get attached to them. - You get attached to these people. And they become valuable to you. - Yep. - It's just like any bureaucracy. - Yes. - You don't want to piss those people off. You don't want to bite the hair in the feed you. - The one I do think about a lot that I've heard from some guys like Danny Hall in here is like, obviously we can look back at a rock and see what a fucking ridiculous gambit that was and the Neocon kind of inside job of just like, let's make this happen. It was and what bullshit it was. All that. None of that changes. They didn't have a Neoc. That's how it was sold. Oh, they just got weapons of mass destruction. Neocs, he didn't have that. He never did. There was never evidence they did. But, you know, Danny Hall talks about personally finding some of the biological shit. And he's not, he's not the only one. There's been a couple other guys who have talked to me about that off camera. - What do you mean biological shit? - The biological weapons of Saddam. - Yeah, and I want to know what they were and what the full extent of them was because not to discount biological weapons, but if it was just, say, for example, like some saran gas or something that we at least know, like, oh, that would be really bad if you did it, but it's contained, right? Then it's ridiculous. But like he was doing shit like that lady or something. - Right. - You wonder, it is very curious. Like you were saying it's amazing that none of this shit has gotten out. There's been no nuclear war. There's been no biological war. How amazing is it that we've had for as evil as a guy you think Putin is for cracking a few eggs along the way? How fucking pragmatic and sane he's been when it comes to not escalating against us who have been provoking the fuck out of him. Like would you really have Putin running Russia or would you rather have one of Saddam's kids running Russia? - Putin, right? So like it's a blessing we don't have Saddam's kids, two of his sons running some country that's nuclear armed with nukes. - Pretty much every country has some level of psychopath to on a range of sociopaths and all these things running it. - You got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette. - You want the leap when you're in the shit, you don't have to sit here and say, therefore someone's a good guy 'cause they're doing the least worst thing. But at least say, well, I'm glad someone's doing the least worst thing and not like the next thing on the menu that's a little worse or the next thing that's a lot worse, you know? And it's a fair point. You can say, you can hold multiple thoughts at the same time and this is my problem with fucking everything in society now. Well, no, I'm dead serious. It is something that so many people can't do. You could say, think of the worst person and then find one thing and be like, that objectively wasn't the worst thing ever. And but people's brains can't hold them. You have to be able to hold that. You have to be able to have this conversation. - Right, of course. - And I'll say this. This is one big knock on wood here. This is one really good thing that in what I would characterize as a disastrous Trump administration has happened. One thing we have seen a 180 degree turn on in some respects is censorship. - Yeah, we have seen that. Now, is that just like a short-term draw out and then it's not gonna last? And I'm gonna suck it all back in, maybe. But that is one thing in this world where he at the same time has allowed a massive fucking AI surveillance state to fucking come in there and take over, which that's a huge problem. A bigger problem, you could argue. But like, there's one little glimmer right there and I'll say that. Like, you can sit here and be like, this bad, this bad, that horrible. This is nuclear, that's awful. And then be like, well, this did happen. You gotta be able to do that. - Yeah, and also like, it's some of these guys, like this bad as they are of Trump and Putin and all these other people, it was probably better to have them than their fucking kids. Why is it that all these people's kids end up being 10 times more terrible than they are? Because the kids always end up being fucking psychopaths, dude. Like the prime example is Saddam's kids. Like they were kidnapping women after their wedding. They were breaking and fucking speeding them to their dogs. It's like game of thrones. - Yeah, and they pulled off the, probably the least worst thing they did. They pulled off like the biggest bank heist in world history when the rock war started. They just went to the bank and said, give us a billion dollars and left. - Can we look that up? Was that when it was? - Didn't Chellaby have something to do with that? - I don't know, I don't remember. - But yeah, they were crazy. But it's also like, and I think about this a lot. And this is why it gets weird when you look at these established bloodline families. It's like they're all psychos because they constantly are having to live in the shadow of what's in front of them. And they got to swing your dick to feel important. I think, listen, and some people give me shit for this. I think the whole concept of creating generational wealth is a real trap. And I'm, listen, I'm not saying, hey, make sure your kids are destitute. You know, that kind of thing. But I think a kid operates from behind when they grow up in complete opulence. - 100%, 100%. It's every example of every one I've ever met. - It is so, I've seen some exceptions to the rule, but it always involved fucking amazing parents. - I've seen a couple exceptions to the rule, but it's been in particular with people I know. It's been kids who were thrown into, like their parents had very successful businesses. And in my case, I'm thinking about a family I know who's like, has a huge construction company in Florida, but they threw the kids into the construction companies like in high school. And they were like, maybe they didn't have to fucking swing hammers and do all the crazy, you know, the grunt work at first, but they were responsible for running jobs with, you know, by themselves. And they got their heads on the chopping block if they fucked up. - Hands got dirty. - I also knew lots of kids who had ungodly wealth that I was like, was around when I grew up in Florida. And those kids never had any motivation to do anything. - Yeah, it's, but it also the most important decision you make in the process is like, who you marry? And like, who you marry? - Who you marry, absolutely. Like that's something you got very right. Like Lexi, Lexi's amazing and it's like, gets it. And the whole bit, but like, you know, so many people, men and women out there are materialistic. So in my case, looking at women that I'd look to marry, there's so many people who just see a bag. And things like that, sometimes can hide that really well. And then they become the mother of your kids. And now they're giving kids a bag and buying them this and that fucked that, man. Like that is a really fucking scary thing. But I don't want someone that's like, why don't we own a house that has 10 bedrooms? It's like, no, yeah. You know? - I know so many girls like that, man. I meet so many young girls like these days, like friends of my wife and even, you know, just friends of friends of my wife. And people I meet that are just like, they try to explain how they want their life to be and like how the guy is gonna be that they meet and marry. And it's just like, you're completely looking at this whole thing, fucking backwards. At least from like, the way I agree with you. It's just like, fuck, I just got so lucky with my wife. It was complete shit luck accident that my wife walked up. me at a bar and she happened to be like the best thing that's ever happened to me in my life. Like I would not be anywhere. I would not be able to hold a candlestick to what I've been able to do with my life and like where I'm at right now if it wasn't for her. Like it's just the amount of and she doesn't give a flying fuck about anything I do as far as work goes. She's not the least bit interested in my podcast at all. And to quote Tucker Carlson, this is the best quote that I've ever heard him say and I've never been able to resonate with a quote as much as this. And he said, I think it was to Nick Fuentes on Nick Fuentes's podcast because Nick Fuentes was going the whole like, you know, I want my woman to do this. She needs to wash the dishes. She needs to support me and make me be the most powerful man I can be. And Tucker's response to him was like, I couldn't disagree with you anymore than that. He's like, he's like, you want your significant other to be interested in you, not what you do. He goes, that's what makes you balanced. And that's what keeps you sane. And that's what keeps you knowing your own limits. And someone who's honest with you and can look at it from 30. That's why Lexi's great because she like you said, she's not like in it every day, caring about every goddamn thing. Someone says on your podcast, she's never watched a second of any of my podcasts. I promise you that. That's right. But like she can look at it from 30,000 feet in the air then. Yeah. With things you do and be able to give unbiased takes. You know, I used to think she was a loser. Lexi? Yeah. When we first met, I was like, I thought I had a preconception of what I wanted my wife to be. I thought I wanted like a wife who was a go-getter, a hustler like, you know, maybe like super fucking cultural like new good music had the same music taste as me. But this girl like super attracted to her. Don't get me wrong. But like she wanted to be a housewife and she wanted kids. And I was like, that's not what I want. Whatever. I'm like, I'll deal with this girl for a while and we'll see what happens. And we had kids. And it was like Jesus Christ. I couldn't have got luck here. Like literally the best thing that could have ever happened to me. That's awesome. That's the only reason I'm here today. The only reason I'm here today. Well coached on that one. The delivery was perfect. I bought it word for word. Did you? I did. Perfect. I hope it works. I did. But I know what you mean. I hope you bought it. But it's a real thing. You see the old quote. The son of a great man is very rarely something like son of a great man is very rarely a great man or whatever. Yeah. It's reasons for it. You know, that's why I, one of the reasons I'm really grateful. I did the job I did out of college working in private wealth on Wall Street is because yeah, this whole existing book of business that my boss had gotten for 30 years before I got there. And so I'm coming in there cutting my teeth with people who are really successful and getting to see some of the things that made some of them successful things I like. Sometimes things I didn't like. But then also get to see the family dynamics. And the ones that stood out were the exceptions to the rule to where the family money was never a part of it. And the kids were awesome doing their own things. Yeah. The parents had been amazing. And I did see examples of that, which gives me hope. But all the ones who were so concerned about trust fund this, pass down this, make sure they're in control of that with the business. Yeah. You know, you be looking at that and then you talk to the kids and I would just be, I had him, I had him in the port because I'd be like, you never had a shot. You know, like whatever that is, I don't want my kids to have that. Like when I, when I had Red Man here, that was one thing, like I really fucked with him on. He's got like five kids. They're all doing their own thing. Really? He still lives in the same place he lived when he did the fucking famous crib episode. Really? 25 years ago. Like he just doesn't give a fuck. He's like, I'll do my thing. Love my kids. Got a great relationship with all of them, but they got to go make their own past. Like fuck yeah, dude. Yeah. That's how it's done. Yeah. Just asked Michael Jordan's kid doing his own thing. He's living, bro. Imagine living under that shadow. Fucking Michael Jordan's your dad. Imagine doing the dating scene with that being your fucking dad. Your imagine being named Bronnie and your dad's a lot of that too. Yeah. That's it. It's so hard. Yeah. I feel I just can't, I can't fucking fathom what it would be like to be like trying to date in today's world. Especially when everyone's, there's no, it's very rare where you're first interaction with somebody is going to be in the real world. Like usually you see like from what I understand is you find somebody on some dating app or you see him on Instagram and like you kind of like prejudge him by scrolling through their history. Like, oh, let's see what kind of person this is. Am I going to fucking vibe with this person or whatever then you finally go meet and then it's just like you're kind of like starting from behind because you have this preconceived notion of who they are and you're trying to like prejudge them. So it's kind of fucking it up. And then on top of that, it's like when you're doing it all digitally, what kind of how is that fucking up like the genetic match between you and that person? It's an algorithm. You know, because it's, well, when you're looking at somebody through a screen digitally and you're only seeing like a 2D version of them, it's completely different from what you're seeing in real life. When you see the 3D version with all the smells, all the fucking movements they make, the way they talk, the way, whatever. It's, it's obviously two million years of evolution has made us be adapted to not the screens. So how are we going to evolve and what's the trajectory going to be when we're making those decisions on procreating based on looking at them through a digital screen? There's this chick who came on the podcast who was talking about this smell test study, the sweaty t-shirt study where they gave, and this girl's like an evolutionary biologist where she gave all these women sweaty t-shirts, you know that? And she had all the women rate, how attractive the sweaty t-shirt was on a scale of 1 to 10. And they took the sweaty t-shirts and all the women raided them from 1 to 10 or whatever. And then they measured the DNA somehow, some scientific way of the man whose sweat she thought was attractive and her. And what they found out was the women who found the sweat really attractive, they found out their immune systems fit perfectly. So where the women's immune system lacked, the man's immune system made up for that. So that if they reproduce, they would create a more robust immune system in their kids. Fucking nuts. How does it, how does Instagram fuck that up? Well, again, is that a part of the plan, you know, how this is? Because also think it, just you're pointing out the evolutionary stuff, think about the psychology of it. Oh yeah, that's true. And like, by the way, I don't want to say this like it's anyone's fault. But then, you know, you do a job like this. Some girl reaches out to me and this happens a lot. It's not their fault. He know me. They've listened to sometimes thousands of hours of me. And you know what they got? A private Instagram. I don't know anything about them. And it's very, again, not their fault. This is literally what I do for a living. Of course, it's available. Of course, they're going to listen to it. Flattered that they like it. Flattered that they like me. Those are awesome things. But then you go out with them. And I'm sitting there. It's not a normal conversation. It's it is. I can get it there. But it takes a couple hours because no fault of their own. I want to be really clear on that. But I'm just sitting there. And there's a guard up that would never would have been up six years ago. You know, seven years ago before I did this. You know, it's a weird, it's a weird thing. Because you can, you can either be hidden from the internet or all over it, depending on what you do, depending on how that gets reported or whatever. And then people create this visual of who you are. And then even, you know, in the world now, people are so trained to just be judging every little thing digitally that they they're uncomfortable around you personally as well. You know, that's not normal. That's something I really I've talked about this a few days. Yeah, you have guys that like hit on girls on social media all the time, message them all the time that they see each other in a person. The guy will not say a fucking word or even like look at the girl. That's right. And there's guys are pussies, dude. Like I have this friend. I have this girlfriend who not a girlfriend, but she's a really good friend of mine. She's been a friend of mine and my wife's one of my wife's best friends for a long time. And she's like in the dating scene. And she's meeting all these guys on social media. And when like she tries to take the initiative and be like, yo, I'm out at this fucking bar. I'm at this restaurant going to leave. What are you doing? These guys are just like they're claiming up and they're not outgoing. And they're like almost just like afraid to have any sort of social interaction. And I don't know what that is. That like something that they've been like a programming thing where they've gotten accustomed to not being afraid to meet people in person or they're afraid of rejection or they're just too accustomed to the social media interaction. They don't they're afraid they're going to get rejected in real life. I don't know what it is, but it seems like most guys. I don't know generationally where the divide is, but it seems like most guys who are trying to like meet women online and play that game. They're just pussies nowadays. Yeah, it's a combination of all those things and what I would add to it is it's also a now generation of programming to make that has largely I tried to make the dynamic about men, young guys growing up being self-aware in all the wrong ways about their natural evolutionary biology and being told that that's toxic and you can't do that. And by the way, it's creepy to hit on a girl in a public place or something like that. These are all, I've seen that get built in and I can point to tons where it's like, "Ooh, things really changed in that time period," I remember that, you know, because I'm like coming of age when all this stuff was happening. And that, again, it's like a way that society has been wired to create enemies out of each other. I mean, every time you come across something that's where it's one gender call on the other toxic or crazy or something like that, it's so overused, man. Not to say that stuff doesn't exist. It does. But the percentage of time that it exists is, you know, fucking 1% if that of when people claim it. And that creates frustration and it creates, it's not good, it's really fucking bad. And your friend's stories are, that's the kind of shit I hear a lot for sure. Yeah, I have no idea where it's going to go or where it's going to end up, but fuck dude, it's going to take something, it's going to take a major shift in something to get that right. Because if there really is a population issue, it's not, the outlook's not good with the way technology is going and with AI and all that shit. Yeah. So, my man James on Twitter wrote this unbelievable thread the other day, God damn it. What's like the key word? So type in Rome, yeah, just do that. Hit James, yes, good, good, call it deflux, do James Rump, but there it is. So this is from James Lucas, I want to read this because it's so fascinating with historical implications. He does amazing work on Twitter. Everyone should go follow him at James Lucas. What does this got like a Roman historian? Yes. And he lives out there. And he said, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say he's a Roman historian. He's a, he posts like a lot of traditional culture content, so a lot of architecture and how things used to be beautiful and stuff like that. Like he's a very aesthetic account with like an intellectual lens. And it's really. So how society is devolved? So he says, we think the collapse in birth rates is a modern problem. It is not the most powerful man in the world once faced the exact same thing. And he was so alarmed, he passed laws to forces people to have children. This was not a modern government. It was Rome 2000 years ago. The emperor was Augustus and by his reign, the Roman elite had grown wealthy, comfortable and reluctant to marry or raise families. Men preferred bachelorhood and affairs to the burden of a wife and children. Augustus founded alarming enough to legislate around 18 BC and again in 89. He pushed through the Lex Julia and Lex Papia Papier, a sweeping set of laws designed to engineer a baby boom diet by decree. The measures were direct unmarried men with childless couples or childless couples face penalties on what they could inherit. Those who married and had children were rewarded with faster careers in public honors. Women who bore three or more children were granted a special legal freedom. The I use trillium, liberarium, the right of three children releasing them from male guardianship. The state was quite literally paying its citizens to reproduce and finding them when they did not. Here's the catch. It didn't work. The laws were resented evaded and endlessly tinkered with and Rome's elite went on having small families anyway. The historian Cassius Dio records Augustus standing before the childless men of Rome and shaming them to their faces, quote, "You are committing murder and not targeting in the first place those who ought to be your descendants." A city he warned them is not its buildings, but its people. For it is human beings that constitute a city in houses or not houses or portacos or marketplaces empty of men. I'll look at the numbers today. For a population simply to hold steady, women need to average about 2.1 children each. South Korea recently hit 0.72, the lowest rate ever recorded for any country on earth. And even after a small rebound to 0.8 in 2025, it remains less than half of what a country needs to sustain itself. Italy, maybe because they're all moving to Silicon Valley and all those guys are marrying them. Italy and Japan sit near 1.2, China around 1.0, Spain near 1.1, the United States is about 1.6, the United Kingdom 1.5, according to the UN, more than half the world's countries are now below the line. History doesn't repeat itself, the saying goes, "But it often rhymes and the pattern is old and eerily familiar, a society climbs to the height of its wealth and comfort, and that it's very peak for its people to stop having children and no law, no incentive, no sum of money seems able to take them back to it." Back into it, Rome tried with the full power of an empire behind it and failed. At its height, the city held more than a million people, a size no European city would reach again for 1,700 years until London in the 1880s and the 1800s. The Roman historian, Livy, writing as the Republic gave way to the empire, said he was an age that, quote, "can endure neither its vices nor its cure." 2,000 years later, staring at the same problem and just as unable to solve it, we may be watching the beginning of the same story. Civilization does not always fall to the enemy at the gates. As the historian Arnold J. Twain B. once said, "Sivilizations die from suicide, not by murder." Fucking amazing tweet from James right there going through it. And I think about this a lot right now because remove like the elites from it, I think a lot of us would agree that some of the elites of the elites right now would be fine with their fucking bloodline stopping. But when society gets to a point to where successful people in society just overall, look in the top 20% or whatever, are valuing less, creating families over their ability to do it. It is suicide. There's no way to argue with that. Yeah. For sure. Also, all this stuff, like how this guy's pointing out the correlations between what was going on in ancient Rome and now it's like, most of the shit that's happening now is going on in ancient Rome. That's right. It's insane. Like even like, what's this case with this lady who just murdered her kids, this huge kids class? The number one thing right now on the news where this crazy court case where the lawyer is trying to basically just defend this woman based on her psychological state and how insane she is to try to get her off the death sentence. Is that right? Something like that. Get her on. And this is another thing that's been going on since the beginning of recorded history is mothers killing their children. And it's like one of those things that just defies human nature and motherly a mother is like the one thing that is sort of known and is not contested in the universe is the power of a mother's love. So how could a mother kill her own children? Well, there's been there's this this lady who's an incredible researcher and author who names Heather Lynn and she writes about all this stuff and she got a great sub stack. And I read a lot. I read her shit almost every day and she was she wrote this incredible account of like going through all the history of how infanticide and how are you say that infanticide when you murder your infant has been happening since the beginning of recorded history, especially in ancient Rome and ancient Greece where people have kids we're having kids all the time prostitutes were accidentally getting pregnant and having kids all the time, they couldn't afford the kids, they couldn't afford to feed the kids, they didn't have time to take care of the kids. And often yeah, this is the article right here at the age files. This lady's fucking awesome. She's super smart. And basically she explains how like laws had to change throughout time like at one point people were just leaving their fucking infants on the side of the road to die. And like this newborn baby would just wither out in the fucking in the open world with people going by and no one would care, people would just ignore it. And eventually like as like the new leaders would start to emerge, they would realize like, okay, we have to have more morals in our society and we have to figure out a way to deal with this so they would create these government funded orphanages for lack of a better term where they would put a box, a wooden box on the outside of the fucking building. So the mother who didn't want her child anymore could just discard the child, put it in the box. No, no one would see who it was. But on the other side, the people that were funded would take the baby in and try to take care and nurture the baby and try to get fun and adopting family for it. But because this place was government funded and this is in the fucking ancient world, they kept a lot of the money and let a lot of the events die. It's the same fucking story. So it's like now all of the media attention and all of the fucking, all of these legal brains that dedicate their lives to understanding the law and defending people are trying to solve the problem still of what defines the legal punishment of killing a kid. So it's like right now the law is within, it's within like the first year. If you kill a kid within the first year, it's, you can determine that the woman is clinically insane for like postpartum depression or other types of psychosis from having birth. Even like lactating can allegedly give you some sort of moral, like some sort of psychological defects. And legally they're allowed, they can get them off if it's within the first year according to this article. After that. If you're killing your kids when they're older, like five or six, there's no justification for that. There's no legal barrier for that. But you have people who are like these lawyers who are defending this woman in this case, who are trying to still solve the problem of how do we legally punish people for killing their children instead of trying to use all their brain capacity to figure out how do we just stop killing children? How do we fix the system or fix what's wrong with society? Not just the symptom that fix the root of the cause to like, why are people still trying to kill their fucking children? What's wrong with these people? What's wrong with their lives and like boiled all the way down to like a societal socioeconomic level to why does this still have to happen to this day? I think there's something really broken in society that again, it's not there's historical precedence for this, but we're seeing a new cycle of it that is just particularly evil. When you see all these women making tiktok trends, throwing things in front of their kids and shit, like, I guess my bias is I came from a really loving household where my mom's soul mission in life was to be a mom and I was very lucky to get that. So it does not even clock for me. The idea of a mother being annoyed by the fact that they have a kid around, like that does not enter my consciousness. But to see the defense that they give this lady, it's another prime example of you should be able to hold multiple thoughts at the same time. You can criticize the doctor who gave her a cocktail of whatever it was, ten different drugs, whatever it was or SRIs, all those things and you can criticize the farm industry that's been pushing these things and you can criticize the fact that there are unnecessary things that are pressed upon society and there's some grand plan there that's very sinister. Do all that. Great. You can also say this woman's a fucking psycho who killed her own kids and whatever happens to her should fucking happen to her. Right. Now her lawyers, their job constitutionally is to defend her. That's what they're doing, you know, as annoying as that might be watching some cases sometimes, you know, when you see if I'm gonna terrorist getting defended or something like that, that is their job. Everyone else, it's not their job to be out there holding signs. It's not their job to be making TikTok trends and like, I just don't understand why this is so hard. You look at that woman. Did you see the video of her staring down the jury yesterday? No. This was a few days ago. Now, can we pull that up deep? There's no soul in these eyes. Right. You and I sit across from people for a living. We stare people in the eyes for hours and hours at a time. We have a pretty good gauge of it. Guess what? It comes out there who doesn't do this, also has a pretty good fucking gauge of it if they do it for long enough. And it's like, there's no soul here. Let's put this full screen here. How long people to see this? There is absolutely nothing behind those eyes. That is a. Oh my God. That is a. Holy shit. That's a monster. Yeah. That's a monster. Yeah. That's a monster. Maybe, yeah, but also you don't know like this woman just fucking murdered her kids and she's like the most getting so much goddamn attention over it. And she knows it that the whole world is watching her and judging her for like this insanely evil act that she just committed that she is probably. The whole thing has probably fucking changed her and warped her mind more than we can even fucking imagine. And was she like that the day before she killed her kids? We don't know. This whole thing could be a contributing factor to what's made her look like that, to where there's nothing left. Maybe she's fucking lost it ever since maybe she still killed all her kids. She still killed her kids. Right. For sure. But like my point is, my point is I don't know if. You can just say that she was a psychopath and that's why she killed her kids. I think that the whole process of that whole thing combined with all the media attention and this whole charade being played out is like really driven it. Maybe yawned. Maybe. It kind of returned. Maybe. But I'm going to keep it simple on the front end. She did what she did and you know, people pick some strange battles sometimes. I saw something this week where the woman who went into a house and got 90% of her body burns, saving her six kids, her go fund me, raised like 40 grand, Lindsay Clancy's raised like 1.2 million or something like that. And it's like something very, very broken in society when you see ratios like that. I'm sorry. There's no other way to put it. And again, you should be able to hold multiple thoughts at the same time. You can call out the farm industry, you can call out doctors, you can call out the SSRI's. We do that a lot on this show. But like, yeah, just a pretty low bar, don't kill your kids about that. You know, I just, I can't even, I can't even fathom someone doing that and you know there's an extra bond with a woman because she's the one that carried them for nine months. There's a bond that you and I can never understand, you know. And I just, it doesn't, it doesn't clock for me that you could do that. It's just that's such a, I feel like there's just been some crazy red lines for me that have been crossed this year. Humans are fucking weird, dude. And to think that like the mirens were just sacrificing kids because it wasn't raining enough. Because it wasn't raining enough. Let's just go throw some kids off this pyramid and cut their heads off because we want more rain to come. We want to appease the rain gods. It's the same thing. It's just like now the, the religious leaders have become the scientists. The religious leaders have become the scientists. Yeah. Meaning they used to do the same thing for religious purposes. And now it's gone back into science to where now we're trying to scientifically analyze and weigh and determine what's wrong with these people's heads and to fucking hyper analyze why they did it to determine what sort of fucking punishment they're going to get. Combine with all the media and all that stuff, it's just completely gone off the rails. But it's the same, we're the same people. We're the same fucking human beings that we're doing the shit three, four thousand years ago. So these pulling up a great quote from Werner Herzog on psychoanalysis in the 20th century quote, I'd rather die than go to an analyst because it's my view that something fundamentally wrong happens there. If you harshly light every last corner of a house, the house will be uninhabitable. It's like that with your soul. If you light it up, shadows and darkness and all, people will become uninhabitable. I'm convinced that it's psychoanalysis along with quite a few other mistakes that has made the 20th century so terrible. As far as I'm concerned, the 20th century and its entirety was a mistake. I just saw a sick clip from a documentary by Werner Herzog about, did you see that too where they're letting the oil fields on fire? I sent that to Steve. Did you see that? Do that documentary looks fucking sick? Pull up that clip. These guys are just throwing Molotov cocktails into these oil guisers that are shooting up into the sky. Did we have that clip? Yeah, that's on my list. I just saw that as Steve. Literally. No, it was on Instagram. It was like a short clip. You'll get a copy of it for that, and this is grabbing it. Yeah. Some men just want to watch the world burn. Some men just want to watch the fucking world burn, messed a wing. I love how you got the fucking Batman posters all over your place, by the way. Yeah, I got three of them. I got three gladiators. Right above your bed. Right above the entrance to your room. You have the Batman thing. Yeah. I love that fucking. It's a great movie. It's a great fucking movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. There it is. Yeah, right here. Look at this shit, bro. From Rowan. God, damn it. That's insane. Can you fucking imagine? That's insane. Dude, the sky was on another fucking level with his movies, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, big time. He was one of the legends that I was so unfamiliar with. I was like, "What was the one about the bear?" And I never put two and two together. I hate what about that. But I never put two and two together. That was him. Yeah. And then I was talking with someone on the podcast and they're like, "Where are her's?" I'm like, "Not familiar with the work." And you just start going through it. Yeah. He's one of those ones, man. Yeah. He's one of those ones. It's different. Fits Corraldo. They pulled a boat. They pulled a real boat over a mountain for that movie. And one of the crew members had to remove his foot. There was all kinds of shit they did. You committed? He's got to make a shark man, documentary now. A shark man, documentary? Yeah. The grizzly man. You got to make a shark man. No. Follow the sharks. No, I'm not watching that one. The dark for sharks. Yeah. You follow the dark for sharks with the camera. You can do that. You and all the fucking Florida men swimming with sharks. We're going to get you surfing, Julian Dory. I surfed when I was a kid. I retired, bro. You're in the best, one of the best states in the country for surfing. I retired. That was from surfing? No. But it's very could easily happen again doing something like that. We're going to get a chance in front of me. We need to connect you with nature. We need to get you out there surfing those ice cold, New Jersey way. No, I think I think I think the game ain't in me no more. You guys don't have any sharks here either. So you're fine. - That part we're pretty okay with. - Way better short. You're doing way better than Florida. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. We just went on like a one hour tangent away from Eric Clapper though in UFOs. So we gotta, we gotta come back to that loop. Sorry people, we did promise that. So we'll come back. - But you're saying Clapper's-- - We're edging, we're edging the audience on Eric Clapper. - What's his name? James Clapper. - James, James Clapper. - I say Eric, sorry. - Let's take an Eric Clapper. - But yeah, so James Clapper's in all these UFO videos you're saying. - Yeah, I can't believe it, dude. All those fucking goofy press conferences about UFOs. James Clapper is like right in the front row with his hearing aids just sitting there watching. And it's just like, why? Like is this not the biggest red flag? This whole thing is like some sort of operation. Some sort of weird psychological-- - And he's out now. - He's, so James Clapper is among the high ranking former government officials featured in the investigative filmmaker James Fox's documentary, The Age of Disclosure. - Yeah. - That's what James Fox is talking about. - No, that's, yeah, James Fox was a part of that initially, but it was Dan Farah. - Yeah, so the, Google, yeah, I got that wrong. Which explores government handling and public disclosure of UIPs. Immediate appearances regarding Pentagon UIP reports, Clappers stated that recording and examining unexplained aerial activities is practical responsibility for intelligence agencies and the customer is navigating ambiguity, acknowledging that some sightings to five quick explanation Clappers express skepticism regarding extraterrestrial explanations or multi-decade cover-up conspiracy narratives, maintaining a focus on empirical analysis and national security implications. - So he's kind of like, you know, he's soaking. He's in there. - He's doing something. - I talk to people that make these documentaries like this Dan Farah guy. - Yeah, you had him on. - Yeah, well he was saying that when he got into this thing, he had somebody point him to all the right directions in the Pentagon, including to this guy, James Clapper. And he's like yeah, he's like, yeah, I understand how some people have pushed back against him and don't trust him or whatever. I get it, but like, he told me that his wife was in the hospital that day and he was willing to leave his wife in the hospital and come do this interview with me. So it's like, I really feel for the guy. He was, you know, he's a doctorate. - That's how they get you, bro. - Dr. War hero. - Oh my boy. - Yeah. - It's just like people fall for the bed and you can get really fucking amazing smart filmmakers and journalists to go fucking take the bait if they haven't been paying attention to this stuff long enough as people like Jesse Michaels and know all the moving pieces and know the history of this stuff and know how there's been this crazy tug of war within public researchers like him and people who work in military and even within the military, there's people that are fighting against the narrative. - So Jesse and Chris Ramsey are the best in the game and understand the history of anything has ever been claimed. I've never seen anything like it with their scope and knowledge on it. - Yeah. - But like, you know, you have, I guess outside of Jesse at this point 'cause that's pretty much all he covers and maybe Chris too, you have from a general standpoint like one of the most extensive libraries of like UFO claim. - They're like Pokemon, you gotta catch 'em all, bro. - You have to caught 'em all. - I caught Charizard. - What do you make of it? - Steven Greer's point. - What do you think it's all of the sudden? - I don't fucking know. I don't even think about it, to be honest. I try not to even think about it because it's a waste of time, I think. I think a lot of people like Jesse do that work and I'll listen to them after they've made their conclusions and I'll let them take the reins. For me, it's just like, it's too much. It's too, there's too many moving parts. You have everyone fighting about it online and it's just like, it's like truth mixed with psi op mixed with people trying to make money on it and it's like, trying to waste your time separating the wheat from the chaff is not what I want to do. I get bored of it very quick. I get really bored of the UFO thing very quick. - You've seen the most, basically the only one you haven't done is like bubbles are. (laughing) When it comes to getting to the wildest claims and shit like that, like you've been there done that and I feel ya, I just kind of don't tell anyone on. - To kind of, let's do podcast. (laughing) - To kind of dubpill what you said though, about what Dan was saying. Well, you know these guys are so nice. Taking time out of their day, pointing me in the right direction. Yeah, why? - Why, out of the goodness of their heart. They picked you, Dan. - It's the same thing with the Indie Jacobsen. - Sure, absolutely. It's a fair criticism. It's like, why did they choose you? But with something so wild, like extra terrestrials that could get to like the meaning of life. If the truth were figured out in a certain way and landed on a certain part of whatever it may be, it's like, you know, they're giving you all that access. Like for me, I haven't done since episodes 266 and 267 and then I already had it scheduled to record right after that, 273 with Luezondo, but 266 and 67 were James Fox and James Fox. - Oh yeah, you did a couple episodes with him. - I haven't done any episodes with like UFO guys. Just for you. - Since then, I've done, I've had Chris Ramsey in here to, you know, just go through stories and history. - Oh, you also had to do the Shoth Alien. - Well, that was Jason Sands, that's Jason Sands. - That was episode 266 and 67, like that was a real line in the sand for me, no pun intended. - You got a hard immune response to that one. - 'Cause I knew it wasn't real. - Right. - And to his credit, I had Darcy Weirin again, right after that, because Darcy Weir was the guy who was on it from day one, knowing bar for bar word for word with proof that what Jason Sands was saying was completely untrue, not that, you know, you couldn't already be like, come on bro. But like he had actual, no, no, no, like he literally lifted it from this, this and that. - Right. - And I knew the people that Ram, Jason Sands down, James Fox's throat to put him in his documentary, that then made him look really bad. And some of those same people were the ones bringing other things in the past that seemed like, maybe there's a there, there, yeah, yeah. And once that kind of happened, it was like, shh. Okay, what are they doing? What's the op, you know? So I talk with physicists about it at this point. That's what I do. - Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if a physicist was gonna have the answer to this stuff. I don't think this is the kind of stuff. Like, my sort of like, top down 90,000-foot view of the whole thing, if I could really boil it down of what I think it is, I think it's all consciousness related. - Consciousness related. - Yeah, I think it's like, I had this guy, Peter LeVenda on the show, while he was like an occult researcher, who said something to me that I haven't been able to shake. And he said, oh, is that pouring rain right now? - Yeah, right on cue, it's great. - Wow. - Does anybody have any audience? - He says something that I haven't been able to forget. What he said was, if he was in charge of trying to get to the bottom of the whole UFO thing, he said that he would study the consciousness of the people that are experiencing it. Like, take apart the radio of the people that see this stuff and the people that are having these experiences. And I think that might be the link to it. If you really want to understand it, I think, and I think they probably are doing that. I think they're just taking certain people. Whether it be like young kids, 'cause there's been people that have said that like, there's kids that are being used in these programs. Like, if you want to talk about gate or that kind of stuff, like, stranger things type shit. Like, there's precedent for shit like, oh yeah, that lady is great. Who talk about this stuff? And I think it's totally possible that they've been using people like this who maybe have like, on the scale of all the human senses, a, like, they're more tapped into this. Maybe if you want to call it like a sixth sense that other people are, right? Like in this game, in life, in the realm of consciousness, I think it's true, I think it's like, an easy way to sum it up. Some people have window seats, some people have aisle seats. So these people that have window seats, really good window seats. Did you come up with that? No, I stole that from Eatsok Bentov. Damn it. That's good. I think the people that have the window seats, study them, figure out what it is, and then you can maybe get really close to what it is. But I think it's something that's like, talk about physicists, I don't think it's something that you can like, measure in way or like, break down fundamentally with matter. I think it's beyond that. Like the consciousness, like, I don't know, like, I don't think like you can start from a human being, build up all the atoms and protons and neutrons and eventually achieve consciousness. I think the consciousness is already there and probably fundamental. And we're just like, I think it's like looking, trying to look for consciousness in the human brain is trying to look for fucking the TV show inside the television. So like whatever this thing is, where people are, some people are experiencing or whatever, they just are tuned into that channel. And if you can figure that out, maybe you can find the answer. But I don't know if it's like a nuts and bolts physical thing. Yeah, I wonder how much of it is also like dimensions, or could be, I should say, dimensions like, you know, we're just operating on this perfectly finely tuned radio that some people are just able to glitch just outside of it once in a while but not realize it. And that manifests in a way that's related to what happens up here. rather than what is actually happening physically around you. - Yeah. - That makes sense. - So yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I think the way you describe that could be towards it. And I also agree, it's like when I say I talk to physicists about and stuff. I'm asking based on like what evidence they is observable, right? Like you get a guy like David Kipping in here. It looks at exoplanets. - Is that the handsome guy? - Yeah. - Okay. - Yeah, he did. - The handsome guy with accent. - He's got everything going for him, bro. He guy, he guy, everything going for him. But like, you know, he's looking at far away exoplanets and looking for evidence of habitation or a habitable area for life to exist. And then based on what he finds on say one planet, what could that mean about the system around it or things that we can't see yet, that we might be able to see. Like I enjoyed that because they're at least following threads of things that are based on some level of empirical data gather. When it gets to, you know, the, well, I got a whistle blower that said, you know, they saw four orbs in fucking Montana in 1949. It's like some of that now. I think there's a there there with some of it for sure. - Yeah, you gotta be open-minded about it too. Like my problem with this is with a lot of those physicists. Like, I don't know about, I never met David Kipping, but some of the other guys, they're just like. - Close minded. - No imagination whatsoever. - I agree. - Yeah, there's, there's some that it's like you have to, you don't have to operate from the, well, the burden of proof is on you to prove it. The burden of proof shouldn't be on us to prove it, given how large the actual universe is and how much larger it might actually be than what we think it is. We could be looking at 0.000000000000001% of shit. You're telling me there's not something out there to figure out how to bend time. Come on, you don't know that. You're living in a human brain. It's the only concept you could understand, right? Do you think there's a religious component to it though? - Like do you believe in that? - Like I think it's possible that people in like antiquity saw had like had these experiences and said they were angels or demons or something like that, but I don't know, the Virginia things wild, how that thing smelled like sulfur. - The Virgin, the Virgin is the exact biblical description of a fucking demon. That's scared. That's the one that freaks me, the fuck out of Brazil. - And the Virginia case, shout out to James Fox, moment of contact, like that fucking movie is the, that's the one case where you have dozens of people still alive and living in one town that all experienced this shit, and a guy fucking died. - I've said this forever. There's a there there on that one for sure. You know, I don't know if it's fully what James might think it is, maybe like he's done amazing work on that case. And like that's the one when Chris Ramsey was talking to me, is like what's your highest confidence case you've ever said, Virgin, you know, I think so too. - I said, I said there is something really, really wrong. - The Roswell of Brazil. - Yeah, and also like unless he was down there making the documentary with him. - Oh yeah, forgot about that. - And you know, he's given me the live discussion of it while it was happening down there. And the debrief right when he got back. And you know, to this day, like unless he's like a huge god guy and everything. And he wasn't necessarily then, but you know, shortly after that, that was kind of his life. And to this day, he's like, dude, crazy. He was the one that captured some of that like live footage of the guy that was gonna shoot them for the house. He was like, oh, that was very, very real. It ended up being like James cut in to his to a lessy's iPhone because he wasn't even supposed to be filming, but he's sitting in the car. And he was looking and he said to the driver, he was like, yeah, I think something's going down. I'm gonna get out and you just started taking the camera and he got it perfectly. But you know, that guy was really, what if he was an actor, it was a hell of an act. Like it was very, very uncomfortable. - Very real. - Yeah, the problem with this is like, all the science and stuff involved with this, you know, most people I think would say that like, the tic-tac stuff and all that stuff is probably military shit. And the problem with it is the way it works is like, they silo them all in their own lanes, you know. Like they sto pipe it to where everything's super, you're in one narrow lane, you don't get to communicate with anyone else. Like the physicists don't talk to the engineers, don't talk to all the other people so they can keep it secret. - Yep. - And James, when I last talked to James, he was telling me that he was at some like conference or some like event where he was at the bar and he saw some like high level general, he wouldn't tell me the guy's name. But he said he walked up to him and he asked him, like how many people have the full picture of everything? That can like look down on everything and see everything. And the guy said like less than 12 or something like that. - I'll bet it's zero. I'll bet it's like zero. Yeah. If I had to bet, I can't bet that on anything other than pure spec, but like, I'll bet it's zero. They compartmentalize. Not even just that dude. That's why they can never release crazy things. - Oh yeah, I mean, look at the moon. I guarantee you there's no one person alive that could prove that the moon landing did or didn't happen. Like if it hypothetically, if it was fake, most of the people are fucking dead. And most of the people that in this scenario where I'm pretending it's, I'm saying that it's actually fake, one person never had the full picture of all of that, right? Like the one person who was the security guard on the movie set had no idea whether they actually went or not. They just saw one little piece of it. - Right. - And if that person is still alive today, they're never gonna be able to come out and explain everything. It's gonna be, people are gonna dismiss them and then people are just gonna bicker and no one's gonna ever get to the bottom of anything. - This is where people run into that secrets argument. Like, well, not as many people could possibly keep that secret. What if the secret is a big thing and they only know one percent of it? - Right. Like the bank teller at the bank, doesn't know all the corruption that's going on with the CEO and that's Treasury Department at the bank. - And you keep your mouth shut because there's a group, thank fucking machine that also tells you you're incentivized to keep your mouth shut. - I don't know. - And look at John Kiriaka, I want to keep my job. - I want to keep my job and I don't want to go to prison or not be seen again. - Yes. - You know, people are the, they're survivalists, you know? And like that's the nature of the biz, as they say. - I think mushrooms are probably aliens. - You think mushrooms are aliens. - I think mushrooms are probably-- - How do you square that? - Because people see, people take, there's all these mushrooms that people take and these different psychoactive drug people take where they all see aliens. I'm sure you've heard of it. - Yeah, yeah. - You know, like what the fuck is that? It's altering your consciousness somehow. Mushrooms like this weird fucking thing where it's not a plant, it breathes, it can survive in a vacuum and they communicate under the earth and like this crazy mycelium network. It's like one of the weirdest things that exists on earth, one of the weirdest life forms, you know? And there was that new one that Jesse was just talking about the other day where there was this article that came out of this mushroom in Asia where people take it and they all see the same thing where there's no psychedelic effect, no psychoactive effect at all. But you just see little people fully rendered in 3D space and it last for like fucking days and they never realized it until like 10 years ago or whatever when somebody ate one. That was the loose and egenic beletti mushroom. - It was undercooked. No, this one's called an asiatic something, just type in mushroom where you see little people. - Lemona asiatica. - That sounds right. The mushroom causing people in Asia to see the exact same hallucination of tiny people is called Lemoa asiatica. People who undercooked Lemoa asiatica experience rare visions about 90 to 96% of the effect of individuals reporting hundreds of tiny people. These figures look like colorful elves, clowns or tiny soldiers. The tiny people interact with the real world using normal physics such as climbing chairs or walking on tables. This effect is known as little Putin hallucinations. Cases are reported in Southwest China. The Philippines and Papua New Guinea scientists are baffled because tests show no known psychedelic chemicals inside the mushroom. - Or yeah, or it's just some crazy fucking chemical that we haven't indexed yet, that we haven't discovered yet. Not psilocybin but something else, right? The something that alters our fucking consciousness and fucking taps us into something else. Maybe these fucking mushrooms are like some sort of ancient hard drive of consciousness that we're able to tap into accidentally by eating shit or under-cooking shit and showing us something that we can't fucking comprehend. - Or we're living outside the reality and we have to be able to tap into that by cooking it to get into the real reality that exists. - Right, right, maybe that's like the entry to the matrix. Or maybe that's like showing us the door to the simulation. - That's all right. God, that gets so fucking-- - That's the shit that's trusting us. (laughing) - The tip of the number is-- - I'm not eating one of those fucking mushrooms. - Yeah, I think I'm good. - I'll let Joey Deaf be the test subject. - Joey Deaf is fucking doing it all day. - Joey Deaf's like, "I'm already eating right now." - Speaking of food, can you feed me some goddamn spaghetti? - Oh, you're about to eat good. (laughing) - I'm a little old, my friend. - Yeah, I'm in New York. I'm ready to be a glutton and eat some pasta and drink some goddamn wine. - You get in the little tour. You get in the New York right up here and you get in the Jersey Shore and then we're sending you home for the star's birthday. - Yeah, I'm gonna get there just in time. No time to see nine east, what's the road street again? - The nine east, 71st street. - I already got pictures of you there. - Yeah, we already went there. - Yeah, but they had the shit blocking that the wood was blocking the front door. - Yeah, but you get the picture. It's, you know, it's a great place. - Not a great place. Not a lot of great things happen there. - I would love to just take a tour of it though. - Unless he and I did a man on the street there. - I saw. - Recently. - I saw. - Yeah, that wasn't my plan. He just wanted to go there. - Yeah, and everyone knew that was walking by. They all knew what it was. - A lot, well, half and half, half knew. They were ball-nowers and then half just walked by. Like, it was nothing. And some people that we did the man on the street with who didn't know, they were like, "Whoa." Like when we told, like, they were like, 'cause they know the story. They just didn't realize where they were walking. They were like, "Holy shit." - You also don't like, it's so, it's so like-- - We're talking about Epstein. - Indiscretion by the way. - It's so discreet. You're walking down that street and there's just doorways and it's all one building. You can't even tell where one-- - You don't even know it's Howard Mutnik. - You can't tell where one house ends and another one starts, you know? - Yeah, but that's the thing. I've said this so many times. We look down all these streets in New York. It's one of the wildest things about the city. You can stand on any given street in New York. And before you go to Google, if you don't know anything about it, I can almost guarantee you something fucking unbelievably great and something fucking unbelievably horrific happened on that street. - Yeah, and it's like-- - It's a crazy fucking thing. - It's a crazy fucking thing. - Every time I come here, fucking shatters my face, right? Shatters my fucking reality. - But when you were here, this was an empty place. I remember you drawing, I still have the initial map of you drawing the name studio. - Armageddon with the table down there. - Yeah, they're right down here. Matan wouldn't look at him. 'Cause he thought it was like an Epstein trip. But August 2023, you and me building this. This was an empty place. Danny Jones came in here. I still have it. He drew up a map of what the studio would look like and where the cameras were. Then we added that out over time. But you and I built this table. - Solid table, right? It's fucking amazing table. Great work. And now, you know, Matan left us a little smiley face. - It's good, that's a memory. - It's a nice little memory right there. Dude, it's great to see you. Great to see you doing so well. It's been cool to grow alongside you over all these years. Danny Jones has been my unofficial psychiatrist behind the scenes. Many people don't give him the creds for that, but he should certainly get the creds. So you can subscribe to his channel and see amazing podcasts multiple times a week, three to four hours a piece with some of the best guests in the world. Highly recommend it. There's now 450, 430 episodes of it. Whatever it is. Like keep building the fucking library. So keep it rolling, dude. - Thanks, bro. Love you, dude. - Love you too. - Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. - Hey, guys. If you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you.