Naomi Scott

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Now, taking care of your health just got easier. Download the Zach Dock app today. That's Zach Dock. Z-O-C-D-O-C. And book that appointment on your to-do list. Hello, and welcome to Tape Manners. I'm Jesse Wehr. And I'm here with my mom and apparently I've taken her seat for the intro. So noted for next time, I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry. I've become an institutionalized. Since lockdown, how are you today, mom? I'm fine, darling. I've been at the very early baking. Was that a wholesome experience for you? No, I build my oranges last night. And then I'd pure them this morning with everything else to make an orange and almond cake. Delicious, gluten-free. Quite fitting for the week that we are in, which is Passover. Yeah, how's that going for you? It's fine. Have you eaten any bread? No, of course not. I know you have, because you're a dreadful Jew. Well, I'm putting it down to being pregnant. I'm just kneading that piece of bread. Because I'm watching my wait a minute, I'm only having one piece of matzer a day. I'm pretty hungry. Well, what have you got in the menu for today? Doing a fresh tuna miso with lovely fish on upper scale. Oh, lovely. The wonderful, upper scale who chatted to me on the fan said, get it delivered the day before, darling. And you won't be worried. By the way, upper scale don't give mom free fish, by the way. No, they don't. But I just think their fish is wonderful. And I think it's good value. And last night I had a whole place to myself. Oh, and the house. A whole place in my whole house, sitting on my whole sofa. Are we searing the tuna? Yeah. What do you mean by searing? Well, is it going to be rare? Raw? I don't like it overcooked. No, me neither. But I do like it cook. I don't want it raw. No, I guess I shouldn't. But it's a sashimi grade. Isn't it sashimi? Oh, is it sashimi? Shashimi. No, sashimi. It is sashimi grade. But say how you say it, because it makes me laugh. Shashimi grade. Oh, shank on or is it? So today we have a guest who I met at a fashion party when that happened over a year ago, just before lockdown. You've clearly stopped going, darling. What's that meant? To fashion parties. Oh, should we tell the listeners what you said to me this morning? Well, it's just as I walked through the door. They've got two paced on your dress. I've got two paced on my dress, which is a royal shame, because I've still got the label in, 'cause it can't be bothered to take it out. And I've got, but stop looking at my shoes. You've got your-- I've got berkins socks on, and I've got very pale legs, which are also hairy, because I haven't been to a beautician and to be fair, I don't care for my legs are hairy. And the dress is rather ballooning or billowing. And you just said, Christ, oh my God, you look big. You look Christ. You look priceless, darling. And then I had to undress to show you that my bump is quite neat. So you just-- Those shoes aren't bad for me, Mum. Anyway, so onto the guess that we've got, I met this guest, Naomi Scott, at a vogue party, vogue Tiffany party. It was very fancy affair on a Sunday night. It was kind of around the baffters, I think. So everyone was in town, but I remember meeting this girl who came up to me quite geekily, I have to say. Now, anyone who knows Naomi Scott knows that she is this kind of siren beauty, played Princess Jasmine, and then recent adaptation of Guy Richie did, and has a voice of an angel, like, honestly, can sing, do riffs, do everything. And it's now turning her hand to podcasting as well. She's pretty, yeah, gorge, right? So she comes up to me and it's like, hi. And I thought, I was like, who's this really gorgeous girl on a fabulous dress, obviously been dressed, and being really, like, little keen bean, my kind of girl. And I thought she was basically going to-- she was basically said how, what big fan she was of the podcast. So we've been trying to get this going for a year, but lockdown has-- - Now we can do it outside. - Now we can do it outside. We're having her over for a tune in these swas and an almond and orange cake, and she is very excited, Mum. And we can't wait to chat to her about the her new podcast. So she's done this podcast, which she's pretty-- - Jessie, does she sing a whole new world? Is it the Disney song? - Yes, Mum! Oh, even though it's proper people, it's the Disney song. - Yeah, they did like a real person. - Okay. - Anyway, Naomi Scott is coming up on Table Manners. Maybe you'll get a whole new world. Maybe you'll talk about her new podcast, "Soft Voice," which I've listened to. And it's really good, really compelling. It's about a girl called Lydia, who seemingly has quite a perfect life. She's a really successful estate agent, and she has this soft voice that's in her head that kind of governs her moves and what she-- her decisions and choices in life. And then one day, "Soft Voice" leaves her and "Dark Voice" appears. And "Dark Voice" is a whole different personality who governs her in a very different way. - Your soft voice is your conscience, isn't it? - Yes, it might be like your ear and your ego and your super ego. - Well, to be discussed with Naomi Scott on Table Manners. (upbeat music) - Right, Naomi Scott has walked through the door like a whirlwind and we knock on her carpet. - Not on her carpet. - No, no. - No, it might add to me. - I just don't like her carpet. (laughing) But she's here and she's bought two bottles of wine which makes mom very happy. We got a few dietary requirements. And it's kind of, you know, it comes to the dietary of an international superstar. Like, we've had this world, don't worry. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - But then you've just come in and been like, oh, no, no, I just can't have dairy. - Very, here's the thing. Disclaimer, I'm not a medical professional. I have a condition, it's called TSW, which is top. - I know. - Are a big group. - By the way, it does the same. - TLC, TSW. - Yeah, they sing scrubs. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - So it's called, it's topical steroid withdrawal. I love how we're going into, like, my medical. - We know all the first things, straight away. - No, it's great, I love it. And it's, basically, I grew up with X-ma. - And they, you know, doctors are-- - You steroid, steroid cream. - Which I have very strong feelings about, again. And, you know, over the years, my body kind of became somewhat, what's the word? - Addicted, well, you get addicted to these steroid creams, and then your body stops-- - You can't manage without them. - Exactly, and then they give you stronger steroids, etc., so. And then your body just goes, nah, this doesn't work anymore, right? To which point, I was maybe like 23. I had this, I just basically blew up all over my body, and this was after I filmed a lad in. And me and my husband were like, okay, we're gonna, we need to go natural, like fully natural, heal naturally, sort of chucked all my steroid creams away, and my immunosuppressant cream, which is another thing. And what then ensues is a, you know, two to five-year drug withdrawal. The no one tells you about that you go through, which is gnarly, like very, like, but as you can see, you know, my skin is-- - It's going to be easy. - Oh, I mean, it's-- - Look at that skin, it's not-- - But so this has been all remedied through a diet. - Well, no, it's been remedied by patients and just stop taking the drug. - But what do you do when you're itchy? - If you have a reaction to something-- - You have an image, but I remember at the Vogue party, you were itching, you said-- - Yes! - You said my ex-mars really play a lot. - And you know what's funny, back at that point, I still didn't even know I had TSW, I didn't know about it. There's not a lot of light shone on it for many different reasons, but the other thing is, it's actual-- it's nerve damage. So the steroid creams, your skin is your biggest auger, it's not just this, it's not a allergic reaction and it's not a histamine reaction. It's literally nerve damage. So the itch is bone deep, so you can't quench the itch, you know what I mean? It's bit nasty, sorry, by the way, we're about to eat-- - I love it, we're about to eat and I'm like, I'm gonna flake everywhere, I'm doing it. It is, but I think it's really important to talk about because a lot of people are going through it and a lot of people are going through it and they don't even realize that it's TSW, they think it's really severe adult ex-mars, but actually it's like, no, no, no, it's from the steroid creams that you're using. So it just means that you see like my elasticity, so when I smile, I don't have the normal elasticity, it looks like I'm kind of wrinkly-- - That's steroids. - That's the healing process, so I'm three years in and I do non-moisture treatment, which means I don't put any moisture on my skin. - Wow. - Because it's forcing my body to be able to create it. So cortisol levels and it's own-- - Oils. - Oils and moisturize itself. So I, it's pretty crazy because when you're on camera, like my face is my work, it does a lot. I mean, it's been a pretty interesting for years. How does your face react to makeup then? Is it a nightmare or-- - Because you always look glowy to me. - Well, a lot of, again, another weird thing about this is 2019, which was when I was a bit out in the world, in terms of promoting stuff and whatnot. It was almost a delayed reaction that I had because of pro-topic, which is an immunosuppressant cream, blah, blah, blah. I won't get too much into it, basically. I had a year where I kind of, my skin was pretty good and I was able to function, you know, as you said on pictures, I looked fine. Hit 2020, it all kind of went to pot. And I got for a pandemic, and by the way, so literally I went through my worst symptoms because some of the symptoms on, I'm not just skin related, they're like other stuff. But so did you think, I bet you thought, it was all the kind of, you know, just actress, like, oh, I can't have this, I can't have that. - Oh, I've got loads of people like that. - The thing is, what, and here's the thing, Dairy is the main thing that kind of is a trigger. - And that's associated with X-ma, or loss. - Exactly, 'cause Dairy is just not good in general for me. But for this, for example, I find it really hard to keep to all of it. I'm such a eater, like I eat, I just love food so much. Hence why I was like, email my team, like, has to be a person, actually only works, I don't know if you're aware of this part, I would just made it a real thing. - You and Elizabeth Olsen, and I love it. - Yeah, but I would have done the full shabang with the chicken soup and that's a boy's. - You know what, it's a lunch. - You know what, we're having a tuna. - I haven't eaten any sores. - And it's fresh tuna, and their mum's made an orange and almond cake that doesn't have butter in it, doesn't have no butter. - No butter. - No gluten. - No gluten, wow. - Vegan ice cream. - It does have eggs. - Yes, it does have eggs. - Anything that doesn't have eggs. - Yeah, I love eggs, fine. So much fun. - By the way, I would even, this is the thing. Give me a glass of wine as well. I'm like, yeah, give it, yeah, yeah, ice cream. Yeah, you're sure? - That's the thing I'm like. - We've just got the next door for the beach guys. - Tiff, tiff, we'll turn up, my cousin tiff will turn up and be like, get it out of our mouth! - She's that way, like it's, yeah, no, it's funny. - Well, no, you're sorted here. It's just potentially not the most riveting meal, but actually, it's very nice. - It's very nice. - It's made from the heart. No, I'm just excited to be here to eat with you guys. - Good, very sweet. - So tell me, you know, background, heritage, 'cause how does it work? You're kind of eating with your family. - Oh, my mom makes. Oh, do you know the thing that kills me, though? It's spice. So spice the inflamm, 'cause it keeps in the body. - Oh, I don't, yeah. And it's so sad 'cause my mom's dull and her, like, all between curry and her, oh my gosh, I like, love my mom. - I do. - I feel like I should be for an opposite curry. Do you think she could be? - Yes, absolutely. - Well, where's your, so, okay, sorry anyway, yeah. - Give me the lowdown. Who was in your house when you were younger? What were you eating as a kind of typical family meal? And who was cooking? - My nan. - Did you live with your nan? - No, no, sorry, we didn't, sorry. I mean, we would go to my nan's all the time to eat. - Okay. - But, oh, in our household, though, it was weird. It was kind of, 'cause I'm not so my dad's English, my mom's Indian. - And, which part of Indian? - So, she's actually African, she's Ugandan. - Ugandan Asian. - Yeah. - Exactly. Look at the United States. - So Kenya. But you're right, there's a lot of, there were a lot of Kenyans in here, so Uganda. - Yes, so she was Ugandan. She moved to England when she was 11 years old, my nan with her 10 children, about two months before Idiamine started going a bit mental, so they managed to get out, which was like. - Well, they haven't got out, he'd have done something. - He would have done probably, I don't know. - Yeah, you wouldn't be here. - I would not be here. I would be, or I would just be in a different form. - So, where did they end up in the UK? - So, they ended up, I don't know where they first ended up, but they ended up being, like, hounds low that they kind of grew up. And yeah, my dad's just from Wimbledon. He's just super British, super, you know. So, I kind of grew up, yeah, in my house. - Where did they meet? - They met a church, actually, you know. - A sea of Christian. - Yeah, I would say so, I feel like that word is loaded, so it's kind of interesting for me to, yes. - I think the clue was in the church bit. - Yeah, the church, they hadn't come in Hindi, or? - No, no, no, she, and this is another interesting thing, 'cause she was, you know, her family, you know, they were Hindu. But I would say, to what extent practicing, not sure, like my grandma, she said to all her daughters, 'cause there were nine daughters, and one son, and she said, you know, you can marry whoever you wanna marry, there wasn't kind of that pressure in terms of, so they all went off, and they're all around the world, married to different, you know, different nationalities, and whatnot. But I also think there was that whole thing of like assimilation, you know, like you come to the UK and you wanna assimilate, and so I think there was a little bit of that, and she was only 11 years old, and my mom's kind of very English as well, do you know what I mean? It's kind of an interesting mix. So yeah, growing up, I think I had pretty British meal, like it was a very British household, in that sense. It was only when I went to my nan's house that, one of my earliest memories was making chapattis with my nan. Oh, I know, it was so, so like, oh, just so lovely, and my nan's curries were the best. Like, they were just so good. - She's still around. - She's not, no, she died. Gosh, I wanna say like six years ago. I mean, maybe that's not even yet. - Did she come over with your granddad? - I think they came first, and my granddad came after, but I'm not 100% sure, but it was, you know, it was my nan really that put all the hard work in in terms of getting passports for everyone, and you know, in that culture, I think there was another family that helped them financially to get out as well. But yeah, my nan was like this tiny, tiny little Indian woman and she had these, you know, she was like size two feet and the whole, but just like amazing what she was, you know when you're like, wow. - This is where Sari's. - She don't want, she did when, yeah, when I was younger, I remember her wearing Sari's, and then as she got older, not so much, but yeah, like my memories of her were, you know, and in her house, and all the different Hindu gods around, and like, you just have those like memories, you know, and it just always smells, isn't it always smells when it comes to that your childhood, so I might walk past. Yesterday we were riding cycling around East London, and I, we went past on my own, I went to Jordan, oh my gosh, I smelled chapatis, I smelled threat of patty, like I could just remember that smell, but honestly, like, curry for me, like just homemade, curry is just that, that is my like. - Oh, you just mentioned Jordan. - Yeah, it's your really handsome place, but. - Oh my God, Mom, you're sad you would have been really happy. - You should have shown me. - Don't say that, you would have been like, he's also your manager, hey. - Well, yeah, I guess technically, you could have brought him for work, you know. - I could have, oh, should I show you a picture? - Yeah, Mom could have been mine, honestly. - And he was, it sent me pro footballer. - Pro, yeah. - Pro. - Oh, just see, I know, dream, but he's, yes, this is hubby. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I know. - Get him in a can, quick. Get him over here. - Where did you meet? - I church. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Oh, that's so much. - Yes, if you came to know, I'm like, oh my God, you might have met, come along. - If I could have sent a god, you might have met a nice Jewish boy. - I get my one at primary school. - Primary school. - Primary school. - Primary school. - Yeah, I met Jordan when I was 16. - That's so sweet. - We started going out when I was 17. - Jesse went out to 18, leave, right? - Yeah, by the way, which now I'm like, oh my God, 21 year old. Okay, Martin was like, yeah, I'm going to get married, I'll be like, sorry, excuse me, but at the time. Also, I think people that know me. knew us, in terms of our work, we kind of had to grow up quite quickly. So I think we matured quite quickly. So people that knew us, I think it made sense, you know. He was a professional footballer. Yeah, you know. He was playful. Oh gosh, at the time, West Hat, when we met, he was just going to be West Hat. Yeah, did you? You have a feeling. Yeah, I'm the good to West Hat player, yeah. So you were going to church regularly. I'm a pastor's kid. I'm a PK. I am a pastor's daughter. Oh, wow. That's where she's got the singing from. It's like I grew up in church. I grew up in gospel music. Oh, okay. I mean, no, but why would you, you know. So I grew up on like Mary Mary Kimberrell. Like pop, like gospel, like Kirk Franklin, you know. So yeah, that was my bag. And did they have an amazing bag? Who was in the band at your church? Because there's always stars that have come out, like, you know, not in the church band. No stars. Oh, no stars. No, this was more like, this was more like, you know, Uncle Martin on the bass, just like, six-year-old, just don't, don't let going off on is it? Like this was not as slick as, you know, the American church in that sense. It was just like, we met in a school hall. It was, but it's, you know, the music that I grew up on definitely was more that kind of pop gospel thing. So when did you get your first solo? When did I get my first solo? Oh, I don't even remember. Don't you remember what it was? No, I don't, but I do, because I just remember singing in church and then like, yeah, every now and then there'd be, I'd like, start a song or something, but I do remember the first time I actually sung for real, like as a performance. We had this summer camp called One A Sing On A Sing and I know, I loved it. And the girl who was running it, she gave me, say, a little prayer every the Franklin. Oh, wow. By the way, tough song. Yeah. Bloody tough song. Was it sabotaging? No, she was like, I think you can do it. Yeah, I think you can do it. Why is it so tough? It's quite a half, I mean, you know, for like a 12-year-old, it's quite, yeah. It's quite like, yeah. And then it's like, yeah, because the chorus, oh, it's very high. It's very high. It gets, it gets, you know, it really goes there. So, and I remember performing and my parents were like, oh, like she can, you know, we knew she could sing, but there's, you know, she can like sing as it is. Was Jordan in the audience? No, this was, I think this was before we met, but he, when the first time he came to church, I was singing on stage. Great, great. I even remember I was wearing terrible, by the way, this, you know, when you remember, it was this, do you know what, there was this shop. Oh, my gosh. Where was this in Hanzlo? No, this was in, this is when we moved to East. So, we moved, I grew up in Hanzlo and then we moved to Ilford. My mom was just finding the South Asians wherever she went. Yeah. She was like from Hanzlo. So yeah, exactly. No, but literally this dress that I was wearing, right, was from Risky. It was like at the Ilford Exchange, cheap ass, I don't know where they got this stuff from, but anyway, I remember. I think there's one in Stratford. Yes, probably. Yeah, there's one in Stratford. The old Marquis. Risky. So what was the dress? Big up. It was like this grey. Was it Risky for church? You know, I think Ashley Paulson. Now I come to pick it. No, because you know why, they were like these studs. It was like grey, tight, and then long sleeved, but like woolen, like not woolen, but like thick, you know, like cottony. And then like it was pretty, you know, it was buffering me. Okay. So and he walked in. I say he walked in. He was there, and he's really tall. So I can't miss him. So I noticed him. Yeah, you know, so there's me not one like add a riff or two in there. I was like, you know, and but I thought he was way under. I want to sing it for us. Oh, no, I can't remember what I was singing to be honest. And then they were like, my dad always does this thing where he's like, right, go and say hello to someone, someone you haven't met. Oh, no, it's not reached out to like 16-year-olds. No, no, no, no, but she's like, you go straight for Jordan. Beeline, straight for Jordan. But he was selling this with auntie, and I thought, who's now, you know, my auntie, auntie Paula, big up auntie Paula. And I thought they were brother and sister, and I was like, oh, is this your, is this your brother? I don't know, I know. It's Paula loved that. I get by the way. Maybe I was trying to, you know, get in with the auntie, you know, and anyway, he was just very reserved and very quiet. And I was just intrigued by him. I was like, this guy is just weird. And then I found out he's a footballer, and I was been like, oh, don't know about that. Oh, pick him off. Oh, yeah. God, that would be a complete reason. Really? Christ, he's not from Manchester. I was a bit like, I think I had this idea in my head of what a footballer, and I was like, oh, no. And then, but I was like, no, he's actually kind of cool. And he must have had a nice physique. Oh, lovely. It's fun asking his questions. We all know. He's important, the physique, because the physique, he's a footballer. Yeah. Yeah. There is something about a build of a man. I mean, how tall is he? Six, three. And you're pretty petite. I'm very sorry. How do you have to get on the step to kiss him? Do you remember the yellow pages that he has like you? Do you get the yellow pages out? No, 100%. No, I, he's just better. It's got a bad back. No, that's why he's there. He's got no football in Karina, because he's got bad back from kissing you. Oh, gosh. It's good. So, so you made a b-line for him. I didn't really speak. And then we said, and then he, oh, I remember the first day, we went to his local Italian. And Italian. Not even pizza. No, not even more pizza express. I love pizza, it's best though, by the way. And I was so nervous. I didn't, because so he'd seen me in so many different settings. Everyone knows me for like how much I eat. I eat a lot. And I have, I can eat. I can out eat that my husband. I can out eat anyone. So she went I'm hungry. So I can eat a lot of food. And he'd seen me in action, you know, and I'm like a baby dinosaur and I eat. So I was really nervous. So I remember I didn't, I had like one slice of pizza. And I think he was like, what is wrong with her? Like, you know, why is she not eating? And that was her first date. And I just remember, all I remember is being so nervous him driving me home. And like, I was just nervous. And then like, I ran in. Yeah, it was just, I had pizza on my first. Well, not my first date. He, it was on the, we'd gone on like two dates, but then it was the first time we had to eat in front of each other. And it wasn't really a date. It was Valentine's night. And I bought you that thawnton's heart so sweet. So I already made a deal with my best make because I was single when I made the fucking deal to do like a gallon times. All right, so we were going to go plan B, bring some, go and like have a dance and be single together. And then I met this boy. And then he asked me to come to his house for Valentine's. First year, I thought I was going to have a sex with him. So I drunk my amaretto that feed his wife. You never discussed it with me. First of all, I had to have sex with her. I didn't listen to the cook. Well, I was lividly glad the conversations have evolved since then. First of all, I thought I was going to have to. No, but it was really close to a downed a bit of amaretto. He'd ordered dominoes. And he said, do you want some? It was my favorite barbecue chicken with the garlic dip, right? I didn't touch it because I was so worried I'd get something in my teeth. I was so hungry because I didn't drunk all that amaretto. I was like, fuck, I just want it. Or were you drunk? Or were you just a bit woozy? Like just dutch curry. Oh, right, you did drink. I don't really drink. And you're 17. 18. And I have to like watch him eat the pizza that I was really sad about missing out on because I like my food too. And then he drove me down his mom's estate car to Brixton. So I could go and like, all I wanted to do was be with him and like have a Valentine's Kiss because like that, that had never happened to me. And an 18-year-old, that feels quite important. But so, okay, so back to your childhood, your mum cooking quite British dishes. What was like your favourite growing up? Do you know what my favourite was? Just, and I think it's always attached to memories. It was always just a Sunday roast after church. Always churches comes into this. So how did she do that with the church thing? Because I would, oh, she prepped. Did she, she prepped? No, it wasn't that, it wasn't that sophisticated. It wasn't like, you went to church, what time to church finish? Because if you're the pastor's daughter, 12, 30, I stay out to get the roast on. Yeah. So she'd go straight home, put the chicken in. Yeah, she'd just get on it. So she'd leave church a little bit earlier. Oh, it is. And then we'd have more women have to do that. She'd have to sacrifice there. There's social time off the church with custard creams and chips. Yeah. So she would go home, put the chicken in. And then Maureen would always come around. She was just this, this lady at church and she was just this, on her own. You know when you just remember those characters? Yeah, she lived alone. So you can't let very much a cat lady. Yeah, but like, I'm amazing. She was this, this just really robust, like, yeah, that's how I think of her. And I just remember us always doing the chicken together. We'd always cut the chicken together. And I just eat so much of it already and let the skin, the skin's my favorite. So I think it's just memories of sitting around Sunday roast. That's why like, literally, it's kind of funny. My favorite meals, either like Indian curries or like a proper English roast. I love English. Do you, do you make either of those very well? You good cook? I'm okay. I'm good cook. I feel like naturally I am a good cook, but I have not invested any time. So I need to, but I don't know, I feel like you've got such enthusiasm. You've probably got your favorite spot to go and have the roast now. No, I make a good roast. I make a good roast. I make a good roast. Curry a bit chaired. Curry that's a thing I'm just yet to. Yeah, I know how to a basic, you know, something about an elder that does it. I'm like the seasoning the spot. I can't, I'm not sure I'm a good cook. - You're not the best curry. - Yeah, but I think that, you know, doing roasts are just the best, most delicious, it's my favourite. - Oh, except we've been doing it. - How did you do roast potatoes? - She's got really good, thank you. - I need to know, I've only got good 'cause of Alex really, so I think for me, the key has been using rapeseed oil. Rapeseed oil can heat to a higher temperature, so it makes it really pretty. - And it's so more buttery, rapeseed oil than something. - What potatoes do you use? - Marisol Piper oil. - It is Marisol Piper oil, I've tried a few different ones. - And then boil them and just cut them for about three or four minutes after they start to boil. And then really waggle them around. - So you get them a bit fluffy around the outside and then put them in hot oil. (upbeat music) - Dallas, this one's for you. Ionos helps you get your business online without the tec headache, take your food truck. Right now it's a chalkboard that blows over every time the wind picks up. With Ionos, you just describe what you need and a real online menu goes live. For 23 years, Ionos has been redefining what it costs to get your business online, starting with a dot com domain for a dollar or free with the right plan. Learn more at Ionos.com/podcast. 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Yeah, go on. Where have you been eating during lockdown, which is the restaurant that you're going to go to as soon as those restaurants are open? Okay, I love Japanese food. Rocker. I've never been to rocker. So does that mean you want your tuna seared, rather than well done? Possibly. It's actually me gray. Yeah, there you go. Oh, it's here? Yeah. Oh, probably well in that case, yeah. Yeah, it's here, should we do seared? Yeah. I'll take whatever. Honestly, I'll eat whatever. So rocker, I've had great things. Yeah, I love Japanese food. Oh gosh. Where do I want to go? There's so many places. Oh, there are good places where you live. Um. Jim, well, there's not actually loads of great restaurants where I'm wearing it. There is like, no, we're more of like a Toby Carver in that situation. It's not like as fancy. There's a good-- oh, no, actually. There is some sheesh in Chiguel. Oh, my God, I've seen it on Tawi. Is it good? Yes, great. Is it? I mean, the decor is questionable, but let me tell you. No, but the sheesh is good. The sheesh is good. Oh, I love sheesh. That's for now, right? Yes. I do love a sheet, because I love how they do the salad. I love-- yeah, it's great. And do you know what they used to do this bread a month? I'm already tipsy. I love them, but I love them, what do you do with me? It's like, what's the time? OK, at least it's afternoon. So I can say it's afternoon, technically. But they used to do this bread a month pudding, and they don't do it anymore, and it's so sad. It was my favorite thing I wanted to get back. I don't know why, because it was so popular. It could be like the Naomi Scott bread and butter pudding, like the Larry David sandwich. Shall I try it? Yeah. Shall try and figure something out. Other than that, there's not loads of places near where we live. So do you cook a lot, then? Yeah, we do. We do cook a lot. Because Jordan is a good cook. He is a good cook, yeah. So during the weeks, it's more my staple, I'd say. It's just like baked salmon, sweet potato. You know, some veg, quite simple. Oh, to tell you so. Thank you. You don't have a lot of salad for 400 people. That's never much. Oh, no, I didn't get a lot of salad. Naomi said that she eats a lot. Oh my gosh, guys, this is so healthy as well. Yeah, well, that's OK. I'm going to share more. OK, great. And guys, any offering is welcome. Mum, it's very lovely. Oh, it's very lovely. This is sheamy grade. Oh, yeah, this is great. It's a superfection, mother. Hmm. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this kind of suits your weekly meal. Oh, you baked salmon. This is just a bit of a version. Do you know why else this is great? It's been hot the last couple of days, isn't it? So you kind of need something lovely and light. It's every phrase that's going to be so hot today. I'm having a barbecue, though. Perfect. A bit optimistic, doesn't it? I thought you were saying smarter. Um, so, um, is it nice? Oh, yeah, it's great. I want to ask you. Yeah. Podcasting is quite a new venture for you. Like, with three episodes in, it's really good. Thank you. It's really good, because I don't really listen to like fictional things. You, but I. So it's OK. You're starring in it, but you're also a producer on it. Like, did you write it? Who wrote it? Like, how did this all come about? OK, so, um, like you, like we were just saying, I've never really listened to narrative podcasts. It's not really been a thing for me. But, uh, I was filming a movie end of last year. And, uh, can you say what it is? Yes, it's called Distant, uh, with Anthony Ramos. I don't know if you've seen a-- What was Hamilton? Yes. Yes. He's-- Hold on. Is he-- He is also in, uh, in the heights coming out. He's very, very talented, like, ridiculous, like, annoyingly talented. Does he dance or sing? A few in Hamilton, yeah, of course. Is he singing, but he does a bit of hip-hop dancing and everything, but I don't-- I mean, yes, I'd say he does a bit of hip-hop dancing. Yeah, he's a good dancer. He's a great singer. Amazing singer. Anyway, but he's also very talented at it. So he's in this movie with him, um, two people in space, very COVID-friendly. Yeah, cool. We shot it in Budapest, and, uh, the producer that we were working with, he has a podcast company, called QCode, and I was basically talking about how I love Olivia Cook, but I'm-- We're always up for the same roles, so we never-- And really? Yeah, so we never, you know, crossed paths in that way. And he was like, I might just have the thing that you could work together on. So he sent us this short story, and we were just like, this is really cool, and, uh, we had a Zoom meeting with the, uh, writer, James Blor, so he's the creator. James Blor. And, um, this actor from Brighton, he was in Brighton at the time, he's like, my age, you know, wrote this, uh, wrote this script for his boyfriend, who he ended up breaking up with, and, uh, had this, you know, script milling about. And, um, it was about kind of his own personal journey. It's a lot to do with his kind of mental health, and, um, I'm going to kind of-- he would be able to speak way more into that whole thing, but what we loved about it was it was such a specific tone. So he had-- his writing style was such dark comedy, so British, so funny, so having all these different conversations, and it just felt so unique. And we were like, oh my gosh, we love this. So we were like, I'm so down. Um, so Olivia was engaged in it, and we met and over Zoom, and we chatted, and, um, we were all just really enthusiastic about this project, and there's a third role in it that we were kind of, you know, talking about who we'd-- and the top of our list was Belle Powelly. I've loved her since Diary of a Teenage Girl. Oh, she's so good. How good was she in King of Stafford, Ireland? Did you see her in that? No, I haven't seen that yet, but I do like-- Oh, my god, she's amazing. I know I've seen-- Like, it's just phenomenal. She's-- by the way, she has my heart. Both of these girls, I love and respect so much. And it was so cool, because we all kind of-- We do probably go up for the same roles and it's really nice Coming together and being like we can work together. We can we're all produce you know We're all producers and yeah We just believed it was one of those things we didn't know much about narrative podcasts We didn't believe but we knew that this is really great. Yeah, and it was definitely something we wanted to be a part of and what QCode Kind of do is they have these narrative podcasts that they Connect with these actors and then they that's kind of like your own IP, right? So you can then sell it as a TV show or it's it's a bit of a proof of concept. I can imagine it being a TV show after this When starring Yeah, cool, right. Yeah, so it's kind of that's the idea and we just loved this and I think Ultimately you have to especially when you're producing something you have to believe in it so much And we we really did we all love it so much so before you came I tried to explain it in the intro But it's hard to explain. I mean when I explained it and mum hasn't listened to it. She was like well That's about schizophrenia I don't know if it is voices in your head is about it gets effective really Or is that one or one isn't your ego you know because we all live I mean, I always used to say that The way parents are with children is your you don't have your parent out with you when you're a teenager You have to make decisions, but your parent is really sitting on your shoulder telling you the What to do and what not to do the good things or the bad things and the bad things are people pulling you to say I'll come try that and the good thing is the one city me sitting on Jesse's shoulder saying don't do that It's a really it's a really clever way of portraying kind of inner dialogue and conflict and morals and anxiety. Yeah, I mean, it's really it's really meaty. They're like short episodes But like you and you're fully engaged with these characters straightaway Olivia cooks character dark voice you I mean Lydia and then soft voice who comes in a bit later. It's so dynamic So it's like I mean, I imagine it's doing really well, right? You know what we've had and you know Our aim was never to be like we want to make yeah a podcast that's gonna you know Millions of people look at what we wanted was the people that engage with our podcast to Connect with it in the way that we connected with it and that's what we're finding we're finding that people that are connecting with it On a really loving it so everyone from my mother-in-law to like my friends that are You know really into things you know into podcasts or whatever and as you said that there's there's a lot of A lot of themes going on and actually you hit on something about this idea of Voices that are also past voices So basically it's about this this state agent 25 you're old at state agent called Lydia Who has a voice in her head called soft voice who tells her what to do this kind of perfectionism one day soft voice leaves And is replaced with another voice how many episodes are there is ten episodes and each Wednesday we release an episode And it's interesting you say about a lot of people feel like they can relate in some way or The conversations around mental health. Yeah, which again. I feel like James This has come from his mind So sometimes you know when you're like I don't want to butcher it and kind of talk but there are a lot of different themes And I think there's a lot of things the conversations to come out of it and yeah, and it's as I said it's it's a very personal journey thing You're gonna have some yes, I mean of course I'm gonna have some mom is cutting the orange and almond cake That I mean all the other squelch. Yeah, do you want ice cream darling there? Yes, it's that it's not mmm. I mean, it's not the greatest combination of slavery Guys, you know it's great. I hate it. No, I like it. I'm not care. I'm so down So onto your last supper, you know you know the drill come on what's gonna be on it Oh my gosh Last supper you guys Can I have anything I want yeah, and can I also say that like I didn't I don't get full yeah, okay, okay Because I would have a need like a roast dinner somewhere in the day because it's a day I need like a full roast dinner with my mother-in-law's Mac and cheese because she does the most amazing macarons she do to make it so great I think it's something to do with mustard. Oh, yeah right mustard. That's like well shredded. I don't know I also don't want to lie. I'm scared to give away. No, I think mustard is like a known thing But um, it's so good and like by the way, she doesn't really cook. She doesn't cook But this is just it's her thing and it's amazing So it'd be like the Caribbean version of like a Christmas dinner which is like the mac and cheese the coleslaw the Um, lamb that like so be a hot the whole thing, right? I would definitely have caught has to be curry in there somewhere So would it be your grandma's um, it would be like probably my mum's doll if you could have spice for the day Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. I'd have everything. Yeah And any anything yeah doll and Oh gosh, what else would I have? Obviously to patties and kind of maybe by the way I can have curry for breakfast and maybe that would be breakfast. I love It's weird that in India you do have a bit of a period of that. It's not weird. Oh, yeah But I think it's weird because it's kind of a very substantial meal No, but no, but you have little so for example, we might have like a lot of be like vegetarians for example You'd have like a tali. Yeah, which would be like a little You know little pots of yeah darl and Different like curries that vegetarian curries with um, I love the sounds of a coconut sambal. Okay. So we've got curry for breakfast Got roast for lunch. Carobie and roast for lunch pudding. Oh, oh gosh. Okay. I love my cousin Hannah's Benoffie pie Oh, I love Benoffie pie and then what are you drinking? Oh, I don't know wine. Do you like champagne? Okay, cheese. Do you like cockaties? Cocktails? Yeah Do you like cocktail? Maybe like I do like a gin and tonic. Mm-hmm. Have you got good table manners? I don't think I do I think you do all right darling. I mean I I think I maybe do Like I don't know. Would you a table manners as in like the proper proper? We're not like silver spoon here. Oh my mom I don't think speak for yourself. I mean, let me tell you this cake was top-not. It was really nice lovely bit wet I like it better than dry. Yeah, but yeah, and they set to any bake it for 35 to 40 minutes and I baked it for nearly an hour So I but it came out clean. So it's not like raw don't just very real you're really not painting a picture of this This is great I think it's nice you're taking that whole thing with Jordan like a little size. I mean, yes. I'd love to take some home That's what I would do. Um name is got you could be here for ever us. Oscar karaoke. Oh, yes. Okay. Oh, I know my karaoke Best I ever had Drake Oh, I could imagine you doing it. How do you do that one? No, well draps a lot. How are we seeing does he sing? What is he doing a grab? I thought you're wrapped I thought he said grabs a lot So oh, I love that you do karaoke a lot though. No, never really Yeah, it was you know why as I said that was back in the day when I was like 18 yeah going out with Jordan. I was filming this show in Australia And I did I learnt the rap he introduced me to Drake back in the day of like come back season So like that's like one of his like old school old school mixed tapes and um So I was like, you know trying to impress him. I've been like I'm gonna learn the lyrics the best I've ever had and then um When he uh, I think I don't know if I made a video or if I performed it to him over like Skype And I wore all this stupid stuff and I learned all the words to it and that's how it's probably I know Performed over Skype. You're too cute. That's she's been cheese. You are head of a guy love her friend. She was head of a game with Skype Yes guy. No, he's got you've come over. You've got a little drunk. I love you very very much You are an amazing singer that hopefully people will be able to hear you singing beyond a whole new world I just think people everyone needs to hear your voice now or the Drake Oh my gosh, I know I was like this close to doing it and then I was like you will regret it now You nearly took me over here today. Thank you so much for doing table manners You Didn't I tell you you didn't love her? Yeah, I thought it was really funny when she kept on talking about her husband Because she looks about 11. I know she is such a star and she's so lovely She's gonna imagine everyone loves her lovely and enthusiastic and just a joy to be with Um, thank you, Naomi Scott and honestly go and listen to soft voice I haven't really listened to narrative ones before and it's really really compelling Hope you all well and we'll see you next week lots of love Dallas this one's for you. Ayonos helps you get your business online without the tec headache take your food truck You've wanted a real online menu for two years right now. It's a chalkboard that blows over every time the wind picks up With Ionos, you just describe what you need and a real online menu goes live. For 23 years, Ionos has been redefining what it costs to get your business online, starting with a.com domain for a dollar or free with the right plan. Learn more at Ionos.com/podcast.