My Top Peptide Stack For Living Longer & Healing Faster | Dean Henry

What is your opinion on G-Up You Once? The downside to peptides is the beauty of peptides is that you have to take them quite regularly because the half life is so short. The information that's given to people, takeos and bit, keep taking it until you reach your goals, stay on it for the rest of your life. Terrible advice. Functional medicine coach and a peptide therapy specialist. Dean Henry from UAE peptides. I would say 80% of people that go on AOD 9604 don't see any results whatsoever. I'd say 20% do. I can't really pinpoint why. Doe-sitch-wise. What would you start with? You wouldn't go higher than what doe-sitch. Well, I would stop it. Dean Henry, welcome to HACU. Thank you. Pleasure to have you here. There hasn't been a lot of people over the last 12 months that have impacted my life more than you have. Without you probably even knowing as much as it impacted. There's a topic that everybody was in a circle, my family, who has heard me speak more about than anything else, and that's peptides. That's so much of an interest that there's a chance that hopefully this episode today is just one over series of many more to come A, because there's lots to cover and B, because there's a lot of innovation, a lot of research coming out. And as we know, peptides, there's so many of them that there might be even more combinations in the future. How do you keep up with all the new things and all the new research and all the new data that comes out coming out? And if you share a little bit over your background, what guide you hear what we are today? Well firstly, thank you for having me, and I'm honored to know that I've impacted your life very much in the short time that we've known each other. So I have been in health and wellness, so I'd say your health optimization or byhacking, which is a term that's been loosely used now. For around about 10 years, 2012, 2013, my daughter was born with a Nut Allergy in 2008. From around about the age of 15, 16, I was a semi-professional footballer. I always said that lightly because I was offered a semi-professional contract, but I never actually played. So I'd be careful where I'll say that, but you had an ACL injury and then I just couldn't recover from it really. So from there, just going out, parting, do what you do when you're 16, 17 and can't do any sport. But what I didn't realise then is that I couldn't, what I didn't realise is the impact of not playing sports having on me. So my family were going through my mum and dad were going through a divorce then, and as a teen age, you just don't care, just getting on with it, right? But from about the age of 16, 17, I could no longer swallow food. So every time I'd go for a meal or something, I'd start, I'd have to recur to take the food. And then this continued to about 10 years. I spoke to the alopathic medicine, had consultants, and they were saying that we can do surgery on you. We can basically loosen the muscle of your esophagus, and then, but it could easily go wrong, and that means we over-losing it, and then we'd have to do open surgery. And I was like, okay, let's just try and postpone that as long as possible. 14 years later, my daughter was born, and we're within a month, we're within six months, we realised she had a nut allergy. We have four children in total, but the first two didn't have a nut allergy. And every time I've speak into people in the alopathic system, they were just telling me, we don't know what happens, we just don't know. And we're not sure what ever we do, if it's going to fix it, or not. Excuse me. This just wasn't sitting well with me. So that's when I started to explore a little bit more in Chinese medicine, and really understanding gut health. And then what I established actually was that my blockage from eating was a stress response. I never think really was a stress response, even while my wife was pregnant with my daughter, had the nut allergy. She had an intestinal permeability, we think, so the toxins are going into my daughter. And so we started to find out root cause, I think, was the key. And then everything from there just opened up, you know, needed to say that I can eat and don't. Yeah, I have a fever. It looks very healthy. I can go to the doctor. I've been eating very well for 20 years there. So yeah, that's we worked out what happened there. And actually to be completely honest, I did go down the alopathic root at first, and they did, they put a balloon down my esophagus and dilated it a little bit. They said, I remember the conversation with the consultant, he sat in front and said, this will 100% come back in the next five years. You'll be in tears again. And every five years, thereafter until, you know, to the end of your tire, I was like, okay, you know, I left there and you thinking, you know, the stress that that guy be straight away. And I'm pleased to say that was 20 years ago and I've never been back. Amazing. Amazing. So yeah, that got you into the health space and understanding the root cause. But what got you to the step of peptides and what was the first trigger to look into this before anybody else had anything on this on the radar? Yeah. I think I heard on a podcast, was all into a health optimization podcast, 2014. I heard a peptide being mentioned epitolone or epithylone, Russian derived peptide by a regulator. And I think we've been one paragraph, I think I need to get this. So it over, over a seven year period, it to extend the length of telomeres. So reverse in your aging, I still need to get that, you know, so I did a lot of digging around and realized actually even then the peptide sector was very, very, very probably closer to black than what, what it, you know, than gray. But I found a good source in the US, managed to get that through while I was living in Dubai. And I started the epitolone cycle. And of course, why don't you start on one peptide, the peptide road items? As we all know, I've started less than nine months ago. And I'm thinking, tried over 50 of them. And I think over 25 of them, part of the routine. So you're fully right that. So talking about the entry peptides, epitolone force for you, which is very, very, very progressive thinking because you think about longevity. But a lot of people, when they reaching out to peptides today, they're not just thinking about longevity, they're thinking about how to improve quality of life today or how to merge today. And the number one peptide by far is BBC BBC 157. I've heard about it from the sports world before I banned. And I've tested myself. Can you share a little bit on BBC? What it is? What it does? And why is so popular? Sure. Yeah. So BBC 157. So I would probably just backtrack a little bit. So I've been working with peptides on and off for 10 years. I would say professionally for six years. And then for the past three years, and this is important in the scheme of things, I've been doing probably around five to 15 consultations every week for the past three years. And the problem with the industry at the moment is a lack of human data. So where I'm at now, so I have no medical background. I have no scientific background. I studied functional medicine, therapeutic nutrition, so built-ups and basic knowledge of biology. But what the knowledge that I feel I've gained over the past three years of all this human data and it's total data, that's really why I'm in a position now where I'm training doctors and clinicians. So I wanted to put that caveat in there with the no medical background. But, you know, I think quite real respected in the sector just because of the amount of anecdotal data I've got. So BBC 157, we sell more or have more therapy on that peptide double anything else. So if we sell 100 BBC a week, the next peptide down will be 50 and we'll have 120 peptides. So the popularity of BBC is double anything else. BBC 157 body body performance complex. It's the amino acid that matches the gastric juices which you which self heal very regularly. So BBC 157 generally is taken subcutaneously. It can be taken orally. There's a really important aspect to peptides and BBC in general which is a bit of an area where I see it's being misled. So BBC 157 is 15 chain amino acids. Generally when any peptide goes above 10 amino acids, it doesn't break through the endothelium that got lining into the blood. So the systemic effect that we're looking for from BBC 157, you don't get that when you take it orally. So I see it being sold on Instagram, social media, take BBC 157 because of its benefits which is injury repair, you know, recovery, but it won't work. A few people have come back at me on that and said, 'Bratch, I've been taking BBC 157 and my back pain's completely gone.' I said, 'That's because the root cause, the stress response was your gut.' So, you know, they've got to weigh a bit a little bit by that but that's because it's a stress to root cause, which is very good. But in reality, BBC 157 needs to be taken systemically for injury, recovery and performance and also for gut health and cognitive performance. So sometimes when you see it's taken systemically, obviously by default, systemically it's going around the body looking for things to heal. So I've people come into me for shoulder injury and I said, 'I want to take BBC 157, start the six-week protocol. My shoulder is exactly the same.' Didn't work. I said, 'Okay, it's interesting. Do you like to say anything else? Nothing related to injury, but my digestion's never been so good.' Yeah, okay. So interesting to left. So I think that's a very important point just from a peptide perspective. Peptides in pill form, unless you have gut issues or in that case, hypothetically might work. Most of them have to be injected. Absolutely. And because they have to be injected, there's a huge barrier. People have, they're scared of needles. Plus, if you've ever been around sports, needles equal, stoping equals, steroids equal, you're the bad guy. Which changes over time because insulin is a peptide. It's most people don't know. And then obviously you have this whole way of GLP1, so we're going to talk about in a second, that I think changed the approach to injection where people understand that efficacy might sometimes need injection. So I think it's very, very important to make sure that everybody understands when you read peptides and it's in a pill form or it's a cream. It's not the peptides you and I are discussing today. It's either the idea of it or it's a placebo, which might work or it has got related. So one of the peptides, and I don't want to jump into that, for my personal perspective, K PV, I use it in pill form. And there's an injection and an adorable feedback in a pill form for me works better. Interestingly enough. But again, that's off track. Now because there's so many of them, I mean, you said 120, but I think there's tens of thousands of peptides because it's a mean acid chains, right? You can combine them. There's unlimited amount of them, but there's one category that just sticks out. And if I'm not mistaken, then I'm more from a suitor code that was was the last two years running, is a GOP1, which it was a Zempic, then became Mondraro, could different ones, and this is where I want to start, because everybody and their mother, especially their mother, is asking, and they're asking very, very quietly, just as an athlete, doesn't want to do anything steroids related, because it feels like cheating. The normal person is a little bit afraid to talk to GOP1s publicly, because they feel like I should struggle through this, I should bite down, not eat after six, work out, do cardio, or you should do all that and support yourself. So what is your opinion on GOP1s, starting with that? And then I would love for us to rank the ones that you see and anecdotal data, feedback data, and research of which ones you should be taken. And one thing I would like to add, given the fact that HECU is very, very data driven, is also tied by dosages and timelines. OK, I'm very pleased we started with this subject. It's something I'm very passionate about, it's something that I've seen missold. I was working with semi-glue tide, which is Zempic, probably six years ago, never saw a side effect. So there's three agonists that we're working with now, so semi-glue tide, which is Zempic, which is the first one, Tezepatoid, which is Mondraro, which is the second one, and now Retotruid Tide, which is the latest one, which seems to be the most advanced and the most healthy of the three. The issue with Ozenpick or semi-glue tide, initially when it was first launched as a peptide, solely a peptide, the downside to peptide is the beauty of peptides is that you have to take them quite regularly because the half-life is so short. And with the half-life being so short, the side effects are very, very minimal to the non-existent. As soon as you start to extend the half-life of a peptide or any pharmaceutical, then that's when you're more likely going to see side effects and receptor desensitization. And two values. Exactly. And the receptors get saturated and then you need to start to increase your dose. So I'm not sure how long ago it was, but let's just say four or five years ago, they added long-chain fatty acids to semi-glue tide to extend the half-life Ozenpick. This is when we started seeing problems. So of course what happens when you start taking something that's got an extended half-life is going to saturate the receptors, which means you need to increase the dose. Of course, when you increase the dose, then that's when you start to see some potentially some serious side effects. The information that's given to people, mainstream medicine that are just saying to people, take Ozenpick, keep taking it until you reach your goals. And then in 12 months time, you can review it and if you need to increase it, stay on it for the rest of your life. Terrible advice. When we start talking about peptide protocols, you'll see there's a real sort of main state that might experience to be conservative to make sure that we don't see side effects or minimalize them as much as possible. And that is six week cycles. Six weeks on, six weeks off. You'll know that from the consultation, I keep saying. Of course. And that doesn't change for any of the agonists, the GLP1 agonists or GLP agonists. So when I've worked with people, never so no problem. Six weeks on, six weeks off, and then of course the lifestyle. This is a supplement. So if we have the perfect lifestyle to lose weight, people don't like hearing this, we've got the perfect lifestyle to lose weight and you still can't lose weight or you're losing it too slowly. Let's do a six week cycle of semi-gluteide. Two, two point five milligram, no sorry, point five milligram per semi-gluteide. Sometimes I can see it go up to one point five. The other thing that we're probably going to discuss a little bit is the artistry of peptide therapy. And again, when I've trained doctors and clinicians and just by the fact they're sitting in front of me and happy for me to train them, they are very open-minded. The same question keeps coming up, how long should they stay on it? If we just give them one, is there anything to mitigate the side effects? And I say, you need feedback within a week. We need to keep getting feedback so we can adapt the peptide protocols for the ultimate objective without creating side effects. So these six week cycles, people come off of it and then of course you have the mainstream yet. But as soon as I came off of it, I put loads of weight worse than ever before. My appetite, I said, well, with respect, your appetite hasn't got worse. It just got back to how it was before. It's just you're not used to it. So it feels worse. And the reason why you're putting them away has nothing to do with the drug. The peptide is to do because you're eating more again in your life. So I was gone back to how it was before you went on the product. So that's Ozone because of GLP1. Then we had Tezepotide, Mojaro, that launched around about two to three years ago, I think. So that's a GLP1 and a GLP. So the GLP1, they have sort of, they all sort of merge into one. They all have the same sort of objective, but the GLP1 is more of an appetite suppressant. The GIP is more of an insulin-producing or insulin-dependent peptide that relies on you to sort of eat carbohydrates than it kicks in. So Tezepotide really started, we really started to see some good weight loss outcomes of this. You know, a lot more, a lot better than OzonePick. However, the half-life, I think, was around five to seven days where OzonePick was five days, depending who you work with, of course. So the receptor starts to be saturated. So people would walk into pharmacies and their doctors and say, okay, start on 2.5 milligrams. As soon as you feel that's not working up to five, when that's not working, 7.5 and then 10 and 12.5 and then 15. I have seen not working with me because anyone I work with will not be on 15 milligrams. In fact, anyone I work with probably will not go above 2.5 milligrams. I can think of one or two cases. 15 milligrams every week for a year, I've seen one person have the root cause of a thyracausal root cause for thyroid cancer, it's disaster. And of course, people then start to get lazy. They're losing weight anyway. And then we've seen all the headlines with the OzonePick face and just not train in because, you know, it's all about nutrition. We keep blaming or people keep blaming the agonist. It's not the agonist. It's the fact that you're suppressing your appetite. Moving on to retortyxist, this is quite a good segue to the other two. So this has the GLP1, has the GLPGIP and it has the glucocon. Now, glucocon is a glucose balancing peptide. So, which got me very excited when it came out. Very excited. Well, you will know being in the sector that glucose alleviation is one of the longevity minimized. And the longevity one of glucose to be mitigated as much as possible. So the GLP and the glucocon are sort of working against each other to create blood regulation, which is amazing for longevity. So straightaway retorturides are the big tick there, right? The appetite suppression is minimized because it's such a small dose combined with the other two. So people, when they take it, they still feel hungry. The complaints I've had over the last six months are ridiculous. So people come into me saying, right, well, I took those and people, I took my jar, they were great. I lost so much weight. I'm taking retortuteye to be able to feel anything. I don't feel anything. I'm making a complaint. I'm going to go on the internet and say, everyone, it doesn't work. It's okay. So please let me get on a call and discuss this. Why do you say it doesn't work? Well, I still feel hungry. Imagine. And I'm not feeling nauseous. Okay. So you're judging the benefit or the benefit, yeah, the benefit of the efficacy of the side effect. Imagine that in any other sector. I don't feel nauseous, so it's not working. Okay. So that's one. Two, you don't feel hungry. So if I start feeling hungry for one day, that will probably be the day that I die. Yeah. So I want to feel hungry and I want to have nutrition because that's what's going to stop from my bones from growing frail. It means I'm going to keep collagen in my skin. That's what's going to keep me healthy. So it's just really re-educating the market because retortuteye will be the most popular. It will have a new brand name, yeah, of course, eventually. But once it's FDA approved, this will be the most popular. It's the only one I've ever taken. You know, I come from a background of bodybuilders. I've always wanted to put on weight. I've always wanted to put on muscles. I've taken a GLP with just no chance. I've been taking retortuteye for about two months, two weeks on, two weeks off. And I would say from an appetite suppression perspective, by the third meal of the day, I'm full up. I'll get full quite quickly. Now I went for lunch with someone. They took me to this butcher's restaurant and it was so much meat and it was a struggle. I won't lie. I got the rip, but it was a struggle. But the other key factor for the glucoconate uses fat for energy. Yep. So now you've got your glycemic variability being regulated, tiny bit of appetite regulation. And you're using fat for energy. So that combination is amazing. So I want to jump in here and just also share personal and anecdotal experience. So I tried some agletyte three, four years ago for a three months period. The suppression was very, very, very strong. I fully agree with it. I didn't move up in dosages for over three months. I stayed flat. I was very, very zoned in when you zoned in, you kind of adjusted, died quite quickly and then you manage you hunger. So I know now that from an effixing perspective, it's the least working one out of all because it only has one benefit. But back then three, four years ago, it was still eye opening just to that this exists. I didn't understand back then. I was very, very far away from where I'm today from a health optimization knowledge. Truzepatite, one of the reasons why I was so excited to start speaking to your year was because I was exposed to Truzepatite through a regular clinic, which was run like a commercial department. You walk in and your knowledge just meets with you puts you on two point for two point five right away, says to you, by the way, next time you come in, we'll get you to seven and a half, we get you to 15 and six months. I kid you not. And this is a lot of things that I do is because I was exposed to, I think, negligent behavior for medical specialists. I put the seven half in. I was walking and I started having nose bleeding. I haven't had nose bleeding, ran nose bleeding in decades. Maybe last time, 20 years ago, unbastable corns, somebody hit me my nose. I don't get nose bleeding. The only thing that my life changed was I did a seven half. have MG injection of trisapatite and that was the next day. And I'm just thinking to myself, what the hell is going on? Why would people recommend that? So I got off that, found out the retro tide exists, started looking about glycum, found out that people who are not trying to lose weight adding it actually as part of their routine because of the benefits for fat mobilization for fat laws, perspective, fat burning, but also from a glucose, as you said, from a longevity aspect here. And then you realize it exists and then I had the same exact moment as everybody else. If you have experienced trisapatite or some agglatite and need to retro tide, you think it's not working. You think your vial is empty, you think it's bacterialy water, you think somebody scammed you, because you wake up, you're hungry, it's lunchtime, you're hungry. But then there's one thing and we discussed this and you might not remember this, but it was hilariously that you not felt the same one. This what it does kill is two things. Once you start eating half with through the meal, you're not as hungry, so your portion size goes down. So you're hungry to eat, but you don't eat as much. And the second thing is, food noise around, sweets, anything fatty, fried, alcohol, almost disappears fully. And the reason why I remember you and I had this conversation, I think it was your first or second week on retro tide. And you're like, you know what, yeah, I agree with you. I don't feel the hunger, but I have this root beer in my fridge. - Fish. - And I open up my fridge and I have a root beer every day. And since I'm retro tide, I open up the fridge. I don't even think about the root beer. - I didn't even say it. I didn't even say it. - And you're like, oh, Vadim, I just realized it. I'm like, dude, this is me. I am the guy. My willpower at evening is the worst. If I don't have chocolate almonds at night, I don't go to bed. I haven't had any of them since I've been on retro tide. And again, we're talking about on and off for half a year. And that food noise can be disappeared and the best thing about it. You know, we all know how we wire this, you know, you get into a routine of 21 days, 42 days, whatever. I can be off retro tide for months and the food noise is still gone. And that's the beauty of it. And this is something where I believe in the future retro tide or whatever is going to be the next generation. We'll be part and out of people trying to lose aggressively their weight, but just want to support and upkeep their health. - Yep. - So on the GLP one before moving on, when we're talking about fat loss, but besides those three that we just discussed, there's one called AOD and I'm going to look us up, 9604. I've been reading into this and it is the fragment of human growth hormone. And it targets lipolosis. - Yes. - What is your stance on it? Is it an add-on? Is it separate? When would you, if at all, recommend for people? - Yeah. This is an interesting one, but really, I guess this is how to look at peptides in general because it's so individual. Remember, peptides are stimulating receptors to create a natural response. So the individuality or biochemical individual individuality nature of this, probably AOD, 9604 is paramount. So I would say 80% of people that go on AOD, 9604, don't see any results whatsoever. I'll say 20% do. It's just that some people wrap to it and some people don't. Nothing to do with lifestyle factors. And for that reason, in all honesty, I don't work very much because it's someone approached me last night, an influencer here in Dubai. She said, "Right, I've been reading up when AOD, 9604. I'd like to take it." I said, "Absolutely fine, but here is my data. Here's what I've seen over the years and 80% of people seem to not respond to whatsoever. And if you're going to do that, then you might as well look at the growth hormone secretacles which we're going to discuss. But so if people do take it or I've taken it past, was that a combination with a GLP one or was it separate by itself? - In combination, generally, I would say probably the best results have been with a growth hormone secretor goug. So it's just having that growth hormone extract to it. And then potentially that might amplify the outcome from the growth hormone secretor gougs. But for me, it's so mild that I just shift over to the growth hormone. - So before we talk about growth hormone, there's one peptide that is actually quite popular. That I was speaking to a specialist and I had 10 conferences and research, I read research on that. And it was said, "This is actually the hidden gem of peptides." And when it was explained to me, my understanding was this was actually a cognitive impacting peptide. But then when reading up on it on this definition, it's actually in the fat burning category. It's mot C. Would you say mot C is predominantly for fat burning, prospecting, metabolism, or is it more cognitive or what's your experience with mot C? - So mot C is a mitochondria derived peptide. So what this means is that it's helping you at a cellular level produce ATP energy. ATP energy is, I'm sure, you know, is dispersed through the body. - Of course. - Majority is for cognitive performance and the rest for muscle recovery and then dispersed evenly after that. So it falls into a few categories generally because of the mitochondria derived aspect of it, this is for energy, overall energy. So people use it more. They used to call it exercise in a bottle. - Yep. - So you take this and you take five milligrams, two hours before you work out and fast state and you just train a lot harder. - mot C for me is not as popular as one would think and that is really based on my consultations and the therapy that I work with. I would never start someone with mot C, particularly if they're not healthy or they're carrying weight because what you can see with this for unhealthy people is that it starts to increase their heart rate. They get heart palpitations. - Okay. - And that's because it's just given this boost of energy and they're just not healthy. - They're not, maybe they're not- - They can't do anything with it. - No, no. - Maybe on a couch with a boost of energy, what you're going to do with it. - Yep. - So in the peptide network, there's two peptides that probably have the most side effects in any other and you just brought one of them up. Thank you for that mot C and the other one we will discuss shortly as well. So if we are to use mot C, this would be later on in the cycle. So we'll use something like SS31, which is known as an amplifier for peptides, but what I find it does is create a better environment. So it regulates your mitochondria and that creates a better environment for things like mitochondria, mot C, but also NAD. So a lot of people take NAD, so it doesn't work. They take these ridiculously high doses. I feel sick and so it didn't work. And that's just because you've got oxidative stress. We need to minimize that first and we do that with something like SS31, which again is a much conjured dry peptide. - I think from a progol perspective, we don't want to overbear people right now. I think we're going to get there. So we're finalizing GLP and it's real quick just as a summary perspective. If we rank GLP ones or GLPs, we rank it's retrotide, it's retrotide, it's retrotide. Retrotide is by far the winner because it has three positive effects on the body. Doseage-wise, what would you start with? What would you wouldn't go higher higher than what does it? - Well, I would start with 0.2. So it's got quite a short half life again. Going back to what we discussed. So probably why we're going to see less side effects. As it starts to be adapted, they are going to start adding more long chain fatty acids to it. So this will be a discussion for another time, but right now 0.5 milligrams Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So because of the short half life, you need to keep taking it and then you probably won't feel anything. Some people don't feel anything for two to three weeks. That's what you want. We want compounded slow benefits over time. Perfect. Up to 1.5 milligrams three times a week is the most sub-scene. - Which is again, if you look anything online, description-wise, people are recommending 6 milligrams. I can say personally, on a weekly basis, I've never surpassed two and two last me brilliantly. And I do every other day. So just as you said, every other day, I think it's also very important. Anything that you do just from a interval perspective, frequency perspective, the more frequent you do with lower dosages will avoid the spikes and the falls. So the every other day aspect of thing is critical to also here. - Yes. And then next is the Monzaro to Sepatide and generally 2.5 milligrams once a week. All of these, by the way, are six weeks on six weeks off. If we're dealing with real obesity and weight loss issues, then we may be pushing it to three months. Again, I'm very conservative. If we do three months, then the likelihood is they will need to take three months off, which people don't like to do. They like to come on and come off. They don't like to stay on it, but they like to have them come on and come off. So 2.5 milligrams push maybe five, but two points. - And that's because the half-leather is so long, it makes no sense to do it more frequent throughout the week. - Correct. - Okay. And then some of the, if you have access to retro-tied and to Sepatide, does it make any sense to still consider some of the tide? - The broad answer is no. - Yes. - Individuality, again, some people just do well with some of the glutathide. If we can get their dose right and anything of low is 0.25 and they still feel hungry, then that can work. But that's the conversation. If they come back to me, so I don't feel hungry, I'm nauseous. Right. I'm losing weight. So, okay, well, that's not where we're going to do that. - I think a side effect to confirm efficacy is one of the worst things you can do. - Yeah, inside Brazil. But still, this is the reason why when you do something, you don't feel it. Like, when you say retro-tied, you will start feeling it a third week in, but they're used to feeling it the same day they injected with it, which is hepatitis, some of the tide. That's the reason why people are like, I don't think it's working. But all research says, I think on retro-tied, they lost over 48 weeks that the signs would be lost the most fat than by far than the other two. And just give a time. Like, your body doesn't have to start feeling nauseous just to confirm that it works. - Again, we can talk about growth hormone, the synthetic hormone, and we can talk about synthetic testosterone. And all of these products, I give you a really quick spike. And that's really not what we're looking for for longevity, because with a quick spike is a quick down, right? And that's just not the help peptides work. They have that cascading effect over time. And the peptides, the way I explained to people is, A is the channel, I mean, it asks, it's B, it triggers a function in your body that your function, that your body can actually do it self-naturally. It will never shoot over this capability. It will just allow it to function on that level. So whenever people are like, but I'm a I'm like, yes, sure, the hurdle might be the injection, but it should not be the intake itself. Because if your body can't produce more growth hormone, then it will not do because you took an injection of something. So speaking of growth hormones, what a great carry over into that. Let's start with that. Why should we care? What is out there and how do we apply it? Okay. Yeah. So, a growth hormone probably reduces, you know, statistically, 1% a year until, you know, until the end of time. Growth hormone is good for skin, hair, energy, sleep, muscle building, fat, metabolism. Yeah. So, why would we start with growth hormone secretive, that's why it's all encompassing. And then we can move on to the different type of growth hormone secretive, so we have two different families. We have a GHRH, which is a growth hormone releasing hormone, and we have a GHRP, which is a growth hormone releasing peptide. The only real difference between the two families is that the GHRH is a generally more gentle on the way that they stimulate the maturity gland. It's quite a gentle, you know, as you say, it's just producing the trigger in the growth hormone to release naturally. The GHRP is a little bit more aggressive. It's still not a synthetic hormone, but it's almost forcing the maturity gland to produce more growth hormones. So, but this one is, you know, this is the one that we'd cycle a lot more often than the GHRH. The GHRH family is CJC1295, no DAC. The reason why we go with no DAC is for the same reason why we avoid, where we didn't want fatty acids added to the GHRP. It extends the half-life. So you take a CJC with DAC. Sometimes you need to take it once a week. We're going to start satirating receptors. You do not want to satirate your maturity gland because that's, you know, that's aging with the direction we don't want it to go. So CJC, no DAC is the option. And then the other one in the GHRH family is Tess and Maril, which is the second most popular peptide we sell to BPC-1, I'm seven. And then the Ipanrelin comes under the GHRP families. There's only one peptide we work with Ipanrelin. And this is one that we do microdice and cycle for the reasons we just discussed. What is very popular in the market is the blend of the Ipanrelin and the CJC and some providers do Ipanrelin and Tess and Maril. This for me is the lazy way of optimizing growth hormone secretion because what we want to try and establish, and this is what we do through feedback and work in the clients is to know when do they benefit most from taking the GHRH and the GHRP? They're both completely different dosages, probably better to be taken at completely different times. So if you're blending it and taking it at the same time, of course you're going to get the benefits, but you're probably not going to get the most optimal results. So again in the industry, especially doctors and clinicians that have been trained, they will start off with the Ipanrelin in the evening and the growth hormone releasing hormone, but it's CJC or Tess and Maril in the morning. I went with this for years. What I found out to get some real feedback is that actually it's the other way around. Completely absolutely. So it's the GHRH in the evening and the GHRP in the morning, which makes sense because the GHRP is forcing the patrote gland, which is probably going to disrupt your sleep. It's all about mimicking your natural growth hormone progress. So if your profile hormone is building up when you go to sleep, two hours before midnight, ten o'clock, that's when your profile hormone is peak. We would take the GHRH. Now CJC 1295, the reason why I tend to avoid that for people's first protocol is that it can have mast cell activation issues. That means you create a histamine reaction. So when people use CJC particularly if they blend it a bit from Reil and you see they get rashes sometimes, they get very hot flushes. Again, people using the hot flushes to say it's like, "Oh, it works. I might be burning bad." Yeah, yes, yes. I can feel that. I can't feel the hot flush with Tess and Reil and it doesn't work. Okay. So I avoid CJC 1295 as the starting peptide, particularly if you've never injected yourself before and you inject yourself with a CJC from Reil and you get all hot flushing and rashes. It's just really not a nice place to start. Especially if you have alternatives. They don't cause that. Yeah, absolutely. So Tess and Reil, that was created for people that are on HIV medication, was carrying too much belly fat. And the side effect is Tess and Reil, and is it burned your belly fat? Yeah, it had a post tissue. It burns all this, right? So that's amazing because you've got all these benefits of growth hormone, burning fat, building muscle, but also targeting your abs. Which are the most hard to lose at. Yeah. Which everybody loves. So my approach to goals would be Tess and Reil, evening, five days on, two days off. At one milligram and then Ipan running the morning around about 250 MCG, five mornings off, five mornings on two mornings off. Some people will just continue using it. Some people disagree with me. Lots of people in the medical industry say, no, you don't need to take breaks. Again, all my data is super conservative. Medical professionals will sometimes get better results. But for me, my experience at greater risk. So I keep everything to a minimum and do the five days on two days off cycles. So again, sharing it. So I've been following your protocols and I've been doing Tess and Reil, evening at 10 p.m. Close to 30 minutes per week on the bed. When I was the first week of Tess and Reil, I can't remember the last time I had such deep sleep. It's one of the strongest deep sleep, I don't know, agonist, whatever you want to call it. Definitely enough. I, all you told me, hey, six weeks get off. I stayed on for eight weeks and I realized by week eight, it was completely useless to me. So I did not feel anything. I got off of it. Took a very long break, probably over in two months. I got up recently back on it like 10 days ago and it's back to deep sleep. It per my own. And this is not again, I'm not, not the doctor. I'm not pretending to be one. I'm just sharing it. I don't live from it. What I start doing is on the days I wait lift, which is five times a week, which is five and two. So I do is 30 minutes, like literally before I drive, drive to the gym, I do a permanent beforehand. I don't know if this is placebo or not, but it feels, I feel much better on those days. C.G. See, I am the lazy guy. I did not know you should not combine him. I bought the mix of them together because I read online that to get worked great together. I don't think I felt any difference in terms of if it's I permanent by itself or I permanent with C.G. I can give feedback, which one is better. But one thing that I did do and I think this is important to add here, the most popular peptide is BPC 157. When you and I discussed that, so I've been using BPC the moment I get any sort of issues in terms of if I have inflammation or I have some sort of something hurts, I pull the muscle up, pull something and I do that and it's magic. And I call it magic is you and I have been athletes beforehand. If you use a spray and an ankle, unfortunately it's two, three weeks. It doesn't matter where you do it's two, three, you can put ice on it, you can lift it, you can put heat on it, whatever it is. You do BPC one night, you wake up in the morning, you go to bed, you wake up the third day, you're like, what just happened? I don't think I've had any issues, everything I lower back stuff, three days of BPC and I'm back. I'm literally, it feels magic. It feels to go to be true. But what you told me that when you do hypermuralin or any other peptides or testemuralin, if you combine BPC with it, it will empower it more. It would amplify, it would amplify it. So is that something that so BPC is not just when you're fighting inflammation or health issues, but also supportive of other peptides, have you seen this? Yes, because it's the, because of the regenerative aspect of it, if you're training and you know, you get the delayed onset, so on us, then it's going to help you recover more quickly. So all these products that we're taking to burn fat or build muscle, you take BPC alongside it, it's going to encourage you to be able to do things better from the natural perspective. It doesn't really amplify the peptide as such, but it's amplifying you so you can perform better. And if you can perform better, all the other outcomes are going to be, the other objectives are going to be achieved more easily. Because you're in a better state, so basically you're in a better state, so the other ones are being absorbed better or implemented better. Yeah, but again, that's, that's something I can completely sign off of. So I felt that difference completely. Now moving on, now we're in this space where we have the believers of peptides, we have non-believers of anything, which I've never tried to convince and convert that I don't need to. We have, and there's enough people out there. And then there's the people who are on the brink, who are not athletes, who don't, didn't roll the ankle, who don't want to recover quicker, who are not trying to grow muscles, but they want to look younger. They want to look younger and they want all the hacks or the shortcuts or anything new out there. I literally had a very, very well respected 48 year old man who never took any, I mean, he barely takes supplements. He went to me two days ago, I need peptides, I need to look younger. And I was like, this is the most random message from you I've ever received. He's like, what should I do? And I replied to him. So guess what I replied? What can I see you? GHKC, you man. GHKC, you, is the thing that I've heard more and more, especially from women, telling me that they're on it. Can you explain what it is, what the protocol says? Because on the protocols level, I've heard two different things on this. And I would love to hear what your anecdote of the data has shown in the past. And also why does it work so well? Yeah. So GHKCU stimulates collagen production. So essentially people are going to use it for skin because collagen is skin and this. And even my daughter is an aesthetic nurse and she's just all the GHKCU from her st way couple. She's all the GHKCU from me and she's using that from white grenadily because it's stimulating the collagen straight away. it's very, so from last video. It's the best peptide we have. Also for asphetics and looking younger, it's still the growth hormone secretic oxen and the tesumerellin, the Ipromerellin with the GHKCU together. It's an excellent stack for anti-aging and you know, asphetics. GHKCU is very overlooked for the rehabilitation aspect. So I take, I start taking GHKCU properly for the first time around about four months ago after I tore my tendon in my elbow. So the tendons are 90% collagen. So I went to Sweden, had some exosome stem cells and actually some decoded collagen injected into my tear. And then to enhance that, I took the GHKCU's in hearts of recovery and helped stimulate more production for the regeneration area. GHKCU post any sort of surgery for scar healing, for tissue regeneration. GHKCU is very, very good for that also. So GHKCU has become a lot more popular over the last six months now. People start to understand it more. The issue with GHKCU is the copper element. Yes. So the peptide is blue, as you will know. And some of us call it the smurf peptide and people inject that and the copper can cause some irritation on the injection point. And some people don't like that because it stings and it hangs around a little bit. But I've noticed with the, I don't want to go too much into the finer details, but using the peptide pins over the vials. People seem to not get that irritation from the copper element. I don't know why. And of course, because it's copper, you know, if you're very anal about, you know, optimisation that I get people to take single osinjas while they're taking the copper peptide to balance out the ratio. So let's talk about this a little bit more detail because, okay, I, besides the ligament, the collagen, the skin, number one question is, does a matter where I inject? That's a big question for a lot of peptides. I would say for 90% of people like you would rinse and I know insulin is more blood related, but for any peptide, systemically, as you would insulin and just let it do its work. Once you start getting into the realm of localized injections, really to get the optimal benefit, you're going to need to do this under ultrasound and you're going to need a much longer needle. And you know, starting to advise people to take GHKCU homes inject themselves in long needles. I'm not going to do that. Yes, of course. So, you know, of course, there's probably a better outcome for my elbow tendon that's got a tear in it to put, you know, long needle in there, inject it, make sure the GHKCU goes straight into the tear and it's going to localize, probably stay there and help regenerate better. But for 90% of people, let's just be sensible and do a system. So that's the tendon, but I'm being, so you said not microneedling or your face. So again, there's people out there who are doing Botox and then healing their face, right? So if you tell them, hey, you want to do GHKCU, would there be a benefit or even for hair growth as you have probably also heard? I've read studies that GHKCU is good for hair growth, but only if it's being needled in your head. Yes, absolutely. I think for anything, you know, the neck upwards, this is a different objective and a different outcome we're looking to go for here. So, yeah, the microneedling for GHKCU just makes so much more sense if you're just looking to encourage collagen production in the face. It's very locally targeted that works. Also for microneedling for the hair, it also works. I almost, you know, I have to look out for that, but apparently it does also work. So for that reason, yes, it will work better, localized for injure, hair, overall collagen production. It's not just a face, you know, a whole body needs to produce collagen. And what the peptide will do is it will target where it feels you need to produce the most collagen, the place where it's lacking the most. The place is going to target maybe from an asphetic perspective, that's not ideal, but over time, if you keep cycling it, then you will, it will start to show in your face. So, talking about cycle. This is the two things I heard. One is 21 days you can't do more. One is six weeks on, six weeks off. What do you think? I would always go to the default six weeks. Since six weeks off, I've read the date on the 21 days. There's no real reason understanding the kind of aspect of peptides, why you would stop after 21 days. Okay, maybe if you're not taking zinc and you feel that you're overloading the body and copper, that could be an argument, but you can mitigate that by taking the zinc. So for me, six weeks on, six weeks off, you want to try and get as much collagen stimulation as possible over as long as possible of time. Take the six weeks off, go again, six weeks on. And the reason I'm repeating that is because what I tend to see is by the third cycle, people start to see the benefits in the skin, they start to see it face to the aesthetically. Before that, it doesn't work on not really feeling as well. You're not going to inject a peptide into stomach and in six weeks your skin is going to be glowing. So I get one going to tell you one thing. There's a lot of people in my world that are so skeptical about peptides. And I know one thing. For me, the easiest way to convince them otherwise is for them to try it, BBC 157 and Retro Tide and maybe Tess Emerald. If I would put them on GHQC first, the person reached out to me. He doesn't want to do anything about GHQC. I know what's going to happen. He's going to inject it one day, two day, three days. He will stop. He will never do his peptides in his life again. The moment you start believing in peptides is when you take the ones that you don't need three cycles to see a difference. It's the ones that you need three days and you're like, I can't remember the last time I slept that deep. I can't remember the last time I didn't eat chocolate at night. I can't remember the last time I felt so good. Or how does this heal so quickly? So this is my whole point. If you want to convince someone, GHQC is not the one you start with. GHQC is for the person that knows and believes in an understanding of peptides work and also understands how your skin works. Any person who says, "Hey, I've been taking those supplements and my hair start growing." I'm like, "How long are you taking those three weeks?" I'm like, "That's not how your hair works. Your hair falls out, takes three weeks to regrow, falls out again, and then they knew her. It takes six months to see if anything for your hair actually works or doesn't. It's anytime somebody cups to me, I'm like, "Oh my god, there's supplements for my hair." I'm like, "How long are you taking it?" People need to understand, "This takes collagen synthesis, your skin will take time." And that's the thing. So, speaking of, again, aesthetics. We have the growth hormone release because you need it for new cells, for new everything, from a new skin perspective. You have GHQC. Is there anything else you recommend aesthetically for an anti-aging perspective to look better from a peptides? Not really. Some people have said that thymus and beta-4, TB500, which is often combined with BPC-157. They call that the Wolverine stack. Actually, the real Wolverine stack is added in GHQCU, but people have taken TB4 and over a few cycles. I've noticed their skin health has got better. And that's because TB4 over TB500 is differences of opinion, which one is which. So I'm going to just say. We're going to quickly jump in and explain TB500, TB4. Yeah. So, thymus and beta-4 is an injury recovery endurance-based type peptide. People use it for performance. That's a 43-chain amino acid. Phymus and the thymus. And yeah, amazing for regeneration. TB500. Regeneration of what? Soft tissue, bone, injury recovery, same thing. Combined with BPC, it's a bit of a game changer. Officially, TB500 is the extract, which some people call fragments 17 to 23, which is like the seven amino acids extracted from the TB4. And that's more isolated just for injury recovery. So a lot of people would just say, "I'm taking TB500 and they're taking the whole 43 chain, or they're just taking the seven chains of TB500." And most people, because they're combining it for injury recovery, they just take TB500, which is cheaper with BPC157. Okay. Let's move on to the category that whenever we do a survey at Bionic and we ask people why you want to start a journey of formula protocol, the politically correct answer is cognitive improvement because nobody wants to start with libido and nobody wants to start with fat loss. They want to start with something that is cognitive because that's the higher level of, you know, of yourself. When I look at peptides and I read the peptides with the four, a special cognitive like SS31 from a mistake and it's against degradation, it's against fighting Alzheimer's or the dementia or the things. But is that the reason why it was developed or can it have upset also for somebody who's healthy? The reason why these neutropics or cognitive-based peptides were developed, most in Russian derived, a lot of them were used during the cold war. So it was given the soldiers, you know, that extra cognitive boost. So that's the reason why they've been using the past. They are produced to lay the onset of any neurological issues. But what we've noticed is that people are healthy when they take them, it acts as a neutropic. And again, it's just, it's ridiculous individualized, you know, from the CMACs to the cell out, to the cerebralis and to the dupept. There's quite a few of them. What I've seen work well is when you stack them, particularly CMACs and C-Lank. CMACs is generally for cognitive energy. They stack you mean at the same time. At the same time, sorry, yes. So, C-Lank is for anxiety, the ink in the C-Lank is for anxious. And the CMACs is just for cognitive performance when you put the two together, they're amazing. C-Lank you can take in the evening. So if you're someone that works late, you still want to go to sleep, you want to see what a sleep well. C-Lank's quite common for that. CMACs is more cognitive boosting, it's more energy. Quick one here. I've seen those in the Isle of Spruce. Sorry, yes, they stick to go all the way back to being in this subject. All the ones I've discussed, we just mentioned now are all nasal sprays. You can take them systemically. What I find, and some people do work well systemically, subcutaneous, sorry, they do work well, but you do tend to see more people get headaches when they take them subcutaneously. So I do, again, I try to mitigate side effects as much as possible and I want to make people comfortable with peptides. So because we're hitting the neurosepteris directly. So taking a neutropic peptide just makes sense to take it intranasally. And yeah, we see. I always try to manage expectations with all the peptides, but we do sometimes see instantaneous results. You feel it in the moment? In the moment. So, I think they're all speaking. I agree. I don't know how much of that is placebo. It just means that you think that an nasal spray might be actually more effective than an injection for that in that sense. I've seen anecdotally feedback is there. And again, it could be quite placebo because you're sniffing. Of course. Yeah, you're there. And I'll use bifurne, actually, the same absence length bifurne, quite so if you had aches, I went on to the intranasal, that worked very well. The king of the Neutropic peptides is cerebralizing. It's in my fridge. I haven't opened it because I've read reviews and the reviews are so mixed. Yep. So, you and I spoke, I ordered it, have eight vials of them and I couldn't get myself over the mixed fruit. So, why is it such a. That's not controversial, but just mixed feedback. Absolutely. The issue is that people, the people that are taking the cerebralizing are normally quite far down their peptide journey. It's because they're taking it subcutaneously. Yep. So, all the day to see they talk about subcutaneous injection people because the bite is already made. You know, this is a natural peptide. It's the only one that's not synthetic. It comes from pigs brains. Yes. People are very quickly. Don't mention us in police and this is a real hollow podcast. This is a natural producing peptide. It's not sympathetic. It's subcutaneous. It just doesn't really work. I went round the cycles of it because I'm on all the peptide platforms and forums and you know, this is the best peptide I've taken, people that struggle for anxiety, neurodivergence. I said, this is the best thing I've ever taken. So, I need to get on this. So, I did the usual, pulled into the instance range, injected into, actually injected into my glute area and injected it and I just had a golf ball size reaction to it and it just wouldn't go down there. Which is rare. I've never happened to have the synthetic peptides that I take. I was like, I'm not someone that reacts to peptides like this. This is weird. Freak me out. I didn't go near-cerabilizing again for three months. Went down, delvedeeper because of what I need. For me, apart from muscle building and performance, cognitive performing peptides, I'm 50 this year and cognitive performing peptides to stop the declining of brain, it's very important to me. So, I thought, I'm going to have another guy like this. Looked into it and actually, serializing through intravenous is the game changer. So, or even intra muscular. So, Brian Johnson, there's a lot of videos of him injecting himself in the bum and intra muscular is good. It's a more slow release. It's not quite as aggressive as good way to see how you react to it and people normally start a five-amil intra muscular than go up to 10-amil. I started five-amil every other day for 20 days was the first time I did it. Halfway for it, it was like, something just popped in my brain is that the amount of clarity I had was insane. I was like, okay, now I get it. And it was supposed to cycle every six months, I'm cycling every three months, so I'm going to be picking myself there. And what I do is 10 milliliters every other day for 10 days, so five shots, 50 milliliters, but it's used for stroke, brain recovery, brain damage, it's used for everything in the medical industry. I heard a story that it was used during World War II for Hitler's soldiers producing it, which is interesting. So when I was in Lithuania, they tell me that story. And they can get it very easy in Austria, Lithuania, Germany, these countries are very easy. Other countries, it's not so recognized. So speaking of IVs and peptides and injections from cognitive improvement, I think the one buzz word for the last three, four months that you see everywhere is NAD+. And NAD+ there's Dr. Conner, who in the US, who is probably besides you, one of the people I listen most to in the peptide space and follow him quite closely and he has a very clear protocol and this protocol is quite, it's 750 ml per session every other day for the first two weeks. And then you do 250 ml once a month. It's like four to six hours to sit there and all things. I'm listening all the time. I'm like, yeah, I'm not anywhere close to this. And then this is say six to seven months ago, right? And then you start seeing people buying vials of NAD+. Including myself, I bought vials and I'm like, well, if you need 750 ml, what's a vial going to do? I'd probably skip that one. And then more and more people start microdosing NAD+. And then you got now NAD+. And a pen. And again, to this point, I'm like, well, is there something there? Does it have to be that kind of volume? Why do I need it? Why is it so popular? Why is everyone talking about it? So what's the secret behind NAD+. Okay. Again, based on my experience. And actually, the nurse that administered my NAD used to work for Dr. Carniball. So she rebelled. Small world. Interesting conversations. So for me, I see very rarely people doing a high dose IV, NAD. And then the next day or whenever I say, I feel absolutely amazing. I'd say it's probably less than 50% of people. And that's because most of us got oxidative stress. And the NAD can't break down that level of oxidative stress. It's just too overwhelming. So people start feeling nausea. They, you know, it hangs around in the lungs. It's not, it sounds terrible. It's just what happens with IVs. And people just feel sick and they don't feel anything. So what I started to do, I found this protocol on one of the four rooms a couple of years ago. And for my clients, we do 25 milligrams twice a week, choose the end Thursday for two weeks. The following two weeks, we do 50 milligrams. The following two weeks do 75 milligrams. The following two weeks we do 100 milligrams. Then go into your IV. Yeah. And as you prepare them, exactly. So you'll be able to, you'll be able to, you'll be able to, you'll start chipping down the oxidative stress to a point where then you can just flood it with a high dose NAD. And that for me works 90% of the time. So two days ago, I finally did my first NAD injection. It was a completely minimal injection. But I'm going to add an AD to the BPC retry tide test from Maryland because you fricking and feel it. I remember I did it. I went downstairs. It was about to walk my dog. I was trying to pick up my shoe. Me picking up my shoe. I was like, I feel a little bit. My head was spinning. I was like, what is going on? I had to flush in my face. I opened that door. I'm like, oh, yeah, NAD. So interesting that that's one, even a moment, those the first time you do it, there is certainly a sensation that I felt. But again, you just discussed the protocols. Do you agree that this is a critical component of your health span route, or this should be part of your routine or protocol at least some time throughout the year? Yes. I think that pros goal I just mentioned. And some people after that, they start doing the IVs every month or every three months. But I just think just to mitigate the potential bit not working, let's just do the microdose first, then build up to that. And look for cellular energy, anti-aging, regeneration, NAD is amazing. But in my opinion, I don't know if this is too strong a word, but it's being misused to get its best optimal outcome. I'm going to jump real quick to not have pep that space, but more supplement space. But NAD plus the precursors NMN. Yes. And I've been taking NMN for almost a year. Minimal those 250 MG every day, just because you believe that's a precursor, so that's good for your longevity aspect. Do you, if you take NMN, do you need NAD plus? They work well together. They do. Yeah, to take NMN first, then they take NAD after that can work very well, or you might not need it. And this is the biological individuality because you take supplements, you work in industry, you're healthy. And you blood tests every, I don't want to even share. I do blood tests more than people. I'm probably even more than you probably should. I mean, I think I'm, I was used to probably six times a year, every two months. Okay. Because of the amount of different things I'm trying now, I'm down to two every two weeks. And I'm doing panels from 50 to 100 parameters. Because I'm really writing down what I'm taking. I'm writing down that those are just what I'm taking. And I'm trying to understand what's the impact, what the change is. So this is becoming a really, really interesting aspect of my life today because there's so many peptides. I don't want to try and take all the peptides. I'm trying to take the ones that impact my health the most. And for that, I need the data. And as you said correctly, you need to stop using something, add something, and then realize what that works that you keep for the future. You don't. Okay. So I don't mind. Before we get to buy regulators, which is, I think you're starting point into the peptides. I want to talk about something that's called SLUPP. Yes. When you said exercise in a bottle and you said it to MOTC, the first time I heard exercise in a bottle was SLUPP. SLUPP, my understanding is the University of Florida, 2014, it was actually developed. I'm not, it get patented. I don't think it's FDA approved. So SLUPP was the exercise in a bottle that I read first. I tried it and you, because when you track a lot, I go in the gym. I, where my group, where my Apple watch, and I press workout. And I do my weightlifting session. My weightlifting session is an hour. And we all know Cali Tracers are complete BS and they're, they're shown probably 30 to 5% more. But because I do it every single day, it's their wrong every day the same. So let's say a single session for me for one hour weightlifting is 500 calories. If I do SLUPP, before my weight, my my session, those 500 calories turn to 650. You sweat. Last time I swedded that much was an ambassador court 20 years ago. What is that SLUPP? What do you think about it? Do you use it? What's your opinion? Yeah, I mean, first it's not a peptide, so SLUPP332. It mimics an activates mitochondria performance, which is really exercising the bottle and the same as you. Take it before I work out and the outcomes are amazing. You know, for getting cut and building muscle, really like it. Very important to cycle it like anything. Just like digress, they started to combine SLUPP332 with BAM15. Yes, it's like the Eastern mimicking product. And I have seen, because we've only really been selling that for, I've only really been working with people in that for the last three months, because I had such great outcome of SLUPP332, I'm not going to keep saying it for them. We had really good outcomes, SLUPP. So BAM15 for energy and fat burning alongside this, the data shows amazing outcome. I have to say, 50% of people that have taken it in my network feel very, very sluggish when they take BAM15 along with it. So in fact, I'm going to stop selling SLUPP332. I'm going to stop selling the combination. And we've just ordered in more SLUPP. So I'm glad you said that, because I've seen the product, the combined product on your page. Everything that I've read is those two don't go well together. Because they're actually blocking each other. So when I saw this product, I'm like, well, no, you should probably take it a different time. If at all, if you take BAM at all. But again, I think this is more getting a little bit too deep. So I still do. I'm at this point from a dosage perspective. There's before workout and before I go to bed. Yeah, that's it to moments. But again, I fully agree. It's probably at six weeks most, maybe even less. It makes no sense at loses its strength. There's one. Is it five? Five. Five or mean MQ. I heard of it from first time from Ben Greenfield talking about it. And he said, and this is a little bit like when I started laughing, because when he said that, a little bit when a person says, I've been taking hair supplements and my hairs are growing. How many days, like four days in? I'm like, ha ha. He's like, so I've been taking five. Five or five or mean one MQ. Five or mean one MQ. During workouts. And I do, I bench press 10% 15% more because my natural limitation where I'm trying to preserve myself is being shut off. And my body goes full blown. And I'm like, this is the biggest BS I've ever heard of my life. This is the worst sales tactic I've ever heard. So I ordered that stuff, because of course I need to try it myself. I go in the gym, I do incline bench press with a weight that I haven't moved probably in a decade. And I've never felt more more confident and secure in pushing it. My muscles didn't shake. I didn't have a psychological blockage. And I, this thing works. And then the problem thing with the second thing that Ben Greenfield was right on, he said, but it only works for a couple of weeks. So literally I'm talking about two or three weeks in, you can take it. There was nothing there. And there's one of those things. Have you experienced that? Do you know why it works? Can you explain? Five or mean one MQ. I, I, I, I didn't get the same benefits as you did. I didn't notice anything at all. Okay. So I don't know if it's just the noise in the digestive system or digestive tract. So again, it's an energy performing product, right? So, but both the SLUP and the five of me know when MQ are both very soon coming in subcutaneous format. Okay. And that's when I will. That's game changer. Game changer. Okay. Last topics because this has been incredible and we deep dive on so many topics. There's one thing that I think started your, maybe, maybe the first steps to bioregulators. What's the difference between peptides and bioregulators? And why don't we, based on all the research that we've seen and how incredible they work and I can share personal experience, how they impact my life dramatically after 20 days. Why don't people are more excited about them, especially because they're accessible and they're really, really not expensive? Disbelief, I think they, they, they, particularly people that have been taking peptides and sorry, are answered the first part of your question. So as we already discussed peptides, two amino acids are chained together and that's anything from two up until 50, then we're going to a polypeptide, then we're going to a protein. Normally when I'm coaching people, I explain that clearly from the offset because then when actually if you work your way backwards, all peptides are a small proteins. Yep. When you eat food, when you eat a steak, it goes through digestive enzymes, enzymes turn it into a peptide. That's all they are. It's very, very simple. Peptide bioregulators are only two to four chains of amino acids and they are still peptide like a subcategory of peptides. They were founded or discovered by Professor Kavinson in 1984, 85 during the Cold War. The Soviet Union said you have an open checkbook and we need to slow down premature aging for our Cosmonauts and Submariners. They come in back from duty and they're just premature aging. So he founded the pineal, epithelan, the pineal bioregulator and from this, he saw the slow down of aging as it said over a seven year period actually reversing the telomers, which means you are a reverse aging, which is amazing. Yep. That's why I started doing them. And but the key to this is that they work already because there are only two to four amino acids as we discussed anything below 10 can break through the endothelium but they're also nano insiders. So they break through the endothelium and work system, well, they actually, they don't work systemically. They're very, very targeted. So we mentioned the pineal, that's our is a pineal gland. We have another 20, whether it's tissue related, whether it's muscle related, whether it's hormone related, we have brain, we have central nervous system, we have heart, we have lungs. So imagine prostate. Process exactly. So imagine testes as well, ovary adrenals. So imagine that anti-atis almost like a epigenetic effect. So it's creating like if you had the most perfect epigenetic environment, how would different parts of your body work. So we already discussed a pineal that regulates your circadian ribam, your melatonin, extends or slows down the reduction of your telomers. So that's anti-aging in the capsule. So you imagine your anti-aging, the target area for all the other products we just talking about. So if someone in the family has heart issues, I always say to people, what's the new get these ego people? So I said, what's your weakest part? What's the weakest part of your chain? I don't have any weak parts. Okay. Anything, hereditary, anything, the family, anything you worried about. Oh, my dad had cardiovascular heart issues. Okay, let's start with the heart bioregulator because what we want to do, we want to prevent it. So when we're talking about prevention, people don't always very often feel anything because we're just doing prevention. So that's where bioregulators really hit the mainstream for prevention because I don't really feel anything. What I see work very well actually is people that are very, very healthy or people that are chronically ill. So if they've got some sort of chronic issue that I can target, if we've got problems with their kidneys or their liver and we do the liver bioregulator, then you see their liver functionality comes back to normal very, very quickly actually. What we do see, even though we've Professor Kavinson, who actually, I once trained with him, but I sat with him for an hour, three years ago, he was at a conference and I was at a dinner table and I kept moving around. So I sat next to him and then we got, These are Michael Jordan, I'm a peptide. Absolutely. And that was, that was a bit overwhelmed at first and then Starstruck and then we got talking and he said to me, because I slightly mentioned about bioregulators, when did you first start doing bioregulators? I said 2014, he went, "Where are you from?" I said England, he said, "No way." And we just hit it off and we had just had an hour and he just, I just got so much knowledge in that hour and I said to him, you know, injections versus capsules, he said, "All the data I've got, all the studies that you've seen are capsules. Don't worry about injecting in the cell." Of course, it's slightly more efficacy, but why do you want to get over that? Why do you want to have to try and get over that barrier when you get so much efficacy from the capsules? So to answer the question, I think it's such a preventative that people don't think it's working and unless you, you know, some sort of chronic issue. But the real game changer for me was when I worked with a client on the ovary peptide, just after I met Kavinson and she hadn't had regular cycles for seven years and after three months, so that was 30 days on, 10 days off. So 20 days off, 10 days on, 20 days off, 10 days on, three month period, her cycles became regular and they have done ever since. And for me, that was huge. And then I've got other females on the ovary and they've lost weight around the hips. Their whole endocrine system seems more balanced. Generally, if there's any sort of hormone imbalance, I'd ask them to take the pineal. The pineal we call the conductor to the orchestra of hormones and that works so well because you sleep, right? And the one thing that Professor Kavinson said to me, he passed away, I see months goes, resting piece, he said to me that you don't ever see side effects. It's, I've got millions and millions of studies, you don't ever see side effects. So respectfully, I would say that if tiredness is a side effect, then that should be mentioned. Because when you're taking peenial and if you don't sleep properly, then what the body is trying to reverse aging, is trying to give you some sort of longevity outcome. And if you're not sleeping well, it's going to force you to sleep. For instance, when I first started taking it and I'm, you know, I worked with sleep hygiene, I'm not the best sleep, sleep 10 o'clock in the night, I'm out, you know, 4, 5, 6 in the morning, I'm, you know, I'm very active. So when I was taking the peenial, I had to have afternoon apps. There was no work as a vibe. I could not perform. So I was having 20, 30 minute apps and there's an amazing product. Listen, I mean, from Byrugas perspective, the only ones, there's, I've recommended to every female and friends family just around just to get on it. I did thyroid, I did prostate, I did testes. When I'm trying to, hopefully I can convey this to people. There's people who are trying to sell you things. The moment you say this, which is, again, we're talking about accessibility. We're talking about 40, 50, 60 dollars. We're not talking about the world. I'm not talking about, it's accessible enough. When we're telling you, hey, can you use this for a limited time once or twice a year? But that doesn't convince you that this is not a sales tactic, but this is actually something of a routine of a protocol to improve your lifespan, your health span, and something you can actually feel, not right away, like injection, but you will feel it in not even months. I thought the difference in weeks. And hopefully at some point people will start believing it because the supplement industry it's just so bad because everybody is the one who's screened the loudest and are the most colorful and get the most attention. Many of bioregulators were like, hey, can you just take this 20 days on, 10 days off, 10 days. If you do this, even just once a year, that's a really huge progression again. Dean, thank you so much for this man. Absolute pleasure. You're welcome. That, hopefully, and the good thing about peptides is we're going to have enough content for many, many more to come because next time I'm going to see there's probably five more out there official who overtook, retarded, who overtook, slooped with injection, whoever was going to happen. Next question, actually two more questions. What's your current personal stack? So, so interestingly, I had a soft tissue injury. So number one, GHKCU, BPC157 and Retotrutide. I'm taking the BPC157 and the GHKCU because of the tear in my tendon for playing far too much pedal. I upped my BPC recently because I had a bit of soft tissue injury here where I was trying to train around the elbows. I pulled a muscle here and I took BPC for two days, it's gone. This is literally the last two days and it's just amazing. People won't believe you until they try. You just forget. And then also, because we've been doing it for such a long time, you forget of the benefit. So I've taken it, I'll let it recover quickly. And I was in the gym yesterday morning, it was gone. Why is that? Suddenly gone, but it's been there for two months and it's the BPC and the Retotrutide for the reasons we discussed. Awesome. And last question, I was working people find you. So you can find us on dnlabresearch.com, Instagram, Dean_eHenry. Awesome man, thanks so much. Pleasure to have you and hope to see you soon. Thank you again for having me for Dean. Cheers.