My Call w/ Epstein Buddy’s “Wife” & Charlie Kirk Pod REACTION | Julian Dorey

(dramatic music) - What's up everybody and welcome back to another episode of The Julian Dory Podcast. I am Julian Dory. - Now, Joey, Dave, how you doing? - How you doing? Joey, Dave, you got the MI6? Look at your fucking LinkedIn. What's going on here? - Yeah, yeah, like so people, if you have LinkedIn, like you get these emails like regularly and it's just like people are viewing your profile. And so I'm just like cleaning out all the junk shit 'cause my storage is almost full. - Oh no. - And I press one of them and it's like somebody from MI6, "View your profile." And I'm like, "Oh, well, that's great." - Yeah. - It must be all that, that royalist talk. It was just, it's just Joey. (laughing) - You called the queen, a queen of (beep) now that I'm taking it out. - They declared you an IRA terrorist at this point. - Yeah, I was like, "Oh shit, man." I'm like, "Where do they view my profile for?" - Yeah, you just have a nice little innocent job running the production of the show and now you got all this undue attention on you. I'm sorry, Joey Deef. - But when you say it like that, it makes it sound like that isn't it? You're like, "Oh, this little innocent job." - Yeah, this isn't innocent job. Don't listen to 'em. - Very very innocent. But on that note, we do have a lot to go through today. I got to speak with Amanda Ungaro for an hour. And Amanda Ungaro has been covered on the show. If you don't remember, she is the mother of Palo Zampolis child and she was deported by ice after being arrested for something else and then started to make some noise obviously down in Brazil over this whole thing with Epstein and it quite literally led to Melania Trump coming out and giving a six minute speech in the White House back in April. Literally as a result of Amanda just tweeting out a bunch of stuff, saying stuff like, "I know where the bodies are buried," and all that. So I'm gonna discuss that call and I'm gonna go through what Amanda told me I can talk about. And just the details as I got it, it was fascinating. It was also another reminder, Joey Deef, of exactly why I do this show in person only. - Yeah. - It's very, you know, Amanda was great. It's still frustrating 'cause you're like on Zoom and you're trying to get in questions, but there's like a little delay and all that. So I spoke with her for an hour. It really needed to be four or five. But we at least got like an outline of things. So I do wanna say, when I get to that part, if you see some spots where it jump cuts, 'cause when we do these, we just record it straight for 95 minutes and there's never a jump cut. But if you see a spot where it's a jump cut, it means that it is something I was reviewing with her to make sure she was okay with it being public. Because the nature of our conversation was, we were just gonna get on there and talk and assume it was off record at least at the beginning until set otherwise. And when we closed the conversation, she and I came doing agreement about bringing a lot of this stuff on the record here. And I'm gonna review that with her just to make sure all that is exactly what she wanted to be out there and things like that. But hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. - I'll get to that in a minute. We also got to talk about that fucking crazy podcast that Danny Jones did this week that was dropping some interesting alpha with Yuval Aviv and I'll give a full backstory there as well. And I've had a chance to talk with Danny about some of that podcast too. So we'll go through that. And then yeah, just some very interesting biz going on with respect to our economy this week and some generational divides. And it's just time we hit this with some of the shit that's being gasslet to people. Like I feel like you and I have been talking about this a lot behind the scenes, Steve. - It's getting nauseated. - That's another thing on top of the thing off camera. I just said before this, it's getting so nauseating. - It's a lot. But to begin today, I do think we should at least give our little first person reaction to the two podcasts, but in particularly the second podcast that we dropped this week with Baron Coleman and Joseph Scott Morgan. So this was obviously, so episode 459 that is, this was four hours and 15 minutes of breaking down the entire immediate aftermath and investigation from both the literal and hypothetical what should have been done perspective of the Charlie Kirk assassination. We essentially after the pleasantries at the very beginning, we began that podcast with the shot is fired on, or whatever happened there on September 10th, 2025. And I think like 90 minutes in, deep we were still at the point where Charlie's body was going like this, meaning like about a half a second had elapsed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. We slowed down time on that. Yeah, it was real like matrix-y kind of shit, but you know, don't wanna join the Matrix though. - No, no, no. You don't wanna be a part of the Matrix. It gets you in the shoe. - Anyway. Anyway, so it was that in depth and we eventually closed it with essentially for all intensive purposes when Charlie's body left the morgue. And we did a little bit of that rooftop video that it come out as well to get a reaction. But this was really, really important to me to be able to get these two guys in a room. And I wanna give a huge shout out to both Baron and JSM. They killed it. It was, it was absolutely four hours and 15 minutes of awesome back and forth, awesome in-depth breaking down of what we've been told publicly has happened with the investigation and what was happening on the ground when Charlie was shot. And also what should have happened. And also things that we would want to expect when a trial, if and when a trial does come to have seen the state have done in their investigation. And there was a lot of controversy after the first podcast I put out with Joseph because it wasn't even supposed to be on the whole Charlie Kirk case. We were gonna talk about a million cases, but then we just got stuck talking about Charlie Kirk for over three hours. And obviously Joseph looks at hundreds of cases at a time. And so as someone, I said this a couple episodes, but as a couple episodes ago, but as someone who is not an expert on the case, pointed me here, I didn't put Joseph in the best position for some of that podcast to be able to accurately go through all of the things we now know or things that have been questioned publicly based on what they told us that don't appear to be true. And so it was really good to be able to get Baron here so quickly that initially wasn't gonna be my plan. My plan was to have Baron in and the fall. It was gonna reach out to him in like the end of August. But I was like, all right, let's do this right away. Reached out to Baron had an amazing conversation with him, got him in here. But it was awesome to get him in here as well as someone who has been like the chief litigator online of asking questions about this case and talking about it basically back since it happened for hours at a time every single week, to get him in here to lay out not just his backstory as well, which I think is important so that you can understand how he looks at these things. But then to lay out just like here's where we're at, here are all the questions that we still don't have answered, things that smell, things that could be odd, things that we still have to be open to, things that maybe we don't have to be open to, et cetera, to get that on the record. It was great to have that for episode 458. And Baron was nice enough to stay here for two days. The second day being what was filmed with episode 459 would Joseph and him where we could put the two of them together now after having had two separate podcasts and have them exchange ideas for four hours, 15 minutes. I thought it was gonna be amazing. I really did. I was very confident that these two, especially once I recorded with Baron and really got to know him the day before, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. I gotta be so I go back way back with Joe Scott Morgan. But I don't know what you thought, Tief, but it exceeded my expectations. Like these guys were down to the detail. It felt like when we were in there, Baron was an attorney, which he is by trade, deposing his expert witness. Yeah. And like almost preparing him for questions that could come his way. And it was not in the courtroom, so it was relaxed. Yeah, no, I thought it was great. Not that I didn't expect anything crazy to happen, but it was very like calm, cool, professional, like really good rapport between the both of them. And I feel like you got exactly what you wanted out of it, like where people will watch it and it'll just be like, no one's claiming this, no one's claiming that. It's all just laid out for you to decide for yourself. That's the best that you could hope for. That's exactly what I think to end, you know, people are always gonna nitpick certain things and stuff like that. For sure. You know, Baron when he went home on Sunday, 'cause he was here Friday, Saturday, and he wanted to be real quiet about ways here. I couldn't even tell, like people I see every day about like, he was moving silence. Yeah, he was moving a motherfucking silence with some security, but then he went home, so he announced that what had happened and all that. And, you know, I felt like his messaging in that first line. live stream if you didn't see it last Sunday night was so spot on because what was cool is he's a guy who has really pounded the table on they are not telling us the truth here. And I think I think there's a lot of evidence to point to issues there that makes a good case for him, by the way, but you know, it also has an environment online where the argument about it is very toxic is just people are so strong-willed about this and I understand that, you know, someone died here and you're not getting the full story, it appears that way for sure. And we've seen plenty of assassinations in the past in the United States where they clearly shoved the wool over us. So I get that. But what it does is it does make people very, very angry. And so what Baron was saying is that this was an awesome example of people coming together in good faith on both sides to go through this. And I even know if Joseph has a side, but Joseph has like a, I'm breaking it down strictly by the expert evidence kind of side, which means there could be some stuff sometimes where he's like, I don't, I don't know how that would make sense from a ballistic standpoint or whatever. And so obviously people would kind of put him on one end of the spectrum after the last podcast and people know the end of the spectrum that Baron's on on the other side. So bringing them together and them getting along so well and also like finding so much common ground was incredible because Baron was also saying he's like, yeah, you know, there is things about this case that Joseph and I disagree on, which I think he's right about to be clear. But what's crazy is in the podcast, all the details we went through, I don't know that there was ever a single disagreement. There was an exchange of possibilities for ideas and like setting of standards and such, you know. And I think Baron deserves credit for also like, people don't hear him clearly when he says this stuff, but like, yeah, you may be pounding the table about all the problems here, but he's open to seeing evidence that would change his mind on certain things. And to his credit, they haven't given us that yet. You know, I can't lie. Like that. We ended up playing the rooftop video in both of those episodes this week once with Baron and then obviously once with the two of them, there's a lot of questions after you look at that. There's a lot of questions. Why doesn't he have a limp? Where's the fucking 42 inch gun? You know, like, our eyes looked at it. And like if you can convince me and show me with some sort of expert witness as to why they're still a limp there or more importantly, I'd say even where the gun is, okay, I'll change my mind. But like, I look at that and I go, I don't know what the fuck that is. And it's very, very reasonable for people to ask that question. And so I just really appreciated both of those guys coming in here and doing that. And like a little of the behind the scenes when they both got here that day, Joseph got here. I flew in Joseph on Saturday morning. So he got here from the airport and then Baron arrived shortly after the two of them. You know, they're both from Alabama. Joseph's originally from New Orleans, but you know, obviously spent a lot of his life in Alabama. Two southern good old boys in a way. And they just started kind of talking on the couch and Steve the security guy was out there too. And I just kind of walked into the studio and looked at deep. I'm like, yo, just, just let this, let this happen. Yeah, yeah. The meal good up a little bit. It comfortable. So they're out there for like 20, 25 minutes, just talking. I'm like, okay, there's no tension. We're good. Let's roll. And I went out there. Are you ready? We came in. We sat down and we did the whole thing and like there were, there were a couple of bathroom breaks this time. My bladder wasn't as good as the first day of Baron, but we were, that's piss. We were rolling the whole time. And I do think Baron said this on his livestream and he didn't tell me he was going to talk about on his livestream that night. I didn't talk about, I did not talk with him again after he left until I think Monday morning. You know, he said he believes this is the most comprehensive breakdown of the crime scene and the elements that go into what should be and what possibly was the forensics investigation that exists on the internet. And I don't say this to be biased. I mean, maybe I am, but I was thinking that when we were recording it. When we were about, when we were starting to really rip through the autopsy, when we took the second bathroom break, maybe a little over three hours in from time, I was like, I don't think there's been something done like this on, on this case. So I hope people get a lot out of that. We're recording this before I can see the response to it like with people having had a chance to watch it on Friday, but I did release on Wednesday, the early release on Patreon and, and members only a lot of people saw that. Now, I was really, really, the early response there, which was, you know, in, in the thousands from people, because a lot of people were watching that was, was really good. So I hope good things can prevail from this. I, I hope that we do eventually get to some kind of truth on this case. I will admit cynically, I've said this many times before it kind of wonder if we ever will, but I think it's true. We won't. Yeah. Sorry. There's a reason the MI6 man himself, but anyway, so, you know, that said, I don't want it to be because rocks weren't turned over where we could do them. And I do appreciate the people who are at least trying. That was one thing that really did stick with me from what Baron said. He's like, a lot of people, regardless of whether they love Charlie Kirk or hated Charlie Kirk, saw this. And from a human perspective, right, just so we're disgusted by what happened. And he said, then add in, you know, of those two groups, the people that actually really did love him and appreciated the things he did, they more than anyone, of course, want to know what happened here to their guy. And they want justice for that. And you should be able to ask questions around that without being shut down or said, this is an open shut case. It's, it's that simple. And he's in no way wrong about that. And so there's nice to be able to get all perspectives, do it, kind of turn that into a hopefully some sort of a positive for the conversation to happen publicly. But I will let the public now run with that as they do. We don't have any control over that here. And you know, I really would just like to get to the point to when this trial actually happens. I hope it does fucking happen so that, you know, this whole thing can kind of eventually be behind us with some semblance of closure. Yeah. Cause until then, we are living under the Kirk effect. The Kirk effect. What's the Kirk effect? I do. It's like where no matter what, like what, what, like you could like be at the grocery store talking to somebody and somehow you're going to just be like, yeah, but a 30 odd six. You know, like, it's just no, you can't run away from it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm going to be at this wedding this weekend and like, it's going to be like, isn't it beautiful? Like, oh, Rhode Island's great. I've been up to Newport a couple of times. What did you, so do you think the mic could do that? No, I personally don't, I personally don't, you know, like that's just how it's going to go. Joey Deef exploding mic. No, no, no, no, don't put that on me, Ricky Bobby. Just heard it here. Don't you put that hex on me, Ricky Bobby. Listen. When you get on LinkedIn, it's going to be like, somebody from massage, viewed your profile. I know it's the best, my boyfriend comes out to me in the gym a couple of days ago. And we're just talking about like nothing. And then he just goes, yo, that was my side, right? I'm like, what? He's like, I'm like, Frank, I don't fucking know, bro, you just asked me a lot of things. You just asked me like what, what I was doing with kettlebells, exactly, how did the kilograms convert to pounds? Oh, I don't know about you. You think that was missot. Yeah. He's like, definitely missot. It's like, maybe, maybe, I don't know, that's the greatest aside, I don't know, but that is the great society right there. But let's, let's get to the Amanda and Garo thing. Yeah. So again, I reference this at the beginning, but if you see jump cuts, that's because there's something that, you know, in reviewing this with Amanda, she wants to keep off record. But hey guys, just as a quick note, I was able to get everything I'm about to say cleared by Amanda herself. And she also was nice enough to send over some of the screenshots pertaining to at least some of the things I'm talking about. So I'm going to go check that out on the edit right now. And whatever is relevant to things I said, when you hear a woosh sound, that means it went on the screen and you can see some sort of document or email right there. Like I said, I really needed three, four hours with her. I got an hour so I could get an outline. But right off the bat, what I'll say is there were things that she said that were the direct opposite of what she would be incentivized to say as an example. And I'll get to the details of this in a minute. She said that she in Palo in all the years she was with and without him, there was like a three year cap in there at one point, for example, it was roughly 20 years. They never talked about Epstein ever. And like she's incentivized to be like, oh, he talked about him all the time and, you know, I knew everything they were doing. We know that Palo's ampoli according to evidence. was looking to buy a modeling agency with Jeffrey Epstein as a partner. I forget which one it's maybe as a Lee. I don't remember. In like, oh, four. Like, he's in business with the guy and everything, and yet Amanda is saying, nope, didn't really talk about it. So I took like some bullet point notes of like things that can come on the record because like I said at the end of the conversation, I said, okay, here's what I think we could talk about. Let me know what you think of that. She's like, yes, absolutely. Go through this, this, and this. And then there were a couple things that was like, all right, let's, that would be best to not talk about that right now. But essentially, Amanda was modeling in Milan by age 13. Now I didn't get to really dig deeper on this, but she doesn't make any claims that anything ever happened to her. Yeah, I would describe her as a very tough woman. For sure. She's definitely, I would not want to get on her bad side. I do want to throw that out there, definitely. But you know, she was modeling at a young age. She was from Brazil, ends up in Milan at 13. She's living in Paris at like 15, 16 right to when she's 17, modeling. And I believe it was she was working for Jean-Luc Brunel at his modeling agency. Some of that was like a little unclear. But the way she ended up in the United States is at age 17 in I believe 2001. She got on the little lyrics press with Jeffrey Epstein, Gillen Maxwell, Jean-Luc Brunel and 30 other girls. That's how she got to New York. And she claims nothing happened to her on that flight. But she said, you know, these girls were very comfortable like as if they had been in that environment before. And that Epstein and Maxwell and Brunel, this was like very normal for them. And there would be girls sitting on the lap of Epstein and stuff. And she thought some of it was a little weird. But what was odd was when she went to get off the plane in the US, Jean-Luc Brunel threw her a, and Jean-Luc Brunel, by the way, is the guy who definitely unalived himself. That's what the government told me. So I'm going to choose to believe them. Presidents day, weekend, 2022 in his I believe Parisian jail cell. You know, I'm sure there was nothing more there. But anyway, he was Jeffrey Epstein's longtime buddy and a major modeling scout and executive in Europe who was also alleged to have been central to the trafficking operation on that side of the map as it pertains to Epstein and his orbit, if you will. But Jean-Luc Brunel threw Amanda Ungaro a, a plastic like circular baggie she said that contained a lot of drugs. She knew right away it was drugs. She threw it back and said, no, you take this shit. I like her accents. Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's like the way she explains things is very entertaining. But she threw it back to him and she left. And she never saw Keylan Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not sure about Brunel, but Epstein and Maxwell she never saw them again. I don't know if she ever saw Epstein again, but she never saw Maxwell again until around 2014. I'll get to that point in the story when Amanda started doing some stuff with the UN. And she ran into Maxwell as it pertains to her fucking prestige worldwide, very fake organization called Terramar trying to save the world's oceans or whatever the fuck they were doing. I'll I'll get to that. But again, she would be incentivized in my opinion to say, oh, I was hanging out with him all the time. Palo talked about him with me all the time. I saw them all the time. We all knew what they were doing. She's incentivized to do that because she definitely hates her ex, Palo Zampoly. I understand that. And, you know, she's also sitting in Brazil right now, not in America with her son as a result of I'll get to that part of the story. Palo getting her just pushed out of this country and I think what amounts to forms of blackmail. Those are the claims. This is pure spec. These are alleged your honor. This is just allegations from someone that I am reporting secondhand. I don't know. Palo Zampoly might be a great guy. But it's possible alleged. We got cover the bases here, Joey. Good business. It's how it is. So Amanda says that she met Palo in Brazil. When she was 15. Okay. So this would have been when she was signed to, I forget which modeling, maybe it was idea at that point, but one of the modeling companies. And right before she went to live in Paris for a year or two. That's interesting because Palo Zampoly would have been by my math around 29 years old at that time, medium 15 year old. We all know how dirty the modeling business has apparently been in the past and probably still is in some ways. Hopefully not nearly as bad as it clearly used to be where what I mean by that is they'd be recruiting girls when they're 12 13 because they're like, oh, she's a looker. Yeah. She'll be the next one. And then God knows what happens to him when that happens. So I say that because he met her when she's 15 and she's a young model. She was already a model at that point and it hypothetically could have been a part of his job that he was meeting her. Obviously, I think it went beyond that because he ended up with her. Again, I have to be careful. I say these things, but if you're spec, we're all drawing certain conclusions out there. And I think you're very reasonable to draw those conclusions by the way, but you don't want to dip the pen in company. That's right. Exactly right. Are we sponsored by Red Bull now? Did I miss that? We ought to be. It gives you wings. Yeah. Come on, guys. It gives you wings. I got nothing against Red Bull. But anyway, we're not sponsored by Red Bull. It's on the money. So he, please, we really need it. We really do. I don't know where all these guys get the money. Yeah, I don't know. Like what was it? Baron was like Kirk was making 25, 30 a year. What am I doing wrong? That's the Kirk effect though, dude. That's a lot. That's before the, you know, yeah. Big bizz. It's huge big donors. Huge bizz. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I drive a Honda. I like my Honda. Listen, we, we tighten up this reporting on the war. And by tightening up, I mean, we just flip flop. We're going to have money flying through the door. So we're going to take that 50 million dollar bag. Exactly. Yeah. Turned down. We hung out for hollow by the way. It was a very informative man. You don't really understand. I asked her about that too. Let's go. Yeah. We'll get there. We'll get there. But anyway, so he meets Palo's employee meets Amanda and she alleges at age 15. She then reconnects with him. I want to say the next time she reconnected him was in fact in New York. I can't remember if she mentioned if she ever saw him in Paris, but I'm pretty sure it was not until she was in New York after she had gotten off the lowly to express and was here. And the way she explains it, the timeline is that he began full blown dating her when she was in New York. And to give the benefit of the doubt of the timeline, I would imagine it lines up with her being 18. If that does anything for anyone out there, obviously the whole he was, he's born in 1970. And this would have been in 2002. So he's 32. She's 18. I think that's weird. Couldn't be me. Yeah. Could be me, chief, but I guess that would be legal, right? So they start dating and this is where I had to she jumped around a bit and I would bring it back and forth. So I'm going to stay with that too because what she was saying kind of then gives context to things when we go back. So just bear with me on the timeline here. But again, she says that nothing ever happened to her from from like as a model coming out from like an abuse perspective in that way. She began dating Palo. Eventually he never married her, but eventually they had a child together and she was living with him and with him for until 2015ish. And I'll get there in a second. But so that's that's a lot of years. Yeah. By the way. And the way I would describe Palo. Good friend of ours, Joey D. Apparently. But you know, the way I would describe Palo is very similar to Tony soprano. So if you remember Tony soprano fucking cheated on his wife all the time. Amanda explains to me. He cheated on her all the time. And yet when Carmella, spoiler alert, if you haven't fucking seen the soprano is when Carmella went to separate from Tony and look at a divorce, he refused to let it happen. And then he even went so far as to talk with every high-powered divorce attorney in the area so that then they had a conflict and couldn't talk with her. And the idea was he would get extremely angry at the idea of her so much as seeing another dude even though they were separated and of course he was getting whatever box he wanted to get. But you know, it was like, only I can have you. No one else can have you. That's how Paulo treats Amanda for short. The difference is, and here's the difference. Tony Sprano, who was a textbook sociopath to be clear, Tony Sprano actually loved Carmella. I actually do believe that. As much as a sociopath can feel love. I think he did. I don't get the sense Paulo's Ampoly loves Amanda Ongaro or ever did. I don't know. I'd never talk with Paulo's Ampoly. There's not a fuck ton of him out there talking a lot over the years. There's some, we've played some of it, but like I don't know that he's capable of that. And the pattern with him repeatedly is that no, no, you're mine. You're with me. I won't marry you. I'll have a kid with you. I won't marry you. And I'll fuck everything else that moves. But you're mine. And you're with me. And that's it. And so that is a pattern that I think is very clearly demonstrated throughout their 20, 324 year odyssey together at that point. Paulo, when he began dating her, of course, told her that he'd make her a star, all that with modeling. He loved Bomder. You heard Nadine McEluso talk about that back in episode 302 with me. She was the Wolf of Wall Street's wife and ex-wife now. But, you know, she talked about how, you know, he was a raging narcissist and he would just give her a lot of gifts and give her a lot of things to make her feel like she was loved and all that. So that's similar thing happened with Amanda at the beginning and again, she's young. Like clearly to me, Amanda had to grow up quickly, way quicker than any kid should ever have to. But that also stunts a lot of development that happens as well. And at the same time, when you're 18, 19, 20, you may be more less green at the world because you've seen a lot of shit in her case, but like you're still 18, 19, 20. And like that stuff has a psychological effect on you. But anyway, she has a child with him as she said, she has no contact with Epstein and Maxwell during these years. And then in 2014, she begins working at the UN and the way she describes the UN. Like I know it's a fucked up place. I know there's a lot of bullshit going on there. But this is just like a fucking, this is like a legalized black market of like wealthy diplomats around the world to just fuck around and maybe never find out. Yeah, I mean, checks out. It does check out. So she had left the fashion industry and in June 2014, Keith Mitchell, who was the prime minister of Grenada, appointed Ungaro as United Nations ambassador for youth affairs. Now, again, when you only have an hour with someone, this is a textbook example of like something I'd like to know more about. What the fuck does Amanda have to do with Grenada? That's number one. Number two, I forgot Grenada was a country. And then I remembered like we like took it over in like a day in 1984. And number three, like ambassador for youth affairs, what does that mean? What are, what does that mean? What are the qualifications here? I don't know. And I'm sure Amanda would, I'm gonna guess, I should say, would probably be pretty blunt about the fact that it's all bullshit, even on her end, maybe with some of the things she was doing because she went through this whole thing about how in the UN, mother fuckers were just selling diplomatic passports for 250 grand. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know, what does that mean? And she's like, well, it's a diplomatic passport, you can go from one place to another. And the way I took it was a bunch of these small countries that you and I have never heard of. This is where they get their juice and they're like, we can give you a passport from our country. So you could travel wherever the fuck you want. Dominica? Never heard of it. Now you have. And that was the funny part. She was telling me about, you know, Palo wanted to get involved with the UN to get closer to some people so he made up some shit about the oceans and I'm like, yeah, what does he know about OSHA? She's like, nothing, not the damn thing. And I was like, okay, yeah. I also was unaware, Dominica was a country. And I think she laughed at that. I think I said that to her. I was definitely thinking that, but I think I said that to her. And then I never got like what his affiliation with Dominica was because there was not. It's just another Caribbean island. For all I know, it could have been owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Like I'm sick. Can we Google that just to make, like, make sure for the 50th time that that's actually a fucking country? Who owns Dominica? Who owns Dominica? Do I have any Dominicans out there, not like Dominican Republicans, but the other Dominicans? It's not owned by any person. It's not owned by person. It gave full independence from Great Britain. We love that. Good for them. They fought the Red Coats in one two hundred years later. Good for them. November 3rd, 1978, and it operates as a sovereign democratic republic. I want to see who this person is. Head of state, president, Silvani Burton, Dave's going to look into that. It's a sovereign democratic republic. Got that sovereign democratic republican republic, fucking passports being passed around apparently, too. Yeah. Pure spec. That's Silvani. So this is Silvani. This is their leader. She won in 2023. She was born in the village of Crayfish River as a member of the Calina, Kalin, Kalin, Kalin Nago people and holds a bachelor's degree in world development and a master's degree in project management. All right. Good for her. Great. All right. So checks out. She's qualified for the job. Got a degree. Anyway, so Palo has this affiliation and another thing I didn't get to dig deeply on is again, he's ambassador for the oceans. How was Gillen Maxwell's very fake Taramar project about the oceans? What's going on in their motions? What's happening down in the motions, boy, the aliens and it's something, something we ain't know about 95% of that shit down there. Yeah. They're just like keyed in on Atlantis. That's where all this shit's going down. That's right. They're having a satanic ritual with a bunch of fucking, I didn't want to keep the digital there. Yeah. But we get it. They're desecrating Atlantis. Get Randall Carlson in here. He's going to lose his fucking mind on these people. These people have no fucking idea what any of this shit is, man. I know the history. Not them. Anyway, so, oh, the other thing she threw in a shot, he was doing, pal, can we Google this? I didn't. Yeah. I know exactly. How was him pulling was doing something with the tigers. She's like, all that bullshit with tigers. He just wanted to get close to Putin because he loved tigers. I'm like, that's not open. I think it's a bit of a series here, but all right. So, entrepreneur and diplomat, Paul Zampoli, is well known for featuring live tiger cubs at his lavish birthday, that's not, I feel like that's not saving the tiger. Okay. At his lavish birthday parties, as part of an eccentric effort to raise awareness for endangered wild tigers, later sparking headlines when a collection of expensive art tigers was stolen from his New York property. That's some cartel kingpin bullshit. That's something like when you go down to like the barrio that you're not allowed to go to down in fucking Mexico out in the foothills, where some guys been living for 40 years, living off a cocaine revenue, just has this open air party where maybe some people, when they say the wrong thing, get shot in the back and never heard from again, where everyone's partying. There's fucking, you know, Don Diablo's there playing shout out Don Diablo. He's paid a lot of money to do it as some short, pure spec, obviously never happened. But you know, maybe flow ride is there. I don't know. I don't know. And they're just performing, getting the people go in, a little sexy time on a dance floor. Yeah. And then in the middle, you have some dude in the middle, one of them cages. Yeah. And he's got some really like a couple hot strippers next to him. And they're blowing, the strippers are blowing like the fire through the bubble thing. And then next to them in the cages, like tigers, like tigers were, and he says we're here to save the tigers. And then someone's like, he goes to feed the tiger, he's like, that's the last guy who's that long. That's right. You know, it's like, you know, same way to Pablo Escobar was trying to save the hippos. That's definitely what he was doing. Well, there was a heist involved with this too. Oh, no. You see this? Give it to me, Joey Deaf, boss. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The Global Tiger Fund, Zampoldy commissioned artists to decorate roughly 75 ceramic and fiberglass art tigers intended to be sold to benefit wildlife conservation in 2012. December, a brazen daylight heist occurred at his Grammarcy Park area property in Manhattan. She was living there then. Thieves stole around 18 of the expensive ceramic and fiberglass tiger statues while neighbors watched. While neighbors watched, they're like, they're like, ah, fuck them. You know what, you get this, there's 10 more in there. They're like, oh, it could be a moving crew. And it's like clearly burglars with, like, slices on right now, he's a fucking asshole. Let them clean them out. Oh, also, this is a real height difference. between these two too, so I don't. - She's taller, that's kind of, I think it's kind of cool sometimes. - I mean, it says a big difference. - Yeah. - We're not, we're not talking like two three inches here. I was just thinking about, he's like Mussolini. - Yeah, you're working with some tough geometry there. Look at that. Let me just get that first one right there. - Yeah, yeah, it's, you know. That's probably why he's trying to take over the world. He's just, you know, not tall enough. I don't know. I don't know, that's what Matt Cox says. Don't shoot the messenger. My friend Matt Cox, you know, says, always look out for a short people. - Yeah, he looks like a mobster. - Yeah. - We gotta bone there. He does look like a mobster. - Like, he looks like he is like the union head for some construction union new jobs everywhere. - Yep, 100%. He's like, listen, you know, we projected 12 months on the project, fuck it, 38. - That's right. - They're like 38 months. He's like, yeah, fuck it. - Fuck it. - These guys need jobs. We're gonna give him jobs. - He's even got the Italian accent too 'cause he's from there. So he could be like one of the imports. - Yeah, I don't know. - Real Furio Junta. - This isn't pure spec. I don't trust him. - Yeah, yeah, that's not pure spec. I don't trust him either. But anyway, back to what Amanda was saying. So they're selling a bunch of passports for 250. Then she threw in something. I was like, you know, this is, and she kept going. This is Zoom, I just can't. But she's like, yeah, that's why China killed that one guy for giving out a passport or something like that to him. Maybe it was like a bad passport. I don't know. But that was like a real little TMZ moment in the middle of there. They're like, oh, I guess, I guess there's some blood guts and gore in the UN too. Chinese man gets death, no, no, no, that's not it. It was someone at the UN from some other country. And she just very casually is like, that's why the Chinese kill him. Care spec. - Yeah. - I don't know. - They do that. - I've heard some things, but that's, you know, that is what it is. But like I said, until she runs in the UN at the UN, she had never seen her and spoken to her during that time period, the 13 years since the plane ride. And she didn't have like a close relationship with Gillenn at the UN. She mentioned like seeing her at some of the cocktail parties and stuff like that. And it was like a casual yes, no you. Obviously like she knew Palo, New Gillenn pretty well. More on that in a minute. But she didn't speak about Epstein with Palo at all. And she only spoke with Palo about Gillenn when she found the, and this is some years after that, after 2014, when she found the emails between Gillenn and Palo. And Palo had said publicly like when she found these emails, this was after COVID. So Palo at that point had apparently, according to Amanda, said publicly, like, oh no, I barely knew Gillenn, whatever is just, you know that. And then when Amanda, I'll get to that in a minute. I don't see you got this, but when she got the emails, she saw that they were talking like, oh, were you going in June or whatever? Like talking as friends, a lot of back and forth, like about social life and things they were doing. So he was not being honest about that. But what happened was in 2015, she goes to separate from Palo. And she moves out and they eventually come to a separation agreement in 2018. And as a part of that agreement, according to Amanda, he was going to agree to help get her green card and visa and a bunch of that stuff to basically keep her immigration status, kosher here in America. Yeah. That never happens. He doesn't get her any of that stuff. And so then COVID hits and he's calling her begging her to come like, at least move back in. He said that he'll get, according to her, he'll give her a floor of that, you know, very big place in Grammar. See Park that he has and he'll live on a different floor or whatever eventually she gives in, you know, 'cause she has a son with the guy too and moves in and she's with him. She describes herself as in a relationship with him again, maybe this is like 2020. So she said it got really bad in 2021 and 2022. She alleges, I want to leave that part open ended, but she just alleges it was really bad. And then he has, I'll say, a not good personality to live with. We'll put it that way. I'll let you guys kind of fill in the blanks. And, you know, she had mentioned when, that she had been to, like some of the years get a little weird like when she's with him, when she's not to be frank with you. Like we just have that one separation agreement in 2018, but like is it on, is it off? I'm a little unclear on all that. So I don't want to like give it concrete. It was definitely from this time to that time. So let me just say between 2015 and 2023 is a very foggy time period for their relationship, but there's times when she's with him, times when she's not. And then there's agreement in the middle that he's gonna help her with immigration and he does not. So she, you know, in '21, '22, he was banging on the women. You know, he would have, she alleges that he would have some ladies at the night over, do with that what you will, that kind of thing. And eventually, in 2023, she leaves altogether. And she moves to Miami. And as far as I can tell from what she said, she takes her son with her there. I don't know what the setup was with Palo seeing her son, you know, on and off during that time period, like as his father, I'm not sure. But some of the part that we're gonna keep off record involves the arrest. And I believe that was May or June, 2025, of her and her now husband. So she, she went down to Miami and she alleges she was dating someone I won't say who it was and Palo sent a couple Russian guys to beat him up, broke a bunch of ribs and she broke up with the guy 'cause she's like, he's gonna kill you. That's what she alleged. And so then she ends up dating this doctor, falls in love with this doctor, marries him. He has a clinic where he does a bunch of cosmetic stuff. And she explains some other things that he does and I was a little unclear on it so I don't wanna go into that and get it wrong. But long story short, they get arrested. It's billed as fraud. We've reported on that on the show. I still don't know what to think of this whole thing. She did say, I'm trying to think. I'm gonna leave some of her claims around that off the record as well. I'm gonna be safe with that 'cause I feel like that can get into some territory of things that she doesn't wanna talk about. But essentially, she was arrested. She believes in this part she did want me to talk about. She believes that Palo was behind it. She had seen emails of Palo email. She alleges emailing the prosecutor in this case pushing for these charges. And by the way, that was another thing. I don't know if this is gonna be a jump cut here or maybe it will be, maybe it won't. I'll have a man to look at this 'cause I don't know if this is, I think this is on record, but I wanna be careful with that. She went in in 2022, 2023, something like that and rated Palo's office. - Yeah. I think we're gonna begin to cut here folks. If you're not, well then enjoy. - Oh, what was the line she said to me? She goes, oh, you think you're crazy? I'll show you what crazy, crazy is. - Yeah, yeah. So she does that and that's where she finds a lot of these emails that are going back and forth and correspond. And so one of the things that she alleges is that Palo was trying to blackmail or strong arm the Brazilian ambassador because she had gone to the Brazilian embassy and complained about abuse and sought to get help because he also wasn't getting her green card and everything. And so he was trying to hold one over her. And so as a part of that, she also, I don't know if it was from that raid or later, but she, maybe it had something to do with something I won't talk about, but she alleges that she saw emails where Palo was conferring with the prosecutor to try to bring about these charges. 'Cause again, she's now married to another doctor. No one else can have her, only Palo can. And so they go and throw a bunch of charges at the doctor and also at her. They throw her in jail. She describes this, I believe is, like when she was still in jail in June 20, 25. And this was one part, like there's a little language barrier here, obviously. Like she, Amanda speaks English well, but not perfectly, I'd say. So there was one part where she had said earlier, like she was out on bail, but then later said, no, I was in jail when ice came to get her. And when I clarified that, whether she says that ice got her from jail while she was trying to make bail, I believe that's how she put it. So that's what I'm going with. It's, it's very, this part gets a little foggy for me, but ice gets her and then she's being held by ice. And what she alleges is that in August of 2025, she reached out through an intermediary to Melania Trump for help. And Melania did not give her any help whatsoever. And so she was like, fuck this. And so in August, in October, she's in front of the judge. And this part, I have not seen reported anywhere. In fact, I don't think our reporting said this at all. At this point again, she's been held by ice and I'm going to get back to where Palo plays a role in that. But at this point, she asked the judge to deport her. And the reason why she feared for her life. There had been reports. Obviously, we hadn't gotten the Epstein files released yet, but there have been reports about long standing reports about Palo and it's ties to Epstein and this whole network and all that. And she said, I fear for my life, just deport me. This is what she told me. I don't know, maybe some of our slurs up there can go get court records of this. I don't even know if that exists that way above my pay grade. But this is what she told me. And she was then sent to Louisiana, maybe like the next day, and deported to Brazil. Palo is alleged and he has been publicly alleged and there's a lot here. I think that supports that to have called in a favor to someone high up at ice because Palo has some fake prestige worldwide job. It's technically not fake, but to you and me, it's fake. With the White House, that makes a special envoy to some bullshit. And so he uses his connection, calls up this guy, can we pull up that Warren letter and type in, find next, Zam Poli, and we'll get to the paragraph where I can read this out. But he leans on this ice guy and says, the mother of my kid is running in the problems and she doesn't have a green card and whatever and you should look at it. And that is what caused ice to look at her case and to take her as I understand it into custody in the first place. So this is from a letter that Senator Elizabeth Warren, also known as Pocahontas in some circles, Joey Deef sent to, who did she send this to? This was to this was to the guy himself, yeah, David Venorella, who is now the acting director of ice. He was not at the time, but he was high up at ice. And she sent this letter, he was acting director. And in the letter, she says, I'm also concerned by other reports of your behavior. You allegedly called ice officials in Miami for a personal or political favor to detain a Brazilian woman, referring to Amanda, before she, before she was able to post bail. That woman was the ex-wife of Palo Zam Poli, a longtime Trump associate and a longtime Trump associate, an ally who was embroiled in a custody battle. If true, these allegations would be an inappropriate and extraordinary abuse of power. They raised profound concerns about your professional judgment and your willingness to weaponize federal immigration enforcement to insist politically connected to assist politically connected allies of the president. Amanda says that because Palo did this, it was a leverage play. And she also spoke, I think it was around the time that she spoke to Melania. She spoke to Palo as well. And Palo, again, this is right in that Tony soprano pattern I'm putting together. What do you think Palo said to her? He said, all right, here's what you're going to do. He started helping her and he said, just blame the whole thing on the doctor and he's going to go to prison. Now, what happens when he goes to prison, well now she don't have a husband. And that was her ticket out accorded. This is what Amanda ledges. Palo was giving her a ticket out saying, yeah, we'll take care of it and you'll be fine. And she said, her exact line was, she said, so I say no, I stay in prison, like no hesitation. That's what it was. And you know what? Stick him by her man. That's on some principles right there because I was at a high risk to her herself if that allegation is true to do that. So then it ends up with her being deported in October. And that was because she was worried that Palo was trying to kill her. So I said, I was going to bring this back on the timeline. After we went through all that and I got some of that cleared up again, some of it. Like I said, it's still fogging in me. And I went back to the Epstein Melania Trump alleged connection here, which is what brought Amanda and Garo into the spotlight in April. So Amanda had started tweeting things publicly, making some claims about, I'm paraphrasing no one where the bodies are buried, went viral on Twitter. She was talking directly to Melania. Then Melania comes out and gives that six minute speech, which we covered here on this show where she goes, I am here to support the victims. They need to be heard in the Senate and Congress. And it's like, okay, where's this energy been for a long time? Strange. Trump. Donald Trump claimed that at the time that he didn't know she was even going to do that. That was kind of interesting. Whether or not that's true or not, it's interesting no matter what. And it would suggest that Melania Trump, it's strongly suggested to me at the time and it continues to suggest to me that Melania Trump was concerned about things Amanda and Garo could say. Now that doesn't mean she's concerned that Amanda and Garo has proof or would come out with some proof that like Melania was introduced to Trump by Epstein. I'm going to get to what Amanda said about that in a minute because she was again, when she's incentivized to say some things, she doesn't. She doesn't. That's interesting. That's a check mark in the, that feels somewhat honest to me box because you never know with these situations and I haven't had a chance to sit down with her in person and whatever. Obviously she's in Brazil. It's like, you don't know what to believe in these circles no matter who it is. But she said, I said, when did you meet Melania Trump? And she said on the plane and I went, what? It's like, no, no, no, no, Trump's plane. I was like, all right, you got to say that. You can't say the plane when you just told me you got to the United States on the low bleeding express almost fucking, I was like, did we get that? What the fuck? Anyway, so it was on Trump's plane because when she was dating Palo, they would hang out with Trump. They would go on his jet. She mentioned dinners at Cipriani, where have we covered that? Joey D, I think we covered some dinners at Cipriani that happened on this show for sure. But you know, she very specifically said that and so she met Melania on the plane. And I said, when you were with Melania on the plane at this time, Amanda's around 18, 19 years old. I said, did you ask her how she met Donald? And she said, no, she goes, but I was at some sort of cocktail reception in that time period with, with Trump and, and Palo and Palo in a way of like, I don't know, trying to brag to her, said to Donald, he goes, Donald, tell, tell Amanda how you met Melania. And allegedly, Trump said, oh, well, it was Palo that introduced us. And Amanda said, I didn't believe that first, but that's what was said to her. And so that's what she reported. And that has been reported in the past that it was Palo's ampoli who introduced Melania to Donald, which would mean, if that's true, it was not Epstein himself, which would at least remove that as a potential scandalous event. It still makes you wonder why Melania came out and suddenly said something like that when Amanda started talking. So what, what other things could be there that Amanda could know? And when I kind of broached that topic with her, she didn't like give me salacious shit or like, oh, I know that this happened again. She was very much like, I don't know. There's another thing that she mentioned that we are going to keep off the record that again, wasn't didn't involve Amanda making a clear claim as it pertains to anything related to Melania and Trump with Epstein at all. So again, interesting. She did wonder like she mentioned when Melania first came to the United States, which was shortly before Amanda did. She was very well to do and put together. And what Amanda meant by that, she's like models that came over here, they weren't, they didn't wear all the highest end stuff and, you know, allegedly living in a nice place and stuff like that. You know, it's not like they looked homeless or anything, they're models to be clear. but like the insinuation was that Melania she went like this. That's what Amanda did. Yeah. Could be innocent, could not. She thought that was interesting. I wanna continue the conversation with Amanda. This was like a good start. I have a lot more questions. I would imagine you guys are gonna comment some questions down below, some open-ended questions you want. Again, as I said a few minutes ago, I haven't had a chance to sit with her face-to-face, and you know, might have to go to Brazil. Yeah. Through the human lie detector thing and all that. It's, there's a lot of weird shit. And there were, there's some stuff I kept off record in there as it pertains to other things that I don't think are related in any way to, certainly the Epstein case, but matters at hand here. But you know, she's had an interesting, very interesting life, and has definitely seen some things that maybe could be helpful to investigations, maybe could not, but I do wanna say, and Amanda's obviously gonna see this before I put it out. So she's hearing me say everything I'm telling you right now, fan of the show, by the way, Joey Deef. Fan of the show, she just said that. I think she's a fan of Joey Deef. I think that's why she watches, and you blame her. But I couldn't blame her. But you know, definitely, Amanda definitely has a bone to pick with Paula, and I understand that. And so you wonder where maybe some bias could come in on that. But again, when she has a chance to put them dead to rights on the stuff that is the soup de jour at the moment that we would all eat up, she does not. And she's incentivized too. So just keep that in mind, but interesting conversation, and I'm sure we'll cover that some more moving forward. But I mentioned at the outset, my very good friend, long time friend, one of my few friends in my industry. Actually, I don't know a ton of people in this industry yet, is Danny Jones. Danny Jones has an amazing show down in Florida. I've been on it a few times with him as well. And he's actually coming up here to be on my show again, sometimes soon, so looking forward to that. But Danny loves touching the fucking boiling coffee until his finger burns a little bit. He loves getting down in the nitty gritty with things, and he does some podcasts sometimes that I'm like, I can't believe you did that one, but he's got serious set of balls on him. And so he had in this guy, you've all a thief. Which actually we've talked about this before, but when we designed the studio, the theme was New York City. So on, do we have camera five on cut this in? - Yeah, you can cut that in as well. But we have on the wall back here, and it's funny 'cause this wall actually faces the Hudson River, so it faces Manhattan, but we have on the wall, the New York City skyline. And that was like thematically what we were trying to do. So over here on the wall, there's these beautiful shots at the end of the movie Munich, made in 2005 by Spielberg, where Eric Banna and Jeffrey Rush's characters are standing on the Brooklyn side looking at the East River in 1970s, New York with New York on the skyline. So we have a double shot of that moment in the film. And I say this because you've all a thief is alleged to be Eric Banna in that movie. So a little bit of a, ooh, whoa, there it is. If you've never seen the movie Munich, it is a great movie. I do have to say, and it is based on true events. I think the opening scene says this is fictionalized or something, it's not. If you look at the history, read the book Rising Go First by Ronan Bergman, and you'll understand that this movie, which is about, what is the operation Midnight Hammer? I think it was called, can you double check that, thief? But this film that they made in '05, it is about the events of Operation Wrath of God. Operation Wrath of God, I'm sorry. Midnight Hammer was the Iran War thing, right? That was definitely, yeah, it was like last summer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was one of the new ones. Operation Wrath of God, yeah, yeah. But it is about the Israel's response to the 1972 terrorist attack at the Olympics where Black September members associated with the Palestinian PLO kidnapped and then killed the Israeli athletes. I want to say it was like nine athletes, nine, I think it was nine athletes that they killed at the time of the hostages. And so those games were in Munich, Germany, and as a result, gold of my ear, who is the Prime Minister at the time allegedly authorized a Mossad assassin kill squad to go find all the organizers from Black September who were responsible for this and kill them regardless of where they were. Allegedly at the time, this is what they report. Mossad had had a policy of not assassinating people in Europe and in ally countries. Not so sure if I believe that, but they did waive that allegedly for this mission. And so back in the 80s, a book comes out called Vengeance. And it's written, I can't remember if you did it under a pen name at the time, but it's an author, you know, a writer who wrote it with Yvonne Veeve, who may have been still under a pen name. George Jones, right, okay, was that the pen name? Or was that? No, that's just, it's just says it's by George Jonas. George Jones, yeah, he's a real guy. So he probably wrote it alongside him. Right. So he writes this book where he describes this mission and what he did over a three year period. The book ends up becoming the movie Munich. There's a lot of controversy about Yvonne Veeve where he's been denied over the years. Mossad was like, he was a janitor, didn't work for us, things like that. I don't think that's the case because the book gets the details of what really happened on these various hits that they did in places like Rome, Paris, Lebanon, it seems to get them very accurately. And he wrote this back in the 80s. And so Yvonne Veeve came when he was done that mission moved to America to New York and actually, and this is shown in the movie Munich, ran into problems where the Israelis were trying to get him back. And they were watching his daughter when she would leave the apartment and stuff and he flipped out about that. And so they obviously, I don't remember what it was, but they came to some sort of, I do remember what it was now, but they came to, it's covered in Danny's podcast. They came to some sort of understanding and then allegedly they stopped bothering him. And then he took a bunch of, he started a private detective company in America and started taking some serious contracts globally, but particularly for working with the United States government, which was part of the vetting process that Steven Spielberg did when he went to make the movie about whether or not Yvonne Veeve was real, he was able to, I believe get access to like government documents that show Yvonne Veeve's affiliation with United States intelligence on like a contract basis and listed as Israeli intelligence in doing that. So, cue the comments on this one, obviously, there's a lot going on there. But Danny Jones does this explosive podcast with Yvonne and I called Danny afterwards. I said, Danny, your second podcast with Yvonne was absolutely amazing. It was early in the morning, so it took him a minute. He's like, I only do one podcast. What are you talking about? I said, no, no, no, you did two podcasts. I said, the first one sucked. He's like, what are you talking about? And I said, Danny, you covered the entire operation wrath of God in like the first 10 minutes. And then, and then had this amazing podcast and all the other stuff. You should have spent three and a half hours on that to get him, I don't know, catch him in a lie, do something. You know, but he's like, I didn't really want to talk about it. So hopefully Danny Jones gets you all back in there and they can really give that one a right and proper podcast on the actual wrath of God mission and all the guys that went to kill. But the rest of the podcast went through a lot of the work that Yvonne has done in his career with. What's the name of that company? You know, as Wikipedia again, in, in, in, in forseq or something. It's the, his, his private investigation into for international. And, you know, I think it's probably a mixed bag. I think there's some places where he talks a big game and doesn't have the receipts. Maybe some other places where he really does have receipts and really did do things. I had looked into this guy actually like years ago. 'Cause I, the moving unit I think is, is a great moving. I was just always curious about that backstory. And I, I do, I do think he was on that team. Open to being wrong about that. But I do think he was, he was on that massage team for sure. And then you look at like some of the work he did. And I already mentioned some affiliated with the United States government in the years after when that mission would have been. It would suggest this is someone who knows his, way around and knows how to do some things. But Danny Jones, of course, broached the topic at hand of Jeffree Epstein, the Epstein files. And you've all was willing to talk about this to some extent. I'm trying to think because I talked with Danny off air, obviously, but this I don't, I don't want to say some of the other stuff. But what you saw on air was you've all dressing some of this. And I want to start with the, could I guess it clip? This is tier one top tier, prime, perfect, perfect fucking hosting from one Danny Jones. Let's let this play. That evidence, you know, we got a bunch of emails and stuff. And there's lots of redactions. They said they're going to only remember to act the victims, but they redacted way more than just the victims. They were redacted like big names of like cheeks and, like, oil executives and off. It's very interesting. The people that they didn't redact and the people that they did redact. If you really like read between the lines and look at it. But that's not the real evidence. The real evidence is on the hard drives because there's survivors. There's girls that were there that testified that he had rooms as big as this room right now that were filled with servers and computers and monitors that were recording all that footage that he had not only on the island, but in New York, this over and everywhere. You know, playing camera, playing was well. Exactly. And then every, where's all that footage? I can't tell you. Really? Yeah. Can I guess? No, please don't. No, no, don't guess. No. So that's what I said the days. Let me ask you this. The day, the day, the day it will come off. It's important. It has to be the right time, the right day. Let me ask you this. I'm sorry to put a legendary massage assassin on the hot seat. But if I was to guess, do you think I would guess right? Probably. That's why we shouldn't talk about it. Okay. All right. That's a, that's a, that's a wild clip, bro. That's a wild clip. No, devil's advocate. We could be sitting here at home going that guy. He's just trying to act like he knows something doesn't. But like the way. And again, I know some context here also off air, which I'm not saying, but like the way that he chained up on that and was like simultaneously friendly about it, but then also Kurt, like, let's move on on this, you know, but then. Oh, God, I don't, I don't know how to talk about that one. That just was wild to me. I want to hear what you guys think of that down below because obviously, and this is a very fair question. Whenever you see any of these spooky people on podcasts, I've talked about it on my own podcasts before with guys like Pustamante. I've been on here, even Kiryaku and stuff like that. You always have to ask the question, why the fuck are they on a podcast? Now, Kiryaku, I've always viewed as different because he's a full blown dissident and they throw him in prison. And some people still speculate, hey, once the eye, always see eye, I genuinely don't think he is at all. John, John's great. It would break my heart if he was because like John is fucking electric and very brave for some of the shit he says, whereas like Andy, another friend of mine, I've always thought Andy Pustamante is still with CIA. In fact, I've said this before, I think Andy, if he took a polygraph and you asked him and let's say he doesn't know how to cheat on a polygraph, okay? If he took a polygraph without knowing how to cheat and you asked him, do you still work for CIA? I think he would be able to say no and pass and you say, well, why is that? Because I think it's a, it's a, it's a semantics question. There was one big tell. I don't know if I've ever said this, but there was one big tell that Andy had to me the first few times I ever had him into record. This is years ago in my parents' house. You know, my podcasts are extremely free-flowing. That's what we do. And when guests come on now, they, they know that and even back then, like a lot of them knew that was my style because I'd discuss it on the phone. And some people, you know, they want more of a plan and I'd just be like, don't worry about it. And they'd be a little nervous about it. Other people, they'd just go with it. To this day, some people still want the plan. We were getting a text earlier from someone who's like, what are we going to talk about? I'm like, I don't know. You're great. Well, fun. And it just always works out. But with Andy, he was cool with it. He was one of the guys like, all right, dude, sounds good. But there was one topic that before episode 97, I remember in my car when I was driving him back from the airport to go record it. And then before episode 107, when he got over to the house, there was one topic that he was obsessed with talking about that he wanted me to ask him about. And I was like, actually, I'm very interested in that. So I did. And that was the movement of the intelligence apparatus from government to the private sector. And what he meant by that is they're especially under Trump term one, but even well before that. There was a big move to where guys would come, cut their teeth in CIA. Be, you know, do all this important work. Be sitting at their desk at Langley on a Friday, except the job with fucking, I'll just insert the name of a company here. Lockheed on a on on Friday afternoon, walk out of CIA, hand in their landured, walk back in Monday morning. And instead of making $89,000 at CIA, they're now making $689,000 at Lockheed. They're handed the same landured and taken to the same desk or one right next to it, fully read in, able to do everything they do. But now they are not listed as an employee of the CIA and therefore of the United States government. They are now listed as a private contractor hired by CIA, which by the way, when you look at every public figure from president on down in the government, all their salaries, as far as I know, I don't know if it's all the way down, but like it, it's in the public domain. Like you can know what people make. Is that, am I saying that correctly? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm, I'm pretty positive on that too. All right. So people would be complaining if they found out like the director of CIA was being paid $9 million. Right. They'd be like, our taxpayer money's paying a guy with their paying the starting fucking small forward on the six years. Like, well, maybe not, maybe not LeBron, but you actually LeBron's making less than that now with the six years. You see, you can take a helicopter to work every day. He is taking a helicopter to work every night. Have we not learned people? Don't do that, Joey D. Just need one title. I need one title for my six years before he goes. Stop doing that. But yes, I don't love LeBron taking a helicopter. Yeah, sorry to get us off. But I forgot. He's my small forward now. I'm very excited about that. But anyway, you know, people would not be happy about that. But when it's reported on the sheet that like X number of hundreds of millions of dollars went to and it lists off a laundry list of stuff, private contracting contracts for defense contracts for whatever. You don't see that why amount of that was used for this $9 million salary for that guy. Where you see what I mean, it's like you get to hide it in the noise. And so Andy wanted to talk about this a lot. And part of the reason was because, you know, he as a good employee of the United States government or a good spokesman for them is very worried about intelligence leaks and things like that. He hasn't like Edward Snowden and shit like that, which obviously he and I have a discreet with plenty on the past. He said a lot of that stuff comes out from the fact that there is such a boomerang relationship with the private sector, where guys now come in and then they get information and they walk out of the office with it. So that being said, when that was a little tangent right there, but when you see all these guys, whether it be a CIA guy, a Assad guy or whatever, I'm thinking the same thing you guys do out there and you're right to think it's like, well, what are they doing here and all that. And you have to think that with you've all to my knowledge, you've all of you to my knowledge, you've all has never done a major podcast before though. Like Danny called me when he got that one is like, you're not going to believe who I got. I'm like, who'd you get? And he said, you've all and I'm like, Eric Banna from Munich. He's like, yeah, that would be interesting. So people, you know, some people were given Danny shit for even talking with him, but I would highly recommend you listen to it because there was some serious alpha, including another spot where I feel like if you've all actually even knows anything about this and I am skeptical on this one. I feel like this is a little bit of coverage right here. Can we play the dead one? Here we go. Do you know he's dead? I'm telling you, he's dead. And you know for an absolute fact that he's absolute fear of he's dead. How do you think he died? Oh, he was killed. He said, I can tell you, he was killed. It was arranged for somebody from the outside to go into the cell and kill him. Why wouldn't they just have that big jacked guerrilla guy who like was a cop killer? No killer. No, no, because he wouldn't do it He's referring to the summit He would do it and they didn't they needed it be done professionally Need to be done professionally The he wouldn't do it he wouldn't do it thing. I'm not that part. I'm not tracking on like he just repeats it for effect and then tries to move on I'm not tracking on that why the guy he's referring to was a cop who like fucking dirty cop and murdered murdered was convicted for it later Murdered like four people executed them and some drug deal gone bad like the guy was a stone cold killer He didn't really have a lot to lose in there at the time like he could have done that for sure I'm I'm taking it not as like he couldn't do it as in like hey guy I can't do the job for you. I was taken in it as like him saying like he wouldn't be the one to do it Like they need one of their like guys whoever they is and it needs to be professional and clean Like that's what I take it as maybe but don't you this is where I played devil's advocate even though Jeffrey Epstein was The most infamous Feral prisoner maybe ever yeah, yeah by the stakes at that time Don't you think it's just cleaner of some psycho that he was next to just fucking kills him? I think that when we say that and have that thought that's we're not at a high enough level Like that's not how they they think they think they know we're gonna think that way So that's not how they're gonna carry it out a little five d chess I mean, I hate to be the guy throwing around five d chess. Well, it's just super high-level shit So like that's what we would say because we think critically and we try to look at these things and they're like, okay Well, we need to go a step above Okay Come on. Let's let it play official assassin to come in Do it and get away and that's it and then the person doesn't is not Doesn't live in America and there's not an American able you know that person is Maybe You don't think it's possible that there was any way to extract him from that prison through like some No, no, no, no, yeah, the story about those channels of those doors sicker doors. No, this is an old building. Oh They kept the notorious He he's deflecting right there because also like To be clear Andy Boostamante On his show that I went out did with him on Discovery Channel Showed that there it there is an extra schematic on the cell that he was in that is not listed on the literal bureau of prisons schematic of the of the actual layout itself That was provably there that was a full-blown vent that he absolutely One of two things could happen you could have switched out his body or You also well you also could have used it as cover to be able to kill him back in the corner And you can't see it from the window which we demonstrated on that show and so for him to like poo poo Oh the tunnels and no no no no no tunnels. It's a literal air vent area and then you don't have to get him out in a tunnel Like it the way Andy described how that mission would go mission off camera to me Was so eerily simple like he was he was like, oh no, you just do this. Yeah, I don't know As if he was and I know with his back story like there are some things he's remembering remembering just some simple ways that they got guys out of Very difficult to get out of places around the world at the agency and it's like Yeah, I don't buy the poo poo and let's keep it going Mafia people that if there was a sick a dog believe me. They would have been whisked out of there by their own people No, no, no, no, no, no, this is all good stories that the media is seeking and somebody is out there selling it Yeah, and the rumors are out there. No, this it's too obvious a man died. So They had he had to die. Let me play the devil's advocate with you real quick If I'm Jeffrey Epstein And I'm going through the shit. I'm going through throughout the 2000s and up to 2019 fighting all this stuff You know against the most powerful people in the world who obviously want me dead I'm going to have some sort of a dead man switch Meaning I'm going to have some sort of Situation set up why I have somebody who's disconnected from me on another on the opposite end of the country who has access to the black male That knows the second you see that I'm dead you release it and you want to let the people know that are threatening you that that's going to happen if they kill you It's a good why would you have that why because that's the that's the biggest questions that I have stupid Epstein Why didn't you create it and the answer my answer to it is he was so sure That he survived the first attempt of his arrest in Miami got a slap on the hand That just it's a question of days that the powers wherever they are Including the White House and some other places that they will make sure that you will they will find a way to release him and to send him out and And give him a probation or whatever or maybe even pardon him on so on There is a rumor a knife stipulate a rumor that he was promised that he will be pardoned by the president by Trump. Yeah, and if that's true. It was good enough for him Because he believed that Trump should pardon him and would pardon him That he doesn't have to do anything just stay there quiet for another few days and in the cell. Okay, people who I love rumours. It's a rumor. I love rumours It's pretty crazy and it is pretty crazy. I don't I don't buy That he's way too sure of a lack of demand switch. Yeah, he was so sure of himself listen Obviously he got Epstein got that sweet heart deal in a way that was total bullshit Where he's you covered it where he went to the office every day and was still doing his whole thing But like that doesn't happen even that doesn't happen to people like him Yeah, no There's no way No way That because he did get careless He got very careless in the build up to 05 when that investigation started He got very very very careless With things and was doing things so out in the open that it was impossible for People with basic common sense in the area including law enforcement to not see it You can't tell me that he didn't batten up the hatches a little bit After after that whole you know fake prison stay and all that there's no fucking way So I don't buy that but you've all of Eve was also directly connected Let me restate that He was At the highest level indirectly connected to Epstein and some of the work that he was contracted to do let's play at third clip right here This was interesting Explain to the audience How you originally met Guilayne Maxwell, okay I I had an office in New York in London. I had offices all over the world for my business for the interfor business We do too, Joey. You're investigating for we're opening up everywhere worldwide at one point. I had a front store An antique store in the middle of London that was my office And the store was a pretext of some stuff that we were involved in And I was like selling antiques, but I was not selling the antiques, right Um, and I had real unbelievable antiques that I got By the way, I wish I sold them The reason I needed the antique stores because when you have an antique store, you have a warehouse a big warehouse You need a warehouse until you bring them to the store, right? And in that warehouse we kept a lot of stuff in concealed A concealed components of the antiques furniture drawers that nobody knew existed and there were stuff in it and so on so on So I'm sitting in my office in a room and I'm thinking about doing some operations Suddenly I look in a young attractive very attractive girl walks into start looking around the antique and I realized She's not really interested in the antique, but she's just walking around pretending she's interested then she approached me and she said Can I talk to you privately please? And I said yes, and I had the brownstone the store was downstairs and my apartment was upstairs apartment and office was upstairs on the second floor, so I go up with her to the second floor And she says Mr. Aviv, I know who you are I know but you're back around Uh, I would like to hire you And I said who are you? She says I'm Max Will okay, plus or I don't like father So Would highly recommend you go watch this whole podcast on on Danny Jones' show, but essentially I wanted kind of lay the espionage groundwork of that one right there with what he said. That's that's kind of wild. But Galen Maxwell approached Yuval Aviv after her father Robert Maxwell had died and to review for people out there who are unfamiliar with this Robert Maxwell was a major league media hauncho around the world. But out of Britain, who was a well-known spy for KGB MI6 and most notably Masad. He was a guy who worked in a lot of different places. He was buried five days after his death on the amount of olives in Israel, which is reserved for the highest heads of state and the highest rabbis. So do with that what you will. I think it's pretty clear like who he mainly worked for. And so his death obviously continues to be a giant mystery. He he went and took his yacht out into those I think the Canary Islands off the coast of West Africa, got up in the middle of the night, maybe to take a piss or something on the back of the boat and drowned. And they say like he committed unaliving himself. I don't believe that. And he left behind covered this many times, but he left behind a 400 roughly 450 million dollar quote unquote pension scam at the day. It was the daily mirror, I believe. But just double check that and was destitute, which makes no sense. Makes absolutely no sense that he would do that. This was this was a guy with many businesses and you know, part of the reason I say it makes no sense is because his sons who ran the business with him were later tried in Britain. Wealthy sions later tried for this enormous fraud were all these people lost their money and they were found not guilty, which should tell you a lot, you know, those are the kinds of cases that are usually slam dunked because people want, you know, they want their their weight and blood from rich people stealing from them and stuff like that. But Galen Maxwell never believed her father unalived himself. And I actually agree with Galen Maxwell in that. And so you've all of Eve says that she that he was hired to investigate who killed her father. Obviously he wasn't quite able to I guess determine that to the point that someone could go to court for it. But in doing so, and this is what he describes in that clip, Galen Maxwell specifically told him to not investigate according to you, of all of Eve, Robert Maxwell's connection to Jeffrey Epstein, which is just wild. Robert Maxwell is widely reported to have literally introduced his daughter, Akhil and to Jeffrey. Robert Maxwell is a guy that was, you know, again, I told you, he was around the world, but he was shaking hands with people in powerful places all over New York when he was alive, especially in the 1980s. And, you know, this is a guy who is constantly forgotten about, but is a key center of the story. So I find it fascinating that Galen would go to a guy who was reported to be this legendary massage assassin and hire him to figure out who killed her father. When she then picked up the mantle from her father in a way and continued to run in my estimation, an intelligence-related, multi-intelligence-related blackmail operation, which Jeffrey Epstein, after her father's death, essentially doing the same kinds of things. I mean, that in the broad sense of the word that her own father did, while looking to investigate the people who killed her father, who were probably among the people she worked for, and in hiring someone to look into this connection was someone who also worked for them at one point and continued to work on a contractual basis for people involved with American intelligence and the American government, me, of course, referring to Yvav Yvav here. Very, very interesting connotations. Again, I think you have to take some of what Yvav Yvav says with the grain of salt. I feel like there's some things that he probably talks a big game, and you do have to wonder just as Danny Jones wonders, like, why is he going on Danny Jones? You know, like, why is he agreeing to do that? But it's very fascinating. The things he said, the things he alleges as it pertains to Epstein, and it just continues to show potentially how wide the reach was with this guy. Like, that's what I worry about, if it's like there's so much noise, you can't possibly keep track of it, whether it's arms dealing, sex trafficking, fucking, working with foreign diplomats, working on bio-weapons, working on whatever it may be. There's so many layers to it that you can just kind of miss the house for the trees, you know? Yeah, and then just crush them Instagram Reels, Order GrubHub. Try and just forget it all ever. Just forget it all ever happened. Nothing's real. Nothing's real. Nothing ever happens. It's absolutely what you see is not what you see. But I don't know, to be continued on that, we need to get to the economic stuff today. We're going to do that next week. Yeah. Because that's some good shit. We're living through strange times people, but that is why yours truly and Joey Dief are here to bring you the analysis as best we can. So thank you as always for rocking with us. 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