My Adventures with Superman S3 ep 4-6

[music] Welcome back to Biff, a podcast about superhero TV shows, movies, comic books, and cyborg killing machines with too many feelings. My name is John Moltz and I am joined by my good friend, Guy English. How are you doing, Guy? I've been slamming. Thanks for asking. Man, does that kid overuse that? Oh, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they decided that that's the thing. That was the thing. Future kids say slamming. And I say, "Yeah, okay, we got it." Slamming. When the world is falling apart like that, the kids still have time to come up with catch raises. I guess. I guess so. I guess so. I guess so. We are here to talk about the episodes four, five, and six of my adventures with Superman. Should we just get into it? Let's no time to waste. Yeah, when there's time travel to foot. That's right. First episode of "Dad always said." First episode of "Dad always said." First episode of "Dad always said." They didn't advise dating advice all the time. And Clark arrives. And he's going to treat her by taking her to pound cake palace. That's a kind of, is it, do you think it's meant to be a double entendre? I think it is. I don't know. I do not know. I mean, I can't imagine that it's actually, I think it's just like sort of like supposed to be weird, right? Like, I kept thinking, like at the beginning, before they got there, I kept thinking they must be, like I wasn't, you know, wasn't hearing it right. And I was thinking, it had to be pancake palace. But now it's pound cake. It's pound cake. That's where you can get all different kinds of pound cake. Yeah, it is fun. I do love how it just like, because of the anime style, just sort of shoving a giant piece of pound cake in a mouth just totally works. Right. Right. It doesn't have to make sense. Yeah. So while we're there, funny thing happens. Their son shows up. Yes, Jonathan Kent is here from the future. And he seemingly just wants to spend time with his parents. At the restaurant, Jimmy also shows up. He's been on another date and he's full of quills. Then Cara shows up asking for more dating advice from Lois and she's starting to lose it. Then they go to, I think it's Star Labs, right? To get Jimmy dequelled and sort of trying to figure out. I like that he's just saying, "Ouch, have it done. They take one out." Yeah. So he's not invested in it like he's getting hurt, but he's more focused on Cara. He's resigned. Yeah, yeah. This just happens to me all the time. Yeah. Lois is not ready to be a mom and is constantly trying to find excuses to try and get away from Jonathan. And they, so they decided to take him to the mall to experience, I guess, the mall. This feels very, like Midwestern American or Canadian. Like, where you go to the mall to have fun. Yeah. It seems like a pretty, it's a bit of a throwback thing. Yeah, because yeah, that doesn't exist anymore, I don't think. But when I was kids, I guess we would go to the mall. How old are these people? Beyond. I know it doesn't matter. They're talking about having Clark and the character. Yeah, I think like 20 years. I think we talked about this last time. I feel like they're in the early 20s. Yeah. Because I feel like by the time you're 30, it's like, okay, you may still not want kids in one and a half. Yeah. It's more curious about it as opposed to actively trying to avoid it. Yeah. It's not like, you know, something you just want to reject that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And at Luther's headquarters, Hank Hensha is pretending to play nice in order to get out of captivity. And then downtown suddenly some subterranean Sora show up and start attacking. This headquarters, Hensha starts to go rogue. He says he wants his life back. Luther says that Superman is actually to blame for everything. Of course. John me anew. That's what I say. Every time I'd like, you know, spill some water or something. Yeah. Yeah. Freakin' Superman. Yeah. John is, you know, after some fight, fight, fight, fight. John is able to talk to the subterranean sores and get them to back. You know, get them to agree to be friends. Yeah. Do you know if these guys are from the comic? I assume so. I did not bother to look them up, but I think they must be. I kind of like the sort of mashup between like, Mollman, like the Molloy's and the Savage The Savage The Savage The Savage The Savage The Savage The Savage. It seems like a very doctor who kind of thing too. Yeah. Yeah. I think the story in, I mean, the Salirian. The Salirian, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They then go to back to Smolville, hang on the farm for a while. John and Lois finally sort of connect and meanwhile back in Metropolis, there's bad news. Hensha is running wild and he is calling out Superman. So that's no good. I had a bad, this was, this is, there's a weird journey that goes on through these two episodes for me, but like this, this started out super fun, I would say. I think actually a lot of it's really fun, even the part with the, the, the, the dinosaurs attacking is, it's kind of fun. It's just, it's just a good, I think it's a good humor episode. I think I, I give up exactly what I laughed out loud about while they were at the restaurant, but there were definitely several times I laughed out loud about the restaurant while they were at the restaurant. There was a bunch of really good stuff. Yeah, it was fun work. Like I, so I sat down to watch these last night and like you, I was just like, this is really fun. I'm like really glad that I'm watching a show that's not going to really deal with any heavier issues right now. This is a fun, lovely goofballs have like goofy dating issues and like, you know, they're kids, comes by and that's going to throw them into cod, you know, cod grass about what they want from life and it's kind of fun because they're going to be eating pound cake. And then these silly, silly dinosaurs, you know, that's great, you know? And I'd like that they set it up at the beginning that Superboy Jonathan is, he's like, no, these guys are cool. I'll just go talk to them. And so it's set up at the beginning that like, these are not, it's not a big threat. These are not, you know, they're not going to take over the world or anything that I would to destroy everybody so much as like we're angry at you for a specific thing. Right. And I like the resolution of it that he gets to be sort of the, you know, he's the reason, yeah, why the armistice was was made, you know, 20, 20 years before his future. Yeah. You know, and you know, seeing humanoid dinosaurs is always fun. Sure. Yeah. I like the guys with the big trails. That was fun. And it's the cut is also funny. Like, you know, he, he's talking to the eye and then the dinosaur six to hand out and it's in his hand is then shaken by the mayor's hand. I assume it's the mayor because she's got it like a sash on as mayor's always do the only reason to wear a sash. Yeah. I like a little bit of a most doctrine. Well, I mean, yeah, all things, most doctrine. But yeah, when he goes to save the kid and he saves the kid at the mall. Yeah. He's told like don't, uh, what is it like? Because he's yelling at them to get out of the way and like Superman's like, just you got to make them feel calm and safe. So that's right. That's right. This gets away with the roller skates. Very fun stuff. Yeah. Really, really liked it. Yeah. And his character is fun too. I think like even though he's a little bit over the top and could come off like super annoying, I think they manage to, um, to do it in a way that's deaf enough that he's not super annoying. I mean, when they go to start laughs, he's like, he's off screen and he's saying, what's this? Can I touch this? I'm touching it. Smash. Yeah. Yeah. He reminds me of, I think they did something similar in young jessies. I think like a future flash kid comes back. Okay. And he also has word of, you know, well, that's why they come back, right? Yeah. Just that's the most important thing. Not peace with the dinosaurians. It's just like I need to see this word so that I can save in the future. Yeah. And then yeah, you're not wrong about a journey because, uh, the next episode, yeah, it gets kind of dark in the next one. Anyway, the one more thing like from this one was his word. Your Jimmy, of course, has another bad date, you know, where some sort of powers thing happens and he says, I guess I have a type. I do like the burning gag of that. I like that it's basically, you know, we'll discuss it in a couple of episodes, but I like that it's basically he's hoisted on his own stupid petarge. Right. He thought he wasn't good enough for her, so she went and kind of did a guess what she thought he wanted her to do. Right. And it's like, he's just an idiot, Jimmy. Exactly. He's a total idiot. And again, gets away with it. A, the anime, style and whatever, young 20s and I'm not. I would be so frustrated with the storyline if it was any other show, maybe, you know, but it's working for me. I enjoy it. Yeah. Um, okay. Uh, I would say this is a biff. Yes. Yeah. Slamin' biff. Yeah. And a very fun one too. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think the next one may be a slaven bit, but more like a face slamming bit. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh-huh. So this one, I was a little bit nervous about the title. Yeah. Because the title is the death of Superman. Not my favorite one of the comic book, for sure. Um, so was not really looking forward to going through this sort of sex, night or type. Yeah. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen, but something else does happen. So John then tells everyone that the real reason that he's coming. back in time is, you know, because of Hank Henshaw and that Lex actually sent him. They go to Metropolis and there's a big big fight fight fight. I'm not going to go into all the details of the fight fight fight, but Henshaw is all amped up and our heroes have a really hard time trying to stop him. He's got like combo crypt tonight. Superman back in place. Yeah and he sort of takes over those robots somehow and I don't even, didn't even quite catch exactly how he does that. He's got those robots and he can replace parts of his body with, you know, the robot parts. Doesn't matter. He's in that for the threat to take the food. Yeah. Right. When Lois goes to Lexus headquarters and basically punches him into submission to get his help, Hank infects Superman with crypt tonight as they're fighting. And John then has this moment with Kara. Kara is kind of trying to figure out why he's sort of avoiding her and then he reveals that she's the one who raised him because Clark and Lois died. John also reveals that he has an anti-cryptomite armor and he's about to run off to try and fight Hank by himself. But Kara stops him and they sort of split up the armor between the two of them. The armor doesn't really last very long. Hank is beating on Superman. They try to attack him, but he manages to quickly destroy the armor and he grabs John and he's about to like crush his head when Clark starts to go all electric and it pushes sort of pushes the crypt tonight out of his heart, I guess. Is that why we're looking at it? I think it's his heart. Yeah, because then he goes, they go and pull his ankle, pulls John's heart out. So I think there's sort of a some sort of metaphor there. Yeah. I couldn't tell it was this hard. It looked like, because we've seen a lot of Robo stuff. And I think there's a plot like this in Superman and Lois or was it Lois and was in Superman, the CW. Yeah, the more recent CW one. And anyway. The blue electricity thing feels like next level unlock of. Yeah, it's always been like that was a thing that they added way later, right? Yeah. But anyway, has a bad effect on his heart when he does it and he. Well, he starts, he loses his powers basically. And Cha is about to blow himself up when they reveal that John his half human and he realizes that he is not the future that they are and he shuts down. Then John's time travel device starts running out of juice. So he has to go back to the future. Mark tells Lois that his powers are gone and then we cut to the future and the world is run by Lex and his Lex bots. We've captured Jonathan. Yeah, can't win. Yeah, right. Can't win for this. That sucks. Yeah, right. All of that work. Yeah, they go all the way that fast and yeah, and I guess it all turns out he's trying to get back to the past again. Fix it again. Just keep trying until you get it right. So what, yeah, what do you think about it? So it's like I was going to say it's like it's weird that you have all these weird, it's a weird show in a way because you have all these wacky scenes that are very funny and that really make me laugh. And then there's this cyborg who's so distraught about what's happened to him that he's going to kill Superman's son in front of him. I mean, some of it's really dark, honestly. And that switch is kind of, I mean, I think they handle it well. Like it's not jarring exactly, but when I pull back and think about it, the, the, the, I mean, it is, I think it's very anime, right? I think that is, it seems like an anime sensibility that you can have those kind of dark scenes in a show like that and also be really silly. Yeah. I agree. Like you, when I saw the death of Superman, I'm like, I really don't want, I mean, I didn't think it was going to be Doomstays because of the setup and like, you have to come out to know where I'm like, I don't know about this. Like I don't, you know, I kind of watched this show for the fun and goofiness of the kids get up kind of kids, but when I was like, you know, I'm getting along and like, yeah, having, having fun and being goofy and, you know, Jimmy getting quill stuck in them, I didn't really feel like seeing poor Clark this, particularly this Clark get the tarbeat none of them until he's dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I was like a lot of fight, fight, fight and that probably could have been trimmed down a bit. Like I don't, I'm not sure that all that back and forth. It was, it was interesting, but it's, it's a lot of like, just punching and I think it was like, maybe if we more familiar with anime, it feels like one of those anime things. Yeah. Right. Exhaust all of your fancy powers and then, you know, you got to dig deep and find a way to, yeah. But also that's a little bit like, I mean, the, the, the armor thing was really kind of silly because it really amounted to nothing. Yeah. And then the resolution is basically, you know, berry running faster. Yes. I was going exactly what I was going to do is like, you know, instead of going berry running, it's like, I don't know, Clark. Yeah. Do blues your heart. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a metaphor. I mean, yeah. Sure. So he's got a good heart. He's got a bad heart. Yes. Yeah. It gets crushed. And one's blue on the other ones. You know, red. Yeah. So the thing that I guess I'd like to better about this. And so for a death of Superman, I think this was very well done and I, I liked it. Yeah. Now, I think this works better than Doomsday because Doomsday was basically the Hulk, like an unstoppable machine and every time you try to hurt him, it's just going to get worse and he's going to come back and eventually kill you. That's it. And it's, you know, raw power versus Superman who we've been, you know, we understand to be the most powerful that there is, right? Yeah. So, okay. There's not really a lot of meat on those bone story wise and sure enough, there's not just Doomsday just beats the crap out of him until he dies. Yeah. This, however, there was a philosophical difference, right? There was a guy who is very deeply racist, right? You know, take the aliens out of it and we have something not too dissimilar from what could be an X-Men plot or what could be, you know, commentary on immigration around the world these days or at any time in history. Yeah. Be honest, you know. That I think worked better for me in that it really was a conflict of outlooks on life. We're on the world on how we should be to each other, mm-hmm, rather than just like who's more powerful and who punches harder. So that aspect I liked, I was not entirely clear when he shut down, did he shut down because he saw the kids with a future and he was in conflict. I was in conflict with clear on that either. Right. I think the way I took it is like he just decided that he was, there was no way he was going to win. Like, even blowing. He was not going to win and like the world had moved past his viewpoint. So he recognized that he was, I mean, in some level, I think he recognized that he was the one who was, he had lost. Yes. And there was no point in making this grand gesture. For the general average. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I kind of wish that to be a communicated one because that's what I wanted to read from it. Yeah. Right. And I think that would have been a bond. The ultimate, it was the ultimate resolution, right? Because he could have killed them all by blowing himself up. But supposedly, I mean, I guess I don't know what would happen. But it also wasn't clear if he turned that like because the dial just goes, you know, it's going around the dial or it got around to 12 o'clock and it just stopped doing it. I think I think it's. I think it's. I'm sure he's just. I mean, that's kind of what I read. Yeah. But like I almost would have liked him to have to push a button. Like I wanted. Yeah. I wanted to know there wasn't just the batteries, man. But if you before, don't read it that way then it's just, then it's just happened in the stands. It's like there's no agency whatsoever. And I think this gives, I mean, like particularly after he's been so mustache twirling for a few episodes, I think this is actually a good resolution for his character because it. I agree. Yeah. I just want it. Maybe I'm a dummy or maybe because of the way that the way the show communicates and tells its stories. I expected maybe a little bit more. Explosiveness in that. And maybe it's, you know, maybe there's a subtlety to the show that I didn't appreciate. But I did. I liked it. I thought that, you know, when confronted with the fact that Clark, Deilian had, you know, sort of integrated into humanity and humanity. Except for them. Cool with it. Yeah. He realized that his philosophy was flawed and ultimately, you know, I guess stopped pursuing his goals. Yeah. I mean, you know, he effectively let him. Like because he could have, he could have chosen in that moment to cause a lot more. He didn't. So, you know, get on him, I guess. Yeah. I, I don't, I didn't watch the last season. So I'm not familiar enough with his character to know. I can't, well, I did watch the last season. And I really can't remember what happened. Yeah. But I guess he has an astronaut to be hate alien. Yeah, there was like an astronaut. And I think, well, I think he was an astronaut. I think he was up in space and like, think maybe he was like, this was his big moment. And then this other thing happens with with all these, you know, with all these Kryptonians. And he's out shown. And I think he also somehow gets hurt, right? Because, yeah, clearly. Yeah. That's how he ends up in Lexus. Care. Yeah. Well, care is, yeah. Yeah, right. Whatever. Right. Being used by Lex. The thing that-- Wait, continue. Go ahead. Well, the thing that I didn't love is just, is that is what we've talked about is like the, the Runberry Run type thing with Clark's heart. I mean, I know they wanted to get to the place where Clark was as his powers and they had to show that somehow. But that was the part that I-- it's typical superhero stuff, but it's sort of unsatisfying. I agree. I kind of liked that the death of Superman in this show was not actually Superman as dead. Yeah. Well, super-- Yeah, I mean, you could read it-- Superman technically as dead. Exactly as we see in the next episode, he can't show up anywhere else Superman. Yeah. Like they did what they said on the tin. Yeah. Superman is dead. Yeah. Now we get-- Clark is dead. Clark is dead. He's just didn't expect it that way. Right. Which was good. He was like, the whole fight actually had stakes for me. I'm like, man, Clark-- Yeah. Well, you know, he could die. I mean, of course, they're going to be in-- Yeah, of course, I can. You know, this could-- Because the show is called by adventures with Superman. It's not called by adventures with Clark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, it's a bit for me. You know, maybe not the-- I mean, it's a pretty strong bit, though. I mean, I still really enjoyed the episode. I feel like I have a little bit of quibble here in there. I think the fight is big. And it's kind of cool. But it also, like, as some of it has let us sound inferior, I'm not into nothing. And then that-- The thing that Clark does just seems typical. It's comic bookie stuff that doesn't really-- I don't have anything new to offer, I guess. Oh, yeah. I agree. But Henshaw's resolution, I thought, did have something new to offer. And that was really good. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a bit for me. Probably a strong bit, if I factor in the-- is this what they were trying to do? Yeah. I think it was. And they did it. They had a giant fight, fight, fight, which pays off, I think, what a lot of people want to see. You know? Yeah. That was some real super fighting. There was a lot of super-ing going on. So that was cool. I kind of like that he dispatches them to go save planes and they dispatch themselves to go take care of the city while he takes on the bad guy. Generally pretty good. I think the issue of run, very run is true. But I think it's also kind of a trope of the anime stuff where you level up. You find your next level, your next Pokemon evolution whenever-- I don't know anything about this stuff. It's like, it feels of the vein of this as much as throwing a pound cake in your face. That's true. Sure. Yeah. So it's a strong bit for me. And I have in particular, I do like they tackled a well, an overdone story of somebody kill Superman. And they did it, I think, with an interesting kind of take on it. And setting us up for another episode, which I think is-- plays well with that in the-- Mm-hmm. We keep saying you can't beat Superman. But Superman without his powers and all of that self-doubt coming on him and learning how to be himself again without his powers is, I think, a cool story. We see a bit and that didn't like, you know, the donner or it was a donner, whatever. Superman too, back in the '80s. Yeah. You know, Iron Man 3 has a bit of that too. Like if Tony says the same thing to Peter, if you want to say, if you-- if you nothing without the suit, then you don't deserve the suit right? Right. Now, what does it mean to be a hero? And I think that's an interesting thing to examine with a character like Superman, who is the ultimate hero. Yeah. Which is the same thing, you know, and Captain America, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Steve is already a good soul before he gets shoosed up. And yeah, that's what's important. Yeah. So yeah, I liked it a lot. I grew with your caveats, but I think for what it wanted to do, it did it really well. So yeah, it's a debit. Moving along, episode six is called Party Animals. And that is awesome, pretty accurate. The gang is going to an event where awards will be handed out. Jimmy's date for the event is Princess Maru, which causes some friction with Kara, who is there to receive an award on behalf of herself in Superman. For some reason, the little kids are all there. And Clark decides that he's going to take charge of them because he wants to be useful. Lois gets into a competition with Vicki Vail over who can get the biggest scoop of the night. And lo and behold, sinister armed men enter the building with canisters. Clark has run off to find the kids as Lois starts to unravel the plot. And Kara receives her award, kind of wondering where all her friends are. The princess turns out to be Dr. Poison. Her men start releasing who I think hates humans, right? Like, and once she rid the world of the human race. And so her whole thing is turning people into animals. Hermen-- Although she's kind of got a crush on Jimmy. She's got a crush on Jimmy, which is a good thing. Her men start releasing a gas, which turns everyone into animals. Clark does his best to try and protect the kids, but he gets shot. And they-- there's some shenanigans get chased into through the vents of the building by an alligator guy. And Lois manages to stop him by destroying the vent. But she also falls. Fortunately, she turns into a cat, a talking cat, and jumps back up. Jimmy turns into a turtle, and then tricks Dr. Poison, and manages to get her mask off so that she also turns into an animal. And the bad guys are sort of foiled in this. They try to escape. They are caught by Bizarro. Who has been sort of watching the whole thing through the window. And Jimmy then accidentally reveals his feelings about Cara, who is upset with him because he has not been honest with her. And then suddenly, the gang all falls through portals to somewhere. Yeah. I mean, I guess we probably know where they're going, but we'll see. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's always the final set up. We're like, now we're onto the next adventure, but whatever. I thought this was fun. I thought it was a pretty nice palette cleanser. Right. I think it, you know, we still see-- It's a good thing that we, you know, that we were doing them in the sort of, right? Yes. We didn't end on the previous episode. Yeah, because I would have been in a very different mood. But this one sort of like, OK, it's paying off. Like everybody can still go and have fun. Right. You know, Jimmy gets turned into a turtle. Everybody's in good spirits. Like, I really like that. Lewis is still just totally smitten with Clark. And she's like, you are Superman. You are my Superman. I don't care if you can fly your blast stuff with your eyeballs. But like, you know, I like that a lot. I kind of like his-- I mean, he's Superman, right? He multi-dog from just the heck out of it. Like he runs that guy with a gun. And like, I do think-- I kind of like that bit of like, oh, no, my powers. But he's already committed to it. And he works out kind of thing. You're still taking one shot and not-- Yeah. Yeah. Well, big guy or not. Yeah. We're the guy with the gun. The other way from guns. But yeah, I'm glad that you didn't end in hospital. Because part of me was like, oh, man, I think it-- because they played with the Darkness last episode, was kind of worried that they were going to play with it again this episode. Because it goes to an ad break or the screen goes black. Yeah. Because when he gets blasted with it, it's all that gun flash in front of him. And he's in front of it. And you're like, oh, this is not good. Well, and you see his glasses fall, right? And there's blood on them, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So not good. But broadly, a pretty fun rock for a thing that I thought could be-- Yeah. And I just love the ridiculousness of the villain who is there who is at this event simply to turn-- well, two things, first of all. She's there simply to turn all the attendees into animals. And then also is foiled because, like everyone, she's so smitten with Jimmy that she can't keep away from him. [LAUGHTER] I mean, it's like a ridiculousness of the-- People's attractions being their downfall in this show. Kind of like it's charming and it's on my-- It is charming, yeah. Yeah. Because it's never Luciferous or anything. Yeah. It's just like-- With the anime style, it's almost as if there are little hearts that are coming out of the ass and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. It's really fun. So yeah, I mean, this one again is strong. I liked that they-- This show manages to play with some pretty heavy-- not topics, but stuff for the characters to deal with. But it does it in a way that's very human and sort of-- Yeah, it's over the top, but it's still realist. I mean, so is it realist? It's not exactly realist, but it gets at things that are real. Exactly. Yeah. Like it's a rendering of emotional reality as much as it's rendering of like actual reality. Like this, they're abstract, but they're good. And it works. You know, I feel for Clark. I'm like that. I get it. I get why he's bummed out. I get why Lewis is doing her thing. I don't really get Jimmy, but I did particularly like the confrontation between Cara and Jimmy at the end. I was like, why didn't you just tell me the thing? Right. Like you kind of let me down like you weren't a great friend. Yeah. So I appreciate that too. And again, having Cara kind of the least, I don't want to say the least human. But the one who has like the most alien sort of yeah, she's the fish out of the big fish out of order. There you go. Yeah. Having her be the one that has to basically explain what we've been yelling at Arielle or the season before the years, decades that were decade at this point is like, just talk to me. It will be better. It's like, yeah, that's great. That's a wonderful takeaway from this whole right series of shenanigans that they've been setting up kind of thing. And I'm kind of glad that we're going to stop playing with that because I, you know, I can't spend a whole season of Jimmy going on dumb dates like you know, we've done enough of that. And now they're getting sucked into I'm assuming the future in future portals. Yeah. So just going to be have to wrap that bit up. Yeah. Get to the next one. I read the caption for the next episode, which is out already. Okay. And so it, you know, it could easily go dark. It doesn't seem like it's going to be super dark. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah. I mean, it's a real, it's a world ruled by Lex Luthor. Right. So it's campy. Yeah. That fun. Although I guess maybe that's a little bit more fun than the one ruled by cyborg super man. Right. Right. Yeah. Um, the, uh, one of the lines that I thought was really funny. They spent a bunch of time, you know, developing that guy, the bad guy, because he keeps calling back him saying, this is vulture. And then he turns into an alligator. And what was this name? It's just a dumb joke that's what it works really well. Yeah. Can expect the unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. It is good. Yeah. So a biff for me as well. Yeah. Strong. Strong biff. Yeah. Three, three strong biff with, you know, a little, I think the middle one only because it's more difficult to enjoy. Yeah. But like nothing is bad. So yeah, I, uh, like I said, the last time we covered this show, I, um, continue to be surprised at how much I like it. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And I think this time I managed to sit down and actually really watch the episode. So I, and I think, yeah, I think I had more fun. I mean, I can't, that's like, sometimes it's hard to find time because I, I have to go back and watch them again, at least quickly in order to do the recaps. So finding time to watch, even though these are short, these, you know, three shows in a week, the twice is sometimes not as easy as it is. Exactly. Um, it's, it was nice to be able to actually pay attention to them this time. Yeah. Very, very strong show. Yeah. I don't, you know, I don't want to tip my hand, but sometimes we watch shows that I don't enjoy. We don't, we don't do it on purpose, but every now and then we're like, okay, I guess we won't have any names. No. Well, I mean, I struggled with Stargirl. I got to tell you. Yeah, yeah, we both did. Yeah, I know Dan really liked it. It wasn't a bad show. It just wasn't for me. Yeah. There was clever stuff about it, but whatever. Like when I sat down to watch that, I'm like, okay, I got that seemed a little more like work. Yeah. This, I like the first time I sat down to watch, you know, season three. I was like, okay, it's only half an hour. It's fine. I can knock this out. It'll be goofy. It'll be at the end of the day. And I'm not, it's, it, I don't want to watch it, but I will thoroughly enjoyed it. That was a Halloween. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty fun. And I continue to be happily surprised. So, you know, this show, I know we strongly recommended the first season and I'm feeling pretty confident about this one too. I really recommend people check it out if they don't want. I don't know. You know, if Batman screaming at people and threatening to drop them off a building is in the vibe that you want all of the time. This is an alternative and really fun sweet show that you can watch and just enjoy. Yeah. And I would watch it with the movie for sure. Yeah. Right. That's the other thing it's good. I think it's got good message. And the little kids, you know, some of the stuff might be a little bit too dark, but, you know, yeah, yeah, she's 11. We just watched Jurassic Park with her and she was like, don't scare the dinosaur or anything. Yeah. I was gonna, I was gonna mention that Jonathan Kent is played by Darren Chris. So I didn't really, I've just looked him up because I thought his voice sounded familiar, but I don't really know that I've heard him and anything, but he was in Glee. And then also like he's played Superman in a lot of animated stuff. Oh, cool. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, that's a good tip of that. Yeah. Oh, he was in the flesh. Oh, he was in the flesh as music, myster. I don't remember. I remember that episode. It was like really season four or something. Yeah, because it's a weird one, right? He's got like musical notes flying around him. Maybe that's the pipe, pipe, maybe I'm thinking of pipe, pipe, who is a classic flash feeling. Yeah. Oh, no. Is this, oh, wait, is this the one where they go to the other universe where the musical happens? Oh, maybe. I don't know. I'm gonna make stuff between like I think it is. Okay. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I like that episode. Yeah. Long time ago. Yeah. And anyway, Superman is one more. So they go. That's right. Yeah. I'm gonna make a connection, built in. Exactly. Well, shall we go do some superhero sweep? Yeah, let's head on over to the, do we hate on over any way? Sure. We can get up here. The curling wink to do the sweeping. I'm not opening the door though. To the corner. So yeah, we got a few things, right? First of all, the bad news, we'll start with the bad news and then go to some other news that hopefully will be good. Wonder man, after having been, you know, after them saying that it was renewed for a second season, canceled after season one. Yeah. Which is really really too bad, although at the same time, I feel like the story, the story wrapped up nicely. And maybe they didn't think they had anything else to say or, or maybe they didn't have the contracts or who knows who knows what it was. I'm happy that we got what we got because it was so good. And if they didn't think they could do it again, I guess maybe don't do it. But it's disappointing. And it's like one of the best things that they've done in recent years and it just feels sad that they're, they're not going to be like, you know, here's the, here's the one thing that everybody universally seems to really like and like, nope, canceled. Yeah. I totally agree. It is probably my favorite show that put out in years. Yeah. I mean, I really like Loki. I really like Juan Division and yeah, Juan Division was years ago though. But yeah, there was a long time ago. Yeah, Loki was pretty recent, I guess, or at least the last season. But Matt, it was a terrific show. It was really, really well done. It was smart. It was clever. The performances were different. And it was different. It was different. It was different, right? So, yeah, it is disappointing, especially when they said that we're going to renew it. Right. I am curious to know what happened behind the scenes. Maybe to contract stuff. Fine. If it's, if the creative team can't come up with an idea that they are happy with, fine. I think that's why it's not to do something just because you feel obliged to. If it's like, oh, yeah, we wanted to tell a story about superhero fatigue in movies and however they sucks now. And then Marvel was like, no, we're not doing that. Then I would be upset. You know, but like I texted you guys to like the, with the end game stuff coming in, they're going to reset the whole world. Maybe they're just, you know, they don't want to commit anymore to what they've got until they can kind of wrap up this mess, not their mess. But you know, the crap of the current state of things and then really maybe reconsider what they can do with things. So yeah, I typically don't really care about what happens behind closed doors is whatever if it doesn't appear on the screen, it doesn't exist basically. But I'm curious about this one because it was a terrific show with just an amazing performances and kind of the thing that I wish that done more of. Yeah. You know, it's not quite. I mean, you know, they still could. You know, I mean, like they said, I mean, I hope it doesn't mean, I can't imagine it didn't do well. I mean, I just feel like the word of mouth was so positive about it. It was, you know, it's not a superhero that most people know. I would know. Which gives it the freedom to be something else. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe it didn't, maybe, you know, but we were, you know, I watched it twice. Yeah. Me too. And once by myself and then once with Karen and so it was, you know, and she, you know, she, and she watched it and really enjoyed it. And she is not like the Marvel thing in quite some time. So I mean, like you just want to bring people in. That was a great way to bring people in. So I don't know, whatever. Yeah. And Lex liked it. Which, yeah, not that Lex is the demographic the Marvel is going for per se, but like it speaks to it being a show that's more broadly enjoyed by a broader audience. So that's sad. Anyway, yeah. Um, um, onto some. unexpected news, I guess. Ryan Gosling is joining the MCU as Ghost Rider. Only in theaters, 2028, directed by Sean Levy. That's good. I like Sean Levy. I don't know. I can't remember what else he's done. Why don't you look that up? I like it. I'm thinking. I know I know the name. I know I like the name, but I'm blanking on it out. Partially because I could see it. I mean, it's seeing his face. I'm like, oh, I know that guy from something. I don't know what. Yeah. Oh, deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, and he's strained. Which thing is unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt. Free guy. I like that movie. Oh, I like food. Yeah. Night at the museum. That's interesting. Yeah. That's an interesting vibe. Yeah. He works with the comedy. comedy action seems to be his kind of, I mean, right, which is a weird painting, but a broad thing. Right. Weird thing too. Although, I guess stranger things, that's a little bit horror. More like, I don't know what do you want, let's kind of horror. So that might fit well with Ghost Rider. Yeah. And, man, I don't know why I've been seeing it or thinking about it recently, but I really like drive with Brian Gosling, and Nicholas Renf. I have not seen it yet, but it just put that on my list. It's good. It's, well, I mean, it's so visually stunning. It has Christina Hendrix in it too. Oh, God. Apocalypse. Slash Podameron. Oh, yeah. Oscar Isaac is in it. Oh, Moon Knight. Yeah. You're thinking of Moon Knight. Yeah. I'm thinking of Moon Knight. Yeah. Speaking of shows, it kind of worked and then stopped working. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's a very, very visually interesting movie. I remember a year ago, when Disney bought Star Wars, I did a show with Matt Drantz and Lisa Melton and René Vichy. And I forget who else. And we were talking about what directives we would like to see in two Star Wars. And I picked Renf because I just have visually stunning drive was. And now, you know, Gosling's in a Star Wars movie. And he's now in, he's now here. I feel like Disney maybe they really like the Starfighter movie he's going to be in and they're like, okay, I guess. I'll show you in. He's just good to work with or something. He ain't over all the way. Yeah. Exactly. But I mean, it must have been trying to get him for years. Man, what was I feel like Feige recently said, I'm going to blank. You know what our readers probably know what I'm going to say. He said, they kept trying to get a, God, a famous actor into the, into the fold and like, you just kept following through your kind of thing. Anyway, that's a fun story. There you go. That's one for me to edit out. Yeah, this thing happened maybe and I don't know any details about it. Isn't that cool? That's what people tune in for. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe that's hard. Stupid. Yeah. That's our wheelhouse. But I don't, I mean, I like Ryan Gosling a lot, but like, I don't know if you can hold a candle to Nick Cage. Like, how do you? I think you could write a better movie. You could definitely write a better movie for sure. But like, you know, also a Ryan Gosling bless him does seem terrifying and drive. Like he said, you know, pretty scary guy. And in a lot of other movies, but like, I don't know if he's got the camp chops to do. Yeah. I don't know either. Maybe he does. I know he lobbied for it. I mean, the guy in the agents of shield wasn't particularly camp. I guess so. Yeah. He's probably a little bit more of the style that they will go for. Yeah. Yeah. He's another good guy too. Yeah. He's great. I can't think of his name, but yeah. Yeah. Well, that's man. He's what people do. Not knowing the names. People hate. People hate. People hate when Dan is on the show because it's just damn. I don't know Dan knows. I mean, I could tell you the background character's name in this game. Gabriel Luna. Gabriel Luna. There we go. Because I always get a mixed up with Andrew again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Diego Luna. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm excited. The funny thing that I told Dan and Dan had not known at all was that even Mendes, who was in the first ghost writer, yeah, is married to Ryan Gosling. So that's that's fun. She just can't escape the the spirit of the writer I suppose. Yeah. So that's gonna be fun. Yeah. Again, I think both the UNI agreed. Goswitor not my bag. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a huge ghost writer fan, but I have nothing against the character either. Yeah. So it would be much like fantastic for it would be nice to see a good ghost writer movie. Yeah. Although, I will say that they did a great job with Goswitor in the agents of shield. So they do feel like the story has been done well already once. Yeah. Unlike fantasy. The agency shield really succeeded in where a lot of subsequent things just failed. Yeah. Yeah. I wish they would give it more credit, but whatever. Whatever. And then in other news, yeah. So Black Panther 3, they set a release date and made some cast announcements. The release date will be December 15th, 2028. And they have, I guess, because so this will be after, let's see, will it be after, it'll be after Doomsday, for sure. Obviously, but it would be after Secret War, I guess so, because we are going to get a new to Challa, the son of Tachella, will be David Johnson, who is a British actor, I believe, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it's done some really good stuff that I looked up earlier, but I haven't seen, but people, like I haven't seen Alien Romulus. So it's not a great movie. His performance is terrific. Yeah. That's what he's really, really good. Yeah. Yeah. So that sounds great. He looks, you know, looks the part great. Man, I saw a photo of him and Lippie didn't young go and Chattano Kamosman. And it was like, is this, like, he looks like he could easily be there actually, be there, yeah, biological son. Yeah. A little curious, because I guess, I mean, what happens to, you know, oh gosh, I can't even remember her name now, the princess. Sure. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Man, I'm going to have to edit this to tie this up. So yeah, what happens to, sure. I assume she goes back to being the science nerd. I mean, I think that was a better role for her. I think so too, but I mean, she's the queen now, isn't she? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, she'll be super, she'll basically move into the, the role played by, I'd see now I'm going to do it. Angela Bassett. Yes. Thank you. Angela Bassett, I remember icons of, you know, culture, but yeah. Yeah, Angela Bassett. Yeah. I mean, she's, because she'll be the, you know, the mother, not the mother, but the sort of the, you know, it should be the aunt of the, well, yeah, and the major, I could say, right country, basically. But also, um, Baku is the king. Oh, right. So it's all, it's all kind of mixed up. I mean, we'll see, we'll see what happens. Yeah. I mean, it's Ryan Kugler. I'm going to trust him to get it right. Although, you know, the last one, yeah, the last one, hard, I mean, you know, they obviously had problems from the get-go. Yeah, they tried to squeeze in, you know, iron heart bless her. Yeah. Which they should have done. But I'm sure he was told he had to do it. Yeah. And also, you know, you lost Chadwick Boseman, who is an irreplaceable human being, not to mention, you know, an asset to any art that you want to include a man kind of thing. So that's, that's a struggle. But yeah, maybe this one will be like, okay, we've got some time to rethink it. We can retool it. I am kind of curious to see what they do with this character, because it's going to have to be a pretty big timeline lead, right? Well, yeah, I mean, so if it's after Secret Wars, it's everything, it's going to be after a reset. So, you know, everything gets, everything gets fudge. They can do whatever they want. Right. So anything I said, it just kind of doesn't matter, because they can do whatever they want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I guess, Denzel Washington, I did, we talk about this before, because Kooler has said that he wrote a role for him previously. So I guess he's also going to be in the movie. Yeah. I mean, which is cool. Yeah. I wonder if there's a writer working in Hollywood that hasn't tried to write a role of it. Well, you know, I mean, I think he would show up for Kool Glitter. Oh, yes. Yeah. And to appear on a black Panther movie. Oh, yeah, very much so. Like, I'm kind of surprised he wasn't there from the get go. But, you know, not that they needed any more star power. Like, man, what a cast. So, yeah, I'm really, really looking forward to this one. Yeah, I hope it's, you know, we'll return to the first. Yeah. I mean, I had some trepidation about the exactly. I had some trepidation about the second one, because I'm like, what are they going to do? And I think maybe they shed that feeling and they, you know, the weight of not wanting to screw it up for Chad Wigg and like, they'll that the pressure to get another one out. And you know, I think there's additional pressure on Black Panther, because I think it's so meaningful to, you know, the Black community, and certainly the African American community, that like, you kind of want to get it right. Yeah. In a way that I think people don't necessarily want Ant-Man 3 to be right. You know, the stakes aren't the same. There was also, I mean, we don't really need to go into it too much, but there is a, they released a trailer for lanterns, another trailer for lanterns that I don't think he talked about last time. So, yeah, that is out there if you want to go find it. I'm intrigued by this show. So I will me too. I'm looking forward to it. I hope it's good. Yeah, it looks pretty good to me, but we'll see. Let's save it to get into it in depth. Next time when Dan is here, because Dan and I both really enjoyed like an animated, yeah, you guys are much more lanterns. I'm not really lanterny, but I watched that show. I think I got it off its placks, which is why I watched it. And I was like, it was actually pretty good. Like, it's not Batman the animated series, great, which, you know, I think the Batman one really defined what cartoons could be in a very specific way. But it's in that vein and it's good. And I think, I think this showed the lanterns show is making some choices and intriguing. And I'll talk to Dan in detail about it. Yeah. And you can sip you coffee or tea at the time. That's good. I'll just take a break. Perfect. Go for a walk. I think that's all the news we have for this week. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to thank our dear readers for reading the transcripts, accepting our faxes and, you know, go become a member. I don't know how to do it. Dan does. I assume there's a way to. If you go to theencomberluck.com, you could probably find out. So go do that. Check it out. And lots of good shows. And this is also a good show. So despite us not being able to remember names half the time. We are the worst pitch man ever. It's horrible. Both John and I are so desperately wanting to live in a Star Trek universe where you don't actually have to pitch anything. You can just be like, I've made art. Enjoyed or not. Everything's going to be fine. I did a show which is Lex this week. And as I said afterwards in the discord for the rebound, I'm constantly amazed that we can actually pull off shows at all without Dan. I think just, you know, showing up and actually doing the show is pretty good. Yeah. I agree. I would like to thank my co-host on that note. Whatever his name is. Can't remember names man. Yeah, we need a guy English. Always pleasure. Thank you, Jack. And we will see you next time. [Music]