MURDERED: Brittany McGlone

Hi, Grime Junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And the story I have for you today takes place in small-town Winsboro, Texas, where everybody knows everybody, or at least they think they do. You know who's trouble. You know who's got a temper. Who to tell your teen daughter to stay away from. So when a 19-year-old's found dead in her boyfriend's bed, it doesn't feel random. You can practically hear the gossip at the gas pump, in the church parking lot, echoing through the checkout line. There are men with motive, men with violent pasts, men the town already talks about. But here is the thing I'm hung up on. Only a handful of them even knew where she would be that day. And when the circle is that small, someone inside it knows exactly what happened. This is the story of Brittany McGlone. It's mid-afternoon on May 4th, 2007, when mom Patricia gets a call from her daughter's boyfriend, Jeff Stogner. And that alone is kind of strange, because Patricia's not exactly Jeff's biggest fan, so they've never been, like, on casual calling terms. But she answers anyway to a concerned Jeff asking, have you heard from Brittany? And Patricia's like, what do you mean, have I heard from her? She's supposed to be staying with you. But he's saying that he left early that morning to pick up his grandma a couple of hours away, and every time he tried to reach Brittany, she hadn't been picking up her cell. Whatever is happening feels wrong to Patricia. So they hang up, and she tries Brittany's cell over and over, but she's not answering for mom either. So she ends up calling Jeff back, and as she does, it sounds like he's pulling up to his house, and he gives her the last moment of relief. She may ever have. Because he says, never mind. Her truck is still outside the house. She must just be sleeping really hard. And this is at what time? This is, like, 3.30 in the afternoon. Oh. But Brittany just had worked an overnight shift at the Lowe's Distribution Center. So, like, normally, when she gets off sometime before, like, 5 a.m., she would, like, go home, shower, sleep, maybe see Jeff later. Got it. But this day was different. So instead of going home first, she went straight to Jeff so that they could hang out a little bit before he had to go pick up his grandma. Yeah. So it seems like it would be normal for her to, like, sleep in. Yeah, she worked overnight. I guess why is he calling her mom so soon then? Well, so, yes, normal for her to sleep in because she could have used the extra sleep, but she rarely got it. So in addition to her overnight job, she also had one at this place called Alco, which is a discount store. And she was doing both jobs because she planned to save up money for nursing school. So, again, could have used the sleep, but it was pretty unlike her to be asleep like that all day. Which it seems is maybe what made Jeff concerned enough to call her mom to begin with. And it turns out he had every right to be concerned. Because when Jeff walks into his bedroom, Brittany is still in his bed where he says he left her, but she is not sleeping. Brittany is completely naked and there is blood everywhere. On the sheets, on the pillow, cast off on the wall behind the bed. Like the kind of pattern you would see when someone is. But the thing is, whatever she had been beaten with, something that they later determined to possibly be like a tire iron or a crowbar type thing, that isn't around anywhere. In fact, nothing other than Brittany seems out of place. Her jeans and boots are still right there on the floor where she left them when she changed out of her work clothes earlier that morning. Now, interestingly, Jeff says that she was wearing a T-shirt and underwear when she hopped into bed with him. The shirt? Not. Not on her, but still there. But the underwear she had on, that's gone. And here's the thing that really stands out to Wood County Sheriff's deputies once they arrive. In the bathroom, there are signs that the killer took a shower. Oh, that's kind of like someone who was comfortable there. My thoughts exactly. Everything so far points to this being close and personal. Someone who could keep composed enough to clean themselves. While Brittany lay bludgeoned to death in that bed. In that bed, in her boyfriend's bed, the one night she broke her routine and went there instead of home. And that part is really important. Like you said, this wasn't routine for Brittany. I told you she would normally go to her house first. And apparently, Jeff's mom didn't like her very much either. Brittany wasn't close with the family. She and Jeff had only been dating like six months and they'd been on and off in that time. So to Brittany's. Mom, Patricia, it sort of felt like too much of a coincidence. Like, OK, the one time that Brittany does this, this happens. So who all knew that she was going to be there? Well, I mean, it sounds like Jeff and his family would have been some of the only few people privy to her plan to crash there. But here's the thing. This wasn't Jeff's own personal pad. I mean, he's 21 at the time, still living at home with mom, stepdad and younger brother and sister. And this is a. Small one story home. Now, that morning, brother went to school. Sister had stayed over with her boyfriend, so she's not there. And I guess she just went straight to school from his place. And stepdad drops mom off at work. But he's back at like 745 or so. And then he, Jeff and Brittany are all there until stepdad and Jeff leave together to go to grandma's at around 9 a.m. So when they arrive back home that afternoon and Jeff makes this horrific discovery, supposedly stepdad is just right around the corner. They're close enough to hear him yell. But here's where something caught my attention. Wood County 9-1-1. What's the problem right now? What's exactly? His girlfriend's dead in the bed. She's dead? Yes. Okay. It looks like somebody came in there and hit her in the head with something. That sure doesn't sound like Jeff or his stepdad. Yeah, because it's Jeff's mom. Isn't she supposed to be at work? She was. But somehow around the same time. Jeff and stepdad are finding Brittany. Jeff's mom is either already back home and just like didn't like notice Brittany. Maybe she didn't go in the room or she just so happens to show up like at the same time they did to call 9-1-1. And if that's the case, the timing is kind of wild because I don't think she normally got off work early enough to be there at 330. But apparently on this day, she wanted to leave early because she needed to clean the house before grandma got back. Again, they're going to pick up. Grandma, grandma's coming over for a visit. And I don't know. This could be absolutely nothing. There's just nothing in the reports that explains when mom got there, how she ended up getting home because she would have needed a ride. Right. Because stepdad dropped her off. They only had one car. I know our reporter Madison wanted to ask all of these questions, but Jeff's mom and stepdad have both since passed away since 2007. In old police reports, though, stepdad does vouch for Jeff. They work together. The whole ride to and from grandma's. So if Jeff did something that really only leaves the short time they were like home alone when his mom was getting dropped off at work. Right. Well, not even that, because his stepdad vouches for him there, too. He says that he saw Brittany for himself sleeping, but definitely still alive and well before they leave at nine o'clock, like after he comes back from dropping mom off. And apparently they have to actually like pass through Jeff's bedroom on the way out the door. But are we are we buying stepdad story like he could be covering for Jeff? Say something happened. Jeff comes in for help. They make up this whole road trip thing to throw off suspicion. That would explain more of why Jeff started calling her mom like they're trying to establish this alibi. But it sounds this is the thing. It sounds like the road trip was planned all along. Like it's the whole reason why Brittany was even sleeping there to begin with, because they knew that he was going to have to go get grandma. So they wanted to hang out a bit. But before that. So if you're going to theorize that the road trip was a stage alibi, that has like far reaching implications. It would be much bigger than that. Right. So before we get carried away with kind of, I think, far fetched theories. First things first. Detectives need to verify Jeff and his stepdad's shared story. Was this trip to get grandma even real? Now, the story was that they stopped at a convenience store along the way, picked up grandma, and then they made their way back home. So investigators check that route. They pull surveillance footage from their stop and the time stamps line up. Everything checks out, according to detectives. That feels like too simple. Well, it's just one piece. I mean, this rules out the possibility that they were lying about the trip. But there's still a possibility that something happened to Brittany before they left. And how is Jeff reacting to all of this? Like when the deputy show up and during the trip? During all of the aftermath. Devastated. I mean, distraught. I guess how you would expect. They still took him down to the sheriff's office and went in on him because according to Brittany's family, there's real motive there. You see, we've talked to a lot of families of the murder. And usually when a cop shows up at their door telling them that their loved one is dead, most of the time their first thought is like some sort of accident, right? Like because that is just so much more likely. Right, like a car crash or something. Right, but that was not Patricia's first thought. She told Madison that the deputies who showed up would only tell her that her daughter was deceased at first. They would not tell her how or when, like zero details. But she was sure that her daughter had been murdered. And her immediate suspicion was her boyfriend, Jeff. So what's the history there? It's not deep, but Patricia told us that Jeff was just like on a completely different path than Brittany. Not as responsible, no stable job. And like the way she described it, she thought he was kind of dark, like emo vibes, but not in like the cute boy band kind of way. So she actually discouraged Brittany from dating him. But even more than that, I mean, it's the timing of it all. You see, Brittany and Jeff had just gotten back together. According to Brittany's mom, Jeff was Brittany's first love, her first of a lot of things. But they had been broken up the month before. And during that time, Brittany ended up with Jeff. Brittany ended up sleeping with another guy. Brittany actually told Jeff about it. So it's not like he found out from some other place. But people had wondered if maybe, like, that could have been the thing behind this. Though when detectives asked Jeff about this, he tells them absolutely not. They were broken up when this happened. It was like fair game. Brittany did nothing wrong. Was there any abuse in their relationship? No. No abuse that her family ever knew of. So then what? The thinking is that he had sex with her, like, one more time and then made sure no one else could? Well, definitely not that, actually. Because Jeff told police that they didn't sleep together when she came over that morning. Which, like, I'm sure investigators probably find a little hard to believe. Or maybe they, like, believe that they didn't have sex right away when she came over. But they do think that this crime is sexually motivated. I mean, Brittany is naked. Her underwear is missing. They're probably pretty confident that they're going to be able to sleep together. They're probably going to be able to tie someone, Jeff or otherwise, to this crime through forensics. And honestly, him saying that they didn't have sex is great for detectives. Because if they do find DNA, like, he has taken away any excuse for his to be there, right? But, Britt, they get the shock of their lives when an autopsy is done, lab tests are run, and there is no semen found. The sheriff told us, according to the medical examiner, Brittany actually was not sexually assaulted. After all. So, maybe Jeff's telling the truth. Well, they wanted to put that to the test, literally, and polygraph both Jeff and his stepdad. They couldn't do it right away, though, because, Winsboro, this is out in the country, kind of, so they're going to have to bring in a polygrapher from another city. That's going to take a minute. So, in the meantime, they do what they can to go down other paths. Like, checking out this guy that Brittany has supposedly slept with, right? This, like, in a month ago or whatever. Now, the guy cooperates. He sits down with them and says the same thing as everyone else. Their hookup was just this, like, one-time thing. They'd been drinking, no hard feelings, like, it didn't become more. And that's it. They cross him off the list. I mean, let's go back to the fact that hardly anyone knew that she would be over at that house. Like, who are those people again? That's, like, Jeff, his family, like, I guess her mom, but, like, who else? Well, that was one of the questions they first asked Jeff. And Jeff brings up this guy named Cody. He admits that Cody is his weed guy. And he says that morning before he left, he'd put cash under this garden gnome outside their house. This was, like, their little system. Leave the money there. Cody would swing by later, drop off the weed. Except, he says, this day was different. Because by the time Jeff got back that afternoon, the money was gone. But there was no marijuana. So, detectives go and track this Cody guy down. And his story complicates things. Yes, he admits that he sold weed to Jeff. But he says he didn't. That day. He says that Jeff was, like, blowing up his phone, texting him. Like, did you drop it off yet, dude? Like, did you go by the house? And Cody admits he, like, got annoyed. So, he just texted back yes. But he says he didn't actually go over to the house. So, either Jeff's telling the truth and he left the money. Cody went there and took it, putting him at the scene, which means he's lying about being there. Or Jeff could be lying when he says the money got picked up because he's trying to place someone else there. Or? Option C. Whoever else in this small circle of people who knew Brittany was there alone maybe also knew about this garden gnome arrangement. Now, within about a week after Brittany's murder, her family and friends gather for her funeral. And if you've ever been to a small town funeral, you know how they feel. The whole place shows up. People you haven't seen in years. People you barely know. People whispering about who may have done it. And probably people you don't even want to be there. Uh-huh. And although detectives seem to be moving farther and farther from Jeff the more they dissect his alibi, Brittany's family makes it clear. Jeff and his family are not welcome. Emotions are high. Nobody knows what happened yet. All the trust is thin for good reason. But them showing up anyway isn't actually the only drama that sticks with Brittany. Brittany's sister, Hope, at the funeral. Because there, somebody else shows up. Someone she actually might be more concerned about in this moment. And that is their grandfather, James McGlone. Now, this isn't their grandfather by blood. It's their dad's adopted father. And Hope told us that at one point, he walks up next to her, like, puts his arm around her, and says, Have you gone to see the body yet? And she froze. Because this wasn't just a grieving grandpa asking an awkward question. See, no matter how many people are there at the funeral, she knows something that no one else does yet. A secret that Brittany had been keeping that was big enough to be motive for murder. Brittany had confided in her sister, Hope, before she died, that their grandfather had been sexually abusing her. This went on from the time she was young up until fairly recently. And it was devastating for Hope to hear. But at the time, she didn't push Brittany for more details. And trying to be a loyal younger sister, Hope hadn't told anyone right away. She wanted to leave that up to Brittany to do when she was ready. But now that Brittany's not there to speak for herself, now that Grandpa is over here talking about the body like it doesn't belong to someone she loves, Hope felt compelled to come forward, thinking that there might be a chance that he had something to do with what happened to Brittany. And she was right to do so. Because other family members were able to fill in more of the blanks. And it comes out that Brittany had told her aunts about how Grandpa would make her feel uncomfortable. Like he would show up at her work and stuff. And it seemed to be getting worse once she started dating Jeff. Like he was triggered by her having her first real boyfriend. That or, like, now that she was getting older, now that she has a boyfriend, maybe he was worried that Brittany was going to start telling people what he'd been doing. I mean, and we know now she already was. I mean, if he'd been showing up at her work and stuff, do we think he may have been following her too? So here's the wild part. James McGlone actually lives in the same community as Jeff. Like right across the lake. So maybe he didn't know Brittany was going to spend the night that night. But he could have easily seen that her truck was there. And seen that everyone else had left. When this revelation makes it to investigators, they find out that even Jeff knew about the grandfather's abuse. Apparently Brittany had confided in him too. So Grandpa's biggest fear is becoming a reality. Yeah. Now, the question is, did he know that or not? Or did he think that she still held his secret and getting rid of her might make it go away? I mean, you want to talk. This is motive. So they check Grandpa out. And pretty quickly, they come to one conclusion. He couldn't have killed Brittany. I guess time cards show that from 7 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. on the day she was murdered, he was at work. Now, James ended up dying in 2009. But detectives feel pretty confident that he didn't commit this crime. Murder against Brittany. But the whole ordeal comes. are probably shocked and a lot stumped. I mean, I know polygraphs aren't perfect, but these combined with other verification that they've been able to do of people's alibis, it really is looking like none of these people were involved. So detectives go back. What had they missed? Who had they missed? And it turns out there was just one more person, someone easy to gloss over because his role in Brittany's life seemed so insignificant, almost non-existent. But he was the only other person that, for a fact, knew Brittany was in the home alone that day. Someone who was close enough to the family to know that there might be money under the garden gnome. And his name is Chad Carr. I mentioned that Jeff had two younger siblings, a brother and a sister. Well, his sister, Velva, is dating Chad and included in the original timeline that Jeff gave deputies of the day that Brittany was murdered. He mentions, that around 8.30 in the morning or so, as him and his stepdad are fixing up their car to leave, Chad stopped by to pick something up for Velva. And the interaction they have is, like, pretty brief. Like, he didn't even go into the house. They actually told him not to because Brittany was there sleeping. So he gets what he needs from them and leaves. Oh, why is he also at school at 8.30 in the morning? Oh, because Chad is a grown-ass man. He isn't in school anymore. He's 25 years old at the time, dating Jeff's high school sister. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Absolutely not. To make it even worse, people we spoke to told us that it wasn't just her age. She also may have been mentally vulnerable, too. So Chad wasn't there when they left the house. And like I said, he has almost no connection to Brittany other than the fact that they're, like, dating siblings. They don't even really hang out and there's no beef between them. Like, there were people with far more motive. But now they're realizing that maybe he's the only person who checks. A lot of, most of, all of the boxes. I mean, did he have a key to the house? He didn't. And, like, there was no forced entry. But he would have known that the family didn't usually lock their doors out there in the country where they live. So now that they're looking at Chad in a new light, they're going back through every page of the file that they have. Did we, like, miss anything else? Like, does he show up anywhere else? And they do find this one report that stands out. It's from a deputy who was there on scene right after they had found Brittany. And sometime after school, Velva and Chad show back up at the house. And Chad is acting straight up weird. He is shaking. He's visibly nervous. He's all fidgety. He's so nervous that Velva actually tells him to chill out. That the deputy's a nice guy. And maybe they chalk it up to the stress of the situation. Like, this is a situation most people don't find themselves in. So they didn't do anything with it at the time. But now, now they want to have another conversation. A conversation with this Chad guy. He's reluctant to comply at first. But when he does, he gives detectives a play-by-play of his entire day. Like, he's extremely detailed about every stop that he made. Almost like he's trying to establish an alibi before anyone even asks him for one. And here's what Chad lays out. He says that after he stopped by the family's house that morning, he drove to Alco, where his aunt works. And she asked him to pick up. breakfast for her at Sonic. But instead of going straight there, he says that he went home first to change clothes for what law enforcement later remember as being, like, some weather-related reason. Like, maybe it was, like, too hot or something. Then he goes to Sonic. Then he goes back to Alco to drop off the food. And then after that, he says he arrives 15 minutes early to his 10 o'clock eye appointment. And then he left the doctors at around 11.40 or so. From there, he picks up Velva from school at 11.55. They go to the bank. They go to lunch. And then after lunch, Chad and Velva go back to the eye doctors at 1.30. Why do they go back? I don't know. It's probably. It's not in the report. So we say, I'm assuming to, like, pick up a prescription or glasses or something. Whatever. But after the eye doctor, they go to the insurance office. And then a flower shop. Then another store. Back to Alco. That's a lot of stops. I know. And then finally, that is when Chad and Velva end up at the crime scene shortly after law enforcement. So let's call that somewhere between, like, 3.30 and 4-ish. Okay. And when investigators start trying to verify. his timeline, it does check out. Sort of. So Chad did go to his eye doctor appointment that was scheduled for 10 a.m. However, he's saying he got there early. But according to two staff members, Chad actually showed up late at 10.20. And they remember this clearly because he even called to give them a heads up that he was going to be late. Said that he was having car trouble or something. Which, like, weird. I don't think he mentioned any car trouble to detectives. But, like. But, like, maybe he was just, like, using an excuse at the doctor's office, like, to, like, make up for the. Like, you know, just to get out of it, you know? Sure. But then why was he really late if he didn't have car trouble? Great question. And remember how Chad said that he went home and changed his clothes that morning? Yeah. Because it was, like, too hot or whatever. Weather-related. Well, sure. Maybe that was the reason. But we pulled the weather reports, and it was fairly mild for Texas that May morning. High 60s, low 70s. So detectives told us. They told us that they found that excuse for why he might have been in different clothes when people saw him. And when he showed up on surveillance footage, weak. And they know Brittany wasn't just killed, right? She was beaten to death in a small room. Chances are that her killer was covered in her blood. Like, you can't be walking around like that. And don't forget, one of the earliest flags to detectives was that the shower in the house appeared to have been used. Great. And as they keep digging into Chad's story. They realize that even though he is accounted for for a lot of the day, either by people or with surveillance video, there is this small window of time where he wasn't. From around 9.21, when he shows up on surveillance footage, leaving the Alco store, until about 10.20, when the doctor's office says that he finally shows up for his appointment. So he would have had to do all that driving, commit the murder, and clean himself up in, like, an hour? Yeah, but all the stops. I mean, again, it's just, like, the stops he made in that little window. They're, like, in a super close radius. Like, from the Alco to the crime scene, it's, like, six minutes. Oh. So they give Chad the same treatment that they do everyone else. Bring in the polygrapher. And finally, they get their first big, fat fail. Obviously, this doesn't mean everything. But along with the other circumstantial evidence, it is something. They just. They just need something more. Because I think the thing that was partially haunting everyone was why. Because when they talked to Brittany's family, they say they didn't know this guy from Adam. This was the first time they were ever even hearing the name Chad Carr. And according to Brittany's mom and sister, he and Brittany seemed to just be, like, ships passing in the night. Like, orbiting each other from time to time, maybe, sure. But, like, simply acquaintances. He was just Jeff's sister's boyfriend. And this isn't just coming from them. No one they talked to could connect Chad to Brittany in any meaningful way. And even in all our reporting, the only thing we were able to dig up is that Brittany had mentioned Chad before to an aunt. Not even by name, just calling him Velva's boyfriend. But she said that he gave her the creeps. And listen, when you talk about motive, like, we know nothing from the house was stolen. So it's not like he went to the house to try and take things while she was sleeping and then she surprised him. Someone went to that room. Someone went to that room to kill her. That was the goal here. I mean, to me, there has to be some kind of sexual component, though. Like, with her being naked and her underwear missing. I agree. It's just that no one can point to anything that Chad ever said or did that would be a precursor to this. At least, not to Brittany. But when they did look into Chad's past, there was something hard to ignore. You see, years earlier, in 2001, a woman reported to deputies, that Chad assaulted her by hitting her in the head with a jackhandle. Which I don't know if you're familiar with that. Yeah, it's like a tire iron. Yeah, the kind of weapon that Brittany was possibly killed with. The weapon that they've never been able to find. And listen, once you hear the details of this other attack, it's hard not to draw some chilling parallels. According to the report we have, a couple of days before Christmas in 2001, in the same small town of Winsboro, Texas, a woman we're going to call Debbie was working the second shift at her parents' video store in town when Chad Carr drops by with his wife. Wife? Yeah, he'd been married before. He's obviously divorced by the time he was dating Velva, by the time that Brittany was murdered. But apparently, he had gotten married pretty young, like when he was 18. Now, Debbie knew Chad. He was good friends with her soon-to-be ex-husband. So they get to talking, and she mentions, how her parents have a bunch of people in town staying at their place for the holidays. Space for her and her daughter was getting tight. So she was actually going to spend the night in, the report just says, the trailer. So I don't know if this was like her old place with her husband, or if her family owned it, or what. But her and her daughter were going to go there so that they didn't have to sleep on the couch. So, there's nothing to this. Chad and his wife leave. Debbie gets off work at 10, picks up her daughter and her pup from her mom, and then goes to the trailer at around 11. Now, Debbie says she puts her daughter down in bed, And then she stays up watching movies and she was kind of like dozing in and out so finally at like 5 30 in the morning she went to the bedroom to sleep next to her daughter but shortly after laying down her dog starts barking that's not normal so she kind of like sits there still for a second and then she hears leaves crunching like footsteps and then knocks on her front door so debbie gets up and as she is making her short walk to the front door she could see who was standing outside it's chad car he's like looking through the glass and she could tell that he spotted her so she goes to the door and opens it and asked chad the obvious question why are you here at this hour and he says oh i was just in the area picking up a co-worker okay but her spidey senses go off like she knows this co-worker that he mentioned like he gave her a specific name and that person doesn't live around here so she says the name kind of skeptically like you're picking a bad guy him yeah and that's when chad like backtracks oh like no not that guy it was actually one of that guy's friends like it doesn't matter he's not home anyways but that's neither here nor there he says i stopped by because i saw someone outside your trailer and as i pulled up this small car sped away now this obviously worries her so she's like okay can you just like stay here on the front porch keep an eye out i'm gonna like get my daughter together get our stuff we're gonna go back to my parents house so she goes to the bedroom to get her things and when she comes back to the living room she sees chad standing there very much not on the front porch like she asked but still she doesn't seem concerned because chad's there to help right so she told him again like listen i'm just gonna get my things together and she goes to like move past him and she kneels down on the floor for something and then chad asks her this chilling question are you sure there's no one else here like of course she's sure like what do and then came the blow to her head this didn't knock debbie out but it stunned her so she like jumps up and yelled you just hit me in the head and when she flicked on the light she saw chad with a red jack handle that had a rubber grip and chad seemed stunned too he was saying oh my god i'm going to jail please don't tell anybody what and i don't know if she meant it at the time or if she was just in shock or survival mode but she told him that she wouldn't she just needed to get her daughter but when she went to the room and like bent down to pick up her daughter she felt blood dripping down her neck and so she like reaches back with both hands touches the spot where she'd been hit and when she looks at her hands they are covered in blood and when chad saw it he just began apologizing there wasn't time for apologies though she told him she needed to get to a hospital now he needed to drive her and he did she had to get three staple in her head to close the wound now i don't know what exactly she told staff at the hospital or if chad went in with her but i think that she was still trying to make sense of what had happened so before going to police she actually went to chad's wife first and she's told by her that when chad got home that day he was acting really off upset and when she asked what was wrong at first he would say that he had just done something wrong and he would say that he had done something really bad but she like kept pressing him i'm not gonna let my husband be like i did something really bad and be like okay cool yeah like what what was really bad and he finally told her though what his exact words were to his wife i don't know i just know that the day after christmas debbie finally worked up the courage to report what had happened to police but when they go to chad he says this was all a big misunderstanding and he has like this whole story and he's like so he says that on some previous date he had met some guy at a gas station where he normally eats breakfast and that guy wanted to talk to chad's boss about a job so chad was gonna pick this guy up the morning of the 22nd and take him to his work but this guy who by the way he can't even name he couldn't find his house so he took this rural road that went by debbie's house like back to wherever he was going because it was a faster way now he says that he's going to be able to see him and he says that he's going to be able to talk to him and he says that he's going to be able a small car parked in front of her place so he went to see if she was all right and is he stopping at like every house with a parked car because like right okay there's a car there she's there we know that but he's like so i got to the door see if she's all right and she's like oh you scared me because i heard somebody walking so he says that she was scared she was going to follow him back into town so he waits in the living room while she went and gathered her things but then at some point he gets startled by some person walking by and hits them in the face and he's like oh with the jack handle and realizes oh my god i accidentally hit debbie debbie the person that you're there specifically for you've talked to you the only person in the this is a trailer we're not in like a 5 000 square foot home we are in a small trailer you know it's her there well and also like the jack handle why do we have it to begin with i don't know if he like showed up at the door with it it's like there's nothing mentioned in like you didn't just like operate with like a jack handle in his hand so i don't know if he like came to the door with it again his whole thing at least according to debbie's story is like oh i saw someone around so i don't know if he like had it initially i don't know if he went back out and got i have no idea where this thing came from as far as like him bringing it into the trailer i do know that it comes up that his wife says he actually borrowed this thing from a friend so it's not even his which i don't know if it's just like a coincidence that he has this thing or i mean or he's using it because it's like like as a weapon because it's not his like this yeah and also like why was he there in the first place like i don't understand why he would stop like why he exists in the in this like space at all well so here the plot twist i originally thought it seemed like there wasn't a motive for this like kind of like in britney's case right like it's like why why this person right because there's nothing in the police reports that goes to motive is it just because you knew she was going to be alone is it like you're her almost ex-husband's friend like whatever but then we learned from a couple of people close to the situation that what was in the reports may not be the answer to that question so i don't know if it's a motive for this but i don't know if it's the actual full story surprise surprise allegedly chad and debbie had been having an affair and apparently debbie was about to spill the beans to chad's then wife and obviously he was not happy about that which that makes way more sense why she took a minute before filing any kind of report yeah and if that's true it all kind of clicks into place for me but it actually is the one thing then differentiates this attack from the attack on britney right because like he has a connection here right and we asked and nobody thought because the first time i heard this i'm like oh my god do you think there was anything with chad and britney and we asked everyone nobody thought they had anything going on his connection to britney is still pretty much nada now chad doesn't commit any more offenses for the next four years but that's because he ends up serving time for this attack on debbie he pled no contest to the assault charge he was charged with the assault charge he was eventually hit with and he stayed in jail until early 2006 but just a few months after getting out he's accused of sexually assaulting his ex-wife ex because she had obviously moved on while he was in jail yeah and for all the debbie stuff and then less than a year after that britney is brutally murdered and he becomes the main suspect with that past a shaky alibi and a place where he'd been living they're looking for anything to physically link him to the crime bloody clothes a murder weapon britney is missing underwear oh yeah and they do find and take some interesting items into evidence like a pair of white shorts with what appears to be drops of blood on them and a white t-shirt that also appears to have blood on it a gray ski mask and women's underwear two pairs one is pink size seven the other is white size five now there's no blood on either pair or anything like that and we know chad is dating velva then right like could be hers so they go to jeff's mom and she says the pink ones the size seven ones those are velva she knows that but the size five no one in that house seems to claim those so then they go to britney's mom and sure enough she tells them that the size five is the exact size that britney's mom is and she tells them that the size five is the size five so they've got chad not quite this search didn't happen until more than two weeks after the murder and according to law enforcement it seemed like the underwear had been washed by the time that investigators got a hold of them so even though they do send them off for testing nothing comes back that would definitively link britney to the underwear okay did jeff remember her underwear being white that morning when she got into bed like could could he have id'd them this this was my question too but in fact i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't all of the documents we have there is no record of anyone specifically asking jeff this so i don't know and madison tried reaching out to him to ask about this along with a lot of other things but as of this recording we haven't heard back from him okay but there was other clothing like the shorts and the shirt like whose blood was on those i don't know it sounds like the testing didn't come back with anything useful on those either like either it was inconclusive or maybe it was chad's but like it didn't give them anything to go on What about all the stuff at the actual crime scene back at Jeff? house like this was a violent scene i think that there would be something there like maybe under her fingernails just well something the fingernails so we asked about those apparently britney's were too short so like nothing helpful there but to your point yeah you'd think there would be something somewhere at that scene especially because they think that this is a killer who apparently sticks around long enough to take a shower before leaving and that's one of the reasons that they actually test the shower including the drain but here's the catch according to the sheriff there's only one bathroom in that whole house so it's a really shared space then even if they can place chad in that bathroom it kind of means nothing well except for the fact that it it kind of might if they can place him there because apparently chad makes a specific statement to authorities that i find really interesting when they tell chad that they're in the process of testing evidence they're not going to be able to tell chad that they're in the process of testing evidence and they're not going to be able to tell chad that they're in the process of testing evidence he says something like my dna will not be on that girl or in that room i honestly was expecting him to like preemptively explain why his dna was there i know that's why i was like surprised but he doesn't do that in his original statement chad says that he never went inside that house is he talking like just that morning or ever i think he's just talking about the day of the murder but like still so a statement like that i have to wonder like does that come from like the confidence from being so meticulous about cleaning up after yourself or from being innocent i mean i know what a defense attorney would argue because in the early days most of what they find at the scene seems to belong to britney or people living in the house nothing that clearly identifies an outside attacker okay but would chad technically count as an outside attacker if he'd been at the house at some point i mean i know what you're saying like i feel like i'm like dancing around so i feel like i'm being a little cryptic here and that's because investigators were tight-lipped with us surrounding dna stuff but from what i could gather if they did have anything early on it was either inconclusive or too limited to point to like a sure suspect so in that early time frame like the investigation starts to slow way down you're kidding me like they have so much no and where is velva in all this like this is her boyfriend they're accusing of murder you know i don't i mean it sounds like they're really only talking to her at the scene that day because like she was in school when this happened right and then after they're like focused on chad it doesn't seem like they circle back around to her at least like in any real formal way maybe she was still with him for a little bit and they thought that she would take his side i don't know but she doesn't stay with him like long term like i know that for sure and sometime after they break up she does actually seek out police because she wants to talk to them she thinks that she has information that could help them about eight months after britney mcglone's murder velva asked to have a conversation with police about chad she tells them there were things about that day that now looking back don't sit right with her she says that when chad picked her up from school that afternoon something was off like he seemed nervous and she was like i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do and there was this distinct smell that she remembers it was her body wash soft soap ultra rich shea butter and this is chilling to her because to her knowledge chad hadn't showered at her house that day there would have been no reason to because by the way i told you she hadn't even stayed at her house the night before remember right the two of them spent the night together at his aunt's house she went straight to school from there and when he dropped her off he didn't smell like that so she asked him like did you take a shower and he says yes so then she asked the natural follow-up question did you shower at my house and he just doesn't answer according to her and sometimes silence speaks volumes now they went to her house right and the scene was unfolding it was understandably distracting right so maybe like you don't press in on it then and we know at least one deputy is flagging how strange chad is acting but velva says that he was acting odd the rest of the day too like he didn't want to be alone afterward and at one point she says that he even called his aunt to like come be with him which all of this seems like a little bit dramatic when he acts like is saying everyone agrees that he barely even knew britney right yes and then velva gives investigators something that they have been struggling to find a possible motive outside of just a propensity for violence finally she says that chad had complained before that britney was allowed to stay overnight at jeff's house but he wasn't wait that's it that's that's the motive that's all she can come up with in the last eight months and look on its own it's not a strong motive it might not even be the motive and quite frankly it doesn't even really make much sense to me because from everything we learned from britney's mom patricia sleeping over after the night shift wasn't even something that britney ever did wait if he wasn't allowed to stay over wouldn't that take away any like innocent explanation for his dna to be in that like some specific places of the house if they were to ever find it if but whatever they do have it's apparently not enough to make the people in charge think that they should move forward so even after velva gives her statement nothing much changes for years and the longer it sits the more it changes the more leads dry up the colder and colder her case gets until a new sheriff comes to town literally well kind of literally in 2021 there is a new sheriff kelly cole but he'd actually been there from the very beginning working in law enforcement in the same county where britney was killed he knew the details he knew the mistakes and now he has the authority to try and make it right so he does try and make it right alongside captain mike chilson they start going back through everything old reports old interviews old evidence and at the center of it all is the same name they had before chad car because in the years since britney's murder chad hasn't stayed out of trouble he went on to serve 10 years for sexually assaulting his ex-wife and that matters because now investigators aren't just looking at a suspect they're looking at a pattern a pattern that frustrates britney's family because chad didn't even end up having to register as a sex offender after this and i know we've been searching for a strong why here when there might not really be one at all so maybe the why is just an appetite for aggression and not just with women court filings that we got our hands on alleged prior incidents of animal cruelty one involving a cat and another involving multiple stray cats and kittens as sheriff cole and captain chilson are taking their fresh look it doesn't appear like they uncover some brand spanking new evidence or anything they just ultimately believed that there had been enough to move forward with an arrest all along so the previous administrations just didn't even want to try then sounds like it so over 15 years later it is now 2022 chad car is arrested for capital murder while describing that moment chad car is arrested for capital murder captain chilson said that chad didn't even seem surprised but rather it felt more like he was he believes maybe relieved and without anything ever even coming up about dna we were told that chad was already changing his story about not being inside the house that day he preemptively starts indicating to a texas ranger that he'd been in and out of there all of the time so he was thinking that they found something then maybe i don't know but he's booked into jail and for the first time in years it feels like this case is moving forward and for britney's family it's overwhelming it's hope maybe even the start of healing but in cases like this we know that an arrest isn't the end it's just like the next step especially in texas because before a felony case can go to trial it has to go through a grand jury prosecutors have to lay out what they believe happened and why chad car should stand trial for britney's murder a decision takes just about the full 90 days that they're given to decide and then the grand jury returns a no bill meaning there will be no trial how is that possible i mean this is to me like far from a weak case listen i especially that you're not convicting you're saying there should be a trial i agree according to sheriff cole and captain chilson they say the problem wasn't the case itself it's that they say the grand jury never heard all of their case they say they mean they say that key testimony including their own was never presented and the process ended before the full picture could really be totally laid out but like it doesn't matter now the results are the same like and chad just walks away a free man and britney's family is left right back where they started okay just to be clear double jeopardy it doesn't apply to grand juries right like just actual trials and verdicts so you're correct so chad car could still stand trial for this case if it ever went to a new grand jury and they chose to indict. Which is why, like, this no bill didn't stop detectives from working this case. They're still reviewing evidence. They're still looking for a way forward. And when it comes to forensic side of things, the sheriff is careful with his words. He makes it clear. A lot has already been tested, and most of what has come back makes sense. It's either Britney's or people living in the house. But then he says something very interesting. He acknowledges that there is DNA they're still looking at. That DNA recovered from the shower that doesn't belong to someone who lived in that house. He won't go into more detail than that, at least not yet. Because in his words, there are still things they have to protect. Still avenues that they're going down. Still evidence that could matter. Which means this isn't over. Not for investigators, and definitely not for Britney's family. The question now isn't if something else comes. I think it's when. We tried reaching out to Chad Carr every which way we could. Phone numbers, Facebook, even sent a letter to where we think he might be living now. But as of this recording, he hasn't responded to us. The number one question that I wanted to ask him directly, is did you murder Britney McGlone? Because to this day, Captain Chilson says that he doesn't believe Chad Carr has ever explicitly denied murdering Britney. He said things like, you won't find my DNA. I couldn't have done it. But never a flat out denial. Britney McGlone's family was a recipient of a season of Justice Grant. I don't know if you knew that, in 2025. They put up a billboard just northeast of Winsboro in Sulphur Springs, Texas, asking for tips. It's been up for a year, but it's scheduled to come down any day now. Which is why I wanted to make sure that this episode went up. Right on the anniversary of Britney's murder. So that her family's plea for help could always be heard. Not just by the people of Wood County, but people all over the world. And sure, Britney's loved ones would be grateful for a confession or some shiny new piece of evidence. But the heavy weight lies with everything they've had to live without. Because while investigators and investigators have been trying to figure out what's going on, can go back over timelines. Maybe retest DNA. They don't get to go back. They don't get more time with Britney. Just more missed birthdays without her. And in a place where everybody knows everybody, you would think the truth would be easy to find. But sometimes the smaller the circle, the easier it is to keep things in. And for Britney's family, that closed circle hasn't given them more answers. It has just left them on the outside. Still waiting. So if you know something, or you could be someone who finally breaks that small circle, you can stay anonymous by calling Wood County Crime Stoppers at 903-760-1008. Or you can contact the Wood County Sheriff's Office directly at 903-763-2201. You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, CrimeJunkie.com. And you can follow us on Instagram at CrimeJunkiePodcast. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Crime Junkie is an AudioChuck production. I think Chuck would approve. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr