Mormon Influencers, Filming Reality TV & Raising 5 Kids w/ Madison & Kyler (The FishFam)

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Madison and Kyler Fisher are some of the internet's most famous family vloggers, sharing everything from the births of their five children to collabs with celebrities like JoJo Siwa and Jake Paul. They were filmed us for five years and you don't know what footage they're going to use. And then they'll take kind of like the worst moment and then they'll add like this ominous vibe to it. After being featured on The Hulu documentary Born to be Viral, Madison and her family were invited to join the new cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Orange County. They can make me the villain, you never know. Unless it's Kyler. People find her ways to make me look like a scumbag. I do not like fake people. Are you saying that I'm fake? Hey, before we jump into today's episode, I wanted to mention that 65.3% of you are not subscribed to the show. I know that was very shocking to me as well. I'm not sure if you're not subscribed to the show. I'm sure you guys are shocked hearing that. So if you're one of the 65.3% that is not subscribed and listens and supports the show, please just take two seconds to just tap that subscribe button. It's a free way that you can support our show. And if you subscribe, what we'll do on our end is do the best we can to make the best show possible for you. We're going to bring on the guests that you guys want us to interview. We'll talk about the parenting, marriage and relationship topics that are interesting and applicable to you guys. Thank you so much for supporting our show. Thank you. If you're one of those people that wasn't subscribed and now you're subscribed. Thank you so much. Let's get on with today's episode. Thank you for that. And her husband is what the show kind of like allows. I don't have a name. What do you mean by that? Husbands on very much on this one? I don't think really. You've been you've been cut out of the show. No, no, no, no. We're filming. But but you know, it's like I think it's the original one. They didn't. Really? Everyone keeps saying, like, we don't like dad talk. We don't like dad talk. I'm like, well, I told you where I'm not doing dad talk. So don't worry. Why do people not like dad talk? I don't know. I think it's like a I think the majority of that watch just want to follow the women. I don't know. I like seeing the dads on there. It's kind of like showing up to a girl. And there's a bunch of dudes there. Yes. Frick. So maybe with this new one, they're trying to listen to the audience and be like, not let the dads on very much. But I think they should be in part of it because they're part of us. Yeah. Yeah, I think they should be in part of it because they're part of us. I feel like so far he's been in a couple of the scenes, but I do feel like majority of the scenes so far have been just the girls meeting up. I'm legit okay with it because the more and more I'm on camera, the more opportunity I have to say something stupid. And I am one of those guys. I say stupid stuff. I was going to ask you that. Are you worried about being like branded as a villain on the show? I don't think I'll be a villain. He has a persona that could possibly maybe by something he says that's very truthful. So he speaks truth. Very honest. So I feel like if they cut out context, you know, because because basically in reality shows, they can take things and move things around. Well, they're trying to make it for an entertaining show. I think it's good to be truthful, though. Yeah. Sometimes a little too truthful. Yes. So we'll see. They can't handle the truth. Some of the girls won't be able to handle the truth. It'll be bad for them if I start speaking. So it's better if I don't. Oh, my God. Wait, what? Why? Why do you say that? That seems like there's some like energy. There's some energy for sure, but we're not going to talk about it. So are you guys worried about, yeah, relationships being ruined by being on a reality TV show? Because that's a lot of pressure. That's a lot of eyeballs on your life. Because you knew a lot of these girls before this all started. Yeah. No. Four of us live down here in Orange County and we've all been friends for a long time. I knew one of them for 15 years. One of them, we've been really good friends for the last couple of years and our kids dance together. And then I have this other girl I went to high school with. So I've known her Macy, you know, Macy from the original show. So Macy's sister, McCall, is on this show with me. And I went to high school with Macy. Oh, OK. And then my friend, Ashley, who's on the show, her and I got really close all year. Our kids dance together. And then Chandler, I've known her for like 15 years. Oh, wow. Yes. And so then I kind of knew the other girls just through social media. Aspen, I've known her because she's had the YouTube channel for a lot of years. We followed each other. We both lived in Utah at one point. We met up a couple of times, not because we tried to, but just because we ran into each other. And then we DM'd each other a lot about meeting up. Sal, I've known for a while. We've been on trips together, like influencer trips. She's known her husband. Yeah, we went on influencer trips together on the cruise. We both have twins. I never knew Avery and I didn't know Bobbi, but I knew of Bobbi through her funny satire posts and stuff. She's hilarious. Having like 15 year long relationships with these women, like, does that make you nervous, like entering into like a reality TV space with all the eyeballs and obviously given the controversy surrounding the original cast of like The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in Utah, like, does that concern you at all? Or? Yes. So I think that a lot of the girls in Utah, I feel like some of them have stayed pretty close, like close friendship throughout all of the things that have happened, but a lot of them have had some falling out. And I would hate that to happen with some of my friends out here. I think for me, I'm realizing that if you get really involved in drama and you make it your whole world, then friendships can fall apart. What I like to do is I'm okay with speaking truth. If somebody's offending me, I'll stand up for myself. But I feel like if. No, you won't. Yes, I will. She doesn't stand up for herself. I did, honestly. From the first episode. Well, all right. Episode one has been completely filmed. So episode one was when I had to get in, you know, have a hard conversation with a friend. I'm not good at hard conversations because I just don't do that. Like, even with my own family members, my entire life, I've never even had conflict with my sisters before, ever in my whole life. But they're your own sisters. My own sisters, ever. This was the first time this year that I've ever had to talk to my sister about something difficult. And it was the same month that I had talked to my friend about something difficult because it's always. Yeah. Because it's all connected with this thing that happened. I think there's probably people wondering what LDS means. Can you explain the term LDS to somebody that doesn't understand? Latter-day Saint. Yeah, Latter-day Saints. It's just what distinguishes us from other Christian faiths, I guess. And is that because it's really long to say the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Yeah, it's like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We have a lot of different names. In Spanish, it's crazy. People would call us Mormons. La Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días. Can you imagine saying that all the time in Spanish? Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Wow. Wow. Wait, where did you serve your mission? Here. Oh, sick. He doesn't speak Spanish. He just knows that one line. Not in San Clemente. In San Bernardino County. Okay. So all the way from Baker to Redlands to Claremont. Ah. So you guys were both raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yeah. And are still active members. She said the entire name. We still go every Sunday. I teach the church class. You actually look like you could have served a mission. Yeah. He has a blonde hair, though. I know I'm not the only person who's. I think that's a compliment. Everybody thought we were Mormons when we moved. Because he's a bicycle. When we moved to. We used to live on Oahu and everybody thought we were Mormon. Because we lived five minutes from the La Liga Temple. We got married young. Yes. Yeah. I feel like you guys just have this happy. You look like a return missionary. Happy young marriage. You know what I'm saying? You got the whole thing. We don't cuss and. No, that's good. People got really confused when I started drinking coffee. I cuss a little. What does that mean? Well, I was drinking coffee. They were like, "Well, wait a minute." So I guess I feel like talking about the show and talking to. We have a lot of friends that are members of the church and active members. What we've come to understand is that the term Mormon, is not really like. People within the church don't really like that term as much anymore. Yes. The church came out a few years ago and we're like, "Can we stop calling ourselves Mormon?" Because people think that we worship Mormon, the prophet Mormon. But actually, we don't. We actually worship Jesus Christ. I think it's like a. I don't even know where it came from, to be honest. I don't know if the church kind of went along with it or whatever. Because people started calling it because the Book of Mormon or whatever. The reason our book is called the Book of Mormon is because he took all the old writings from prophets back in the day. And he put them all together. Okay, yeah, wait. Yeah. We've had many people that are LDS on our podcast, but I always get confused. So Mormon, how is Mormon, like the guy Mormon, different than like Joseph Smith or Brigham Young? Can you like explain those three different characters? Can you tell? Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, they're all just prophets in different dispensations of time. Or not characters, sorry. That sounds. I didn't want to be. Sorry, that probably came off as a. No, just so you know, no, I don't get offended by anything. I don't get offended ever. you can ask us anything and that's the lds answer because you guys are also freaking nice so friendly so kind i don't get offended by one thing i could like slap you'd be like oh it's okay you didn't hurt my face like no just just profits and different dispositions of time just like the bible so like what's the difference between moses and noah i don't know okay they're all profit a thousand years i don't know how many mormon is a prophet yeah how do you feel then about the title of a show being the secret lives of mormon wives if like you're like well shouldn't this be that's the lives of latter-day saints that's the hook that's the thumbnail i think that name became super popular on the last one so if they're going to create a new show and change the name and people wouldn't think of it as part of that you know what they're doing is all the people that already watched that one they want that audience franchise name watch this one i think they're just like use like they want to continue the popular name so in your mind you're like it's not that deep yeah okay we are pretty secretive over here though we got lots of secrets yeah you guys secretive here's the super secretive they won't know our secrets and you're a community how do they respond to you because i know that like a lot of members of the church were critical of how mormonism was presented on the original show so how it wasn't presented i think a lot of people were more it's kind of like you know it's frustrating if yeah people who have never heard of you before are like oh yeah it's this like group of swingers from utah you know yes no at first when they came out with it i'm like oh are people going to get offended by this it's less of me being offended i'm more worried about if it was going to be like i won i wondered if it was gonna be about swinging and about making the church look bad but when i watched it i was thinking they didn't really talk about the church ever i think they had one episode where they did like a baby blessing or something right yeah at zach's house or something okay that was like the only thing i saw i wanted on this show i i was thinking come to our church with us i let's go to an activity oh you know i was thinking maybe they can follow us going to the temple one night or something oh maybe they can show more about what we believe so would you hope for this version of like the serialized mormons wives oc to represent the church more authentically that's what i'm hoping for yes and and even though some of the girls aren't lds i'm like that's great too it's good to have them being them and us showing what we believe in and we can explain to them what we believe you know a little bit more they can tell their story why they left because people are all on different journeys that have either some a lot of the people in the church maybe have left the church or maybe they're deciding if they want to go back to the church so there's lots of different um ways to be mormon right and like some people maybe go once in a while some people go every week some people like i said left and so i think it's kind of cool to have different people on the show and i'm hoping that i can show the way that i show up to church you know the way that i believe in the church so i'm hoping to show more yeah what does that look like to you guys go to church every sunday we go every week is it multiple times a week or just once a week we didn't go this week it's kind of really fun to go to this or the fun place what fun place what was it like a swap meet i sounded like it's pretty secretive we're letting out all the secrets right now no you want what was that thing in dana oh it's a redo market yeah sometimes i just don't like to go to church sometimes i just like to take my kids to the on a hike and experience god that you know i kind of have to go every week because i teach the kids so if i don't go then they don't have a teacher what what is your official title i am the sunbeams teacher so that's ages three and four year olds that's so sweet yes but i'm with another sunbeam why is it called sunbeams i don't actually don't even know it's been called my whole life do you guys sing like little songs yes i want the show to go to sun wait what was it something song i already forgot it wait do you do like oh he's got this wants me for a son stuff like that yeah to shine for him me each day that's sweet i want this show to come to church okay i know i wonder if the church will let them come on bro i can baptize you today they have to get permission and with all the kids there and my parents show the kids they could show maybe me by myself setting up for the class i don't think in the classroom i don't think that the church will allow the production but why can't they go into the classroom and show me setting up my cute little they're gonna strap a gopro you do this every week you teach yes yeah yeah so it's fun for me so the weeks i don't go i have to get i have to get a sub so yes sometimes we don't go some some weeks like next week is um mother's day so all the men teach for us oh cute that's sweet yes and all the women get to go to like have their own little class do you have to wear like a fancy dress or fancy suit to church they just say to show respect it's like a respect thing for christ so like show up as your best dress like it could be pants if you want as a woman you don't have to wear a dress it's just like don't come in like your sweats with your messy hair you know they want you to show like be your best dress you don't have to wear a dress you don't have to wear a dress you don't have to dress yourself that day like you're coming to there to show up for christ that's probably most churches i think most churches are that way they do i think you'd be surprised non-denominational now bro you say come as you are show up in like a wife beater with like tatted up you know what and i actually part of me actually loves that because you should be able to show up as how you are right i can't remember who said this but one of the fact that you're there one of the leaders of right leaders in the church one time said if the church doesn't smell a reek of smoke and alcohol and all sorts of stuff we're not doing our job you know i think you should show up like that everybody should be there no matter what you look like or what can you imagine though everyone's what you do at church you said that uh part of your church like the men teach on mother's day yeah that reminded me of something um and since you kind of opened the floor for curious questions but yes i don't want to like curious questions are great so i have curious questions about the church too especially just because i feel like in general like because the show probably and in general like i don't want to be like oh my god i don't want to be like oh my god i don't want to Like, Mormon culture has become so, like, people are fascinated by it, I feel like. Yes. Especially people outside the church, obviously. Especially when the show came out, right? Oh, yeah. Yes, I think the show has a major role in that, and now your show, too. We've been to a couple, like, at the church, like, baby blessings. Oh, yeah. And it always surprised me that there's no women up at the front when they're doing the baby blessings. So we believe. We believe in something called the priesthood, and the men hold the priesthood because they have nothing else to do. Because we can't create life, the women get to sit back and just relax. No, I think it's more so. I think it's less about the guys don't have anything to do. I think it was just back in biblical times. You know how Jesus went to John the Baptist to baptize him because he had the priesthood. And I feel like then he gave the priesthood to the 12 apostles. So it's been passed down through men since biblical times. And so we believe that the priesthood is still on the earth. It's been restored. And those same keys that were back in the old. Old Testament and New Testament are here on the earth now. And they can heal just like Jesus would heal. And they can. Or perform specific ordinances. Perform ordinances. Blessings or baptism or. Yes. So we have people with the priesthood perform baptisms and baby blessings and things like that that have been passed down all the way from Jesus to now. And that can only be men. Yeah. So men hold the priesthood. So far. And why is it that every LDS family has like seven children? I think for our church. You can say if you want. I have my. I feel like when you talk. Yeah. No, I feel like. I feel like God's plan was for all of us to come to earth, right? To get a body, to experience life, to learn good from evil, to have our agency and return back to him, right? That's like the point of life. I feel like having kids brings the spirits and the people here, you know? So people can come from heaven and experience life. Oh, yeah. Because you guys believe that like when you're born, you were already like alive, right? Yes. I like. The LDS belief is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that we were like. We've always existed. Like our spirits, like we have a higher self. Like we've always existed in a way. Before we were. Before we were. It actually says in the scripture, before we were born, he knew us, you know? Mm-hmm. So, yes. Like he created our spirits and then we get a body. We believe in like a pre-existence. It talks about the war in heaven. The third of the hosts of heaven followed Satan. And you know what I mean? Like we were all there. And then we all go back home, right? Have you guys ever participated in a baptism? For the dead? Yeah. Yes. How often does it happen? Whenever you want to go? So, I. If you go to the temple and want to do that, you can. But I've only done that when I was 12. You just do it in proxy. In proxy for someone's name that's passed. So, accept a man and be born of water and of the spirit. He cannot enter the kingdom of God. We believe in baptism being an essential saving ordinance, right? Like a step to. Where a lot of non-denominational Christians don't believe that it's an essential saving ordinance. They believe that baptism isn't necessarily a necessary thing. So, we do it in proxy. And it just gives those who have passed on an opportunity to accept. I feel like Jesus. That ordinance on behalf of your decision to, you know, bury your old life and become new in Christ. If you don't mind me asking, who was the baptism for when you were 12? You just get names of people that have passed. So, people will do family history work. So, there's like online, you can have your family tree. Okay. So, you can actually go and find old birth certificates or marriage certificates or anything. Yeah. For people that have passed in your family. And you can end up finding like old aunts and uncles and their cousins and their cousins. And it just endless goes, right? So, all these people, you figure out who they were married to and who their kids were. And then you can take one of those names and go in and do their baptism if they were never baptized. Then they can have the option to decide if they want to accept it or not. You're getting deep, deep dog. Yeah, I love it. Sorry, it's so scary. Is that okay that I'm asking these deep questions? Of course, yeah. I don't care. Yeah. It's not foreign. And so, was it like your mom or your grandma that was like, hey, girl. We're going to do this baptism for like, you know, Joseph W. I was going to say Smith. i don't know of all the names joseph shirkle from 1763 i don't know like you're doing all your industry pretty much how old i guess how old are these people that you're baptizing back to the i don't even know hundreds 1400s 1500s you've back you've done baptisms for the dead for people in the 1500s yeah i probably have i've only honestly i've only done it probably five times in my whole life really yeah that is that's so interesting so what does it look like can we talk about what that looks like they're just names names on a card man oh you get you get baptized for them yeah yeah ah so like you're going in their place to get baptized for them yeah and then you believe that like in the afterlife they're given the choice to accept that's what that's what life's all about life's about our agency right we get to choose like yeah whether we accept christ or we don't but if somebody didn't get baptized are they screwed like is there still hope for them i think all everything is done on god's timeline so whatever we can do in this life you know whatever we can do in this life to help somebody else that's what we do and then the rest is for for i think uh god and you know i only did that when i was 12 though i mean i would do it again if we want but when you when you're in young women's you go to young women's when you're 12 and i think it was like a field trip basically wait i am so curious do they talk about on the show like young women's yeah yeah so what does that look like young women's is ages 12 to 18 and it's just the class you go to now it's like high so it's like primary is like elementary school and then when you turn 12 to 18 you go to young women's okay or young men's and then when you turn 18 then you're an adult so now you just go to the adult classes one of my good friends like do you host it do you lead young women's or she has a role in young women's um there's a teacher everyone gets callings in our church so it's like a job 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what you expect it to be because even kyler we were taking a look at like your ceiling has magnets on it for the camera gear they came in and added magnets everywhere so that the way they can come in they can attach all the lighting quickly magnets it sounded like matt said maggots yeah hold up so this this right here is like is is a lighting strip or that's like a wire going up it's a wire so they can plug in or whatever yeah i don't know they came in did their thing for a couple hours and left and i haven't asked any questions i don't even know what this whole house is oh i didn't think about that oh my gosh whoa what if they're filming like behind the scenes all day then we're screwed like screwed bad i'm moving out of country dude that would be intimidating if they had a camera in your house at all times they do that on some reality tv show well they gotta let you but yeah it's not it's not like we're doing anything crazy over here just that feels a little uncomfortable right who knows what who knows anything can happen yeah why did you okay because this isn't your first rodeo you've done you've done you know multiple shows before i know you guys did um a show about born born to be viral was there so sure that you guys did like a documentary was there any hesitancy after that documentary of like putting your life back out there for the world to see not for me i don't really care i don't like that kind of stuff very much really what do you mean by that it felt too vulnerable like they were filmed us for five years and you don't know what footage they're gonna use and they just come in and they'll just film you for like five hours you're gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh and you're just living your life and you don't know what they're gonna choose and you're like what's gonna be in the edit what are they gonna do and then they'll take cute moments out and put the moments in that you look at your worst that are kind of like the worst moment and then they'll add like this ominous vibe to it i don't know i felt like it was ominous i feel like the way that the cover image they chose and stuff with the kids hanging from all the screens i'm like what is your what was your intention with this this doesn't feel like you're just showing the daily life of vloggers well it's really like you guys had like an agenda it is interesting though i don't know because yeah you guys did that show which i want to say hulu was a part of and now who's a part of this new show like is it all connected in a way i guess it could have been a little bit yeah i think this one's a little more positive who definitely knew who we were you know i mean because of that last thing and i think that was an element of it for sure were you guys happy with how that documentary or was it a documentary i didn't mind i didn't mind i think there are some elements i didn't like but that's i love the producer inez she's amazing did i like the documentary probably not like anything that has any light on her i will watch stuff over and over and be like i didn't like that i said that i don't like that i did that i don't like the way i walked i don't like what i'm wearing i just need to be more confident i guess so i don't know if we can say this but so we can cut this out if it's not but you were asked to be a part of the housewives yes in utah we could talk about that okay yeah so for years when i lived in los angeles they asked me to be on the real housewives of beverly hills and i turned it down and then i moved to orange county and they asked me to be on the real housewives of beverly hills and i turned it down and then i moved to orange county and they asked me to be on the real housewives of oc and i said no and then i moved to utah and then i came back to oc and they asked me again to be on this time and this time i was like okay let's entertain it maybe i took the interview and this is for housewives of oc yeah i took the interview this time for the first time wanted to see the vibes you know i'm like i don't why am i always saying no maybe i should just do something so then i took the interview and then they wanted me to meet up with the other woman and they really wanted me to do it and my i finally was feeling like really nervous i don't know i just don't really feel like it's right and then i just turned it down and then i got asked to be on this a few months later this felt more right because the girls are my real friends i am lds i loved the other show the other show i don't know i felt it felt more like homey feeling i felt like it wasn't as scary because i knew everybody on it and we're all kind of doing this for the first time together it's not like you're jumping into a cast it's already been there for so long and you're the new girl it's like we're all starting it at the same time right yeah it kind of is like this new thing for all of us yeah yeah and so it just felt more exciting and i really did love the other show i watch every episode and i love all those girls so like i would love to be attached to whatever that they've built so you have a good relationship with all those girls yeah in the previous season yeah i mean i haven't met her i haven't met them that much but when i was at the get real event four of them were in front of me and i said hi to all of them and they were so so so sweet so they're just really nice that's cool yeah did you grow up with any of the girls from the original show as well um i knew demi her ex husband was his friend and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god um groomsman we knew dakota and taylor because dakota um tile at our bathroom in utah when we were remodeling no way your bathroom yeah small world yes and then we knew met taylor at the gym and stuff yeah and then yeah and then i went to high school with macy that's a really small world you guys i didn't realize how small the world was i know it's pretty small were you surprised when you heard about the swinging controversy was that was that something that you like the community already knew about i did not know about the internet i didn't know about the internet i didn't even know that people were swinging i'm such in a bubble because that's that's what started the entire thing right that's like why the yeah the show was perked perked hollywood up to go out there yeah and cover it you know when i think about like the utah mom talk i feel like since then there's been so many other mom talks that have sprung up mom talk is everywhere but when i think about i feel like when i think about that when i think about like obviously the swinging scandal but also like immense competition with one another yes like do you feel that with the other moms that are part of this new cast like that competitive element it could get there maybe i think as we start to really get ingrained and the storyline starts to unfold more i wonder like maybe maybe people could start getting competitive are you competitive i'm not very competitive i i competitive stuff stresses me out so i usually will back up and just take the background spot because i don't can't handle it is that what you're gonna do maybe i might just be on the couch in the back if everyone's like a people - She's super nice, she just likes to be nice. do you think that this this atmosphere could bring out a new side of you i mean because you said you were coming for the first time ever the most terrifying thing of my entire life because i was speaking truth and trying to stand up for myself for the first time i don't stand up for myself so if i try to stand up for myself i just cry yeah so i am like yes i think it's gonna grow me in a way of like i can have a hard conversation and still be okay right usually when i have a hard conversation with someone i think my whole world is falling apart you don't cry every time you have a hard conversation with me except for kyler you just you're very stern with you but do you remember when you got in that little tiff with our with courtney how i literally cried in our room he got in a fight with somebody and i cried for three days on the show no it is in real life just if he gets in an argument with somebody it's not gonna be me just because he is and i and i had to hear it or like witness it i can't function until i have to go and call them and fix it for him was it hard for you kyler to what was it like to be in a fight with somebody and i had to go and call them and fix it for him watch madison go through this you know episode one confronting somebody sharing about her feelings where was it hard for you to hold back i've had i've done everything in my power to hold back my i told him he needs to just hold back and just be kind like we just need to move forward and be kind does kyler tend to like do the fighting for you or do like confront people if i had to defend her i'm going to battle the thing is that's interesting i'm calling it i won't be a villain i'm just going to defend my wife i feel like there's a lot of excitement a lot of buzz like circulating about this do we know when the first episode is coming out oh they said probably around the fall so i'm guessing falls like september i think it's gonna be late fall late fall yeah how do you know do you have an inside person i mean we've heard it a couple times yeah the production has told us and also i'm gonna be watching it for the first time as everyone else they don't show us the edits that's so scary it's scary because you know how you film the film so many hours and days right and that all compiles into like little moments so they might film like 40 hours and that might just be like a 10 minute video yeah okay let's just let's just address the elephant in the room there's there's villains on reality tv shows you guys people that like like the public generally just hates i mean if you look at secret lives mormon wives the original show whitney on season one was hated maybe maybe there was something with the producers and and they just thought it was a good interesting plot line and obviously she's had a huge comeback which i think is like come back which i think is really cool now she's like the favorite for anyone that's ever been canceled or ever gotten online heat i think it's cool to look at whitney and say oh doesn't matter what you've been through there's always like there's always a silver lining and there's always like something i think that's the beauty of having multiple seasons is because you really get to see people transform and if somebody has a bad moment it doesn't define their whole character but what happens with reality tv is people are seeing little moments and they're judging people off this one thing yeah but can people see your whole entire character the truth eventually comes out they see that how you've handled situations multiple times and that it's not always like that or you know i mean you have to let people have an opportunity to really show who they are through a lot of episodes yeah i think that's what happened was maybe people were judging her too quickly and they didn't see that she was just a very honest truthful person very confident in herself i mean i think that's what happened right she became so confident i see so much confidence in her it's been it's been fascinating to watch because she's so confident in herself and she's so confident in herself and she's so because i remember feeling like as a as a creative and as someone that's been on social media i think everyone goes through it at some point where you get canceled or hate and so when she was getting a lot of hate i just felt i just felt bad because i was like yeah you know that's doesn't even matter what you did it's just hard to experience all that um you know feedback but it's been it's been cool like now i see like her her comment section her husband's comment section is like so positive so positive people are like like cheering them on so much yeah no i think it's really cool what they've done it must be scary for you guys though going into season one it's like you have no idea how you're gonna be perceived on the show like you said they can make me the villain you never know yeah yeah i think you might be the villain i might be because you're too nice they might not like that i'm i don't know i'm just kidding i don't know i don't think i'm gonna be the villain unless it's kyler people find her ways to make me look like a scumbag i i just i just one thing i just do not like and i think you will find if it if it makes it in the edit is i do not like fake people oh i don't like fake people i don't like somebody that uh kind of blends into whatever environment they're in it drives me absolutely nuts so i just i just like real people you know holding back and not trying to pick a fight at all moments and just trying to be cordial i think that's a mature thing to do i don't think that's fake like why would i want to pick a fight with somebody i just think the best thing to do is not to invite them party don't invite them no i'm i'm inclusive are you saying that i'm fake yeah a little bit i'm just kidding she's like do we need to hash this out right now how does your how does your family feel about you guys being on the show my mom i think my mom is terrified probably for me because she knows me my family was supportive of it um because i think also i think at first they were scared but because i have other friends on it that they know that they grew up with and they know their parents i think they're kind of in it with them they're like oh our daughter's doing this together that's fun i'm sure that gives them some peace of mind like okay yes we know the people involved we know their character and like we know their hearts it's called see your lives of mormon wives but your guys your kids play a big role in your everyday life and like i always was i was talking to my sister-in-law we have a i have a podcast with my sister-in-law we were just talking about like if we were to be a part of some reality mom tv show it would really just look like us trying to rush between nap time to go to the grocery store going to the splash pad like yeah we're not necessarily throwing big parties like we love to have a party but it's usually just like a pool party where we turn on monsters inc yeah like what where does the mom role come into like a tv show like this i hope they can incorporate the mom roles a little bit um because i don't feel because it's not centered around the kids and they don't really want the kids on it i feel like how am i going to show that i'm a mom without having the kids there at all they did say the kids can be in the background in some scenes but they're not going to show up close which is good i think it's good to keep the kids off of secret lives and where my wife's type show a reality show like what you guys are talking about where it's your family that's super cute to have your kids it's a family thing it's about your life this one has could have a lot of drama in it you know it's an older audience i don't know it's like i mean like more mature settings sometimes yeah so i don't know if they're not a part of the filming they're not a part of it really i think that's what was stressing me out about the last documentary is they just you know interviewing them and getting up close i'm like but that's stressful i don't know yeah i can see that as a mom like having concerns about the one thing you have like yes we show our kids on the internet but we have full control of like what we're putting out right we are deciding you know a good authentic moment whereas like them like if they're just like filming everything that gives you don't have any say are we able to talk about how you guys get paid is that like public information on okay i think we've already talked about that before if you're getting like a cut of the revenue or if it's like oh you mean for the show yeah yeah oh i think they just pay us per episode oh yeah it's a flat yeah flat rate per episode uh-huh and is that negotiated by like your manager with the production company yeah with lawyers and stuff like entertainment lawyers and then still just we just make the money the same just like brand deals how do you guys do it with five kids like we we have our hands full we have our hands full with two we have another one on the way you have five how does that even work i think just being really flexible and not not feeling like everything has to be perfect all the time right like if i like right now my house is pretty clean actually but if my house is a full disaster but we need to go somewhere i'll leave the disaster for later chloe is here which is super nice my cousin just moved in with us last week and she's gonna be with us all summer keeping up on the house yes you're keeping up on like so many things oh so your cousin's been helping like with the kids and with like cleaning and stuff yes yes she's just here like if i need to run an errand she's here she'll come with me places with the kids kyler's all like both of us work from home together right so we're always here very similar to your guys yeah like how you guys are so we're always just around i have all my school so that's opens up a lot of opportunities to get work done so when they're out of school we can be more present okay before that it was a little bit harder when they were little like you guys are in the little phase where they're always home for us that was a little bit harder more i felt like i was a little bit more survival mode it's like now we have all these hours when they're at school i'm like what are we gonna do so i can get a lot done yeah before we started actually recording our conversation uh yeah you were telling me about a time that you had a newborn a one and a half year old yeah during covet yeah a newborn a one and a half year old and two to a twin three year olds it was crazy that's insane yeah it's so wild did you sleep and we didn't even have help i don't even remember were we even sleeping yeah i mean all of our kids i think we everybody has that like four to six month window where they don't like sleep when you have a newborn but our kids all slept really well they're good sleepers we always would wake up every three hours though in the night goodness until at least they were six months old somehow you just keep on going that's what i say moms make it happen we just figure it out and dads but it's difficult it's definitely difficult i feel like moms have a have a like a reserve that's just like when you're at zero percent we do have an emergency generator i think so you can plug in that 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that you were like who told you that word well like okay for instance i'm scared our three-year-old was asking about like how abby was pregnant and then i'm like how do we explain this to him we haven't had the version of these talks yet oh you haven't no not yet they think that we just if you kiss a lot you can get a baby you guys tell them that i said they said but then we'll kiss like so could you be pregnant right now i'm like well you have to like really kiss a lot like what are you guys gonna break the news probably this year well i wanted to tell them about you know like santa and all that stuff first okay so we just told them in february that feels like a good order i'm like i feel like we can't have the birds and bees talk when there's something the easter bunnies coming next week they're so little i don't know i feel like they're still in that imaginative phase like they still play barbies and stuff i feel like they get to that phase where they're kind of in that like pre-teeny vibe uh-huh you know where they're not make-believe all day and then you go i feel like that's the time you're gonna have how did how did the easter bunny and santa conversation go it was funny we were just it was spur of the moment we're just having a random night we're like shoot all the kids were asleep but the twins were the only ones up which never happens usually hawkins awake too so there's just the twins and us and we were like let's just go have this conversation with them right now so we just sit there and i was like so you know the easter bunny and santa and the two fairy and the leprechaun and all these things like they're just it was me and dad they're like no it wasn't like yeah the elf so the elf was you the elf on the shelf yeah you were the one that did the spider-man spider-man wrapped up the elf then i was like yeah that was and then i i had like one of paulson's teeth in my drawer and then i have their little santa like letters you had to show evidence and they were super so oakley was crying a little bit tatum was like thought it was so cool and then then they came around they thought it was funny then they started laughing and then they started remembering all the moments that we did and they're like you guys were all bad and you guys were bad at that wait you're really bad dad at the elf then or like whatever it was just like a late night yeah the elf is impossible i i feel like i can never introduce that yes don't do it that's a it's hard we are too techy for that we'd be like no it'd be like somebody was at one in the morning i'd be like oh my gosh we didn't move the elf dude i feel like yeah our kids would definitely ruin that immediately and that would just cause a landslide for all the other all the other creatures um my question for you is you raised three girls and then now and then two boys yes was raising girls different is it like pretty different from your boy are your girls pretty different from your boys yeah they're really different but i'm trying to think like pinpoint like what is different about them i think for the girls they would get entertained with the slightest things like i could pull out like chalk or paints or something and we would play for hours whereas the boys they get over it in one second they're more like peacocks they want to just like run they they like their attention span leave the house like they just want to do something more i was always i always ask my friends with girls that are the same age as my boys i'm like so do they just like sit in color yeah they'll say they're like oh they love to i'm like oh we're like hours eating crayons yeah break the crayons breaking them chilled out a bit more eating them are they getting more chill they will actually color now they can they will sometimes color they'll color for about 10 minutes that's good it's great it's a whole 10 minutes i do feel like i'm with the girls i just figured it out like i felt like i was being you know such a great mom because i could set up an activity and they would work but then the boys i set up an activity and when it's not working i'm like oh okay what do you guys want to do what is it i want to do i feel like she's usually active just a couple lightsabers is all they need yes for them yes it's more physical so they want to play monster their favorite game ever they want me to chase them around i'm like a monster and try to get them chasing them off that's the thing that gets wrap them in the blanket throw them on the couch they want to do that kind of stuff yeah so it's more exhausting yeah i'm like they're like chase me chase me i'm like yes yeah they want you to like entertain them whereas the girls like you could get stuff done and they're kind of entertaining their own like they're just around their imagination they're like creating the moment themselves the thing that i've heard from my friends with girls is like they get hit and then they're sad because they are hurt that they got hit and then they're sad emotionally because someone chose to hit them whereas like i feel like as soon as it stops stinging for our kids that for our boys at least it's like they they obviously have great emotional needs too but just looks different yeah and so it's like then they just seem like they're fine i think they're starting to get more emotional they've been having friend issues at school not them they're very they're much like me like where i just like i'm kind of chill like the peacemaker i don't like to get involved in all in like drama so they're kind of like that too but they will come home saying like this friend was crying today this friend was upset that i was talking to this friend this friend doesn't want us to be friends with this friend so they're being pulled in all these different directions and i feel like they're being pulled in all these different directions and it's tough but they have there's a counselor at their school that all the kids will go in there and she helps facilitate like a meeting and they all will come in and chat about what's going on at recess and then she helps them become friends again that's great so it's good so they'll open up to us about stuff like that do your kids like living in california more or utah more i think i like it here a lot better do you like it here more too oh yeah because you guys are from california moved to utah she's from here i'm from idaho oh okay that's right that's like that's kind of random yeah from idaho yeah i heard it's beautiful that's what i like it was a great it was great growing up there but i mean when you live in california for as long as we have it's like man you it's too cold yeah it's just too cold that's it's like seven months of winter in utah it's so warm here i felt like in utah because it was yeah because it was like seven months of colds i'm such a homebody already so to get all the kids in there snowsuits to go out in the snow and then they would get over it after you know 30 minutes they're freezing you go back inside you spend a lot of time indoors whereas i feel like out here they can play outside all throughout the year and then also my whole family moved here so where i'm like by all of them so oh that's great something else i wanted to talk about but i'm like what was your question what should what should we talk about what do you guys what do you think the people want kyler i feel like you're like in tune with what the people want you know me what do the people want to know we can't share too much about the show yeah so it is kind of a secret but should we come we'll have to come back when the episodes release yeah and we can chat about the episodes that would be great yes because i want to share i'm happy to dive into all the stuff that's going on right now because to be honest i want to and i'm excited to share this kind of stuff with the world i'm already on these platforms that just like will naturally talk about things and i have to keep asking you know like hulu and stuff like what can i share you know i'm excited to share you know and you can't share a lot right now gotcha yeah because this is i mean correct me if i'm wrong is this the first podcast you guys have done since the show was announced yeah yeah very cool oh no i just did a podcast we did one with chris katan from saturday night and i like two weeks ago oh yeah and i did one with larissa but i don't think we talked oh yeah we weren't both of those we say we can't really talk about much so we do two podcasts and oh nice oh yeah i've like i forgot already we get asked every day to be on a podcast but i don't you know only certain people we want to be on podcasts the unplanned podcast 100 this is the number one podcast and i feel honored that you that you've listened to our podcast yes i want to say i love you guys we've known each other for so long yes i wanted to say this because i was telling matt i was like something you you texted me which you probably have no memory of when we lived in hawaii so i'm talking about like four or five years ago okay no it's probably 20 this is 2021 2021 abby was so sad i was so sad while we were living in hawaii and you were like just have kids you were like just have kids i remember you texting me you were like seriously just like start your family you're like i remember being like and i don't want to put words in your mouth but this is how i like remember it and i held on to it you're like i remember being like lonely and like feeling like maybe like having like a feel like lost for purpose in some way and you can correct me if i'm wrong yeah but then when you had kids like you were like you felt like just like so like a piece of your identity like was like there and like you felt so much purpose and like happiness and excitement in your life and i remember being like that i think she's right and like literally i i also am like very hesitant to say that because i'm like this is not the way to go about things if you're like in a low place life it's not the advice but for someone like for someone i feel like we're in the same way like for where like you felt like so much purpose and identity and a mom and it felt like you hadn't been able to step into that role yet and that moment of waiting was like kind of agonizing for me kids changed my whole life so i always give people that advice so that's something i would have said madison we're in los angeles we were just running around madison's been an actress and model since she was like a three-year-old and uh we moved to hollywood to be closer to that so she could really dive in and and i also dived in and we were just running around hollywood being actors and trying to do our thing and uh we felt like we were just kind of like you know you know like one of those little hamster wheels yeah and we just we felt like what our what was our purpose and we just kind of referred back to everything honestly the church teaches which is i mean our literal position here in life is to like have children grow gain experience become like our heavenly father like you know become like the savior jesus christ like the whole goal of this life is that not to be an actor or whatever the whole goal is to you know that is the purpose of life and so i can't remember exactly how it went down but me and madison just one day we just kind of just yes well the purpose also is to gain knowledge your own self there's a lot of people that don't have kids and i think that you know they have just as much purpose i feel like they're they're growing that though right we found purpose in having kids i feel like for me i remember i have this journal upstairs and i had like this really sad journal entry back in 2015 and it was like i was like in depression and i'm like what is my purpose what am i doing i don't know what to do um i was like i want to have kids but i don't know if it's the right time and everything just felt very random and i remember it was a really sad journal entry and then you turn the page and it was like a year and a half later it's like i'm about to have twins i'm so excited this is the best time of my life like my whole journal my whole personality like i felt like i had such a purpose it changed my whole life and i always feel like god will provide a way when you become a parent and i remember what you were saying about how it's not good advice to some people that are not in the situation don't put that on your kids like it's a youth thing you have to decide for yourself you have to be intuitive yourself maybe it's not for everyone at that moment but for me i felt like every the odds were against me we didn't it's not like we had a ton of money or a career going on we didn't have we were in a little apartment one bedroom what what was my purpose of having a child i was only 23 you know for me the odds were against me i could have easily been like no i need to have a career first i need to get to this point first i need to have this amount of money first i need to be my own home first i could have said all of those things but instead i took faith that god will have a plan for me and i'm like i'm going to have a baby because i know that being a mom will bring so much joy and i know that he has a plan and he will provide a way no matter what so we had a baby within within within two weeks time actually our life was in financial shambles yes within two weeks time of having the baby it was like it was a 180 just complete yeah our whole entire life changed it was like literally mountains were moved for us doors were just opening out of nowhere that like just in our business and just everything like things were just like falling into place that we couldn't have even foreseen and i feel like that's to me was a testimony of like god has a bigger plan that we can't see outside of him you know there's that cute little picture of where like jesus christ is holding a giant bear behind his back and the little girl's handing him a bear and she's like but i want it jesus i don't want to give you the bear and it says trust me he has a big giant bear behind his back so for us we want to hold on to what we have and like we're so nervous to like we can't see the plan that he has that's so much bigger for us right and actually madison actually had tested for networks for a tv show or whatever and and uh she was them that's what we're that basically means that they like want you but you have to like actually film an episode with the then they send it to the network and stuff so uh i think you were either pregnant or you just got pregnant literally right you found out right then i can't remember exactly but i just remember being like this was your whole life and this is where we come to and now you're having a baby and then our whole life just fell into place regardless yeah and is it like i'm i'm guessing at this point you know you're you're done like have you had a vasectomy is that yeah yeah i have yeah yeah how was that it was it's like does it feel like three minutes cut or does it what does it feel like no i mean i had laughing gas i don't really remember i just remember just oh that makes me cringe did you go no he just came home you didn't go you're just like no it's not like that it's literally a three minute procedure it's quick so you think the guys that are whining about it they're just they're just putting on a show you've seen your wife have five babies you're like i thought about that when i was in the middle of that i was like i was like are they just taking like big scissors and you're like oh no it's not like that yeah they cut off the whole thing oh wow he doesn't have those parts anymore oh okay yeah no i think it's just like a little puncher the birds of the beast it's just a puncture i think that's all it is and then i don't like to think about it because they just they just stab the sack is what you're i also want to just put a quick caveat on there like talking about like the like our identity as moms and like that like making it feel i just want to be very mindful about people that have a difficult journey to parenthood or like that's something that you really really really really want um and you feel like you're in that like limbo like we kind of described feeling before having kids like that just makes i i mean it just makes my heart ache for you so much yes me too um and it's not like i don't want to just paint this picture that because it's like a solution yeah so i'm just saying like as for people that like this is such a big i just feel like there's a certain type of person like that i feel like community with where i'm like this was like a crazy yes desire that i like felt since i was literally born like i was like no everyone everyone has unlocked new qualities in me yeah i never thought i had no i feel for all like there's i have personal friends who have tried for so many years and cannot get pregnant and i have such a soft place in my heart for all of them and it's not easy like i feel so blessed that i was able to have kids so easily that could have been a completely different story for me but i also like it's so important for us also to remember what our story is and to share our story right um regardless of you know someone else is going to have a story that i'll never be able to that i'll never do right of course when i speak it when i speak of it i speak of it for our self-love and i think that's a really important thing to do and i think that's a really important and what it was right yeah everybody's situation is different for sure totally to circle back to the vasectomy like the thought of being done gives me some sort of like panic i know sometimes i felt that like i still think like we were joking about it like maybe a month ago we're like should we just like maybe have just one more but it's always just a joke i think for me we kind of know i would have a hundred babies i would say this i would have begging for 10 more if my lifespan was like to 400 and oh my gosh we stayed young for a lot of years but like we get older right like we can only have so many kids it's not that i'm like your body can only handle so much your mental can only handle so much you get to a point where you're just like this is good for us yeah and then also life is expensive like how do we go on trips or really experience things yeah how do you guys go on trips we'd hardly ever go on trips it is one person harder than four we hardly ever go on trips and like we're almost out of space like a lot of persons harder every seat is filled in our car five five persons is one harder persons oh yeah whoa five persons is one hundred persons yeah yeah whoa that's good math pink panther is here coach and spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together and they want you to be part of it grab your friends and head to the tabby tour hitting cities around the country 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That's shopify.com/unplanned. - So your vehicle just barely fits your entire family. - You guys are- - So notice, you guys don't have a school bus out front. - I wanna get one of those printer vans. - Oh, you wanna? That's what our next door neighbors are LVSing. - Yes. - Yeah. Every seat is filled. - Our neighbors are LVSing. They have a Sprinter van. - They do? - 'Cause they have six kids. - They have six kids. - Oh my God. - We thought about getting a Sprinter van. It's just like, you can't park anywhere. You know? I don't like that. They can't park it in the garage. It's too tall. - Parking in LA too. I'm calling this LA, but- - Yeah, 'cause we go to LA a lot. - Speaking of that- - Also, the thing about with a lot of kids though, I think that's kind of, maybe it's been like a coincidence because there's a lot of LA's people that even just have one or two kids. - Oh, yeah. - Maybe that was a thing back in the day. I always wanted, regardless of like my religion, I just wanted a lot of kids. Just because of my own personality. 'Cause I used to watch the "Cheaper by the Dozen" movie growing up. - Oh. - And I thought it was cool. - Yeah. - And like, I have a friend that's not even LVS and she has more kids than me, so. - 'Cause you come from one, you're one of five. - Yeah. - Four. - Four, okay. So you guys both were like coming from decently- - So I don't really feel like it has to do with religion, but remember I was saying that families are so important in our religion, like the way that we view families, but I don't necessarily think that means you have to have a bunch of kids. - Okay. - I just think you, having a child teaches you selflessness, teaches you how to push through, you know, and during really hard times, that kind of love that you have for them, you learn only through kind of family units, I guess. - How big is your family? - Just me and my brother. - Just you and your brother. So what, it's kind of like in you to want to have like a ton of kids. - I love kids. - Yeah. - I think they're just so- - And you're such a cute mom. - You're so sweet. No, I just think it's so fun. And I always like, I love the idea of like a big family. Same thing, like two brothers and a, like families, like kids that had a lot of siblings, like I love a busy, full, I love chaos too. - Yeah, me too. - So it's like- - It's fun. - That's, that's fun. I'm like, I love doing a ton of things. - Do you like chaos, Matt? - I do, Abby, something Abby said to me yesterday was, when you're with our kids, they can be stressful at times, but you're never sad. - You're never sad. - Yeah. - Like, I'm like, you can be, you can be pulling your hair out. You can be confused. You can be scattered. You can be like all types of things. I'm not saying it's all butterflies and rainbows, but you're never sad and you're never ever bored. - I just like seeing the world through their point of view. It's really cute. - I know, they're so pure and they're so in the moment and they're so forgiving and they're so loving. - I love the way that they like experience the world. It's really refreshing. - No one will know what this means when I say this, but like Cohen comes in yesterday yelling, mom, mom, come see this, there's a witch in the backyard. And I'm just like. - I know. - And it was just Oakley on the swing. - With a broom. - With a broom running through her legs. - You're like, what is he seeing? - He's like, thinks it's so cool. He had to show mom, I just thought it was so cool. - Like in his mind, like there was a, like she turned into a witch on the swing, you know? - Like, I literally think they see things differently. - Yeah. - And it's so special, but. - I legit thought I could fly when I was like his age. - They tell me they're flying. - I would jump off the couch and flap my arms and I would just, I really believed that I had that moment. - That was yesterday, Griffin did that and he fell. We started having him have quiet time and I hear a huge thud, which I hear every single day, him by himself in his room, like massive thud. And he comes out the door and he's like standing at the banister and he goes, I hurt my elbow. And I was like, what, how he's like, I was flying. And then I was like. - I was flying. - That's so cute. - I was like, okay, buddy, like I was like. - My new favorite thing. - Fly off of lower surfaces. - Is our two-year-old when he wakes up from his nap. He is just like a different person. He's just like, he walks down the stairs. - So sleepy. - He's so like, so sleepy. - Grumpy. - And if you get, if you get like. - That's so sweet. - And you get up to, like in his face, like hi buddy, good to see you. Like he'll slap you in the face. - He's like no. - He'll literally like hit you in the face. - Oh my God, no. - Kids get so grumpy after their naps. - Yes. - I have to, when I wake them up from like a car ride and they're asleep, I know that I just have to let them slowly wake up while they're on me. Because if I'm just like, hey, get up, we gotta go. They'll just be so whiny. - No, it's like really, I wouldn't like that. - It has to be like a slow wake up. Like I'll be like, hey, get up. - He will come out of his room, he just stands there for a long time, just observing what's happening below. And sometimes there's like chaos happening below. He's like, what happened when, like literally Saturday, he woke up from his nap and there was a whole ton of people at our house. 'Cause we were having a pool party. There was like literally 25 people and he went to bed. There was no one. And so he's just like. - Oh my gosh. - And all the kids were like, oh gee, oh. And he's like. - That's so cute. - They don't hide it. They don't hide it and I love it. But that's beside the point, I'll go. - I love seeing you as a mom though. - Thank you so much. - It's so cute. - But I think about that a lot. I literally remember where I read that text. - That's cute. - I was in the parking lot of our CrossFit gym. And I was like, Matt, Madison says this is the solution. Let's just do it. - I know, I probably just, like I love when people, like seeing people like, I have kids, I don't know. It's so cute. - Same. Okay, I'm ready for the game, Matt. You ready for the game? - Let's play a little game. - I'm like, sorry we've been taking so much of your time. - This is called Who's More Likely? And so you guys will be telling us who is more likely to do the thing. - I like it. - Okay, who's more likely to say, we're not doing screens today and then hand over the iPad 10 minutes later. - Hmm, probably me because I'm more like, in my head about everything. Like I'll be like, should we not do screens? Oh, maybe it's fine. Maybe we shouldn't do screens today. Maybe it's fine, right? - I will literally tell them. - I have to go back and forth. - Nope, no screens, get off, go outside. - Yeah, and he sticks to it. - Go outside, go play, go throw the ball around, go down the street. - And with five kids, it must be easy for them just to like play. Like they just do like a sport. - You have plenty of entertainment right here. - There's a whole sporting event in the backyard every day probably for you guys. - Yes, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, you stick to the things you say more. Like sometimes I'll be like, if you guys don't stop, then you're all going to bed early tonight or something. And then they won't stop. I'm like, okay, well you're going to bed early. And then it'll be like super late and they're still up. Like, I'm like really bad at sticking to everything. - You're like, oh, from my mouth. That's easy to do. That's actually shockingly easy to do. And I think we're just now like learning that. Like those empty threads, you're like. - Yeah. - Or I hate when I'm like, I have to follow through. And I really, this makes my life so much more difficult. - Yes. - Who's more likely to accidentally post something than immediately regret it? - Me again. I'm so in my head about everything. - Overthinker. - I'll post it, yeah, I overthink. Yeah, I just met with like an energy healer a few weeks ago and she's like a psychologist person. And she's like, you got to get out of your head. You are so in your head. I'm like, I know, I overthink everything. All night, my thoughts are racing. - Yesterday I did, we did a giveaway for Rhythms, right? And we asked people to do certain things in order to be entered into the giveaway, right? So I did this video where I said, all right guys, we need you to do what you need to do or whatever. And she goes, why would you say that? Why would you say that they need to do what you need to do? That doesn't sound nice. I'm like, and so I deleted the whole thing because it's like, if it's gonna sit in you. - Was it posted already? - Yeah, it posted already. - Yeah, I make him delete some stuff too. Oops. - Wait, who wears the pants in this relationship? - We're equal. - We definitely- - We share the pants. - We share the pants, for sure. - Yeah, we both like have our opinions. And sometimes I expect him to have to, he didn't have to delete it. Even after he deleted it, I was like, no, it's fine. You can leave it up. I just wanted to express, I didn't tell him to delete it. He deleted it because of what I said. He goes, that's it, I'm deleting it. I was like, no, you don't need to. I just was telling you that there's a nicer way to say it. - In other words, delete it. It's fine. I'm good with it. I've had- - I'd rather have you not be like, thinking about it all night long about how your husband's so rude or something. - Every time we meet an old married couple, they essentially all tell us the same thing, or at least the old guy does, which is happy wife, happy life. Like without saying that, they essentially say that. And I just think it's so funny. It's like- - He's just more involved than you. - When Madison is happy, like our whole world spins. When she's upset, it just like starts. We're all just like- - Oopsies. - Angry, kids are upset. You can tell their difference. When Madison's happy, everything goes well. - Wait, how long have you had, you guys have been married a while. - 13 years last week. - We've been together for 16 years. - Yep. - See, that's so impressive because you're so young and you're like, we've been together for a long time. - Well, he's like basically the only person I've really been with because I met him when I was like 18. - Goodness. - Yeah, you guys have been basically the only people together, right? - Yeah, we met in middle school and we started dating at 17 and 18. - Wow, I did have a boyfriend before him, but it wasn't, it was like a four month thing, five month thing. - Yeah, we're celebrating a decade here in a month. - A decade together. - Wow. - Our first decade. - Congrats, guys. - Our first decade, yeah. - That's great. - Okay, this next one. Who's more likely to start a project and never finish it? - That can be me. - You haven't been very good at calling the guy for the handles upstairs. - Yeah, I can say that, me. - He turned off my water and my sink too. I mean, technically I could just call the plumber. - There's a little drip, a little gasket went out or whatever, I've tried to call this guy like three times. - But I also have ADHD too, so it's hard for me to do all these tasks. - Are you guys both more type A or type B? - Type B for sure. - Both of you? - Okay, wait, actually, I met with this organizer lady. - I feel like that's the only way to have five kids. - She was interviewing me and she's like really good at this like type A, type B stuff. And I was telling her after talking to her for an hour, she actually basically diagnosed me saying that I am a type A that can't ever. that can't really be the true type a because my life is so go with the flow and unorganized you've evolved that it's like i'm like a type it looks like i'm a type b but i want to be a type a and that's why i'm more particular about things like i want everything to be organized and good but it's but i can't ever like get to that your house looks very clean yeah i really like your house love the play set in the backyard wait so much greenery you said an energy healer yes i never heard of that what is she she she can feel like she you know like chakras i've heard the word so all the different chakras she can feel like if something's off like with your energy she can pull different things out of you she's also a psychic and a medium so she can talk to spirits she talks to spirits yeah she talked to my grandma who passed my other great grandma who passed they came in the room his dad came in does that freak you out as someone i loved it i thought it was so cool like does the church warn you against talking to a sidekick the church doesn't tell me anything i'm just my own person oh really yeah that's the thing is like everyone's like oh it's such a cult no i'm just my own person 100 they don't tell me one thing they don't even know what i'm doing i'm just my own person they're definitely because i'm common misconceptions about the control of the church i think that's one thing that perks people okay actually i just shut the church on sunday and say hi to people there's this there's a whole conspiracy that influencers in the church are paid by the church that is not is there any is there any fact to that i mean i not that i know of who knows but i don't know one person for a long time i'm pretty sure you've never had pretty sure i would know she's sure some of you guys would be like here's some money she's been teaching for free every sunday wow yeah you're volunteering yeah i've been volunteering my whole life i did music time before that i just that's so no paid clergy or no paid position in the church no paid and you also can stop doing your calling if you don't want it you could expect this isn't working for me but the church also has some like investment fund right like isn't there like a lot of money in it i don't know the deep business side of the church but i mean coming from my opinion i actually i actually believe that that would be the smartest way to manage funds is is putting it in fair and growing it you know i i hear that i also i will say to the church's credit i have heard that like people that are members if they're like struggling financially that there's like i know people that get aid for and like pay their groceries or their rent so like if you guys were struggling financially to like pay yeah yes groceries friends the church would pay their rent yeah yeah i think that's what's so great and pull from the infrastructure so strong okay and i think a lot of it is kind of like evenly distributed especially and i don't i don't even question it because i don't even care to be honest i think some people do care and that's the stuff you see on the internet that people do care that perk up yeah um but i don't i just don't care because it's it's always served me to keep an open hand you know yeah open hand to like we pay 10 of our increase to the church right um and uh we've always we've never gone without i just feel like that relationship with with god and the testimony that i have of the law of tithing yeah which is something that a lot of other religions practice is just really just it's it's it's being willing to let go and not have this really negative relationship with money who's the fun parent between the two of you madison is definitely the fun parent i i have my moments but madison's so creative he likes to do more like the outdoor stuff like when we go to the beach he will go in the water through the waves with them and he'll play actual the whole baseball game with them but i will sit on the towel more and do the like the sand castle more the chill things i heard the rule the person that's birthed the children doesn't have to play in the water that's a rule and i actually feel like we should start fighting by that but i'm really good i don't want to get in the water i'm really good at coming up with like really random things to do like well like the kids are like before bed like okay we're gonna play musical books like i'll come up with like i come up with a really random like almost like i'm a child like an imaginative play i do that with them it's like fun for me you're a great mom so i like imaginative plans you inspire me i need to be more imaginative pink panther is here coach and spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together and they want you to be part of it grab your friends and head to the tabby tour hitting cities around the 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like can i take a picture it's usually what they want to take picture with me or the kids less yeah no it's fine i will take it of us usually yeah but it's but they sometimes will ask all of us together yeah but i think kyler doesn't care as much he's just like i'll take it if you guys definitely don't care but it's but also to the end of that question to secretly love it i don't necessarily secretly love it i do think it's really cute that they secretly watched it in the beginning because it was like it was like a it was like a uh what's the word like a validation a validation for your work it's like wow this is super cool like i remember the first time it happened right the first time it happened was like when the girls were just born and that showed up and they filled two school buses full of kids yeah and they all ran to us and we were like wow we're like whoa okay they're like we love your channel and like it's cute like they sat there and they watch our channel enough to like all know about our channel and then they want to take a photo look it was cute the girls became like super super famous super fast because of all the videos that we did with like jake and logan and david dobrik because there's no babies like they're always like adult people making videos all together right and then all of a sudden like the babies are there sometimes in the background them or they'd wear them on they strap them to like their chest or we'd be playing with them and so it's like the only children out of all these adults there yeah so they're very recognizable that's a crazy time to think about yeah was that like 20 that was like team 10 days 2017 yeah did you guys ever watch the team 10 stuff like jake paul's not until i watched like a documentary about it afterward what if there's a documentary yeah it was the one with shane dawson right i watched it was cool it was like a smart idea it's basically like you create a group of people that are constantly collaborating with each other and you're all part of this team together and you all make content together yes it was like the beginning is like even before hype house it was like he came up with this idea and it was very smart i think that's cool totally who's more likely to hold on to something from five years ago kyler you pointed right at me there's someone that like wants to throw away stuff and someone that wants to hang on to stuff or maybe it's neither of us i get over everything really fast i can get over anything that happens within an hour it's really cool with any person that's impressive too because i i feel like with abby and i will have like a disagreement and then the next day i forgot what it was and then and then and then she doesn't and then i'm like oh frick i i definitely get over stuff too uh especially with our marriage i think that's why i feel like your marriage is different this is you're taking this a different way with other with other people sometimes i believe they deserve to pay you know other people too i want them to pay for their mistake you know but for my wife i don't really care it's like i love her you know you gotta you gotta move on quick love heals everything yeah but some people no love heals everything okay that one got kind of carried into the marriage space so this one leads more naturally who's more likely to apologize first after a fight me yeah i always send i'm sorry after like five minutes she's good at it yeah you're good if he's not here how long does it take kyler to say i'm sorry maybe an hour after that that's a quick turnaround and the guys keep kind of poking my head around be like like i'm sorry are you still mad at me he's like madison like i don't know i'm just thinking about it and then like five minutes i'm like so are you still mad or can we be good uh who's more likely to say wait we should film this in the middle of a real life moment um gosh we're both pretty bad at that we used to be like that a long time ago but i don't think it programmed into your brain just to like film everything we just always had the vlog camera now that vlog camera collects dust over there on the chair i don't even know if there's even batteries anymore are you guys not filming the show are you even vlogging anything right now or no you're just filming we keep saying every week at one at some point during the week we're like we should start vlogging again but then we just never do so then what do you do you create content on instagram in the moment so stories a lot of stories and if it's a cute if it's cute enough moment that's a lot more than like five seconds that actually seems good enough for a reel then i'll post it as a reel uh yeah but that's about it what's keeping you from like doing it you don't know or i think overwhelmed i feel right now i'm doing a lot of affiliate stuff so i make 20 or 30 pieces of content a week for different affiliate brands and then they put ucg like they use it as ucg right like they put money behind it so i'm not posting it but i give them footage every day so i feel like majority of them for like two hours and then bulk film yeah and then we just post it on these drop boxes and then they pay us percentages so that's where that's what i so yes i'm still trying to film in the moment and stuff but i'm finding that i'm making more money doing these other avenues doing less brand deals and more ugc so you're interesting front facing yeah so i feel like that's what i do when the kids are at school mostly or those kinds of videos yeah interesting and are you guys going to mention the beach do you guys go to the beach like every week how often we try to go every week yeah yeah i just love it so much that's awesome it's something about the beach yeah to live by the beach is great i love i love surfing do you guys surf you guys take the kids out you know i don't surf um i signed up the girls for surf camp yes this summer so they're gonna go out with the surfing teacher and got them wetsuits i just remember that time we went on that trip together and i got knocked out i got knocked out i don't know how to surf everywhere that board hit you so hard you know i never posted a video i need to post i still need to share that like nobody my audience has no idea that i got going to the er in nicaragua i actually did not know this surfing in nicaragua the board i bust his lip the wave got actually like pretty big that day and pretty sure i have a video of you right as you got out of the water my teeth were loose uh my lip was like my almost my teeth almost went through my lip wow but yeah the fiberglass board just smacked me in the face so hard that's so sad oh no what show that matt just facetimed me like that can you text me that that's so funny yeah that's crazy and you just saw that and you probably just what happened i was like i know i was at a friend's house and i was like so that's why i don't do surfing so i don't do like extreme sports things i get hurt doing i got screwed i'm very like careful yeah that was painful that matt was messed up for a long time well i got it that's like trying to be a freaking just he's going out on a wave that's like next to pipeline i'm going that's how i used to be my boys have his dna i'm scared i think i talked about this when i was like a lot younger i used to go out to venice on days it was like 8 to 12 and i was like brand new surfer and i would go out there 8 to 12 yes big big big days get absolutely obliterated oh yeah who's more likely to quit social media first me madison i've had this conversation with him like 20 times you're like i'm done yeah i'm throwing in the towel i i would actually kind of be down to be honest with you but it is not just our life how would you pay your bills uh i would just jump back into like business more focused business stuff probably but i actually products i genuinely actually really do like social media but when i'm having once a month a pms thing i go very extreme my thoughts okay yeah okay that makes sense and i'll be like i'm not that's very self-aware of you yes yeah i do i'll go like all of a sudden i'm just like this whole different person that's like i'm not doing this i don't like this and then all of a sudden the next week i'm like i love this can we do more interviews can we do more videos so i don't know am i bipolar no that actually freaks me out because i don't know why i think like when i'm done having kids i forget that you still have to deal with the period social media just is not as exciting as it used to be it's just not it was fun back then there was like a fantasy behind well behind becoming and now it's like i hate to say it but everybody is famous or something you could be i always say you could be famous for sucking your thumb tomorrow well i think i think it's really fun in the moment when your content is getting seen and it's exploding like yeah if you're in the growth stage any growth stage of anything is so cool yeah because like you said you you even you even mentioned how it was fun when that you know the two school buses of kids came up and said hi to you guys sure yeah it was like different yeah to feel recognized and you know i know for us you know back in 2020 when that first started happening i was just like this is my dream come true it was like yeah i don't think i've ever seen anybody blow up faster than you guys though really never you're kidding i've never i don't think i've ever seen anybody well except for jake paul like you guys grew faster than anybody i've ever seen i don't think anybody's done as much okay maybe the royalty family was a lot like you guys too but they also had been doing skits for a long time okay but there are very few people that have grown or have have i i don't think i've ever we grew we grew pretty fast in 25th wait right the first two years of doing it and then i feel like it kind of studied out 17 18 and 19 was our growth years and then yeah and then you guys after night you guys did a really good job with all your stuff and you it's been different so i think that's what probably helps is like you you started off maybe doing stuff with just the two of you and then you started doing you know youtube and then podcasts right yeah so you change up every once in a while you know i couldn't just do vlogs forever i think this show is making me more excited again to do social media change just change like just different things i don't like to do the same thing for so long i agree it's boring yeah so for me if you were to ask right now if i don't quit i would say no because i'm excited to see where the show's going like i'm excited to go on this trip right now and get to know these girls and i'm excited for you guys it's just it's just fun i don't know yeah something different yeah i could challenge myself and try new things seems like this show is more focused on the moms like it's maybe like a individual venture for the first time in like a decent amount and also no no kids to be honest it's really cool because our kids have always been a big part of our yeah uh story right any final like mormon fun facts oh have you guys ever tried coffee ever oh i thought you were gonna ask coffee yeah what was it like what was your experience um i think coffee tastes good yeah do you like the i don't need to drink it though like i have my other drinks that i do you know do you know what the word of wisdom is all about just kind of like addictive substances yeah yeah it's like i can't live without my coffee got my coffee it's the truth like it's the truth it's the same thing with energy drinks anything it hasn't been listed as like an energy drink hasn't been listed as something that's against the word of wisdom but it is do you think brigham young would be okay with red bull if he was around i don't think so or soda good you guys you guys drink right I think it was a way for back in the day somebody to put out something about red bulls right how to take care of your body like don't you want to do tobacco actually i would dude i i'm so tired i've been like i feel bad i've been yawning like i i did not sleep much last night i think it's about moderation the mic is in front of abby's face that's fine that's the best shot of me that we've had this episode was was trying coffee like a one-time thing or was that something that you know what i would i used to get like frappuccinos and stuff like mocha frappuccinos and what like was your family freaking out like you're breaking the word of wisdom no really no because i feel like thanks homie yeah i'm like i wasn't like trying to be like super addicted to anything you know ah yeah yeah i'm ready to be addicted to something to be honest i actually have an addiction i'll be honest i don't tell my kids like oh it's bad to drink coffee you know i don't think that's what i think my none of my siblings like some of my siblings aren't lds and they drink coffee and my brothers and my all of my friends so like it's not bad to drink coffee for me i just think i don't need to drink it i'm fine without it so why even i don't know i love that we're ending the episode on this coffee i think energy drinks in my opinion if you ever want to ask me i think energy drinks are way worse this is way worse for you than coffee this is breaking the word of wisdom everyone do you do the like mormon soda thing no i don't like sodas the whole swag thing oh i'm down i just drink water there's swig in our area i fill up my drink with water i just drink i thought you didn't drink water well that's what i drink if i'm drinking something you just don't drink anything yeah i don't drink stuff these are literally so bad for you actually yeah i was going to say i was like i was hoping it was a sugar-free one i will drink energy drinks is worse for you i do drink some energy percent of the daily sugar like if i'm feeling tired that's okay i'll drink my trim fit or an energy drink i'll go cheers in the garage but i don't really like go out and get drinks really yeah i mean i don't know what time of day that's gonna fit in my schedule to go get a drink yeah so i don't do the mormon soda stuff either you guys should get uh like energy drinks that match your little color here that would be sick actually i was thinking how cool it is genius yeah unplanned do you guys do like little sponsored things like where you have like a little commercial in the center right now yeah probably that's you i wasn't aware that we had that rule well we don't we don't have like rules but we don't have rules we'll drink whatever you guys feel like kind of like how we are yeah right yes yeah well you guys sponsors no i'm just kidding this this has been such a fun conversation i'm i know abby and i are so excited to watch secret lives of mormon wives orange county can i say if i watch it it will be the first episode of secret lives i've ever seen oh that's fine i'll watch it for you nope that's okay not you don't not everyone in the world has to watch everything no it's not bad a lot of reality shows our show is not gonna do that good no it's no did you want to know something about me i've never watched the kardashians me neither never seen i think i've watched half of an episode i don't even know what some of the who they're married to or their kids no i get confused as well here's my real thing reality tv and me uh well i just watch we just watch things together and neither one of us is like really plug in for it so we just watch like breaking bad oh we love game of thrones yes we love the yeah we've watched all those we've been watching recently yeah we like more actiony stuff yeah we like people but hey i'll i will i will commit myself to episode one because i'm so curious and even if you didn't it doesn't matter i will watch you 'cause i know at the same time as you we can do a watch party together kyler and i both have to pee really bad but make sure to watch their show go check out their social medias they're kyler steven fisher madison fisher the fish fam whatever wherever you want to follow them youtube instagram and kyler your app is called oh rhythms rhythms yeah you want to go download rhythms that's the way you can support kyler and madison but guys thank you so much for coming on the show again after the show airs i'm excited to take a look thank you take a look thank you yeah this is the best i'm happy to be on your podcast i love you guys yeah this is great guys this has been fun we're gonna come back let's do it once the show airs we're coming back we'll hold you to it okay pink panther is here coach and spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together and they want you to be part of it grab your friends and head to the tabby tour hitting cities around the country with live performances from special artists exclusive experiences and personalized products and discover custom playlists on spotify but just for you based on who you are 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