More than MAFS : The Truth behind Tamara's Story

Beyond the Labels: Tamara's True Self and Identity OK. Welcome, Tam. Tamara, what would you like to be called on potty today? What would you like us to call you? Speaker 2 Tomorrow's fine tomorrow. No, I'm not a Tam. I'm not a Tam, sorry. Speaker 3 For calling me now. Speaker 2 No, it's fine. I have my nickname if ever is Mara like the other end because. Ah, yeah. Well, my brother was little. He couldn't say the TA like, and it's hard for little kids to say TA Mara. So he just called me Mara and then it was like my nickname. But because I'm not from Queens, I know one calls me that here, No? Speaker 1 Yeah, you leave your nicknames at at home and you can just move into state and just reinvent yourself in any way that you. Speaker 2 Want to a degree? Yeah, to a degree. I think the world's so connected these days, it's a bit hard, but anyway. Speaker 3 Especially now, yes. Speaker 1 Yep. My first question to you is intro no. Speaker 2 No introduction you don't. Speaker 3 Want to introduction? Speaker 2 This is. Speaker 1 Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. Who's? Well, it was kind of like the first question, but tomorrow, how would you? Who are you and how would you describe yourself? Speaker 2 Who am I? Oh, that's a hard question of who am I? I'm just a girl, but I'm not. Also I am. Oh God, how do you even answer this? I'm so hard. I'm so reluctant to answer these questions about myself because I feel like it's you don't want to come across as what would be the right word to use? Like I hate like boasting about myself or, you know, that that kind of thing, like I'm this or that I am, I think the best way to describe me. I am loud, outspoken, honest. I am a independent girlie with, you know, ADHD, a sparkle of chaotic. But yeah, I think I'm a pretty positive person. And yeah, I don't know, lots of lots of different things make up me. Speaker 3 Yes, we faceted. No, it was the same for us, babe. And we had to describe ourselves in our first episode. Nova and I were both like, oh, these questions. I couldn't kind of make your skin crawl. Do you edit this too? No. Oh, so free flowing girl. No, we don't edit. So yeah. But don't let that like if there's something that you are uncomfortable with that you end up slipping out. It's not it's not a problem. We can always ask. We'll be sending it to you before anyway. Yeah, to have your little say so don't worry. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 3 We do the same. Sometimes we free flow with our words a little bit too much and we're like. Speaker 1 Oh, Oh yeah, we're not. Speaker 3 Going to talk about it, Yeah. No, we'll just, yeah. We've had a few Boo boos ourselves in the making of these because, yeah, it's taken some time, hasn't it, to get right. Yeah, but yeah. Speaker 2 OK, that question I never know how to answer it. Speaker 1 It's a hard one because you also need to how many? Speaker 2 Different aspects make you. Speaker 1 You're being asked to look at yourself kind of from a third person's lens as well, and that's hard to do. I found it really hard. Speaker 3 And also, like you say, you don't want to sound like you're boasting or you're like up your own ass, but and a lot of people. Speaker 2 I think men find it so easy to say that though, like I don't know, I've just like the industry and world that I'm from. If you know you're at a networking event or something, man are just so like, yes, well, I'm the CEO when I do this and I do that and whereas like women are a bit more like I run like a small firm and it's like sometimes they like put themselves down. Do you feel it when they say they? Speaker 3 Identify as their career though, yeah, not like you're not really. Speaker 1 Saying that label like they've gone by. Speaker 2 That label as in a man needs a label. Speaker 3 Oh, just in like, just generally speaking. Like most people find these questions uncomfortable because they deflect instead of looking. Speaker 2 Why? I found it uncomfortable to answer because I used to be someone who identified with my career a lot. Yeah. And I've been trying to let go of that, like, the past 12 months. I'm like, I'm not my career. Like, I like, like, I love it and I love like, you know what I do? But I also have, like, different avenues in my career now. And like, even when I asked what I do for work, I'm like, I don't even know how to answer that. Yeah, like. Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I'm trying to detach myself from. Speaker 3 The fit? Speaker 1 Cover owner and it is owner fit. I've been in two years over it. Like it's so hard because you you feel like you've you're completely bad. Yeah. That I've always like, asked myself like, what importance do I have in the world if I'm not? Speaker 3 Attached to that. Speaker 1 If I'm not anything to do with fit cover, yeah. And it's like, I think a lot of people go through their identity crisis when they've got the businesses, especially if they've done it for like a decade or something like that. Speaker 2 Yeah, One of my girlfriends, whenever it's like someone will ask us, yeah. What, like, oh, what do you guys do? And then I'll just like, say my job. They're like, you're a business owner. I'm like, oh. Speaker 1 Yeah, I. Speaker 2 Have I have a small business? Yeah, I was like, yeah, I have a business. It just sounds like not I'm not right? Speaker 1 I'm one of those friends though, that I will not let you talk yourself down like it's not allowed. And so I will always correct always. Even like when you're like when even when you said before, it's like I don't want to talk myself up. It's like if you're not going to, who the fuck else will kind of thing. Like you have to stand strong of who you are in a room no matter what and you've got to support yourself all the time and back yourself and just love yourself. I'm really do. Speaker 3 You feel like you're like that as a friend? Because I feel like that's how I show up in friend, yeah, friendship circles. And I'm like, I love on my people. But then when I look at myself, do you feel like you do the same for yourself? Yeah. So we all do it. It's like it's one of those things that's really hard to navigate when you're so passionate about your people and how much you love them and whatnot and celebrating them. But then when you look at yourself, you're like, Oh yeah, you dumb it down or you're just. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like anything. When we look at us, it's like, oh, I look so ugly today, but you would never go different. You look really average. Yeah. Having a bad day? Speaker 3 Obviously skin flare up. Like I said, that time before I was like, oh, I fucking hate my skin today. She's like, what do you mean? I mean, it's the best it's ever looked and I'm just like, I hate it. Speaker 1 No, like her skin looks absolutely flawless and I'm always checking out people's foundations and we all are greatly using obviously pick cover. Yes, yes. And she finally got some time. I got a care package today. Speaker 2 With all the treats I was. Speaker 1 Very lucky. It's yeah, she got all the products. Speaker 3 In a red hot minute, hasn't it? Navigating Public Judgment and Reality TV's Lasting Impact Yeah, but should we segue then two into what Tamara actually does? Speaker 1 Yes, that's the that's kind of like my first thing that I wanted to. Well, OK, so I'll just read it. I hate this. It's You're so much better at this one. Speaker 3 Normally the questions gal, but. Speaker 1 Because over if I'm if I'm really lagging in it, you can grab that this. Speaker 3 Is your. This is your rips. This is your rips. Speaker 1 So most people think they know you from maps and if if you're sitting there thinking God, I know that face like where have I seen that for? Speaker 2 Yeah, it's been many years. Some people won't. Yeah. Speaker 1 What you. Speaker 2 Definitely don't identify with that. No, not in my bio. You don't have that math. No photos on Instagram I mean. Speaker 3 Was it season? Was it Season 6 9. Did I get that wrong 9? Speaker 1 Yeah, this is episode 9. Speaker 3 09 and what a. Speaker 1 Coincidence. Angel numbers. It's. Speaker 2 Definitely not luck, because that wasn't luck. OK. Speaker 1 But if someone met you today with 0 context of the math situation, how would they describe who you really are now? Speaker 2 Yeah, I think most people, how they would describe me is probably I'm a lot less outgoing than I used to be. I'm still outgoing, but I think that dimmed me a little. Speaker 1 Bit after being on the show. Speaker 2 Yeah, after being on the show, so like if you met me today, I still, I come across I think as quite confident, easy to talk to. Speaker 3 You definitely do because I remember the first time I met you I was like holy fur. Speaker 2 I thought the same about you, which is so funny, and I was thinking about that today. I really like back story. I've known Nova for a while, yeah. And then you 2:00 We, we were at the same studio to do. I was doing a photo shoot for you guys, my brand. Yeah. You came in to do your photo shoot for this and yeah, you were like, loud. And you were like, yeah, like out there. And I was like, oh, she's a lot. I was like, oh, but I'm also a lot so. Speaker 3 But I feel like that it is when you are kind of like a loud personality and you know, you're such a vibrant person when someone else is at that same level, you're just like, oh, is there room for me in this room? Like I get a bit like, oh, fuck, she's really confident too. And obviously you're stunning. So I was like, oh for fuck's sake, Nova, did you have to book us in on the same day? Like on my like self-confidence. Speaker 2 Daisy, if you're studying. Speaker 3 But no, it's funny that, you know, that's how we. Speaker 1 That's hilarious, 'cause I was in the room and I didn't see any of that going down. Oh, because I. Speaker 2 Think it's like it's like it your own like subconscious. What's internal say? Yeah, like an internal thing, Yeah. Speaker 3 I would never be like, Oh my God, tomorrow and like standing in the corner shaking like that's not how how I show like. Speaker 2 This girl is just like, a bit loud, yeah. Speaker 3 Nova, who's your friend? Get her out. Speaker 1 I remember you were recording for your brands and we were like in the background. It was so. Speaker 3 Loud. We were so loud. I'm so I apologise again. Speaker 1 It was, it was no, but it all worked out perfect. There's not one person that had an issue that I know of like that day at all. Speaker 3 Because it was quite a mash up in that crossover of so many businesses all in the one space. Shout out to Vault. Speaker 1 That was the day that everyone saw B for the first time too. He brought the coffee. Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, He wasn't there. No, because I had to work. I was. You met him. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, he was really cute. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he's amazing. Sweet. Speaker 3 Gentleman. But anyway, Bunny to the question, we digress again. Speaker 1 So when this, sorry, what was the question? I'll just go on to the next song because you kind of answered it. But when the show ended and the world had its opinion about you, what was that period like? What was that period of life really like behind the scenes? Speaker 2 When the show ended. Speaker 1 When everything ended. Speaker 2 Yeah, OK. So by the time the show had ended, I was already in a such a state of like, anxiety. I'd lost like, because I had like a terrible time during the filming. So I'd lost like, so much weight. I was like, already feeling so anxious. It was through COVID and I wasn't even able to come back to the Gold Coast straight away. I think from Sydney. I had to fly to Melbourne for a few weeks because that was the only state like, open. My family's from there and like my life, life was just so bizarre. So then by the time the show had started airing, I knew I had this terrible time. And no, no one and nothing can can prepare you for online hate. Like it's just, it's such a bizarre thing. And it's not like you just get a little bit. It's like you feel like all of Australia's watching you go on your TikTok and like you Maps is airing out. Like all I say is and I don't watch the show. I don't even engage with any of the stuff. And it's just like video of someone mocking someone or like reenacting. And as much as like they do that themselves then. And they're just like, oh, it's a bit lighthearted. I don't take it seriously. The person is still a person on the other end. Even though they might have like said a shitty thing or done a shitty thing, they're still seeing like being mocked like over and over and like the comments on some of the stuff and the memes and like all of that. I was just like, all I could see was, yeah, just like all of this hate. And it as much as like I'm such a resilient person. And so at the time I was like, yeah, this is shitty, but like, you know, whatever. And I think the, the hardest thing for me was being in my like, so my family was so they, they were laughing. I just like, oh, this is so silly. Like that's not even you like it. Like how ridiculous kind of thing. Yeah, my close friends were like so supportive and they'd be on there and they'd be like backing me up and stuff. But it was more so the circles of people that were either like acquaintance acquaintances or work colleagues that I was like super embarrassed because there's like stuff where they talk about sex or like your family life or your, you know, they get into that relationship dynamic or like you being at your worst, which people, well, from my workplace would never see me like yelling or carrying on in that kind of, you know, circumstance. I come from like leadership roles. And that's not how I'm. I am. You don't conduct yourself. Yeah. No, I don't conduct myself. Yeah. Like any of those ways. So that really took a toll in that because I'm like, it's almost like someone is like Big Brother in in your life on the outside world and all of that. MASH was just, yeah. It was so chaotic. Speaker 3 Do you feel like to, given the nature of the show and the way that they produce it and edit it and all that, like they they'll pick someone that's more of a like a bit more out there or a little bit louder or whatever and they'll kind of try and villainise you in a certain. Speaker 2 Way, yeah, I, I hate to do the whole, oh, it's editing because everyone, it has to be like everyone. Everyone has their own opinion on that. Like the people who get a good edit say that there's no bad editing. And then the people who get, you know, a bad edit will say like it was just an edit. But some, sometimes they are shooting people and sometimes it's circumstantial. I'm not going to say it was all editing, but what I will say is, for example, like there was two people on my season and they were always fighting and it was Dom and Olivier and I was there through all of the stuff. I know that. OK, yes, they were both arguing. And I don't know if you watched my season, but those two were both arguing and everybody came out liking Dom and they didn't like Olivia. But there was a lot of play in editing there with you didn't see some of the stuff and words. Of course, you know, of one side and then the other looked better in my circumstance. And this is this is my truth. So people don't believe it. They don't believe it like whatever. But I I do get now like multiple messages from people being like, I've been following you for years. Like, I can't believe that. Like that was the person that I thought you were on TV. So it's taking a long time for people to come around. But I do believe that in my circumstance, it was more that the storyline that they had created was so far from what was really happening. So the things I said, yeah, that would that would true. You can't edit the like the angryness or the dislike to my partner and all of those kinds of things. Like they were real, but that wasn't for the reasons that they betrayed on shows. So for a start, like I just come out of a really terrible relationship and I said to them, I can't be matched with anyone who, you know, is excessive, like drinking alcohol, has anger issues, like blah, blah, blah. Oh my. Speaker 1 God, you go and tell them that and they're like, we're going to, yeah, or. Speaker 3 There's someone that is an alcohol. Speaker 2 A good show. Speaker 1 We want the ratings, We want the. Speaker 2 Ratings and and like you know being this hyper independent woman that's like you know I'd just bought my house and like sort of trying to settle myself some like I also. Speaker 3 Want so good? Speaker 2 Yeah, like I just really, I was like, I want to be with, you know, someone ambitious. And then so they turn around and they're just like, well, in they like, maybe like, say this like, yeah, like I always get what I want because, you know, you do tomorrow. Like you get what you want because you work really hard for it. So then I'm like, so naive and I'm like, so I always get what I want and it's like, what the fuck? Yeah. So anyways, yeah, there was all of that stuff. And then they matched me with this person and instantly I was like you're frog or like there is just like they played on this whole like me not understanding what he did for work. And the reason I didn't understand that is because it was COVID. You weren't working and you said that you'll have like come back from Dubai and not nothing like added up and made sense. Like it was just really, really strange. And like, what if I don't care if you like if you work or not, but then you know, in the back end as well, like they never filmed that. And we talked about this throughout like there was filming and they would say to me, it's all right, like we will discuss this because your side will also be shown like severe, like mental health issues and like, you know, didn't go to sleep until 3:00 in the morning. I would have to take substances to go to sleep. And so I went and I was talking to the producers and I talked to their like psychologist there. And I was like, did you guys know this? Because I have like, PTSD, Like I don't want to be with somebody who's like, you know, not stable. Like, like, are you allowed to do that? And like, yeah, no, we know everything. As long as we know what they're like, like, it's OK. And I was like. Speaker 1 They would be loving just knowing that this was happening, yes. Speaker 2 And then they. Speaker 1 'D it's stirring you up. Speaker 2 Yeah. And just. Yeah, it just, he, he was just as angry as I was. But you never saw those bits. It was like, it was so one side and they're like telling me, you know, that see that side. Anyways, it got to like halfway or something. And I was, you can see like I'm like going fucking crazy. Like I'm like fully like, you know, I'll be like yelling at the producer and I'd be like, I want to go home. I want to go home. And then they would say, if you go home now, like, how are you going to get home? It's covered. And we're not going to pay for you to have a hotel here. Like, yeah, that's they were like fully manipulative. We're not going to pay for your hotel and like, we're going to, like, not be able to fly your home. And. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or do you have to sign an NDA? Yeah. Speaker 3 But like that's null and void now like. Speaker 2 I don't even know, to be honest. Yeah, they. Yeah. Speaker 1 So many people have spoke more about yeah and like the back end as soon. Speaker 3 As they as soon as they're off the show. Speaker 2 It's really hard to do anything about it. There was like a class act that was going to go on like a little while ago. There's like over 50 people from and they they still couldn't do anything. So anyways, yeah. So I where was I going You. Speaker 3 Couldn't get home, they were saying you. Speaker 2 Couldn't, Yeah, yeah. So like there was all this and then he wanted to be famous so bad. Like his whole thing was like, we can like, be this power couple and we can be like on Instagram and we can get like, free Botox. And like, he would buy me gifts, but he didn't buy me the gifts. He got, like, would message places and then get me like, something for free so that I could, like, show it. And it was just also fake and so cringe. Like, I don't want a guy like that. And so I just like, couldn't. Like I couldn't bring myself to like Kim. He just gave me the ick so bad. And yes, so it was, it was really difficult. And I wish that so because I wanted to go home and because he wanted to stay to be famous. That's why I'm just like, you know, I've got shit to go home to. Like I've got my job, like I've got this and that. Like what do you have to go home to? Like that was when I like wait. Speaker 3 If someone says stay and one says leave, you have to. Speaker 2 Stay yeah. But even still then there's so much manipulation between like me riding like that. You actually riding the leave. Like it was like multiple like meetings and like, you know, they're very manipulative with their conversations and like, yeah, like if you go now, like you don't have that, you know, that chance to like finally say your piece. And anyway, I ended up being allowed to have my own separate room and I like have the text messages and stuff like that between me and the producers and him and him being like, it's OK. Like I won't pressure you anymore because I'm like, stop pressuring me with this relationship thing. Like it's not working and it's making me more angry. And the producers need to stop with it too. Like this fake storyline. So he's like, I won't pressure you with asking questions about it. But if you you know, if you stay, we'll just like, we'll go out with a bang. You know, you wanted to be there for the whole time. I was like, ended up like my like, I was like, my mental health was just like, so not OK. So I was like, yeah, right. And we stayed like for a bit longer. But then he asked me and wanted, I think we're on like this boat on our final date or whatever. And he asked, he must have been told to sit down and ask me about our relationship and sort things out. And because he did that, I just like blew up. Like it was the most hectic. Speaker 3 You're like I have told, yeah. Speaker 2 Multiple times, yeah, just the whole thing, like, yeah, ended up and then yeah, after it with everyone just being like, oh, he's such a great guy. And it's like, how do you see someone who he after? I was like, surely they're going to say because he's going to come undone. He was like making videos on like he's like 36 or something, making videos on TikTok mimicking me. Like him and his friend were like, you know, they'd put a towel on their head and pretend that they were gone. They'd be like me, me, me, like, you know, position to me me and like he'd go on lives and like tone, tone. Speaker 3 Sounds accurate. Speaker 2 You know, he talk shit and like, I'm just like, surely that's, you know, got to say something who this person is. And then he goes and he starts his own business, which is supposed to be this charity thing. And, you know, all of these influencers are complaining because it didn't get paid and he's like ripped them off. And now his business is in New South Wales. What's that thing where you don't, where you, like, banned? Speaker 1 Like bankruptcy? No or banned from liquidation. Speaker 2 No, it's like on the NSW. Speaker 3 So you can't, you can't start another business. Speaker 2 No, it's like his business is like on there as a, like a warning for people not to interact with it because it's like, don't do it. Yeah. So. And he never donated any of that money to charity, which is so sad because they're people like in countries. Yeah. In this country you need to Google who the person is. $1.00 foundation I can't even remember. Speaker 3 People. Speaker 2 Who were who were, you know, working this job and doing stuff for him, packing the orders to just be like left with nothing like it's just it shows who he is and shows how I felt about him too. Like I just knew and I. Speaker 3 Was that instinct? Speaker 2 Of like, this person is so not who they portray they are. And men are so good at that. Like, you will meet a guy that's out with their, you know, girlfriend or something, and they're like charming and they're this and all that. And then, yeah, you know, behind the closed doors, he treats her like shit. Yeah. That it's that kind of thing. It was that. And I'm just like, you are just so fucking fake. And I just. I can't do that. I'd rather you fucking hate me for who I am. Yeah, like me for someone that I'm not. Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh yeah, How that's a that's a little bum. I'm used mad at my little butt. Speaker 1 How long did it take for you to feel like you've actually really, really come out of that? And that's just not like, for example, like I've I, we don't ever talk about this. Not that we not that it's not on the table. It's just that I don't see you in that. I don't even think I watched the whole episode. So I don't really know all of it anyway, but I see you as like someone else not from that show. So like, how long did it take for you to feel like you're completely you? You came out of it like you're it's not a part of you anymore. Like was it years or months? Speaker 2 Years, yeah. So I feel like it must be like 4 years ago or something. It was a while. I feel like honestly only the last 12 to six months I've really felt like myself again. Like it's taken a really long time. I haven't been able to be in a relationship or anything for like, yeah, this whole until now, like I have a Bunny now. But yeah, yeah, thanks. Yeah. It's taken a really long time for me to have to do like a lot of like healing and work and and whatnot to feel yeah, like myself again and feel like a bit more. Like I said, I'm like super resilient and that's fine, but it does still take a toll on. Speaker 3 Yeah, I feel like no matter how thick you say your skin is, like if there's online, like you're just getting berated on, like of course you're going to feel some type of way about it, like it's got to hit you at some point. Yeah, for sure. Speaker 1 Dating in the Gold Coast is a thing, but then dating coming off of that show would be a whole another thing. Speaker 2 As well, people like, yeah, guys or people dating someone who's been on TV because they might have seen it. They think they have this preconceived conception of who you are, which is really hard. Or like they'll Google you and they'll see all of these ridiculous articles and they'll be like, so I saw this and I saw that and it's like, yeah, cool. It's it definitely is. And I and I didn't like dating like when I came off for that reason, unless I met somebody like out or something that had no idea of who I was. Like I wouldn't reply to Adm of someone because it's like, Oh well, you're just TM ING me because you think that like yeah, you know, you know me from yeah, being on TV or whatever. I definitely would only want to meet someone who for me. Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah. From Casting to Online Hate: The Pressures of Public Image How do you even fall into a show like that? Like how did, how did that come up? Speaker 2 Years prior, I think it was like 3 years prior, they asked me to go on the show. I had a boyfriend at the time. And then the following year they asked me to go and I went through all of the process and I ended up choosing to go to America. My brother lived in America. So I was like, sorry, I'm not going to go on, I'm going to go to America. And then this time I think a producer messaged me on Instagram. Speaker 3 So they like scout you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, hugely. Speaker 2 You still have to go through the process of like applying and like if if you want to do it and like you know, put your. Speaker 3 But they just kind of go, oh, you look like someone we'd love to have on you. Speaker 2 Can just apply? I'm not really sure how. Speaker 1 Or where you go. I did. Speaker 2 That helping that but they sent me the link. Speaker 3 Did you for that apply for? Speaker 1 More yeah, because they scouted me on social media, just like what you're saying, because you saw, I saw them starting to. Speaker 2 Follow me. Yeah, they did it to me again. The girl had no idea where I was. She's like, hey, like this love show, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, are you talking about Mask? Yeah, I've been. And she's like, oh, sorry, love. Like, yeah, we'll keep you in mind for something else. Speaker 1 Oh my God, that's so funny. That was last year for me because I was in the beach, the beach apartment when it all happened. Yeah, how funny, really. And I was considering it. Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, look, people always message me and they're like, So what do you think? And I'm like, I don't know, like it depends what you I feel like. Speaker 3 They get it right sometimes, but. Speaker 2 If I was smarter, I would have done it for the wrong reasons, which is what I think everyone who does really well to do it for that. I don't watch the show and I know I sound like such a bitch saying this and I shouldn't because I don't watch it and I don't like talking badly about other people. But you know, the girl, I, I think her name's Alyssa or something. I just see the tick, the reels and stuff and she talks like so annoying and like poised. And you can just tell that she's there because she wants something at the end of it. And she's like such a good girl. And I'm like, yes, I would have done that. Like I would have, I would have had a business in mind. Like some of the people do. They like have their business that they're ready to launch when they get off. They acted so proper, which is you know what? Speaker 1 That well, that's why I was considering it because I'm like, this could be good for you to cover. Speaker 3 Yeah, so much. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like I should have done that because then people, I could have started, but I didn't want to. At the time. I was like I wanna do this. Speaker 3 And hindsight. And. Speaker 2 You're like, I'm not a shit person, Julie. They won't betray me. Yeah, Yeah. How did that happen? And then this just. Speaker 3 Happened repeats of your angry face on Tik Tokers. Speaker 2 I remember Carl Sanderlands did a segment he had on one of the kids who hated me on on the show and he's like, oh, yeah, Tamara, that one where they always show the side profile and zoom in on her nose and I'm like, I knew they were doing that on purpose. Oh, like I looked, I had, I had. I hadn't had my rhinoplasty at the. Speaker 3 Segue, OK. So we've had, we've had our. OK, Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't have it at the time. And I'm like, they're always filming me from here. And I'm like, I know you. Speaker 3 Your eyes, your eyes twitching, you're like fucking asshole. Speaker 2 It's fine from the front, still I'm like so close up. Anyways, I know they didn't mean dirty. Speaker 1 How long did you have Urano? Because you had it done in Turkey, didn't you? Speaker 2 Yeah, I reckon 2 years ago, yeah, I think I had my boobs done 2023 and then no wait, I had my boobs done after. Speaker 1 No, You got your boobs done last year. Yeah, we had it. We had it at the same. Speaker 2 Time. Oh, he's going boobs up The same time a year ago I had my boobs done, but it must be three or two years ago that I had my rhinoplasty. Speaker 3 Yeah, and you went to Turkey for your nose. Yeah, because we were just talking about facelifts in Turkey today. Well, we turned. Speaker 2 40 Yeah, I am. I've been talking to the clinic about. Speaker 3 The same one that did you know the cap? Speaker 2 I the. Speaker 3 Temporal. Speaker 2 Lift. Temporal lift, yeah. Speaker 3 I want to get that I'm really. Speaker 2 Imagine if they like it. Imagine if like it's not the. Speaker 1 It looks scary. Speaker 3 Yeah, it does look scary while it's healing because the eye kind of the skin kind of comes away. Speaker 2 The thing is, I think it looks, so let's say for example, like Sky Whitley's had, it looks good on her because I think she has, which I think I have an eye shape that look like when I put that little bit of like line in here, like it does look better as a cat eye. But some people have like natural round eyes and like a round of face and then they get it. It doesn't. Speaker 3 Look, you've got to have an almond. Speaker 2 Eye, Yeah, you've got to have the almond eye. You can't just make the almond eye because then you look like. Speaker 3 I don't know, I'm sorry. Zoom in on that I think. Speaker 2 That face and bug my makeup, but you know what I mean? Like it just does not right. Speaker 3 Yeah, it doesn't fit well. Sky does look really good, but I remember seeing prior like as as she was in that healing phase and I it's like anything like same thing with your nose. It would. Speaker 2 Have been Oh yeah, so much you. Speaker 3 Would have had swelling and all of that and it. Speaker 2 Takes for Indy Clinton with her. Speaker 3 No, I think she looked cheating. Speaker 1 Overseas, though, did she? It was here in Sydney. Speaker 2 Supposedly really good in Australia. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 And I. Speaker 2 Didn't. Speaker 3 I didn't follow the story, but was it not? Speaker 2 Good. No, it was. Speaker 1 Terrible. I love her. Speaker 2 Putting she can get it full reconstructed. Speaker 1 She put that and she got turned. Speaker 2 On to me online. Yeah, it was awful. Speaker 1 She, I think she handled it. Speaker 3 Really. Well, she's actually she was putting a case together, though. She's taking all those trolls down. Speaker 1 Oh yeah, that was good. Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, which is fantastic. Speaker 2 If you've got the mum. Speaker 1 At. Speaker 2 Home pardon, then they're just. Speaker 3 Yeah, they're probably just these mums with no lives. Just I. Speaker 1 Honestly. Speaker 3 Well, I mean, a lot of mums don't have lives because they're busy with their children, but. Speaker 1 I haven't been on like a stage like you have with that kind of like viewing and the bullying that would have come in. I've had a little bit, but I just automatically, my first default thought is that I'm feel sorry for you. Like for the person that's being so mean. I just feel sorry for them. Ohh, 'cause they don't know. Speaker 3 Role. Speaker 1 Yeah, ohh no fuck. I'm just like I but I do. I always feel sorry for them. I lose. I do think that. Speaker 2 Like I don't read it though, from their fake account from their like, yeah, you know, from their their home or like whatever the fuck they're doing. Like I could just not him because. Speaker 3 I won't. Speaker 2 Spending my time though like finding this person that has nothing to do with my life they like. Speaker 1 It to me, I just. Speaker 2 Want to let you know that you're a piece of shit? Yeah. Speaker 3 I hate. Speaker 2 You know, thanks. If you're just commenting on stuff, you do think like you must be really unwell. Sometimes I reply back to them and I'm like hey, like I think. Speaker 1 That you you need to seek therapy. Speaker 2 Like or I'll like post if they're like, if they just can see who they are, be like, hey, does this person have family on here? Because I think like. Speaker 3 They're unwell, I. Speaker 2 Think they're unwell and could like use some love? Like is this not normal? Normalise. Normalise. Speaker 3 Calling people out in a loving way, I think it's the best. Speaker 1 If I had to have to do it every. Speaker 2 Day I still get it, like every day. Speaker 1 How do you what? What part of you just blocks that out? Like what goes on when you said? Speaker 2 Before about feeling sorry for people, I don't necessarily feel sorry for them, but I think like dude, like that was so many years ago. You've got a grudge on me and I'm no one to you like I've obviously. Speaker 3 Move on like. Speaker 1 Triggered the hell out of the phone somehow. Speaker 2 It's yeah, I've triggered you or like something somewhere down the line. How? Speaker 3 Unhappy would you have to be in your own life though to go around doing that as like your full time? Speaker 2 Never, I've never either watched something or like, you know, disliked someone that I haven't personally had an interaction with, of course, so that much or more than watching it. And it's like, oh, that's like, you know, off. But then moving on. You know, I mean, to be fair, there's. Speaker 3 Some shit on social media where I run to the comments section but I would never comment. Yeah, running to it going this is fucked. What are these people? Speaker 2 Saying it's like one of those, I think I commented on one today about that. There was this lady who I don't know, she was addicted to meth and her kid, her kid, her kid was her kid died because it was malnourished. And by the time they took her to hospital, it was like the kid was like 7 years old and it was like skinny and like she only got 17 years and I was like, bullshit, that's murder. I commented in that she should go to fucking jail for now. She'd go to. Speaker 3 Her kid, she stabbed her for seven years. See her, see how she likes. Speaker 2 Her, I see her ears and her nose and she was poor baby. Her birth wasn't even registered. Like it was so messed up. Anyways, those people, we digress. I will comment oh 100% on the news article and say this person should go to yes, jail for I know jail. Yeah, jail for murder. Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't handle even imagining something like that. Speaker 3 No life if you're taken a life you deserve to have yours taken. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 I always think that they should get their Dick chopped off. If they've rape someone and it's been absolutely proven, put them out on the street, but they've got the Dick chopped off, they're not allowed to use it anymore. You don't have the right carcerated or. I think that's what should happen if. Speaker 3 Carcerated is going to prison. Carcerated is when they I can't. Speaker 1 Oh yeah, smart girl. Yeah, because you can't. Speaker 3 Because I'm very knowledgeable, just ask me SO. Speaker 1 Much is I really if it's it was if it's 100% proven. Speaker 3 Let's not go down the Epstein files. Speaker 1 Rabbit hole, I don't know much about it. Rest I don't want to know about it. Speaker 2 No, I've been. Yeah, I've been falling. Speaker 3 I've been no like that's what. Speaker 2 I mean, I have my own theory and. Speaker 3 I'm just like. I can't. I'm just like. Speaker 1 No, I, I'm going to think about that story. That's. Speaker 2 Too much on Trump. And that's why this whole war is happening. It's a distraction. Yeah, because Epstein was a spy for, I reckon, a spy from Iran. And then they've got like all this shit on Trump and then Trump's gone and obviously bombed Iran. Speaker 3 To stop him from having to be, I guess. What is it brought into it? Speaker 2 Well, just to do Israel, sorry, I'm saying Iran, Israel, he's has got too much on him. So yeah, he's doing what they want and he's making it a dirty word. Obviously it's I think it's like 80% of all of this Epstar, Epson file stuff, Epstar, Epstar and this one we. Speaker 3 Know what we're? Speaker 2 Talking about all of the Epstein file, like, you know, interest has gone down 80% since since since this war stuff, Yeah. Speaker 1 Of course, my God. Speaker 2 And how can he talks about everything in a personal way? He says me, it's like I shouldn't be talking about politics. But like when he talks about he doesn't say my country or my sorry, my people or like us. It's I was personally attacked. I and it's like such a man, isn't he like it's like, or it's like when someone calls themselves the boss. Hi, I'm I'm this person's boss instead of being like we're a team. Speaker 3 I hate the word yeah. Speaker 2 Like I just hate that. I'm like. I would never introduce like. Speaker 3 No, I don't. I'm part of the team rather than yeah, yeah, this. Speaker 2 Is my team. Speaker 3 I've always owned her stuff. Speaker 1 I've always found out of the team, yeah, I've always, yeah, I've always felt one of like the one of the employee employees. Speaker 3 Yep, good job. You did well on that one. Speaker 1 Yeah, we're not working. Speaker 3 Wine hitting. Speaker 1 I know. Speaker 3 Like tomorrow needs to catch. Speaker 1 Lucky we had that Red Rooster. We had Red Rooster. Speaker 3 Chips before we came. Speaker 1 In we had it in the car. Did you Yum? Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, we were kind of like also very like frazzled with the rain and then we'll try to do content and then that made us kind of a bit late and then we're both thinking we haven't eaten today. Speaker 1 We'll get drunk if we get ourselves into. Speaker 3 Chatter. Speaker 2 Maca's at 6:00 AM. Speaker 1 Oh nice. Speaker 2 Since then I've had what's that? Jerky, Jerky. Beef jerky. Speaker 3 Lit we did. We had a fried No. We had a crumbed pineapple piece from Red Rooster. Speaker 2 But that's so good. Speaker 3 No, dude, you've got it so. Speaker 2 Weirdest thing. Speaker 3 It is, but you know what's weirder? Is the fried banana? That they do. Oh. Speaker 2 See, I'd prefer that. Oh. Speaker 1 No. Speaker 3 It's mushy and it's encased in it like it's like a crumb sausage. Girthy as hell. Speaker 2 I love a kind of sausage. Speaker 3 And it's. Speaker 2 Got a dag Roo dog and it's. Speaker 1 And it's very moist. Speaker 3 I don't know, it's kind of making me wanna like pineapple. Speaker 2 Pizza though, I. Speaker 3 Do trust me, please try the pineapple from Red Rooster. And we dipped it in gravy because it's like a sweet and sour kind of vibe. It sounds. Oh, I like sweet and she's never done it. I don't do I? Speaker 1 Had it all over my face. It was very nice. It was everywhere. Yeah. The school, Stan. Yeah. Speaker 3 OK. Personal Insights on ADHD and Episode Wrap-up Go next question please. Now that we're off Trump and the fucking Epstein file's gonna get cancelled. Not kidding. Speaker 1 You have been This is one of my. Speaker 2 So much it was all me. Speaker 3 And Nah, I'm not fair. Cancelled. No, not. Speaker 2 I cancelled. Speaker 1 This is one of my favorite topics. Speaker 3 We've got 15 minutes, so get it. Speaker 1 Out this is really good. So we've been, you've been really open about ADHD and yes, on your social media. Speaker 2 I feel like I haven't been really open about it on my social media. Speaker 3 We're like, yeah, you know. Speaker 1 Is it the times that I watch her story? Is it my my. Speaker 2 Friends so maybe that's. Speaker 3 Why on my? Speaker 2 Actual profile? I think I've maybe mentioned it once, yeah. But yeah. Speaker 1 So how I want to know your input? We've spoken about ADHD a lot. The last episode. We yeah, the last episode dive. It definitely ended in all of that. I want to know what ADHD has been for you in your life and when it all started. Speaker 2 So for me, I, I got diagnosed when I was really young, I was like 10 or something. And back then it was so funny because they told my mom, oh, something she'll grow out of, like as she gets older, she'll grow out of it. You know, they didn't know much about it back then. And also mom didn't want to medicate me. And so I just, I never got medicated. Like that was sort of the end of it struggled so much for school. Like struggled so hard. Couldn't it was so bad that like I couldn't concentrate on, you know, reading the book that was for the the test that we'd have to do or sitting in class. Like I'd always be in trouble with standard ADHD kid. What if I like leave school and everything from then was like the jobs that I did with things like a hairdresser for a bit. And then I went into real estate and like, sales staff and the role that I had after, the roles that I kept doing in jobs were things where you could multitask and get up and move around and change. Chaotic. Yeah, chaotic. And it suited me. And I really wished that I could be someone who could sit down and do something for longer than 5 minutes really. And my brother like if he listens like I apologize but. Speaker 3 We don't apologize. We don't apologize to our family. Speaker 2 He came across as to us like, and I'm sure he felt this way because I did as a kid, but very, not very intelligent. Like, you know, he left school at 10, so grade 10. And then he did, what do you call it, a trade? And then he got into modelling and it was like, oh, good for him. Like he's doing that. Like that's great. Speaker 3 Show us a picture. Speaker 2 And then, and then because he wasn't overly, we didn't think it was overly bright. And then he was later diagnosed with ADHD and went on to study to be an accountant. And I was like, you went to uni and like, you became an accountant. And he's like, yeah, but it was because I'm medicated. Like, yeah. And I'm like, seriously. So, you know, it took 12 or so months for me. And I was 30 before I went to a psychiatrist. And I had my, my diagnosis said, I don't really want to be medicated, but like, I just want to know like, you know where I'm at sort of thing. And the psychiatrist, you know, they do three different tests and he's like, look, tomorrow know that you don't want to be medicated, but I highly recommend it. You've scaled like at the top of everything. And then he like, explained to me that because I got older, like, you start to mask things. And it's like for women, it's so different to men because like, even when telling my dad that I was like, going to medicine, he's like on the medication, he's like, what? You don't need that. You're not hyperactive. And I was like, yeah, it's not just about being hyperactive. Speaker 3 Yeah, there's so many layers to it, and they can. Speaker 2 Come out version anxiety for women depression like. Speaker 1 It's hard to diagnose women. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's all of these other things that now that I'm medicated are so much. Speaker 1 It's like night and day, Yeah, when you get Medicaid, when you're on medication to go to the. Speaker 2 Doctor, I started my business as soon as I got on it. Within three months, I had LXT like it was done, like I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't honestly believe the change. And I think the reason that I don't talk about it on my Instagram is because I see so much of the. Speaker 1 Everyone's got ADHD. Speaker 2 Everyone's got ADHD and it's like glamorized and it's cute and it's like, Oh my, like. Speaker 3 And it explains why you're lacking in so many aspects of your life, or why you haven't. Speaker 2 Yeah, But yeah. And I'm just like, it's really wasn't cute at all for me. It was horrific growing up and thinking like, oh, I'll never be able to go to uni like anybody else, which is why I didn't do it because I knew I wouldn't be able to sit down and study. And I'm like, I really wish that I was medicated when I was younger because now, you know, I'm over 30 now and I'm like, I feel like I can do anything for you. Yeah. Like I can if I put my mind to it. I'm not silly, I just wasn't able to. Speaker 3 A lot of noise. Speaker 2 Yeah, a lot of noise wasn't able to concentrate and life's been so much better. But yeah, like I said, I just, I don't like to talk about it because then I've seen other people on their podcast and then people come in and they're like, oh, you think that you have it and like everyone's got it. Like you just normal like everybody else, like just because you have a little bit of hyperactive. Speaker 3 Yeah, tendencies or whatever. Speaker 2 Else, yeah, which I'm sure some people aren't don't have ADHD, they just think they do because they might. We all have tendencies and we all have some personality hiccups and whatever. Just a few twitch. Yeah, yeah, we all forget our keys sometimes and do silly things. That doesn't mean you have ADHD, but I think there's different layers and any kind of what would you call it, like a mental health or. Speaker 3 I guess you could say it's a mental health disorder, yeah, without it sounding negative because it's yeah. Speaker 1 Like with. Speaker 2 Anything. There's degrees, yeah, of course. And I've, I'm apparently really high up there on that degree. Yeah, she's. Speaker 3 Really high in the degree. Speaker 2 Yeah. So if you're talking about it, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 But but that's the thing though, like, and I talk to Taj about this all the time. It's like because he's, he always asks me about the ADHD because he's got it and he's medicated, but I've just lost my train of thought. Oh yeah, no, but I tell him. Speaker 3 It's because she hasn't taken anything today. Speaker 1 No, I haven't. And you know what? Every time I come to an episode, I don't take my Ritalin on purpose because I don't want to be like. Speaker 3 That's why I have to always go away, back over this. Speaker 1 Week, but I always I'm back. I'm back. I always tell him it is a superpower. If he if we work out together what his zone of genius is and what are the things that he loves doing, then I'm going to help him with that. And then that's the superpower of ADHD, because when you can focus on your passion, most people who have ADHD and they do that, they're absolute geniuses and whatever that is. Yeah. And that's where I want that's I feel like my role as a parent for him. Speaker 2 Any entrepreneur, like, you know, business owner, all of those people, they're all on the spectrum of some sort. It's being on the spectrum, whether it's ADHD, autism, or, you know, any of these sort of learning difficulties in tradition, you know, traditional struggled in traditional. Yeah, the traditional sense, like sense, yeah. Speaker 3 That's the only way that you can. Speaker 2 They all have some kind of sparkle, you know, President Oliver model. They. Yeah, really. Not as neurotypical. Yeah. And neuro spicy. Speaker 1 Yeah, and neuro spicy Taj. Taj has been saying to me lately, he's it's heartbreaking, but he says that he doesn't feel like he's he fits in anywhere because I don't know if you had that when you were a kid, but I had it massively. And so I relate to him every time he kind of expresses something. But he just, no matter what, he just doesn't feel like he belongs or he's meant to be. He's not meant to be at school. He's not meant to be. Yeah, around the people that he's around, like at school does. Speaker 2 He struggle with friends. Speaker 1 Yeah, massively. He is this year. This is the first year that he's struggled with friends. His best friend from last year went to another school and he's just struggled. And that breaks my heart. Yeah, because I want to help him with it. But it's. But when he speaks and like I went through this young because I never was diagnosed until later on and I just it's the same thing. I'm like if I was medicated and was I'm I'm educating him all the time on ADHD. So I'm trying to help him understand, like, what is happening when things happen with him. If I had that when I was young, I wouldn't have come out of school with all of the. I'm stupid. Yeah. I I'm too scared to talk to people in public because who, who's gonna care about what I have to say? You know, like that massive impositive syndrome that comes with undiagnosed children because you just, like, push this up. Just shush, Like, stop, you know, and you're just irritating, annoying. You're in the way, all of that. Speaker 2 All my stuff just hated me at school. Yeah, like. Speaker 1 I had one teacher that took. Speaker 2 Me shut up tomorrow. You just talk too much. Speaker 3 Yeah, you're a class clown. Yep. Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Just would be in trouble. Or that they all hated me. Yeah. Like your parents would just be like, would you kids just stop? Like having two kids with ADHD just like. Speaker 1 Oh my God, too. See, I see the complete difference in Van and Taj. Like you put them in a room and you're like 100%. You clearly see the ADHD when you've got a kid that doesn't have ADHD. He's got none of it whatsoever in him. You see the complete difference. It's pole opposite two kids with ADHD. Speaker 2 I think that's the difference with me and my brother too. Like he's, he's an adult now, but he's still, if he hasn't had his medicine, like my dad will be like, oh, you can tell he hasn't had his bloody medicine today 'cause he will be ridiculous. He will like, you know, go through a door and need to jump up and touch the top of the door and like do this like, yeah, like a 30 year old man like does all these bizarre things and he'll like his jokes are like so crude and he's out there and weird. Whereas for me, I'm like the same person, but like, better at concentrating. Yeah, it's. It's so weird. Speaker 1 Yeah and you wonder what the hell you did with all your time. Like like how the fuck? I wonder how I ran the companies like with I was I wasn't diagnosed until Taj was diagnosed like 2 years ago. So we both went through it together and I had thick cover. Speaker 3 For I remember this when you broke 7 through and got diagnosed together. Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm I have had the hardest time in business trying to get things done like I still have 100 tabs open. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 I'm I'm still liking it. Speaker 2 Doesn't I've seen you know, you do still research every now and again, and I've seen that it actually isn't necessarily what you know it doesn't it doesn't help you with your. Speaker 1 IQ. Speaker 2 IQ no like your form of being able to concentrate and do things better as such, but once you're into like once you've got to be when the medication hits already doing what you need to do and it doesn't necessarily mean that it's like helping you engage in it and like it better. It's just helping you be able to like, drown out everything else you. Speaker 3 Can have it. That's exactly the thing that you need to do, yeah. Speaker 1 And it feels good. You get something done and you're like. Speaker 2 Yeah, 'cause it. Speaker 3 It keeps, yeah. It's like that dopamine reward, yeah. Speaker 2 It will yeah, it it will help you with that dopamine reward that you don't have natural like, you know, you're not naturally getting 'cause that's what it is with ADHD. We don't get the same, you know, hit of dopamine. We're we're like dopamine addicts. Yeah, you know that. Otherwise I would be if I didn't take my medicine I'd be on TikTok like just probably scroll. Speaker 1 My God. Yeah. But we're lucky with fitness, though, because we can move that energy. If you're not medicated, you go and train. You can move that energy. But people who have ADHD, they don't know that they've got it and they're not training. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. Speaker 2 Feeling like I'm a bit too dependent on it now that we're to the point where I can't start my day until my medication sets in. Yeah, it didn't used to be like that. I used to still be able to go to the gym when I first woke up and then like, take my medicine because you have to eat with it. But now I'm like, I have to get up, have my breakfast, wait now for it to kick in and then be able to go. I'm like, I don't know if that's normal. Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm saying that with Taj, he he gets the the school to call me if he has it, if we forgot to give him his medication. Yeah. He's like, he comes out of his class, goes to the office and he's like, could you please call my mum because I forgot to take my medication? Yeah. Then I've got a message. His dad, like if did you give it to him? You know, because if he was at his dad's house. But I still get the phone call, I'm like, I don't want to double him up. Give the kid I. Speaker 2 Remember the psychiatrist saying to me, if you ever forget it one day, it'll just feel like you've like, you don't say you're someone who wears glasses and you don't have your glasses on for the day. You'll still get through the day. It's just a little bit foggy. And I'm like, no, I do nothing. Like if I forgot my medicine like I would be. Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to try sometimes on. Speaker 2 Sundays I don't take it, but. Speaker 3 It's on purpose. Speaker 2 Yeah, because I'm on Vyvanse and it really suppresses my appetite, which I I'm trying to eat so much more. But then yeah, if I don't take it, I'll eat a lot more. So I'm like, oh, Sundays I'll have a break from it and eat. But I feel like I'm, yeah, just so unproductive. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to explain to him. I'm like, you know you don't need it every day, right? Like you're not gonna break. He still have an aging medicine. He's like, oh, I thought I needed it every day besides the weekend. I'm like, no, Bubba. So I was on the phone. I'm like, I'm not coming to drop that. Yeah, medication off. You actually don't need it. The doctor said you don't have to have it every day. So just get through. Tell me how you feel at the end of the day after not being on it. And when he got in the car, I'm like, so how'd you feel? And he's like, yeah, I was good. I was like, see, you don't have to have. Don't call me every time we forget to give it to you because I want him to learn about his body and how he feels because I. Speaker 2 Think. Oh, no. Well, I'll be able to get through this down like I went through my whole life. Yeah. Speaker 3 You're like 30 years. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 It's so. Speaker 3 No, that's that's yeah. That's not a nice anxiety to have, though. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 I used to be like that when I was like with Valium, I'd have to like, always have one in a handbag or like in the car. Jeez. And I was like prescribing dogs. I was like, yeah, going through like, you know, a fucking. Speaker 3 Strip a week. Speaker 2 Maps like, you know, anxiety was this post maps Yeah, but post is after Yep yeah, yeah, like like pretty well, you know, just like just in case there was something that gave me like a little bit of a panic attack. Nothing like that now, but like, yeah, I just like have to have just in case. Speaker 3 Yeah, that's, yeah, a little just in Case Valley. I think we all need a little just in Case Valley and just on the side a little. Do you want to do your closing question? Speaker 1 That was the last one. Speaker 3 Oh yeah, that was it. Yeah, we flew through that hour. Speaker 1 I knew we were gonna. I knew we were gonna divert. Speaker 3 I was like, we're we're like fully like coasting. And I was like, oh, better, better wrap this bad boy up. But OK, yeah, that's what could have gone on all day. I'll see. Speaker 2 You guys next. That was really. Speaker 1 Cool. Yeah, Yeah. Speaker 3 For the next, for the next recording, just because then we'll touch on. Speaker 1 Other things that we have I can't about. I can't wait to see this. Like seeing this the change of the three. Speaker 3 You're our first ever guest first. Speaker 2 Yeah, my first ever podcast. Speaker 3 Pop and cherries all over the nest belly. Speaker 2 Yeah, who knows the feeling? I'm like sweet sweating on my nose it's so weird. Speaker 3 You know what I get like I get like pre recording anxiety and I don't know if it's a habitual thing because I used to get hay fever but now I just constantly sniff. Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm the same. Speaker 3 Yeah, and you'll hear it in the recording and it pisses. Speaker 2 Well, the other thing with the medication is it makes my nose sweaty. It's a weird thing. I get a little beaded like. Speaker 1 Sweats. I've seen that. I think it's very cute. Luckily, you're wearing thick covers. I've seen it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank God. Waterproof foundation. Yeah, been it on you been been a lifesaver. Speaker 2 That's like my insecurity and you're like, I've seen it on you. No, that's why I was. Speaker 3 Going no, I would. Speaker 1 Be that friend. I would tell you if you looked wrong. Oh my God. Speaker 3 If you looked wrong, Yeah, No, If something. No need. Well, thank you for coming on tomorrow. We really appreciate it. Thank you for saying yes to us. Yeah. Because, yeah, it was. We're a bit nervous coming into our first ever guest. I don't think it's because we feel like we're lacking in any way. We just want to do justice to you and whoever we invite into this space. Yeah, thank you. So yeah, thank you so much for coming on. Speaker 1 So I hope that was a good experience. Speaker 3 Yeah, we hope you enjoyed it and. Speaker 2 Very easy, yeah, Yeah. Speaker 3 That's it guys. Speaker 2 Girlfriend. Speaker 1 Love you. Cheers.