"More Like Read BY Jenna" (w/ Jenna Bush Hager)

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Make money on Depop with no selling fees and find what you want for less. We've been talking about Kewpie Mayo for a minute now. And wow, so many of you already love this stuff. And if you're thinking, wait, what is Kewpie? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise. The one with the red cap. What makes it different? Egg yolks. Kewpie is made with egg yolks only, giving it this rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Chefs use it. Restaurants use it. Where chefs work, of course. Food and flavor lovers use it. You haven't tried it yet? Well, find the red cap and see what everyone's talking about, why don't ya? Kewpie. The original Japanese mayonnaise. Kewpie. Kewpie. Look, man. Oh, I see. My, oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes, oh, wow. Las culturistas. Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. Las culturistas in back pain. Well, this one is. I feel so sad for my sister, you guys. He is. And I don't mean to, you know, curry pity? Is that? Curry pity? I don't mean to curry pity. It does. It does sound like. It sounds like too much ending in Y. It's, yes. Curry pity. I'm just gonna go ahead and identify as being in my 40s. Not that people in their 40s all have back pain, but I think I'm on an accelerated track of just, of needing lidocaine and doing stuff. So you've got a lidocaine patch on right now? I've got a patch on now. What happened? Tell the girls. I did what's called a dumbbell good morning. And good night. And good night to all that. Goodbye all that. So what is a dumbbell good morning? Is it one of those things where it's like this? 'Cause this is my favorite thing my trainer does. And this is my favorite thing anyone ever does in the gym. And you're just supposed to do this. Ready? Podcasts are a visual medium. Check us out on YouTube to see what the hell I'm about to do. This. So when there's like, there's two dumbbells right here. And you put it up on your thing and then you go. You hoist. Yeah, you love that. I mean, I love it in theory. But like, it is like when your trainer just like whips you. Whips out like, what did you call that? It's like a, like a. A squat. A squat to press. Squat to press. It's the craziest shit you've ever seen. Well, they're just showing off. I love it. Do you have a straight trainer? Straight male trainer? No. Oh, you gotta get yourself one of those. Gay male. Gay, oh Ian, I know Ian. We love Ian. Yes, we love Ian. Check out his SoundCloud. Hey, check out Bowen's Gay Trainer SoundCloud. And remember, your back probably isn't flat enough when you're doing that back exercise. Sorry, I'm saying this was not under his guidance. I did not get this injury. Oh, this is important to say, disclaimer. Disclaimer. He was, Bowen was completely unattended doing these exercises. I cancel on Ian almost every week. And that's also something that I should be honest about. You are the accountability zone today. Absolutely. He's in his mid forties. He's got back pain. But you know what I've been doing while, whilst in bed with the useless heating pad and these useless lidocaine patches. That might be me, I don't think so, honey, later. Patches. Patches. Um. I've been reading a lot. What have you been reading? Various books. Ursula K. Le Guin. Do you read her? Yes. Okay, hold on. But my favorite thing is my face. I go, well, of course. Well, of course. You would actually gag over Ursula. C.S. Lewis. You would love Ursula. I would gag over Ursula. C.S. She's the- Different. Different. Yeah, different. You know, she's, there's some overlap there. She's great. You'll love our guest today. You will love our guest today. She loves books as well. She has a whole book club. In fact, I go into the Barnes & Noble, picture me there, adrift, I'm walking through not only one, not only two, not only 17, 18, 19 books with the Read with Jenna watermark on it. It might as well be called Barnes & Read with Jenna. No bigger name in books than our guest. And J.B.H. And get this, now crossed over into movie stardom. She's here to promote The Devil Wears Prada 2. She is the star. Yes, she is. She is the star, writer, director of Devil Wears Prada 2. She did it all. No, really, she's got a cameo in the movie, and it made me smile. I love the movie so much. I am so happy for all involved. Yeah. And to top it all off, she's also one of America's most beloved talk show hosts and television personalities. Someone who makes it effortlessly, look effortlessly competent. She is competent, makes it look effortless. Yeah. She's one of two people in the world, in human history, that has been the most successful in the world. Yeah, she's one of two people in the world, in human history, that has been the most successful in the world, in human history, that has been the most successful in the world, in human history, that has been the most successful in the world, in human history, that has been the most successful in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like duh like of course she gave the most incredible performance but you just buy every second of how that character has changed not changed you see so many different shades of Miranda Priestly it's just you know what blows my mind and I was reminded on this press run was that she was supposed to retire around the time of the first movie do you know that she said I interviewed them and she said for the first time she turned down the first movie and then and I couldn't believe it but she turned it down because she was like they're gonna need me for this and they're not paying me enough so she asked for double what they offered her and they and she said yeah they said yes we need you you do you do figure though like what makes that movie it's there's so many things about it that make it iconic but she is the center of why I mean she comes on screen and you're like that's one of film's great characters at least in modern history and probably forever she's so good and she also said in the first one she method acted because like the first she got there and she was like playing around and Stanley's her friend and they were having fun and then she would have to be cold and rude or whatever and she just couldn't do it so she realized like day two she's like I'm not gonna be able to hang out with them and then this time she was like you know what fuck it I'm gonna hang out with them fuck it because I remember when the first movie came out I was just on like Wikipedia and IMDB and like I don't know I think they like kind of glossed over this fact because it is like it is like whatever people think about method in a certain way now but apparently the press in the first one was that like you're describing Meryl was having a little too much fun and then she goes she turns to Anne Hathaway one day like day two of shooting and she was like this is the last compliment I will give you for the rest of the shoot you're an amazing actor I'm so excited to do this with you but that's it this is the only nice thing I'm gonna say to you for the rest of the shoot isn't that amazing she said she that she would hear them like it kind of like was a sad sort of like you know like great Gatsby you know where they see the green light that she would hear them all like having fun together and she'd be in her dressing room like sort of kind of mad because she wanted to make sure there was like this distance between them which was so evident in the film and then by this time she's like she's kind of lost her footing in the second one and so and she's a little bit more grounded as y'all know and whoever's seen it knows I've seen it yeah I don't think he's had the chance his back hurts so bad I have a physical therapist for you because I have bad bad back issues what's do you know what it is yeah I'm afraid and this is personal please but for me at least was it your lower right like in here lower left yes so sometimes it's that your ass muscle is not strong enough you gotta do those things I was doing earlier were you doing it earlier yeah the squat the squat to press no no no it's this it's here so you have to do what's it called the hip flexor the abductor no you have to do like the clam shells the clam shells on all fours it's your hips that need to be straight the hip flexor no I am oh I like where this is like yes right and that's true Becca has back issues she's saying so I'll send you but also it could be that you overuse your quads you have you ever seen his legs they're excellent oh my gosh don't even Matt is so John Cena John Cena looks like a little bitch compared to Bowen that's what they all say but that's you overuse your quads I don't even think it's that I think I just I just pulled something you tweaked it I know but this will help so that you don't pull something God I need a PT so bad looks sounds like and by the way I always take your recommendations because you know who I met through the show who Dr. Dendy oh yeah who's Dr. Dendy Dr. Dendy Engelman hun tell Bowen about tell Bowen and everyone at home about Dr. Dendy Dr. Dendy's on our show she's a dermatologist oh I've seen Dr. Dendy Dr. Dendy Engelman and I can't remember what why but I don't it was the first week I was hosting which was ended up being a really fortuitous week because is that the right word yeah sure thanks guys you know do you read do you read no the answer is no I read you're writing a book you do he has to read can I say something this narrative that I don't read must end no you push it I don't push it you just push it you said that you were in Barnes and Noble you like wandering that's because I usually go to a local bookshop that's right an independent bookshop support your indies that's right or a library you can find me there most days of the week Monday through Thursday I'm probably at my local independent bookstore why did we bring up Dr. Dendy what was the point because I was saying that you but what was fortuitous what was fortuitous was that ended up being an amazing week because I think that's also the week I met the dog Matt Rogers oh yeah that's right oh that was such a good week that's right who got adopted right after right after that which made me so happy and there was a dog Bowen Yang yeah I can still see Matt Rogers the dog because the people that adopted him follow me oh yeah and I follow them back now oh so you can see pictures of him they post all the time I'm essentially I'm the dog's godfather you follow Matt Rogers on insta yes do you ever DM him they kept the name too do you ever DM Matt no I don't well the parents yes because they'll be posting with him it's a relationship but anyway back to Dr. Dendy yes so that was the week that I first guest hosted and I mean remember you she came in to talk about skin care solutions and secrets yeah whatever it was yeah it's like skin care around the world she was so nice and you guys were so warm together and that you were like you have to go to Dr. Dendy went to her got my this done what's this called 11s got my 11s a little Botox right a little Botox I didn't know if I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna you know air your dirty secrets it's not dirty we all need it I'm up front about the work I've had good which has been very little very so little I needed the nose and I got a little in my 11s that's it you look handsome thank you so much so handsome now that the thing is minimalism the dorms are gonna are like well I'm a Botox minimalist I know and I'm like that's so funny that you can identify as someone who like I'm always like I could use a little more but then I think everybody's so scared because we're on TV that all of a sudden I couldn't move my face and my daughter the other day was like mom you know you could probably use a little Botox and I'm like Mila I get Botox this is Mila Mila drags you I know man she really does if you feel like you're like too big for your britches get a 13 year old to hang out with you for a little she's like and your hair highlights like I can see your grays and I and by the way Mila I do by the way I do like change accordingly like I made an appointment and I I just interviewed the queen and I did her introduction and I read her the introduction and she goes it's too much about you mom and then I was like come on Mila woke up at 4 in the morning and I was like it's too much about me she's right she's tormenting you I'm gonna insure she's right it's 4 in the morning I'm like I'm gonna go rewrite this introduction at 4am do you think she actually was right or do you think she just got in your head no I think she was right wow damn and I also think that thought of you know being humble and not making everything about ourselves like coming from a 13 year old I was like you know what if she says that at all then I'm gonna go in there and fix it totally are you as critical with her right now or do I do no see this is I wish you could just skip the teen years I the reason I'm not a parent is because I gotta sit through that part I know well there's the horrible part in the beginning too where they're where they're just little you know screaming the horrible part where they're I guess when they're babies oh horrible just screaming you never know what it is you know our friend just had a baby she's going Sudie Sudie had a baby don't you like I'm like who for some reason I thought it was Dave but Dave just got engaged Dave just got engaged Dave just got engaged and you don't call him Dave you call him what the tomato guy the tomato guy he loves he would love that yeah he loves it Dave the I call him Dave comma the tomato guy Dave comma the tomato guy we had to do this one thing and in fact I saw y'all's mutual friend and I'm like Dave got engaged I saw a scene of Eddie's Eddie's grocer Eddie's grocer and I'm like can you believe Dave got engaged this is what Matt has done to our show he's just infused his busyness into every little part of it I bring the LCU to yes that's right did you ever believe with Jenna and Chanel did you ever believe did you ever believe that you would have this impact on today no his his my family was today's show family I know yeah big time I know it was so fun I mean and it's still gonna happen that's like I just whenever I'm like is Matt available you could sit next to a tree and have chemistry literally he already does I'm tree you're just stumping right now because of your back I'm stiff like a tree she's stumped she's stumped wait what were we just saying though before we got onto that Dr. Dendy oh well yeah you just you're a great connector of people oh thank you how was what was what was interviewing King or was it just the queen yes what the hell was that like I was nervous yeah and we're calling her queen she is that's her title that's her title she was the queen okay I'm just saying I don't know I'm American as hell I thought she was the queen consort I didn't know what that was what the word consort was at all yeah I'm not sure either but it is but now she's the queen she loves books so we were at the New York Public Library but Anna Wintour was there Sarah Jessica Parker it was all these sort of people that love to read and then these authors whom I admire so I was nervous you know and I'm not really used to being nervous but I kind of like it like I kind of like to continue to push myself to feel that you know because otherwise I mean I've been at NBC for 16 years years right so sometimes you can get complacent and be like what is what feels fresh what feels new and so that's sort of like how it felt can i say i went back into the building for the first time last week yes how was it fine and also a little weird yeah and and what you're saying is something that i i guess i'm gonna say i took for granted like you would just run into different kinds of people all the time not even like yeah not even not even like high profile quote-unquote people who would come in i'm just saying like everyone like just the crews and everything yeah all the staffs and like i love that it's an office building i know i love the snl offices were like or the studio was next to the seth meyers office was next to the gym which i work out in every morning i never did it once and every monday that there's a live show i'm like i mean it's kind of gross but there's like i'm like they've used this bathroom i'm not sure for what but like i take a shower and like things are you know all over the place i'm like what who's been in here what who's described i don't know the shower area the shower area has been used wait the towels are all gone you know and it's like did they not use the showers i don't think it's not that's enough folks don't really use it i think it's mostly people from downstairs who come up okay wait have you eaten at the luke's lobster yes i've ate i i didn't know they had a lot i said they've got everything down here i know they do they have everything in the concourse it's actually real culture number eight although i have everything in the concourse a rule of culture number eight number fourteen you don't want lobster on a monday though you know you're not going to get a lobster roll because you've had a long weekend you want a lobster roll you can't start you can't start with what day is best day for a lobster friday saturday yeah you know with like where you feel free yeah yeah well you feel free wait wait you you know what i you know what the concourse doesn't have and i don't know how you feel about this but every day i've been begging for the this is ridiculous they're all gone there's like one on like 34th and lexington like who's going yeah no unless you're going to the train station the sheer amount of options for soup i know they would give i i've never seen anything like it no and i and you have to understand i'm a huge soup me too i love soup so much i actually used to have the soup from juice press which is a strange and it's out it's out of season they stop it summer months that's not because of ingredients well i think because it's you know people don't want something hot when it's warm outside i disagree entirely and anyone that's out there like it's too hot for soup no you just haven't thought of what soup to get exactly you don't have like beef barley in the summer a little mint a little minty kind of pea soup sounds good to me now you're talking too crazy for me are you a gazpacho queen i like gazpacho i'll have it once this summer and i'm like oh i'm good it's too it's too i know what you mean i know what you mean soup just it's see my mom never cooked i don't know about your parents but my mother did not cook so we she would get that bean with bacon soup that was like campbell's which was like basically your sodium intake for the year yeah yeah and open it up but like that with like those saltine crackers with the covered in a little cheese melted in the toaster oven so you like this oh i loved it okay i mean now was it good for me and and probably not just to say we didn't know with bacon we didn't probably not but was it delicious sure would you feed the kids now a bean with bacon i'm not sure that they still make bean with bacon but beans are one of my favorite food groups beans i grew up in texas that's texas i was gonna say yeah beans are beans are texan and they're good they're protein yeah veggie protein you know what always chased me away from beans um yeah the poem was it the poem beans beans they're good for your heart the more you eat the more you fart i just don't like it it's not it's uncouth it's untoward and i've never heard this poem oh god i didn't know you guys beans beans magical fruit the more you eat the more you toot because you grew up in a refined atmosphere the more you toot the better you feel so eat those beans at every meal at every meal oh my god where is is this from the bean council who made this we don't know but we learned it in like third grade same oh i love so frequent tooting i don't feel good like the more you toot the better you feel i don't think no that's not right i'm in a panic about who can smell it why it's happening will it stop all these are beans i mean how did i get y'all here i'm not sure but oh just come along yeah just sit down you're here come on we've invoked the name of texas yes the name we have our guest here and it's a thrill to be able to ask you the central question of our podcast jbh yes jenna what was the culture that made you say culture was for you okay you ready yeah it was 1988 it was the combination of two things it was ann m martin's the babysitter's club reading that logan verse marianne which was kind of like as romantic as you could get you know back in in the 80s and there was like i was like oh maybe i'm not just like a chubby little kid from texas maybe there is romance and entrepreneurship and a girl gang waiting for me entrepreneurship waiting for me like in my you know friend's backyard and we actually made a babysitter's club did you how did it go well not great because we didn't have access to a phone that's a huge part and we were also babies yeah babies babysitting babies babysitting babies i did i babysat yes but like the whole club didn't really get in you know totally and why did we need a treasurer you know like what was a treasurer for i mean i loved claudia don't get me wrong right but then it's that coupled with the same year paula abdul's album straight up but particularly the video for opposites attract with scat the cat yeah dj dj scat dj scat the cat damn scene was that right dj's cat cat it's got cat okay it's definitely scat cat i loved cats i had a cat we go together like opposites attract and also that what's the one that's like oh straight up now tell me you just that album which was a tape for me he had a cassette cassette tape coupled with reading the babysitter's club you said it's time to empower i was like you know what let's go yeah let's go scat yeah let's go scat you had a pop star a cartoon cat and these little girls running a business right that and that's that's who you are yeah i was like i am going i'm gonna take my cats with me wherever i go and i'm gonna take my cats with me wherever i go and i'm gonna take my cats with me wherever i go and i have you are ready to enterprise mango and maizey shout out two cats two cats are you worried that they one time are gonna do what a lot of the cats are doing on reels i suddenly i've been no no those cats are ai am i worried what the cats are gonna do it's like this like footage it's this footage from like night vision cameras where someone is sleeping and they have two cats and the two cats start to like get into it and next thing you know they're flying all around the room having a see i see ai cats on my my i have a different i have a different you mean ai cats the ones that are like they do like the dives off the diving board we we know we're yeah that's no i'm not worried that they're gonna do that i'm not worried about that here's my ai is now all donald trump doing a stank walk down a board during about to the song uh one step at a time by jordan sparks i don't know how it happened well that's a very specific algorithm literally just him walking in it's ai trump walking in heels in hot pink shorts to you know the song other people know because she it's polluting her algorithm because it's so absurd because you're now it's polluting all of ours because our phones are listening and she's she's with him constantly of course and i also and whenever i get it i send it i send it to people melissa so funny i do i i've become that person that sends real memes yeah you're sending memes to people are you getting the kids memes no well they're not on their phones no they don't have thank god for you i'm holding out but don't you feel that you're close i signed wait till eight so mila's close she's 13 she's the last one poppies no poppies 10 no mila's the oldest got it got it got it okay so do you are you when you're referencing the time of when you found paula abdul yes is that around where mila is now no i think i was younger i was like seven or eight okay so nine ten that type of who's her paula mila's paula is olivia rodrigo she loves olivia rodrigo it's her number one i mean she loves sabrina she we went to the eras to her she loves loves taylor um she loves gracie abrams we went to that you know she loves her but for whatever reason olivia rodrigo is her gold love it standard i think it's because she very much is the one you think so i think olivia is the one rising she stands out she's doing something she's in her own lane she has some music that's like a little bit ragier which i think teens want yeah because they feel that sort of angst and they want to you know we like i was like nirvana you know which is not a i'm like we were kind of like i went to what concert pearl jam and i looked up and my tiny little sister who's still really little was like crowd surfing and i was like oh no and she has back problems i'm like you know why you have back problems they dropped you in that crowd surfing but i think teens want like an outlet for some of that shit yeah yeah she provides that i do think that what billy eilish does is a little bit more esoteric yes it's a little bit more like emotional and like in a way that she's um cerebral yes whereas olivia is speaking directly to these emotions in the same way that taylor did yes and i think it's it is a generational thing to me it's about like the the the depth in terms of like billy doing something like subconscious it's tapping into something like like i i love that she's still obsessed with like sleep and like all this stuff yes with olivia it's like this is right on like right on like my sleeve it's it's you you get it you i feel like it's very legible to someone like who's 13 years old 13 years old yes well wait wait hold on paula was that the same album as um a cold-hearted snake or no yes yes a cold-hearted snake look into his eyes uh-oh uh-oh he's been telling lies he's a lover boy and plays he don't play by the rules uh-oh i mean by the way how do we know every word to that song that we haven't heard and it's in here because you know why the cassette is like giving you a sense of place and time yes and you're reading babysitter's club like you're in your room i'm sure it's so vivid yes like now like everything's served up to me in a way and i'm sure it's a function of age like you know neuroplasticity imprinting but i'm like oh i don't this doesn't i'm not gonna remember i know this like the discovery of this new artist in the same way i discover i remember where i was when i discovered driver's license yes i told him on this podcast i was like have you heard of olivia rodrigo he was like no i was like well you might be hearing about it hey bowen point of order it feels like nothing is what it says it is anymore point of answer it's 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right uh that's not the same album okay see this not the same album because she was then trying to prove she could sing right right right because she did and what she did yeah yeah yeah so deep so deep so deep inside so deep so deep inside you see here them you hear the mic go far away yes exactly how many cabinet positions were there in your babysitter's club were you were you treasurer was that what you were saying i think i was i can't remember if i was treasurer or vice president which is also a job you were like trust me vice president is a thankless job i was like guys should we try to go around door to door what should we do here were there four of you it was my sister our next door neighbor robin oxford my mom didn't allow she allowed bean with bacon but she didn't have sweets in the house so we would climb through robin oxford's window and steal her twinkies and such um yeah it was and then it was um a boy and and yeah two boys brothers and we actually painted their little back house we sponge painted it how 80s was that do you remember sponge sorry they were babysitters in the club they were part of our club i don't know that they actually babysat young boys young gay boys in the in the neighborhood you don't know that they babysat well it was a club i'm not sure they actually babysat i did you did but were there four position of president robin my sister barbara did i mention her i hope so yes me and then sissy sissy there were five of us secretary treasurer vice president president president and probably surgeon at arms surgeon at arms surgeon at arms well i was gonna say i don't know what a surgeon at arms does but neither something because in the babysitter's club there were four of them right yes and i'm i was gonna say like right stacy claudia um christy marianne oh no there were more than four wasn't there and don and don because don moved from california did you ever read the baby i read a couple because so my contraband growing up as a little closeted boy was just sneaking into my sister's room and stealing her books yeah and i would did you read judy bloom i didn't read judy bloom but you know you know what the big standout like thing that i hid under my bed was was sister of the traveling pants yeah i was like i can't have anyone find i can't have her find my parents would see and be like that's weird but she would immediately be like you're gay you're reading a girl's book yeah but i god like isn't that oh i love like a book that you're not supposed to read you I know, you know. Yes, and honestly, even when Judy Blume gave me Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret, which is Mila's real name, I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to give that to Mila. And she said, you can't give that to Mila. You can't give it to Mila. She doesn't want a recommendation from her mother. Hide it somewhere and let her find it. And I think it's so right. Kids need to be empowered to find their own sort of way. Nobody gave you that book. You discovered it. And there's something really empowering about that. Well, then you are in the business of telling people what to read, Jenna Bush Hager. What's that about? That's heaven. Oh, yes, yes. It really is. You love it. I love it so much. And our mission is really to highlight newer voices. It's really hard. I mean, y'all are writing a book. It's really hard to be published. It's really hard to be seen. Not all authors historically have been published, you know? And so I think representation really matters. And finding authors who are just starting their way. But I think it's such a lesson in, like, if you love something organically, you can kind of make it part of your work. Like, y'all are doing this. You're sitting around with your best friend. I know. Having conversations. Heaven. Like, doesn't that feel like heaven? It feels so nice. Yeah, it really is. It's like, I think we take it for granted, too, as, like, a thing that's given us so much and we're able to do. I do think, though, that what you're able to tell from Read With Jenna, and maybe people can tell from this, is that we genuinely enjoy doing it. I always feel like, I think Amy Poehler said, like, if you're having fun, they'll have fun. Yeah. Something so, like, key to remember. And I really, what I love about Read With Jenna, and I asked you this when I was co-hosting with you, because I've been there a few times when you've debuted your pick, and just how strenuously and how much you really do care to make that selection. You don't just read one and think, oh, this'll do. Like, you read a lot, and then it's. I'm reading all the time, but that also is such a gift, you know, to get to do that. But it's very time-consuming. It is. Like, you're already a really busy person. I mean, I read all the time. But, like, also, how fun is that, you know? And there's, I mean, I can listen to books and Speechify is this app that I'm obsessed with. Oh, yeah, people love the Speechify. It's really helpful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, if you have to read something quickly, you can Speechify that. Do you, I, for some reason, I'm so, I'm so weirdly picky with what makes it to the audiobook stage, because it feels like something that's, like, easily absorbed. Like, dense fiction can't beat it for me. I don't know why. What's your process? Well, that's why I have to be able to see it and listen at the same time. Oh, you do both. But, like, yeah, I rarely just listen to audiobook. Right. Because it's, I mean, this is also, like, such a lucky thing, but I start to get sleepy because my parents read to me before bed when I was little. So even, like, if I'm driving or something, like, hell no. Because I kind of want to just, like, that's it. Totally. So I have to be able to, like, read it at the same time. Of course. I find that the way audiobooks are performed really matters. Well, I mean, when we think about, like, Tom Lake, which our queen Ann Patchett wrote, but Meryl Streep read it. Exactly. That, to me, it's like, if you can have those moments, or you, Lena Dunham was on the show. Yeah. I'd love to listen to her read her own work. We do it in the car, Melissa and I, and it's so, it's her. She's just a funny person telling her own story. Yes. Like, Mariah Carey, we always say. It's the best audiobook. One of the only book clubs we ever did on this was we did Mariah for the meeting of Mariah Carey, and just the way that she informs the stories with her voice, it made me feel like this is a whole other dimension. And I said to Bowen the other day, like, for our book, I'm so excited to read it. Yeah. And give it that dimension, because in a way, it's a whole other project. Yes, it is. It's like the performing of it and the storytelling of it, which is kind of, you know, like, that's the original art form. Yeah. Wait, this new one I want to read, Call Her Unknown? Yeah, Call Her Unknown. Is this the first thriller in a while? It's the first thriller. I've only chosen two thrillers before. One is called All the Colors of the Dark, which is so good, and I wish I'd brought you books. No. It's so good. It's like if Room, which maybe you've read, and To Kill a Mockingbird, because it's about, like, this friendship and a small, but it's also this kind of thriller. It's so, so good. I rarely choose thrillers or mysteries. How come? But I don't know. I love them, but I do feel they become slightly formulaic. I got you. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Like, I can kind of be a detective, and I'm like, wait, this is, you know, I know where this is headed. So I think things that feel fresh and interesting or have another dimension to it, I'm into. Yeah. Are you like that with everything? Kind of. Yeah. The stuff that you can get ahead of, you're like, eh, not for me. Sort of, and I kind of, I'm like, I pay too much attention to, you know, like, they're like, Chanel will be like, how did you know that they were going to surprise us with that person? Once you know, you know. I'm like, my ears were open. It's kind of like when you're a huge fan of reality TV. Yeah. Like, you realize, like, for example, Survivor. Yes. This season is Survivor 50, and so it's like a huge season that a lot of people are watching, and a lot of, like, if you're a fan of the show, you'll probably go on your YouTube landing page, and then there's, like, a whole bunch of people that talk about it, and they're like, oh, this person's going to win. They're getting the winner's edit, and you're like, oh, God, the winner's edit. Once you see it, you can't unsee it, and it's like in a movie now. It's like once you see something mentioned, you know it's going to pay off. Those are just the rules. I know. So that's like the other side of being a huge fan of something is that you then become someone who's ahead of it without wanting to be. I know. You just love it so much that you know the formula. So sometimes you have to ask yourself, am I just someone who's very learned about this thing, or is this not surprising? Like, am I the problem? Exactly. Do you love reality TV the way he does? I love it. I don't. I'm not as expansive in the way that Matt is, I feel. Matt? Like, do you have a preferred show? I love my Survivor. Yeah. I love my Housewives. We love Housewives. Yes. That's basically it. But Housewives across the board? Pretty much. We love Traitors. We love Traitors. Yeah. And that's basically it. I'm kind of like, I'll watch, I'll try it. You know what? You know what I watched? The Age of Attraction on Netflix. What's that? No one knew how old anyone was, and then they all met up, and they did a reveal. Did that work? Um, no. It's a little upsetting. Well, it's also, it is, and who really gives a shit? Do you know what I mean? Thank you. You think. It couldn't hook me, because I was like, I don't care that she's 19. And they're like, yeah. Yeah, but here's the thing, like, that's, I think, the point, is it's like, you're like, oh yeah, who cares? And then the family comes in, and, this is revealed. And that's, and then this thing about, because it is an interesting depiction of the way you perform on a date, about like, because I don't know how y'all felt, or you felt when you were dating, or like how you, how like we feel now, but it's kind of like, in the initial stages of dating, you definitely are, whether you want to or not, you are performing, and you're saying things are permissible that actually they're not. And it's just funny to watch in a, in a truncated, you know, reality television program, just how quickly, oh, that thing you said wasn't a big deal ended up being a big deal. That thing you said about yourself ended up not being true. And I appreciated this big thing of age, being like, of course it's just a number. And then seeing people's like, real thoughts, insecurities, insights about that, actually ended up being kind of interesting as a social experiment. Yes. I mean, and it's true. The beginning is so performative. You're like, I don't care that you're 79. What you order. Like, think about what you order at dinner. It's so different than what you would order 20 years in. You're like, I'm not going to eat the spaghetti. You know, it's like now you're like, pass me the spaghetti. You know, it's like crazy. I think it's a baller move when someone on a date is like, I'm going to have pork chop soup. I'm getting soup. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to slurp in front of my guy. But not salad, because I don't want to get the lettuce in my teeth. I would not be so bad. If you can't sit there and watch me slurp, we have no business continuing. Do you remember what you ordered? Don't you love how Matt can find his camera anywhere? Matt could be like, Matt could be like in like four rooms away and he'd find that camera. Do you see me? Do you catch me finding the camera? Oh, hell yeah. And sometimes you say, where's my camera? He knows. It's rhetorical. Were you the type of little kid that when you would go out to dinner or be in an elevator, you'd look in the mirror? Me too. Can't you see baby? My mom says that. My mom says that. So when she, when I was little, she would cut hair in the house. And of course, like she had like a little, a little room for her salon. And so I'd go in the room and talk to her clients that were in the chair, but just staring at yourself. Can you see it? Can I say something? Yes. We're on Zoom a lot recently. Stop it. This is so mean. And he's just, well, just, just, just, just, just the first log on. He doesn't do it the whole time. What's the first? What does he do? Hi, hi, hi, everybody. Hey guys. Just like kind of primping, primping on Zoom, you know? That old chestnut. Everyone does it. That old chestnut. I'm not primping on Zoom. Hey, hey everybody. I'm just seeing myself. There I go. Oh, this needs a little adjustment. This needs a little, maybe I need to smile a little bit more. All right, here we go. We all do it. He's here. We all do it, but some of us like it more than others. I'm getting red. Red with Jenna. Red with Jenna. - Red Biden, more like Red Biden than the title of that book. I love that about you you remind me of like a little Disney prince he does I was like I feel like I've told him that before which is weird you do say it maybe twice a month that's so sweet I love it it's true you're handsome and you're like oh my god goofy goofy foofy no I don't want to leave first of all that was not where I was going I just mean like no stop we love ya thank you guys so listen I do have a question for you which is like sometimes I'm there and like it's such a natural thing at the show to be like oh okay and coming up next it's this person how often are you gagged how often are you like oh no and then are you really grateful to have someone sitting next to you like freaking out because the person is there I mean we had Goldie Hawn today wow that's amazing and it's amazing but I will say most of the time everybody is super kind you know and so it sort of lives up to your but I'm definitely a team like I want a teammate you know I would not want a solo show because I like to be part of I like to play off somebody I like to laugh with somebody before the show even starts I like having somebody to like I mean you know Hoda I loved Hoda so much I still love Hoda I see her all the time I talk to her all the time it feels really good to be in the community you know like I don't want to be solo by myself because then I really would there'd be pressure there because then that feels like a date where you're a first date where you're performing something about yourself where you're like I want the spaghetti I want the spaghetti and you can eat spaghetti when somebody like Hoda is next to you you can eat spaghetti all night right and if you're solo it would feel it does feel a little bit harder to eat spaghetti when you're solo because then you're like oh god like there was no one next to me eating it too who was the week where you like we had Kelly wait no was it well I've been lucking out a lot I had Kelly Clarkson and there was somebody else that we were you were like gagged was it Reese we had Reese on the show and then Reese came in and I was like oh my god I get to hang out with Reese twice and the Real Housewives of Rhode Island gagged you that was fun we actually chatted and changed the date of that so that Matt could be there oh my god y'all love him we do that's amazing and I needed his expertise of course did you end up going to Coachella with that woman yes I didn't see her in any of your pictures with Kelsey Swanson we went to Coachella with her Kelsey I didn't mean to call her that woman no no no no no no no I just there's something about the way you phrase things that is so did you end up going to Coachella with that woman no it's you order spaghetti but I didn't see her in y'all's photos no we were in photos with her we were in photos it's fine we posted a couple but like the thing was like you know I also didn't want to like here's the thing I know I was sensitive to them and I was actually telling them this because they came in the Rhode Island women and they sat down there was more than just there was more than her no I'm talking about in the moment of interviewing them on the show they were nervous we walked over and literally I think it was Alicia was just like I mean this is crazy this is a today show this doesn't get any bigger than this this is wild I can't believe you guys do this all the time this is crazy this is amazing this is absolutely insane I can't believe we're here they were like we're nervous what cameras do we look at where do we Matt's like that's your camera right there and I go no that one's mine don't take that one that's not yours but anyway like I was just like kind of telling them in so many words I was nervous for them because I was like I know how intense it's gonna get and they were nervous too yeah they were there's some sort of divide and so that's why I wasn't like she was I knew she was coming to Coachella but I didn't know how she'd react to because I don't think you know how you're gonna react did people know who she was not there I think a couple people came up and were like are you Kelsey from Rhode Island but it was like the first week after it didn't really like stick at that point now I feel like she's very much a protagonist of the show when you're walking around with Bowen Yang they tend to catch him first I'm not sure about that I felt like I was pretty incognito that's good because it's more fun to be like well and also those music fests like you're right people are looking every direction yeah yeah yeah did y'all have fun so much fun we always have fun I will say this we were a little salty because we went the first weekend and then the second weekend it was like Madonna came out I know and Olivia Rodrigo came out Billie Eilish was there but you had oh yeah Billie Eilish came out with Biebs the second weekend the second weekend too I thought why was that all the great stuff in the second weekend I thought the first weekend was supposed to be the big one I think they're flipping it this year I think the first weekend is now more the creator's influencer heavy time and maybe people want to avoid that I don't know there's a whole bunch of reasons it seems like the artists are not shy about saying weekend one has a reputation for being not good because it is a lot of like what I was clocking was that they were feeling like the audience wasn't into it and I think it's because the first weekend is a lot of influencers like they're filming that's what the buzz I've heard amongst like what the artists say is that weekend one doesn't feel as good as weekend two okay well next year y'all better books weekend two that's what we're gonna try but also it's like come with us I would come with y'all really? I mean I'm a little scared of like where you use the like I just like lines bathrooms are tough did you get home super super late? yeah I would say like a sensible 1230 oh that's not bad it's not bad no Adam Scott was on our show you know Severance and he was saying that he couldn't get home to like five in the morning was he there? he went with his daughter love it he said it was co-hella co-hella you know it's just it's very it's very sort of arcane esoteric the first time you figure out how to leave and then once you know oh so I need to go with y'all because y'all have your roots down yeah exactly what but Jenna you know you know you're a tease you're a tease because you say you want to come to the culture awards well I don't think I'm nominated this year well I don't know after three years of promising attendance I don't think I'm not I watched all the awards this weekend and I'm pretty sure I'm not nominated okay so first of all there's another half of the nomination recording this will have to come out so I don't know I don't know it's the kind of thing where if you show up you might go home with something I'm not nominated it's not your year he just told me it's not my year you're a winner see this is the thing about you Hollywood types I was told I'm Susan Lucci Susan Lucci never won no she did she did win I think it was her 17th try but also she was nominated I wanted 17 tries I'm sorry who's getting the today's show award for excellence in the morning it doesn't exist this year it's not a category you told me that was an iconic one like the Alison Williams cool girl award that one's coming back when I saw that but the today's show morning excellence isn't there I guess it's been won by the best already look we're well I guess I can't make it I did love that about Devil Wears Prada too though I was you know oh I know I was it was a very realistic portrayal I felt of what would happen to those characters where they would be not then this is beyond just Miranda but also the industry and the vibe even the end the way it ends is sort of a happy ending for them but it's it's kind of bleak I know in the way that if you really think about it I know you know yeah I mean there's it would feel so dishonest if it was still the glitzy sort of like unfettered thing well and that's she said this Meryl Streep and it's so true she said that they wanted to do a sequel like nine years or like it was like three years and then nine years and it never felt like the right timing and that this part of it that obviously you know magazines and publishing are having a really hard time but also journalists are needed for it more than ever to hold the powerful accountable so all of that made it really interesting to dig into and not just like oh here's another sequel and I actually think that's what really worked about the film it felt very motivated it didn't feel like oh we're making this sequel just to have a Devil Wears Prada 2 even if that was the initial idea yeah because I'm sure I'm certain that they were just like oh dollar signs like let's do it but they also said that like the actors wanted to see the script to make sure that there was yeah because you don't like you know what it's worse than doing a movie that like you know everybody's been anticipating just for the money it's like everybody hates it I know and that's more often than not yeah which thank god it's not one of those cases Aline Brush McKenna is one of the great screenwriters and now a vital break from our sponsor Vital Proteins you know the blue tub you've probably seen everywhere that's Vital Proteins collagen peptides now why use that because they're the experts the number one collagen brand in the US I'm talking about ingredients backed by science and shown to be effective I mean when we hit about age 30 our bodies naturally produce less collagen and collagen has a lot of benefits a lot collagen peptides are a simple wellness supplement that supports healthy hair skin nails bones and best of all joints and it's easy to use add a serving to whatever you're already drinking morning coffee afternoon tea daily smoothie weekly whatever I use is Vital Proteins Collagen every morning. 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That is very you. - Yes, and you know what? - That is very you. - You know what was kind of- - He loves kind of a quilt. - Melissa, my stylist is always putting me in a quilt. - Yeah, you love a quilted look. - A shacket. - You love a shacket. - Yeah, I love a shacket. - What's the shir? - Shirt. - Shirt, oh. - A shirt and a acket, or a shirt and a jacket. - Shacket. - Yeah, a shacket. - Yeah, she was wearing like a- - Patchwork quilt. - Like a patchwork quilt dress, and what was a little bit, I don't think so, honey, for me, was in the movie, she's like looking at things to wear, and she sees this dress, and we don't see it as the audience yet, but Stanley Tucci is like, "No. "That's inappropriate for this event. "You're not wearing that, no. "And if it gets a stain on it, no." And then she's like, "Oh, I want it." And he's like, "It's not appropriate for this event." - I know. - And then she puts it on, and gets on the bus, and goes out to Hamptons, and I'm like, "She looks the chicest there." - I know. - What do you mean it wasn't right for the event? - They did say, like, 'cause I was like, "Well, what about styling?" You know, it's like the devil wears Prada. The costume is probably more important than anything. - Hamptons, easy, casual chic. - That's what they, they said, "Do not dress up." Like, and if you notice, even Meryl was wearing, like, a button-down shirt and like these pants. - I loved everything about her aesthetic, and one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie was her a little bit wine drunk, in the kitchen. - Yes. - She gets, like, a little win, and she's, just the way that Meryl was playing Miranda Priestly's Joy. - I know. - I was like, "That's such an interesting. " - 'Cause you didn't see it. - 'Cause you don't see it very much. - But it did get me thinking about, like, yeah, that is the way that that woman would feel joy, the way she, like, she sort of says something to Anne Hathaway, and then she, like, - And she pours herself a little rosé. - She pours herself a big glass of rosé, and then, like, floats out of her kitchen in her, like, tailored shirt, and I'm like, "Damn, Meryl, like, killed it." - But she was just in, like, a button-down, and, like, they said to keep it. You know, did you notice how many ties there were in the film? - Ties are back. - Ties are back. - You look very handsome. - Thank you. - I wore a tie in the third grade, and I made my cat a matching tie. - Shut up. - Don't say I'm not talented. Melissa. - Your own little, your own little scat cat. - My own little scat cat. - Your own little DJ MC scat cat. - His name was Cowboy, and he wore a little tie, and I had the matching tie, and I, even, and I will try to, I will show you this photo when we're done, went to the White House in a mustard yellow shirt, from the Limited, to a tie and a skort, a matching skort to the tie, which was just really a look. The mustard and the tie. - Wasn't that the first skort in the White House? - I think that might have been the first skort in the White House. - I bet you John Quincy Adams wore a skort. - Which presidents were gay? What do, what do, what do, what do people that are in the know. - I don't know, do you know? - Well they say Abe Lincoln was gay. - They say Abe Lincoln. - Oh, well because of O'Mary? - Well no, they said. - Before O'Mary was also. - O'Mary in the Abraham book. - In the, in the, his roommate, you know. - Yes. - In Illinois or some such. - Yes, yes. - Yeah, but Abe probably. - All bottom. - Yeah, well Marfins, Marfins syndrome. - No, that would be, well that would be the opposite. Marfins makes you small. - No, Marfins makes you long. - Really? - Yeah, Abe had it, for sure. - You know, Abe had Marfins syndrome. - No, seriously. - Made him so long. - How tall do you think Abe was, 6'8"? Anybody Google? - Wait, didn't we see, we went to the Brooks Brothers and they had, they had a recreated Abe Lincoln suit. - How tall was he? - Tall. - At the Brooks Brothers. How tall was his recreated? - I think he may have been like 6'2", which at the time was like. - Well that sounds that tall, guys. - Right, but at the time. - At the time. - 6'4". - 6'4", that's my husband is 6'4". - So at the time, that was like seven feet tall. - Okay. - 5'6" was the average. - Yeah, there you go. - 5'6" was the average, okay. - So you're talking about the President of the United States being almost a foot taller than everyone else. - Yeah, interesting. - Cuckoo. And a gay guy? - I don't know, I don't remember Henry being that tall. - He's tall. - Listen. - Was that the first thing you noticed? - I like it, yeah. - You're like a tree. You gotta climb a tree. I know you. Tigress. - Change your hours so you can swing a little. - You guys, even if I changed my hours, I'm too tired to swing. I mean, honestly. - You have reading to do. - I have reading to do. And also, I don't, I mean, I'm not gonna go there, but the people that I would have to choose to swing with. - Was it like your neighbors in Connecticut? - No, thank you. - No, thank you. Come on. Jenna, you're so fun. - You really are the best. - No, like honestly, I'll never forget the day we first met you and Hoda. You hadn't met them before. - My, no, 'cause it was Hoda and Maria Shriver. We hadn't met Jenna. - Oh my God, yes. we were on Maria was in your spot oh she's a queen too I love Maria Shriver so much yes what a legend she's so wise but the first time we met Jenna was the same time was when what you're describing yes yes yes and I remember this is when you had your length you've kept the bib bob since you I need to cut it again though so you're loving it I love it I loved it it's easier to keep it short I think this is your look we had an original draft of this bob sketch on SNL we had your name in it we did Leslie Bibbs and Jenna Bush Hager in it too you cut me I'm sorry out of the bob sketch no it was because listen you made it into the worst product too you won it's fine you're winning why did you we showed that I know you did and I wanted to text you and be like your name was it was like we answered to Leslie Bibbs and Jenna Bush Hager who cut me no it wasn't it was not a cut it was like it was between dress and hair it was like okay we gotta lose like a minute from this or whatever I made it to the dress rehearsal stop that's usually when Lauren steps in that's when Lauren steps in Lauren said who the fuck is Jenna Bush Hager I don't think many people know who Jenna Bush Hager is are you kidding me well he knew about you back in the day when he used to make fun of your ass I know do you know that Amy Poehler played me yes but do but you but think about that but do you think it's taken a long time to shake off the Captain Morgan and tequila thing because that's not fair you never drink it that way no I didn't drink Captain Morgan and tequila together no I mean do you know that there was a I was there was some cover of a magazine that called me gin and tonic gin and tonic oh come on did you like that I didn't really no of course not when I was 19 and 20 years old devastating I did not like it but I will say as a 44 year old like thank god I had parents that let me make mistakes man I was actually thinking about that the other day when I was thinking about like you were coming on the show and I was like this is someone who even I as like a you know 10 year old I knew who you were and this is pre-social media but like which thank god yeah well I was thinking about you with that too I was like can you imagine if you were 18, 19, 20, 21 years old when your father is the president and also like is a polarizing figure and that gets transmuted to you and all the media is harping on is you know wild child party and that had to be were you shielded from that or was it impossible to be no I was not shielded from it at all because I was in college like there was nobody to shield me you know what I mean but I think no I mean it was definitely hard I also think oh well like people like if that's my you know resilience that I had to fight through like people have a lot worse and I mean that but also it's like you know I think the media sort of held like they kind of underrated me or understood I mean Chelsea had it bad too definitely and then by the time and I'm glad we Malia and Sasha were there there was this sort of like rallying cry I mean Barbara and I wrote an open letter in the Wall Street Journal which basically was like leave them alone yeah they're young too let them be kids but they were they were kids kids yeah and then by the time the second you know then they were like in college like we were and I think you know I just think there has to be some sort of we don't know we didn't choose it you know and in fact when our dad told us he was going to run for president we broke into tears did you like say please don't we said you're going to ruin our lives which we've apologized about yeah but you know what you have every right to say we told him he was going to lose you genuinely thought he would we were like fine you're going to lose you can run but you're going to lose but I mean that we I think what it goes to say is like we had parents that wanted us to have normal a normal life and people when Barbara and I like walked down the street in New York people are like we love y'all y'all are so normal and that I think is a compliment you know we'd rather hear like y'all look great or whatever y'all look so great but doesn't this give you like such great perspective with Mila and Poppy and now it's like you well I also just think all kids like you look at the pressure that's on teenagers now to go to the school or to like you know do the thing or to make it in some way and and like get the great grades it's like none of that really at least in our house I'm like I want happy kids who are kind like that's all you know and I think my parents did not there was no rule book like when I went to like court when I got that minor in possession of alcohol I wore like pants like this I didn't know and my toe ring and like nobody was like you need to get dressed up because you're expected to be this person it was like no you're yourself and that includes making go to court toting it off I mean make mistakes and I don't know I mean it's not like things could have been way worse it's like yeah social media could have been a thing at the time it was not easy but also like I have the thickest skin ever now and I look back at that Amy Poehler Tina Fey skit and it's hilarious it is funny especially when you realize like it had nothing to do with you no well also they're speaking in like a twin drunk language I don't know which like Barbara and I only wish we could do do you know what I mean and how different my life really is than how it was portrayed it's also hilarious I know that is funny there was one time in college where we were watching Dawson's Creek and I get a call from Katie Holmes to come she wanted to come and like shadow me at Texas for first daughter and I was like you guys she would be like wow your life is so lame Katie Holmes like oh no you're going to the library to like stay up all night and write your English paper you know like I just was like you don't want to come shadow me you know we're not doing body shots on a Tuesday so no I didn't call her back so real though while you're watching Dawson's Creek it was weird that's crazy it was weird like I was like guys is this what's happening here wow it was odd do you think that there was anything about because obviously when you're you know you're in the public eye in that way you did not choose and then several years later obviously you choose to go on this path of being in the public eye do you think that was a genuine interest and attraction to wanting to be on air and having that having that influence and impact or do you think a little bit of it was like I actually want to correct a perspective that maybe they have on me no I mean I don't think like I don't who knows subconsciously like I don't would have to like really sit with like my shaman and go deep there no I think I was on the show for a book that I wrote and then I wrote a book about the national parks with my mom and I was on again and it was the executive producer kept coming to me like I was like no I was a teacher I was like I love my job and I taught in inner city Baltimore and it was honestly so hard that I was like maybe I should go take this job interview you know like what and I was a little performer like I wanted to be baby because that and Les Mis but I like couldn't sing you know I wanted to be I wanted to be a performer so I think like my my sister's like it makes sense you like to make people laugh but I wouldn't like have pursued the job myself but in a way like you already knew that you could be in the public eye and this is a this is like a a modular thing where now it's on your terms you know like I mean I think it has was helpful yeah that all of this happened when I was so young yeah because there I do other people are like I read the comments I like I would never read the comments there's I have a really good way of like compartmentalizing my work and sort of the stuff that comes with it and like my actual life and the people that I love what's real and you know and so there's I don't I don't get caught up in like the that part of it do you know what I mean 100% I think this is the thing that like Mila and the kids like should really go forward with not that you're not already doing this but I'm like you know what you know what like weirdly gets me is like the it's the performance now of like opening up your college I know acceptances I know everything has to be like for the everyone else and everyone else like they should and then and it makes all these other people feel like terrible you know and it's so interesting because when we were in high school my sister won like the math competition in Dallas she was she is exceptionally smart but she also like she missed one math problem on her SAT she was this incredible student and I I love to read you know other side of the brain I had a different side of the brain and I was funny and I was fine and my parents did not compare us like they weren't like well you know if she did this so Barbara gets this perfect score on the SAT and I read somewhere that Stanford has like a twin policy that if one twin gets in the other one gets in or they both was that a real thing yeah and they may still have it but this was like you know in 2000 or one gets you know doesn't get in the other one won't get in so I read this and I'm like great news like family look what I read I can ride Barbara's coattails all the way to Stanford I can get into Stanford and still be myself yes and it was like the opposite of the college admission scandal my dad was like hell no don't ruin Barbara's chances oh no like he was like no like but I think I was like you're right you're right you know and there was like in the early arts. nobody i didn't care like she went to gail and i went to the university of texas and it did not matter you know that's good though because honestly that was that was not our experience um i at least i didn't write it for myself i would say that when we were in high school the pressure peak millennial thing of like who's gonna get into the best school yeah like i remember not one person in my entire high school got into an ivy league school and we all felt like well it's like equal parts like we're all duds so that sucks but also thank god not one of us is gonna get in so that we all feel like idiots comparatively yeah you know what i mean we didn't have like the social media to make it a thing there was no i also went to a big public high school in austin you know like and it might have just been like their most people stayed local like there wasn't barbara was sort of the outlier you know well a few years after we would go to school would become the prevailing narrative that you don't have to go to this school just because it's reputable and expensive yes well i but i feel like there is such pressure on children and on teens to like for what you know like why it's like you guys found your best friends like many of whom i know because of matt has brought them and like you found your family you found yourselves like that matters yeah so your school choice mattered yeah but i i feel like the the sort of rat race to excellence because it's all so public is like what what is that for is it for finding your purpose for finding your joy then like sure but if it's for like showing off that you got into this great school it bums me out yeah it's a bummer for me because it's like asian immigrant parent or just those communities throughout the country like at that time were purely about the achievement and the elitism of these things and like now it just seems like it's writ large and it's just sort of blown out of hand i don't know if it's true but i think it's true i think it's true i think it's out for everybody yes you know and was that did that feel hard yeah yeah definitely like oh my god i remember getting into nyu and then going back going to china to see family and like i was in the other room sleeping and then like in the next room they were like my my dad's side of the family they all grew up farmers they like most of them were uneducated and even they i ever hear i ever heard them saying well bowen just gone to a school called ny like nyu and it's it's not even that good it's not even like the top 10 schools or whatever and my heart's thinking i'm like oh it doesn't even measure up to these people who like yeah didn't even get to go to college and like they must feel a certain way about it and i'm like oh right like this is glow it's a global thing where you like end up going to college within like this specific arrangement and it's also all branding yeah but like also thank god you went where you went and you found your people and your passion which is the way they were branding stop it schools like ours i know so that we could feel attractive to people who yeah you know it's so ridiculous it was it was ridiculous but speaking 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something about devil wears prada too it's my one problem with the movie and i i do want this question answered it is a little bit of a spoiler so if you haven't seen devil wears prada too yet you can skip my i don't think so honey and probably the minute or so after it okay great this is matt rodgers i don't think so any time starts now i don't think so honey the end of the movie the devil wears prada too it's a scene with anne hathaway and meryl streep and anne hathaway now works for runway and she puts something on the desk and meryl says is there anything else and then anne hathaway says nope and i just think i don't think so honey that she didn't say that's all that's all why wouldn't you end the movie with that's all and then i think 30 seconds and i i don't think so honey if this happened it must have been in the script and either anne was like no i think that's meryl's line and didn't say it i can see anne hathaway being like that or maybe meryl was like giving someone else my line in character i don't know but it didn't happen there was not enough that's all in the movie otherwise a perfect movie i was just like it was right there we could have ended the movie with the iconic line i don't think so honey that we didn't not that i don't think so honey the movie because i do think so honey just that part i don't think so and that's one minute don't you think do you agree with me do it i agree with you although i bet meryl saw it and was like too cliche no like but it's so funny because i thought it was going to end that way too i'm like sure well of course so then maybe this is the thing where they expect the audience to get ahead of it exactly and they are subverting the expectations exactly and it breaks the cycle of you what you would think now that andy is at runway she would inherit this thing and yet she's choosing to break the cycle i agree i just feel like had she said that's all turned out and went away and you could have left you could have ended it on meryl with that half smile that she did in the first movie and i loved the last scene the the tracking away of them all in the three offices. beautiful was that i mean the movie was fantastic but that last scene was so we were we said that i watched it with savannah and hoda and we said where you could see all of the people in the new it makes you fall in love with why we live in the city you know i love a shot like that just like leaving the characters that we love in process because you know they're still that was one of my favorite things about the way the movie fire me too oh that it leaves us on the dock like that i was like oh they're still there and i just loved that um and another thing i love from the movie was emily blunt goes have you heard of christmas i was like that's my line have you heard of christmas no i don't think she heard the album do you think she heard the album and then she i bet she she sent it to elaine brosh mckenna yes she heard jenna bochega walk out the building yes she went let's get jenna you're the reason i am in the devil anyway okay this is bowen yang's where's my phone here you want mine yeah this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey is he ready with one yeah it's gonna be a bummer it's gonna be a bummer but it's okay his back hurts even as he's getting ready oh no i'm afraid it's about his back this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so honey what are the patches supposed to be doing i don't believe that the skin is absorbing whatever the medicine is you gotta take it by mouth i think all medicine should be taken by mouth or iv i think on the skin is kind of a sham sure whatever as long as there's an opening as long as you're you're breaking through you're puncturing whole oh i don't think so honey topical topical anything analgesic whatever i think it has to i have to ingest it in 30 seconds it literally has to go into my veins i've got too much dermis the three of us have too much dermis the three of us have thick skins because of the hardships of life and so my skin ain't taking it you know what i'm saying and so i also i'm gonna spend the next 15 seconds 15 seconds saying please give me the lidocaine over the counter orally please i'll take the oral oral oral oral and that's one minute um really good job i do think though you might just need a good old shot shot in the back what's what oh cortisone a cortisone if they're saying i said can you tell bowen he needs a back i mean but here's the thing if you get a back shot yes you're gonna know why it is what do you mean because if it's a muscle imbalance the back shot won't help i can you see my man jason i would love to see your man you gotta see my man jason it may take four hours but you will be fixed two days later i i have something on the books for next week but this this woman she's in demand no you need to get it next week you're gonna be better exactly and i need jason tomorrow tomorrow i booked her i booked this evening can you do it this evening we're we're figuring it out oh they don't come at night these people jason will oh my god all right it feels like we're gonna get jason's information i'm gonna pass jason pt and then you gotta see my phone is jason pt jason jason pt don't you like how you save people yeah he's very handsome but he's wonderful and more than that i mean he's married but more than that he's gonna fix you to a guy or a girl to a woman because he was married to a guy it's kind of like whatever six of one six of one and a half a dozen of what six six seven i know which cliche are you six seven happened is when i was at today's show we were all trying to figure out what it was i know and then we just kept saying it so we could kill it you know it's like don't start saying it then the 10 year olds are like my mom is saying that did it work at home yeah i think we killed it successfully thank you so much you're welcome for your service you're welcome if there's anything else i can do for you let me know well we have an idea how about an i don't think so honey okay now listen i feel like i'm just the preface is i didn't know we were going to talk so much books but it's in the book vein so let's go all right let's go okay let's go this is jenna bush hagers i don't think so honey and her time starts okay i don't think so honey why are we in the book vein i don't think so honey i don't think so honey why are we in the book vein okay i don't think so honey why are we in the book vein banning all these books y'all including the wicked book why are we banning the wicked book why are we banning to kill a mockingbird i posted a picture i don't think so honey of my daughter reading the summer i turned pretty and you know what people said to me they shamed me i don't think so honey don't we know that kids can find all everything on youtube.com we can give our kids ipads 30 but you're taking beloved by tony morrison out of our libraries guess whose job it is to make sure it's appropriate for your children the librarians they are trained now listen i know i'm biased because my mother was a librarian she had a cat named dewey named after the dewey decimal system i do think we should name cats after things that belong in the library but i don't think we should be taking these books out leave it up to the librarians i want my kid to read the books read want to know why books start conversations know what we're not having enough of in this country conversations i don't think so honey and that's one minute wow wow that was sitting somewhere really deep i love it to come out that's why i don't think so honey is useful tool for american conversation i bet honestly i think if i was having a bad back yes getting those types of things out you know the body keeps the score the body keeps the score you know we're actually we're holding all of our tension i don't think so honey's in our back a hundred percent or our hips in our red and our root chakra in our root chakra i mean that did i felt it come you felt it come out my root soon they're gonna ban books about the root chakra kids aren't even gonna know what that is like the little engine that could no okay actually i mean it's just it's at that it's at that point i mean so i i'm going to the brooklyn public library gal on wednesday and i and i wrote a little speech and i got emotional i went to the library on saturday wrote my little speech you wrote it in the library yeah i had to be on the nose about it but it was so wonderful i was like oh look at this there's like adult jigsaw hour there's maternity libraries are the the cornerstones of our community and when people need a place that is warm to go and have access to books also like what are we thinking y'all we're giving anybody access my kid can go to like you know i don't know chemistry and get on her little laptop and order shit from amazon and not pay attention but we're worried about the books that we house in our libraries and as we know representation matters and a lot of what they're taking out is is necessary for people to see themselves one hundred percent and librarians are not recommending things that are inappropriate to like seven or eight year olds what are we doing also what is inappropriate necessarily even mean it's it's a goal post that tends to move depending on what the people in power need and how they can control people so what's inappropriate is by the way debatable from the beginning from before the beginning it's up to parents who are not the ones that are actually banning the books 94 000 books were banned last year in 2025 92 percent of them were were bit by institutions like you know by by ngos by people that are like big movement it's not a parent that's like hey my kid came home with this because you're the parent you can say hey how like we should be reading charlotte's web instead like that's our jobs of course like it like it assumes that there's like no monitoring at any level for this thing but like librarians are amazing too that's their job and by saying we we take these out what we're saying is we're not empowering you to do your work the libraries are so radical to the point that we've forgotten us as a society how radical they are which is you get free books and movies and resources and job job opportunities because of this like free thing that everyone is entitled to exactly it's amazing you know um i was with men jen this author who i love who wrote pachinko and she told me men jenly and she told me that books actually made her brave and she said i'm so worried about kids not having access to books because where does that bravery going to come from and also it's not for nothing but you know these parents that think i want to control everything that my kids are consuming that's not the point of their life i know they are supposed to live their life they at a certain point of course like you don't want your child exposed to something no harmful but exposed to something different yeah is a good thing exposed to something empathy yeah i mean i i just i but also we're living in a time where like five and six year olds are getting on youtube seeing anything anything yeah there's no regulation around youtube yeah we're regulating books right yeah no but never a tech company um what could be more inappropriate than what the president says on his social media every day right like what what what could be more inappropriate why are we not shielding that from like innocent eyes quote in a world where we are doing this like hierarchy of manners right like and morals but like i but like just i wrote about how like i was wandering the shelves of my library at the age of 13 and i stumbled across this seedy wrong original broadway cast recording of wicked and it i took it home and it changed my brain chemistry and i'm like i like the library is an important part of that story because it gives it gives you a sense of place and time yeah with the discovery of something yes but now everything gets served up on our phones and like i don't know i don't remember where i was when i discovered this new singer that i like yeah which is fine yeah how it is these days but like god it's like the original third space blah blah blah i'm not saying anything new but it's just i think we i think thank you for letting us talk about how i genuinely think libraries are like the most emotional thing for me and my community i go it's one of my favorite places to go in brooklyn it has some of the cleanest bathrooms in the whole city it's crazy and that's and that's something you can't count out and there are interesting interesting guys there who who my favorite my favorite bit is to go to the my favorite bit is new bit is to go to the men's room and just point at the side and say oh you that's where they are and then i and then i wink and i go in that's where they keep them you say it to all your friends but like that you're having dinner with that's my one bit and then my other bit is whenever you buy anything and they say the price you just go to the cashier my favorite price and they laugh every time yeah it works right every time they laugh some people are truly mean people so so they don't laugh i can't imagine you don't get a laugh because yeah because then you know they're kind of laughing inside well if they don't laugh that's when i go and then they go wait when y'all met were you automatically best besties no oh but it wasn't weird it wasn't weird it was just like well i we knew of you the other person but we went to this show together and i think there was like a bit of a status mismatch where matt felt like i had power over him he was in the comedy groups already at nyu and i wasn't are you not the same age or you are the same he's actually younger than me but he we're the same year in college we're the same year in college but he had auditioned for the comedy groups the first year and got on the improv group and i didn't audition until my well that's because you were a track star you were a track star delayed yeah so then by the time i was auditioning he had already gotten in the group and we sort of knew each other a little bit and then they cut me from the improv auditions and i thought bowen maybe he had a hand in that and i didn't i did you have a hand in cutting out jenna bush hager and the bob skit maybe bowen did cut both of us matt but then the next day the very next day i made it onto the sketch group and then i suddenly i was his equal no and he had to deal with that i was also cut my whole award was cut out of the las culturas awards it's interesting uh the interesting tactic you're doing which is you asked us about us and then you kind of keep bringing it back to your award i'm like well i'm hoping it's actually why i'm here today i'm hoping like have you already taped all of those those are all taped in the camp do you want to give an acceptance speech right now to you there's your camera by the way i'm an expert at knowing where it is i'd like to thank you gotta go you're saying okay yeah all right so do you want to take us out with your acceptance speech i'd really like to thank bowen and matt for the today's show excellence in the morning award is that the name of it yes you got it and and now we're just gonna say that this was so fun i love y'all so much i will come back whenever and y'all both have to come back to the show we are coming um when are we oh yes and sometime in june i think june 17th we're gonna be there the day it comes out we're actually so we're actually gonna get to be on the 9 a.m hour and the 10 a.m hour oh that seems like to confront us once matt was on gma and i got real mad at him i understand why i was mad at him i was mad at him i was mad it doesn't feel right i went on gma once and she goes the fuck it's rival turf i did i'm like you are a host on this show it was before i was a host no it was because you want to know what it was jenna it wasn't it was there's we can look up the archival footage you have been the host once let me tell you something oh it was i know what it was because i was filming a piece of content with you for rockefeller senna oh yeah and then i said and then someone was something and they go okay we just have to go because he has to go to gma and then you were like it wasn't even gma it was gma3 holy shit gma3 gma3 thank you this has been a joy i love y'all i'm obsessed with i love you guys so much oh i can't wait for cohella cohella you're coming we end and by the way watch watch the morning program today with jenna and chanel and i mean love you love you and we end every episode with a song wait but what was the theme song when i was guest hosting because now it's different i know i can't remember it was um what's the what's the today show theme do you remember i mean i listen to it every day and i have no idea i got my own sunshine i got my own this is today 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