Monday Means Test w/Wayne Hawkes & John O'Neill (06/04/26)

Live across the SCM track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on Racing.com. This is Gideon with Garathorff. The Monday Means Test with Wayne Hawkes and John O'Neill. Welcome back to Gideon Up All thanks to Bet365 and it's time for the Monday Means Test. 936 it's great to have your company wherever you may be listening on your local SCN track at RSN 927 Diles, SN and RSN app and of course watching us on Racing.com. Johnny O'Neill has changed his spot because obviously Wayne Hawkes isn't here today. Hello to you Johnny. Good morning my friend and what a great opportunity to see you without my bolt spot bearing beautifully on that camera that sits behind there that I've noticed you. As long as Hawkes he wants to spend time in Sydney I'm always happy to come in the studio my friend. Wayne Hawkes has been busy driving trucks this morning and he's not far away. Like he said just this early start because we have to start early now with the Means Test because of the changes there with daylight savings and we're going into Perth. We just changed the show around a little bit. Very good. He said I'll just join on the phone and I'll be ready to go V Mix. He's not far away but it was a magical day of racing. We might even get stuck into the show and we'll get Hawkes he when he's ready to go but I'll start off with the Kings Gambit. I want to play you this tribute once again to She's Alibi to do what she did there in the Donkaster handicap was quite extraordinary there on Saturday. Here she comes. She's a Hellerby. He's winding up down the outside and they're feeling look at it go. Oh my goodness. Different class. She's a Hellerby for Jamie Melon, the first Philly since the great sun line to do it and water statement. I've never sat on a horse that's giving me goosebumps like that before. What were you feeling at the top of the straight? Look I've got pushed a bit. Well I've got to back back a bit too far and all sorts of things I thought I should. You need to be good to pick up and I've faced it but we got there in about two, three strides. Yeah she's just amazing. Right, you know I've been blessed to train one of the greatest we've ever seen but this Philly is just amazing. You know I'm not saying she's black caviar but that was just how good. I think everyone was speechless after what we saw was She's Alibi and a Donkaster. I think that performance there on Saturday and I mentioned this a little bit on the social media platforms Ed on the weekend is that she will become at the moment Iraq and the biggest name in Australian racing. She might not necessarily be better than Autumn Glow but I think her story will resonate with a lot of the Australian racing fan because fans because when I was growing up what made racing so great was that racing was a sport that gave you great hope. It was a great leveler in society and Fred Nowski's not a battle but it's a battle as a battle as a story in a way so he purchased her online for $10,000 as a wangling which is remarkable within itself so that just proves that everybody can have an opportunity to spend $10,000 with your Cindy Kerr or with a group of mates and find her she's Alibi. She has a first start at Rockhampton and she finishes second and then she has a pretty good career in Queensland finishes second-order boy during the carnival comes to Peter Moody and Cath Coleman and obviously with a horse being owned by Farmer in Central Queensland I reckon it's quite fitting that Peter Moody is a trainer of this Philly and then she goes on to win two group ones in spectacular fashion during a Sydney Orden carnival and delivers a performance that we still shake our head and disbelief and then you get someone like a man that everybody respects so much in the game that's been a bookmaker, form guru, Martin Guru for so long and legend of the game and Dominic Boone and he gets on his social media platforms and I text him a little bit there yesterday and he gets on and this is what he has to say about her performance there as my phone fails to light here we go this is what he has to say she's Alibi. After resetting the Rambwick Guinness bar she has reset the Rambwick Mowl handicap bar with the highest race rating in the 35 years IWS database that's his database. From a performance rating perspective Winx is 2016 Donkaster and for Longtail's 1996 Epson are comparable, Sunline 2002 next so she's in very territory only two horses have started odds on the last 60 years in a Donkaster one being Winx the other one she's Alibi. Well Hawks see a couple of years ago and all the way sort of since the show has been going has been saying that we're looking for those wonder horses you know across the board racing had been reasonably competitive but outside of sort of the a sustainer coming in and and a couple of others we're really missing you know those outstanding champions and I think we've certainly got one in autumn glow but we've certainly found one here. To win the start before the Donkaster to sit deep and explode past autumn boy and win so convincingly probably sort of stamp the fact that she's a very very very good horse but on the weekend to be able to and I have to say you're talking about the owner Fred I mean that whole situation is extraordinary because we had Gringots in the race with 58 and a half kilos and all we wanted was she's now invited draw deep potentially miss the start because Jamie's had a bit of luck a bit bit of I mean she's been unlucky missing the start of fair bit lately and we're sort of thinking well it's going to be caught three and four deep. We've drawn two Nash should be able to sort of sprint and hopefully we'll be right there at the end well Nash gave our horse a perfect ride Jamie did miss the start just a little bit went back didn't panic sat three and four and five deep and then just put six on and went out even trying and I haven't again look we're seeing some some incredible racing at the moment and those two horses autumn glow and she's an alibi I mean will they clash when will that clash be you know moods I heard him sort of interviewed and there's been a lot of chat with with Catherine too that they'll go to the the big race the gold and then in city which of course you would does that mean autumn glow comes down here for a campaign and doesn't run well I wouldn't I wouldn't let him clash unless say had to because we're going to really from an owner's perspective it's a disaster because we've got a lot of nice horses that are coming through I can't see how we can beat autumn glow if autumn glow stays sound and we certainly won't be chasing that by while she sounds so we'll be dodging those horses I'm sure Aussie you'll be working on that I also wanted to say that we were lucky years ago to Aussie and Brace Akulski border horse called incentivise similar story out of Queensland so they're obviously on fire up there they can find a good horse and send it down and moods obviously ended up training it to I don't think Fred will be selling oh I wouldn't have thought he'd ever been selling under any and the people at the races I mean that's what it's all about I didn't go to the races on the weekend but the coverage is extraordinary and just to see the ownership group and everyone go mad and more importantly when he drew barrier 13 the other day he was double heel clicking so was I thinking well you can't win from there but great ride Jamie car you know I had a bit of a cracker or sorry Jamie Mellum of course she's has so much pressure on her doesn't she she's been you know the elite probably taken over and now well and truly superseded Michelle Payne one cups everyone's critical of it was an extraordinary ride and well done Jamie you stood up in one of the huge pressure moments of racing in Sydney she's a star she's the big time rider she proved that in the Corp your cup of Melbourne cup when she rode half yours a treat and she she stood up carrying what had to get down to 49 kilos and as mood said to her before the racist stay out of trouble and that's exactly what she did and she let the horse do the rest Wayne Hawks was live there at round week on Saturday to what she's all about do what she did as we say good morning to you Wayne and what did you make of her performance there on Saturday yeah good morning everybody yeah it was a great performance there's there's no doubt about that she deserves all the accolades but issue is good as the other mere autumn glow do we really care right now I think it's great pub talk yeah if they don't meet as I said to you early this morning Gareth I I hope they don't meet I don't want them to meet from a from a racing point of view everyone wants them to meet Orega it's better they don't meet and then that way it's the who's better she or she it was certainly it was certainly a an extraordinary performance and I'm going to say it again but weck track got to take that in consideration beating militarized well you know what militarized wouldn't rate anyone's top 200 let's be fair and she beat it by six but it's true you're laughing and I mean you look at militarized and you go he is one three and a half million dollars in prize money he's a phenomenal horse he won three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in prize money on Saturday and I'd love to train him make no mistake about that but he would not rate in anyone's top 200 so if you take Well, while I'm saying this, Garrett, look up the process. for the for the Queen Elizabeth for me. You take those Queen Elizabeth horses and you put them back into the Donkast handicap. That's how the Donkast handicap used to be. Now the Donkast is the poor relation to the Queen Elizabeth now. Autumn Boy, how do you rate him? He raised better at 2000 than what he did at a mile. He's 2000 sprint the other week of the Rose Organism is phenomenal. Didn't probably have quite the sprint that he had there on Saturday. So as he better soon than 2000 or at a mile, he's he ran phenomenal. I'm not putting her down one bit. Don't think I am because people will run off and say, "R-R-R-R." Just put in perspective where it is. And she may be the next super superstar. But she said, "Normally she would be the next superstar, but there is one called Autumn Glow." And the other thing is is that when you race against a better opposition, you won't be able to be sitting back, given them 12-length start and just hooking up and around them in a way they go. Where Autumn Glow has her best is, Jamie goes forward, Jamie goes back, it doesn't matter. Whereas this feeling, you know, she could probably go forward from a bit of barrier. But in, we've been doing a scene how she races up closer in in more pressure. So, the Hawks are going to all I'm doing is having a dollar each way here and being a bit of a dead was advocate. So, put an even lighter. So, Hawks, he's just going onto the Queen Elizabeth, which is obviously next Saturday. If you take Autumn Glow out of the race, she'd smack every one of them. She'd smack them all. Yeah, she might. So, where there's one difference. There's one difference. Autumn Glow would be in the race and so would more better horses, bad English, but more better horses being in the Donnie. The Donnie was the race. And I won it before with Brutal as a three-year-old and said last week there was going to be a three-year-old's race this year. And that's how it turned out. So, I know she won and she won, and I'm not bad. And she could be very, very freaky. But just let her get that freaky stage. And you know, for Dominic Burn to say, it was the greatest Donkaster in the history of history of history and everything. He said, he certainly let his opinion. Great as a performer. He was the greatest. He was the same the greatest force. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. So, from a time after the ratings and the way that he got the performance. Yeah. She's in the same company with those sunbines and horses like that. No, but he was saying that it was like when Winx won her Donkaster, it was probably a similar feel. But it's the way that she did it. That's what Dominic's getting at. I've got to take a break. We'll continue on this chat straight after this. Jesus Wayne's getting a lot of colourful calm feedback. Really? Do you see John Neil? Yes. And we'll take a break and we'll come back with plenty more. This is the Means Test on Gideop on this Monday morning. This is Gideop with Gareth Hors. Welcome back to the Monday Means Test. All thanks to Bet 365 and also High Gain. Find the edge. Keep the advantage and extend High Gain feed developed alongside trainers for racing success. And they tell me she's a laby's a High Gain horse. Let me tell you, I want some of it. Yes. I need some High Gain mate. I need it. Yes. That was extraordinary. So, who's the best horse in Australia, Johnny? That's a really interesting question. Probably the two men's. I can't just clear it. You've got to have an opinion. I don't have an opinion. After seeing she's an laby on the weekend, I don't know whether Autumn Glow could have done that. Yeah. But having said that, Autumn Glows taken everything before it can't do any more and it's a freaking little win the Quentin Elizabeth on the weekend. So, we're going to be sitting back with two wonderful ladies of racing going through and we'll go back to Hawks. He's a hankament the whole way through. Can we please level the weights up because others have got no hope. Well, there you go. Wayne, like you're going to be giving the two best horses in the country at weight for age, weight these days over the next few seasons. And that's and that's and that's exactly right. Before you went the break, you said the text machine was hotting out. Just back it off here. Well, you're not. You're not. It's hotting right. I mean, oh, please. You can't say that. You can't say that. Well, I can't. I don't need to read a few of them. Let's read them out. Let's read them out. Doesn't worry me, but hang on a second. Hang on a second. You've got a three year old feeling that has to go up seven or eight kilos and then sit alongside autumn glow. I'm not bagging here. I said that off the top. I am not bagging her. She won like a freak. But I mean, the first thing that formed students say is mate on heavy tracks, you'll just be a bit careful. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. If she didn't handle that wet track, she would have got beaten 10. She wouldn't have won by four. She would have got beaten 10 if she didn't handle the wet track. So I know she won and I know she got the job done. I'm not bagging her at all. She looks like she's the next best star. And if autumn glow wasn't there, autumn, she would be the next best star. But all of a sudden she's got a hard one. But she now has to go from the three year old Philly ranks to the weight for age ranks. She's got to go seven on kilos and which I had 49.5 or something on Saturday. She's got to go up seven eight kilos on that. So you add seven or eight kilos to her performance. She still wins. But she might not, she might not want to impressively is what she did. So all I'm doing is just having a dollar each way. So look at the race for what it was. Don't just be an aura of what she did. Just try and be level level either the better. And could she be the next superstar? Could she be better than autumn glow? Of course she could. But right now my vote would be for autumn glow because she's actually doing it at weight for age. Not in the handicap racing. And as we all know, weight for age is the pinnacle. And yes, Johnny, you did say these mayors, they're keep getting in two kilos lighter and you know, she's just going to be another one that's going to get a two kilo concession against the boys and she's smacking the boys. I'm going to take a break. We'll come back and we'll continue this conversation. We might go through a few text messages. Nice and early here, Johnny. And then we've got to have a chat to you as well. There's a few text messages coming for you as well. They want your opinion on 10 tires. So there's some interesting feedback for you. So we'll come to those in just a moment. This is Gideaup and the means test will thanks to High Gain and Bet365 on this Monday morning. Live across the SCN track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com. This is Gideaup with Garathorps. Welcome back to Gideaup. This is a Monday means test all thanks to High Gain. Find the edge. Keep the advantage. The next gen High Gain feed developed alongside trainers for racing success. Racing was always the sport to produce mouthwatering clashes. The Golden Eagle has screwed that up royally. So that's the talk about because if the Golden Eagle wasn't around, we would get to see these two horses in a car while we get we get to see them. We get to see them race separately. It'll be it'll be incredible. Should we keep it in perspective? She had a featherweight soft seven. It was and was it a hot donkaster question mark? Don't think so. Give me the wall of horse at the moment. So that's obviously green with Wayne. Can you please ask the person sitting very close to you, Garath, that has absolutely no clue how the best sprints in the world according to him is going. Oh, in case you forget the person with absolutely no clue said that 10 tyres was the best sprinter in the world. That's from Craig. I'll get to that in just a moment. Oh, well I need to answer that. No, in a moment because I've got to go to a break. I'll take you longer than 20 seconds. Greg, you and I'll be having a link discussion on this. Wayne sells salty. He needs to ship Riasa to WA sooner rather than later. Tell him maybe cool pass the goodwood on the way through. There's a lot of people having a crack at my mouth today. We'll come back and talk about the TJ Spit Next. Live across the SEM track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com. Marzu leads up the rise. Jolly star the inside over past the other. Then Cam Briasa, magic time, Giga kick a bit clotted up. Jimmy star Tentaris are going to run last. Over past Jolly star Marzu fighting Giga kick into the clear. Jolly star shows the way. Giga kickers lengthening. Jolly star in front of Giga kick and she does it again. Jolly star five group ones. I haven't seen a horse. Do that since Shatakwa and I haven't seen a horse with a sprinting ability of I say Skalachi because I was close with the Freemans during that sort of journey. Wherever it goes they won't beat it. And let me tell you it'll beat Kaying rising to. I think Louis that's a bit harsh. No, no, no, I'm happy with that. I've got no problems. When I make the comments, Tentaris receipts. When I make the comments, I'm happy to stand by them. There's been a few updated comments since that first bit that I did release. It's like I can clearly clearly the horse doesn't handle the soft. Yes, clearly never wear a yard. To be honest with you, I wish it wasn't in the race because it jumped and smashed Jimmy star. We planned on being in the first four from barrier two, one out one back. If we are in the first four, one out one back, we win. Now Hawks, he made this point ages ago and one of the positives with Jimmy is that he'd been, we'll go back to Tentaris in a sec, that he'd been jumping and putting himself in the races. When he was going back as he was and flashing home and running thirds and fourths and fifths. That's when he wasn't winning his group one. So he broke two sub 11 sectionals, extraordinary. The horse's airborne, absolutely flying Jimmy Star. So that was a race of circumstance. If he had a bean in the first four, I think he wins. Tentaurus clearly doesn't handle the wet and Tentaurus clearly must be a straight horse. We did query that, didn't we? And then obviously ran against, you know, the big boys with the weight and couldn't win that race. So I'm sure Anthony and Sam will tip that horse out now. It'll come back and it'll be a nice horse in the spring, make no mistake. The only concern we clearly have from a sprinting aspect is now we look at Cahilling rising and I believe it's due to have a run in a couple of weeks. Is it working today? - That's racing today. - It's racing today. Well, I can't see now how there's anything in Australia that'll be there. I'm very happy with Jimmy to take on Giga Kick. I'm very happy to take on Jolly Star too. Matter of fact, I'm happy to take them all on the bases that we can find our spot, but that's not racing, is it? So I thought he ran great. Tentaurus probably needs to go to the paddock. - He goes around at 5.35, Cahilling rising in the group two sprint cup today, Wayne. What did you make of the TJ? - Your horse obviously didn't handle the going way, Briasa. - No, he came around the corner and about the 300. He smoked up and I thought, "Well, we're in here, we're home." And he'd been looking at him about the 400. I thought he was going better than the winner, Jolly Star, but he just didn't let down on the wet going. So now people are saying, "But hang on, hang on, hang on." He's one on a heavy and he's got wet track form, but the difference is your racing in horses when you are on the way up. And I think it was, what have been Newcastle or Campbell is one of those race meetings. When he won on a wet track, well, he just, as I told you the other day, when he ran the Galaxy Tyler Schiller said, the track was from Shifty, he still would have gotten away with the win in the Galaxy and we won't be running him on a wet track again. So I heard the same thing about Tentaurus. They said they won't be running him again on a wet track. So that goes back to what I said before. She's Alibi doesn't handle the wet track. We're not talking about her. Good honor for doing it, but I think it's pretty unfair if I never crack a Johnny because if you don't handle the conditions, well, you know what, it is what it is, but you just, you just don't win. And if K. Rising draws barrier 12 or 12, gets caught free-wide, he might win the Everest either. He hasn't got panels on these horses. He jumped through across, loved one one in theory in the Everest and he won by left and left. What did you just say then, Wayne? You can't do any more than that. No, what did you just say then? I said, if K. Rising, you know what I said. No, I didn't hear it. I just wanted to call it a ride. Concentrate. Concentrate. You can't concentrate. Danny's got a coffee with him in it and a hot cross bun and he can't concentrate. Listen to this again. Go, Wayne. If K. Rising is in the Everest and he draws barrier 12 and he gets posted free-wide, you reckon he just still wins, do you? Probably, yep. Probably. Oh, you know what? You're a lander, a pin of an eye, don't you? Because I don't reckon he's got 12 on us. Charlie stars one, five group ones. No, no. I think what you were saying, Hortie, even about autumn and low, right? What you were saying about autumn and low, the thing about K. Rising is that won't get caught three deep, because it's got enough paste to push forward and find a spot. So what if it does? J. McWood's caught free-wide on nature strip in an Everest. The nature strip was the boom or slip time. Mate, barrier draws. Johnny, what happened to you? You didn't draw the right barrier. You come out sideways. You've got whack. You're out of play. Your sexuality rules are amazing. You run fourth of fifth and then you go, "Oh, that was crap." Well, it wasn't. You just didn't have the right run and the race. So if K. Rising draws the outside barrier and has a shocker in the run, he hasn't got lapped on these horses to be able to do it. It's as simple to be able to beat them. So same thing. I'm not begging K. Rising, but he still has to have the right running transit. Because what horses can do crazy stuff? Well, there's very, very few. You see it in the lesser graves where they can be caught wide and do a bit of work and get away with it, but not at the top level. So we're seeing the every racehorse. They have to have the perfect run to win, Johnny. With Jolly Star going to Ascot, how would you rate Jolly Star versus Henry's Mayor that went over and won? 20, a couple of great ones. That's for her. That's for her. How far does Jolly Star beat Asfora by any day of the week? Oh, yeah, she's Jolly Star's a superior horse to Asfora, but Asfora went away and obviously climatised and did a great job. I think the best thing about Jolly Star is, when, as a trainer that has traveled horses, it's really, really hard to do. That's number one. We all acknowledge that. But the best part about Jolly Star is, she's such a fresh horse that is going to play in her hand so well, because sometimes you might want to be ready in theory second up to be running at Ascot or, you know what I mean? So she's going to have about eight weeks, what is it? It might be eight weeks or thereabouts between runs. That will suit her because this is the first preparation that Jolly Star has put run after run after run together. Does how good was she first up? She was, Gareth, look up her first up form. I reckon her first up form. She would be that close to nearly being underfeed of first up. So to be able to take away a horse that loves being fresh, that's going to be such an advantage. And you know, their biggest issue is going to be, which race do we runner in? Do we runner in the 1,200? You wouldn't runner in both. And I don't reckon Chris Voila will, because one thing Chris Voila does is, he never gets greedy. He never goes to the world twice. He'll be picking one or the other. And I reckon he'll pick the 1,200 and away he goes. But you know what, if he picks the 1,000, well, that's going to be the right race. But she would be $2.25 at right now. I would assume and deservedly so. Yeah, she seven starts, five wins first up. She's one more than $9 million. There's a few people getting stuck into me regarding, um, jolly star. But jolly star, her record before this weekend in the big grand finals wasn't as good as those lead up group ones. And that's that was just. Get away. Get away. Get away. Didn't she win a new castle? You can't do that. Yeah, but that was handicapped condition. No, no, just check it. No, we just talk about the way she's out of my winning by four. You just thought that she's out of my winning a handicapped by four links and you have to be me hang on it. I mean, I didn't. But you know, one of these. I've got a text me. She's curious. One of the is his Wayne on the left handed cigarettes this morning. What was that mean? No, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going well. I'm going real good today. I'm, I'm in a good mood. Everything's good. I was trying to say it how it is and just give another, another perspective with it. And I hadn't bagged any of these horses because they're all stars in their own right. And I said, I hope they all don't meet. And I hope we just see them run around, around, around and racing's the winner. So Jolly started going over to ask God is a, it's unbelievable for Australia. Yeah, one under Cambridge, starting a green family and, is it really, really franking its value? Is that why it's going there to win those international groups? And be worth double double what a twerth now. You know why she's going there because she's owned by Brandon and Joey Lindsay from Cambridge started. And they think it's great marketing. They have the colors of Jolly star on the biggest stage in world racing in a way to be competing there trying to win those big, brute ones. Yeah. And the game. And she started on the matter in a way. She wins. So yeah, that's kind of starting already on the map. It's on the map. You know, starting the Southern Hemisphere. And I don't, I don't think their colors are going to make a lot of difference whether it gives it a PR point of view. I think the bottom line is Johnny to answer your question. They want to have one hell of a trip and they got one hell of a horse to take. And you know where she might go over there and race and then retire and be served to one of the great European stadiums Southern Hemisphere time and then they take us straight back to New Zealand. I mean, that might be their play. So, so we, we arguably might have seen the last of Jolly star. I mean, who knows whether they're going to keep going on with their or not. That's where I was. He's been for Australia. Yeah, that's where I got. Right. He's got the, they've got the right horse to go and while, while a McDonald, they know what to do because they won the same race with the nature strip about six years ago. Ken, can Briassa win it and ever us in the spring? Can he bounce back one? Because you've only given him two runs. He's time around. Yeah, he can because he, as I said, he was unlucky not to won the galaxy on the Shifty track and then he didn't handle the wet track on Saturday. So, made it turns up a night on every stage. You'll be getting scratched. We won't, we won't, we're not going to run. We're not going to run him again on a wet track because why do you want to waste him? Because this is a horse that can keep running around for the next two years and all of a sudden you go with Jolly stars, not there anymore, Tentirus. Let's make it up. He's retired. Something else doesn't happen. Another one goes amaze. Mate, we don't have a flock of massive sprinters in a common through. So, prize money's big. So, you go to the paddock now with Briassa? Yeah, I think so. I'll do you, Garith, you think so? Well, can I, is that what you think? Well, Wayne, no, what do you think? No, we're asking you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, ask Garith, Garith, that's all I've got. Garith, would you go to the paddock with Briassa? Well, I, I, I'm not training the horse, but I think Wayne was dropping it all up this morning. Oh, right. That's how I know. You said what you were doing this morning, dropping it off to the paddock this morning? Yeah. I wish they bloody dropped it off the paddock. Garith, you're already half, right? You're already half, right? Well, she's having a little freshener, because it's going to Brisbane. could be because he went to the water walker and then you've got you've got a race like an all-ahead stakes and you got a race like a two and 10,000 that could be on the cards. Or if it was wet, he might run again in the in the autumn but we haven't decided what we're going to do with him but did I take him out myself this morning? Yes I did but he's at the pre-trainer's, he's not the spelling farm so he's not spelling. You're right. We won't be running him again on the rain-affected tracks. Well, they get some dry weathering coins and there's plenty of nice group ones up there too isn't there? As you say there's that kinksford's year and the doom in 10,000 and even the straightaway. But if we ran in the or if we ran in the or not, if we ran in the all-aheads we then we then probably go the paddock. I would think without knowing exactly I don't know yet because we're just going to let it unfold but we could go all-aheads and paddock or you could go Queensland, doom in 10,000 and then the paddock. Okay. You wouldn't keep going on after that Johnny because you got to get ready for the spring and we know where he arguably runs his best races now. I mean I would be running him in the spring in the Premier, the Everest and the the race up the straight at Flemington that would be my boat right here right now. Certainly no rainfall cast. There's no rainfall cast in the next sort of 10 days in Sydney. So you'll have another run at least telling us why. No, I don't know yet because it depends on the the wet tracks, the weather. So for you ask it could run but we don't know in and of a short if you were looking at the futures I wouldn't be having a bet just yet. I'd be waiting until race day because we may run him in the or lage we may accept with him but if it buckets down well then would be good bye and head in the Queensland or go. Jimmy will definitely be. Jimmy is definitely going to fall apart. Well it's going to fall apart. Angel capital five. Is it the capital? It's not going to fall apart. Don't know but fangirls definitely going there first up sky bird won't be there. She's going to the Sankster. You're getting $17 to take that pump with Briaça. Won't start now because he's now going to now now he's going to be $7. I've just said that Garret. Yeah but that's okay. I don't know if I said I wouldn't be back at him just yet because you don't know whether he's going to be running or not. You need to wait and laugh at $7.30 on scratches on race day to see whether we're going to run. Well you said to me Johnny you don't care for us or whoever turns up he won't be getting beat Jimmy star in an or lage. I'm hoping you doesn't get beat. No. I mean the horse is going very well. We're very very happy with him. Shitty track at Corefield no luck inside all LaRara and I think he's run on the weekend as we said Hawks he is if you get smashed at the start and you're back last and they didn't go that quick early. Yeah. You needed to sort of be first four or five and that's where the winners came from and we were back last and took off had to sit deep and obviously the last 150 was his best. Just I mean to run two sub 11 sectionals right in the race is incredible. Well known to Clayton Douglas the job that he's done with Gigi Kick campaign after campaigning terms up when it matters most. Mitch Friedman with Sky Bird first up she's had her problems throughout a career but you couldn't get her in the barrier. No. To get it to do what she did was amazing. Good first up. Jimmy was good. So yes some good stories coming out of that TJ. Hey we need to take a break. Still play more to come including your text messages here on the Gideop with the Monday means test all thanks to high gain this Monday morning. This is Gideop with Garathorff. And Storm Leopard race to an error lead from observer then designation green spaces down the outside and further back to one step closer. Storm Leopard shows the way green spaces moved up quickly. Green spaces takes the lead narrowly now from Storm Leopard. They're two links clear from designation but green spaces sent clear in the Darby and that's a big win green spaces beats the ruffy. Welcome back to the Monday means test here on Gideop all thanks to high gain finally edge. Keep the advantage next gen high gain feed developed alongside trainers for racing success. Green spaces was very good. Well under will born who said that chair a few weeks ago and declared it at $15. I don't know how we back up street boss horses in doubt. Anyway obviously I've got no idea. Yeah well far I mean far and the the horse of lees and Michael free. But family that won the Adrian Arnond. How's it like it's going to be second favorite in the year. How are they doing this? What is going on here? What do you make of the classic way? Yeah it was a good effort by the winery couldn't do much more than what he did but I just missed the Darby's being you know real great races you know I mean from the point of view of the breeding aspect and everything I really wish the breeders would start breeding more staying horses and we you know get the Darby's everywhere back to the level that we that they used to be. It was a good effort you can't see anything away from the winery did a great job did a deserve did a observer have a naft did observer not handle the track I'm not really sure I don't know what the what was the wash up garret you know what happened there with observer. He wasn't good enough. I think that's probably right I mean and maybe he's been up maybe he's showing signs of that long sort of spring yeah Hawks you've seen that before they go through and do that and then they just never come up in the autumn so maybe that's what it is great win over seven first up after winning a Darby and you know he probably just hasn't come up one thing I will say is is that the first ATC Darby for yeah back he wants because he's oh man was obviously a junior fighter he was a freak out it's it's easy training well be honest yeah he's trying to win a form on Saturday um say he reckons he can well he's gonna aim up at a Melbourne cap that's what he's dreaming of whether whether he's a coder is he a coder I was going to say is he a coder I think he's a guerling no he's a coder he's a coder yeah good luck yeah a Melbourne cap yeah I would have thought but anyway anyway I wouldn't have thought he'd be going there what about this two year old race the size is plenty to talk about here because there was a big sale a couple of big sales during the week they were nearly going to make my own nose but we'll talk about the size and what happened there during the week and also after the race they're on Saturday. Campion, Natalia, six off the lead coming to the middle part of the track, Rochene at the 200 leads the way by two Campion, Natalia's really starting to hit the line hard now and Campion, Natalia down the outside as Missiono with a good run late Campion, Natalia in front from Missionel Campion, Natalia won the English size by three quarters Missionel now the superannuation package for James McDonald and Chris Waller this will be a stallion a son of what's Nitzel so yeah they're not making him any more no I mean the the flashing light was on this horse clearly after the slip of the right yeah so they just keep delivering these bugs Waller and McDonald I know they've got the horses, Hawksy I get it I know they get a huge allocation of young horses but geez they just keep delivering and it's not easy one you would know that right you get a lot of good stock and some of them just don't turn out the way that you want them to and I suppose it is a bit of a numbers game but nobody can ever have a crack at Chris and James you know with with the success and the way they just continue to deliver. Yeah no no no no this a numbers game is noted about that and I suppose the biggest thing for Chris up here in Sydney is that his opposition just isn't it isn't there isn't really I mean who is he's now who is his next biggest opposition who you know it's probably Kieran I suppose yeah probably probably he probably probably wouldn't have the and he wouldn't have the numbers he certainly wouldn't have the numbers of young horses at Chris is getting I think clearly as the you know these stud syndicates I don't know I think I think he's got the numbers yeah I don't think he's got the numbers but all but also too with these guys what happens today is they're getting so many tried horses I mean these tried horses are just you know they're just parachuting in every day and so you're not just going to yielding south buying your yieldings or you're getting your horses you know given to you as young horses and working your way through I mean the horses that you have lands I Sullivan the you know the famous jockey turn trainer New Zealand said that four horses that have been stable for one of Chris mollars in the last 12 months you know the fact that for the oaks is an example of that I think isn't it yeah I don't know I don't know how to count lands but certainly from New Zealand yeah did yeah did yeah did come from Lansing so you know yes they can't do any more than what they've done you're right that the winner had the beacon light on him in the gold and super it was a phenomenal run so the form stacking up and I don't mind that because we've been quite critical of our three year olds last season and now this season's three year olds that everyone says I don't know different winner every week and but you can't any way from that winner I know he didn't win the gold and sleeper but we all saw the runs so you know I don't mind the form stacking up to be fair because it has been left a little bit questionable with a different horse winning every week yeah do you know with you having a look at the premiership at the moment the new south wiles trainings premiership and it like Chris Wallace had a hundred and twenty one victories the next best is gay waterhouse and forty six and what about runners I can't see the money to get that let's get that to have a $40 million in prize money he strike rates 12.6% but that can't really you can't take that into account because sometimes you've got eight horses in the field gay's going at 16% an age for three and they've had 46 winners from Björn Baker 40 the archibles 34 and Kieremar 33 John A. Shay Tommy a Charlton at 32 Joe Pratt 31 Michael Friedman at 27 so I tell you what, there's a really nice two year old that ran in that race hawk sea horse called firestorm. Yes. I think Chris trains it as well. Yeah, I think he does. Yeah. It's been up forever. It's running everything. I think it won the English, the big English race in Sydney. That's when James McDonough got five over years of the win. So I've got to tell you, I think it'll do something pretty special in the spring too. I think it's a really nice horse. I mean, it's shown incredible sort of fortitude to be able to run all the way through. Now I want to ask you, who is the big winner out of the strizons sale after watching what happened there on Saturday? Now I was listening to Bruce McAvani. I think it was Bruce said there sale was 5.5 million or just over 5 million on Channel 7 there the other day. So year-long purchase there for a lot of money. She's probably worth talking to bloodstock agents to an half million right now for what she's been able to achieve. She's a ring and that's pretty harsh. It's won a blue diamond round the second in a slipper. How much do you think she's worth right now? Oh, look, I'm in from a stallion. You're going to get her away at, sorry, she's a failure. Oh yeah, okay, sorry, I was going to say from a stallion that's speaking with a lot more. So at the end of the day, she's an elite two-year-old that's one of the country's best group one two-year-old races. She's run second in the best two-year-old race in the country. You're going to get folds out of earth for 10 or 15 years. If you go to the right place, you're going to get folds worth a million, 800, 900, for 10 or 15 years. So it's a good investment. She's probably, you've always got to overpay a little when you're buying those horses at that age because they're going to go on and run for prize money and they have an opportunity to stamp themselves. But like, we sell cool and get a for five. Yes. Right. Now she won three group ones, but she didn't win a two-year-old group one. She did win a make it mid-end of her career. It was. Yeah. So there for five point five midway through her career. Yeah. So she's got a chance to win good prize money and establish herself. Yeah. Would you sold her for that? Yeah, I would have. Yeah, I would have. Yeah. Yeah. Why? But I'm always a sell-emat. Yeah. Like, outside of Jimmy Star, I love it. I'll never sell. That's out of that. I'm always a sell-emat. Why? If she was in the chairman's sale in four weeks time, would she make five point five? Maybe not, but let me tell you, she'd make four. So at the end of the day, if they paid a little bit of a premium to have a fast-running two-year-old group one winning Philly and Nazgione rightly said she's won the diamond. She's just got in beat in the slipper. You know, one run, too many in the size, whether it was a 14 or the the left track, I would have thought it would be the four, I would have thought it was probably the 14, really. You know, I mean, that's the old one run, too many, but they've got a Philly that, I obviously think she's pretty good and she's going to come back in three and do a hell of a job. But if she didn't come back at three, they haven't paid crazy money for it because she would have make, she would make the three, four million in the chairman's sale in, let's say, 15 months time. So if I was Mr. Zhang, I'd be buying those sort of horses as well because you're going to a yelling star the other day in Sydney and those Philly's were the hottest item in the catalogue. All bet the Philly's were probably better than the Colts. The best Philly's were making up to 1.8 million and we don't even know whether those Philly's can trot. All we know is that those Philly's can walk. Now, they've got the pedigree. So this Philly's actually one, one of blue diamond runs second the gold and slipper. So if he's paid a million overs, I don't think that's a lot of money when he's paying $2 million for untried walkers at a yielding sale. And maybe the other thing is, with this elite two-year-old sort of structure that he's now got, he's trying to bowl with these Group One mares and we said it a few years ago, didn't we? Like, they're really on the map, you know, I know they had been for a while now, but ultimately, Streisins the type of Philly that can go through and win a couple of Group ones as a three-year-old. And then they take our overseas mate and put her in foal. You've got a leaps sprinting blood in Australia's one of Australia's best two-year-old races. She's a multiple Group One winner and they put her overseas. You'll get anything from her mate in foal. I wonder if any of any of Zangs made the phone call regarding she's a little bit. We joke around about it, but you probably ask. But I've got to say, I don't think they'd have a sell that. I think I think they'd love it. He might not. But the same thing, Mr. Jan came out and said, you know, I want to offer 20 million for it. Yeah, but you know what? Yeah, maybe not that much, but like if he offered a big money and took it, well, I reckon that if I had the money, I'd actually rather go and try and buy tried horses than buying yearlings because to buy an expensive yearling to go home and turn to make it good, that is a bloody hard effort. And there's very few owners that can say, I've done it because it's one of the hardest things to do. We'll take a break. This is the Monday Means Test, all thanks to High Game and Bet 3, 6, 5. We'll come back with your text messages next and of course our own nose and yes, yes, yeses. Welcome back to Gideon up Garathorff with you, Johnny O'Neal and also of course Wayne Houghts for the Monday Means Test has been a lot of fun today. All thanks to High Game Fills Champions. View their complete range of advanced feed and supplements at highgain.com.au. You're enjoying the text messages today, Johnny. I am enjoying them over here. Someone's having a crack at me about saying, Johnny, you've got no idea because you said observer didn't come up and it's just one the Australian guineas. It's interesting isn't it? We hold these horses in such high esteem. I certainly do anyway. I think observers are freak. So for him to go to Sydney and potentially not handle the track or potentially he's had enough. He's a wonderful horse. He's going to come back and be a star in the spring. So it wasn't meant he's not a good horse. I just sort of have such a high expectation after him winning the guineas he would have gone on. Garathorff, I bumped into Wayne up in the parade ring and sitting on Saturday. I was happy to say good A and he's definitely a fun bloke and can find out. Can you find out what Paul Massara said to him? That's from Milo and Sydney Wayne. Obviously he's a fan of yours Wayne. What do Paul Massara say to you? Oh Peter, Paul Massara wanted to eat one day of a bit with me about which horse was going to finish in front of each other because Paul's dad actually owns Federals. I wasn't sure about the wet track with Federals and wasn't sure about the running of the mile and a half and he failed on both those attempts. So I didn't bet Paul because he actually wanted a bet dinner. And so I was lucky that I didn't because he beat me home because then Paul said well if Federals wins the Derby we're going to chinees and we're going to put you on the lazy Susan and spin you around and throw food into your mouth. I said "Made Federals win to Derby you can do whatever you want to me." That's what I said to Paul Massara. You used to say that when you were younger to hooks. No, I wasn't. I backed she's on the lazy Susan. I backed she's Alibi on the weekend. Great, we're no doubt. But how can you say it was a great ride? All she did was sit there and the horse did everything else. Also as good as the rum was Autumn Glow would have been often gone and she would have had to be flying from behind her way. What about one of these? I'd rather buy she's an Alibi for 20 million than Barnavara for 10. Yes, that's a good point. Wayne? Jamie had to start wasting a month ago. A lot of these jockeys when they when they strip three kilos off. Now if you look at Jamie Carth physically there's not a lot of there's not a lot of meat on her bones because we're talking weight here so it's not anything sexist at all but she doesn't have much to take off. I could take off three kilos and you wouldn't know where it went and that's being serious. So for Jamie Carth to actually go and to put her body through that and then to turn up on Rastayne actually do it. I've seen some of the greatest jockeys in the world waste their guts out and go the races on Saturday put this scale cap on and ride like a pumpkin. So she actually did the job. She won two or three the week before and everyone went ah Jamie's back, Jamie's back. Look she hasn't been having the best of runs but she's won a core full cup of Melbourne cup and she's won a second second Donkaster so she's gone pretty good and Jamie Carth is the best female jockey in the world because there isn't a better female jockey. I don't think in the world anyway. If you're going thinking about all the different countries is there a better female jockey in the world currently than Jamie Carth or she would have to she'd have to have that man all sewn up. I'm not sure about American Europe. Racial King. Holy oil maybe. Racial King's flying at the moment in Sydney. No no no Rachel King's not in a class on it. No but hats off to Jamie Mellum. She she had to waste to get to 49 and she rode that horse how it should have been ridden. She rode it like the best horse and on the big stage. In Peter Moody Garrett. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Moody say stay out of trouble and I told her to stay out of trouble. So in fairness she went around them to do as she was told and how many times of I said this when we're bagging a jockey we actually need to know what the right instructions work is sometimes they're right into instructions and the instructions just don't pan out or after the event the instructions were actually wrong. I heard she said but I've already already married Ben. I've already married Ben. I've got plenty of trouble. Yes. Yes. Yes. Anyway now time for our own nose. (upbeat music) ♪ Oh no ♪ ♪ See you again ♪ - Now there's a few I know is here. April Fool's Day's a lot of fun isn't it? - Well traditionally. - Yes. - We are thoroughly enjoyed. - Kenbee. - World Horse Racing, who are massive fans of, I think they do an extremely good job covering the sport right across the country. And they're funded by the breeders cup in the States, Goodwood, the Hong Kong Jockey Club, and the Victoria Racing Club. So they fun World Horse Racing to cover racing all across the globe. And they do a wonderful job. But they did deliver a, and I thought it was funny in a way. They, and April Fool's Joke, saying the kaying rising will be bypassing the Everest and then going to Rolasket. David Hayes got on there and said, and he replied in the Lindsay Park account saying, "Ken confirmed this is completely untrue. Everest is still the target." That's from David Hayes. And then a few days later, World Horse Racing put out this apology. He says, "World Horse Racing would like to clarify "that earlier information shared regarding kaying rising "and Rolasket was incorrect. "The post was not factually correct "and it was not developed based on verified facts "or quotations from David Hayes, "the connections of kaying rising, "or the Hong Kong Jockey Club, "and should not have been published. "We sincerely apologize for the confusion caused "and for any embarrassment and concern caused to Mr Hayes, "the connections of kaying rising and the Hong Kong Jockey Club. "The post has been removed "and we have taken immediate steps "to strengthen our internal review process "to ensure this does not happen again. "We extend our unreserved apologies to all those affected." - 30 years ago, 30 years ago would have been hilarious. - Right. - Right. - It would have been hilarious because the problem is now that the power of social media across the world and the amount of fake news that goes out, people are unsure. - But this is fake news. - It is fake news, but what I'm saying is 30 years ago would have been hilarious. But now people don't know whether it's right, whether it's wrong, what's the. - Well, I can understand what you're saying, Johnny. And there's different cultures. Obviously, it's a different culture and they don't really, they don't, they don't, participate in April of Wednesday type of comedy. So I can see. - Well, what about the ramifications? What about the ramifications though? Because people bet on these things and everything like that. David Hayes and the connections don't need all this BS. Now, I think to be fair, April Fool's jokes were made for April Fool's day to lunchtime. And I remember of the kid when Mars Bar put out an ad on the, in the herald going and we've got the left-handed Mars Bar. That's a bit of fun and that is not hurting or affecting anyone. Now, I'm not sure if David Hayes and connections, but David doesn't need to pull BS about all these bloody who-harm, whatever. I mean, you would think that'd be a nibble nobody, a 15-second keyboard worried doing this. Not a big organization like what happens. So I reckon Johnny spot on what he said. 30 years ago, bit of fun, bit of who-harm, come whatever. You know, I mean, you know, left-handed can of coke, something like that, I think. - So you're saying so much about April Fool's day. - Not rubbish around. Thomas with stuff going out there. - Yeah, they were so. - They were so. - All of that stuff now is just blown out of poor shit. - They said that we can't have the fun like we used to. - And obviously blew up when they had a fake account on me. We call him rising, saying that there's something wrong with him. He might be scratched off, forget what it was. And then obviously he started, he got out to $3 before and ever. Now that's not worth it. - And the show is. - And the show is what it would be. - The show is investigating. - I'll tell you what it would be, Garif. - Yes. - Yep. - You know what it would be? - As if someone got a fake account and said, "Garif, I was finished on there, "giddy up with Garif." And then that sort of stuff keeps coming back. I mean, it's just stuff we don't need. - But this is April and full day. If this is any other day, I understand. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Every day with you is April, full day. Let's be fair of it, okay? - Have some fun, you two. - Oh, we're trying, mate. - Oh, we're trying. - I mean, I'm sitting here in the room and I've got. - Anyway. - Demi's brought up coffee for him. There's muffins. - What's Demi there? - He's a farm employee of the industry. - Wow. - There's a lot of love in the area. - No, I'm voice. - He's loving the area. - Well, happy Demi, wouldn't it? - Yeah, no. I had a couple of bits on the weekend. The Belmont Gangster. I need somebody to tell me what happened with it. - Trapped in the farm? - Is that what it was? Pan-Till Warrior. Horses Airborne flying went like a goat. - It was interesting. - I don't know what happened. Maybe it was the track. I don't know what happened. And then the other thing is, when we were doing the form for Corfield, knowing that we'd been there a couple of weeks earlier, we had people walk the track, the grass on the inside seemed not as well joined as the sort of lanes 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. So we obviously did our form for horses swooping from last and out wide. And Corfield played as it always does. You need to be up there and outside of one or two races, if you weren't in the first four or five, you couldn't win. That was about all for me. - Okay, wait. - Mine was Saturday night at dinner and double bay afterwards. - Of course you couldn't back my brother was staying at the intercontinental with some friends. And him and I walked up in front of Michael's wife and heard this friend and Michael said, "I'm gonna get on this limelike." So he attempted to get on this limelike, which he did. I walked back down the corner where Scanlon Theodore was. And Michael came riding towards me so I thought I'll start videoing this. There's about six guys and one girl standing behind me on just on the footpath, waiting for a cab. And all of a sudden the bloke behind me, oh I didn't know, he said, "Oh my God, is that the trainer of Chattacua?" So, you know what brother, you're a goose. And you know what I'm gonna do for you guys? Guess who I've got here. I've got the goose himself. - Oh, there we go. - Oh my goose. - Howdy Michael. - Jesus, Faber. - Wow. - It's Faber Look Bear's The Great Man. - He's Faber Look Bear. - Hey, he wears a different size jacket to you, Wayne. - He's definitely wearing a different size jacket than yours. - So Michael, Wayne said that Browse is definitely going for the all-aid stakes. Can you confirm that or deny it? - No, we can't hear him. - We can't hear him. - Can you hear him? - You can't hear him? - No, no. - No, no. - Sorry. - You can't, no, you can now. You better hear him now. - Yeah, got you now, got you now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He, I can't confirm that or deny it, but honestly, he did a lot of the wet tracks. And we're going to head that way, but you won't know, if you'll say it a morning, whether the rain is going to come or not. But as disappointing was it was, he trucked up on the corner and I just, the elbow, Wayne, I see where he came on here and he just didn't let down and to be fair, as he's got older, he just hasn't got through it. So, always, he's on the path, but we're just going to wait and see, you know, probably the day of. - Hey, Michael, are you 10 or 15 years younger than Wayne? (laughing) - I'm, I'm 21 years younger. - Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, it's interesting, that would have been a horrendous situation, wouldn't it, really. Well, John would have been out in the waiting room, he wouldn't have gone in when the babies were born. And then when Michael comes out, the joints gone mad, the family's in and then poor old Wayne. Poor old Wayne, what happened there? - Well, mate, I can't vouch for Wade, but he can't hear it, so that's okay. - No, he's good now. Michael, last one of you. - I thought I'd be going, I'm not telling you. - I gotta go, I gotta go to a break, Autumn Glow V, she's out of buy. - Autumn Glow. - All right, then there we go. Hey, we'll take a break, it's about 50/50 on the show this. - Really? - Today, hey, thanks for that, Michael. - Nice to see you, Michael. - Good to see you, mate. - Hey, Johnny, we might be a small couple. - Any winners for us? - Any winners, I'll be honest, I like a little Philly today called Ada, it's about 30 to one here at Rose Hill, which is a good run first up, and she's probably worth a little dollar each way. - We will have a dollar each way now. Thanks for that, mate. - Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. - And now, yes, yes, yes is for the meastest this morning. While under racing Victoria, love Good Friday, it's working beautifully. And I think in other parts of the country as well, there was another big day there at Ascot, but that Good Friday meeting, supporting the Royal Children's Appeal, is getting bigger and better each and every year in Country Victoria, so Ballerade, how did this year goes to Bendigo next year? And well done to the MRC. Like that's a massive crowd for an Easter Saturday, over 10,000 people turned up. You couldn't buy a GA ticket, it was sold out. So they're doing a wonderful job getting people to the races, the MRC, and that was something else there on Saturday, they tell me. So well done to everybody involved. - Live across the SCM track and RSN networks, and broadcasting live on racing.com. This is Gideon with Garathorps. - Welcome back to Gideon Up Garathor with Yulon with Wayne Hawkes and Johnny O'Neill. Wayne's got to go shortly because you've got to go and catch a plane. So we'll get through a few text messages. Jigsaw's and she's an alibi are the best horses in Australia. Jigsaw always get slammed by tips as big Jigsaw times are all 108 for 1,200 meters. So was she's alibi? I won grade on both horses. - Good on you mate, that's from one of our listeners. He says get on Jigsaw for the quack up. Johnny and Wayne as huge racing fan, keep giving us your opinions, stuff the negative, nothings who text in bag new. The means test is number one, don't change a thing, get it up. Garath, what do you make of the world pool this time? - You asked me that question there last week, didn't you, Johnny? - Yeah, look, I just, I did, and I just wanted to get your opinion. Obviously, when Jay Mac and Zaka are writing here, there's a huge amount of money betting from Hong Kong and other places around the world. So I just wanted to get your opinion because looking at the size, which was a part of the world pool race, it paid $2.75 on the tote camp on the undetaliate. And it started $3.90. That was Jay Mac, obviously, writing. - I think the world pool, so the world pool is run by the Hong Kong Jockey Club and it's designed to bring the world together and help out the different race clubs around the world, especially in the UK and Europe, where they can have bigger size pools because they don't have a tote like our tote. And it's got its positive and its negatives. There's no doubt about that. But what they need to get right and what the PRAs in this country need to talk to the Hong Kong Jockey Club about because in this country, all we want is puns, it is a fair go. Is that right, Johnny? - Yeah, I would agree. - So when you have a look at, they've got to improve the takeout. So for a normal Saturday meeting, the takeout from the tote would be 14% for the win. With the Hong Kong Jockey Club we'll pool an operation at 17 cents. So it's not giving the puns a fair go at the moment. And I think that the PRAs and the clubs are aware of this and they'll be trying to work with the Hong Kong Jockey Club to see if they can improve the takeout because at the moment, especially with these superstar horses going around, like she's a la buy paid $1.50 or something on the tote. - And then S.P. $1.9. - Yeah, that's not $1.9 for puns. - Pun is having a better time. - Drolley star 295, the tote S.P. 370. So I suppose what it does, is it opens opportunities up for people to be taking the prices of B365 and the other. - And the other filmmakers. - They better off to take fixed or S.P. or whatever it may be because clearly, when the whirlpool is involved, I suppose it does enable you to use the whirlpool on the tote and bet around because if there's so much money on the others, you're gonna be getting overs. - You would imagine generally on some of the others. - For romantic. - For romantic, for romantic, when he was beaten a turban was a perfect example, you got extreme overs on the tote for gold trim because romantic, for romantic, for romantic, for romantic, for romantic, because of the power of the Hong Kong and the Asian punter. But so it can work both ways, but at the moment with Autumn Glow and she's a la buy in those favourites, winning, you are copying unders if you're following J.M. - Yeah. - I mean, Fireball's played 730 the place on the whirlpool and it's S.P. 420. - Yeah. - So I mean, there's an extraordinary difference there. - It's unbelievable. - So I suppose, you know, for the punters out there, really work closely when the whirlpool rises out. I'm sure you do anyway, but a lot of people just like to put their bets on and sit down on what's their races. We're sort of encouraging you now, certainly to gamble responsibly, dial. - 1-800-858-858-8. - But our scenario, there is make sure that when whirlpool racing is on, you are looking at your bet three, six five, for example, to get some additional benefit. - And I think it can work the whirlpool and I think there's some positives to it. But as Aaron Morrison, when I had him on this show and I asked him the question, I think they got to work out with the takeout. And I think Peter Valani would be looking at that as well. Like it's three cents difference. - It's a lot. - That's a lot. - It's not good enough, really. - Yeah. - Hey, Hawke, so you got to go and catch a plane. Have you got a winner for us? - Yeah, I got a pretty good handy Melbourne on Saturday. Santana, Traktor, Terror Stars come down from Sydney. - You've been on fire too, mate. You've been on fire. You've got the money the other day. You tip it to everyone. - Yeah, well, it's amazing when things go right and they get ridden right. It didn't cover a good beat in the pack of the other. - Yeah, no, no. - You shouldn't go back to packing them right. - No, I'm not, you won't just be a bag of packing them for the rest of this racing season. That's for sure. - And something for the Batless. - Well, I got cash going around Saturday again. He won pretty easy the other day. He's sort of really stepped up over some grounds. So he'll run the listed race in Adelaide Saturday. And the horse that I was sprucing early doors that trialled like a jet the other day, barracks. - Love it. - A two year old by home affairs. We thought we'd get there for the rest of the day. But we just didn't have much luck and the trolled really well the other day. So it'll go to the races later in the week. - This is a little bit different something for the Batless. And I'm not having a crack at this life, but it just made me laugh. Jerry Harvey was in fine form and something for the Batless. He wins the country champion chips. - And let's go. - Yeah, so I think Tommy Haylock put out a tweet. The Cosi Oscar was taken out by John Massara. There was a, and the country championships taken out by Jerry Harvey. In saying that, Jerry Harvey, and we had a chat to a few of the trainers like Brett Kavanaugh and he joke clearly who he trained for as well. He supports a lot of trainers in country, country Australia, Terry Harvey. So he pulls in a lot of cash, but it just made me laugh. - Biggest owner in Australia here. - Correct, yes. - He's the biggest owner of race sources. Actually, no, no, he's the biggest owner in Australia and he's dealing. So what he actually is is the biggest race source owner in the Southern hemisphere. - Yeah, but the country. - We need him desperately. And what he did was for the people that don't know, he dropped the F-bomb on 2007 on Saturday. - Can they get hold of it if you can? - No, no, no. - And it was magnificent. - He might be a billionaire. Do you know what? - But he's a nausea icon. - Just a good load of money. - Do you know when someone used to tell me, how do you, like, how do you judge success, Garrett? And it's like, when you get to a stage where you don't give an F in life in a way, and that's exactly how Jerry Harvey said here the other day, like it doesn't really matter if he swears on National TV. - I'm a billionaire that owns Harvey Norman. I can do what I want. - Well, he's done a wonderful job with magic agents. - Have you ever sworn on the radio, Garrett? - Um, accidentally. Hey, Mike's been hot lately, so you're gonna be fine. - Mike's a hot guy. - Hey, Mike's a hot guy. - Hey, we're gonna let you go. - And he might have accidentally done it. - Thanks for that, mate. Appreciate you. - See you, mate. - See you, guys. - Hey, it will take a break. We'll come back and wrap up the means. Test all things to high-game next. (upbeat music) - Live across the SCM track and RSN Networks. And broadcasting live on racing.com. This is Gideon with Garrett Hors. - Here she comes. She's a halibye. He's winding up down the outside and the fill in. Look at her go. Oh my goodness, different class. She's a halibye for Jamie Mellon, the first filly since the great sunlight to do it. - She's a halibye. That was another high-game here at Highlight. So high-game experts and advanced horse nutrition for performance since 1983. So that's not hard to work out. If she uses high-game, she's definitely the high-game here at Highlight, which she does, she's a halibye. And also, of course, the Osborne South Yarra enjoy amazing $20 parmer specials Wednesday at the Osborne rooftop south Yarra. Simon Lennox is opening up a new pub in Queensland as well. We're gonna do a live show during Stradbroke week. - Really? - Yeah. - Gonna fly you up as well. - The old trip was $30 in the Turnbull SP was 15. So it can work the other way. - It does work the other way too. That's what I'm saying. But the great thing is, please don't bet early and take all those prices. Sit back and have a look and manipulate where you're investing. - The big dance was taken out by Jono Niel, one for the Batlars as well. Agree with Wayne Riela by and Jono has his opinions which I respect. Love the band, and that's from Piggy, get on your Piggy. Joey Starr is a two-linked better horse in his furor, she wins, we're all ask her. - Yes. Gareth, one of Kaying Rising's biggest wins ever was from gate 14, the Hong Kong Sprint. Wayne has lost the plot. There is nothing in Australia. We'll go close to him, especially not his donkey, Briassa, good race for him and Perseville, that's from Gordo. I'm glad you're doing it. - Ciao, Gordo. - Come on, Gordo. - Wayne should send Briassa to the Goodwood. What's happening? We're not gonna ask Wayne about AMN. We've got enough time to that. - No, I think he's sort of. - He was obviously a very good horse at all, but he's just lost his way right. - It's gonna be a great quack that we saw a Roma Cup there on Saturday. So we'll talk to Steve Wolf, we won that race there. The Roma Cup and he's always one of the great teams. - Are you heading over for the quack? - Are you heading over on the. - I'm gonna take a break, we'll come back and wrap up. The means test.