Monday Means Test w/Wayne Hawkes (13/04/26)

Live across the SCM track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on Racing.com. This is Gideon with Garathorff. The Monday Means Test with Wayne Hawkes and John O'Neill. Time for the Monday Means Test. All thanks to High Gain. Find the edge. Keep the Evanions the next Jan High Cain fee developed alongside trainers for racing success. Johnny O'Neill this morning. So it's just Wayne Hawkes and he's back in Melbourne. Hello to you Wayne. Morning Garath, how are you? I am very well. Would you call it High What? High Gain? I can't just check in. What else would I call it? I don't know what you call it. Something. You've been on the High Gain of recent times. Yes, fly. Well, things have been getting ridden right. So that's what that helps. I saw it's not the train as far as the jockey's far. Well, I don't think I've been changing in 25 years. True. I haven't changed by girl. I wouldn't say nothing, but if it ain't broken, don't fix it. If you've got a winning formula, I always thought don't go prime where you don't need to. But now things are going well. Things are going good. We had eight runners and seven of them on the weekend ran one, two, three. So a couple of them didn't. Santana did the autumn glow, didn't run the 1400. You ran it around 1200. Didn't run 1400. It's amazing game this. 100, 200, 400 metres. Not stuff ups a wrong word. I was going to say stuff up, but it's amazing. But that is why Kathy Friedman didn't run in the 200, 200, 400, the 800, the 1500, the 1500. That's why athletes have their specialised. Yes. The Olympics have their specialised distance. Let's kick off the means test here on this Monday morning with the Kings Gambit to kick off the Kings Gambit. This is what Sir Dilius did. And the Queen Elizabeth Stakes to cause the upset in that group one feature at Raw and we're considered a afternoon. Sir Dilius making his beat for victory, lead by a length of half. Autumn Glow is grinding away and Lindemann down the outside. Autumn Glows in trouble. Sir Dilius is this his big moment. Sir Dilius to in front. Lindemann and Autumn Glow do the chasing. But Sir Dilius takes out the Queen Elizabeth Stakes, done a bite, two lengths. Lindemann from last second. Autumn Glow third. These horses obviously, you know, once in a lifetime, also difficult to come across. So I wanted to be able to really achieve that big race win for them and we've been able to get part of the way there today. We've got a couple of slippage, but it's just right up there with one of your great moments with Gage. Yeah, no doubt. In terms of sort of the weight-fraid races, I'd say this is the biggest one that we've been able to win together. They're credit to Adrian Bott, Gable Horde at House and their team. I come in and partnered him two weeks ago in his piece of work and I just said, look, the horse's going really well. He's not fast enough. A week later, I come back in Tuesday morning and sat on him and I said to the team, I said, you done a fantastic job. You know, Adrian, all your team, I done an amazing job because I only get to turn up on Rastay and Ryder. I give him some feedback in the morning and I said, when in the spring, he was flying. He was airborne. And the only time I'd felt that since then was Tuesday morning and wow, what an amazing race horse. So where do we start? There's this. So, Delias, what a mighty performance. It's truly run 2000 meter race and he was the superior horse. He was amazing there on Saturday. I think it's Skatewater House and Aadroon Bott's greatest moment as a training partnership. They're one slippers, but to do that on such a big stage and beat the boom horse in autumn glow like she did was a terrific training performance. And especially what happened to Sir Delias in the spring when he was a warm favourite for a Cox plate. So, Dave Williams, he basically, they had a meeting after Sir Delias' last stop, whether he keeps a ride or not. So, I'm glad he decided to go with him after, of course, what they've been able to do together in the sport of Tharabred Racing. Obviously, they won a Queen Elizabeth together with Criterion. So, they backed in Craig Williams and once again, he delivered on the big stage. Autumn Glow, I think she was mighty still. Like, she just didn't get 2000 meters, but she wasn't good enough. Her unbeaten record comes to an end and then Chris Waller's apology the next day on his social media platforms. I found interesting. And Linderman, what a warrior he is. He's been probably a horse when he's been in the Chris Waller camp for a long time and he's been the horse that will, I used to win the feature races in Sydney during the spring. And we'll have our big guns like Vier's, Susdina, Winner, Cox, played. And I think he proved there on Saturday that he'd be more than competitive if they aim him up at a Cox played in the spring. So, and had it all and I'd love to get you all take on it now, Wayne. Well, I thought it was fantastic for Sir Dillius. I've been banging his drums for a fair while since he first hit the shores in Australia. We all know what happened and letting up the Cox played. It was terrible for connections. There's no doubt about that. But the rules were the rules and the criteria is the criteria. So he had a hotspot that was deemed not good enough to race in Victoria. They did it three months to the day, the same scan and it came up red hot again. Excuse me. So it would be interesting now whether they have done it since that was, you know, three months after the, around the turban stakes time. So it'd be very interesting. Excuse me. It'd be very interesting to see whether that hotspot is actually still there. So the question I don't know is, I don't know whether you know it, question without notice. Because he was barred from racing in Victoria. Is he still barred from racing in Victoria? Well, I've been in contact with racing Victoria today. Right. And they're getting back to me with that information. So because Sydney Let him run and Melbourne didn't let him run. So I don't know if the bar has been lifted. That's my point. That's my point. That's what Kelly was meant to get back to me. Well, he's trying to find out he's really good at short. Where are you short, Kelly? Where are you short? So we would love to know. Because that was the question I got asked a lot over the weekend on social media by the Gideop listeners is what happens? We said, "Dilly is now heading towards the Melbourne spring." So we don't know if that bar has been lifted. Obviously, there's been examples before we're horses haven't been. But this is the best example. This is the current example. Well, without a fight was a good example. Like he didn't pass the protocols after he competed in a Melbourne Cup. So he was allowed to go to a zipping classic and then he went on to win a core-fuel Melbourne Cup double. So it has happened before, but it will be interesting. But this one's relevant and current right now. So it's going to be very interesting because then the day he does have a bar against him, then and it's still coming up red hot. Does that mean that he can't race in Victoria? Yes, I mean arguably. So it's going to put them in a tricky situation. Now if you go back and have a look and Grace Forbes is no longer at racing Victoria, to be fair and to be fair to Grace, the Melbourne Cup was Shiesenhausen. There was horses going and Miss Leffer and Senna and things weren't good. And from the public's point of view, they had to rule along the sand and they went to Grace and said, stop it. Well, to be fair, she probably went too far in my eyes. That's my opinion. A lot of other people think the same thing. But the Melbourne Cup has been run and won and we've had basically zero incident since. We've had zero incident. So the bottom line is they're not bringing out these horses that are half cripples anymore and they're not coming out just for the Shin Dig and let's go to Melbourne and let's have a party there at Melbourne Cup Week at the end of a long campaign of our winter and our spring in England. So it certainly has improved. The surdilis is the world. This is the problem and this is the aftermath of what has happened because there are so many horses out there racing right now that we have no idea. Hand on my heart, I can tell you, I guarantee you there'd be something in mind running around right now that would have exactly the same problem as surdilis but he or she doesn't have to go under the protocol and to quote Chief Stuart Rob Montgomery one day about something completely different. I can't see what I've seen and that is a fair point. Once you know about it, once you've seen it, you have to act on it. So it's a really good test case this one because it shows you that the horses do have issues. They do have problems and do you know what, whether it be Cooper Cronker, whether it be Nick Daycos, whatever you're in a real array of Phil thing is they've never been to the Australian issues sport probably and been fully done but we get away with them because they can talk and they're human so that they can tell you. So with the horses we sort of can't and how you have to relate the horses is being a pediatrician you know like being a kid's doctor, a baby's doctor that you actually actually look for signs and things like that but I thought it was so good when he won because it wasn't a stick it up Melbourne scenario not at all but what it is is that they need to relook at their processes and they need to back it off a bit but I think it's been great. But I think they're anamen in the spring that there was a hot spot and he couldn't run. I think they were. But he was but he just won and he was flying. But I think they were happy with that. I think they were kind of looking at the decision. I know I know for a fact that the horse trotted up perfectly sound. But all of a sudden there was a hot spot so look enough about that but the bottom line is it was so good that he won because we need to reassess these situations and these issues that do arise from. But this is what I can't understand with them way. If there's three independent vets who says they're right though. There's three independent. There's not there's one. There's three independent to say that without like it was unanimous on that board that this horse had a hot spot. And then he wasn't, they weren't satisfied that he wouldn't injure himself in those big one races that he was entered for. So, but who says they're going to be right or they're going to be wrong? Clinically is different. You know what it's a bit like? It's a bit like theory and practical. You can read a book as much as what you want, but when you've got to go and do something practically, it can be so far apart. So the bottom line is that is where it becomes very tough. I mean, it was only two weeks ago, I said to a particular vet that works for one of the industry vets, I won't say which state. And I just said, you know what, I am sick to death of these horses being one out of five lame. I'm sick of it. I said, Garret, what my point is, one out of five could be just slightly off, but is it always slightly off. So I know that they have to have a line to stand starting at one, but we don't have fast ones anymore. We're not in fast twos anymore. In theory, we never put up fast again. So why would, why don't we just turn around and go get rid of a one out of five? If it's one out of five, that means look at it for next time, maybe ask for a vet certificate, but don't put it in the stewards report. The handicap looks at it and says, oh no, Mr. Hall, you know, your horse ran below par, but then the vet said it was one out of five lame. I mean, there were these repercussions that actually come into this. It's because it's an opinion based decision. It's never going to satisfy everybody. No, but they want their cake and eat it too, because let me tell you one thing that is a million percent fact and they won't be able to get around this. If they really, really, really worried about the horse, why doesn't every horse get trotted up as soon as it arrives on race day? You know that. That is the answer. Yeah. Hey, so, Dilly, do you think he would have won the Cox plate last year? Oh, you know, who knows. I would think the VS Estena probably wasn't at the best. You know, Bucker Roo's nearly won. You know what I mean? It's, you know, so treasurer, treasurer, the moment hasn't been going as good. So could he have won? Absolutely. So how do he, he could have won for sure. So how do you like with the, to the bar to be lifted on this horse in Victoria? How do they go about doing that? Did they become a rock and a half plate, aren't they? Because I suppose if they don't have to re-scan him and do the same again, but whatever comes up as a hotspot now and twat, you know, in theory, twelman, nearly, you know, say it's 12 months, you know, we're here with 12 months and it's still there. It might be there forever. They're in a really difficult situation, Racy Victoria now, but I think they need to come out and actually get on the, get on the horse and get going because the thing is people are betting on these races. We have the early markets and I think people love to know. People deserve to know. For starters, the connections deserve to know. Yeah. Granted, I'm sure he's going to panic today for a willing break. But people still deserve to know whether he's actually going to be eligible or whether he's not eligible because it's actually about what I'm sure what they'll say is let's re-scan him, but it's a very, very interesting one. But take nothing away from his victory on Saturday. You know, they were critical of Craig last start. So I was told, you know, being behind, being behind the good mayor and everything, but he couldn't do anything about that. I don't think I thought he wrote his horse extremely, extremely well. So any horse that has been here, there's a few questions coming through. Any horse that's been here for more than 10 weeks is classified as a local horse. So Delias, that if he doesn't go to the Melbourne Cup, he doesn't have to be scanned again, but to, no, but they, but they barred him and then I hang on there. There's a difference though because they, they barred him. So do you think, no, didn't, didn't they bar him? They bar him, yes. That's my point. So he has to re-scan him. Well, he hasn't been barged out against him in Victoria. Yeah. Now it's that that's what they can do. Can they see what he's doing in New South Wales thing? Oh, well, he's okay. Well, they can. Yes. They can do whatever they want. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take a break. We'll come back and have a chat about all of them glow straight after this. This is the means, Tesla thinks they're high-game. Live across the SEM track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com. Welcome back to Gideon. This is the Monday means, Tesla thinks to high-game. High-gain fuels champions view their complete range of advanced feed and supplements at high-gain.com.au. We'll get to a few text messages as the morning rolls on. Come on, Wayne Garathorff's hypothetical races. spends a lot of time discussing what could have been. Might have been. That's from Brian's Good, I love it. I love it. It's good pub tour. It's good pub tour. Morning G and Wayne. Gold Trip is the case study here. If you don't remember, he was scratched by the cox plate by RV Engraze. Went to Sydney, did his thing, then came back to Melbourne. We all know what happened. That's from Gordo. What does a hotspot actually indicate? Is it joint inflammation or something to do with the bone structure? Both? Is that both or something else? Well, it could be. It depends on what's game. It's arguably yes, but it doesn't tell you what quite often it cannot tell you what the issue actually is. Hey, fellas, no one has mentioned Aliana would she have won or put it to say, dearly, is considering she would have got 2000, that's from Phil. That's a good question, Phil, as Brian loves to hear us talk about. That's a hypothetical, but she would have been mighty hard to beat. She would have been there about she's, look at her once, the great me left has gone, there's a stinger, all of a sudden, she's gone to where the next level, she haven't gone to the next level, just a V isn't there. I want to get your opinion on her scratching on race day morning, like it was interesting for mine. I love Chris Waller. I think that you would stop beating around the bush. Well, I don't know, were they ever going to run? I don't know. Well, you would think I don't know the answer, but you would think they would because I don't know how much scratching were, but it would have been a lot of money to scratch. Yep. So you wouldn't go through all the BS of putting it in and accepting. Your mind if it was a bush was. I've got to get to a break, it's a 9.58, we'll come back with plenty more straight after this. This is the Monday means test. Wayne Hawks has ready to go. He's been firing in the early part of the means test. People thinks the high gain, find the edge, keep the advantage. The next gen high gain feed develop alongside trainers for racing success. Back to that question I asked you regarding aliena. Did it surprise you that they scratched on race day morning? No, because you're allowed to scratch up until 7.30am. Yeah. That is official scratching time. So once you've accepted, you've gotten to whenever you want. So they were within their rights to go until 7.29 and then scratcher. The other thing is that in yesterday, acceptance was Thursday morning. So you'd work your horse Tuesday, you'd work your horse Thursday and you'd go, no, she works, she's in house and I'm not running it. You just don't accept. So now it comes out on the, most of the races on the Wednesday, I'm not even sure what those races were. Were they early? They might have even been Tuesday. Maybe I can't remember. Yeah, they were Tuesday because they did the barrage, so they were Tuesday morning. That's even earlier. So the advantage though with a normal Wednesday, if you draw 17, you go, well, I'm not giving a salt wash, I'm not giving it a blad, I'm not going to gallop it Thursday because I'm not going to run. So that's the advantage of deciding that you're going to scratch it early. But you know what, they're well within their rights by 7.29 and to do what they want to do. So they're allowed to do it. And I don't think because the group one race that makes any difference, I mean, if you're not happy with the horse, don't run it. You know what most people do? Most people just run it for the sake of saying, one more. Run, I'll just run and they run the Shies and House and everyone goes, oh, that wasn't very good. You can understand why you can understand the reason. Yeah, Chris Wallace said that she had two tough runs. Her grandfather was the start before they gave her an opportunity to see if they could get to a Queen Elizabeth, but she just didn't work as well as she had in the early part of her campaign. So there's a side of the scratch here. But I reckon they knew after they galloped it during the week, but it doesn't matter. They're still within their rights to wait until 7.30 is official scratching time. Autumn Glow, let's talk about her. She was beaten as a dollar 30 on favorit for a Queen Elizabeth. She was looking to keep her unbeaten run alive and this was her first go at 2,000 meters. The next day Chris Wallace, the champion trainer, he put this on his social media platforms and it reads, "Autum Glow has come through yesterday's run well. Which has been pleasing to see. I'm disappointed for the horse as she gave everything in the race, but I simply got her distance range wrong. I apologise to everyone for that. We'll accept defeat graciously and come back better. We will now look ahead to the spring where Autumn Glow can shine again. I'll speak with the owners, map out an exciting preparation and keep you updated. Congratulations to Sir Dillis and their team on a brilliant win." What do you think? I didn't mind it. You didn't mind it? No. Because you're either going to go one way. People are either going to say, "Yeah, fair call or what a suck job." It's going to be one or the other. People are going to look at that and let's call it for what it is. It's either one or the other. It just decides you the person listening decides whether you think one way or the other. Coming out and saying, "I got it wrong and stuff like that." I don't mind that because we do get it wrong. We get it wrong often and everyone's a wasteful of great advice and everyone in the world. ways loves helping you train them. But when the, when the comes to the big crunch sometimes, plenty of owners go missing going, I'll leave it a year, bloke, to the side because now I want to put their name to it. So, but you know, I don't know, with you know. It's had 103 reads weeks. Yeah. 126,000 impressions on the X platform. So for me, I think it's important Chris Waller is transparent when it comes to horse like autumn glow because she becomes public property. Yeah. She was such a fair and a big story leading up to that race and the debate was whether she would get 2,000 meters or not. You know, John Massara really well. He was, he was doubting whether she would get 2,000 meters. He probably was leading towards the 1600 meters, but Macdonald and Waller said all along that they believed she would get 2,000 meters. And as Waller pointed out in that statement there on his social media platforms that they got that distance range wrong. Now many say that it was a truly run race and she defeated some stars over 2,000 meters like DeBiohna for instance. I don't think, I don't think the answer is I got it wrong. I don't believe that at all because no one knows. So, Dilly's is talking about maybe a Melbourne Cup. How do you know he's going to run 2 mile? You don't. Now, what was the, the wedding singer? What's his name? What was that also Sheila Laxter then? When the Melbourne Cup two years ago? Nice choice. Right. He was by extreme choice. Now, now extreme choice was banging around, you know, running in, you know, Oakley plates in Newmarket. So, I mean, no one would ever have thought extreme choice was going to sigh a Melbourne Cup winner. You don't know that. I mean, when Shamus award won the Cox Plate, then I went, wow, 1100 meter Oakley plate when a stitch, stitch in the train, Cox, play when you don't know. And pedigrees, I mean, so much. Because in the day, it's up to the individual and we, and we see some freaky things and horses do some freaky stuff that they really, really shouldn't do. And nice choices probably is good advertisement for that. So, I don't think to say they got it wrong. You were putting her in that race to test her to see whether she runs 2000 meters to set up the spring. Well, you've learnt one pretty important fact now. She does not run 2000. And I don't know how many people that would have, it's easy to say it now, but beforehand would have said, "Oh, I don't think she'll get 2000." Everyone looked at her and thought she'll just get 2000 on a year. I mean, she come to corner and Jamie came to loop in his reins. It was bloody ridiculous. I was in the trainers room at Corp, whatever it was going to be. "Oh, I have a look at this thing. Just smoke up." And she didn't do it. The last 400, as I said off the top, 200, 100, 200, 400 can stop most horses. They don't just keep running and running and running. And they, and they actually, it was like a, so they, the opposition jockeys had to look at Autumn Glow and they thought to themselves, like, "How's the, how are you going to beat her?" And the way to beat her was to try and take her outside of her comfort zone. And that's what they did. Like Light Infantry Man went very quick up front. Linda Men, he usually leads. He, that's really well I gave him one hell of a ride because he understood how quick they were going. So he, he rode his horse and he nearly pulled off one of the great Queen Elizabeth rides. So it was a fun race to watch. What they actually did was they actually served it up the J-Mac. That's exactly what they did. Now, how many times have I sat on this program and said, "Why do these Sydney bloaches keep well, not back enough, let J-Mac into the one one?" There they did. They, they served it up to him. And he decided to come back. Did he even come back too far? I wouldn't have made it any different. But he did want to get out of the dog fight and get it where she was settled and balanced because that's what James does. James does not ever get his horses off balance. He does not get a man of the comfort zone very, very rarely would you ever see him, ever see him do that. So at the end of the day, it wasn't wrong. Now, the win, win, win, win, win thing is fantastic. But I thought about it and I thought from an AFL point of year, I reckon Colton in 1995, they got beaten once. Yeah. They won a grand final. I'm not sure about the N.R.R. but I'm sure someone will text in with the greatest performance of a year. I mean, any, any team come personal, never happens. Tiger Woods is the only one in theory to have won so many like he did back in the back in those great days and the black caviar and the winters. They've settled this up to be, oh, we have to win. No, you don't. Because if you were genuinely feeding him about about keeping her winning record, you would have run her in the mile race. You wouldn't have tried her in the 2000 meter race. And the go one step further, Reg Fleming, Bart Cummings, old form and said to me, he said, mate, it might have been Bart's reign, black caviar. And he had his way. He would have stretched her out to see how far she'd get. No, he would not. I probably don't say no, Bart would have nothing of a Reg Fleming to hold me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said that he, Bart would be wanted to try everything over and over, over a further distance to see how far they would get. So I don't think it's wrong. And you know, for Christus, say, I was wrong or what was the quote was, I was wrong. Yeah, he said that I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I simply got her distance range wrong. Well, I apologise to everyone. I don't, I don't think he needs to apologise to anyone. I think he never said, if you want to keep her a distance in a range, you run her in the mile to try and keep her record intact. And she would have done that. But you're trying her over 2000 for the first time in everyone thought she was just going to get 2009 or year. And guess what? She didn't. So does she come off her perch from being the best horse in the country? I don't think so because she got beat, teams get beat every week, players get beat. Who would you back right now? She's all about autumn glow weight, fray, java, mile, autumn glow. Yeah, autumn glow. Yeah. Interesting that Hutching Gay to both said she's all about this morning. But that's okay because everyone's allowed. Yeah. Everyone's allowed their opinion. We don't know where she's all about ears in theory because she's a three year old Philharthus had a really light weight and did the job amazingly well. Probably Nilly would be as good a performance of the autumn as what we've seen. And you know, you'd probably nearly go as far as I say it was probably if it wasn't the best of the whole racing season, it was probably going to be second or third best. So, but we don't know where her ceiling is with autumn glow. Well, she's ticked another box. We know she doesn't like 2000, but she's a freaky horse and she can race up on the pace off the pace. You know, she's all about your 16. You go on back. I'd like to see if she draws Barry three and whether she can really go forward and take a real forward spot because you're going to get beat more times than what you win if you're a dead set back marker. It was interesting talking to William Haggis on Thursday for you to get up stable male before the Queen Elizabeth. And I asked him that question. I said he would have been chilling cheering on Sir Dylan. Yes. No, he was I asked him the question on Thursday and I said, if you had one, if you could have one horse in your stable right now and it was either she's alibi or autumn glow, which one would you have? And he says straight away, that's a no brainer, Gary. It's autumn glow. And he was adamant that she would get 2000 meters as well. We all do. See, even the great William Haggis got that wrong. So, um, so yeah, it would be interesting to see what she does. It's good pub talk. You know what now are they going to meet each other? Probably no, I can't see it in the spring unless, unless Moody goes to King the King Charles. What work? What could Moody run the King Charles? Yeah, he could and then drop it back to the and then we only drop it back. No, not much. To the 1500 to the to the Eagle. Oh, megal and then you don't you don't run in Melbourne or or they just end up on the last day of the Flemington Carnival. Well, that one happened because I and then Dick Moody will back her up within a week after racing in Sydney. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. I reckon there's more possibility that they go to the King Charles, where she's alibi. They meet autumn glow there and the Charles has become a very, very good race. Yeah. It was a great race last year and the year before. So at the end of the day, that's where they're all they're all heading. So, you know what, but same thing they don't have to run against each other because if they don't run against each other, everyone's still having this pub talk about who's right or who's wrong, but it's worth racing. So just to shame that Cox plate market's been like changed, it's changed considerably after last week because you had autumn glow as the favourite. Now she's $11 with bet 365. You've got three equal favourites. Kaland again, alongside Sir Deleus and Alianna, both all $3.4.50. So treasurer, the moment's just a she's, is she done? Is she forgot? No, she was okay. I thought I thought it was great. I thought her run was fantastic. I thought she was okay. So just having a look at the Cox plate market. Now, and I reckon we'll get more internationals to this year's Cox plate because it's at Flemington. So to be interesting to see what happens there and look in the Cox plate market now, you've got Alianna, Kaland again, who's probably more unlikely than likely, but it would be great to see him come to Melbourne. Sir Deleus, then she's out of buy. $7 won't be here. Because Stad's the international horse at $9.00, autumn glow, she's out to $11.00 now. Then half yours at 15 that we get to see for the first time in the autumn. She goes or he goes around in the all age and then char well for $17. So it's an interesting market. A week can be a long time in racing. No doubt. No doubt. But you know what? Same thing. So you know the Missour as well. Yes. So what's her? There was talk, Mick Gurem mentioned this as I said on the verdict with Michael Felgate last week that if they go to Royal Ascita, won't be the Queen Anne. It will be the 1200 meter race at the on the final day of the carnival. That's the way that they would go with autumn glow. I'm hearing the same. We'll met to hopefully we're going to get John Missour on today, but he was unavailable. But I wouldn't be surprised if they go down that path. You said a week's a long time in horse racing. Well, I'm going to start by saying you know 15 months. Are you hearing what I was hearing? Yeah. I've heard what you've heard. And I suppose if you look at it from the point of view of you know 1200 versus a mile, it's probably easier to knock them off over there at 1200. Is she versatile enough for them glow? I look at things like lawn row. I reckon lawn row He was trained to win a new market first up. I reckon he would So it's probably easier to probably go over there and run over 1200 of them what it would be for a mile The other thing is is that if you look at a Stradbroke and you know a new market of yesterday year and you know Stradbroke's 1,400 but it's nearly 1500. It's nearly a mile a new market It's probably closer to 1,400 than what is for a 1200 so my point is that 1200 meter race Probably it might be a 1300 meter race. So it's within a range So you say oh no, she's you know would you just just run in the mile? They're pretty hard to beat over there those puppies when when you start getting over further than 1200 meters So if they decided to run the 1200 that wouldn't surprise me and you're just probably keeping a little bit fresher than what you would to be running in a mile And so it probably would it would be you know what these are the decisions that you have to make and these are the great ones to be talking about But they're bloody hard to make because you then this is where you really want to get it right Adam Blanco from racing and sports comm says On his ratings that at the moment we've got the two best miles in the world And she's our divine autumn clay So yeah, it'd be interesting and The autumn's the autumn's a long time away the spring will shape it so much better and you know for where they're gonna go on what they're gonna do but To these last 12 months we've had some really good horses come through and rise to the top of the tree Is what we need them are a field's got a slot in the Everest I think they still got the slot I know they saw this sure they do a deal with star. I don't know bit. I So could she go first up into an Everest Into the King Charles I would think that would without knowing her I reckon that it'd be pretty hard to do in an Everest against those horses There would be rock hard and solid if you're gonna do that you'd want to have a run in the premier a couple weeks beforehand To be going second up and you could do that you could run in a premier and then decide after the premier Whether a 1200 at your next start could work. I mean these are the great things that we now weren't talking about on Friday Now I was talking a whole different thing with autumn glow and those freaky horses could do freaky How is it yeah, sorry, but the I wouldn't be I would not be running here in an Everest first up because if you're taking on the Jimmy stars the Briasses the jolly stars the Kaying Rising's you know Tintirus Those sort of horses that are rock hard and fear tempted. Yeah, I forgot about it. That was a great win on Saturday You you know what she won't I would honestly say she wouldn't be beating those horses first up over 1200 because they They'll be rock hard and fit because that is their grand final most of those horses Well, you were talking about her running first up in that race. What was your feedback like with your comments regarding Kaying Rising and if you could win an Everest If you're sorry why without cover a lot of people agree with me Well, that will you ask me no no no no no no no listen I don't I don't even tell lies. I tell you where the whether people like it or not I tell the truth yeah plenty of people that was the one thing people spoke me about during the week. Yeah people said I said well I I You never know what people really think but the people that said things to me was basically going well, I don't disagree three wide-faced in the breeze So that's so that's Gangsta granny three wide-faced in the breeze that's a Zach Lloyd on the galaxy winner Mahubah three wide-faced in the Balinese patina one and every three while with that cover. Yeah, but that's that that no Why won't won't be happening he will he's not that he hasn't got panels on I think that I think the wet practice he's biggest concern Maybe so yeah, maybe so it's good pub talk any well how we're gonna take a break There's a host you love massive love shit staring do you love it? I'm asking your question and that's okay I'm just sticking to it if the diva if Kaying sits wide and has to do all the work he'll get beat I just tripped it. I'll see if I can read out a few of the responses on our social media. That's okay You know what? There we love it. Yeah, but there we love it and and they're allowed their opinion Yeah, but I'm talking from racehorse trainer that has some idea. I'm not saying I have every idea No, but I think I talking about the a/f and what they shouldn't shouldn't do I'm talking facts of what I see and what I know Kaying rising had the perfect run in the Everest popped around one horse and away he went in one well I was I was he was 14 links off him he wouldn't be winning and I'm an idiot because the King Charles and ever is from the same day So that I have to choose one. Well, that's true. Yeah, I just worked that out. Yeah I'll hate to see the tip that would be coming at me That's that that's why you're a radio. No, I just I just grew and not a not a I was just looking at I'm thinking I soon as I said it I thought to myself I don't think that can happen because the King Charles on the same day And then I just the King Charles on the same day as the Everest so now I've got lots of options We're gonna go. Yeah, you know what they'll work it out. They'll go to the King Charles before the Everest You would have thought yeah I mean it's past 10 will take a break will continue on the Monday means test next Live across the SCM track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com This is Gideon with Garathorff Welcome back to Gideon up. This is the Monday means test on this Monday morning all thanks to of course high gain High gain is the new benchmark and racing nutrition formulated using the latest scientific research Plenty of questions coming through where do we start? If they don't nominate Sir Dilly is for Melbourne cup to see still get scanned or is it only for Melbourne Cup nominated horses Well, it's only for the Melbourne Cup nominated horses, but because he's been barred I'm a coach player the Cox player. No, no no no no no not for the local So because he's been barred. I don't know if he has to be scanned again I just been in contact with racing Victoria nothing still nothing still nothing Yeah, it's too hard to speak to Rob Montgomery or Jamie steer. Yeah. We'll a 12 out of 10 right on Sir Dilius turned it into a true staying test Boys would they be likely to retire autumn glow send it to the breading barn a little sooner Then what the other superstar may as they've been doing a recent times? Well, no, there would be no way that you'd do that. John John Massara had Miss Finland 2020 25 years ago. Yeah, he won a golden slipper Chin up when he and oaks and she won a group one at four years of age and he's waited 25 years Between between horses to get this horse. He's not gonna be doing that and if you was what you could do is you could go to Royal That's got next year and then you could keep her in Keep her in Europe and serve her to make an up a frankil or something like that Southern hemisphere time and then bring her home in Foul I G man do no way was a vet stick to what you do best way these vets of education listen to the experts It's not all about the dollars. That's Michael So Michael what you're saying is that just because you're a doctor and you got a bachelor bachelor of Science or whatever you have to have to be a doctor means that you're good doesn't yeah the answer is just because you are qualified Doesn't mean to say that every plumber every account and every electrician is good at what they do The difference with what we do is there is not a textbook that sees exactly B and C and this is absolute protocol to follow it is so great what we do and that's why I've made reference to being a pediatrician being a Kids doctor the and the kids can't talk at that age we have to do a lot a lot of guesswork here Garrett all this is dilly is fiasco is a logical the same rules need to apply in Victoria in New South Wales If it's opinion-based then we need something in concrete that's from Mark well calls them will worth that won't happen Coles and will we're like that won't happen we'll get to most of those text messages is the morning I'm false would to get to our other topics who's the best sprinter in the land? We saw attempt to do what she did in the arrowfield. Do you think she is now the most exciting sprinter in this country way? It's really good though They've kept the light they'll have enough much with us. She's gone the paddock now going to get ready for the Everest and she's just adding another mix back into the Yeah back into the Everest so Look you couldn't say that she's better than jolly star because what jolly stars done this preparation There's nothing sure to fantastic but same same if you're in jolly's camp well done if you're in templates camp well done You know, I mean so at the end of the day all is going to be doing is setting it up for a for a great Everest and what you hope for is that all these Horses arrive on the same day in their best form and if they all bring their best form the Everest is going to be one hell of a race yet again Pride of Jenny is our next topic. She was midfield in a Queen of the turf out of flight defending lady Shannon Dyer Trace of the moment back and third. She's a hustler was a run I reckon she's a black book horse for Queensland She's a nine-year-old man next season. What would your expectations be with pride of Jenny Wayne? Well your expectations are that she's been retired 13 13 thousand times. She said more comebacks in John Farnham And you know what good on her. I mean she's done an amazing job But did they get it wrong Oh, now look at Karen. You're gonna say anything here. You won't say I think it's Tony what a break She'd be too worried what he's gonna say. No, I know I Remember what no, I think he got it right if he ran if she yeah, 100% you say so go on tell me what if she ran in the The way that that race was run and we cover your heights putting pressure on and obviously Ethan Brown rolling along there with Rolling along with Light infantry man. I think she would have finished Back in the field pride of Jenny. Yeah, but the difference is it would have been a bit like the Cox plate She's a 2000 meter horse. Yeah, right. I think she's a 16-100 meter horse. Okay, you're allowed your opinion She's a 2000 meter horse I reckon and the bottom line is she's probably a bit of suit to 2000 than what she would at the mile and she didn't do the mile so you can tick that box off that it didn't work. So this is only hypothetical. So no one will really know. But if she was in the 2000 meter race, some of these jockeys probably would have ridden maybe a little bit different than how they actually did. Yeah, probably because they, as I said before, they did serve it up with J-Mac. So it's easy if she got, it's easy now she's got beat to come in and say, "I think they got it wrong on whatever." I would have run her in the 2000 because I always think that you shouldn't be scared of one horse in autumn glow. Now, do they get beat not very often? So we're in rare rare because when you're talking the great horses, they win way more than what they get beat. But then the day she come off for 2000 meter win in the Australian Cup and I watched that race on the home corner and she was under the pump and for her to come and just do what she did and run so well in the Australian Cup. Why didn't the tree man got beat 10 links? Yeah, but they have that. But those old horses have their days though. They can just, when they're quite a killers, when you put them in, they don't win and sometimes when you don't put them in, up they get. So I shouldn't say wrong, wrong. But at the end of the day, they chose to go to the mile because I thought that was the right way to do it. If she was in the 2000, it would have been a totally different ballgame because you can't look at that. It's a bit like looking at the Colts and the Phillies division going, "Oh, the Phillies ran half a second quicker than the Colts and whatever." Yeah, you have to have some sort of line up, but it doesn't always work because things would have changed and patterns and, you know, pressure. That's another thing that we don't have a pressure index really do with you to see the amount of pressure. It's like a lot of those Western Australian horses win and win very, very easy. And then they come over the Eastern States and they find it way harder because it's called pressure. It's not easy. But she's been a freaky horse. I mean, she has had more retirements than John Farnham and for them to decide to bring her back and go, "Mate, she's in bloody good form and we think she can win and she does come back and win." It's exciting for the game that we're having these mares continuing to race on it. The Empire Rose. The Empire Rose was one of the highlight victories because she was down and out on the carpet and she was done. She was rocky that was beaten and back she'd come in a way she went again. Everyone went nuts. She's been such a great horse for racing and to do what she's done. And we will always remember that Queen Elizabeth every year when the Queen Elizabeth comes around. There will be replays of what Jenny did and she didn't just win. She spanked and looked what she spanked. Yeah. Jenny Mac was blowing up, wasn't he? Yeah. I was so happy. I was so happy for Matthew Smith as well. He's a good trainer in that performance with Anna Flyer was exceptional. Like ladies and dyer, I'm trying to her heart out as well and she was very good. But Anna Flyer was heavily supported in that Empire Rose against Pride of Jenny in the spring and she didn't turn up but they got it right on Saturday. Yeah, they certainly didn't. She isn't in great form. Zach Lloyd. He said one hell of an autumn carnival. Yeah. But you know, look, he's the next he's the next best superstar and where he's going to win way more than some of the other jockeys is that he rides lights. So he's going to have those light rides in Cox plates and Corfield and Melbourne cups and Strad Brokes and those big big handy caps. He's going to be the the G boss and the Chris months and those sort of those sort of names. Zach, he certainly outsmarted him and he's riding on the quest for wave. There's noted about that. It's 1029. This is the money. Means test, carathol and Wayne Hawkes with you. It's great to have your company. Revvie may be listening on your local RSA 927 dial with the 42 stations. We broadcast route Victoria. Revvie may be listening right across the country on SEAN track. The SEAN app and RSA and apps and of course watch us on racing.com. Time for a quick break and we'll come back with more of the means test next. Live across the SEAN track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com. This is Gideon with garathol. This is the Monday Means test this Monday morning. All thanks to high gain, high gain fuels champions view their complete range of advanced feed and supplements at highgain.com.au.txtmessages flying through. How bloody good was devil night Wayne? Yeah and probably career best former would think he would be in right now. I reckon that was his best best run and it took a super horse intempted to beat him and someone told me they broke the race record as well. He led from the go and he ran super. What do you do with him now? Wow, you obviously got a cup of options. We got three really. You can retire him. You can go the good wood or you can go the doom in 10,000 but we just need to wait and see how he is in the next couple of days before half making a decision one way or the other. Glad you don't think you know what you're on about when you talk 40 Hawksy because Carlton lost two games in 95 to teams at finish last and second last that year big bets on themselves paid for the end of season 40 trip. I garithed and he could eat and he changed any chance Wayne can talk about the average without bringing up Ryasa. Couldn't win the good wood if he started today. Well that's silly because Brassa totes way up to win last week and didn't handle the wet tracks. So if you don't handle the wet track you can't you can't win. If it's wet on Saturday he won't be running in the the all-age stakes. So then the day what I said was Jimmy star Brassa Jolly star Tentirus and then you jumped over with Tempta. They're all the horses that are going to be running. Dead set, Wayne what plan are you on? Carl Ying does have panels on our sprinters and we would never allow himself to get caught three wide and he would never allow himself to get caught three wide. Yeah the perfect run last year because he's always puts himself in the right spot. Give him Barry of 55 and he'll still win that's from Alex. Alex everyone's entitled their opinion but same thing again mate he hasn't got panels on him. Yeah. If any of those horses I just mentioned that are heading towards the Everest were in Hong Kong and Kaying wasn't there right now they would be the dominant one whether we're Jimmy star or whoever that'd be winning as well. So I'm not begging him. He's a great great horse he's going to get in it's one of the great great horses but he can't afford it no horse can afford to come and sit three wide do everything wrong and still win when you're going to be in a race of that level. This yeah you just you just can't. I mean it's as simple as that you've got to be on your A game and you don't have to have all the breaks but you just don't need any bad luck. The scheduling now this is our next category the Quokka will be conducted on Saturday the same days the all-age stakes. The Quokka's got Cabalis this is a $5 million race. Cabalis is a $3.55 from Jigsaw at $4.00 Ray Big Nero at $6.00 Jenny Bill at 11. Loan and Missed 11 wrote the minute 13 and I've got some male too around regarding the Quokka. Okay. What I'm hearing. Go on. There might be a big star attraction that was a big hit during the Melbourne Spring that will turn up to Ascot on Saturday afternoon. Go on. Well I don't know if I'm allowed to give away too much details but I think that's easy for everyone to work out. You wish for the main outside. What horse? No it's not Fisher. Fisher's going to play there is definitely not anyway. Who was it Louis? You tell me. Are you not? Louis and I don't know. Well he was a big star in social media during the Melbourne Spring. Yeah well. Are you not too bad a horse? No no it's a big horse. I thought you were going to bloody horse. It feels been announced for the Quokka. That's what I'm thinking. What are you talking about? Oh a person. Yeah with a big personality. Well it would be blogs. Yeah it could be. It would be blogs easy going. Are you going to Perth? Yeah I'm going to Perth. You're going to Perth. I'm leaving Wednesday afternoon. Wow. And the all-age has got Jimmy Starth $3 giga kick $4.00 Fan Girl $450. Angel Capital $5.50 by Wack $8.00 Briata $12. So the big guns are in the all-age. There's the bet. What $12.00 Briata? Oh 100%. He didn't get $14.00 the other. Well that's exactly the other day. So that was last year. The other day was 12 months ago and he ran $13.60. So you think you'll get $14.00? He got coloured the last 40 metres. He sat outside the leader. So he needs to draw the right barrier. If he gets one if he gets one one he's going to be right up to his ears and $12.00 is over. There's there's no doubt about that. Yeah. Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, Shillers riding in, he's riding in the quaker too this year. So who's riding Briata? Oh, something you don't know Garret. You would tell him all about Briata last week. Well Mark, guess just Frank Wayne, he was on the phone just before and is that Lloyd riding? Exactly Lloyd. Did you try and get McDonald? No. No. Well he's got full, he's got four opportunities. McDonald's Fan Girl, Bivewack, Angel Capital. He's riding Fan Girl. Easy. There you go. So I was told. So Tyler, Shillers decided he's decided to go to Perth. Is that disappointed? No. No. It is what this is. Well he was booked. He was booked ages 100% and we said there'd be some chance that we'd be going to the all-As but we don't know. And this is one of the problems where the carnival's overlap and this is the problem with the, you know, it's a Derby Day, the the Golden Eagle was being run. So all of a sudden if Jamie Carl, let's say kept the ride, we should be in Sydney. She won't be in Melbourne. Jamie McWas at last year. He was in Sydney, didn't ride in Melbourne. He was to get a bean in there on Derby Day. And that's a disappointing part about the spring because the best part used to be from Kofiwgini's day onwards. Those guys, you know, the beavers and those people just come to Melbourne for four weeks. They'll be riding track work and be there every day and it was So good. and you can throw your colors at so many of the best jockeys in the world and a way you go, whereas now the split is at the right time for the quacka probably because yeah, I think you are having the horses that are joining on the spot that are running so so well at the moment, but you're not gonna take it, you're not gonna take those horses that are Everest and and TJ Smith horses, but is the quacka gonna happen next year? Yeah, well, I sure because I one one thing I did here was it was a bit iffy Okay bad happening next year well, I'll ask a question when I get to W. Wait you can get because I know what you say wait or exceed Well, if that's okay if they got bloggers coming out from the UK then there's a possibility they got plat like so I would imagine that they would give it a every Opportunity it is their biggest it's their biggest race day nearly So is that good is that good for Perth race in 52 weeks of the year? It is because you're getting eyeballs yeah eyeballs on the spawn It gives the locals to race for some big prize money, but they would dig a little bit of Jimmy star or a Briassa or a giga kick to be their way This James McDonald riding trot us. Oh, no, that's the concentrate please. That's the Canadian Superstays the world's best driver James McDonald. Yeah, the world's best. Yeah, the world's always behind decks to Dunsar. James McDonald But he's he won the world driving championship in New Zealand last year So you were close weren't you going to the quacka with Briassa? No Next year you'd be a chance if it's on next year would look at it But Briassa has never been away before he's never he's never been this way of going as in Melbourne way of going He's never he's actually never ever been to the Melbourne stable. He's never been away from our real stable Which is very rare, but it was this is this is what we face today with Gangsta granny. I don't know whether she's actually ever been the Melbourne either and see those horses would have guaranteed to have raced in Melbourne previously But now with the way that Sydney is structured compared to Melbourne you have these horses that just don't come to Melbourne anymore And you just you just don't see them. It's as simple as that Do you think the Adelaide carnival could they Make full use of gather around or you think you need to separate racing and footy? Well, you know what I mean, it's quite an interesting thing could we have had could we have had You know three great ones at Morphaville last Saturday? I mean, it certainly would have worked because there's a lot of people I don't think it would have well yeah would have and I'll tell you why because there's a lot of people that went together around But the wouldn't be you've got the wouldn't have gone to a Saturday afternoon match because they were there for the Saturday night match or the Friday match or the Sunday match So if you reckon you thanks to horses would have been there Well, the thing is where Adelaide's positioned. It's two it's on top of Sydney isn't it? So you're not gonna you're not gonna compete with Sydney. So that's why they run You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a week right because I reckon you've got this idea that you've got an idea how you can How you think this Adelaide carnival Should be run maybe all right. I'll give you a week. You can come back with that This is your opportunity to try and like you want to be at a minister out of this place. No, no I wouldn't want to see I wouldn't want to know I wouldn't want that job There'd be too hard. But you think there's an opportunity maybe they can learn from gather around Well then the day I mean if you could combine If you could combine the racing with GatherM why wouldn't you because as I said there's a lot of people over in Adelaide that obviously have come from All over the country. It's a you know, it's a bit like a tea exactly what it's like One of the great nights of the year is Mooney Valley the night before the grand final They get eight 10,000 people there normal night they get 2000 and so many interstate people there going Hey, how you going ever seen you for what are you doing here? Well, I'm good I'm lucky enough to get the grand final morris for the boys and I we thought we'd just come out to Mooney Valley So it would actually work, but it would probably need to be a bit later You know then round what it was around five just gone for gather around and then I'm gonna move they're not going to move for us and they won't want to go any deeper either because then you're starting it we get to Easter and the weather's pretty good in Adelaide Melbourne once you're past Easter, then it can be a little bit dussy, she last weekend was freezing cold and if you were in Victoria, if you're winning Victoria, a lucky lucky you. Yeah, no one would have turned up to the races on Saturday and it was freezing. Yeah, correct. Hank, time for a break. We'll come back with you. Yes, yes, yes, our own owns and all of your text messages as well. This is Gideop and the Monday means test. Live across the SCN track and RSN networks and broadcasting live on racing.com. This is Gideop with Garathorff. Profoundly gets going so does after some of the outside classic gym and our Hopi wins and the white blinkers is winding up on the outside. Profoundly takes the lead at the 200, a Hopi wins, she's looming ominously today and a Hopi wins moves up to Profoundly with after summer fighting in the middle. A Hopi wins gets a half on Profoundly and after summer and a Hopi wins claims the Oaks double. Hopi wins a half. So I hope Awin, she's the Monday high gain hero of the week. I hope Awin so is fueled by high gains products. Find the edge, keep the advantage. The next gen high gain fee developed alongside trainers for racing success. She was a great training performance to do what Walla did with her. Grand Finals in New Zealand travel across the Tasman and then rock up in two group ones. She didn't perform at her best, I don't reckon in that vineery. And I don't think she was completely at her best there in the Australian Oaks, but she did enough. Quite often what you find is the horses when you take them away, the first run can be good, but the second runs better. And that's exactly what happened to her. The 2000 meter vineery run, look, they were still working around probably and James hadn't ridden her before and I reckon that that was one of the best rides I've ever seen James McDonald ride. That was incredible. You only got to watch from the 600 meters onwards. They are all off and going and he just sat and he tacked up, tacked up, tacked up, tacked up. So if you didn't see it, go and go and watch the replay. It was one of the greatest rides I've ever, ever seen James McDonald ride to only win by nose and to fly in the outside and to do what he did. I mean, to use Dennis Committee's line, centimeter perfect. It was quite incredible how he rode that horse and he was still just tacking up until the top of the straight. I thought it was a phenomenal performance, really. Do we get that on record? What? Hawksy praising Jay Mac, unbelievable. Let's see, you are just a sh*tster. No. I've told you before, he won a golden slip of four. I've got a trophy that says, "JS." Golden slip, what's your point? He creates history and you can say nice word about him and then. That's true, what he's doing. Hey, let's get to our own nose, please. You will hear it. Five our own nose, thanks to the Osborne South Gara. Celebrating style, the Osborne rooftop South Gara. Perfect for every event. Simon Lennox, a wonderful job. If I tell you what, he's got a new venue opening up in Brisbane in the middle part of May, and we might be doing a special straight broke type of lunch. Really? Like we did at the Ascot Vale Hotel. Really? Your own nose, Wayne. There's only one. Yes. We haven't spoken about it. The core field track. It wasn't that bad, was it? Yeah, it wasn't. You know what? If there's a problem, and I would have to look at it and think that there has to be a problem. If there's a problem, I'd rather them come out and say it. The Sam the Q-Rot is a bloody good fellow and he's doing his absolute best, but I just reckon there has to be a problem there. The rail was out wide and they were coming in the outside fence and the inside wasn't great and it really, really wasn't. We're an outdoor sport. We're all big people. We're all educated enough to understand. The winters are going to win, and the complainers are going to complain. But tell people that the track might be 100%. We love hiding these things because we'll it affect turnover and all this sort of stuff. Well, it probably does anyway because the people looking at the way the track is racing and how it's going. And, you know, I've been a big fan of Sam's and I'm not blaming him because it might be his problem and he might know what's going on and he might be getting told. He can't say anything either, but I would much rather someone come out and say, yes, we'll own it. We have a problem and we're in the pros of fixing it or there's something wrong. We don't know what's wrong with it. We are an outdoor sport and we would like to think that we could go every week and all the surfaces be perfect. But, you know what, look what happened to MCG over the boxing day test. I mean, we don't always get it right, but that track on Saturday and it just wasn't good at all. It really, really wasn't. Gideon up had our top four multi. We do this every week for the weekend preview and we're going to the last race. We'll three from three. We got terrific odds. It was about $5.365, it was half that without competitors. Anyway, we're going to the last. We need flying for fun. All she has to do is finish top four and she's four while without cover, heartbreaking. The other, oh no, I'd love to get your thoughts on this. One of the way, I went the WAOX way and then pulled up lame with some foot issues and then it performs not how to best there on Saturday and the WAO derby. So she's my owner. Well, I've dare Morton on who had it up and down week. Anyone that her Wednesdays there was super speaking and then obviously wonderfully made, didn't show show up there on that Saturday. So there are rules. That's whatever. Yeah. Did a brutal one, the brutal one, the derby. See, I wouldn't have expected that. I wouldn't have expected Donkast to winning horse to have a derby winner. No, yes, yes, yeses. Yes, yes, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses, yeses. I'll fly, Manny Smith. Love that story. One under Chris Lee's. So he had a big day in Sydney. - Super day. - Changing of the guard especially to win that, that group one Sydney Cup. And Benny Thompson making the trip to Sydney, winning of course on that horse, Cherry bombshell on the Percy Sikes. I live another day, Tommy Davin, he's got a good one there, looking forward to seeing what he can do in Adelaide after. I think dominating there on Saturday. And Danny had Brian's team, he just keeps on training, wins so well under Danny. - We've had a great autumn. It's not quite over yet, but we're getting towards the back end of it obviously with the Sydney Carnival now winding up and now Roads lead to Adelaide and Queensland. But you know what, overall we've been very, very lucky and we've had some great horses, win some great races and racings in fine form at the moment, it really, really is. It could always be improving, there's always things that aren't quite right, but just with the, I just love these new young horses coming through and the tent is coming back and stamping themselves because we don't have enough at the top in the harder place via sustainer, but you know what, we haven't missed it. And so that's pretty rare in a say. The best horse in the country is gone now, with normally that leaves a big void, but I don't reckon we missed it at all. And that's no disrespect to him. - I've got to take your break. Your questions next, plus I got a statement from RV regarding Sir Dillius. - Welcome back to Gideon Up Garathor Wayne Hawks. Well thanks to High Gain, High Gain Fules champions. View their complete range of advanced feed and supplements at highgain.com.au. So basically, Race of Victoria's got back regarding Sir Dillius. Obviously it's, I guess in the Waterhouse and Bot Camps caught at the moment. So they need to tell Race of Victoria when he races next, they plan to race in Victoria. What they have done with him since that break from last spring to now, they might have to show. - One argument with the biggest race in Sydney of the audience. - Yeah, but they might have to show them scans, give them vet reports on. - Is he barred currently? - They didn't give me. - A definitive. - Yes. - I guess he is. - Maybe they could just send them the replay of last set, they's racing. - I guess he is barred in a way that they would need to see proof that they are satisfied that he's over the problems that Sorry missed the spring. - And what if he's not? - Well, so he's not. - They have to talk to the Waterhouse and Bot Fats. - It's a PR disaster. - Yeah. - And in theory, it's not really their fault. - No. - No. - But it's just the way that the way the cookie has crumbled. - Yeah, let's get through some text messages. You just don't ever look Sam and Anthony Friedman's three winners in three states. That's from Dave from Evoka. - It's hard to do. - Now that a big weekend. Get a Gareth. Weimez will have a crack at being an administrator. We all know he's credentials is a great trainer and a parents-hop authority on all matters regarding all the vet and area we're going on. So he can sort out everything that's from Mark. The only problem we call for your track is it's overuse. They need to utilize the big country tracks. Well, Mooney Valley is being done that's from Laurie. Wayne is the gift that keeps on giving. There you go. G. Gareth loves giving it to you. Wayne about Jay Mac, but he wasn't saying anything to Tony when he was talking about not getting a fair raise for Jenny. Oh, please, give me a spell. I, Gary, can you please help me with the substitute on the tab on Saturday. Bugsy was the sub yet. Gin twist started. Fave. I'm confused. Worry whoever's favorite on the tote. That's the substitute. That's my understanding. Gareth regarding gather around in Morpherville needs to be shuttle buses from end of the first game. It'll allow it over to Morpherville and back to out of the level for a Saturday night game. Put the better races around races 67 and 8. It's amazing how good things work when there is free transport. That's from Peth. Adam Blanco says, "Halley R6 Press is rating the same as our top sprinters and is being beaten by panels." So, yes, he has panels on ours. Something for the battle is Wayne. You've been in fine form. Yeah, my brother was on last Monday. He was in the game. He was the example that day he gave you the 40 to one chance that Ren, that Ren third. He's got a horse running in the Maracold solid in Sydney. Yes. That he likes a lot. Solid. It's about race four at Hawke'sbury. There you go. Cavarrie was impressive at Newcastle. A few text messages coming through. Yeah, well, he was the unfortunate one. I'm packing him. I got beaten in a dollar 20 and went there and one he's made in two weeks ago and then ran there again and fear bolted in. So he's pretty impressive horse going somewhere. Cavarrie. This is a good question. The two kilo allowance for the mayor's and fill his it's probably still after what's so dearly asted way. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because if you ran here in the mile, if you ran here at a mile against so dearly, she'd be beating him. I still don't agree that when you're the best horse in the country, you've got, you get a concession against the males. We're not sexist in the racing industry at all. How does a Jamie Cahd doesn't get a better barrier because she's female? Racing is a non-sexist organization. If that's the right choice of words. I know what you're trying to say. I still agree with what I think that they get two kilo concession is not right. Thank you. If they're beating the boys. Thank you, Wayne. I'll catch you again next week. Thank you, Garret. Have a great day. I will. All right, then. Briassa, get on $12 bet $365. You heard it first on the lead test. My brother said the tip-your-own horse is dutted up to that. Yes, yes. I'm sorry, Michael. Was that a secret? Yes, solid. Thank you, Wayne. That is it for the Monday means tests. We'll come back with plenty more straight after this.