Mom's Car: Dakota Fanning & Jake Johnson

Hello, I'm Dax. This is Aaron. Welcome to Mom's Cart. Today we have Dakota Fanning and Jake Johnson. Friend of the pod, Jake Johnson. First time for Dakota Fanning. Of course, Dakota is an award-winning actor. I am Sam Ripley, War of the Worlds. My very favorite, what's the. Man on Fire. Man on Fire, she's so good. Jake Johnson's a prick, what can I say? He's also an actor. We're here to help podcast, so funny. I've been on it, New Girl, The Dink, Safety Not Guaranteed. And the movie that we swear to God is so good, The Sun Never Sets. So good. You'll hear how much we loved it. Please enjoy Dakota Fanning and Jake Johnson. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the dress code at the new restaurant, showing up in sandals and getting turned away at the door, no fun at all. Yeah, checking first is always a good move. So check Allstate. First, for an auto quote, it could save you hundreds. 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Okay, normally I would save this to the end, but I'm going to get right into our review of the film. Oh, okay. The movie being The Sun Never Sets with YouTube. We sit down last night to watch it after a very romantic dinner at all times. Just you two. Yeah, we got that crazy steak thing. Yeah. What a nice night for you guys. Oh, it was incredible. It was incredible. It was incredible. It was candlelit. We sit on the sidewalk, and then we come back, we turn it on, and the first act, I'm a little bit like, is this going to be sad? Right. Where are we at? Of course, to set it up, which is, you set it up. My character plays a guy who moved to Anchorage based off Joe Swanberg's real life, but not the Anchorage part, but the married with two kids and goes through a divorce. I move up there. I hate it there, but it was one of those pandemic moves where I had to be there for the kids. Yeah. I studied. dating a younger, cooler woman played by Dakota with the rules of we're never going to get married, we're never going to have kids. Your rules. Yes, but set between them. We talked about that from the beginning of this is just what it is, but we do love each other. She's essentially like a stepmom and they have this whole. Your kids love her. Love me. Life is working. Life is working for both of us. Except your parameters sort of become. You have a girlfriend who gets pregnant. I have a girlfriend played by Debbie Ryan who gets pregnant. She's sort of putting the pressure on me of, don't you like, this is kind of what you wanted. Are you sure that you don't want this still? I claim that I don't. She's right at that point of life and this was something Joe in real life, you know, goes through because he does feel if somebody has that moment taken from them, they have resentment forever. Yes, of course. So you go like, well, I was with you during those years, but now I've realized I've missed something that you have and now I hate you for it. And let's be real about this. When I consider Kristen leaving me, which could happen for numerous reasons, and I think about having to date someone again, one of the many reasons I wouldn't want to have kids with someone ever again is like the enthusiasm and excitement that you have for child number one is so special. And you don't even have it for child number two for your own kid. Meet at curbside 4425. Look inside my kid. Where is 4425? This is half of the show is us trying to figure out what address we're at. This is great though. Meet on the curb is fun because I thought you see the person. Yes. And I thought we would do the show and some people would be excited to meet me and everyone's leave at the door. So I've not gotten to meet virtually anyone. So the whole premise of the show unraveled in the first episode. You should just say all these things that you're saying. Yeah, I already know them all. All these stories. I know them. It might be a fun game for you Jake to ask me a question and let Dakota answer it. When did Dax lose his virginity? 12. Yes. What was Dax's first car that he fell in love with? Oh, I don't know that. I don't know that. It's a little specific. I probably said it, but I didn't absorb that one. Okay, so back to you. So if Kristen, you know, my issue would be like, I would feel very bad for a new partner that I wouldn't be able to give them the enthusiasm they would deserve because I just don't think you can replicate it. Yeah, I agree. Suffice to say, what's your genius plan then, your character's genius plan, Jake, to deal with this sit? Jack's plan in this situation is for Wendy to go out and spend the summer and date other people who see what's out there in Anchorage so that she can have kind of a rough summer with kind of goofy guys. And the character of that guy, Brad, is the perfect example. And so Jack's thought is he's going to have Wendy date other people and then basically come home and say, I won't have resentment for you later. I saw it's not you holding me back. This is what I want. Yeah, you're very confident. By the way, I'm identifying with you. I'm like, this is a kind of stupid plan I might have. That's what I loved about the idea. Yeah, you seem like you're really generous. He gets to win. Yes, in all ways. He gets what he wants. He's going to get her back, and he's so generous and confident and cool. So Joe, Joe Swanberg in real life did this. Oh, he did this. I was going to say, it felt so like it had to have happened to somebody involved in creating it. And then your character, additionally, not only the kids and the marriage, but also you are whimsical and you still want to be on adventures and you want to buy this boat and maybe explore. I do. And also, you know, I mean, it's set in Alaska. It's set in Anchorage. Everyone there is outdoorsy, hiking all the time, taking little planes, getting on a boat, driving here, camping there. I mean, that's part of. Or in blackout. So is it the two options? Yeah. Super outdoorsy or stage nine alcoholics. And fist fighting in bars at 6 p.m. Yeah, yeah. Never gotten almost more fights than Anchorage. A hundred. So she's definitely still wanting to do all of that and wanting a partner who will do that with her. That's not who Jake's character is at all. He's super open about it. She accepts it. So basically on her adventure to go out and see what's out there, she runs into her ex-boyfriend Chuck, who's played by Corey Michael Smith. Great turn. You're like, yeah, who's she going to meet that she's going to have this connection with? And then, of course, anyone who you have unsettled business with is going to have some crazy power over you for the rest of your life. Very plausible. Yes. So from Erin and I's point of view, what we're going through is like, okay, it's a relationship. She wants a child, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the plan. We're both still just kind of like, okay, okay, okay. When you meet the ex-boyfriend and now that thing is happening, the conversation on the couch between you two, when Austin, we were screaming, laughing, watching a man get hoisted by his own baton. Oh, this genius. And you're fucking 180 in four sentences. The fact that you're screaming, I want to have a baby with you more than anything. And Dakota on that couch, the way Wendy is, she's so, the status has changed. Yes. And she's now, they're not like, even when I offer her the wine, and she's like, I don't want any. It's like, I come in on my stupid little slacks where I'm like, you can't keep coming here. Have some wine, we're about to have sex. It's going to be great. He's like, I actually know I'm about to leave. And then he's like, wait, no, you're supposed to drink wine when you're charmed. I knew how this night was going. What a great story, though. Oh, my God. It's a load of. Yeah, so what else did you think? Neither of us had slept in 24 hours, and we're, and we got to it really late. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Dex is like, you better stay awake at least for some of it, because I'm probably going to sleep anyway, even if I'm rested. You get drowsy. And, man. We loved it. Oh, my God. We were screaming and laughing. Be right there. Okay. Have you ever eaten here? No. Nor I. I don't like fish, but you already know that. I do. We would have the weirdest first date. I would literally be like thinking, what do I have on instead in eight years, twelve hundred episodes? What could possibly be? You don't have to laugh about me. You know it all. Look how handsome weekly he is. Oh, he's so sweet. Isn't he? Yes. Isn't he the greatest person on planet Earth? Yes. I'm so in love with him. And going so long, you know? Yeah. We're on 40 years of being in love. So nice. And how about you, Dakota? I do. So I was homeschooled until I was in ninth grade, and then I started going to. Campbell Hall. Oh, it's Campbell Hall, yes. And so my friends are all from that time, and we're all still friends, so. Except for the Burkholders. Those are older friends than Campbell Hall, because Max and Elle did a movie together when they were four. I'm sorry, I missed the part. Where's your best friend from? Well, I'm born in Georgia originally, moved to L.A. when I was six and started acting. And then I was homeschooled until ninth grade. And then I went to school here at regular school. Do you think you're missing anything sociologically that you would have learned in that period of interacting with other little kids? I think I missed the part where kids are the meanest to each other. You did. Like the stories of seventh and eighth grade that my friends have. I'm like, I'm really glad I passed that. Yeah, yeah. It was fun for us and it seems that no one else enjoys it. Yeah, you love seventh grade. Oh, it's the best year of my whole life. And I've had a great life and I'd still live that one on repeat if I could. But that's how I feel about high school. I loved every single second of it. I loved it. Going to Camel Hall in L.A., there was no weirdness that I was an actor. Everybody's parent was, you know, there was a parent who was somebody or somebody knew somebody. You weren't a freak. No, there wasn't any of that. And it's all my best. Friends to this day. How were you dealing with? I even found as an adult, like I did without a paddle, right? And that was my first movie. And I had the most amazing connective experience of my life with two dudes I had never met. Yeah. And at the end of it, Lillard had already done 30 movies. He goes, I just want you to know, we're never going to see each other again. What are you saying? We're brothers. I would say, I think because I was so young and like doing these movies, like a lot of the people really did. Stay a part of my life in various ways. But I did a movie with Kurt Russell, who I know you also know. And we became really close and we still are to this day. But I could go five years and not see him and then see him. And then we're in a corner talking for the whole night and like, you know, whatever. Yeah. But he told me when we did the movie together, because we had just developed this really special bond. I'm like, he's just the greatest. Yeah. But. He taught me that. He was like, I want you to understand, it's not going to be this way ever again. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like, we might go years where we don't see each other. Yeah. But I want you to always know that I love you. It's real. I love you. And I'm always here for you. What a cool thing to say. And it's so real. Yeah. Oh, I love him. And just because we don't keep in touch like all the time, all the time, all the time. Yeah. Does not take away how special our relationship is. Yes, yeah. You know, looking back, I always remembered that. You know. Because I just imagine it'd be a little hard for me to compute when I was in elementary school. Yeah. If I was best friends with someone and then they were gone. I don't know. But maybe it wouldn't be. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it was fine. Can we talk about. It's fine. It's good. I enjoyed it. I don't know. Preferred. It was fine. It was preferred. Now, the weird thing about Kurt, I didn't know you guys were bros like that. But I got to say, numerous times when we were watching the movie last night, I was like, she looks a lot like Kate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought the same thing. Did you get that a lot? Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah. And I know Kate pretty well, too. Yeah, you were in her shorts she made when I was dating her. I remember being in the editing room after that whole thing. Yeah, I've always been told. I've always been told that. Yeah, so for him, even easier probably to fall in love with you. He saw me as like a little mini Kate. Yeah. You know, he got to kind of like, you know, have that little special thing with another little girl who looked just like her. And I mean, there's just the Goldie's unbelievable, Kate's unbelievable. Like, it's just such a great. Yeah. Okay, since we're talking about your early work, there's really just because I've promised you I wasn't going to dig. It's okay. The movie that I can't believe your performance in, I couldn't then and I still can't wrap my head around it, is Man on Fire. Yeah. Oh, the best. Fuck. Fuck. I'm crazy, babe. Oh, my God. Your little face in the swimming pool. I know. And you shoot the thing and you know to go and you're a good little trooper. I know. Oh. I know. I want to know. Like, Jake, you obviously see Man on Fire, right? How old were you? Nine. Nine. Yeah. I'm going to watch it. I was nine. It's among the best acting I've ever seen in my whole life. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to know, is it easier to be that good when you're younger and harder when you're older? Like, I'm always curious about that. I don't approach it any differently than I did when I was that age. I've tried to keep the, at the end of the day, it's just using your imagination. Do you not get more self-conscious as an adult, though? You do, but I really try to stay away from, I really try to stay away from that. That was another thing I have really observed. Is your lack of vanity in this movie. Yeah, yeah. Not that you didn't look fantastic, but you're not in hair and makeup. No, not really, no. And so I do try to keep a perspective of, like, you know, the way that you observe yourself is not the way that other people observe you, you know? Like, when I laugh really loud, my, like, nose crinkles up and, like, you know, I get, like, a little double chin sometimes. Like, and I see a picture, I'll be like, oh, oh, my God. And then I've had other people, I've had other people be like, oh, my God, when you laugh, so loud, like, when you really laugh and your nose crinkles up, like, oh, I love when you do that. And I'm like, okay, there we go. I mean, you know what I mean? So you just can't hold on too tightly to those things because you're not, you're not able to see yourself. What about teenagers? Still fine. You never not, you never didn't do it in some sense. I never didn't do it. Yeah. And I think because I was homeschooled until ninth grade, like, I showed up to the first day of ninth grade in, like, a plaid, the uniform. Like, no one would really wear the plaid skirt that much. I showed up in, like, the plaid skirt and I had a rolling backpack. Oh, no. A rolling backpack. Nerd. Like, I had a rolling backpack. Yeah, plaid skirt's fine with me. The rolling backpack is a big miss. I had a rolling backpack. Little 50-year-old woman at the airport. And, but, but, by the way, like, I did not give a fuck. Oh, wow. That, like, people might have thought that was embarrassing. I was like, this is what I want. It had my name on it. You were excited. Like, I really didn't care at all. Again, I didn't. I didn't have those traumatizing years of being, like, oh, thinking about every move you make and being, make fun of for it or whatever. Like, I went, I was homeschooled by the same teacher from second grade to when I went to school. And so, I think it gave me a unique bit of, like, confidence and esteem. Lack of self-consciousness. And lack of self-consciousness. And I kept that rolling backpack the whole first year and then we switched it out the next year. You formed some friends and they're like, please, Dakota. Please. It's for our group. We like it. We can't have that shit in the group. Hey, take that on vacation this summer and then leave it wherever you go on vacation. I wore it to my last day of senior year. Oh, I like that. Still to this day, when I do something, I hear the voices of the kids in my school going, you fucking pussy. You know, like, if I'm, like, sharing about something emotional, it's like, I hear them going, like, oh, you need so much fucking attention, don't you? Like, those are the voices. The chorus, my shadow is really these guys we grew up with, but you just could not be masculine enough. It was impossible. Do you have that, Jake? Yeah, I have. Those voices are more a couple of my uncles. Okay. That were, it wasn't ever meant to be mean. That's what uncles do. Yes, but it was more like one Uncle Paul, who I adore, saw a live show, a two-person show I'd written that I was traveling the country with. Uh-huh. And he had just finished a big shift as a fireman where he was on for, you know, whatever it is, the 30 hours. Yeah. Yeah. And he watched. And it's a two-person show. There was, like, an improvised dance we do that was supposed to be comedic. That's going to be rough for him. There was, like, an old-timey bit that we didn't fully have figured out, but it was, like, me with, like, a little umbrella. It was just, you know, there were some hits and misses. Sure, sure, sure. And at the end, he walked over and he said, don't do anything I wouldn't do, but it's too late for that. And I went, like, again, thank you so much for coming. I was, like, my buddy Billy was, like, what'd he say? I was, like, it wasn't warm. It must be right here. Okay. All right. See you in a sec. Yeah, bye. Also, part of Uber Eats is just picking up. You pick up, like, four or five. Yeah, you don't ever drop it off. Yeah, that's right. It's just people want to get rid of their food. Also, it was kind of crazy, out of curiosity, we didn't look at what the first woman's having delivered. I know. I feel like that's, you're not supposed to. She told me what it was. Oh, she did. Oh, what is it? So, she owns a business and she made a jacket herself. Oh, cool. And then somehow this jacket's going somewhere that will be shipped. I'm not sure. Oh, I got you. Why there's an intermediary, but yeah. She's a jacket maker. What's in there? Your wallet? No, drinks. Oh, it's perfect. Yeah. Okay, another moment you guys have to know about. This has happened to me twice this year. So, did you guys happen to see The Invite? Yes. No, I haven't yet. I have, yes. Okay. And you already know this, unfortunately. That's okay. But there's a moment where Penelope Cruz, who is just, she's so powerful as a siren, you know? And she looks at Seth Rogen and she's like, I want you to take me into that room. And the way she said it. I literally, in an embarrassed moment, we were in a screening with journalists. And I go, oh, yeah. I like, I clung it. I was like, yes, I'll go with you. I don't care about my family or my parents. Right now, Cher is going like this. This is what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got him. I got him. Got him. Here's the clip. Okay, so, yeah, you guys have this fight. It's going sideways. And then it fucking heats up in this way. That's so real. And when you guys started fucking kissing, we were like, yes, fucking good. Cool. What was it like being in Alaska? How long were you guys in Alaska? We were there for like a month, I think. Okay. During what month? May, June. Oh, perfect. It was a perfect time to be there. It was a perfect time. Really, the sun never set. Yes. I just started feeling weird. Oh, you did? Yeah. From the smells in the car? In Alaska. No, no, no, in Alaska. That was so sweet. That was so dad, Dax. I got really worried about that. You don't are dynamic when you see me as a nine-year-old boy. Out of nowhere or anything, I go, I feel weird. Yeah, I was, oh, no. What can we do? Let's get him out of the car. Give him some water. Eat some food. Eat some food. I wish I was that open with my feelings. Oh, my gosh. That's so funny. 9.70? 9.70. Fedora. Leave at 4.06. Beautiful. That's the one. And this is this. Okay, I love you guys. Love you. Did you leave it at door? I did. Oh, man. So, Jake, you've had kind of a monster year. I keep noticing that The Dink is, like, number one movie. I'm so happy for you. Yeah, it's been a nice run. It's a really fun movie, and it's really light. And I honestly, and even though it's tonally so different, it's what I like about The Sun Never Sets, too. For me, too, it's like I am somebody who is single and dating, and you can get really, like, cynical and depressed by, like, the state of how that goes sometimes. Do you use apps? I had one stint on an app, and then I talked shit about it on a talk show, and I felt like I had to delete it after that because I would have been in the car. Oh, I don't know. You can be a hypocrite in love. I was. It was, like, disaster. It was, like, a disaster. A disaster. It was a disaster. Did you get at all addicted? Like, I just imagine me being. Oh, I got totally addicted to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. It was, like. And then they're, like, you can unlock more, like, but I wouldn't unlock more. I would wait. They have to wait for it to fill back up again. It was, like, crazy. The addiction ends. So, the addiction of it is just you see all the options. All the options that are on this app, I suppose. But you can either just, the addiction part of it goes. Right. You can go, like, sure, I would. I would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. And then if the I would's right back, it's that rushed. I guess. Okay. Yeah. The, like, matching. That becomes the fun, like, casino slot machine. And then I just, like, wouldn't text back. Like, then they would send me a message and I wouldn't message back. And then I was, like, why am I doing this? Like, I don't want to do this. Again, sadly, we're kind of hardwired to attempt to get the best we can. Yeah. Right? You want the best option that's available to you in anything, whatever that is. Yeah, I would imagine I'd be, like, oh, yeah, she's so cute. And look, she went to this school. That's cool. I wonder, is there someone better than that? I mean, just take a peek. I mean, it's just, it's like, I don't, I ultimately just kind of, it didn't feel like it was, for me, it felt like a game, too much of a game. Yeah. But point being, it's very easy to get, like, down about that. And I do think with this movie, what I liked about it is that, at least when I watch it, it doesn't feel like a cynical take on relationships and dating. It's not cynical at all. But I will say. I will say, Aaron and I, at the end of it, we both collectively, just like this, and we're like, yeah, we're the worst, man. It's all like, dude, we're terrible. Like, the whole, it's not my thing. Every guy, we're like, we don't want to do one thing that's not our thing. We're guilty of it. That's so exactly right. 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Is there a Brewster's where you are in Tennessee? What's Brewster's? Let's go. Brewster's is an ice cream place that I grew up with in Georgia. And they're on the East Coast. And there's one in La Cunada. Oh, okay. And it has my favorite flavor of ice cream ever, which is cotton candy. Oh, you like cotton candy. I don't like it from everywhere. Okay. I only like it from Brewster's. It's a very child order. Yes. Cotton candy. Blue moon. It is my favorite. And I have gotten it delivered from the Brewster's in La Cunada. But my favorite thing is Dairy Queen. So when you do talk about Dairy Queen, that's like soft serve is my favorite. Like Dairy Queen is my absolute favorite. What's your order at Dairy Queen? I mean, sometimes I'll just get like just a cup of vanilla, like really plain. Like I love the soft serve, like a really big one. Or hot fudge. And I make them put it on the bottom too. Uh-huh. Okay, great. Never a blizzard. I don't get the blizzards. Mine is a hot fudge sundae with extra hot fudge. Small. And then the banana split blizzard. And then this year, which was so exciting, is now they're adding Fruity Pebbles to blizzards. Oh, interesting. So fucking banana split plus Fruity Pebbles and Heath Bar. Oh, my God. I don't eat fruit, so I don't do banana split. You don't eat fruit at all? No. Because you have an allergy? No. No. You just don't like the taste of it. I don't like the texture of fruit. You're so weird. I like it. That was the fun of Alaska. Jake was just asking me, like, what about this? And I'd be like, I don't like it. I just want you guys to clock that this guy is opening and closing his door a ton. Oh, what's he doing? And it's exciting. And who knows what's next? He might barrel roll out the side at some point. But you'll see. He's going to have his door open here pretty shortly. You won't have to wait long. I promise. The door's coming. Oh, I bet I know what's going on. It wasn't locking? It's fucking hot as hell in there. He doesn't have AC on. And he's getting more air. Yeah. As soon as he slows down, he pops the door open. This is. This is great. I one time had a cab ride. My favorite cab ride of my life. I don't think the brakes were not working. But his chosen method to slow down is as he was approaching the stoplight, he'd be using some brake, but then he'd put it in neutral. And then as he got really close, he'd pop it in reverse and give it a little gas in the back. You know what? Fucking jerk. And I'm like, this guy's using reverse as a brake. Because why not? It's not his car. It's the fucking cab. Yeah. And I could have driven cross country with this guy. I want to see if he slows down on the highway. By sliding it in reverse. Oh, he's doing. Yeah. He's got it. Okay, great. Oh, I bet the window doesn't open. But maybe the windows don't go down either. Maybe the window doesn't go down. And he's got his girl with him. And he's texting. On his phone, he's texting. And he's shooting dope. He's doing everything but driving. I've said that to people. You seem to be doing everything but driving. Yes, that's true. But, Dakota, you're truly outrageously good in this. I mean, the entire movie really is on your shoulders in that. do we believe this emotional ride or not? And you're so phenomenal. And Jake said, when I invited him on a couple of days ago, he said, you'll have to watch the movie because it's very important to me that you see how good Dakota is. And he was dead on. I think it's a really special performance. Thank you. It was so good that like, I bailed on Jake when you were shooting pool. I was like, let's go. I came back. Yeah. Well, by the way, that would happen while we were filming. That's what happened while we were filming. And that's also the magic of Joe's process is that things are, nothing's set in stone. You can go anywhere. This movie could have gone in any direction. That's right. It's a movie that is meant to remind you of the stomach aches of those situations because I did feel that stomach ache tension at times that I haven't felt in life in a while. Well, you're like, oh, that thing that I thought was, for lack of a better word, mine is not. And you just go like, oh, it's so like, it's what makes love so brutal. And even if you're in a long-term relationship, you think it's forever. And then all of a sudden you realize like, oh, everything could change. And you just go like, oh. Well, and social scientists have known in behavioral economics know that we have a loss bias, right? So if you watch people bad and you phrase, something in a way that they're gonna lose, they will do illogical betting, right? They'll do illogical trading. Well, explain what that means. I don't get it. So like if you position, like you have a 50% chance of winning this, and then you do the experiment versus you go, you have a 50% chance of losing that. Just them hearing the word losing versus, no, it's all the same, right? It's 50/50. But people will overwhelmingly not participate in something that they have 50% chance of losing. Interesting. But they will, They will participate overwhelmingly if they have a 50% chance of winning. And then they get way more confidence. complex than that, but you can see people's behavior become quite illogical based on this loss bias. So it's like, that's what's happening. You have this person, how many times have you broken up with somebody and you were so certain and then you're driving home from their apartment and you're like, oh my God, I think that might be the love of my life. It's just like I've lost it and now all of a sudden I have no sense of how I feel about the person. So I want to air this experience you and I had, Jake, and I'm mostly curious if you've repeated it as many times as I have. So the last time we did one of our hikes and for people don't know, um, our friendship is hikes. We, we always do hikes together. And then last year we decided like, let's fucking walk all the way over the mountain and then end it at Capitol grill and have like a King's fucking lunch. I can't wait for our next one. Oh, me too. It was like a three and a half hour hike. So fun. We start the hike. This is the part I tell to everyone. Um, we start the hike and within 12 minutes of walking, we have 60 different. Conversations going. And I go, I go, hold on, hold on. We're like, we are fucking all over the map. And then you said, you just looked at me and you go, dude, let's fucking ADHD out. Let's not police ourselves at all. And it was like this weird, like, should we like, it was a commitment and I go, yeah, let's let it rip. And we were like, well, space relationships, taxes, fucking gay rights. Anything, anything in the universe was on the table all at once. That's a dark way. Thoughts on it. We never stopped talking for three and a half hours. It was so chaotic and it was euphoric. And I've never had that explicit conversation with somebody where we go, let's put the pedal to the metal on this ADHD thing. Have you repeated that? Was that as, do you remember that? I do remember, but I didn't, I haven't repeated it because I felt like that's just part of our walks now. But like, it's funny doing this because I am constantly getting myself to just literally while you're talking mid sense at times, I'm like, I just want to scream interrupt you. We're allowed to act in such animal behavior that you'll be like, oh, you know, I was just thinking about something about Nashville and I want to literally go like, what kind of, or you see a red shirt on somebody and you go like, oh, really what I want to get into is those crop top shirts in this new era. Yeah. Without the stomachs for him. Yeah. It's like, what guy opened his door? Like forget what, I don't know. You're about to tell me about being molested. But you're allowed to go from that to cricket being the newest. Hey, like you just go like, but I've had many times in this conversation where I've been looking out the window and had to go, don't talk. That's why I love this. It's like, there's so much going on. We're delivering food. There's cameras to operate. I'm driving. I'm also trying to like, have some food. I'm like, do you have some arc to this? I have been leaning into the, letting the ADHD rip these days. So what's funny though is I'm always on the inside of the ADHD explosion, but my daughter is pretty ADHD and she has a best friend who's the most ADHD. And I watched them out the window hanging out in the backyard and I'm like, how are they hearing each other? They're both talking as fast and as loud as they can at the same time. But they are getting it. Yeah. It's mania. It's just, it looks crazy. It's crazy if you're not on the inside of it. Dakota, do you have any, have you self-diagnosed any conditions based on your Instagram algorithm? Listen, I see all of them. They're all there for the taking. I think that, I actually don't think that I have any of them. I think that I, but I've observed that now I'm like watching TV and doing something on my phone at the same time. And I'm like, okay, that is a little something that is one of the, you know. It was an accidental blessing watching the movie last night, which is I couldn't get, of course, all these screen links. They're impossible to get to working on. I know, I know. So it wouldn't work on my app. And so ultimately I got to put it on my phone and then I got to throw it. I think I just passed her a thing. I got to throw it to the TV. And then you can't, you have to do airplay. You can't be on your phone. It was now this big on my huge theater screen. We were laughing so hard. But what that did is like normally I would have my notes open to write down shit I want to remember to say about the movie when I talk to you. But I couldn't have that open because it was screen mirroring. But one thing I like about you, Dakota, going to the other thing. Is I don't think Dakota's buying into this era as much as I would expect a woman in her early 30s to be buying into stuff. Such as like the million diagnosis. And Dakota's got some old school to her. Yeah. We're like. Well, her best friend's Kurt Russell. She's going to have some libertarian views. It's a really refreshing hang, especially as like a 48-year-old dude where I'd go like, you know, I'm not an AA or anything like that. But I'd go like, I'm not drinking at night. And she'd be like, oh, why? And I'd be like, I'm not drinking at night. And she'd be like, I'm not drinking at night. And she's like, are you in recovery? I'd go, no. And then she'd go, then why not? And she's like, what is with all these men going, I'm not having a drink tonight. She's like, we're in a ball. Well, that's something that I was going on dates and it became like a joke that every time I would go on a date with a guy and they would go like, oh, I quit drinking. I was like, oh, okay. Like, are you, you know. Problematic. I do think about these diagnoses, though, in terms of the ADHD and all this madness. Yeah. That if I did all the tests as a kid, I think I would have been diagnosed with everything. They might have put me in a cage. If I got tested the way kids are being tested right now. Well, you'd be heavily medicated, probably. For sure. They would hear that. I think the hesitation to like, A, yes, people are diagnosing themselves with shit they don't have. They've not been diagnosed by a doctor. Great. True. And I think the main concern is like, everyone's just going to be using all this as a huge excuse all the time. That's exactly right. That's the fear. And I get it. That's Monica's fear. Like, we argue about this all the time. Yeah. And I'm like, it's not about an excuse. It's about like, oh, I have this thing. So what things are, am I going to be more prone to experience like the rejection sensitivity? Okay. So if I'm feeling that rejection, I go, well, that's that fucking stupid thing. That's just a part of it. She's like, it just helps you right size these moments. And then also you go, oh, it turns out people, they do better if they use this thing. Or if you have the time thing, like there's ways, there's tools out there. It's like, I don't want to know about it. So I can tell people like, sorry, I'm three hours late. So you didn't get your fucking, your, your hamburgers or your fish. I just want to know for me, like, are there hacks? And then as someone who has a kid that seems to trend that way, is there any hacks that I can help her with? But here's the other side that I'm sure Monica, you guys have fought about a bunch and argued about, and Dakota knows both opinions on it. I was doing my podcast and we had a caller call in who was chronically late and Gareth and I, you know, just decided to run. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. Yeah. And I'm going to do this. That's what these people are about. Right? Yes. And this guy was a producer. I'm like, you're dealing with people that you should definitely recognize, right? And he's like, I got to do, like, I can do hair. Like, I can kind of memorize hair. He finds things, yeah. But there was a 60 Minutes on face blindness that I happened to watch. And I will say, they did this cool thing, which is they put 10 faces on the screen, and they were upside down. They were pointing out how actually, how tenuous our grasp on facial recognition is. Right. And when they put them upside down, I could get, like, three of the ten. Crazy. And, guys, it was Oprah, Tom Cruise. It was, like, the ten most famous people in the world. And then I a little bit went, like, oh, it's not as, you think of it as so easy. But, yeah, if you flip them upside down, you can't get it. I have pretty bad eyesight. Like, I have a pretty strong prescription. But I didn't wear contacts for a long time. And I would just kind of take my glasses on and off. So I think for many years, I would go around, like, kind of not really being able to see. Like Monica. Like Monica does. Yes, right. Yes, yes. She misses everything. Yeah. And so I would question, like, is that that person? Like, you know, it was sort of because I couldn't totally see. And then I think I've even carried it with me a bit as I now wear contacts and can see normally. Were you not wearing glasses because you didn't like how you looked in them? Or you didn't want to deal with losing them or carrying them? No, I didn't mind how I looked or anything like that. But I got used to everything being a little bit blurred. That when I would put them on outside, like, on a day like today, I was like. This is too much. Okay, right. Like, this is way too much. I was like, it's way too bright. It's too clear. I was like, oh, my God. So that took some. Right. That took some getting used to. A real turning point for me was I had met Shaquille O'Neal a few times. Uh-huh. It's a great start of a show. And I was at an event. And it was, like, not a huge room. And he wasn't that far from me. And I was with my agent, Hanley. And I said, I was like, Hanley, is that Shaq? And he was like, if you're asking, you're crazy. Yeah. He was like, yes, it is. And what's going on? And I was like, I can't tell. Like, that's how bad it had gotten. I could see the date. But I was, like, confirming that it was Shaq. You could only see the 7-3 of it all. Yes. I was just like, wait, that's Shaq, right? And he was like, are you okay? You need to get your eyes checked. And so I was like, it's time to be wearing some sort of glasses or contacts full time. I can safely say you're the only human being in the last 20 years who's confused about weather. I remember one time we were on the grid at the Austin Grand Prix, the Formula One race. And we are at one end. I mean, we are literally 1,300 feet away. And I can see everyone in the audience who's now staring at grid row because you've got the drivers there. You've got celebrities down there. And then everyone's attention is just way down there. And then I look 1,300 feet away and I say to Kristen, oh, yeah, Shaquille O'Neal's here. Shaquille O'Neal's here. And I'm like, this motherfucker can't hide from a quarter mile away in a sea of people. I knew it was him. I was just making sure. But that's got to be the hardest part about being a big NBA player. Yeah. Like, there's no escape ever. No. No hiding. Vince Vaughn, too. No hiding. He'll never have a perfect baseball hat on. And how tall. We were together recently. In Miami with Vince Vaughn, to be clear. With Vince Vaughn. And he. He is, what, 6'5"? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so distinct. Yeah. Totally. But it's as if he's 7'2". Yeah. Right. Yeah. We're walking. Because Dax is like 6'3". Right. I'm, I don't know. 6'4". Yeah. I say I'm 6'4", but I'm like 5'10". Yeah. Vince is, his head was a head above everyone's. Everyone sees him. Totally. Well, we went out to dinner with him because the guy was shooting Bad Monkey. And we were there first at the restaurant. And then when we were leaving, he's like, oh, are you guys going to walk? And we're like, yeah. We walked here and we're going to walk back. It was like a mile and a half walk or something. He goes, oh, I love, I love walking. Can I walk with you guys? And, and at the time that didn't make sense, that whole exchange. Like, I love walking. And then, yeah, we walked a mile and a half with him. And when I say 100% of people on, on Planet Earth know who Vince Vaughn is. 100% of people were walking by. And when he peeled off, I let out this gasp of air. And I said to Aaron, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky I never got that famous. I am the genius. Just the right amount of famous. Get a, get a restaurant. I got the table that you needed to get. And then only one in 20 people on the walk home knew who I was. And I was just like, dude, that's, um, I don't know what he goes through. That's so claustrophobic. And yeah, the man can't walk. If he was by himself, he'd just get murdered by all the attention. Had a lot of gratitude. He was on a run for a period when I was first coming up. Was he one of your guys or no? Oh, to such a degree. Yeah, same. Oh, in Chicago. Vince Vaughn, swingers. Then the way he was doing comedies, like old school, the way he was riffing, the tone he had where he was such a dick and so funny. And hot. That was a weird, like, we were in a paradigm where all comedians that were white in movies had to be schlubby and goofy and no one liked them. That was the gimmick. And you're like, oh, this dude fucks. And he's funny as hell and gorgeous. Like those guys always end up like. Chevy Chase then where they're like, you know, two and being good looking. But it's like, it's fine. But for me, it was like, it was never the speed that I also thought was really funny. Yeah. When Vince Vaughn got cooking, I'd be like, you know, a guy like Will Ferrell, who's obviously so funny. Yes. I'm like, man, you could throw Vince Vaughn in made and he's awesome. And swingers is awesome. Next to Will Ferrell where they're doing an ice skating movie and he's awesome. Yeah. It was like everything I liked. Like who are actors that you saw that you're like, that's. That's somebody who's doing it in a way I like. There was always like a reference point to Jodie Foster just because she also started so young. And definitely somebody that I look to of, you know, having a similar path as me. Who did you like? One of the be like, who did like? I wanted to be Cameron Diaz. Oh, great, great, great, great, great, great. Yeah. I love. Oh, my God. And by the way, same thing as Vince. She's like hysterical and fucking gorgeous. It's so pretty. So good. Like my best friend's wedding is still like one of my favorite movies in the whole world. And she'll look goofy. She does not mind looking goofy. Yeah. When I was, I wanted to, I wanted to be Cameron Diaz. I never would have guessed that. And you know, she bought weed off a Snoop Dogg in high school. Yeah. Oh, she went to high school together. Yeah. I remember the first time I met her. Where was it? It was at the SAG Awards. Where I was nominated for IMC. We were both nominated in the same category for IMC when I was like seven. That's cool. And I remember meeting her. It'd be so weird to be nominated against your hero. I know. I was like, oh, my God, I love you. I was working with Sean Penn. I mean, that was my first movie, you know, was. And a big part opposite a wild guy. Yes. He stayed in character a lot of the time and would not stick to the script and would really like improvise a lot and it was definitely my first lesson of like, oh, being an actor is not just learning your lines. You have to listen. Like it was like right away. I was like, oh, I have to be here to respond. What an amazing thing to learn as a kid, you're working against one of the better actors who's a little method and improvising, like one of the hard things I have about working with certain kids is I was like, I never want to do something that's a negative experience for them. Right. But I don't feel that way with adults. Right. Where if I'm doing a scene and I'm going to improvise and they get lost, I'm like, then you're in the wrong job, homeboy. But if it's like a 10 year old kid, my real thought is like, you're in the wrong job, homeboy. But like, to be at that age and be aware enough to go, that's what this game is and in order to play it, if he's asking me a question, I can't look off camera and go, what's this fucking guy talking about? Yeah, I know. There's things you don't think of when you're working with someone. Yeah. I was talking with kids like for Zathura, we did the table read and the little boy, Jonah Bobo, who's so fucking cute at the table read, he never looked at his script once, right? Yeah. And I remember saying to his mom, wow, he's already off book. And she goes, he can't read. This little guy had to memorize the entire book. I mean, but that's what we were talking about, like that's incredible. Yeah, it never crossed my mind, like he had to memorize the whole movie for the table read. I'm going to start looking around though. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to start reading the whole thing. I'm like, okay, I'm going to start reading the whole thing. I'm going to start reading the whole thing. I'm like, I'm going to start reading the whole thing. many memories and esteem and like so much there's obviously been you know difficult things of course but i wouldn't i wouldn't trade it um so i think i can definitely tell when it's for someone or not yeah totally by the way at any age yeah totally by the way at any age with an adult where you know like this used to be for you it's not for you anymore like it's like you don't love it anymore it's going to be something different than it is oh that's exactly and i don't think you actually like what it is because it's not all those things that you thought it was you love the fantasy of this yeah yeah you don't love the job yeah and so for me with like with younger actors that i'm working with if i can sense that somebody's like would rather be doing something else i'm like then you should you gotta go do something else you know like um and then yeah you then you work with kids so you're like oh you really you're good at this yeah totally and that's great i've probably already told you this story jake but um and he i he would not mind me saying this but um i was watching tom arnold in hit and run and like i'm listening to him on his mic between takes you know he's got like throw a ball through the back of a band window or whatever the thing's going on and we're so close i i walk up to him we're in between takes and i go how long have you hated action and he goes a long time buddy a long time so long hey you again this is not like some phony way of bringing it back to the movie but that's what this movie did do for me where it was like the bare bones experience of making a movie just with people who are there because they want to be there um last correct question for you dakota yeah because i doubt any of us in this car will have the experience um once upon a time is aaron and i aaron and i have watched once upon a time probably seven times together it's so fucking good oh my god she was at the rink squeaky yeah yes squeaky from oh yeah what's the tarantino experience oh my god i mean it was like a real dream for me to to work with him yeah um had to audition and i had written him a note and then he asked me to audition i mean i was more nervous than i had ever been doing anything like literally shaking like a leaf i mean i was so nervous but really prepared i mean like hardcore prepared more than i like ever have for anything for this and i walked into the audition and he reads the scene with you oh yeah yeah and that honestly actually put me so at ease because then it was like we were making the thing the thing it wasn't like i was being sass people were sitting and judging me whatever anyway so we had this like great experience in the audition and then i got the part and i think it was the happiest i'd ever been to get anything in my life that's lovely and um it was the greatest version of making a movie he is somebody that like loves making movies loves the tradition of it the celebration of it the camaraderie of it like he's just so he was like yeah i'd like to do another take because i just like making movies with you you know like little stuff like little things like that he's just like he just loves it and so getting to be a part of that was yeah really special yeah not only would i work for free obviously for him i would pay a very handsome fee i would pay yeah yeah i would pay a very handsome fee anything he does me too i would have done anything guys thank you we are supported by allstate checking allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance not checking that your phone was backed up before you upgraded the guy at the store said you're all set and well you believed them only to open your photos and they're gone yeah checking first is a good plan so check allstate first for an auto quote it could save you hundreds you're in good hands with allstate potential savings vary subject to terms conditions and availability allstate north american insurance company and affiliates northbrook illinois