Mom gossip, cottage cheese, other trends we're not falling for - with the Abbys

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So she published that article, and-- Like what was the tone of the article? There was more like trying to liberate women from being in bad front groups. Yeah. She wrote the article. It's called Breaking Up with My Toxic Friend Group. And she wrote that she found this friend group during the pandemic. She felt like she had found her people, like she was really, really happy with it. And then things kind of started to change. She started to notice there were side chats or side conversations. People were planning things without her getting invited to it. They were at a kid's birthday one time, and they were planning their next thing and not having Ashley in that conversation. And so they were making plans without her. And she ended up texting the mom group and being-- this is too high school for me. I'm done participating. So she was very upfront kind of breaking up with the group. Then she wrote this article, and she mentioned one of them was worse than the others. In this mom group, people are speculating that's Hillary Duff. But they didn't-- Like her. I know. But what she hear was her husband. Yes. She wrote this article, it came out in the cut. No one-- She didn't mention who they were or at all. People were speculating. Then Hillary Duff's husband went on to Instagram and made an Instagram story kind of mocking her post to explain, I'm just going to show, and we can show it on screen too. This is the picture that is in her article. He-- I don't think I have the picture of him actually. He just did the same pose on a couch. And he had lined it. And he had lined it. And the headline of it said, when you're one of the cell-- one of the most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth, other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers. Ooh. Isn't that crazy? I know. I literally like my stomach dropped. Then that-- So I even made it. And blew up. Then Ashley's husband got involved. Naturally. Naturally. His Instagram story. She should. If someone came at me like that, someone's husband, get in their hands up. I'd be like, you better get involved. Get in their way. Get in their way. So he just reposted a quote from someone else. It was a different post. And it said, underrated life skill, colon, pausing to decide if it's worth your energy. And so that is where everything's at now with-- So who's in this supposed friend group? The only ones I knew were the ones we mentioned, Hillary Duff, Megan Moore, or Lady Moore, Megan Trainor. And some other people who aren't interested-- They're influencers. They're like maybe in that world, but aren't necessarily like this type of celebrity. Oh, the chef. What's her name? You could look it up. She's a big-- Right. No, a big cook and craters. Well, that's interesting, because I feel like a lot of those people are like very respected women. Yes. That's disappointing. Is that her name? Yeah. Cooking with Gabby, I think, is your account? Oh. Yeah. So I feel like-- So I hope you've been writing articles, "Meet the moms of Ashley Tisdale's former mom room." And it's all speculation. And Ashley's never confirmed anything or any of that. I do think it poses an interesting conversation for us of like mom and friend group drama. Yes. And I don't know how you guys feel. I don't feel like I personally get offended when there are side chats or things I'm not invited to. That's something that I struggled with for a while, because my biggest fear is that people don't feel included. That's something that just like-- that bugs me so much. But that's just a fact of life. Like there's things where it's like, okay, this can be a big group, and this can be a small group, or this isn't personal. But because of your schedule, this is getting-- and so that's something I have had to learn to let go, but it was hard to let go of. And I do fear that sometimes that does step on people's toes, but that naturally happens. Can I just say one thing before we enter this? Yeah. Is that I have learned, as I am now 27, every year, I'm like, okay, people are gonna--we're gonna feel grown up, and everyone's gonna be grown up, and then I just realized there's actually no real grown-ups in the world. I know. We're all winged at it. Everyone is. And the thing is, is that no one really necess--there's not an age where you mature out of these things. And so sometimes you can find yourself maybe in your 40s and doing the same things that you did in high school. So that is something that I'm like, oh, that was a shocker for me. I was like, maybe once we get out of high school, then this will be over. Maybe once we get out of college. Maybe once we all are in our careers and have kids, then we'll get out-- nope, still never. And I've kind of just reached that point where I'm like, no one's really grown up. Totally. That's a little sad and scary. Yeah, I mean--but also letting go of that does kind of like, giving some freedom to make adult decisions. Oh, so you can get people grace. You're like, ugh, they're just doing the same little same little--they're just doing this life for the first time. I feel that. Like when I--when Ashley just sent a message, like a breakup text, to me, I'm like, I just feel like--if I didn't like a group of friends, I would just kind of phase--ghost it out. Yeah, like--yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not everything needs to be a big conversation or needs to be stated. And if you don't like people, I'm like, why do we have to create drama and then call people out on things? Like, you can just remove yourself, especially when you are--are such a public person. Yes. The implications are too severe to be doing that type of thing. Yes. Yeah. But I just feel like when I was younger, I always was like, oh, I have to let them know why I'm leaving or why I don't want to be friends or what the--how I feel about this thing. And I feel like part of just being grown up is like, ugh, I actually--they doesn't matter if they know or not. I'm just going to remove myself. I feel because a lot of it is personal, too, like why you're like--I think it's not like you don't need to say, like, you guys are the problems. So I'm leaving. I can think a lot of it could just be like, hey, like, what you're looking for in--or what I'm looking for in a friendship is different than what maybe you're looking for. That's also something I've learned a lot. Like, it's not necessarily--not everything is personal. Right. It's just not a good fit. Like, you can leave somewhere and just be like, yeah, they're awesome. I'm awesome. We're not the same. We're not awesome together. That's fine. We're not personal, there doesn't have to be any, like, you don't have to label someone as bad for us to give ourselves permission to leave something. Totally. That makes sense. Totally. Yeah, I think the conversation of mom groups is very interesting because I have felt good fits and I have felt, like, wrong fits. And I think you honestly know kind of quickly, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think the hardest--what do you say the hardest part of mom groups is? I don't want to say--like, you don't want--I don't want to judge other people's parenting. Yeah. You're kids. Because you're with the mom and the kids. You see a lot of it up front. Mm-hmm. It's like I actually see firsthand how you discipline, how you speak to your kid, how you get involved in situations. And then I see your kid's behavior. And so I never want to judge because I'm also like, I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, really? You're all winging it. So I feel like that's a hard part. It's like making sure that I'm not critical and just have like a--that's what they're doing it. And that's good. We're all see how long our kids will be in the end of it. We'll see how our kids are 18 years from now. [laughs] Like, great. What did you say, Adi? Adi. Especially because I feel like our group is like the group that we have come together is very large. It's like you don't have to be best friends with everyone in the group. And you can be like, I feel like with our conjoined group of like mom friends, a lot of them I'm friends with. I'm not super deep with a lot of them. I have another group of friends that I'm more deep with and not feeling like I have to do that with every person. And so I think it's just been sweet at least for me to join this season and just seeing everyone love on my baby. I've got the good sides of it so far. Yeah. I think the most important thing when like starting to find like your group of people that you're going to raise your kids with is because also you're kind of hand selecting your kids' friends at least for the early part of their life is to cultivate a healthy environment from the beginning. And I think the biggest trap that women like I will hold most like I'm included in this can fall into is the trap of like gossip and that is something that is like I constantly like and I feel like I know like as soon as I walk away from things I'm like that would maybe win a little too far and like just always being aware of that because that is poison to large friend groups totally specifically like and so whether it's not even like our husband or her kids or there's just so many factors when it's a mom group thing because most people are married or and most people have multiple children and it's like there's just so many topics that you could touch on that's just like it's never ever worth it. It's never going to do it. There's nothing good that will come of that and so it is a fine line to navigate but just always keeping that at the back of my mind like there's always something I try to remember because when there's so many people that could that is where the whole cards could crumble down you know. Yes. I would 100% agree. I feel like I want to look back on some of my past friend groups and I'm like why didn't it feel like there was a lot of drama ever and I think it's because we really try not to gossip about each other and I think it makes a huge difference and I think our friends are pretty good like if it starts to get in there we're good at all like pivoting conversation and changing it up. I totally agree. I think and that's something like I admire about both of you and I think I've learned from you guys because I love the gossip. I love the celebrity gossip a lot. It's less personal but it sometimes can relate into other areas and so I feel like I've grown from both of you knowing that. Oh. I'm not gonna gossip because one, I know you guys don't want it and also it's teaching me that that's not nice either You know, so I feel like I've learned a lot from you guys in that Transition that conversation is what about the husbands? I think that's so crazy that he posted that and that Hitler was like go for it babe I mean that's that's bold Which maybe he was like I needed if everyone in the internet was coming for his wife Maybe he's like I just need to call a spade. Wait the subhead is a mom group tell all through a father Size. Oh my goodness. I don't I don't want to talk about them specifically like my opinions on those people because I almost did But I almost gossiped But that is a crazy thing like if Caleb did that I think I'd be embarrassed. Yeah Just getting involved in like my drama, you know the best thing you could do is support your wife privately like first and foremost. Yeah, and I mean it all depends I guess on what she wanted though You know what I mean totally it also wasn't he is the one who posted that and then it was like oh He's confirming this is the group. He was the first one to confirm that that was the group. Yeah The other side of this that I think comes into mom groups a lot is the side of differing opinions differing beliefs I think these two have differing political views and people are speculating that that came into the factor too So how do you deal with mom groups and having those different beliefs within a group good question our group is very diverse very diverse Yeah, I think the This is just something that I think is relatively new, but everyone is latched on to the fact that if you don't agree with someone then You can't be friends you can't talk you're also there they're a bad person right? Yeah, if you believe that that's your character and you're you're bad to the core you got to cut them out Yeah, that is so not how the world works. Honestly, we could all take a note from Zootopia, too I've made it. What makes you you and what makes me me makes we better love that I love Zootopia. I might have miscoded that, but that's what I gather from Zootopia, too We need to be able to hold both like they are I enjoy being with them and they're a good friend and We view things differently. We actually need to view that as a good thing because that is actually how we Refine ourselves as people and also are able to be more open-minded and I think this is And balanced like yeah, I need to be balanced out and called out and and even just like stretch my my thinking like I need to have people on all sides of everything to talk about things with and even if I still disagree when I hear your point You point. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah, I have a lot of respect when you can like we're like if I can say my piece and you can say your piece And we're just like sweet. Let's go get coffee. Yeah, like that's totally fine. And this is this is the this is honestly really dangerous trend That's we're heading down. Uh-huh, and um Yeah, I have a husband that like loves to lean into Controversy and difference and so I haven't learned to appreciate to like the fact that it's like okay Like the first time we meet maybe it's not the first time we meet But this often happens with us like we're getting dinner with a couple for the first time and it's like we just touch on everything that we view differently and We're so there are some of our best friends like so many times, but yeah, I don't know I I don't think I would actually I guarantee I wouldn't like if my husband defended me in that way I think apart me be like thanks babe for trying to defend me. I love you But another part would be like this actually is making the situation so much worse probably Yeah, so yeah man, that's that's tough. That's tough. Yeah, I feel bad for all of them I'm sure all of them feel sad. I feel all of them Feel attacked by the internet for different things which is obviously just a hard place to be But I feel like it did start good conversation about mom groups I will say the person that speaks the loudest on things. I tend to question the most where I'm like You chose to make this all a big public thing. I wonder what your internal Dialogue was like with those women before you just decided to Put it on such a big scale. Yeah, and sometimes I wonder about timing Like it seems like we can be the breakup with the friend group whichever friend group was recent And then she spoke about it. I'm like if it was five years from now I don't think I would think anything of it and it wouldn't have been a big deal but since it's so Recent to when she was like posting with these girls and stuff, you know, it's like the timing too. I would agree I just feel like life has a lot of things going on everything's new on we don't need to have Girl drop a girl drama on top of it gosh get it really fighting gosh This big a fridge to fry around you Dang it. Well, that's disappointing. I hope that they resolve it. They resolve it. Yeah. This is also post on January 1st Oof. Yeah, the article is fresh Well, dang it. I know it makes me feel differently about some of those people which I don't like. I I don't Well, I mean, I just feel differently that they like went public with something like that. Oh, sure Maybe just Ashley. Yeah, and Hayley and Hillary. I feel like they're the main two Dang it because I just feel like I actually just want to talk about it and then Hillary in her husband. I'm like I feel like That must have been dialogue inside their home To make him want to like share that. He would have like a photo shoot like he said it out. I was a plan. I think sure I know that's been all the topic online lately. Dang it. I know Maybe they find new friend groups. Yeah We Have a video kind of I saw online. Oh, yeah, I honestly I think we should just describe the diagram Okay, because it might be too hard to put the whole thing in. Yes, but I can't I was scrolling and I saw this video I thought it was so funny. Yeah, on the topic of friendships. Yes. Yes. Thank you for the Segway. Yes You're not going around there. That's what we got to work on is the Segway The Segway Oh, so great. All right. The Segway my dad gives good feedback I saw this video online just scrolling and it made me pause and watch the whole thing and I immediately wondered what friend am I and so Yeah, I do want to explain the diagram. You sent it. I love this. Okay, so it has four quadrants So the people that are likely to plan things but are also flaky. He calls them captains Because they're coming hot to group chats. They're like, yes, we're doing it. We got to go in But then they will bail a lot of the times. I'm busy. I actually can't make it you guys I'm like my kids sick, you know, they're just like yeah random stuff that pops up Okay, then the people that are that don't plan things and are flaky. He calls them fruit flies He's like this is the people that just kind of they just pop in pop in wow, you're here that time of year You are you are awesome. They just like probably I picture the people that like don't ever respond in a group chat But we'll just very rarely just like will appear. Yeah, you're like awesome Okay, people that don't plan things but aren't flaky he calls them golden retrievers. He says these people Show a shockingly low amount of agency on their own life They love when people plan things and they are like locked in but they don't ever take the initiative take the initiative And then the people that are not flaky and also plan things he calls them bees And he says that They fluctuate from being like super chill to Not chill at all. They'll send you an angry text if you don't show up to their birthday They keep all their bees close to the hive. They like have to be a good buddy and are like grouping people together often so Things that we all know where we We all we want to talk about where we fall. I'm curious to leave in the comments where you guys fall because I think this is Yeah, good self-reflection time send it to your friends too to see like what do you think I am? Yeah, it's Pete Balmer. That's who made the video. Yeah, look him up and find it. Abby your golden retriever. I'm a hundred percent a golden retriever. I I never planned a thing but you ask me I'm in and I'm down and I will make I will be there Yeah, and I will not I will not bail you will be late. I'll be late, but I'll be there Yeah, that's funny. You're definitely a bee. Yeah You plan everything a million parties Do I I do feel like when I was like oh I wouldn't send someone an angry text but I'm like I never got an angry text. I wouldn't send an angry text. I would be like hey Would like to know You are ZB. Yeah That was me when I was back and forth. I think I was coming this weekend. I was like I don't know if I'm going to make it She flake Call her out you did flake. I listen. I texted I think it's still flaking even the day off. Um, I'm a captain That's good. I like to plan things. I will be in the group chat totally. I will tell Abby the things that she should plan And then I also will be like I don't know We're sleep training Braille, so I can't leave the house and Like worked all week. So yeah, I think there's a beauty in that where you're you don't take it so seriously We were able to be like this is actually it would be in can like a super inconvenience And sometimes I'm like it's really inconvenient, but I I have to go yeah, I literally absolutely I can't look myself in the mirror if I flake I literally can't I know like if it I'll be sick as a dog and I'm like I gotta go I said Yeah, I wish I could be more honest, which is that maybe that's not the nice part of being like I just don't think I'm up for going today. I don't know people have said that to me before and I kind of was like Yeah, don't say that I'll keep lying I gotta be honest one time we were like planning we hadn't seen these people in a long time This was years ago no one can speculate who this is And we were a in town like we came all the way to the state that they live in we're like okay We had dinner plans and then like an hour before they're like They have no kids we had kids and they're like we just sat down in the couch and we just can't get off the couch today Yes, I'd be like laziness is different than like oh the the base here cannot make it Yeah, or sleep training and literally did not sleep at all. I think that's different than like I just don't want to get up Like that's such a lame excuse. I know I think people will fall all across the board on this opinion So they'll be like be honest and as we'd be like no, okay, as does it change when it's a pairing You and Caleb together invited to somewhere you and Matt together because when I'm with Blake It's even higher level of like yes, yeah, like doesn't want to do outings So if I want to go and he doesn't want to go we end up not going see I if Caleb is involved we are a hundred percent going Okay, when we first got married it was one weekend killed like came in old Jolly He's like what do you got going on this weekend and I go? What do you mean? I'm hanging out with you. He goes what I've asked for people to hang out like he's so extroverted and once to hang out And I will not plan anything is he a bee? No, he doesn't really take initiative to plan things. I think he was probably before we had kids and he started working more But yeah, not as much now I wouldn't say that Matt is so very much a goal in retriever and I actually like I remember within this happen I was like I take for granted how down you are for literally any plan. I throw at you and I have to give you that Appreciation because I literally think about it. Well because I think about Blake my brother like he's like I and I think about my own father who's Literally a repl- they're replicas of each other like they are just like so they like what they like and they don't want to stray from that And I think Matt could not be more open because and here's the day that it really hit me is that one day at two o'clock I was like we're going to a couple's private Pilates Class and your legs are gonna be in these stir-ups I just remember being in that class. I was like he didn't know when he woke up this morning But I had the schedule. He didn't know an hour before this happened that I scheduled He just came. I'm gonna be so honest. It's because we're middle children He's like here. We are so our older siblings plan everything for us our parents plan everything for us And we were just along for the ride dude is a long for the right. We yeah, we're he's a long for the right I'm the same way. I'm like I want to do things. I'm not gonna plan him Yeah, I don't know why I became a bee but I kind of think I've always had this Yeah, you've always your mom's that way too. Yeah, you're you're both that way and then Blake is like his dad because I love having plans I will tell you that I saw this pillow at home goods and it was like lover of canceled plans and I was like what's why? I like literally love having plans because I'm like that's keeping me excited I'm like I can't wait to do that. It can be the most simple thing in the world But if we if I like think ahead I'm like tonight We're gonna make frozen pizza and watch a movie on the couch when the kids are about I'd be like plans I love it. I just like to look forward to something I don't always feel sad and people cancel on me if it's a night thing if it's during the day I usually feel bummed, but if it's a night thing. I'm like oh good. I could just chill. Oh, I'm always bummed I'm always glad when I do yeah, like the other night we I had a girl's night with my friends that I was hosting and they were like Should we cancel not everyone can make it and they're like no, we're gonna do it And I was like I kind of want to be nice to cancel then they all came and I was so happy like it was so fun But I do get false that realm like an hour before something is planned. I'm like gosh dang it I really wish I didn't have that totally Maybe I am a more extroverted than I realized you were one of the most extroverted people have ever met really yes Yes, yes, yeah, and I'm not saying extroverted as outgoing I mean like you you were energized being around people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like after okay After we hang out with people I'm like, what do you even do now? They're like I like we'll talk to me I want to debrief with Matt and Matt's like So exhausted. He's an introvert on the same. I'm be even though I'm always the last to leave. I can't leave for some reason Yeah, you are like I always linger And then in the car, I'm always like I stay too long They overstay my welcome. You are not he over things everything too That's the only thing I ever overthink in my life I think it's because I used to not being included the things That is a knife to my heart. I know I used to not be invited and then I was like well I must not be cool enough to hang out with people I mean it's sad. So now I don't yeah, I think that's maybe why I usually have to words I'm like I think I was annoying and I stayed too long always me about that I'm like I was so annoying with what I just said or I talked too much right did too much and I never think that never ever ever ever ever ever ever You know I am packed out of you one day and she was like you were just like my head He like asked questions. I'm like Maybe anyone thought anything of that. Yeah, whoa I don't ever overthink I don't think about the things that I say It's really just my length of time or my present. I'm like it's my presence of bother That's deeper. Maybe that's worse Who cares what I say when I'm around I Could be talking about my body being here but it's disruption. They hate me Well, this is fun. Send it to your friends. Are you a bee? Are you a goldmry tree bar? Are you a flute fruit fly? Mm-hmm. Are you a captain? I feel like there's like it's like as you're going through it's like that that that yeah I do feel like I've been a lot more flaky recently though, so I'm it's been a season. It's been connecting. I've never felt you've never Flaked with me Here's the thing about Abby is she probably same with you. You will always be there It doesn't matter how late if I said yes, I will be there Mm-hmm, like let's even say like you were gonna come over and watch housewise one night And I'm like, I don't know if she's ever coming. She said she was gonna come then it's like 8.30 She comes she's here. I'm like, oh cool, great. You will inconvenience yourself. I'm like that was not inconvenience Yeah, I'm always glad I did it. Yeah, but um, yeah, I got to work on being late I actually was really thinking about today. I was like, Abby, do you really think your time is so much more valuable than other people? And I was like, I just can't get it together. I know we walked in at the same we walk in together I was like, oh thank goodness. Thank everyone is there. We weren't by far the the latest. Yeah, I mean we're 10 minutes Does it hurt you guys to be late? Sometimes it depends on the situation. Every time Blake and I walk out the door and we're gonna be late I'm mad, killed mad. I'm mad every single time every Sunday. No, I think the problem is that Matt and I are both It's not even that don't Like I I get why people get mad like it does feel disrespectful of time And it's like I really thought I was going to be on time. That's my trap I thought I could get I don't get mad at other people for being late. So then that's the other thing But I get why people do get mad like it is. Yeah. I get it too. That's why I was really kind of I know I feel convicted about it too Maybe that's right. Maybe that's our one goal that we do forget all the other ones we talked about a couple of episodes ago We just work on Time That's in my whole life. We'll have to get rid of the rest to get focus on that one Okay, show up when you said you were going to yeah, really show up on oh gosh I don't know so hard, Abby. Okay. Well, we're gonna segue Sorry, not a smooth one This Trends that we're not falling for we're not buying into these trends and that doesn't mean they're bad If you like them, we love trends. I fall into a lot of trends, but these ones aren't necessarily my cup of tea These are ones. It's like if someone chooses them love that for them. Perfect. Own it. It's for you It was made for you. It was made for you own it. I'm so happy for you. Yes. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I won't be joining join join the bandwagon and I really mean this. I really mean this can't get offended No, can't get offended if you're like this is my favorite thing ever and I will die on this hill Yes, but because there are so many things I love that people hate and I Actually, I always said this with my friend. I was like you're weird and I meant to add a compliment and she was Secretly getting offended until one day in fifth grade. I meant it as a compliment like I was like I love that you're weird But we're weird together and then she was like when you say that I'm weird I remember this and so we always talk about it now like she's still my friend She's like but like weird in a cool way, right? And so more good for listening. Oh, I love more weird in a cool way Maybe we do a follow-up episode to this we do things that we like that are weird. Oh, yeah That's when pants out, but that's from before me. I like this one. Okay, you want to kick it off? Yes, I feel passionate about this one red light therapy Listen, I understand there are some medical Reasons that this is a necessity. I'm not talking about that I'm talking about this little face mask at the girlies wear for skincare around their house and they look like Iron man you are telling me that some rando company put Christmas lights in a face mask and that's gonna reverse your wrinkles I do not think so. Your cells aren't doing nothing in there. That is a that's a scam. You've been scammed Hmm, and you know how I why I feel like that because I got so many emails from sketchy Amazon companies asking me if I wanted to promote their red light therapy mask and I was like, okay, they're all fake These are team-o purchases that they're selling up working up for a lot of money Okay, devil's advocate for a second though. Sure think about the sun and like the rays from the sun That definitely has effects on your skin. Sure. So we know that light can do something to our skin Don't you think like right? I've never used it But like ultraviolet rays. I think the lady who does my facial is explaining it It's like the only thing that can go like you can do everything topically to your skin But it's the only thing that can go like deeper in your skin I think if you get the really expensive medical grade ones. It's probably doing something. Oh, I'm talking about like I'm talking more about the one from Amazon You know what I mean? Like, what's your minimum price you need to probably spend on one of these? I would probably say like 200 bucks. Oh, I think you probably need to spend more. Probably 600 bucks. Yeah. Yeah, if you're spending less than 600 dollars, those light bulbs are from lows. I'm sorry. Yeah. You could string those up on your case. You could string those up on your tree next year. Just put the mask up there. It's tree topper. There's one for $89. I know. I'm not buying that one. $79. $19. That's, that's expensive. That's a lot of money to do is buy it. I was like, in the hope that it's going to work for skin care. Yeah. I kind of agree. But I'm also like, I don't know enough. I don't know anything. I'm being honest. I've never researched it. What were the health effects of red light? I don't know. They has mental health effects. Okay, 4,000 people have bought this one in the last month. And it, um, what is $93. Okay, see, it's supposed to like rejuvenate yourselves. But that's the thing that I'm always, like, hesitant with is these beauty trends, these beauty gimmick things. Because we've been sold these for millennia. Yeah. Different, put this goop on your face. Do this to cream. Do this thing to that. And I'm like, you're telling me that this light that you're putting on your face. That's a valid one. I can see it. Turn back the clock. I never used one. I don't know. I feel like that would be a claustrophobic nightmare for me. This is promoted as smooth and skin oil control. Skin tightening. That's cool. I just kind of mind it. That's a good one. I'm not talking about the health people. Like, I know someone who has cancer and she does red light therapy. And it's great. That's how I'm talking about that. Like a red light room type thing. Yes. I'm literally talking about. You're talking about the iron man. Iron man mask. Yeah. Okay, that's valid. Okay, that's my trend. Okay, this one I don't even think is like a relevant trend anymore. Okay. But La Boo Booz. La Boo Booz. I didn't buy any La Boo Booz. No, I, okay. The first time I learned about La Boo Booz was when Matt and I went to VidCon last year. And all these kids had them on their backpack. And I was like, that's cute for kids. They're kind of creepy. But that's fun that they have their thing. But then when I saw adult women with them attached to designer bags. Of course. Because when I was like, what are we doing? What are we doing here? And I genuinely think that like give it two years. Everyone's going to look back and be like, what was that? What was that about? What was that? Because I have things I can be like, what was that about? But that one I'm like genuinely like, grown adults with fancy expensive bags. And little weird stuffed animals attached to them. That is objectively weird. It's weird. I kind of like it. I wouldn't, I didn't purchase any. But I kind of like, are they expensive? How much is the La Boo Booz? No, I think originally they're like $30 from Popmart. But it was the bar market that went crazy. Like limited edition La Boo Booz. They're all limited edition. I'm pretty sure you don't know which one you're getting, which is also part of the craze. Oh, I didn't know that part. Yeah, so when you open, I'm pretty sure. And yeah, they went expensive on the second hand market. That's why they went crazy. Well, Addy, your face was like, this is crazy. What? The one that's at the top of the, when you look up La Boo Booz and go to the Popmart, sorry, the monsters, $114. Yes, they're not originally that expensive. They're maybe $30 to $60 originally. This one is $25. This one is $25. Yeah. But it was the second hander. A sidebar of that is that a trend I also will not be falling for is design or anything. I can respect it in the sense of like it's art to people. Like these bags are like art to people. It's just, I'm not going to fall for that. I don't really. I don't want to buy a bag for that much. I don't think it's, it's not worth it to me. See, I'm the opposite. I love, I love, I've always, but I've always loved like the history of fashion and the art side of it. So someday when it's not like sin for me to spend that much money on a bag, I will buy myself a special bag. But I will say, I try and they don't like his dube culture. That's not on my list. But in my head, I'm like, I'd rather just not have it at all than have a fake. And that's a hot take. Yeah, that I have a, I like a dube. Yeah, you like to be like, you'd rather have a fake than by spending your money. No, no, it's not even about the fake. It's like, I like the shoe for what, like for the shoe that it is. It's like, it wasn't ever about the brand. You know what I mean? Sure. So it's not because it's replicating a brand. It's because like, the dupes I have are like ugged dupes. I'm like, I like those warm shoes. Sure. So, yeah. Yeah, I know. And I never cared about the brand. So then I was like, I don't, yeah. There's two ends of the aisle. You know what I do? I will never buy. What? A magnetiles dup. Oh no. Some of the magnets aren't as strong. I will never buy it because on their box, they're packaging of every single box. It was like, they have like some type of disclaimer. It's like, please look out for false magnetiles. And I just think about this in my head, it's like a family small business that started magnetiles. And it really took off because it's an amazing product. It is an amazing product. And we love magnetiles. And I was like, oh my gosh, I don't want to fall for that. And I honestly should probably view ugs that way too. Yeah. But-- Well, ugs are different because there's a whole history there. Yeah, I know that there's some history behind hugs. So I will, I will never mark my words. I will never buy a magnetiles dup. To make it even more to the heart, it was invented in Japan by a math teacher to teach geometry. Magnetiles? Yep. And then it was brought to the US in 1997. And that's when they changed the name to magnetiles. Magnetiles is a great name. Incredible creation. OK, my next trend, pimple patches in public as fashion. I'm so sorry. You're right. That is just nasty. We don't need to normalize pimples. They're already normal. We don't need to draw sentences with a star on our face. I don't like it. We can normalize acne, but not-- Yes, of course. Yeah, highlighting them. I think it's OK to take it off your face and go out looking a little bit more presentable. Yeah, the people. This is something I'm very passionate about, is the pimple patches. And the colors, in the shapes. Yes. Just what? I didn't think a thing about your pimple until you put that patch on it. And now I'm like, that's nasty. Yeah, there's something-- there's some folks coming out. Yeah, there's-- That's drying out. And then that should be done at nighttime while you're sleeping. That should be done overnight. I agree, actually. That is weird. My next one is very controversial. Uh-oh. Cottage cheese. Oh. I'm not falling for it. Don't fall for it. Quit putting a cottage cheese in everything. I put it literally everything. Honestly, grotesque. Stop blending it. It's not a good texture. I tried it. It's a lie. Don't put it in your wop. Heaven forbid you put cottage cheese in any of my desserts. Heaven forbid. Heaven forbid you. I'm literally like, please get that out of here. It doesn't need to be in everything. I mean, also cottage cheese has been around, guys. Like a long time. And it's also curdled milk. Sure. Let's be careful where we're putting that. I'm literally like so tired of hearing about cottage cheese. I love cottage cheese. Yeah, I don't mind it. I like it. I actually like it a little bit in my eggs. Yeah, that's fine. It's easy. It's good. It's really creamy. I did try that because of peer pressure. I was peer pressure too. I'm not doing it currently. Never going to get it. I won't probably go on either. It's just like, let eggs be eggs. Eggs are wonderful. Let everything exist as it should be. You know what the next food trend is that I'm excited about? Actually, it's cabbage. I love cabbage. That's it. But it just got cabbage. I don't know. He's on probably food. It's coming up. He was a people who are catching on. Oh, cabbage was already a part of that green dip. That was really popular online. Oh, I don't know. You would love it. I love cabbage. I'm going to make it for you. You just have to chop up everything is so small and it takes forever. But it's a really good, little green dip. Let's try it. I'm honored that you would do it. But there's no cottage cheese in it. Good. Keep it out. And don't put it in desserts. Don't make any dessert healthy. Don't do it. Just make a dessert bad. OK? Not bad. Just eat it. Eat it again. Just eat your good. Don't get her bad, have you? I'm sorry. OK, my next one's also controversial. Paying it forward. I sound like the biggest jerk. You're great. OK, I have a reason for this. Keep it valid. Keep it out. Before you call me. Before you hate me. OK, Caleb and I went to Culver to get ice cream. It was a tight budget month. And we were like, let's treat ourselves and go get ice cream. We restrained ourselves. We both got smalls. OK, we're like, we're not going to go with medium wrap because we don't want to spend more money. We get up to the window. Oh, my goodness. The card in front of us paid for our order. That was so nice. So generous. But then I look at the lady in the window and I go, so what do we do? Do we have to pay for the people behind us order? And she goes, if you want. And I just felt like a jerk. How do you-- you can't be the one that ends the pay-it-forward train? Because you are then a bad person. And you know what the people behind us ordered? Mediums! [LAUGHTER] So we should have just ordered what we wanted. And that's why I will be saying, I'm not falling for that train. If you want to pay for my meal, that's amazing. I'll take it generously. But I'm just going to accept the gift. I'm just going to say, unless we're like, let's be generous. But I'm not going to feel pressured to be generous. OK, in the moment. You let that one go. You in the train. I've had this door you're written down for so long. I wrote it as pay-it-forward hoopla. hoopla? I've been using that word a lot recently. Me too. That's really funny. Yeah, it was a bad-- That is some hoopla. I think it's funny. It's just really ironic that your decision was a financial decision. Yeah. Only for it, such as the-- So I guess, honestly, what you should take from this is-- Just get the mediums. Always get mediums. I mean, that's what I'm saying, too. What's $5? You don't have to be, yeah, it's just funny. OK, this one-- I know we agree on this one. AI. Oh, Abigail. - I'm not falling for Abby. - You can call me Abby, I agree they ain't. I go by that sometimes. - AI, and Abby brought up this point, just say it. - AI is for men. - It is, and here's the thing. I've used it before, honestly, I had to use it for this podcast. - You use it lots of times. - That was, I haven't used it actually a lot of times because I'm so avidly against it. - So annoyed by it. - And I know that here's the thing. I know that it's inevitable. - AI is going to continue to grow and become this massive thing and I'm gonna end up using it too. But at this point, I just think there needs to be more boundaries with AI. I remember, it's really mad. He's always talking to AI. I'm like, that's not a person. We have to have boundaries. You can ask AI a question. It's like, hey, come up with a name or come up with a concept or heck, even like, I don't know. What's a nice way of phrasing this email? That's fine. But when it's like, give me life advice. Give me, like, I don't know, there's things that are like, these, a human has to be there. - Sure. - A human has to know you, not a machine, and my other gripe about it, if I were to give you a list, it gasses you up so much. - Oh, I hate it. - It's like, what a wonderful idea. - What a great question, Caleb. - Make sure. - Oh, yeah. - They're like, Matt, wonderful idea. And I'm like, no, it wasn't. But that doesn't mean anything. It's a computer. - It's empty. - Here's where the issue comes. Is both of you are talking about how they speak to it. I have used chat Gbt for work for different things. I type anything I need. So then I'm not getting the emotional side of things. - No, they gasses you never talk to, ever. - I hate the talking. And they fluff, it rambles, it doesn't get to the point. I'm like, don't give them a compliment and then get to the point. Just get to the point. I can read Google faster than you get to the point. Once I'm Caleb goes, okay, hey chat. My wife and I, and it goes, oh wow, that's funny. The Abby wants to do that. I said, you never told it, my name. - It knows my name. - Oh, yeah. - Matt. - I can't have a Matt tells AI about me. And I'm like, it's for men that need a mentor. I honestly think. - Okay, this is where AI is for men. I was listening to a podcast and these guys were talking about how Jim and I, at the bottom of a video, they'll say, Jim and I, summarize this video for me. And I said, that's it. Women will never do that. And they were like, oh, that's gonna be all the new thing. People are gonna just summarize their videos. I go, no woman is gonna summarize their video. I want the story, I want the details. I want to be sat and I want to hear it. - I want to wind down. I want the information. Don't summarize this. I don't want it. - Too much too soon. - Too much too soon. (laughing) That's for men. They want to get to the point and they just want to move on with their day. - Yeah, they don't care about the details. - All the details. That's right. - That's right. - Yeah. - And here's the thing. I even hate to be saying this because I know I'm a hypocrite. Because I just know that I'm gonna succumb to this. But right now, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna do it reluctantly. - Sure, a slow adopter. (laughing) - I don't like it when it talks and I don't like it. - Yeah. - And I also, like, it changes per people all the time. - Mm-hmm. - And I don't know people. It's actually a problem. People think that they're like in relationships with AI personalities. And yeah, they do. They're full apps for that. The other day, Caleb had chat talking and it literally started, it got drunk in the middle of its sentence. It started splaring its words. I'm going to shoot you right. (laughing) - Your chat has a problem. (laughing) It's an addict. - I literally, when Matt gets on it, I'm like, take it in another room. (laughing) Take her in another room. - Take her. - I just got this flashback of like 20 years ago, 10 years ago. And like, if someone were to watch you guys talk about this and be like, "What the heck?" - Yeah, I don't know how colleges are adjusting to this. - I don't know. - I don't know what's going on. But it's out of control. - It's out of control. - Out of control. - Too much too soon. - Okay, here's my next one. Fake freckles. I think they look cute. Honestly, it's just another step. And I'm not doing it in my makeup routine. I've always been jealous of freckles. You have the cutest freckles. I think I would look cute with freckles. I'm not painting them on my face. - I agree. - I will not be doing that. - You have them where you don't. - Yeah, exactly. You're blessed. Oh, you're a mess. I'm just kidding. - I feel like your face probably looks the best the way it is. - Yes. I don't think it's gonna look better with freckles. - I might look a little different. - It's just such an extra step. Like, don't worry about it, enough things to do. - Also, it could go wrong really quickly. - So fast. (laughing) - Yes, that's my whole point with that one. - I agree. - This one, man, I did two heavy ones back to back. And I have a lot of passionate feelings with them. This one, man hating. Talked about it on unplanned before and people did not like it. - Why? - They said you shouldn't hate men more. - Well, it's a trend, Abby. - Oh, lady. - It is a trend, it is a major trend, but I'm still standing on this. Hating men is, okay. Hating, discriminating against an entire gender, because you had a bad experience with one, is still discrimination, even if it's men. Even if you view them as like, you know, privileged in some type of way, which they are, but that is still discrimination. It's still not okay. And also, I'm raising two boys. I would like to think that one day when they grow into men, that they can be in a world where women are not going to be constantly looking to degrade them, to belittle them, to look for them to make any mistake, and then be like, yeah, because you're a man. You know, I think it's just, it's not serving us. It's not doing the purpose that we want. - Right. - Like, we should actually maybe encourage men. And, you know. - The way that we want them to encourage us. - Yes. - And maybe they'll step up the plate, gosh dang it. - Dang it. I imagine you speak positively to someone and they turn it around. - Me personally, when people are like, giving me praise, I'm like, I want to do more of that. - Literally. - When people are knocking me down constantly, and I think this is running rampant online specifically. And so that's why I say this on this platform, is because it has become so cool. I'm like, I hate all men or all men are terrible. Just make these crazy comments. And I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. If someone were to say that about women, we would be pissed off. - Literally. - And like, this is just so crazy. And it's just been a trend among any type of like, couples or family creators. It's like, let's villainize and demonize the man. Let's call them gay. That's a big trend too. Like, let's just do everything to demasculinate them. - Right. - And also just belittle them, make them feel so small. And we're also hitting the wrong target so many times. I'm like, they're awesome person, they're amazing. And we're going after the wrong people. Everyone, this is just not women. It's not going to help us. - Right. - It will only hurt us. - Yes. - For us, for me. - Terrying other people down to build yourself up has never been effective. - Never what? - Never what effective. - You could love women without hating men. - Yes. And also, it's just a pride, like prideful in a bad way. I'm like, it's not, it's not like a cute pride. - No. - It's just, it's like women are amazing. We are awesome. But like, that can be the period. - That can be the end of it. - Both things can be true. Women are awesome, men are awesome. - Yeah. - And I do understand that the conversation, the main hating started after the Me Too movement. Much needed movement, very important movement. But it's just gone too far. - It wasn't all men. It was never all men. - Right. And it's just gone too far. - It's gone way too far. - We need to bring it back in a little bit. - Ring it in and calm it down everybody. And I'm sorry if you've had a bad experience with a man. - Yeah, that man sucks. - That man is sucks. We hate those men. We don't like that man. - We're making these broad statements. It's just, it's, right. - It's not unfair. - It's unfair. - Yes. - I love my man. He's awesome. So I'm like, everyone calm down. - What's it song? - That's my man. - Thank you for my man. That's my man. - Yeah, that one. (laughs) - I think that in the head a lot. Okay, that's good, Abby. - Thank you. - Thank you for saying that. - Yeah, I'm like, I honestly think about my little boys and I'm like, they're awesome. - I know I love them. - Anyone to just be like, "Hey, what's your man?" - I will fight them. - No. - I know. - It's gonna make me not like girls. - Right. - Yeah, I love girls. - I love girls. - I'm a girls girl and I'm in my answer girl. - No, I'm a girls girl. (laughs) - I don't even know what I was trying to say. Okay, my last one, this one is a high take. This one's controversial. - Okay. (clears throat) - Pilates. (laughs) - I'm sorry. I don't like it. - As a whole? - Or as your primary form of exercise. - I've done it multiple times and I was bored every time. - I think I've invited you every time. - Yeah, I've done it a bunch of times and every time, I'm like, oh, you see all those videos of the line of girls where they're like, my football boyfriend coming to Pilates and he's like, "Shiv, you know, shiv, it's so hard." I've never experienced that. - Really? - Yes. I mean, maybe for like an eight count. Oh, I've been, I've been trembling in Pilates. - Sure, you tremble a bit. - I don't know, I just, I was bored every time. - Yeah. - I've done it multiple times, like many different, many different gyms and it's just never been my thing. So I just like to work out differently. - No, I agree. - It's so expensive. It doesn't get your heart rate up. - No, I think I like that. - I like getting my heart rate up. - Same. And it's like $45, $40 for a drop in class of some of these places. I'm just telling you, if you have, if you wanted to try it and you're like feeling left out, it's okay. - That's good, actually. I mean, it's not my preferred workout. It does, I think the reason the trembling comes around is 'cause you're working muscle groups that are small. - Or small. - Yes. - Yeah. And it's like, you're like, they've never done this before. - Yeah, totally. - They've never had this responsibility. - Yes. - But yeah, that's so, I'm sorry. People are gonna hate me for that. I don't know about that. - They will. People love, people love their gym. [BLANK_AUDIO] and I'd be like, "Aw, that's a bummer." But I know people don't like burn. So it's okay, actually. It's okay that I don't like Pilates. - It's okay that you don't like Pilates, Abby. - It's okay. Everything's perfectly fine. - I prefer other workouts as well. - Yes, that's awesome. - See, everyone, see how that just went? Abby said something and we all said it's okay. - It's okay, Abby, it's okay. - Okay, I got one. This one actually is still a trend and I'm surprised that it is. - Okay. - Laminated eyebrows. Or as I like to call them electrocution eyebrows. (laughing) I was going like that, right? I gave eyebrows, Laminated the other day. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, go off." No, no, no. I think you can get your eyebrows like professionally laminated and like tinted and like lifted. I'm talking about going literally straight vertical. - Yeah, those are, yeah, a little crazy. - Fluffing them directly up, especially if they're long and greasing them all the way up. No eyebrows grow like that. - Sure. - And I think the whole point of makeup is to accentuate the natural beauty of your face and your features. And so when they go straight up, select, straight up. It's not looking like an eyebrow anymore to me. My eyebrows have looked like this through all the eyebrow trends. And that's because that's what they look like. - Sure. - So I'm like, it's not for me. - Yes. It's for me. - eyebrow blindness is a real thing. - That's bad. - eyebrow blindness has been around since 2015. (laughs) - Well, remember, wait, I also want you to have a moment for all the trends of eyebrows. - Right. - Super skinny, like the early 2000s, like pins are overplugged. - Yeah. - Then we swayed so hard to the block eyebrows, squares, completely filled in. Now we've gone to a more natural shade of eyebrow, but select the heavens, select the heavens. I actually look back sometimes and I have shellac to the heavens eyebrow. Sometimes I have a little bit of eyebrow blindness. - You can call me a clean girl aesthetic. No, I've never noticed you having it. I'm talking about extreme cases, 'cause I do also, I brush mine up. - Yeah. - That's great. And it's just for me, I'm like, when they go, all the way up and they're really long, it's kind of like-- - Yeah, it's fluffy eyebrows. It's like the big, big area of the eyebrow. - I think that's what they call them, but they don't look fluffy to me. - No, I know. It's the extreme-- - I exaggerate talking about. - Greased straight up. - Yes, yes, yes. - That is crazy. - It is crazy. I, one time I did do that and my older sister's DM me and my sister's a little bit goes, what is wrong with your eyebrows? - I do, you go up and then just a little bit inside. - To this side. - Yes. - 'Cause it's just, you kind of always look surprised. (laughs) - Maybe that's why I like it. I'm like, ooh, a little facelift. - I do think it's part of the clean girl's stack that I never quite like, it doesn't suit me. So it's probably just a trend that, it's a part of a large, a broader trend that doesn't suit me. - Sure. - And yeah, maybe I'm just also too hairy, I don't know. - I'm pretty hairy too. - I like the eyebrows, but I get what you're saying with the extreme. - Maybe if they're too, maybe it's the problem is when they're too long to do in that. - Yes, it's the length. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Ooh, I'm glad we got those off-roading. - I'm glad we got those off-roading. (laughs) - Ask, ask, ask, abbies. - Hi, my name's Ashley and I just had a question. You're besting to have a large ring group and to host a lot of gatherings. And I was just wondering what your best hosting tips would be. Love watching you guys and listening along. Bye. - Take it away, Abby. - Oh. - I'm no expert, I mean, my advice is like, don't worry about perfection, like in your house. Like my house will be messy, straight up messy and we're still having people over. And I think that is, maybe just to do the season of life that we're into, where it was like, I don't have time to clean my house all day because we're gonna have company. But also it's just like, it's more about the company that you're gonna have over. And like your true friends are not gonna think a thing about you having toys out or dishes in your sink. Yeah, I think that's the main thing that I think of. I think people think that their house has to be perfect and that their event has to be perfectly planned and all these things, and it's really not about that. You can just say, hey, come, like I'll have a few snacks. You can bring snacks too. And it's just about the community and the company and not about how like your house looks. I think that, yeah, especially as women, we kind of feel like things have to be perfect. And that's not the point of it and your real friends are not gonna care, I don't know. Totally. Yeah, I think that's good. I don't know about anything to add. I think that's great, thanks. Hey guys, love listening to the podcast. I was just calling to ask for advice about what to do or how to get through a season with your partner where you feel like you're becoming distant or disconnected. I know that it's like, I didn't flow within relationships, but sometimes some seasons are harder than others. And how did you guys navigate through that during your relationships? Thanks. Oh man, yeah, that happens a lot. I mean, not a lot, but that's happened here and there throughout the seasons of our marriage for sure. And I feel like we've recently had a season like this, especially just being postpartum and pregnant. I told Caleb, I looked at him, I said, I just feel a little bit more like your roommate and your friend than I do your wife. And sometimes just voicing it out loud to your spouse opens up the conversation of like, oh, I didn't even realize that like, what do you need from me to feel more connected? Or what can I do to help us feel more connected? And I think it goes both ways, like asking, I would ask Caleb, like, what can I do to help? And then he would also ask me like, what can I do to be a better husband? And then we schedule a date night. And I think that's really important. 'Cause sometimes you just need quality, like I'm a big quality timer. When I'm lacking on quality time is when I start to really feel distant. So yeah, whatever it is with your love language or your spouse's love language, just ask and then really try to go above and beyond for a little bit of a time, not just like one time, but like for a couple weeks until you kind of feel like you've reconnected. - Mm, that's really good advice. And I like how you've been said, like relationships have in flow. I think we need to do more normalizing of this and like a normal relationship. Like can't have parts where you're like, it's not necessarily all passion right now. Especially in seasons, like you said, when seasons are more difficult. Postpartum, like any hard thing in life that can happen is going to naturally affect how you are showing up in your relationship and in your marriage. And that has to be normal and it can't go to like panic time. And like, oh, this isn't like the movies. This isn't passionate. This isn't like a rom-com. So this is bad or this is wrong. But it is good to acknowledge that and like to do a check-in and then, yeah, having honest conversation. I think that advice to go above and beyond for like a couple of weeks is great advice. Just kind of shock everyone out of it. - Yeah. - We like, we love each other. We like, are having fun. - Yes. - And so, yeah, I think that's really good advice. And also just expressing that, 'cause I feel like if you would honestly say this, I think John Loney says this, where he's like, it's one thing to say like, I need this from you. And it's something even more intimate in a way to say like, I want this from you. Like, and I think that maybe your partner can hear this, that better too. It's like, I want you. I'm craving like intimacy with you. And I feel like that honesty and transparency will almost always be well received, hopefully. - Mm-hmm. - Hi, Abby and Abby. My name is Brin. And I'm a regular listener. Regular listener to your podcast. Both unplanned and your new one. I wanted to know what is both of your favorite way to unwind after a long day. Thanks so much. I love you listening to your podcast. I guess. - That's sweet. Thanks for listening. - Yeah, thank you so much. - I like a bagel bowl of ice cream. Smothered in chocolate shell. - Oh. - Yeah. (laughs) Ice cream. I, yeah, that really helps me feel, just happy. And I, that's awesome. - Yeah. I have a new habit now of, after I put the kids to bed, I'm like, I just need, like, I honestly would say, ideally at least 20 minutes to just put on headphones. And I listen to live very music on YouTube. And read my book and have a hot tea. And I literally, I'm just like, I'm amazed by how, like, I feel after all that. And Matt, like, now he makes my tea. He knows it's like an expectation. I have my little corner of the couch. My Kindle, my blanket. And I'm like, thank you. And like, we don't talk for like 20 minutes. And it's amazing what, like, that does for my brain to like, wind down. And also, I'm just like, it's so relaxing. It's like, so much my favorite thing ever. And then Matt, like, came and sat down. He's like, oh, are you not done yet? I'm like, no, you can come sit next to him. Like, I'm like, this is, I like, did it one night. And I was like, this is gonna be a frequent thing. I like, love this. But everyone has their own things. I feel like, I would caution against, like, scrolling because it feels like, it's easy to do and it feels good. But you're not actually probably winding down. You're probably winding yourself up. - Mm-hmm. Now, I'm thinking about it. I probably don't have anything that I do to wind down. I probably need to implement something. It is very relaxing for me when I cook to watch a show. And I put my headphones in, I have a show going when I cook. But I haven't been able to do that as much in this season. So, I'll get back to that. - Yeah. - But that was how I would before wind down. - Wow, guys, I, every time I hear your voice notes, I just want everyone to know how grateful I am that you guys are listening and, like, participating in this way. - Mm-hmm. - It's really, really cool. And I'm just, I just feel so much gratitude for our audience listening and for everyone here. - And that they're always here. - I'm like, oh my gosh, we asked about a call in and they actually did it. - That's amazing. - It's so sweet. - Thank you guys for supporting. If you guys want to call in, the phone number is 602-456-9690. 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