MOLST - A Primer for the Emergency Physician

[birds chirping] Hello and welcome to part two of the Stompcast, Billy and I. I just go wandering through the park and it's an absolute glorious day. And this conversation has been amazing so far. So thank you so much for joining me. I do really appreciate your time. And you're down in London because you're on the one show last night. We're not used to. You're a busy man on the broadcasting front these days, aren't you? Yeah, I'm in a busy period right now just getting ready to go away for the Winter Paralympics, which I'll be out there sort of working on, which is really exciting for me. It's a step up for me in terms of career basically, you know, trying to be the clear building of the Winter Paralympics. And by hosting a show by myself, it's the first time I've ever done that. So new pressures. Yeah, I mean, you're really good at it. And remember, as you kind of face out of active racing and you're kind of doing more broadcast it, you know, I could see that you actually are a talented broadcaster. You are a good communicator. I just wonder, like, as kind of the young boy going into racing, does you ever think that you'd be broadcaster? If you're not just within your own sport, obviously your sport is also within broader athletics now as well. But, you know, you've actually spread out to further categories. Did you think you'd be kind of doing this? Well, you're an actual communicator, are you good at this? No, I was a shy kid, so I don't really. I wasn't like that outspoken sort of person. That was always, you know, having conversations with friends. I would be the one in a group setting that would kind of be sat there quite quietly, sort of listening and sort of taking it in. And I think, like I say, a go-karting and racing built my confidence when I was younger. So, suddenly I became, you know, someone who was so obsessed with racing a motorsport, I guess, asking those questions or being curious about that world is something that sort of became second nature to me. Yeah. Was it like the first time you did, like, kind of a live segment, kind of from, I guess, in the earlier, kind of broadcasting the racing days and stuff? What was it like? Were you kind of nervous and it was like, right live in 3-2 and then go, "I'm absolutely terrified, I'm not going to lie." The first, I remember my first experience of sort of presenting after my accident. And effectively it had come by, I won the Helen Rollison Board at BBC Sports Personality of the Year Awards. And I basically delivered a speech and got off halfway through because I took too long of a pause because I was so nervous. I took too long of a pause and, yeah, they presented sort of, you know, cut off me onto the next thing. And then they, I think there was a bit of backlash from it because people then saw that I went to start speaking again. They basically came back to me later in the show and let me finish my speech. So, it was like, it was basically something that hadn't gone well. But that someone, one of the producers in Formula One, had kind of looked at actually when I was talking about what I was saying and thought that he could be quite good on screen. And they basically said, "Do you fancy being part of the presenting team for Channel 4 of Formula One?" And I basically said, "No, straight away." Did you say "No?" I said "No, straight away" because for me I was still racing, I was still competing at the time. So the thought of doing that, I was like, "Well, no, I'm a racing driver. You know, why would I be sort of presenting Formula One when I'm focused on my own career?" And they're all of that. So that was kind of the initial thought process, but the team around me and my friends and family, I kind of said to them, "You know, I'd put it out to the people around me." I was like, "What do you think? I've been asked if I'll do a few races for Channel 4 and go out and basically speak about Formula One." And they were like, "Are you mad? Of course you should do it." And I was like, "But I'm still racing and I'm like, I don't want to be. " It shows your focus on racing, though. You really like racing. Yeah, I didn't want it to take away from my career and distract me, but they were like, as much as, you know, potentially it is a bit more to juggle. There is also a lot of opportunity that comes with being in the paddock, Formula One paddock, with the big bosses that make all these big decisions. Exactly. Yeah, that for me was the big switch in mindset with it, because half-tone, initially saying "No." And my friends and family basically saying, "Take a bit of time to actually think about this." Next thing you know, they. I sort of thought about it for, "Okay, actually being in the paddock with the boss of Mercedes, the boss of Ferrari, being able to speak to the drivers, the team bosses." That actually puts me in their sight and makes me sort of a talking point on their mind. And when I was still trying to progress my career, I thought that was something that would be beneficial. So, to be honest, it was quite a weird introduction into that world, because like I say, it wasn't like a passion of mine at the time. Formula One was a passion, but being on camera wasn't something that I was like really desperate to be. So I basically had like two or three presented training sessions, and it was in London, it was in an ex-presenter's back garden here to shed with some cameras. And he basically put me in there and went, "Okay, write a little piece about Ferrari or like a team." And then he went, "Okay, I'm going to turn the camera and record you, talk to the camera, and then we're going to watch it back." So it was awful experience to be honest. I hate watching myself back on camera. It's just like, I don't know why, the sound of my voice, everything like that. I'm always a bit like, "Oh, do I sound like that?" Is that like the sort of terminology I have? I think most people kind of like that when they first see themselves on camera to a certain extent. But quite quickly, I sort of learnt how to deliver lines to camera, learnt my sort of early pitfalls about what the sort of words that I would go back to commonly, like sort of those filler sort of words I guess you could call them. The arms, the arms, all of that kind of stuff. And next thing you know, I was literally doing a test day at Silverstone in my own race car, got straight on Innecar to the airport and went flew out to Australia in 2019. And I literally, I'd never been to Australia before, so I flew across the other side of the world. It's just like this car. It was jet lag, does anything. And then I arrived, got shot, and I went straight to the circuit and met all my colleagues, David Courtaude, Mark Weber, Steve Jones, the presenter. It was just like a whirlwind and I was stood next to David Courtaude, Mark Weber, who were two Formula One drivers that I've always looked up to. And season Brawl Caster. Season Brawl Caster's of race and one Grand Prix's and fought for championships and I'm stuck there going, what am I meant to say that they don't already know about Formula One? And it was definitely really, really tricky at first. How did you from a kind of approach and like confidence perspective? How did you kind of get yourself geared up to kind of excuse the pun? How did you kind of get yourself in the mindset to be able to do that? How do you deal with those levels of change? Because change is difficult and you adapt yourself to an environment, right? Like you're in the racing car, except for me, for example, working an A&E. When I kind of started doing, I guess, Brawl Caster. It is a change and you need people to go, 'Oh yeah, but you're the pressure of you working an A&E, you used to be under pressure.' But it's different, isn't it? It's different. You do have to learn to adapt. 100%. And to be honest, it takes time and it takes people to, in my case, it took people to take a punt on me. That's what they were doing when they asked me to come on the show in the first place. They were taking a punt on me, having seen a speech that I'd done at sports personality. Like to think that that would then correlate to Formula One. And I guess there's a chance that I could have turned up and been really bad and I probably wouldn't have been invited back. So I must have been half okay to continue to get invited back and for them to want to include me in the show on a more regular basis. But at first, if I look back now at some of the first few weekends, I'm sure I'd be like, 'Oh my god, what was I talking about? I'd have been a nervous wreck. I definitely remember feeling super, super nervous when I was actually doing that sort of stuff.' It's just people to bet on you and to give you time to progress and to learn your craft. We can't be expected to come out of the blocks firing and being a season presenter but we don't have those experiences, we don't have that sort of ability to deal with adversity because we haven't had that adversity faced in that particular field. So for me, I was just lucky that people around me were just basically quite cautious and gave me time with my development and I definitely feel like I've grown into it a lot over the last few years. What do you kind of move forward on the broadcaster perspective? What's like some of your dreams? And doing what you're going to do very shortly, so it's one of those. Do you know what you like to kind of do, like head up a presenter of a one-of-the-formal-one broadcaster show? What is the kind of dream for you? Yeah, I think it's a good question. I think it's something that to be honest, a part of me is still working out exactly what I want to do in this space. I think I've now sort of been basically a sort of punder in the sort of motorsport world for a good few years now since 2019. And I do think that the pundits in Formula One, like a lot of the benefit that they have is being extravers themselves. You only have to look at between Channel 4, Sky, or the Big Brawl Caster's, a lot of the pundits that they have on our Formula One driver's side. I do feel quite unique in the sense that I haven't been a Formula One driver and that I'm invited to be a pundit. But I also think having that, but also more recent experiences of working in the Paralympic world and going out to Paris in 2024 and hosting a breakfast show for that. Part of me does feel like my skillset as a sort of presenter is becoming more well-rounded. And hopefully being a lead presenter potentially for Channel 4's career in Formula One. I think that's something longer term that I would be, if I could get to that space, I think I'd be really, really proud of that. Because I have the motorsport experience. I know what I'm talking about in terms of motorsport ball, so I feel like because of the roles that I've done in more recent times, I hopefully have the ability to bring out those answers in the people that know it best that have actually lived and breathed and done it in Formula One. Let's talk a little bit about the other part of your career now, which is like you're going into sport and from a different angle now. Having been within that sport for a long period of time, obviously, it was still really young and clearly very fit. But what has the drive force been to kind of go into a new competitive sporting environment, I guess? Yeah, I think to be honest, it sort of stemmed from after my accident, I had a just forgiving page that was set up for me to help support my recovery. So I had basically money raised to support, but being able to buy prosthetics and basically at that stage people didn't know basically what my quality of life would be. I didn't know it either, it was set up by friends when I basically was still in the coma. So I had no idea about it and it sort of caught fire and the whole motorsport community came around me and basically raised a part of money for me to help support basically me getting back up on my feet, excuse the pun. But yeah, that was always something that I just felt incredibly grateful for. And I always wanted to basically give back. And I was quite indebted by the fact that people had gone out of their way and given up their hard earned money to sort of be able to give one person the potentially they've never met before a better quality of life. So giving back and raising money was always at the forefront of my mind. And then COVID, the first commit relief challenge sort of got presented to me. And that was at the time, obviously a very weird time for a lot of us COVID. A few months before that sort of challenge came about, I'd got back into the gym and really started to focus on my fitness for my own sort of mental health reasons more than anything. Because the first few months of COVID, I realised that I wouldn't be competing that year and fitness and training for me had always just been about being able to perform in the race car. It hadn't been something that I was doing because I really enjoyed it. It had been like, okay, well if I'm fit strong and healthy. I'm more chance of winning and I'm not a disadvantage. So it literally for me was about basically doing the amount of training I needed to do to make sure there was no disadvantage when I was in the car. I didn't go out and do extra work because I was dedicating discipline in that sense. It was like, what do I need to do to make sure those guys haven't got an advantage over me in a physical sense and I did that. So my mindset definitely shifted in COVID when I realised I got a bit of that out of shape after nothing that I wouldn't be racing in that year. I was like, okay, focusing on my fitness, doing it for my own mental reasons, really enjoying it and starting to basically get into the best shape I'd ever been in. I was fitter and stronger and healthier than I was when I was competing even though I hadn't got that same sort of drive or the same motivation to be getting into fitness. And next thing you know, out of the blue, completely out of the blue, Comic Relief got in touch with my management team and said, we have an idea for Billy to potentially do a challenge for Comic Relief. And I was really curious about what they would basically come up with. Like I said, we have had no involvement in this and they said, I want you to cycle walk and kayak 140 miles across four days. And at that point in time, I think the furthest I'd walked was probably like five miles in one hit. They wanted me to walk a marathon. The furthest I'd never kayak since my accident. I never cycled since my accident. So I literally had two things that I'd not done since my accident and walking. I'd done about about 20% of the distance that they basically wanted me to do. So I basically went to my trainer at the time and I said, this is what I've been asked to do. He said, you're mad. How long have you got? I said, they asked me if I'd be ready in three months. And he said, you're absolutely crackers. He said, but if you want to commit to doing this, I'll support you. I'm not going to say, oh, you can't do it, but I do think you're mad. You can do it. You can give it a go, but you're mad. You can give it a go. You're mad for even thinking about it. And of course you said, you'll do it. I said, yes, because it felt like the right opportunity at the right time. I wasn't racing. So I had the mindset and the mental space to be able to really give it my all. So it just felt right. So I went through it and did that challenge. We were able to complete it and it raised just over £3 million for you to make a relief. It was incredible. For me, it was such an eye-opening experience though, to really do something like that for other people, like other people before your own interest. Because before that, I'd bet guess you could say, being an athlete is quite selfish and devoured because you have to be so self-focused on being the best racing driver. And for me to actually do something where I wasn't thinking about myself, it wasn't about me doing this challenge, it was about me doing this challenge for others and the impact that we were going to be able to make. And then to see that it actually paid dividends and to raise all that money, it was just such an eye-opening, awesome experience that I just completely loved. And that was basically where I got hooked into these challenges for other people through Comic Relief and then set about doing my more recent challenge, which I guess had that more sporting element attached to it than the first challenge where I just had to basically survive my way through it. Talk about the recent challenge. What was that like? The most recent challenge, again, it stemmed very quickly, the idea for it came about after my first Comic Relief challenge because my trainer said to me, I've never seen you sort of be the best, a better version of yourself than what you were in the last few months and I tended to agree with him. So he said, we've got to look at you doing something else like this in the future. So I said, maybe you want to go away and come up with a few ideas for what you think I can maybe do and fill your boots but I'm taking a break because I'm absolutely knackered like my body was broken after that first challenge. I need five minutes and a cup of tea, exactly. Yeah, I'm not a space for that. That's a little bit of biscuits. He basically came back like a week later and he'd written down a list of 10 different challenges and I was sort of looking through the challenges. One of them was like, OK, cycle, all the Tour de France like course. Oh my god. And I was like, well, I've only just learned how to cycle and now you want me to cycle all the Tour de France where I was like, OK, so I'm looking through the challenges and then he's got, do the Iron Man World Championships in Hawaii, break the World Record and then there's a question mark at the end of it. So I'm like, what do you mean break World Record, question mark, what do you mean? There's only been a few double amp teas that have attempted and managed to finish the Iron Man World Championships and I think with the right preparation potentially, you could not really finish it and sort of have that sort of achievement. You could go for that one. And I mean, the Iron Man is a, I mean, watch my friend Chris last year in Barcelona do the Iron Man and it is absolutely brutal. And there's unbelievably brutal. It's like, you're pushing your body to the absolute limits, let alone doing it with, you know, for the challenges if you like. Did you go for that because you were tempted for the World Record? Is that what kind of tipty towards that one? Or is it because of kind of an all round? There's lots of disciplines. You've got the swimming, you've got cycling and the running. Yeah. Yeah, so I think at that point, I sort of obviously discovered that I could cycle again, which was good. I was still barely running at that point in time on prosthetics, so the run was definitely the biggest question mark and the thing that could derail the whole thing the quickest. And swimming, I'd done a little bit of swimming after my accident when I couldn't sort of do any sort of weight bearing sort of recovery and cardio. That was kind of something that sort of doctors and physios recommended me doing. So I knew I could swim but I couldn't do front crawl because of my amputations. I found it really hard to do front crawl so I was doing breaststroke, so I was super, super slow. So there was so many question marks and so many reasons not to do it in the first place. But yeah, for me it was, if I decide I just knew that if I was going to do another challenge for comic relief, I wanted it needed to have something different to it. Because I also thought people wouldn't potentially respond as well to it if I was just doing another challenge where it was just about sort of surviving my way through it because I'd done that already. And I don't want to be that guy who's just doing the challenges and potentially taking away opportunities from other people that haven't sort of done that thing before. So it was like, okay, if I do do this again, we need to do something that hopefully still resonates and connects with people. And it needs to feel more tricky and there's more riding on this than the last challenge. And going for that world record, having that sort of sporting element to the ultimate mission which was to raise as much money as possible for comic relief and the people that rely on their resources, that was the main sort of differentiating factor that made me go, right, I'm in. And what does it like doing? And I am a man, I guess, from the kind of, I watch as a spectator what's it like to kind of do it? Yeah, I mean, it's a rollercoaster of a day. I thought it's like watching. Yeah, it's an early early start. And it's a really, really long day at the office basically. I think we were up at half two in the morning finishing my carb load and everything like that. Having like the really early morning breakfast then it was travelling obviously the I'm and my championships in Hawaii. So we were travelling across the island to get to the start location. Then it's about warming up, making sure everything is exactly where it needs to be in the transition zones. And quite quickly it was 6.30 in the morning and it was time to start and the atmosphere was incredible. They do like a speech don't they? They do like a rallying kind of speech to get everyone going. Yeah, they do and the wind. Yeah, and we're in Hawaii. So you had all the sort of locals banging the drums, the noise, the atmosphere was really remarkable. I think with the Iman stuff what I really appreciated and loved the most is that everyone's there competing, they think it'll be wrong, but everyone's there. They've all got their own stories of why they're there doing this. And like you know they've all got, we're all racing each other but equally we're racing ourselves. It's like us against you against you sort of thing. And for me I really like loved the fact that everyone on that start line had shown so much resilience just to even make it there. But you just felt really truly inspired being in that environment. What's it like crossing the line? To be honest it was like you try and think about what it's going to be like crossing the finish line. Especially when you're out there I was out there for 14.5 hours. So I'm out there and I'm thinking okay. That's pretty, you know that's shifting you know. That's pretty good going 14.5. Yeah, it's not too bad. Yeah, considering we're in Hawaii as well. So it's nearly 40 degrees about I think it was about 75% of humidity out there. So it was basically like doing it in a sauna or almost it felt like it. So I'd done three half-Iman so even qualified for the time and well champs. And yeah those were like my train was like I probably be like you know just imagine it would be double as hard sort of thing as doing these half-Iman. It was more than twice as hard. I don't know how it would be doing double the distance. It doesn't make it double as hard. It was like a completely different ball game to the half-Iman's. But yeah I just absolutely loved it. And crossing the finish line the big thing for me. It was just that big walkway so many cheers of support of strangers that had never met me. And then it was seeing my friends, my family and my trainers and coaches. Basically everyone that had sort of been with me on this year-long journey to prepare for the Iman World Champs and knowing that hopefully me crossing that finish line meant that we were going to have some real impact and raise a lot of money for Comet relief. Like those emotions of all the extra hours, all the hard work that had gone in across a year, all the times where I'd sort of you know turn things down to make sure that I was being committed and doing everything I needed to do in terms of a training aspect. It's like to see it all pay off. Yeah that was so special. So what's your total money that you've raised now for charity? Across the two challenges now it's just under £5m that we've raised for Comet relief so honestly. Do you accept the inspiration from me or it may have raised like, do you need to raise more money before you're like fair enough I've done pretty good? No no no I think it's honest if no one ever sort of if I did any more challenges and no one ever gave me one more pound like I would still be very happy. I think to be honest my goal with the challenges was to try and get near raising the same amount of money that was raised for me after my accident. So it's sort of that feeling of paying it forward of like you know you're passing it on. Yeah almost passing it on okay you've raised this money for me like when I needed it most and now I've given that same amount of money or more across to it. So I have a people to hopefully you know pay that forward so that was that was the goal so yeah we've done way more than five six times what was raised for me so yeah I can only be grateful for it. It's phenomenal. One question I actually had like a practical level of doing eye man. I mean one of the things that I didn't really appreciate until it's my friend and Christa and he the night before we were looking through all this stuff. And one of the things that I was like really shocked by was the kind of nutrition side and having to sort the food out. What I hadn't really appreciated I mean I've done a marathon which is not the same as that but even in a marathon you go think a bit about food and by the end of it your stomach it doesn't want what you're putting in. So like how did you manage the kind of nutrition side because I think like even if I survived the rest of it I think I'd really struggle because I just feel sick when you try and have these gels and stuff. And when you're 14 hours you have to fuel that you know that's right. So how did you manage that was that? Did you kind of tolerate the kind of gels and things are right? It's honest it's like a lot of things it's just practice so as much as training is different to the race day. I'm not out there when I'm training for 14 hours straight. If I would go for a long run for two to half hours I would take the same sort of fueling strategy and gels in that I was planning on doing on the race. And slowly but surely your body does adapt to that feeling of you know taking the gels but at first when I was taking them I had the same feeling. If you're sick. Yeah I remember my first half Ironman and doing that and taking the gels down on the run and basically getting to a point where I couldn't stomach any of the gels or anything like that. So I kind of you know don't get me wrong on the Ironman as well I had to switch it up a little bit. So we had Plan A which was basically to take the gels and did you have sweets as well? Yeah so I had a mixture between chews which I guess Turkish delight sort of like texture looking things and then the actual gels themselves. So I had a mixture of those on the bike which was quite nice to break it up rather than it all sort of being in a gel form. The hard thing on the bike to be honest with the nutrition was the fact of how warm it was. So for me and my trainers we basically froze my bottles overnight in the freezer because you have to put them at different parts of the course. So basically by the time I had done the first three and a half hours of the bike to the point where I could pick up my second lot of nutrition my bottom it had melted but it was still cold. By the time I had done an extra hour of it on the bike it was warm so you've not only got gels but then starting to get like warm and gloopy. Yeah it was tricky by the end I was sort of basically I think the kind of the last few miles of fueling strategy basically went out the window and I was like pouring water I saved my head at every age station I was just necking coke, flat coke which is on the side of the course because that's like another just way of getting sugar and carbs in. So I was just basically doing a bit of everything in the last few miles just to get through. Which was your favourite discipline? What's the order if you choose if you actually order the most to swim bike round? For me are you talking in general? I guess you're favouring that. In general. What's your favourite? For me cycling is first because speed I like covering the amount of distance you can cover on the bike. You like hitting the apexes don't you? You like hitting the apexes and also you can see a lot more like where I am like if I go out for a run I'm normally running around the same loop. It doesn't get that visually exciting where you go out for a long two-three hour bike ride you're covering 50-60 miles. You can really get out there and see a lot and I quite enjoyed that in terms of being as part of my training being outside quite a lot. I quite got a lot of enjoyment and I felt a lot better than being sort of down here on a lot of my training was stuck on the indoor bike or something like that. But yeah mixing it up and getting out of the bike that's probably number one for me. Swimming and bike and running for which one is two. Is the one you enjoy the most at least enjoy? So I think when things are going well I definitely enjoy the run more than swim but I think in terms of the physical discomfort of running on prosthetics it does batter your body up. So it's kind of that during the moment I probably prefer running to swimming because it's a bit more exciting but then the aftermath after I've done a big run session of the wear and tear of my body from running on prosthetics. What is the kind of after? Is it sort of your back or like you run differently right? So where does it kind of pressurum versus running previous set? Yeah I think probably my surgeon who did my surgery is after Max and he came and watched me at my first half-time man and he watched me in Hawaii at the Ironman World Championships. They're basically part of our family now my surgeon and his wife and they come and support me at all of the stuff I do. That's sort of a special relationship. But he watched me at the first half-time man and obviously I'm only doing half a marathon in that race and he watched me do a coach. And he said your running form has completely changed in the space of eight months. I was like yeah I think it's boosted my core and my lower back have got so much stronger. I used to run with quite an arch back and it would put a lot of strain on my lower back. But just over time of just you know doing that hours and hours of training that definitely changed for me. So from a load perspective I used to get lower back issues when I first started but now I'm in a pretty good spot. The main thing is actually just within the actual sockets themselves, the wear and tear that goes on to your body. Because the way my trainer described it to me and I think it's the best way I've heard it described is when you think about running people get like you know, soles on their feet but your feet the skin on your feet is hard. So it's meant to deal with that wear and tear. So you don't get blisters and stuff like that all the time. Where for me having my legs amptated where they are, I don't have that hard skin. So effectively I sort of accumulate sweat within my sockets the more I'm sort of out there competing. So your skin gets soft so it's so easy to get cuts and soles and blisters. So it's that sort of wear and tear really that can be true. So you have to kind of manage your training as well as how much your body can take. It's not just got a train train train you have to think about a balance of like training but also the wear and tear. Yeah it's the structure of how you train so if I went for a swim normally obviously you obviously get wet when you're swimming in the water. So then I wouldn't go straight for a long run after that. I'd let my you know legs and skin dry out properly afterwards so that when I went for a run my skin wasn't already soft and supple so it wouldn't break down as easy. So it's actually like thinking about when I train and what I do when and yeah just managing that. And the biggest issues I had with my training and things that sort of were halting my progress along the way was from stump health. It was from stump health deteriorating to a point where I had to take I think I came back from a trip with F1 to Japan. I took my bike away with me, took my running blades away with me, found a swimming pool in Japan and had all those sort of conversations with the sort of leisure centre. I guess you could say about the fact that I know I've got no legs but I can swim and you don't have to worry about me this and the other. And yeah so that was definitely challenging itself like logistically but that's just part of the world that I'm in and sort of the job that I do. But yeah it was when I came back from that Japan trip having then basically done all that training got on a long flight coming back home. I basically got an issue with my stump which meant that I could barely put my prosthetics on for about eight days. So I'd say eight over a week off training which was obviously not ideal but the stump health for me and managing that across the year was definitely the biggest factor of why I think it went to planning the end. Final question just about I guess practically with a bicycle. How is a road bike adapted for you? What kind of how does that work mechanically? So the gang on and off the bike is the hardest thing for me is a WMT. My right leg I still have my knee so what that gives me the ability to do is to still sort of twist out of a pedal like a cleat that most people can click in and click out. My right leg basically became my strong leg so I would when I'm starting pedaling that would be the one to get me up and running and when I'm stopping I would unclip that side and then put that side down. So I had to have my left leg I don't have the ability because I don't have my knee to twisting that sort of rotate my foot to get in and out of a pedal. So we had to come up with a different system and we looked online and found there was like these magnetic cleats. So you had a magnet that we put on the bottom of my prosthetic leg and then a magnet that sits within the pedal itself and effectively I would move my leg and then it would click onto the magnet and it was strong enough to keep my leg on whilst pedaling. So when I'd come to stop and put my right leg down if I'd pulled up hard enough I could get it off of the pedal. So shows amazing how humans are problem solving and it's just a fine problem. If there's a problem it's always the solution I think it's just incredible, unbelievable. But given all of that and all the extra challenges I guess that you face it's just amazing that you did that really. You must be really chuffed for that. Yeah I was so cool to have that. I was really chuffed because to be honest as well people obviously asked me the question about like "Oh if you could go back would you not have your accident and stuff like that?" And for as much as there's a lot of reasons why life would be easier without my accent having happened to me. Equally the opportunities and the experiences that I've had and the things that I've done I would have probably never done an I am an I would have done gone for a world record and that sort of sense if it wasn't for the fact that I ended up in this situation as a result of my accident. It really has opened up my life given me a different perspective and it's made me more adaptable to those challenges. I like being sort of the guy that's a problem solver and having people around me that are basically up for my crazy ideas and I know they're to sort of figure those problems out with me. It's incredible, absolutely incredible. Guys we'll come to the end of part two there. In part three we're going to talk about kind of the next stage of your athletic journey and that your plans, how far you want to take this which I think is awesome. See you all very soon in part three. Goodbye. [Music]