Mocking the Draft Lottery, With Tate Frazier! | Group Chat

hello and welcome to group chat i am justin verrier and joining me as always j kyle man but special guest the bill rafferty of the ringer tate frazier what's up tate i appreciate that intro i wish i had raff's sayings and uh you know little quips for you guys i'll do my best to try to get it going but happy to talk about college basketball players at any point um so this is the time to do that so i'm excited to break down all these guys and uh great to be on with you the pod starts i figured we would assemble three college blue bloods here right i mean kyle is kentucky still considered one it's been a while for you guys that's it you just say goodbye he's out but i know at the very least i know tate and i you know more recently have have been champions so you can you can kind of waft off of that it's okay this episode is brought to you by sony pictures classics a perfect crime film says the daily beast john taturo gives a career best performance don't miss the acclaimed new thriller 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to basically sit back play moderator and just like wait for guys to go up on like how proud their parents are um but just in general about this college season or even like as we transition to the draft is there anything like you think differently than consensus about this are you like top four guys and then everybody else is there a guy that like you like more than others like give us like your big picture look on things yeah i do think it is a big four the four horsemen and i think everybody kind of has their own flavor of the day when it comes to which guys they like the most and uh it does seem to be like a shuffling of the deck for each one of these teams trying to figure out which one of the four they really like and i think it's going to be like and uh cowman and i were texting this morning just kind of about the personalities of the top three guys in particular a little bit more brooding a little bit more isolated not necessarily the cheerleaders and then you have caleb wilson who seems to be a guy who is the ultimate cheerleader so it's fascinating the personality styles that we have with these top four guys and then as far as like a hot take that i have i think i have a number five guy that i feel pretty good about at number five and it's michael brown jr i have kind of worked through all of the guards and i still keep coming back to the big guard himself and uh so i feel pretty assured in the fact that i think he's the number five guy on the board but i've obviously seen a lot of different people kind of you know swap in different guys at number five but for me it's michael brown jr you know i've gotten to the point justin where i've heard you talk enough this is my first point i'm gonna make is you love the word deus there's something about that word that i think you just like it what am i supposed to say yeah i have much more gravitas than you is what's going on here he loves an opportunity to say deus but yeah i was going to jump in and i'm going to jump in and i'm going to jump off of uh tate's point there is where yeah caleb is like very much the and i i i think i didn't have this this epiphany until this morning tape for some reason where i was like damn like all three of them are quiet because and peterson's gotten the most shit for it i think because he's just kind of like you know i do my own thing i keep to myself but i keep hearing that aj and if you look at aj he's just got those like intense eyes and boozer has some of that going on too they're all i'm not saying that they're not effective leaders but they're all quiet leaders at and i think that's an interesting thing and then caleb as the fourth guy is very much the a lot smilier you know i think his like charisma with the mic was probably the best right of the likes of the the commissioned reporters that they had at the finals yeah i mean there's been a lot of people talking about his interviews too like everyone's just like man once you get this kid in the room and you talk to him i mean he just kind of passes all the tests as far as like personality wise and uh you can lead by example we've seen it plenty of times in the nba i think it almost gets a bad rap when you're kind of more of a quiet reserve guy i almost have to give peterson credit for admitting that fact and just being like i'm a loner um he's pretty much the only one that's leaned into that so i think like you said everyone's a little bit harsh on peterson but caleb is uh totally like gonna buy into whatever city he goes to and i think that's a an encouraging sign for whoever gets him uh you know most likely at number four so face of the franchise for the bulls like do you think he could immediately leave josh giddy considering his like great pr right now i think so you know you know what i mean i think buzellis and caleb maybe as a little combination there that could be a lot of fun um and then tiago splitter i mean i just think you know hearing his press conference and kind of how he wants to formulate his team and kind of fit the personalities of his team i think that'd be a really good fit for caleb so we'll talk about it obviously as we go through the draft but i i think um you know as far as who he is as a person it's easy to fall in love with caleb and i think the other guys it might be a little bit of a longer um sort of lull into the relationship but again i think they're all special in their own way and i'm excited to see excited to talk about them all yeah unfortunately tiago just wanted to make just the average salary as an nba head coach i'll no longer be seeing him all right uh why don't we take a quick break first uh and then we come back we'll get into these mock picks this episode of the ringer nba show is presented by ferrero the world is watching go all in for your team this summer with ferrero enter for the chance to win a range of prizes just by purchasing your favorite treats like kinder bueno with an irresistible chocolate wafer and creamy 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heard that news but i think it was obviously aj and darren peterson as far as the fit for darren peterson he's like well they do need a lead guard i am a lead guard and i'm uh you know by all accounts he was going to be the number one pick before we had the very strange year kansas we don't have to get through uh the minutiae of that there's also been some questions about the creatine he had cramps in high school as well which has kind of come back to the surface so there's been a conversation about him but i do think that aj is the safest play i kind of go back to the banal you know kind of take with the number one pick it's like who expects to be the number one pick who wants to be the number one pick aj obviously wants to be the number one pick but i think he's going to be the number one pick it seems like he's put himself out there he's very very forward facing with his situation and he is a hub i mean he is a guy who can be a franchise guy for you someone you can believe in someone you can buy in and i think that he kind of checks all the boxes six nine two ten you know obviously 26 points per game in college you know the rebounding was great about seven rebounds per game played about 35 minutes a game in a 40 minute game he can obviously give you um you know the the energy that you need to be that next level player and this is a guy that can sell tickets for you so if you're the wizards i think don't overthink it i know peterson is right there and you can talk yourself into it but i think aj de bonza goes number one yeah the wizards in an interesting spot where they can you know they they you could look at it in a couple of different ways you could look at it as you know in a vacuum this is an interesting young core if you just go with the guys that they've accumulated over the past few years with the shitty lottery luck that they've gotten i know people are kind of down and you know i know you and i and rob talked about this on group chat in the in the fall we were like there's something happening here um you know as the season wore on it was like oh my my god the the nausea of how bad it got at times but i i'm not totally distracted from the fact that you know sar i think has proven that he's you know for the questions about his physicality and things like that he looks like an nba like a rim protector he looks athletic um trey johnson was up and down started the season hot but got cold will riley looks like he's going to out perform his draft spot i just think they have a lot of interesting guys and if you throw devonta in there um i think he's going to sort of take a lot of those orbiting pieces and give them you know more efficient purpose um but then if you you they're in the interesting position where they can audition these two distressed superstars who i think if you look at them on paper as a team um i was asking you know our group chat with with bill and house this morning like does ad ever play for them i think if he ever did i think on paper this is kind of an interesting basketball team uh in the short term so even even for a season um aj would slot in there and it automatically is kind of a balanced team even though it's kind of sight unseen at this point yeah it's interesting because well for one it does feel like players in recent drafts have been trying to force their way to the wizards like we had ace bailey before that we had sar in the draft before that this year is a little bit different because they have the first pick but like watching peterson i'm like is there just something about dc that i don't know about i guess it is ultimately the opportunity because like it is a more metropolitan city than for instance like utah or some of these like really small markets and so i get it from that thing or from that perspective but also just like it seems like they needed a star player in order to drive a lot of those role players that kyle was talking about we'll see about sard the injury kind of worries me going into next season we'll see if he's healthy to start the season let alone throughout it um but like just having these two veterans there is something that's really confusing to me because not only with the wizards but you also have the jazz and some of these other bad teams that pacers don't even have a top five pick because they went out and got veterans at the trade deadline does the trey young situation or the ad situation change anything about how you're approaching this just because like these guys at the top are supposed to be like a hair margin like difference like peterson boozer uh and the bonds are supposed to be all kind of on the same tier does like fit actually matter to you with the wizards are you just going best player no matter what i'm going best player and i think that he does fit in with the young core when you talk about trey johnson he has a relationship with will reilly already talked about him kishon george i think that he's a solid piece for them as well bub carrington i've always been a fan of i know bub has had some up and downs but i think he's still a solid piece for them and i think in general for dc i wouldn't focus too much on trey young anthony davis i think that those things will be figured out i suspect and kyle was kind of alluding to that that anthony davis probably won't be on the wizards i think that he will move on and i don't know what that looks like or how that looks and trey young i kind of feel the same way and i think aj would actually be better if they cleared the decks of the veteran guys and kind of let him be the sun on that team i don't think that's going to be a big problem i think that's going to be a big problem i think that's going to be a big problem kind of let him be the sun on that team and let everybody else orbit around him especially with that young core so i feel like to me that is the play for dc and i think that's what they end up doing a lot of ball handling size on this team if the wizards yeah they're a big team aj if you think about aj can i mean we saw when richie saunders went down for byu aj's usage i think it went up north of 30 percent for for that part of the season then you think about kishon george who's run some one you think about will riley can really handle the ball bub's not you think about kishon george who's run some one you think about will riley can really handle the tiny you know he's that's one of the interesting wrinkles about that team is the ball handling size for me but i i think best player available is the way to go just because you can't get this far with with what they've given up to get here and then and then think about fit like they had all these stabs trying to get it to the number one pick and and didn't quite get there if they were to think about fit right now and and not just take best player available i think that would be a catastrophe so i think if if in tate's mind as the wizards a jada bonds i think that's the way to go well i think that's a particularly interesting question going into number two now because obviously not only does aj have the background with utah maybe they'd be interested in him but now we're starting to see like dribbles of information or rumors are just complete bullshit at this point in the draft cycle uh that like maybe danny ange might go off the reservoir go cambooser at two uh darren peterson obviously another wild card there maybe he slides down to even beyond that even beyond three uh i'm curious kyle because you just put out a new draft board on the ringer.com you have cambooser as your top pick would you be as bold as the utah jazz to jump darren peterson and take cambooser at two um i don't think you can lose i think is kind of where i'm sitting with this and they've demonstrated that they have the stomach to take guys who have um their details that can be left out i think but people can go research that for themselves but they've taken players players who have sort of circles around them that have questionable you know operating history i think and and everybody that has kind of followed the peterson thing um that's the vibe that i have gotten is if as you start to kind of go through the receipts like a uh like an auditor it's like where exactly did this go wrong i know tate has probably spent a lot of time trying to figure this out too um the thing that i keep hearing for people is just like the communication between the school and the camp was just there was a disconnect you know whether who was right or wrong um but it seems like coming from the camp that was that was the issue so the angels um i say all that to say that i i think if any team was going to have the stomach to kind of just say we'll take the dude and we'll figure that out it's the pedigree of a danny ange who has seen a million of these situations and probably has a method of going through and doing that darren peterson fits like a puzzle piece into what the jazz currently have going on here i know that they have said you know um chianti they said that they're not going to extend him this year they're going to wait and see if he can uh at least that's what that's the messaging that's getting put out chianti george who had a good year after having two bad years um maybe that could be a sign that they're they're saying you know we're open to bringing in a darren peterson you could read it that way but if i look at uh if i look at the jazz i think cam boozer could slot in and make you huge with a really high level skill set if you wanted to look at it like okay we have mark and we have boozer and we have jaron jackson jr to me that's the pick that i'm gonna make if i'm the jazz so that's who i'm selecting um i just think that that combo of jaron jackson jr and cam boozer is really really interesting because you have a lot you have shooting you have play making um you can really guard a lot of different types of teams really physical um that's that's the that's the way that i would go so we're pairing cam and jaron jackson jr and we're just going to play five centers all the time we're basically going to be that ember nuggets uh graphic where it's like bowl and yokich and the bubble team where they just did that basically yeah i mean i i think marketing still has a great market i mean i think that you're going to be able to get something good uh he's not distressed i think his value is still really high nothing is really done nothing's really taking the air out of that in my opinion so you might be able to go and really take take a stab at answering some more of your backcourt questions uh and it doesn't mean that kiante's gone it's just um yeah i don't know i don't know i think that that boozer in utah makes a whole lot of sense because he has personal experience that's another thing you're thinking about with utah is you know he has personal experience with utah and he might hang around you know since his dad is there or maybe he wants to get away from his dad i don't know but do you have thoughts on that yeah i do think it's fascinating with carlos being involved and i think that obviously there's a lot of familiarity between the boozer family and the utah jazz also like the kevin love comp that i've seen thrown out a lot with uh cam boozer i think that you know going to utah maybe that helps with uh that comp for a lot of people but i think people um i also think just in general i mean cam boozer's passing ability i know he's a big but i just think being able to create is maybe a little bit underrated at this point there were times during the season with duke where they didn't have a true point guard and caden boozer was still kind of getting his feet underneath him and they just said hey cam you take the ball late in the game and you handle business for us and i do think that at times he can kind of be that player for them as well the kessler thing is strange i know he's asking for a lot of money so the front was kind of thought so i think that this is almost a safe pick for utah and as far as the long you know kind of game for what utah wants i think that cam boozer fits and checks a lot of boxes and i wouldn't be shocked if the angels had boozer at number one on their board and for them this might be them in their mind getting the number one pick so i i just think that that's the reason why it makes a lot of sense to me i think cam boozer is a low maintenance star that you bring in there and i think that fits really well in utah and i've heard a lot of the talk about like keontae george and wasserman slash the team and kind of you know they don't want to step on his toes and the darren peterson would make that an issue i don't buy that as much i feel like that's agent propaganda that's been put out to the people but i don't think that really matters here and i think cam boozer at number two makes a lot of sense i think he'd make boozer would make keontae's life a little bit better because a lot of the questions about keontae are like is this guy ever going to be a true offensive engine those were the pressures and burdens put on him you know the efficiency shooting getting up the ball having a playmaker like boozer i think would make keontae's life maybe have him settle into a role that's not going to be a role that's not going to be a role that's not going to be a role more natural for him this is kind of shaping up to be the ultimate test of like fit versus talent here because you have a team like utah going out and getting jaron jackson basically just to sit him to do that in advance of the offseason so you could get the business done early and i have to wonder like do the jazz all of a sudden start to regret that i know they don't know that they were going to leap up into the top of the draft and obviously they hadn't had a lot of luck before that but now they're in a situation where like if they wanted to go cam then things get super confusing it's funny kyle but the way you kind of laid it out where it's like you could just fucking trade laurie market it is true like you don't have to keep all the players there this doesn't have to be a problem for as long as you wanted to but having said that like all of a sudden your leverage on all this situation just craters right like and i guess the question is like from there for you kyle like is it laurie that doesn't fit at that point would you be thinking if you have cam and you're just like best player i'm gonna i'm just build my team around him and shift things from there is it laurie that doesn't fit at that point would you be thinking if you have cam and laurie that doesn't fit is it kessler ultimately is it jaron like who's the guy that is the odd man out it's tough because i think once if you assume they're going to take boozer boozer can take guys off the dribble a little bit can kind of straight line go to the basket jaron can do that too you just you don't want to stack too many sort of uh hats on hats with these guys who can't get to the off the dribble because i don't have any doubt about the spacing between like boozer and mark and and Jackson even together, but that's kind of a stagnant super downhill idea because especially if you have ace bailey and you believe in him he's not like a super downhill guy either so i would imagine you could go four or five with boozer and jackson have ace at the at the three and then i think you would have you would need to have some kind of drink stirring guys who could create off the bounce at the one and the two you know um they have some options there but i think um lowry would be the guy that that would come to mind for me just because you love his shooting but he's still so valuable just kind of circling back to that point about and you know maybe you're right maybe teams will see that and be like we know you want to get rid of him um they i'm sure they could figure out a way to play this because they're a bunch of contenders that would probably enjoy having lowry so i think you could get some assets for him um that's just the direction that i would go but in terms of the ball i think the ball handling is kind of the key kind of stressing variable there that would make me this episode is brought to you by major league baseball there is nowhere left to go two teams one championship watch the world series yeah the world series presented by capital one on fox and fox one no time like october visit mlb.com slash postseason to learn more tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store prices beef jerky microwave meals laundry pods even they can't screw up have you met my kids and with bj's gas she gets there for less they call me the road warrior this is your home road warrior mom home of the save you just twenty dollars at bj's dot com slash mesquite and save ten cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save that would make me that would drive whatever choice i make imagine if you're lowry and you spent three years just throwing away like the prime of your career and then they fucking trade you it's absolutely brutal but i guess like if anyone's gonna do it's gonna be the ages um all right memphis at three tate is this an easy choice for you like is this clear cut it's tough because you know obviously to me i mean darren peterson at number three makes a lot of sense and i think you know looking at that team i think cedric coward is the perfect kind of guy that you can pair with his personality next to a darren peterson because cedric is a guy who can be more forward-facing he is a gregarious guy very affable guy so i think that it kind of works as far as that i like jaylen wells a lot as a piece then obviously you have a distressed asset with john moran and there's a lot of people that are going to have a distressed asset with john moran and there's a lot of people that are going to have a distressed asset with john moran and they're going to probably shop him around i would assume and if you bring darren peterson in i think that's a perfect situation where hey thanks a lot joe we appreciate your time here but we're moving on to our next guard here in darren peterson and i think the fact that darren can play a true point guard role at least we suspect and also can play off the ball as he showed at kansas i think that also is a very intriguing thing for them i know that there's a lot of conversation about peterson not willing to work out for anybody but the wizards i don't read too much into that i think memphis is kind of understood the cold shoulder that they're willing to get especially when it comes to agents and their players and what they want and a big market seems to be always to sell but i do think that if i'm here at number three you got those two guys off the board i think you're licking your chops a little bit i know boozer would be great in memphis i think personality wise he and coward would be great together but i think that darren peterson is just too tantalizing so at number three give me darren peterson and let him pop there in memphis and i think that he could end up being a star i was i thought you were gonna butt that right there i was waiting for the like yeah caleb wilson i thought for sure he's he's he's keeping us on our toes it's funny how like there are some markets i was thinking about this the other day that are they're not gonna be like on the apps you know they're not gonna be getting dates just off the off the first glance on the apps of just like you know they're gonna you know whatever but yeah keep going and then uh and then they're all swiping left originally yeah right right see i've this is i missed the entire app all that stuff so i didn't even know what the i like correctly addressed the reference but anyway um yeah and then then they're the teams that are like like memphis and utah like they're like we know you keep hearing about this they're like we're used to all this like nonsense of the bullshit of uh of you know we won't work out you don't initially want to go here they're more the teams that are like we go to church they know like we go to church together you're gonna kind of see me and we'll win you over i feel like that's kind of the analog it's like la and the big markets they're like we know we're we're gonna get we're gonna win we're gonna win we're gonna win we're gonna win we're gonna win we're gonna win we're gonna win yeah yeah totally totally uh what i read from the peterson thing from afar was that he knew he wasn't going number two and that he was just breaking up to continue this tortured metaphor a little bit farther than anyone i imagine i could uh torture come on well it was good when you did it it was torture when i got it back uh when he just knows he's not going to utah that cam stuff is real he's just wanted to get ahead of that in order to save face does that like is that at all the possibility kyle uh it's possible um it's it's hard to know what's going on with that camp to be honest with you man i mean he might just want to go number one and i tell you the other the other thing that you were talking about that i think is interesting is like as much as i really really enjoyed and one of my favorite things about peterson this past year was him going on and off ball a lot like i'm not convinced that he is excited about that like i kind of feel like peterson is just like i'm hardened i'm a system like that's i kind of wonder if that's how he is uh because i think the strongest thing about him is his that he can go on and off ball like that i also just think in the west as we saw with the spurs like having multiple guards and versatile guards i think you're gonna have to have a plethora to really make sense and i think for him it's like i can shoulder some of you for a little while let him do what he needs to do i can take it back in the crunch time moments you know what i mean so i think there's a sell there to darren peterson that maybe he buys into where it's like we're not gonna put all this on your plate from the start and then when you have shooters like a jaylen wells around you and some of these other pieces that memphis has been able to acquire yeah cam spencer like they just have one the grizzlies have just done a great job drafting in general like if you go back through their draft history i mean it's just hit after hit after hit so i mean they've been able to figure it out and i just think that once they get them in the building they can sell their draft history and they can sell their draft history i think memphis the city will really galvanize around a guy like darren peterson and maybe if he feels that love and feels like hey i'm the franchise guy everybody knows me everybody loves me we see like a better version of him because at kansas it felt like at times he was almost antagonistic towards like the fans because they expected so much from him he had the you know interesting issues you know not playing in games they kind of all turned and started to love melvin council who was his backcourt partner instead of him it just got into a weird awkward situation i don't think that cedric coward has the personality to want to take away i think they're all going to try to get him to to invest and involve himself and i think that's going to be a win for him in the end but i'm with you i think that he's got to be on ball originally just to keep him engaged and then from there it's like hey that's a lot to put on your plate let's help you out a little bit cedric you take over let's pass the baton and i think uh this is a tough team so i think that you know darren peterson eventually buys in yeah that seems like the perfect context for someone who presumably just wants to run his own team because there are very few people who are going to be able to run his own team because there are very few options where like a team is just waiting for their next star if anything everyone has someone or they already have that one growing in house and so other than maybe like the nets or the kings who aren't going to be in this area and so like to get into memphis feels like even though perhaps like won't be the best market i don't know if he'll be in love with like the hotel selection there uh but living there he won't have to worry about it but it does feel like he could be the engine for what's next there because you're right they do have such a good job mining guys from the middle of the draft the back end of the first round they'll be able to support it but what they need is a new focal point regardless of what's going to happen to jai if anything jai is just there until he's not he's just a way station until we get to what's next and peters can could very much be that guy yeah the cryptic jaw tweet after they draft peterson would be what i was interested in you know like that's what i'd be watching out for like the uh thinking face or whatever it is you know that would be great it's kind of interesting that to think about if if somehow this just like really reset the jaw situation and we could get john peterson together like that would be pretty and then you put cedric at the three and then i don't know but but if i'm memphis i i would be going in this with a little bit of trepidation because you come out of this area where your superstar basically just kind of like lights fire to the whole situation and you're like all righty here we go let's jump out of that right back into another like you know darren may acquit himself of that stuff immediately it's hard to say it's you know that's that and that's been the the crux of all the debate about it is like you know how how much of this is a bug and how much of this is a feature with peterson like what went on at kansas and i think if you're picking him um there's some worry about that and if it were memphis yeah i would i would be going into that being like did we just sign up for another troublesome superstar um but the talent is so immense man i've said i've said it repeatedly he's the most offensively talented player in this draft um but that alone isn't enough to take you number one or bet on you all right number four chicago bulls kyle i think you're up i am um you know i'm gonna take caleb wilson here shocker shocker shocker um wilson the the bulls are basically a formless void at this point to me um i don't really even know for sure what's nailed down is a really interesting conversation with them um you got a new you know you got a new philosophy coming in we used to be able to kind of predict what they were going to do because because of what archeros is draft history uh bryson graham comes in and um it's hard to know which direction he's going to go at this team i mean giddy might stay he might go um It seems to me like Buzellas is the guy who has the most kind of flexibility positionally and what direction he could go play style-wise. I think you pair Buzellas and Caleb Wilson just as a starting point together. Spatially, I think giddy Buzellas and Wilson is a little troublesome, but I think Buzellas and Wilson is a really, really fun wing pairing. And then the Bulls have another pick in this draft, too. They could pick something that really complements those two guys. So I like this pick. I think Chicago would love Caleb Wilson. What do you think, Tate? Yeah, I think it's just, this is a no-brainer for Chicago. You just get to sit there and watch the other three teams kind of battle it out and kind of try to figure out where they want to go with this. And then you sit there and you say, okay, we'll take Caleb. Or they could take Darren Peterson. Let's say that Memphis decides to go for Caleb. Like, whoever's there at number four, I think they feel good. They also don't have to really do anything. They just need to sit there and wait it out. And I know there's been a lot of conversation about kind of Caleb's three-point shooting. And I think he's going to win. He finished at like 26% on a very low volume there. But as far as like the mechanics of it all, like it isn't broken. And if you watch him in the mid-range, like the touch, the feel, I think it's all there. I think it will eventually get to a place where it does translate. So I'm not too concerned about that. And as far as like the flashes and the instincts, they're all there with who Caleb Wilson is. And I just think there's a lot of two-way upside for him. I think defensively he's going to buy in. I think he's going to take a lot of onus on that side of the ball, especially early in his career because he understands if he played, defense, you're going to get on the court. So I just think for Caleb, and then as far as like the personality, like this guy is going to lean all the way into Chicago. He's going to be everywhere. He's going to be eating Chicago dogs. He'll be at White Sox games. Like he's just going to be a man of the people and completely get Bulls fans excited about the future. And I think that's just Chicago fans have just been waiting for something positive to believe in. And I think Caleb Wilson gives them something to believe in. So I think it's an easy pick at number four for them. And I'm excited to see what it looks like. So I know things didn't go great for our guy, Chris, but the one thing that I always kind of saw in the midst of all the shit that was happening there was that like his like basic theory, I thought rang true, which is like he wanted guys with a size who could dribble past shoot, right? You wanted athletes, you wanted multiple ball handlers. It worked well from the start with Lonzo and Alex Caruso, basically ripping and running and like kind of opening things out from there. Obviously things did not go well practically since that first season, but like at the very least, there's still the guts of that identity. I think they were kind of trying to like, like re jigger, like where they were in order to like lean more toward guys that they were getting in the draft. And I think one good thing about putting Tiago in there, it's really seems like he spiritually wants to carry on that. Like his offense, especially the one that he ran in France before he got to the Portland was very much like no little roach style where you're moving, moving and a lot of like the no screen stuff and a lot of guys that would thrive in that environment. And so I do feel like Kyle, like Bezel is Caleb, even giddy for now, even if he isn't, a long-term guy, these are guys that kind of fit that sort of identity. Yeah. It's, it's that bull, that little hiccup where we had DeRozan and, and, and Caruso and Lonzo. That was a fun, I feel like it was just like three months, right? Where they were, where they were like the number one team in the East or the NBA over like the first two months. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like a bunch of handlers out there. I mean, if we're, if we're being like literal and we're talking about them doing the, it's so funny that the like Noah LaRoche thing became like a, a standard household term in basketball. People may have no idea what the hell we're talking about. It's just like a, it's an interesting, it's a style of like spacing and, and, and cutting after a ball handler drives for people who don't know. There's a lot of good YouTube videos about it out there, but I mean, I mean, that's going to stress, that's going to stress Caleb's things that he needs to work on in the short term, I think. And that's one of the big questions I've heard from other scouts is like the driving kick stuff is like, can he grow in that way? Which may, if they do end up playing with a bigger ball handler thing, that might suggest that Caleb plays like four and five most of the time, like dunker spot, catching lobs types of stuff. Yeah. Speaking to just the skills and things like that. I agree with Tate. Like, I think the shot's going to be there. You know, he shot like 71% from the line. Like the touch is good. Anytime he got to his spots, it looked nice. So I think he's probably going to be like a stationary shooter from three, but I think he's going to get there. And the defensive upside is just off the charts. He has so much stuff. He, his defensive impact for what it was considering, how loose his technique is, was pretty crazy. And if you just think about if he tightened some of that stuff up, he could be come one of the best defensive players in the league. All right. Before we get to the rest of the draft, why don't we take a quick break, come back, do that. The ringer NBA show is brought to you by FanDuel. 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I tease this at the top. I just think that he's the most electric guard on the board. I like his size. I do think that a lot of people, yeah, Mike L. Brown Jr. Is the pick. I won't, you know, sugarcoat it anymore here. I know that a lot of people talked about his three point shooting. It's like 35% for the season, but he takes a lot of threes, which means, he has a lot of confidence and I really liked the shot. I think he has a really nice shot. I think the volume is there because he believes in his shot. I think he has good vision. I think he's big. I think he's a really good passer. I know there's the back issues that a lot of people have talked about. The medicals have come back pretty clean. There was some weird stuff. He's kind of like the, the light Darren Peterson situation in college this year, where he didn't get the same kind of fanfare about it, but there were some weird things that were happening at Louisville and some issues, you know, with his playing time and things like that. But man, when he does play, he's got a lot of firepower. I think that, you know, the Clippers here are just trying to find someone that can play next to a Garland who could fit in with the Kawhi Leonard. When I talked to him last spring, I asked him like, who's the best player in the draft, right? And I, you know, I kind of gave him the three guys to choose from at the time, which was Boozer, AJ and Darren Peterson. And he said me, which I thought was a great answer. And I just kind of like laughed at it and I was like, okay, you know, Michael Brown definitely believes in himself. So I just think he's got a lot of, a lot of energy. I think he's got a lot of belief in himself and I think he's going to be ready to roll. You get him out to LA, he's working out here today, which is Thursday. I know they had a really good workout with Burries the other day. I think it was a couple of days ago, but I just think once they see Michael in person, see his size, see his ability and watch him go through a workout, they're going to fall in love with him. And I think if they don't trade back, this is a perfect pick for the Clippers at number five. Yeah. Michael's always kind of hovered around that top three, almost like a little brother. Like, you know, we saw him, you know, in Portland at the hoop summit, it was like, you got the guys. And then it was like, Oh, Michael's pretty good too. It was, he was always sort of in that order. Right. For people who don't know too, I mean, the stuff that went on at Louisville, it was like, there was a back injury and there was a lot of like causality argument that went on that caused tension that you can read about that went on out there where it was just, I think that caused a lot of unrest in the, in the program. And then my, my main things with him are, are the defensive. He's pretty skinny. He's shown to me, like he's probably going to get attacked. Not that that's a unique thing among the guards, in this draft. And I've worried about the, the finishing at times too, but the shooting, I think is, is the strongest argument for him. You're talking about his audacity and his confidence. I mean, he shot 40.4% on threes in the pick and roll this season. So he can get, get it off in every which way. I mean, you can run him off of screens. You can have him as a drill pull-up shooter. He's, he's very versatile in that way. And he's ambidextrous with his passing game. I think that's another thing that's really nice about Mike L and he's grown. He's grown to, he's bigger than, than a lot of these guys. So he and Wagler are sort of peers in terms of the bigger live dribble kind of creator scores in this class. So my understanding with Mike L, when I've only watched like two games and I remember like getting the big waft of like LaMelo vibes from him, maybe not just like in how he plays, but maybe how he, how he carries himself. But everything you hear is just like the upside is there. And yet, as I'm reading the NBA draft guy, we have on the ringer from our guy, Kyle man, you have him 12th. So like not only, past the, the group of guards that I think could go here, but beyond even guys like Hans Steinbach and your guy, Quintins, am I getting any of these right? Quintins. We're close. Quintins without the A. My rule of thumb is you gotta be good enough for me to pronounce your name properly. You know, like Giannis got so good. I learned like the Nigerian version, Adedikumpo. You know what I mean? Like that's how good he got. So I think you get there eventually. We got past the, the, the tier of guys that I knew. And then I'm like, Oh shit, I don't actually don't know who, how to, how to pronounce this guy. I've never said this out loud. But anyway, Kyle, Michael Brown, you have a 12. So are you just not a believer? No, no. I mean, that's, I would say no, no, that's not the case. It's just, I think my archetype, like tier where I have him is maybe a little different than the way other people see. I think, I think people see him as like a pure offensive engine. And I, I'm not totally there in terms of, you mentioned Lamello. Lamello's thing is just kind of like kinetic, kinetic, kinetic, kinetic, moving, moving, moving, like, just always, and has a lot of flair. And I kind of wonder, about that with Mike L about like physicality inside the arc. Um, can his game, does his game need to be at the speed that he constantly plays at? Can he slow down and be a little bit more, um, of similar to, to another guy that we're getting ready to talk about? And, um, that's been my biggest thing, which has made me kind of slide him more into the archetype of the Keontes or the, or the, uh, like Anthony Simons is another guy that I bring up a lot with him. it's like yeah this is a good one these guys are scorers it's like are they max contract offensive engine guys um i i can't quite get there that's the line that i that i'm below with michael but he's an undeniable talent so and he could outperform that make me look stupid that's extremely possible all right nets are up now kyle so you have your pick of guards here you have wogler as your fifth guy you have buries at six do they take another point guard though like that's the problem with me with brooklyn i'm like how many point guards can one team take like you talked about all centers starting like is this a team of all point guards at some point my god well i mean wogler differs from all the other playmakers that they've taken and that he can shoot the freaking ball um they just jesus christ um no i mean wogler and jaguar together would be a pretty impotent downhill idea i think but um wogler can get into the pain and has some i was talking about michael about how you can get into the pain and has some i was talking about michael about how the the sort of pace and and the speed that he plays at keaton is the opposite keaton is very slow like i'm good it's not that he's like a slow athlete laterally it's just he has a way more exacting kind of incremental way that he plays and it's very mature and i think it's only going to advance and get better i think he's going to become a technique wizard as he continues to get better um and i think he also we were talking about going on and off ball with peterson uh keaton is good enough that he can play off ball uh during the times when he's not kind of getting his taking his lumps as a primary creator so he's he's a legitimate big-time shooter um i have a lot of belief in him in that sense so um the question i guess will be like the you know in the actual draft is whether or not they want to put him next to garland um i think his size kind of you know eases some of that the worry on that front defensively probably still be a question you know people have brought up a whole lot that in the half court wogler like doesn't dunk like he's only had like one dunk in like the past few years and he's not going to be able to do that three years across multiple levels so and he's 6'6 which you know how much do you care about that um your mileage may vary but i i think that wogler is a big-time talent i'm a big fan tate where are you on wogler i'm a big fan i i think that the only only issues i really have with wogler is just like when he has defensive pressure which he's going to face in the playoffs like i think he'd be a great regular season player early on in his career but once he gets like actual guys fit like a steph castle picking up wogler to me if i forecast in the future i don't like the the promise of that but if he goes to a team like brooklyn he'll have some time to develop and kind of fight through some of those hiccups that he'll have early on and i do think as far as being able to kind of get off ball be a catch and shoot guy to get into a rhythm and then i think you can kind of load into him being a primary ball handler throughout his career i think that is something that i see as far as like forecasting what his looks like but yeah i'm a big fan i think whenever you have a guy like this that is kind of an under under the radar prospect there's probably a little bit of imposter syndrome that you have to fight through early on in his career so i think bringing him into a system having time and a runway for him to develop into the player he can be is a best case scenario so brooklyn to me would be a great fit and i think he could play like a two guard type situation as well and just get some shots up get into a flow and then the more that you kind of believe and see especially in the pick and roll you're like all right let's give him the keys and let him go so i i'm a big fan i just i wonder how far he could slide down depending on if teams can do that and if they can't they can't do that and if they can't kind of fall in love with some more sure guys you know like a kingston fleming's or braden buries or something like that but i'm a big fan of wogler as a player i almost wish he stayed a little bit farther under the radar like he didn't pop as much as he did at illinois because it seems like he's the type of guy who would benefit a lot from the players around him like the the kind of theory of like putting them in the warrior system or like around more veterans so he could flow around there and then just steadily gain more and more but if you're trapped them at five or six even like you're kind of expecting a lot from him at least from the jump i guess if the clippers hold on to garland like at the very least there's be a little bit more of a time share there before they see to him but like i don't know just like just just straight from the jump like it feels like he's the type of guy who needs a little bit more time and the clippers i mean if they're gonna keep kawaii they're gonna actually compete at the very least for a playing spot for the immediate so i don't know um seven kings tate where are you going this feel this feels like the obvious one and i think pointed to the fact that this is obvious i mean darius akka i think for me the kings are going to be between two guards who are totally different stylistically i think it's going to be akka for kingston fleming's i think fleming's is sort of your davion mitchell defensive stopper and hope that he grows into more of an offensive prospect as time kind of wanes on but i just think when you have a player like darius akka who is so tough scores at three levels distributes plays well the pick and roll excellent at setting the pace kind of has a moxie as almost like a veteran type mindset i know defense is going to be a lot of work but i think it's going to be a lot of work this has been a very scrutinized point when it comes to darius akka but i'm of the camp that when you have a guy like this who is just um someone that can one sell tickets and two get people to believe in him as a true star in this league i know he's a little bit undersized but they have the relationship scott perry and his dad are very close i know bj armstrong who's the assistant gm there has had his eye on akka for quite some time i thought they were gonna have to trade up for darius at some point and we were talking about this and kyle's like what are they trading you know what i mean like what do they have to do to trade up for darius at some point offer to trade up which i think is a very fair conversation so if the kings are sitting there at seven a cuff is still on the board i think it's an easy decision for them i think they take darius a cuff and they uh are very excited about what his future looks like and he's had a lot of nba and basketball people around him for quite some time and i think he's really going to grow into a superstar and i think getting him at number seven is a steal for the sacramento king so i'm going to take darius a cuff if you're trying to trade up for a cuff there's big like michael scott with the the oven mitt in the christmas episode he's like oh look at this craftsmanship you know very well i don't really know who they're who they're gonna dangle but yeah a cuff he the thing that i've heard people bring up and this is a serious worry is just like is he gonna be in the running for worst defensive player in the league like he's gonna get targeted a whole lot you hear that about trey young you hear that about uh kiante you hear people you know so these these skinny guys who are scorers it's like um he's it's gonna be an uphill uphill battle and he's gonna have to prove a lot of people wrong because that noise is pretty loud well let me ask you this because you're talking to a lot of draft people a lot of league people a lot of college people at this point did the jalen brunson winning a title thing have any effect on everyone is everyone all of a sudden being like i don't know a cuff you get the right system around him i don't know if that's in sacramento but like if you get him to the right team are people going to be more open to that now well i mean it's interesting because a cuff and brunson are very different stylistically if you just want to talk about the basketball side of it um brunson really sets up shop into paint in a way that that a cuff doesn't a lot of a cuffs trips to the rim are are passing he kind of is shooting a floater kind of just going you know brunson goes in there and just like he builds camp and he's just like i'm cool i'm content i'll i got all the little up up fakes and everything but on the human side of it i think it is it is a pretty interesting idea where um it does mirror the knicks a little bit where you're drafting familiarity you're drafting somebody that you know a lot about that um and but the the difference being here that he played at arkansas with like if you want to go and like surround him with the other dudes who were at arkansas you're not going to have the same results i can't even think of a tape this is i was curious to throw this to you like is there a parallel for the villanova thing i honestly justin i think your yukon teams are the closest thing like if a team was like i'm gonna go we have castle let's go get clinging let's go get caravan like i it i don't even know if it's replicable like in terms of how they went about drafting guys that had history together yeah i think yukon's the right answer and obviously barry you can speak to that even more but i think that's the only one that these days that would really fit i mean maybe there's like i mean we've seen the duke thing try to work out rj barrett and cam reddish once upon a time and i think they both hated each other uh more than people really suspected at the time and villanova with jay wright is kind of coached in a different but similar way with dan hurley so i think they have the dna that's built into them and um i think when you understand the history of the yukon team it's kind of like the ultimate goal is there you have championship dna you know to use one of those uh you know things that everyone likes to point out i think yukon would be the obvious answer and um you know even if there's like yeah i mean caravan to me is one of those guys where you you know early second round you might just bring him in if you're like the spurs i don't know what pick they have exactly around in that area but maybe you just do that and say hey this guy knows how to play with him knows how to find space good jump shooter we feel good about that um so yeah i think yukon's the obvious answer wemby for clinging just lock it in now i'm in um a cuff in sacramento just quickly just it's just so funny because i feel like they've been drafting team leaders who want to be there for so long i'm sure this one will will go right but it's a whole other story uh eight elena hawks kyle i thought a lot about this lately naturally um i feel like kingston fleming's would be amazing in atlanta um i think that there's been a whole lot of talk among hawks fans about like well we do need a big fan base but if you're getting if you're in this situation um i've had people also say that this is purely a best player available franchise so um I think Kingston kind of checks both boxes in terms of needs, and he's a high upside player where I think if you put his speed and his ability to pass the ball, which I think is underrated, in there with the guys that could protect him defensively, I think he's going to do fine defensively because he's fast and he's pretty strong and he's really competitive. I just think if you put him next to Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, just all the link that they have, he would be an awesome complement, and I think he would help that team in the short term. I agree. Tate, you want to go with Dallas at nine? Yeah, I think this is after all the shuffling of the deck with the guards, I think that you look at this guy and you're saying, well, why wasn't he taken already? Braden Burries out of Arizona, another guy that I think defensively doesn't get talked about enough. I think he's a really good defender. There was a lot of conversation about Darren Peterson dodging the game against Arizona. I think some of that was fair speculation because I think he saw Braden. Braden Burries and was like, I don't know if I want any of that, and I think that could just be. I'm cramping just thinking about it, you know what I'm saying? I think there was some of that involved. I don't want to read too much into the line there, but yeah, led the Wildcats in scoring, has a really balanced kind of shot profile in general, can get down to the rim, can be a catch-and-shoot guy. I just think that if you're Dallas, you're sitting there, you see all these guards that are coming off the board, and you say to yourself, hey, feel pretty good about Braden Burries. He's a little bit older, too, so I think he can help you in the short term. In the short term, I think he can help you in the long term, and again, I just think that he is a really solid person from what I've heard. Everybody's enjoyed him, being around him. He's had great workouts, so as far as being able to put him with a team that is hoping for larger aspirations, he doesn't have to be the franchise guy when you have Flagg there already. Maybe there's some mentorship that could happen with the Kyrie Irving as well. We'll see how that works out, but I just think Burries there with the Mavericks would be a really good fit. Burries and Flagg is just match made in heaven. Yeah. Burries' report came out about him being considered at five. If he gets taken at five, I'm going to be insufferable, Justin. I'm just going to warn you because there was a whole lot of. Just because I said that, it's going to go the other way. Karma's going to kick me in the ass, but there were a whole lot of mouthy commenters saying I was an idiot for mocking that there. Burries is a playoff player, man. I mean, you're talking about the ball pressure, Tate. He's going to dish it out, and I kind of feel like he's going to be able to take it. I just think that that's an increasingly demanding filter for guards coming into the league. Burries is tough on both ways, man. Right, and if you're going at this based off of the new front office regime, not only Ujiri, but Mike Schmitz is in there. What is his type of player? It seems like it's very much this type. There's two-way guys with some skill. Chinese and big, right? Not anymore. That's our problem here in Portland. Just left us with the bag. That's fine. I still believe in Young. I still believe. Number 10, the Milwaukee Bucks. Let's go out on this one. Hearing a lot of Nate Ament vibes, right? But I keep looking at Kyle Mann's draft board, and I keep scrolling. I don't know where to find him. Oh, wait, no, here he is at 20. Kyle is not a fan of Nate Ament. Here's my issue with Ament and with Chris Cenac from Houston is it's not that I'm always careful to put it this way. It's not that I'm out on these players. It's just their draft position represents the value or the level of investment. And confidence. It's like, it's not that I don't think it could happen. It's just, am I comfortable in the investment with a player who is a hypothetical kind of stretch three, four, who has like no rim pressure. I mean, it was really bad in the paint this year, this season using Cenac as the other guys, just like a guy who seems more like terrified to go in the paint that those guys, if you're not, if you're a hypothetical on both sides of the spectrum there, I'm just kind of like, well, you better be. And, and, and I just worry about a minute. Um, what is he going to do? What is he going to turn into now? Granted? He has a lot of just positives. I mean, he's pretty, he's a smooth mover. He's a smooth player with the ball. I think he's got some passing upside. Um, they may see him, you know, we were texting and we keep referencing this and I know this is annoying to listen to for people. We keep referencing text messages. We had bill and house and now we're talking about where the, where the, the star bets are in this draft. And we all kind of agree that it falls off after like nine, 10. And if you're a, if you're a team like Milwaukee, who's going to be retooling, they, everybody expects, you know, Giannis to be, uh, traded here. And soon, um, you're in a position to make a bet like that, I think. So, you know, if I'm Milwaukee, I'd be considering that rather than going with like an established kind of role player. I'll take the talent bet. Cause when am I going to have the chance again, based on their pick situation? So, um, it makes sense, but that's where I stand on it. Tate, I don't know about you. So you're going to take native minute number 10. This is, this is my board. This is what we're, we're projecting what could happen. Well, let me ask you this then just, just quickly. Like if it was you, who would you take given all those players that are off the board at this point, if it was just Kyle man in that war room, like who are you turning in? I mean, 10 on my board is Jaden Quaintance. Um, but there's a lot of disagreement about whether or not he's healthy. I think he has the highest defensive upside of, of all the bigs in this draft. And for me, that's a Yaxal. You still have. All of the Michigan guys, practically Mara, Mara is interesting. And I tell you, I don't know where you fall on Mara, but like, it seems like he's this type of guy who could go higher depending on if you're a true believer there. Um, where are you on Mara or where would you go at 10? If you had the pick? Yeah. I mean, I think the, the question with Mara is like, if you're bringing him to a team to be an actual franchise type guy, I don't think that's the right fit. I think he has to go to a team where he's just like a plug in to an already kind of established order of things. And I think really just kind of like figuring out how long could he play and affect a game. It's like the motor of a die. Mara would be the big question, but the skill was obviously there. So I think for, you know, some of the teams kind of like in the 12 to 16 range feels more like Mara, even Atlanta, as Kyle mentioned before, maybe that makes sense for Mara. But again, it has to be like an established order. That's already there. A real team that just needs like another piece there at the center. I mean, native men is an uncommon type player. I mean, dribble past you, his growth plates are still there. He's still open. He can still grow. He's 6'11 as it currently stands. So, I mean, there is upside. And if we know anything about Milwaukee's history, this is a team that took Thon Maker number 10, right? So we have to understand that they have taken big swings before. So it would not shock me at all if they did that again. So I think that's why a men is kind of there. If they wanted to be a little bit safer, maybe they go with a Yaxel Lindeborg just to bring him in and say, hey, we have a nice piece. Maybe it's a trade piece that some other teams could have some interest in, and maybe they just go for the safer. But I do think native men makes a lot of sense. I've seen Milwaukee Bucks fans very upset about this, but I think there's a world in which if a man goes to a clean slate type team, kind of has a free runway, doesn't have expectations, doesn't have pressure, he could develop in three years. We're saying, how did native men not go top five in the draft? Because he does have that type of talent, but we saw him at Tennessee seemed spooked by the paint, willing to fade away at any juncture just to stay away from the rim. So I think those are the things that kind of keep you away. And obviously, I think that's a good thing. Obviously, when you watch someone that intently and that closely, it does make it a little bit harder to kind of buy in. But yeah, number 10 for me, I think the safe pick would be Lindeborg, even though I don't know how safe that actually is. But I think native men make sense. Lindeborg, a point on that one. I've heard a lot of concern about the type of structure that it's going to take to get the most out of Lindeborg in the short term. Granted, he's a really talented player. I don't think that it's like he's like a cancer or anything. Like that. It's just more of a focus thing with him, from what I understand. So him coming into a team that has like really established structure, really established development, like as strong as an organization. And it's not that the Bucs aren't strong. It's just that there's just no framework there in terms of who they are right now. You know, if Giannis were there and he was like, come on in here and be under my wingspan, young Yaxel, I would feel pretty good about that. But that's kind of my hesitation. And we do this all the time where if you have a top 10 pick. I think there's sort of a mirage that you're in a position to make an upside swing. And that's one of the most dangerous places in the draft year in, year out, where you're straddling this like, well, should we not waste this opportunity to take this talent because we're here? Teams repeatedly do that. And then we'll see players in the 11, 12, 13, 14 range get looked over because they're not as sexy as the upside since. And those are players like Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker. I mean, Shea. Where did Shea go? I was 11, 11. Yeah, it happens a lot. Or the guys that seem like kind of less attractive ideas are just there in plain sight. It's hard to tell who that's going to be in this year's draft, but it happens every single year. Why don't we wrap it there? Thank you, Tate. We went through the entire top 10. It's absolutely going to play out like this. So we look forward to just telling you how right you are after the fact. No, I won't. Burry's to go number five. So Kyle. I can have his victory lap. So that's what I'm rooting for. He's going to go 11 and it's going to. That's what I deserve. He also has him at six on the board here. I just want to point that out. Like, so he's confident, but he's like not all the way. Top five confident. He's just a stable idea to me. I just, I think Burry's is just, I don't know. It might not. There are people who think he has on ball upside too. If you think that, then yeah, I mean, he's big Burry's fan could see he could have played in these playoffs. I think you could have. I agree. All right, Tate, thanks so much for joining us. 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