MJ Lenderman CALLS OUT Cameron Winter (not clickbait)

All right, quiet, let's go for it. ♪ How are you gonna make your way in the world when you weren't cut out for workin'? ♪ ♪ And your fingers are slender and frail? ♪ ♪ How are you gonna get around in this lazy bedroom town? ♪ ♪ If you don't pay yourself up for sale? ♪ ♪ Where you gonna go with the scars and your miracles? ♪ ♪ There's gonna know who you are. ♪ ♪ Drugs and wine and flattering light, you must try again 'til you get it right. ♪ ♪ Maybe I'll end up with someone different every night. ♪ ♪ All these people with no home to go to ♪ ♪ They'd all love to spend the night with you. ♪ ♪ Maybe I would too. ♪ ♪ Tell me how are you gonna make your way in the world when you weren't cut out for workin'? ♪ ♪ And you just can't concentrate. ♪ ♪ And you always show up lately. ♪ ♪ You said you were an actor. ♪ ♪ Well, I believe you are. ♪ ♪ But I thought you would be a star. ♪ ♪ So I drank up all money. ♪ ♪ With these phonies in this Hollywood bar. ♪ ♪ With these friends of mine in this Hollywood bar. ♪ ♪ ♪ Loneliness and frustration. ♪ ♪ You and I both come down with an acute case. ♪ ♪ But when the lights came up at two. ♪ ♪ And I caught a glimpse of you. ♪ ♪ And your face looked like something death brought with him in the suitcase. ♪ ♪ Oh, your pretty face. ♪ ♪ Looks so wasted. ♪ ♪ Another pretty face. ♪ ♪ A pension haller. ♪ ♪ Stamped and milder. ♪ ♪ So. ♪ ♪ Loneliness. ♪ ♪ So. ♪ ♪ Loneliness. ♪ (applause) (upbeat music) ♪ Very, very, very true. ♪ ♪ Oh, my man, very true. ♪ ♪ My man, very true. ♪ Welcome to a very special episode of the Adam Friedland Show. Guys, it's me, Adam, real quick. Before we jump in, low-ticket warning. February 19th of the 21st, Helium Comedy Club. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, I will be there. In addition, I'll be in Portland next month. March 27th to the 29th. And Los Angeles May 9th. They added a second show at the Regent Theatre. There's a link in the description for tickets. And as you can have seen already, my guess this week is Singer Songwriter MJ Lenderman. Give it up for him, guys. (applause) MJ actually performed two songs for us in the studio. And the full performance will be released on Friday. February 13th, Friday the 13th. What are we doing? That's what I wrote in here. Oh, you already wrote this in the-- I keep reading it. Way to tick Friday the 13th. Ah, scream at the top of the lungs. So, no, I'm just kidding. It's not scary. (laughter) We're going to be releasing more live performances with great musicians. We've recorded a couple of them. We're ready. How many, Thomas? Two, three, three others. Some of them will be longer episodes of the Adam Friedland show. Some of them will be shorter, just performances and then five minute interviews. Guys, it's going to be great. It's Taps Unplugged. Look at the fucking logo. It's Taps Unplugged. For the full MJ Lenderman performance, Sick Around Friday the 13th. It's not scary. It's coming out. There are more exciting guests to come. We had a rap. We had a rap. We had a rap on Friday. Yeah. Yeah. So, guys, please enjoy my interview with MJ Lenderman. (applause) It's really good. It looks like a young David Letterman. All right. Guys. I don't like it. I make all the guests do walk-outs, and it's actually very, I don't like it. Oh, Zach, thank you. Can you guys get this stuff on me? Yeah. All right. What up, Twin? That was a great performance. Give it up for Jake, guys. (applause) When we've had rappers on the show, I get Don Huli for them. And I wanted to paint tribute. Thank you. This is the most expensive one, just so you know. I don't know how to open this. I mean, you don't know how. I don't know. I feel like there's probably some sort of-- You're not a rapper. Obviously. Have you chilled with rappers since you-- Just my middle school basketball coach, Rollin' Green. Rollin' Green. I made beats for him. You made beats for-- Wait, did you have to call him Coach Rollin' Green? No, you had a normal name as a coach. What was it? Coach Scott. That's pretty cool. Here you go. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the show. We had the other young buck in the studio. He watched you. Who'd that be? Cameron, dude. Dude, can I-- You said he was taller than you? He's literally one inch taller than you. No, he's nice. He's two feet taller than me. What are you talking about? Oh, this is like-- I was standing up here. Dude, we saw the young bucks and then we saw-- We saw Oank, my friend Riley. And it was like-- I was at a dog park. And you guys were all smelly. You showed his butt. You're all peeing in different corners? Yeah. It was definitely like-- It was like the don't look back, Donovan, Bob Dylan, battle. You see that, right, of course? Yeah. I'm forgetting, though. Bob is like-- Donovan's like playing a really beautiful song. You can just see him, like, not-- Like, he just wants to, like, defeat. He wants to destroy it. And he's like-- He's like antsy and then he takes the guitar. That's why Cameron just left. Yeah, yeah. You just-- You just don't look back to him. Yeah. And then he peed in the corner. Yeah. Have you met any of your goats yet? Since you become a rocker? Yeah. I mean, the truckers? Those-- that was your favorite band, growing up. Yeah. Ryan is your junior. Oh, sick. Jamie. Riley's boys with them, too. Give it up for Riley. [APPLAUSE] You went on tour with them, no? Yeah, a long time ago. All right. [APPLAUSE] All right. It's cool that kids are in bands again. All right. We had a millennial conversation with all the millennials. And we're like, I think that there's never going to be another band. And now you guys are all like-- I mean, it's really nice that kids like Neil again, so. Kids like Neil? You're like you. Oh, yeah. Baby Bro is like Neil. I was like, he's pretty old. But-- You don't like Neil, you're-- I love Neil. No, no, no. I have an archive. Archives app on my phone. Oh, sick. Well, because he's off of Spotify because Joe Rogan podcasted. He's back on Spotify. I bought it while he was off of Spotify. And then he went back on. He made peace with Zion. I am a little mad at him for that, but-- How much was the archives app? I don't remember. It's $10 a year, maybe. I mean, $10 a year? Maybe a month. A month? That's like Netflix money. No, I think it's a year. It was really nice of him that he became an American citizen so he could vote for Bernie. I thought that was a really sweet thing of him. I don't remember if you-- I don't know if you know that. I don't know if you're old enough to know Bernie. You're ever president in 2020 and 2016. He's this Jewish guy. Bernie? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know him. I get you an old soul. Bernie Sanders. Yeah, Bernie Sanders. Yeah. You grew up Catholic in Asheville, North Carolina. Yeah? Yeah. You were an altar boy. What did you have to do for that? You had to swing the incense? Well, you start as the-- You step back in the game? Yeah, yeah, yeah. An acolyte. They've no bookbearers the first one. You bring the books up to the priest. And that's a little boy. That's a young boy. Young boy. And then you got the acolyte, that's big bro. And then the crossbearer, that's when you worked your way up to the cross. Yeah, I was one of the best altars servers of all time. You didn't drop that shit at once? No, but I did put it on sideways. You put the cross upside down? Sideways. Oh, okay. It was like a square base and I put it down and then I went set down and the cross was facing me. Oh my God. You watch the club Shannon? Club Cheche. Yeah. It was like, we're drinking yak right now. This is going to be like the cat Williams episode. Yeah. You're going to tell us about all the freak-offs you've been to. Yeah. You're going to tell us about it. Did they make you put on the dress? I don't. I'm sorry. There have been allegations that Jay Masekis from Dinosaur Jr. has been putting boys like you on dresses. I don't think we should be talking about that publicly. Are you hyped that there's American Pope? An American Pope? Yeah. What do you talk about? I'm not even Catholic. I'm hyped on it. It's good for America, dude. Yeah. I think it's more exciting that he's from Chicago for some reason. Yeah. Soufion. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think he's ever listed as Chief Chief? The Pope. Yeah, the Pope. Certainly. Certainly. Not, I mean, maybe not intentionally, but I definitely out of a car. He's been like, yeah. What is this crap? No, the Pope is cool. We like him. Leo? Yeah. What is his old name, though? Chris. Chris? I don't know. You changed your name to MJ? No. [laughter] My name's Jake. My name is Jacob. Oh. What? You were afraid of your first name? Mohamed? Sorry. It's the most common name in the world. Mark. Mark. Jacob. Oh, that's kind of far. But yeah, when I started releasing music on the internet when I was in high school, I thought Jake just didn't sound good. Yeah. Sound like a joke. Jake Linderman? Yeah. No, it sounds like a kid that definitely has like one thing on the wall and it's pulp fiction poster. Yeah. It's not, yeah. That's my heart. He works at Goldman, yeah. Yeah. He's doing, like, he's doing five ads watching NFL Red Zone. Yeah. That's the Jake Linderman look. I don't know. You think Shenato Connorsh would have been a good pope though? She was mad at the pope. Yeah. I think she was, she probably mad at the right things. It was a boy, it was child abuse or abortion. It was either or something like that. Have you played in Ireland yet? Yeah. It's the best. It's the best country. I was telling a story on stage when we played in Ireland and I was talking about the plane right over there and I said I was sitting around a bunch of slags. Uh-huh. I didn't know that meant. Yeah. It means hose. Yeah. I thought it meant something else. What did you think about it? Just like a bunch of, you thought it was a racial slag. No. What did you think slag was? I thought it was like a lazy person. Hooligans, you know? Oh, no, no, no. Cause these guys were like, that's geezers. They were drinking at like 10 a.m. and some bunch of kids, they were going from Manchester to Ireland. And my bass player was asleep on the plane and one of them was just like, you smacked him in the head on the plane. As a, as a bit. Yeah, he said, you good man. He's back. Cause he was sleeping. Yeah. Cause he was asleep on a plane. He doesn't know what a sleep is. And this dude was drunk. Yes, I don't know. Your great grandfather was a jazz guy? Yeah. Was it, you never metunk? No, that's, that's OG. OG, yeah. We never met this. He passed away before I was born. Was he like, like, living hard kind of jazz guy? He was like, hair on kind of style? No. Yeah. The drums guy. What's the thing? It's cool that you could be a band leader and do drums. Yeah. Like, it did. Went. Come on. It's this bad attitude rock before we hit play, he was like, oh my God, I'm so excited to do this. You were like, talk a mile a minute and then we hit play and you're like, I'm fucking, fuck the B2s. I got a red light fever. No, I know. That's why you want this. This, right? Yeah. Listen to me up. I don't know. Like, it sounds to me, like, you grew up in a family where, like, they were very supportive. Like, do they go to gigs? Our sets wouldn't start till, like, 11 p.m., 'cause we're playing, like, after your mom's bedtime. Yeah, yeah. But they were always very cool, like, they never, they never, they never told me not to play a show or something. Did your mom criticize, like, where you're wearing? She's like, you can wear something a little nicer. That's what my mom said to me about Santa. Yeah, I remember going to school one morning, she was like, you look like you just got your hair wet. They don't know that that's cool. I was like, yeah, I just took a shower. Oh, she's an idiot, your mom? No. Your mom's an idiot. She wants the best for me. Are you going to be a one that keeps it real? Are you going to be a North Carolina boy for, for life or? I think so. No, you saw my, I was wearing that coat last night. You were like, I didn't see the coat, that was dim thing. We went, we got dinner last night and I had one of the really nice coat, like, you kept telling me, I was thinking about it on the drive over here. I was like, the way you were telling me like, you got to get, you got to get another coat. I was like, I was, I was getting, I was trying to criticize it. Your coat, my coat's not, no, I was saying you got to move to New York and get a coat, like a dawn draper saw coat, but that's during, like, your troubled period after the divorce. Yeah. I got to get married first. You got to get a, you're going to have a motorcycle phase. You're going to have all the motorcycle? You're going to have a Christian phase again. Yeah. That's going to cry. Yeah. Then you're going to have a reggae phase, infidel style, yeah, yeah, you'll make a song called "Hile Hitler" and then you'll, now I'm just kidding, just kidding. I haven't really, somebody just did that though. Yeah, but like, that's a phase. I've read it. When that song came out, I was like, it's this phase? All right. This will wear off. Everybody was like, the song is actually good. Did you see Kanye? No, the "Suck My Cousins" dick was really good, but he should have done it the other way, right? Reverse? I think he should have done HH and then everyone was like, fuck, this guy's an asshole and then followed it up with "Suck My Cousins" dick. And then that would have really set it over the top. Yeah. And then because that kind of wraps everything up and explains maybe some trauma that he's dealing with. I mean, it's clear that he's having like a psychotic break, right? I don't think that Kanye was convincing anyone to either HH or "Suck Their Cousins" dick. No. I don't think that that was his winning message. I think it just seemed like a guy was having a tough time. For me, I used to get a CD, right, like at the mall and I'd listen for like a month, right? And then for you guys, you had Spotify probably. You could like listen to any song. And I wonder if that, like, because to me, it's like that either makes music way better because you could listen to anything or makes it like the kids don't have as much of a focus or something. Yeah. I think focus is totally gone. But I'm thankful that I had the resources to listen to whatever I wanted to at any time. Yeah. We used to have to like burn each other's CD. I've burned some CDs. Yeah. I burned me and my dad a mix from when we were going to basketball tournaments. He's your obsessed with your dad. He's your dad. I put this Eminem song on there. Which track? The one from Relapse. With like the Aerosmith sample. Can you go bar for bar? No. Oh, that's. You're a big amp fan? I was. I was the Eminem kid in school. Really? I was awesome. He was my iPod background. Dude. What was your first Eminem album? I think when when not afraid came out, that was. That was like. Yeah. I knew who he was. And then I got like. and I dug deep and then I heard like a song like a Kim on Marshall Mathers. I don't think this is terrifying. I was listening to that in sixth grade. Same. Yeah. I was listening to a song about a man killing his wife and putting her in his trunk. It was just so scared of it. But it was like a. got obsessed. Yeah. Do you think that comedy music is good or bad? Do you think funny songs are good? I think so. Because in the comedy community, it's looked down upon, but I happen to love funny songs. Yeah, it's weird. I don't think anybody really knows what to do with it. It's like not. for me, it's listen to it. People like music that use this humor, but they don't like it the other way around. Your lyrics are. your lyrics have humor in them. Would you say? Hopefully. Up to me. Yeah. Did you. you feel like you've gotten better at writing the lyrics since you've. I mean, you've done four full albums already. The first song I ever wrote was called "Nightmare." Sick. What was it about? I guess it was about a nightmare. I had a sick. But my guitar teacher hated it. I showed it to him. He ripped it to shreds. Like this doesn't make any sense. Is it embarrassing that you wrote that. how old were you when you wrote "Nightmare?" 14? And Metallica is still writing those kind of songs. Right? About like. The riffs are heavier though. Yeah. They have a lot of money. When you feel like you kind of like popped for the first time. Was that in the last like three years? Yeah. Yeah. Like what was the moment where you're like, "Oh shit, it's going good." Oh yeah. I mean that keeps happening in a way that's like. what was the moment where you realized people knew who you were? And like how did you deal with that? Because it's obviously like stressful situations. During like COVID people were talking about online a lot. Yeah. And. Once we started playing shows again, the crowds were bigger. - Yeah. - I guess. And then, but especially like, my record, both songs, came out in April, 22, and then by the end of it, they got put on a bunch of lists. And then, and then I started noticing like a lot of, a lot of talk about it. Like, you have to go to GQ Man of the Year. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, that was weird. I'd stopped using socials, but I do. - You can't, don't look. - I'd lurk on Twitter. - Just for point to his clips? - Yeah. (laughing) - Wait, does YouTube shorts? - YouTube shorts is fun. - Yeah. - My Instagram, Reels algorithm is the only safe place for me on the internet. It's the only place where it's not scary. - Twitter, my Twitter algorithm has gone haywire. - Yeah, yeah. - It's not good. - Yeah, there was like, there was like killings for a while. And then, so, but shorts is still just funny. Or, Reels, Reels is funny. It's still people saying things the wrong way. It's still people falling over. The internet used to be funny. - Yeah. - Now it's scary. Now it's just like Slur, MJ Lenderman song, Nickfoot. (laughing) - Geese. - Exactly. - I'm not saying those are all the same kind of thing. I'm just saying it's just what people are talking about. - This is what people are talking about. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's made a huge difference. So I'm not be looking at that as much. - I mean, it just doesn't matter, dude. I mean, at the end of the day, you just want to make tracks, right? - Yeah, yeah, it's like, and that just gets in the way. It's a distraction. It doesn't matter even what people, like, the people think, really. You just, like, as long as, like, have you ever felt good after, like, finishing a song? - Every time it feels awesome to finish a song, and then sometimes, within the next couple days, it's like, oh, it wasn't that good, but. - Right, like, you look, I feel like everything I've ever done, I look back on, and I'm like, I would change that, I would change that, I would change that, right? - Yeah, but I think it's cooler to just move forward. - You have to just forget about it. - Forget it. - Yeah. - The worst part is, like, you get really excited at the beginning, and you're like, this is gonna be awesome. And then you try it, and you're like, I am a fucking loser. I have no talent. You fight against it, and you just end the project, and you put it out, and you forget about it. It's the best way to work, honestly. You figuring that out now is huge. - Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of things that I've released that I don't love, but it's cool to just move forward. - You look better every time. - You get better every time, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, if you're just trapped up, super concerned with only putting out things that are genius, then you'll never put anything out. - Well, also you suck, dude. - And you suck at music. - If anyone finishes something and they're like, this is amazing, then they suck, right? No one, like, the only way you get, what I found is, like, in the middle stage, right? The stage from, like, this is so exciting, to whatever the fuck, just put it out. The middle stage is like the gym. That's like-- - The reps. - They hate it's the reps, right? It's like, I hate myself, I hate the song, I suck, but, like, fighting through it is, like, kind of, the part where you get better. - Yeah, yeah. - I agree. - Yeah, that's putting up shots. - Yeah, putting up some shots, a little bit of discipline. - What's your three books, maybe? - What's your three-point percentage? - Empty Gym. - 50? - 50. - Dude, this isn't crazy, that league is like, if they're empty gym, it's kind of, like, 80. - They're so good at basketball, they're like, my biggest basketball game I ever played. - Yeah. - At 10-3s. - 10-3s? - Yeah. - You were a sniper? - Oh, it was a sniper, dude. - Really? What grade was that? - Seven. - Seven grade 10-3s? (laughing) So you were strong enough not to, like, from your chest? - You had form? - I had form. - Dude, have you ever linked with Steph? He's North Carolina? - Oh yeah, he went to Davidson. - Davidson, he loves Paramore, I just learned. - Dude, have you seen that clip of him at the fucking Benson Boone concert wearing the fucking, wearing the hat? - No. - I have a theory on the NBA, which is the fact that LeBron is so bad at any type of, like, trying to be cool thing. Has completely, like, shielded Steph from any type of, like, scrutiny. Like, Steph has been, like, a genius player in an era where there was another genius player, and he's been protected. - Yeah, all their energy is put into being good at basketball. They don't have any skills at anything else. - I just know that LeBron's, like, team is, like, we will be doing creative on this. And it's always just a fucking break. It's like, the, the Hennessey thing you saw, right? That, was that when he said he was gonna make an announcement? - Yeah. - Everybody thought he was gonna retire? - And it was on October 7th. (laughs) It said, I'm making an announcement on October 7th, 2025. And it was an ad for Hennessey. - Did the girls leave one of the managers, though? - Thank God, okay, okay. Dude, we've never had so many girls in here before. - I know. - Yeah. - The last girl here was Mia Khalifa. - All right, I was telling you last night you should get in the Indie Rock pickup game. Are they adapted, man? - Oh, yeah. - We can dab later. - I wonder who would be in the Indie Rock pickup game. - Thurston Moore? - He's tall as fuck. - He's tall as fuck. - He's probably not very good, though. - No, he's right. - He's definitely trashed at ball. - There's a lot of tall guys out there. - You're obsessed with other guys' hides that are, and no, you said that Cameron was a way taller than you used one-inch taller. - You don't think he's a taller? - You're already 6'3, dude. 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Is it kind of like a hard day? that's three sister my life is ruled by women yeah yeah they stress you out sometimes but and they tell you you can't get any girlfriends they say I can't have girlfriends I wonder what it's like I mean like I'm adding a fourth to the fold Zach Zach our friend over here he told me that girls learned the words to his songs at his gig oh was that was there moment when you realize that the kids knew the words yeah cuz they're so fucking loud like they're sometimes they want they want to be heard and it's like I'm trying to sing a song and I start forgetting the words cuz I'm like cuz it's like they're distracting me they're being lame for knowing the words it's cool that people are that committed are they annoying sometimes yeah they're fucking yeah what's the most annoying this guy was in in he was at like three shows in a row and he kept telling me to take my shoes off he said let me see those feet though maybe he was from the website wiki feet though may he's trying to snap some photos yeah he's like I'm trying I'm a thorough guy I need the lendermen's feet yeah after night three of doing that I was like who is saying this and I look at the guy he's wearing every piece of merch that I have to the show yeah that's a that is the worst and then and then he and then I once I called him out he got embarrassed what did you say to make him feel embarrassed stop it off from the stage off-mic I was being nice did you kick him in the head with your shoe Josh homie style yeah you're like I love these shoes so code what relationship did COVID have to your career like you were touring they cut it out yeah but then I was like working at an ice cream store so they're working there I got unemployment and I started making more money than I ever made my life yeah no it happened a lot of friends was I it was the most prolific period of time for me cuz we had a really really fortunate living situation too over by the Creekside taphouse that works at yeah yeah my boy's brother I didn't know he had a brother so yeah so so you guys wrote a ton of music yeah it was like the only it was it was a rear to like view of adulthood cuz I turned 21 right before that happened and and and then I have all this free time and more money than I've ever had yeah and just time to to actually focus on making stuff and it was it was a pretty prolific time but then then like you got better definitely within that time I that's that's the best I had felt about like making things but once touring came back I'm I started being like what am I gonna have you know another break two years off again dude wouldn't it be nice you yeah who hog you it would I mean I feel like I would do it better this time yeah it's how's it you did it great oh yeah I mean for the parts of the team yeah I painted a lot yeah how was your painting it was fine it was it was it was nice for the brain though I think I was getting getting ideas while I was painting I would listen to I had an archive of Howard Stern I got obsessed with Howard Stern yeah but Lynn Biscuit guitar auditions and Beetlejuice comes in with completely naked he's like this is my guitar right we were talking yesterday about Beetlejuice the Obama phone call but Beetlejuice just says he does like Obama they get some guy calls it as oh Obama do you have goals in being like a musician is there like a thing that like you're like next time I'm gonna do this like what you see what keeps you like motivated just writing stuff I guess you want to get better yeah I want to get better it's the happiest I am it's when I make music but I've achieved all of my goals really I just have to make new ones I guess but maybe they're unrelated to music I think you just need to just keep making tracks the best guys I just want to keep keep making music that I'm happy about I don't want to lose I think it's easy to get successful and then start making bad music what is like the currency that matters the most is it like approval of your peers is it like that does mean a lot to me the comedian says good said that I like I'm like that feels good yeah that means a lot to me my own validation from myself yeah but you hate all yourself right yeah yeah that means you're I think that's why you're good it definitely means more with with peers that I respect yeah with someone is a head and they know because the guys that the guys that are telling you to take your shoes off it's like why don't you make a fucking track dude yeah yeah I'm like and that guy what's the say about me that this guy worships my music and that guy was Brian Eno I really I'm a big fan I really appreciate you coming on yeah yeah you have to do stuff like this and you it's it's really I'm not very practice I'm sorry no it sucks for you you shouldn't have to to do these yeah well this is one that I I was I was excited for because I know but you're like you like the show so you're like I Adam's gonna be be hating on my ass no I talked to you on the phone before this we talked for an hour of the phone and then more about what are we talking about I forgot what we're talking about oh yeah we talked about red bar big fan shout out to Mike David thank you MJ Landerman everyone thanks for coming on bye okay you have to go to the airport (soft piano music)