Miranda Kerr: Bison for Breakfast

The following podcast is a deer media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host Amanda Hersh, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars. I'm a very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. You guys, how is it? November, 2026. Like, okay, if you didn't feel like 2026 flubbi, which is weird, I'm going to make you feel like 2026 flubbi. My year of yes was 2025. Okay, let that sink in. My year of yes was 2025, which I do feel like, I wouldn't say my 2026 was my like continuation of your of yes, but I will say that my, the fact that I made 2025, my year of yes, and like forced myself to say yes to a lot of things. I wouldn't have otherwise made it so I learned that saying yes really benefited me. So in 2026, I was more, I said yes more easily. Like, it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like, I think about it. This is your year of yes. It was like, oh no, because I learned in 2025 that going to things was really good. Then 2026, I like, I learned what things I should be going to. And if you've noticed, rolls been out, which again takes me to the question. Everything comes back to whether I should have a third child 'cause I'm like, I've been going out a lot. And it's easy for us now. Like, Yarran, Yarran, no wonder I call them the huzz, can put down two kids. Like, it's fine. I know he's got it. Like three kids, how do you put three kids to sleep? Like, do you just need more help? You know, so everything comes back to whether I'm having another child. It's fucked up, but it's true. What else is new? Amanda Batula is not coming back to end. The city people are like, what? How's your dad coming back? And then she posts an in-feed post and writes like, do you mind if I post? And all like her caption was the all-mind if I post, which is like stupid. That's such a rage-bait Amanda, what the fuck are you doing? And so many of the comments were like, yes, we mind, go away, back into your hole and die. And it's like, oh, so you wanted to come back to reality TV? Oh, you saw. And how about this? We can't have nice things 'cause I know you guys watch the city to see what's up with Amanda and West and Kyle. Did you watch the city to see Genevieve who is a dermatologist? I forgot her name. And I'm sure she's lovely, but that's not why you watched, okay? And I met Yvonne and she's so funny and so great. But you guys know that you watched because of the Amanda and Kyle situation. Well, Carl is coming on because everyone's dying over Carl Lindsey. Let me tell you something. I love Lindsey. Carl and Lindsey are also rage-baiting you or like whatever they're doing, they're lying to you. It's like Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson. They will never be a thing, okay? Mark my fucking words, but you guys are eating at the fuck up that they're just gonna keep on taunting us like that. And of course, I love to see them being best friends again, which is lovely in and of itself. But I feel like people look at that friendship and are like, maybe and I'm here to say no. But what I'm trying to say is it makes sense to me as a human for Amanda and not want to put herself in that situation at the same time we're all thinking it, what is your job gonna be Amanda? Amanda, why did this guy fuck up your life? However, I don't like blaming West for all of it. Like she's a big girl. I also don't like exaggerating that side and being like, stop infantilizing Amanda. Which I feel like Kyle does do. Like Kyle is the one who says it's all West's fault. But it's not West's fault. She's a big girl and she made that decision. Did she think that that decision would cost her her whole world, her husband, her friends, well, her husband, but her friends, her career, like did she think she wouldn't be able to be a reality star because she'd like cheated, like she's reality star. I don't think I'll cheat. Not on their best friend. That's the caveat, not on their best friend. So what is going to happen with Amanda? Maybe she'll go in like a traitors or like a, you know, maybe something like that. Now, like following her real life. Also, if the rumors are true and she's not filming 'cause West isn't filming, then don't do that Amanda. Don't attach yourself to a man. Anyway, let's move on to today's guest. I, you guys are gonna hear me cry about this because I usually, you know, I've been doing good since Addison Ray. I think I'm dressing for my podcast. I'm wearing sweaters and jeans and flats and I have my little uniform and I'm cute and lovely. And I usually like myself. Today, knew I was gonna have a super model on and stained my shirt with makeup, which you guys already know because I tell you everything. And then I was like, fuck, I didn't have time 'cause I never leave myself enough time. So I put a, like a, like a cropped trench on over it. And I was like, no problem. I'll just sit in the trench by the end of you and be around fucking Peppa Pig looking piece of shit. That's what I did. And guess what? I was then beating myself up the whole day, even though the interview, the interview was so great about what I looked like that I was wearing a jacket that is like oversized and round. So when it's just like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And that's how I felt. I was like next to a supermodel. You can have like, amped it up. You decided to, to amp it down, like I don't understand. But anyway, she's not just a supermodel. She is a business owner, entrepreneur. She's a mom of four boys. You heard that she is a wellness guru that eats bison and venison for breakfast. Of course I'm talking about Miranda Kerr. - I have kids, yeah. - So you have two boys? - Oh my god, you did your research. - I heard. - You have two boys, they're younger. - I have a six year old and a two and a half year old. - You're two and a half year old. - And my six year old just went seven. - Oh, thank you. - Four boys. - Yeah. - Let's start there because, wow. - Four boys. - Four boys. People are, 'cause I know when people have three boys, people are like, you have three boys. And I haven't, I don't think, met anyone with four boys. So you probably get like, you're like, how do you do, like, what are the responses to that? - Yeah, people are always like, you have four boys. And there was like, you know, try for a girl. I'm like, I'm good. I love my boys. - Yeah. - I used to be a tomboy growing up. So I think it was just like meant to be this way. - Yeah. Okay, so. - You got to know and hold 'em. (laughing) - No one went for them. (laughing) - We should do karaoke. - We should. I would do karaoke with Miranda Cara. I haven't done it in a very long time. - I love karaoke. - Really? Like with girlfriends? - Yeah. - Sometimes with my husband, he likes to sing. - Really, what's his go to song? - Neil Diamond, sweet Caroline. - Okay. Oh, he's like old school. - He is. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your go to? - Should I try and. - What? - Well, the chicks now, right? They call the chicks. - Yeah, they're still making music. ♪ Who doesn't know what I'm talking about ♪ ♪ Who's never left home, who's never struck out ♪ - I love the mood that we got you in today. - Oh yeah. - Woo! (laughing) - Wait, so we were at the Four Boys. - Oh yeah, back to the Four Boys. - Back to the Four Boys. - They also like to do karaoke. - Who also like to do karaoke? - Yeah, they do, actually. - Do you know, the song that kids love that I'm always, I'm like, did imagine Dragons know their song was meant for, you know that song? - Yeah, I know. - Believer. - Believer. - They love that song. - Do you know, as well, my kids love Brian Adams, the summer of '69. - That's from your husband, probably, I feel like. - No, you know what? They heard it at school with one of their friends. And then next thing, you know, he's like, "That's my favorite song." I was like, "That's so cool." He's like, "Yeah, we've got a band at school." - Wait, how old are they? So you have the two and a half is the baby. - Yes. And I have a six, well, he just turned seven. And then he, his brother, who's eight, they're 15 months apart. - Oh, wow. - I had like two kids during COVID and diapers. And then I have a 15 year old. - Right. - Teenagers. - Teenager. - Warning. - What? 'Cause I heard boys as teens are easier. I mean, I guess you don't have to compare to the girl teenagers, but that's what I hear. - I mean, teens, I think in general, for me is the most like challenging stage. - Tell me why. - Because I think, you know, they've been under your guidance for so long and then they're coming out and they're wanting to have their own autonomy, but they're still learning. And you still wanna be able to guide them and protect them. But you also want them to develop that autonomy and make the right choices. Like my ultimate goal for my children is it doesn't matter what environment they're in, they're making the right choices for themselves. And as a parent, I believe that's my biggest responsibility. It's not about making sure they're always safe in the right environment. It's like I should feel confident that I have raised my child in a way that no matter what circumstance they're in, and of course everyone makes mistakes, but and you learn from those mistakes as all humans do. But my goal is for my child to feel that they've got it no matter what situation they find themselves and they feel confident enough within themselves. - Yeah. - To speak up for themselves. They feel confident enough to, you know, give me a call. They feel confident enough to feel like they can make the right decisions for themselves. And they're not always going to, but like, that's the goal. - Confidence is, I agree. To me, confidence is like, if there was an easy way to like teach confidence, or give, great, but that's always my, 'cause I know that's how I was raised. And I think God, every day I have confidence, 'cause I know how important that is. - Yeah. - And when you see people that don't have it, you're like, you only had confidence. Like, you could do so much, or and you want to help them. So I feel the same way with my kids. It's like, I just want you to be confident. - Yeah. And whatever it is you're passionate about, whatever it is you're interested in, like really, Follow that, don't try and be someone else that you're not, don't ever, you know, compare yourself to someone else. Like you are you, you're an individual spirit, there's no one else like you in the whole world. Cultivate you. Cultivate like your passions, and all my boys are so different. And I just want them to be the best versions of themselves, just like, and that's a daily, you know, being a human being, that's a daily, like, process to want to be a better human tomorrow than what you are today. If I see my kid like being a copycat, it kills me inside. Yeah, you don't, I'm like, I'm like, you're a mom, because that's so important to me. It's like, to be yourself. To be yourself. Yeah. I want that because so and so has that on my, or like, that's why I think, yeah, I love it when my kids, you know, beat to the rhythm of their own. Yeah. And they make decisions that they feel good about, and they're, they follow their passions, and they're doing what lights their little soul up, because what lights their soul up might not light someone else's soul up. And that's what makes the world so beautiful. Do they know who their mom is? I mean, like, model, like, what do they think that you do? Oh, Flinders. Oh, Flinders. He's the 15 15. And then probably the eight-year-old, a little little bit, or but not really really, maybe, but not really, because I mean, by the time I had them, I wasn't really, I'd kind of stepped back from modeling. I was much more focused obviously on being a mother, first and foremost. And then my business, and I was working from home. So they know a lot about my business. They do. And we were talking, we have Sunday brunch every Sunday after we go to church. And we were talking about, oh, who wants to be the one to take over mom's business? And they were discussing like who could be the one to take over mom's business? And then my seven-year-old was like, oh, I think I'm going to take over dad's business. There's competition there for sure. Yeah. So they're aware of what dad does. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which little probably never be allowed to go on or something. But here's the thing, I think that every household has their own rules and they have to figure out what's best for them. Like for us, with Flynn, we're like, obviously he wants to connect with his friends and they're on Snapchat. So he has a phone. He has a phone. He obviously needed a phone because he had to go back and forth between Orlando and my house. And I have like the parental settings on there so that I can, you know, restrict what he can see and not see or what you use. And then they have family center on Snapchat. So it's not like you, you don't, it's not like spying on your kids, but you get to see who their friends are. Okay. So you have an overview that they're not talking to people that you're not aware of. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's actually their real friends. And that's what Snapchat's all about. It's like the real friends. Pushing Snapchat. Love Snapchat. Snapchat me that if it's cool. Remember that line in that song? No. What's it? What's the line? What song is that? You're just full of singing today. I love to sing. Just a joyful little thing. You're a joyful little thing. Well, let's start a little bit from the beginning. Obviously we all know you and love you. And Victoria's Secret Angel started modeling at 13. When did you move to New York? I wanted to know. I think I was like 21. Okay. So try to that. Yeah. And prior to living in New York, I was living in Japan. So after I graduated high school, I moved to Japan. I celebrated my 18th birthday there because I was young for my year. And then I moved to Paris. I lived in Milan. I lived in Spain. And then eventually I landed in New York. So you were probably a gorgeous baby. I mean, I feel like I grew up in this little country town, right? And it really was not focused on what you look like. Like we were just I was outside. I was riding horses. I was riding dirt bikes. I told you I was the tomboy. So I wasn't really into the only fashion thing I was into was my grandma. She had this big trunk and we would play dress ups. And she had this like really beautiful long velvet red dress that like she would babysit a lot of kids and then obviously my cousins. And so we would all play dress ups and then we would play school teachers and then we'd, you know, go down the flying fox on the backyard and we'd have like little picnics outside and then I'd make mud pies. Like we were just, you know, living the country kind of life. So there really was never an emphasis on what we looked like. So when when her friend mine entered me into a competition, it's called Dolly magazine competition. Oh yeah, I saw that. When she entered me into that and I won, I was just like, I kind of felt like, oh, wow, okay, like it was very surreal. And then I was like, wow, and people were giving me compliments, but I was never used to people ever giving me compliments for the way I looked. Like it wasn't, it wasn't something that I grew up like getting compliments about or even with boys. I remember I had a crush on a boy and he had a crush on like the girl above us. And it just like broke my heart. I was like, oh, I wish she just had a crush on me. So, you know, I didn't really have kind of any idea like how people perceived you know, people perceived me. What do they have in Australia that sent in something poppy? Yeah, told poppy syndrome. Okay. That's a thing there. Oh, it's a thing. Yeah. And it's a positive thing. It's very different in America. I think in America, if someone is successful, they really help build you up. And they're like, yeah, go. I think that's amazing. Okay. That's not what you grow up with in Australia. It's like, if you get too big for your boots, they're just getting like cut you down. And it's a way of keeping everyone humble. It's a way of keeping everyone grounded. It's like, I think it originates from England, but you don't really talk about yourself in Australia. Like you ask people about themselves. So when I actually had to do all these podcasts and things, like it actually took me a long time to be able to be comfortable talking about myself because I'd rather I'd rather sit here and interview you and have you tell me all your deep darkest secrets rather than the opposite. Right. Because that's what comes naturally to me. We'll be right back after the break. I think I've talked about my obsession with hero bread before and how much I love them. 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because I was just a little girl in the countryside like where am I catching a plane to and I was like wow this is cool and then we landed and I remember going to the photo shoot and it was like it was called pioneer studios it was like the equivalent of milk studios here and so you know the lights and the you know everything's very white and then they have like people coming in with coffee and tea and all this and that is not what it's like in gunna-da let me just just show you that's what it's called I'm from a tiny country town this was like something out of a movie set next thing you know there's racks and racks of clothing and I'm just looking at the clothing oh wow this is nice I want could I wear this and they were like no honey you need to wear this brown outfit here I was like oh I've never worn brown before and I like that's what you're wearing like I had no idea that models didn't get a choice into what they were wearing I was so oblivious and so there I was my mom was there and I was sitting in here and makeup and I remember the makeup artist saying wow such a beautiful skin look at those eyes I'm thinking I should complimenting me like she just trying to make me feel better so that I can give her a better picture like in my mind I was so wondering why she was complimenting me I wasn't used to anyone ever but you won this poppy I won this now everything's dully dully dully dully dully magazine I won the cover of dolly magazine and that's like a teenage magazine it's like teen vogue okay so it's a big deal oh it's a big deal so did did you start understanding like oh wait like I could do this thing modeling remember when I actually won on stage I was like wow like me are you sure like the other girls were beautiful and I was like I don't know I was in shock I was like I was so young and I was so like wow and then my mom said to me you know this is something that you can do on a school holidays or on a weekend here and there but this is not something that I'm ever going to let it affect your education and if you ever let any of this go to your head it'll be the minute you stop so cut you yeah cut your back down stay humble realize the most important thing is how you're your kindness and your heart yeah and keep that and you'll be able to keep doing modeling if not you're out because you because it sounds like then because you liked it you enjoyed the experience I mean I was it was very foreign to me to have all of this stuff happen yeah yeah yeah and back then we weren't even shooting digitally we were shooting on polaroids and film so like when the photos came out I was like wow like because you didn't really have any idea apart from a small polaroid it's gonna look like right and then you'd look at the polaroid with this little magnifier and you'd be like oh okay I'm like now it's like check the camera yeah like crazy so yeah I've been so since then it started taking taking off so then I just finished with school after I graduated school I then moved to Japan and had a contract in Japan and lived in Japan and learned the language a little bit and like to speak Japanese and the culture and I was like wow this is amazing I get to experience all these beautiful cultures and travel to these beautiful places in the world that I never would have had the opportunity to travel to mind you on when I was 16 I did a student exchange program oh yeah well actually maybe 15 to Virginia and my I experienced for the first time snow on Christmas because I was there over Christmas I remember walking outside and just being like she's like come and put your shoes on you can't go out there with the fair feet we how did you decide to do the exchange program oh a couple of my friends we the three of us decided to do this student exchange program it was part of the rotary exchange program and they connected us so I got connected with so I was a gymnast and I got connected with a ballerina and then my best friend Lauren is a basketball player so she got connected with a basketball player and then my other friend Allison she's like a cowgirl so she got connected with an American cowgirl and so we all went over with different families but we like traveled together on the plane it was our first time traveling internationally the three of us together like 15 year olds and I just remember thinking wow this is so exciting and I remember thinking when I landed there are the roads so big America and the food is like supersized me and super wow and then my my host family were so kind and and they introduced me to like ranch dressing and I was like this is delicious and now no more ranch to me but I was like do you keep in touch with the host family yeah you do Megan special yeah they they were definitely like a big part of my life and they were so sweet and her mom used to make me like sandwiches every morning and biscuit and gravy for breakfast it was that was foreign to you probably too now yeah biscuits and gravy I don't think I ever even had that it was so good oh yeah like having biscuits and gravy in Virginia I yum in Virginia damn yeah and then and then then I went to my first like cheerleading rallies we didn't really have that in Australia yeah no like taz well bulldog oh yeah but that's what I mean you're a gymnast so you could do the like yeah but I'm a cheerleader I wasn't oh you weren't they didn't really accept me on the team - Oh, because you're only an exchange student. - Because I'm just an exchange student. The thing that blew my mind is I grew up with a uniform. And my uniform was like, same thing every day. You either have a shorter version or a longer version, long skirt, and I was at an all-girl school. So, well, that was actually the second half was at an all-girl school. So the first half it was co-ed up until 10th grade. So anyway, point being, I had a uniform my whole school. And then I went to America and they're like, wearing all these clothes. And it's like in the movies with these big yellow buses. And I'm like, wow. - Wait, so you were a year, you were like a junior here. - Yeah. - Okay, that's like a, were parties happening? Like what's happening at that time? - There were. - Yeah. - There were parties happening. - And people were probably all over you because it's like the hot exchange student. - Well, I had a boyfriend at the time and, you know. - At home. - At home. - Is this the boyfriend that-- - Posterous. - Yeah. - Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. - Yeah. - Yeah, was that, 'cause I thought you wanted to move away after that happened. - Yeah, we did. - I read, okay. - Well, we did move. So actually, we had moved to Queensland. That's when I started at the All Girls School. Like, we'd moved for like, she was three months like before that happened. - Oh, before that happened. - Yeah, so I was, you know, I spoke to him that morning and he had said, I'm so excited. Will you come down for, have your cousin drive you down for my brothers birthday? Like, this party he was having at the house was like a housewarming party. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm not coming 'cause I wanted to surprise him and be like, surprise, here I am. But unfortunately, by the time I had gotten there, I think it was like, he had left like, maybe 10 minutes earlier. And when I was sneaking into the party, I said to my cousin, I was like, don't feel like he's here. Like, I'm really intuitive and I can feel things and I can, I don't know, it's just the way I have always been. I was like, I don't feel like he's here. And she was like, what are you talking about? I'm like, she's like, it's definitely here. I'm like, I don't feel him at the party. And then I saw his mom and they were like, just wait, he'll be back. He just went to go and get changed. He'd just been at work all day and then he wanted to go get his youth and bring it because they were all gonna do circle work 'cause he's really good doing circle work and like, you know, cutting up the grass and yeah, and it was on his way back that the accident happened because there was a plow on the side of the road and it was a full moon and he had gotten his car taken off the road like the week before because something went the headlight and so he didn't have his headlights on. So by the time he saw the plow, it killed him instantly. So that was it. And so I was looking for him all night but we obviously didn't go that way because it was the back road. And my cousin was so tired from driving all the way down from Queensland. She was like, Miranda, like, I'm not gonna keep driving. You'll see him tomorrow, it's fine. And so I stayed with a friend of mine and then I just remember the next morning my uncle came to the door and automatically I just got up out of bed. They were like, oh, your uncle's here to pick you up and then he told me the news because obviously my parents were back up in Queensland and but we were all very close knit, like my boyfriend's family and all of my family. So when he told me the news, I just remember like my whole world just stopped and I remember seeing the guy outside mowing the lawn and I'm thinking, this is so weird. My world has stopped but other people's worlds are still going. - Yeah. - And so that was what, and then I just remember going to my grandma's house and she put me in this room that we would stay in and she's like, don't worry, love, just relax. I'm gonna get you a cup of tea and I just needed to go through the process of trying to understand what happened. And it was like, you know, at that point, like part of that grieving process, I was writing a letter to him, you know, to put in with him when he was buried and in part of that letter, I had said, you know, my first born son will carry your name, which is why Flynn is Flynn Christopher. - I didn't know that, I just got chills. - And so I think-- - You made a promise and-- - I made a promise and I think like intuitively, I feel like Chris is like really watching over my son, Flynn, and really protecting him. And Flynn actually wears a pendant saying Christopher as well. So it's kind of, you know, it's a thing. - Wow. - And then I'm very close with his parents, like, speak to them, you know, at least once a month, like his parents are still, they like, we grew up together, you know, we, he was my first love. And throughout, but all, I think it's been very healing for both his family and I to remain close. And like, I'll always send his mom like a little emoji of like a sunflower because that was the flower that is very representative of him. Like, he would come to my house with this huge sunflower. And it's like the size of my head, the actual flower. And he'd like pulled it out on the farm roots and all. Like, so the roots, so it was like taller than him. And the roots and all the dirt were like on my front porch. And there he is, like, with a big smile. I got this for you, Rand. - Rand, do you call this Rand? - Yeah. - Yeah. But he was like very much like my dad. And he was very much into cars and V8s. And he taught me how to do circle work. And he taught me. - You're saying circle work, like we all know what that means. - What do you call that? What sounds like gardening or? - No, no, circle work. Where you like, you go round and round and you dig up like the grass. - Oh wow. - When you're like, or you was like a man. - Like a man makes man. And like I would help him fix the car like them. When he was having to repair the engine or put extractors on his ut or put a hot dogs on the back of his truck or whatever. I was there like his sidekick. Okay, can you pass me that? Yes, okay, I'll pass you that. Because I was used to that with my dad. So he was like very much like my dad. And the irony is, ever since, I've definitely dated people much more like my mom, my mom personality. So my husband now feels very similar to my mom personality, mother's personality because my mom was extremely dedicated hard worker. Like someone say workaholic. And my husband is too. They're just really passionate about being active and working really hard. And that feels really comfortable to me. So I mean, I'm comfortable that my husband's like that. And it's just interesting to me that subconsciously I chose not someone like Chris or my dad again. Like I was like, okay. - Like I've done, you're keeping that separate. - And actually I realized the other day that I have, I have, you know, had a few people pass close to me. And I realized that Chris's funeral was the last one that I ever went to. - You made a choice not to attend a funeral anymore? - I obviously did subconsciously. I didn't realize until I realized the other day. I was like, because I mean here's the thing. I think it's wonderful to go and pay your respects. But I remember when right before my grandma passed, she said, don't come back love. She said, you know I won't be there. I'll be with you in spirit and as much as, you know, it would be nice to have everyone there. I know how much you love me and I love you and nothing will ever change that. So you don't need to be there. I don't want you flying all that way over with all the kids. And that was like around the COVID time as well. - Oh okay. - So she knew how difficult it was to get in and out the country. - I have a question because I feel like people that I've talked to, like I'm like death really scares me. Like I can't talk about it if my mom says like when I die I'm like shut up, we're not discussing it. And I've noticed that people that maybe have experienced people close to them dying are more comfortable like talking about it. - Oh yeah. - Are you like that? - Even before this happened, I have always like never been afraid of death. - Really? - Even as a kid. I was like, I always felt like it's such a privilege and a gift to be here as a human and have this experience. But I never felt fear of like what was coming next. And I probably put that down to my grandmother and the fact that she would read the Bible to me and to really, really grew that spirit of faith within me from a young age, like from as long as I can remember she would, and my grandma, she was very joyful and she was very, very good storyteller. So like if she would read me Bible stories, they would like, she put a lot of her personality into it and then she would ask me questions and like, well, obviously, why do we need to worry? If God says I will take care of the sparrows, it is not you don't need to worry. Like you, you worth more to me than sparrows? I think so. You are my divine child. And so I was like, okay, okay. And then every night we would sing the songs that she taught us to sing before bed and then would pray before every meal. And I think those kind of anchors were really helpful for me in my life. - Oh, wow. Need to teach me some of that. - Yeah, because it just, I mean, the thing about prayer, it's like, it can be so simple and it also can be super effective. And like, really strengthen wherever you're at in your life and like, surrendering, forgiving yourself, forgiving others, having peace with yourself, understanding that you're like a human being and no one's perfect and there's always someone better off than you and there's always someone worse off than you. Do you get like health anxiety at all? Health? Yeah, like worried that God forbid something will happen or that, you know, do you get worried about that stuff? Okay, I feel like being a mother, you naturally want to be as healthy as you can so you can be the best mother to your children because when things happen for you health-wise, you know, which is inevitable being human being. 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Um, him after your ex, I mean, technically ex-boyfriend or really at that point, Orlando had already met his parents and known about Chris and you introduced them. Yeah, yeah. So they come and stay with us like Evan has obviously met them as well. Wow. That's super special. They're a huge part of my family. Yeah. Wow. So they are my like extended family. They're like your extended family. Yeah. And you were how old? 15. 15. And now I'm 43. They were literally just over here about a month ago. Yeah. And are they still in that town? They've moved about an hour away from that town. Okay. So Orlando knew what he was that this is part of your life because I could see another man saying that's lovely. Yeah. But I don't need my son being named after someone you were, I mean, there are jealous guys out there, you know? Yeah, no, both Orlando and Evan were completely fine with it. And I remember Orlando was like, oh, let's call him Errol. I was like, Errol, like Errol, like Errol Flynn. Okay. 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So I was actually playing ping pong with my kids on and then air hockey because we have this little setup for the kids, you know, we have four kids. So we have like this little air hockey and ping pong table. So I was over there doing that with the kids and I was like, oh, good time. I want to watch the girls. And so I put it on in the background and then my eight-year-old was like, mom, what's that? Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's what mommy used to do. He's like, what? And then my seven-year-old was like, mom, what do you mean you used to do that? Anyway. And then you said, no. - Yeah, because I was really seriously considering it. Like I obviously just walked Stella McCartney and I had a great time, like you can tell. My energy was like, wow, this feels so good to be back on the runway, I love this. And I felt like really an alignment with where I was at. It felt very like elegant and I loved Stella and it was just great. And then when Victoria Secret asked me, I was like, ooh, that could be fun and I thought of all the fun memories and how playful it was and how that would be so cool for me to get back out on the runway and give them a wink. I was like reminiscing about all the fun things I used to do and I got really excited. But then I was like, then I got kind of anxious and then I was meditating and I really felt into how am I actually going to feel when I'm up there on the runway, everyone's in their underwear, I'm in my underwear, I'm 43, I have four boys, I'm just like, I got like this knot in my stomach. And as much as I tried to meditate and ease it, it was still there. And the only way I could resolve that is to say, okay, you're not gonna do the show, how do you feel now? And then I felt-- - You felt better. - I felt the knot in my stomach released. And so that's why I knew it was the right decision for me not to do it. As much as I was wanting to, something in my gut-- - And would listen to your gut. - Yeah, I'd listen to my gut. - You literally, people say listen to your gut, you literally listen to your gut. - Yeah, and it was getting closer and closer to the time. - I'm sure they tried to convince you. - And it was a lot of people that work together with me. - It would be a huge moment. - And it would just like, come on Miranda, come on. And I was like, I hear a lot of noise around me right now. And I appreciate all of your feedback. But like, when I meditate, which I meditate every morning for 20 minutes, I just was feeling this like knot. And it just wasn't feeling, wow. - It wasn't feeling expansive the way it felt for me when Stella asked me to walk her show. And, you know, I was like, it was like, I checked in before the Stella show and it was like, definite yes. But this felt different to me. And I can't really explain it why I just-- - It feels like maybe you don't feel connected to that image of you maybe anymore. - Maybe, yeah, it feels like, and it also feels like that was then, and this is now, and I'm at a different stage in my life. - A different stage, yep. - And I really love those beautiful memories. And I love all those fun pictures. And I think one of the last shows I did was here in New York and it was like the New York post. I was on the cover and it said, God hates us, but at least we have an angel. It was like me in this green outfit. My husband, Evan actually framed it for me because it was like pretty cool to have. Meanwhile, I don't know where that is 'cause we don't have any photos of me in my modeling in our house, but he had given it to me to put on tonight. - Oh, you don't have one of you on the wall? - No, it's not just on the wall. - I just have lots of family photos around the house. - Well, I respect that a lot because it's hard 'cause a lot of times, you know that when people say, do what scares you or do what-- - Yes, I'm all about that. Like, have the courage to-- - So how do you know, like, is that not, 'cause I have some fear or some, or is that not because-- - It wasn't right. - Right. - Well, like, obviously before Stellar, I had the nerves, but it was different. It was like butterfly nerves. It was like-- - I love that. - Butterfly nerves, and then when I was thinking about doing, like, in my mind, thinking about doing VS, I was like, yeah, that'll be so fun. I'm gonna be there with the girls and Rosie's coming back and, woo, it'll be so fun. I'll love that. And then when I sat with myself and I felt that my gut was saying, no. I was like, woo, that's interesting. And then I tried to, like, visually see myself there and I was like, woo, and I actually even had a dream. The night, like, before I said no, that, like, I was there and I was feeling like, discombobulated. Like, I wasn't feeling like I was in the zone. - Wow. - And so, you know, I just did another meditation that morning and then I was like, I literally have to tell them that what an honor to be asked to walk back, like, as a 43-year-old mother of four, like, that's really, like, I feel very humbled and honored that they would even want me. You know, they have so many other choices of all these beautiful young women, what an honor that they even approached me. But, and I said to them, like, thank you for that. And I got really excited about the potential of doing it. But then I realized it just wasn't-- - Do you feel like this is, that means, like, never again, or is the door still open? - Hmm, I just have what, right now, I just feel like it just was the right choice for me to not, yeah. - What do you think about, well, one more question about that? - But I'm not fashion, as you know. But, like, fashion shows-- - Yeah, no, different, I'm talking about the two very different things. I'm talking about Victoria's Secret. But, if you wouldn't have gone asked, that would have probably-- - If I wouldn't have? - Yeah. - I mean, to be honest, every year, my agent's like, Miranda, do you want to-- And I'm like, eh, but this year, I was like, kind of like-- - Okay. - Because it was the 20th year since, you know, 2006 was the first year I walked. So it was a special moment. - Like, it could have been like a 20-- - 20 years. - Yeah. - Wow. - So yeah. - It could have been fun, but-- - Yeah. - I don't know. - I just feel like I'm cherishing those moments, like for what they were-- - Yeah. - And really, so grateful, a lot of gratitude in my heart for that experience, and for the platform that they gave me to then create what I'm truly passionate about, which is my skincare line. - Yeah. - And health and wellness. So, yeah, I'm really-- I'm just grateful for it. What did you think about some girls posting about not getting asked back? - Oh, I mean, that's obviously sad and disheartening, especially if your hopes were up and you thought that you were gonna be doing it. And obviously, in modeling is a lot of rejection. And that's part of the job, unfortunately, not everyone gets asked back. And you really need to try to not take that personally. - How did you handle rejection in your career? - I just really honestly feel in my heart that if something is meant to be, it will be. So, I've like, if it's meant for me, it will be, and if not, then something better will open up. And so, I kind of had that philosophy for a long time. So, if I got rejected from doing one certain job, I'd be like, okay, that's not meant to be, I guess I'll just see what happens. And then I always knew that I was very passionate about health and wellness. So, I was never coming from a place of fear because I had other interests. And I was continually like studying biocorrespondent. I became a certified health coach. - Did you study nutrition, right, specifically? - Yes, study nutrition became a certified health coach. And I just knew I was always passionate about that. And I knew I kind of took every job as if it could have been my last, because you never know with modeling when your last job might be. So, you kind of have to make, hey, while the sun's shining. And that's what I was doing, you know. - And Barbara, Palvin walked six weeks postpartum. That was talked about a lot. You also walked two months postpartum in Balenciaga. - I did, yeah. - So, do you remember that? Like, how you were feeling and all that? Like, you can relate. - I can relate, but at least for me, with Balenciaga, I wasn't in my underwear. - Right, that is true. - That is true. - Yeah, so, I mean, I think she looked beautiful. And I think what they're doing now with embracing, you know, such a diverse range of women and really embracing women at kind of different stages in their life, different ages in their life. I think that that is a beautiful thing. And the fact that she felt confident and comfortable doing it, I think that should be celebrated. And she was really, seemed to me that she was really thrilled to be there. - Yeah. - And her husband was cheering her on from the stage. - Yeah, that was it. - She looked so proud. - Yeah. - So, I mean, it's amazing to have that moment and to be doing that. And it's really, it's really sweet. - Well, let's talk about core organics because I love it. I'm a fan of the brand. We've even talked about, I remember we talked once. - DM. - Yes, about using, what is the one called that you could put on your face, the round 2B1? - Oh yeah, we don't make that one anymore. - You don't? - No. - The blue, the turquoise, really? - We don't make that anymore. Well, because what happened is, we weren't called to remind me. - The face balm. - Of the face balm. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause I used it on the kids too. - That was so good on the kids, but the non-englo face oil is just as good for the kids. - Oh, okay. - And the non-englo body oil is also amazing for the kids. - And then the, what else do I love? The retinol. - Oh my goodness. The retinol, alternative. The serum and the moisturizer, they just blow me away with the results they're getting and the fact that you don't need to use retinol in your. Have you, do you use like, retinol as well? You don't. I only use these products and guess what? We specifically studied die-hard retinol fans. Do you get better results using my retinol alternative, right? Which uses Bacuchioil and SAE, or do you get better results using your traditional retinol? 85% said they got better results using my products. For fine lines, for wrinkles, for firmness, you just see online, you can see this woman like her neck was literally like, it's lifted after using the serum. Oh God, I'll slather it all over my neck. It's really amazing. The results. And I'm just like, you don't need to use unnecessary synthetic chemicals to get results. And all of this started because, you know, my mom had tumors in her spleen, so I wanted to create a line of products that were, you know, certified organic from day one and results driven. And when they started working and giving myself and my family such great results, I was like, okay, I've got to share this with the world. And here we are. How many years. How many. When did you launch? The concept was 2006 originally, and then I launched 2009 in Australia. So it's been 20 years in the same way. Wait, that's crazy. So you're like an OG celebrity skin care brand. Yes. And you're like. Yes. Not only that, this is not a licensing deal. This is my baby. This is something that I built from the ground up with my own money. I still own 95% of the company. I have a 5% investor from day one. I, you know, make every decision. I'm a bit of a micromanager, although I've tried to back off, my people being their passion, which is important. Give them, you know, a little bit of leeway to make the decision. From celebrity founders, I feel like, say, sometimes like, we want the brand to like stand itself. Speak for itself. Right. Yes. Like, we don't want to be like, you're buying it because it's. Of me. Do you feel that way? Yeah, that's why my name's on the back of the packaging. It's not on the front. The brand is core organics. What was the name from? Oh, it's basically from my original concept of the brand. I wanted it to be about taking care of your mind, body, and skin. So, and I see that as your core self, mind, body, skin. So, then I was playing around with core, with a C, and then, and then I ended up using core with a K, and then it had just did like a really nice ring to it, and obviously my last name starts with K. Oh, yeah. It all just felt right. And then I had read that core was like a type of Buddhist meditation. And, you know, I've been meditating since I was 17. I'm obviously Christian, but I really appreciate, you know, meditation and the stillness it brings. Have you ever gone to an ashram? Yes. And I've been to Bhutan, which I thought was amazing. You've done like a non-speaking thing. Oh, I haven't. I have a best friend who has been wanting me to do that with her since we were 18, and she leads them. Oh, wow. And she's really incredible. And it has been so profound, you know, for her in her life. But I have not had, you know, eight days to be able to go. Right. That's true. I wish that I did. Yeah. And at one point, I will, but I haven't had eight days, like either prior to kids eight days off work. Right. Or eight days now, because I don't want to be away from the kids for eight days. Right. And I'm not sure my nervous system would like be able to like shut off. I know. Because when you're a mother, you're one. When you're a mother, you're just kind of like constantly checking, checking, like I'm like, you can't be offline. I like to feel into each of my children and like, oh, okay, okay, feel into them. And then obviously I FaceTime them, but like, like, I'm literally away from them for one night. I heard the travel plan. I came. I just, I came. I did three TV interviews. Then this morning, another TV interview, then Elle Magazine, and now you, and then after this QVC. And then I'm flying back to my boys. You can see them in the morning, and I'll be doing a school drop off in the morning. Mommy's do it all. Well, let's talk a little bit about your wellness situation. I'm sure you, you know how viral your interview with Chris and Cavaliery, when with that venison. I mean, that was so crazy. Leon, expected. How did you, how did you receive this because I'm swear, I have friends that like, because you know, like pop culture people are people will know, but I have friends that like are barely online. You know, like everyone is aware of the venison for you know, venison and bison breakfast. I mean, how did you, you didn't expect that? What was your reaction to seeing it go so viral? Well, I was just like, this is funny. This is really funny. Okay. It must be slow news day because like me having bison for breakfast, like, I'm not saying that's what everyone has to have. This is what works for me. She asked me if I ate eggs. I'm like, no, I don't eat eggs. Like, unfortunately. So she know. No. And she's like, okay, okay. Right. No sushi. No sushi. I'm like, well, you didn't meet someone like a little bit on your level. You know what I mean? She, she's almost there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure. I think she's ex-sushi. Look, I think at the end of the day, like gluten was seriously aggravating my gut and unfortunately, the way gluten has now been genetically modified to the extent that it has, it's not what it used to be. So a lot of people have a gluten intolerance and they don't even realize. And if you're eating gluten, what I noticed, one of the first things I noticed when I stopped eating gluten, I had more energy. And I tell you why, because your body is trying to process something. And I can't remember the- You're dairy free, obviously. I'm dairy free as well. But here's the thing with dairy. If people really love dairy, of course, I would suggest a two milk because it's the A1 lectin that generally is the lectin that aggravates your stomach. Yeah, see that A2, but I never knew what it meant. A2 milk means it's from a different type of cow and it doesn't have the A1 lectin in it that generally is the lectin that aggravates when you get an inflammation response from dairy. So at home, I have A2 milk. My kids don't notice it tastes exactly the same. Right, right. And it's dairy. Yeah. It goes milk for the little one because he really likes that. And I drink coconut milk. So like, there you go. We're going to- What brand of coconut milk do you drink? Well, I drink the A1 coconut milk, which you can't get here, but it's like- Okay. We don't have that here. So what do you do here? Like, when you travel, how do you make a adjustment? Actually, we'll follow with me of an A1 coconut milk, I know. But you know what? How do you keep- You can blend it at home. Like, you can blend, like, if you get a coconut, you're not doing that. Okay. If you're going to do that, I mean, just- If you're on it because your coffee is important to you. Yes, my one coffee in the morning is really important to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you want another one, is that crazy? Today, I must have another one. Okay. I must, because I will- Well, why not? Like, just- The reason why I wouldn't have another one generally speaking is because I'm really focused on getting a good night's sleep. And so I want to give a good eight hours since I've had a coffee, minimum. Okay. And I used to be, before I had kids, I was in night-hour, like a natural night-hour. Like, I would just come awake when the sun went down and I was like, "Woo!" Not even necessarily going out, although I've had plenty of nights where I've gone out and partied to all hours in the morning back in the day, especially living in New York. Yeah. So much fun. Yep. The memories are coming back to my mouth. The memories are just coming back. New York, New York. Oh, I had a great time here. Let me tell you. But anyway, I used to love even just pottering around the house and reorganizing things. And it would just be like that time of night and I would have the fireplace on. Like, I just loved it. And now that I have four kids and my husband loves to go to bed early, he really taught me the value of going to bed early and getting up early. So now I'm like, early to bed and early to rise. What? How early to bed? I mean, hopefully by 9.9.30. But when are the kids going down, like, do you have any alone time? Not much. Right. That's the problem for me. But then I wake up and I have a alone time. At 5am, you wake up. Yeah. And then you have like an hour. An hour. An hour. So that to me, because like, would the kids wind down routine, like, we're eating, I eat with the kids. My husband's obviously still at work, but I'd like to eat with my kids. I, as I said, I work from home most of the time. So I'll have an early dinner, around 5pm, I don't know. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. Also, Turkey, a little bit of chicken sometimes. Okay. You know, just getting the protein in there and duck actually. And duck. Yeah. And do you cook? I love to cook, but I'm not currently cooking at the moment. But I actually love to cook and I said to my boys, I'm going to teach them one recipe per week. So then they know how to make some of my recipes. I have a feeling that there are such good kids. You know, I feel really proud of them. And they grow up with you. So it's like meditation. Well, they each have their mantra. So I practice Vedic meditation and I had a teacher, my teacher come and give each of the boys their own mantra and do a whole ceremony. And so they now have their own mantra and the little ones, so the 15-year-old who meditates with me for like 20 minutes. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's hard. Yeah, he's really good at it. He gets it. He gets it. It's not every day, but at least three times a week. We're meditating together in the morning. And then my eight-year-olds, he will sometimes sit with us and yeah. you know, the guideline is for their age. So he could sit for eight minutes, seven year old, seven minutes, and the baby doesn't have his mantra yet because he's just an angel anyway. So maybe when he's like five. - Well, I'm so sad. I feel like we're almost done right, Alexis. - I'm having such a great time. - I know. - Wait, what sign are you? - Why, 'cause you love me? - Yeah, are you a Leo? - I'm a Gemini. - My husband's a Gemini. - Really? - Yeah. - He doesn't give off Gemini aura. - He doesn't? - Aren't Gemini men supposed to be like Kuku? - Oh, is he have some Kuku to him? - That we don't see? - Oh, maybe. - Do you get along with Gemini's? - I do. - We are of Aries. - Aries. - Yeah, so fire and air. - Fire and air. - Which hour's getting hot in here? - Okay, so I'm gonna do a quick, yay or nay, your takes on these wellness fads. - Okay. - Collagen supplements. - No. - No, right? You pee them out. - Yeah. - Okay, so all the, like, mix into, okay, great. 'Cause I'm not doing that. Create a tin. - To me is a no as well. - Okay, I agree, I'm not doing it. Those probiotic drinks, things that have added probiotics to them. - I specifically tested a bunch. I have one who can art, you'll get, like, that tested that high in Biffordophilus. A lot of them don't. - I'm picturing you. Like a laugh call. Like goggles with, like, test stroke. - I had my, you tested. - I had my gastroenterologist specifically test the Biffordophilus. - I recognize that word. - Different, you get to see which has the highest Biff. - Yeah. - And. - Oh, coconut, coconut colds probably has now. - I didn't test that. - Okay. - The one, I'll test you, I'll send you a photo of the one I have. It's in a glass jar and it tests that it has high Biff. So I have that every day. - Okay. - But you know that it drinks, like, a lot of, like, things are added probiotics. - Yes, I know, but unfortunately, they're not. But a buffalo. - What they say, they are. Sometimes their bacteria is dead, not alive. And you want it to be alive. - Alive. - Obviously. - Yeah. - Okay, have you seen that trend of people eating that bowl with, like, beef, cottage cheese and sweet potato? - No. - What do you think of that kind of meal balanced wise? - I don't know about the cottage cheese. I mean, beef, sweet potato, cool. - Okay. Colostrum supplements. - I don't know. Some people are into that. - You're not. - That's what you're doing aside from the venison. - Yeah, I do vitamin C and D. - Okay, great. Electrolite drinks. - You know, I have something called true hydration. - Okay. - I need one of those. I wonder if I bought some with me. - Like, T-R-U? - T-R-U, hydration. You can buy them in little bottles or the bigger. - That. - Really into that, yeah. I've noticed a big difference and I actually have, I test my hydration levels and they've gone up. So I'm really into health and wellness. And so that's why I think it's so important. 'Cause if we take care of ourselves, then we can give so much more to everyone around us. - Well, can you say she's the real fucking deal. Miranda, thank you for coming. - I just so much. - Thank you. Thanks for having me. - That was so fun. - Thank you. - Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram @notspinnybonofat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big, virtual smoocheroo. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you next Tuesday.