Minnesota ICE Killings is the Breaking Point: Flagrant Ep 689

Can I be honest, if I had to choose who I would rather have in my place, no question Miles over Mark. - Really? Oh, such a good house. - What's 100%? - Such a good, Miles a clean up after himself. Miles would probably do dishes and shit. He would feel very guilty about it and really overcompensate. Mark would take this shit for granted. He came in your tub and didn't even walk it down like you don't want to go to take a shower after like a weekend on the road and then step in another man's tub. You're saying you don't want to walk into your shower? Open up the shower currents. I thought that was really interesting to you. Jerking off into the shower and not clean it and then closing the currents and like hide the evidence. I opened the currents and I splat step my foot right into a pile of it on C-Bad. A pile of comb that hadn't congealed yet. He kept that bath and was just warm enough. He kept it just warm enough to me. - It's so beautiful. - Yeah, the liquid form of comb. And I stepped and I just broke it and splattered it. - Don't go. - Yeah. - I didn't know that you were sitting outside the tub. It's like location, location, location into the tub, not in the tub. - Oh yeah, well, yeah. - I was lying down. - I think it was lying down in the tub. - You got a toilet. - No, no, you can't go in the toilet. That's crazy. - And down in the tub is a crazy. That's a committed way. - You were lying down in the tub. - There's no way you're left. - No, no, no. So you're standing up in the shower and you jerked off onto the floor and you thought it would drain in and then you forgot to do the water. - Yeah. - And then I went to take a shower and then I stepped on a sticky step since. - You've been up since. - You've been in so many sinks. - How did you not think the sink was-- - What are we talking about P here? We're talking about a man. - No, I'm just saying, he's already-- - We're talking about a man's come on the bottom of my foot that I've never recovered from. - He might have. - To this day. - Can I be honest with you? To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left. - Something. - Something. There is some sort of like lotion substance that hit my foot and I have a softer right heel because of that. Don't even say you're welcome. Don't even try to own it. - I'm just saying, you need to bottle that. - That's what I'm saying, huh? - It's a fountain of youth. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, it kind of is. - You guys all want to be younger? - It is the fountain. - Yeah. - It literally is the fountain of youth. - Beef talent. - Yeah. - Literally. - Never have to exfoliate again. - Yeah. - This is all very easy. - You know what's crazy? - Yeah. - Well, what is-- - What's crazy? - What's crazy? - Miles was homeless and had a cleaning lady. - Yeah. - That is fucking crazy. - That's fine. - That was crazy. - Miles and none of you guys took me in. What about that? - I took you in. - No. - I want to stay in my apartment. - For a night, okay? - You could stay in there as long as you want. - You mean that? - Yeah, because you got really comfortable. I feel like you thought it was your apartment. - Yeah. - You could come in things and not clean them up. - Well, what's going? Did you not shower after? - No. - No, I didn't. - It's him. - That is the craziest thing. (laughs) - Isn't that the craziest thing that he jerked off? - Allegedly. - And then didn't wash after. - He healed. - Wait. Did you wash him? - It takes more work than not, but you wash him. - If I had foreskin, I would wash it. (laughs) - Right. - You just pee and blow a bubble. (laughs) - But you wash every time you stroke your shit. - Well, I usually stroke my shit in the shower. - Well. - While I'm showering. - Okay. - I don't know if you got naked. - Got into a shower. - Yeah. - Stroke your shit. - Just talking. - And didn't turn the water on and left. - Okay, so you didn't wait. - Wait, wait, wait. - Wait, wait, wait, wait. - You keep the hoodie on. - Are you guys just getting this? - No, I don't. - I thought my mind was showered. - Yeah. - It's a showered jerk. - Then jerked off, but like didn't wash it off. - You have the condition of settle. You didn't even have the time. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Five minutes, you're in there out. It's efficient. - Exactly. - You had a dry jerk, but it shows. - That's what I said. Lay it down fully, lights off. - That is insane. - And that's the jerk off that we know about. - Yeah. - There's no way that you only jerked off once that weekend. - Yes. - That might have been more times, I don't know. - He's young. - Young Mark. - You're gonna be the clown. - This is-- - Might have been more done. - Yeah. - This is how I know that he did it more than once. - Oh. - Because only if you did it several times, would you forget about one? - Mm. - That's a good point. - It's like five or six times, you'd be like, "Oh, I gotta make sure I clean up all my paper towels and my little tissues. Oh, if I got it on his pillow, I gotta flip the pillow case or something like that." And then you just forgot about flipped. - You know, he's fucking jerking off in my bed 100%. - 100%. - If you flip it, it's like a new pillow. - For real. - See? - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - I called me back from going on a fucking carpet and I was telling you. - That's disgusting. - Like, that is repulsive thing. - 'Cause you don't even know who's going in there. I know one person's going in there. - Yes. - That's fucked up. I did just strange. Just into your friend. - Yeah, exactly. - Isn't that crazy? I don't think we've talked about this enough. Like, it's just hitting me again. Like, what happened? - It just dropped a load. - You're the most savage placing your life back then. - Yeah. - You fully processed how fucked up it was. - I know. - But you're not mad about Miles drinking off in the studio? - You know, it's interesting. Because we did find the loop here. We all remember this story. - Yeah. - Right? And, you know, obviously there's somebody here with an extraneous circumstance, you know. That they have to use loop. - Terminal. - Okay. - Wait, what are you talking about? - Are you talking about Miles and Terminal Gang? - No, not that at all. And I think they've-- - Wait, David's Terminal Gang? - No, David's Terminal Gang. None of them are terminally gay. I mean, I guess you could make the argument that they're like, if you're gay, you die. - Everyone's dying. - Everybody's dying. So, heterosexual, homosexuality, both terminal illnesses. - Good point. - 100%. But yeah, there was some loop around here. And I thought that somebody was having sex in the studio. I didn't think that was happening. I thought you were doing it with that girl from Athens. The Greek girl from Athens. I thought you were bringing her to the studio. She was doing unthinkable things. - Not Athens, Georgia. - I thought you meant that. - That's like, dude, I don't know what we're talking about. - I don't think I have any sex with a girl from Georgia. There's black women there. Miles, with what we know about you, you're going right to the source. European whites. - Yeah. - Blime. - Yeah, true. - Okay. - It was not having sex in the studio. - But. - That would be smart. Tomas. Fuck a waitress. Now she brings free food. - Mm, guy. - Yeah, that would have been. - I was doing a lot of away games at that time. Just trying to sleep anywhere. - Why were you homeless here, though? I don't understand. - I was between two apartments. - Well, how long? - 45 days. - Again? - No, I was. That was at the time. I was homeless for 45 days. - Twice? The first time in Brooklyn, 45 days. Second time here, how long? - We were overlapping the leases at this studio in the old studio. So I was bouncing between them. - Oh, you were living large. - Living large. - Two places. - Two places. - You guys were playing with Matt. He's guy. - Yeah. - We're not playing yet. - Yeah, there's two apartments. - Two places to stay. - Yeah, so many spots. - I say, hey, come over. He goes, now it's fine. I got my own place. I want to have women over all time. - Wow, that's fine. - Landering. - Dozens of women. - You think they would bring women back to your house to step another guy? (laughing) Do you know how masculine that is? A girl goes to the bathroom and wash off. - Yeah. I think I have to listen to this guy banging headboards all night. I'm trying to sleep. There's no headboards in this studio. (laughing) - I don't even have a headboard at my own apartment. - That's how I know. - Headboard is overrated. Why do we think in this headboard thing? - Women make it. - Wait, wait, wait. No, it's not. - What do you get out of a headboard? - It just doesn't look like you're a fucking only fans girl. - Tell me. - Yeah, like if you just have a bed and nothing. - I just have a bed and nothing. - You might have another career we don't know about. (laughing) - No, women forces get headboards. That is true. - My wife didn't, we don't have a headboard. We have a nice bed module. - Yeah, they make you class up the joint. That's like a thing. - I got it, okay. Yeah, it looks subjectively bad. - Things on the walls. - Yeah. I don't know art and no headboard. I'm sort of, I'm drinking orange juice out of the carton feeling real good about like being a bachelor right now. - You want this guy to stay in your place? - Yeah. - When you like. - Can I be honest, does it bother you at all? - What? - You didn't let a mile stay and we teased you about it? - Yeah. - It bothers me that miles is hurt. (laughing) - That's my favorite answer. (laughing) - It's just like, it bothers me that he thinks something bad happens. (laughing) - I think, nothing bad happens. - It's okay, it turns out I feel great. (laughing) - Oh my goodness. - It's all very hazy. It gives a different time. I was abusing a lot of substances. I don't really remember everything. - All right. - I was going through a lot. - What were you abusing it? - A lot of coffee. That's my first dark drink coffee. - Ah, yes. - Yes, yes, yes. - Sugar, there was a lot of sugar. - A lot of sugar. - I was doing a lot of sugar. - COVID. - A lot of Jesus crackers or something. - Yes, exactly. - A lot of high off the Jesus' stuff. - It was a dark time in my life. And I wasn't a good friend of mine. - Are there places that have better wafers than others? Like a certain church is known. - Oh, interesting. - Like a good wafer. - I don't think so, yes. - I think they buy them in mass. - Yeah. - Oh, that's fun. - Look at you! (laughing) - Yeah, no, it's all standardized. So there's just one wafer. Nobody throws a little extra sugar in that. - What does it taste like? We're not allowed to eat it, actually. I have to. - That's true. - Yeah. - I got told I wasn't. I went to church with a buddy. And I guess I didn't know if I was. - You didn't do communion? - I didn't know if I had communion. - But when you go up there, you have to do this if you're not Catholic, like you're not allowed. - Yeah. - You're going to hell. Even though you're at this church, I need you to know you're going to hell. - Even if you're Catholic, if you're not in a state of grace, if you committed a mortal sin, you haven't gotten a confession, you can't take it. - Oh, so if you haven't confessed, you can't take the body. - It's a mortal sin. You killed somebody? - You killed someone. - I didn't pure thoughts. - No, if you acted on them, sex was out of marriage would be considered. - What about leaving your best friend homeless with 45 days? - I think the priest would look into it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What kind of friend? - Yeah. - I heard a good street chat. - No bad board. - What about when you pound town, you never want to, like, No, very. - I married, I married, I married, I married, I married. - Sometimes it, I married. My wife has been pregnant for the last four years. (laughing) - And there's no grab onto a hat or a pound town. - It's already recovered yet? Oh, you are? Okay, let's get the doctor to put something else in there. (laughing) - The last five years of my life, I played no role in putting babies in my wife. - Yeah. - Isn't that crazy? - Isn't that crazy? I mean, I don't even think I said a text to the doctor like, "Oh, thanks for this family, bro." (laughing) - You gotta shout out in the special. (laughing) - That's nice. - That's huge. - I know, I didn't even use his real name. (laughing) - I should have, right? Like, I don't know. - I thought that maybe he wanted his privacy. - I could see it. - And what if my kid goes up and shoots a school? (laughing) - Do you know what to be in there? - He's kind of part of it. - That's exactly okay, so. - We hope that that didn't happen. - No, I hope that that didn't happen. - Okay, bring Guns to school. It's not peaceful protest. That is just as long as you know what I'm saying. You can bring Guns to school, exactly. And the teacher shall also have guns, but you're protesting. - Yeah. - Yeah, you can't do it. - So are we gonna make this up to you? Can you stay in my house now? - No. - No, 'cause I need it now. - Yeah. - So you only need me when you need me, huh? - Desperately allergic to cats also. So I can't do it. - Oh yeah, there was somebody. - We had a cat at the time. - Yeah. - All right, that's fair. (laughing) Thank goodness he didn't stay. - I think Mark has, Mark has a piece of cake. - Is it thought about this? - I think he's thought about this and I think he feels fine with his decision. I don't think it bothers him. - I've told you, if Mark wasn't religious, he would be a sociopathic, super powerful, super rich, evil, he'd be like sleuthler. - Possible, I'm already a piece of shit. And I'm doing my best. - Why are you a piece of shit? - Well, his friends are homeless and he makes him sleep. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's that for sure. - It spends a lot of time outside of the house instead of being a father. - There's that. - Damn, are we just banging on Mark today? What the hell is going on? - Hello, we're friends. - Six or a year. - Yeah, that's how it happens, dude. - I just love it. - You just noticed things over there. - Who's a great guy? - Oh, this is a great guy. - No, I'm a piece of shit. - He's a fantastic guy, you know. - No one in the studio is a great guy. - He's a great guy. - He's got a gay podcast studio that he's expanding around the world. - Yeah, yeah. - That's for all the years home, folks. (laughing) - He's making up for the night. - He's a tone. - He's got to give these gay people voices. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - He's like, he's like, they should be able to speak about it. Yeah, you got to give a pie to like, somebody you bullied in high school. - Oh, yeah, that'll be funny. - Actually, I never bullied. - Really? - Yeah. - You were an accidentally bullied? - I tripped the kid one time and then I felt really bad about it. - Really? - Yeah. But like, he was like running down the hallway and I was like, oh, this is gonna be so good. - Oh, no. - And then he went flying. - Big backpack too. Backpack comes over the head. - If you apologize. - I did, I did, I did. - I was really. - When the kids get the backpack with the wheels, are the parents not involved in that? They're not going like, dude, you're gonna be fucking ripped apart in school. Like, I think about that. - I only knew one dude of the backpack with wheels and it was the tight end on the football team. Six, two, black guys. - So you're not saying that? - Yeah. - There's just a roller on the college campus. That's kind of swindered. - The backpack was fired. It was some little white nerd and you got a backpack with wheels in it. It's like, yeah, you're gonna go through hell. - Yeah. - And the parents should know they should be aware of it. They're like, this is a bad decision for you socially. - Yeah, but when you're a kid and you want something in your parent, you just want to make your kid happy. - Also, weird kids, oftentimes with kind of weird parents. - That's true, that's true. - I didn't realize this until I went to my weird friends' house and I was like, oh, your parents are also kind of dorks. I was like, oh, this all makes sense. - What happened without saying names? I mean, just like, he was just kind of like my dorky friend and I went over to his house and then his parents also-- - Parents also-- - He was also right. - Yeah, yeah. - He was like, dude, my dad was never a dork. - But you're actually, that doesn't check out. - 'Cause the dad is super slaggy. - Miles also, if you can just check. - Remember when everybody in the high school found out. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And that makes sense. - Playing in the end? - Yeah. - Yeah, there you go. - Where's the number 10 dog? - I don't understand my face. - Yeah. - There's no room. - There's no room. - Also, God forbid he gets out the shower. - I know, man. - Oh my goodness, dude. - He only see him one. - Yeah. - He slips on semen. I think flies out into bed. - Yeah. - He's just like, they come that big. - Yeah, exactly like that. - Yeah, you can't risk that. You're dick, and then you look at her like, "Man, you ain't seen dick's before." (laughing) - Yeah, you girls do your compliments. You're like, "I gotta keep her on brands and spend it." She does not know what is out there. She does not know. - Yeah. - It's like the Native Americans who've never seen a ship. (laughing) You know what I mean? They just stare it off in the distance. Like, is that a UFO? Like, that does? Like, they God. - I don't respect for men. I feel like I need to correct the record. - Okay. - I want to like pull the video and be like, "No, this is a piece." - I tell my wife is AI. (laughing) I tell her it's AI. I'm like, "No, man, you can't believe that. That's Sora." (laughing) - No way, that's a real dick. - That guy right there? - Oh my God. - What would you even do it on that? What would you even fucking do it on that? - Oh, that's smart. That's crazy. I would fucking hurt ya. (laughing) Dip like that? But then I might get you pregnant naturally. (laughing) - This can't be a child. - This can't be a child. - It's like that. - You're not even fucking mind. - Yeah. - What's wrong with you? - Yeah. - I just like to spur Bailey up to swim. - Yeah. - It's there. - Yeah. - They just got to jump over. (laughing) - Remember when Jackie Titanic got on the ship? - Yeah. - Because I was a little weak, and I still got to do it. - Yeah. It is dangerous. It is dangerous. We gotta start that campaign. Like, big pieces are dangerous. - Well, didn't the fucking, who was it? The Greeks of the Romans did that? - Oh, yeah. - What was it, which one was it? - I thought it was the Greeks, but maybe I'm wrong. - Yeah. They tried to do, they tried to gaslight women into thinking small dicks were more masculine. - Yep. - Got a lot of time that would've been for me. - Yeah. - But like, this is the beauty of propaganda. - Yeah. - Like, we forget that sometimes propaganda works for us. - Yeah. - Like, when the government's on your side, when the king is a little dick, and he's like, "These big dick motherfuckers are hooligans." - Like, they're like beasts. You don't want them around. - Yeah. - Michael Andrews, David. Can we pull up David real quick? Why does he just have a regular one? - Yeah. - He's a regular one. - He got a little one. - He has a little one. - Got big hands. And they say it's 'cause he's afraid and he's staring at Goliath. - Goliath. - Goliath. - And that like, it's a fear response. - That's so dumb. - His dick shriveled up. - No, no, hold on, hold on. - No, that's a fear response. - This is the supreme man. All right. This is what men are supposed to look like. - His hands and feet are twice the size of the average man in his penis. - God, that'd be horrible. - That's horrible fate, dude. My shit matches. You know what I mean? But if I had big hands, I'd be like this. I feel, I feel horrible. I once asked the girl, do I have big dick energy? She said, no, I said, thank God. (all laughing) I can't handle it. (all laughing) - Woo! - Gosh, the fucking moment. - So that is a good-ass point. Big dick energy came back far. - Yeah. - Little dick energy and then surprise is probably better. - Exactly. - Like the Asian with a regular dick. - That's huge. - It probably gets the best reaction from the girl that they're hooking up with. Because they're going in, whereas like the black dude with a regular dick, it's a disappointment. - Yeah. - Like every, when they see your shit is only like eight inches and three quarters of an inch. - Right, they're like, that's it? - Yeah. - So I got this. It was all like that. - Disappoint. - That shit is blah, blah, blah, blah. - Yeah. - Yeah, still at the base. - That's like all the migrants. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Why are you a dick running daycare? (laughing) - Tell you a dick to stop the daycare from all that. - That's how the big ass forehead. (laughing) - Oh man. - This is the zombie smile. - All right, let's see it. - Today on Ancient Reef. - It was preferred small penises as it was thought, a man with a large penis was a barbarous half animal with no self control, while a man with a small penis was smarter and closer to the wisdom of the gods. - Let's go. (laughing) - Let's go. - Let's see that. - And that got the foreskin on it. That's crazy. - Yeah. - That's addin' ham. - It felt like a very groomed pubic hair. - Are you sure? - Yeah. - Are you sure? - You got hedged up. - No, it's not. (laughing) - You got a dainty line. - You got a dainty line, I'm dude. - Yeah, man. Greeks, man. You tried it. - It should probably work for a few hundred years too. - Probably. - Mm-hmm. - Like, big dick dudes were like tucking. (laughing) Just had a sheer fear that people would think they were partying. - Yeah. - They were still in supplements. Like, dude, this will make your sister shrink immediately. - Dude. (laughing) - All right, let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis. I smirtered an American citizen in cold blood and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist. - Yeah. - That's it. Like, plain and simple. - Yeah. - I see the administration trying to spin it and it's fucking disgusting. - Yeah. - It's like, they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage, we're gonna try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his first and second amendment rights. Right? He has the right to protest. He has the right to carry a firearm. He's a legal gun owner. Right? There's no question about this whatsoever. And the administration immediately comes out and they try to gas like the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened. - Yes. - And that is what they do though. - But that is what they do. - Yeah. - I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened and you're not gonna just lie to us, plan simple like that. And yeah, it's just, I mean, to me, it's like you can have, first of all, I know we've had Trump on the podcast. I know there's probably people like, you guys are the last ones that I wanna hear talk about I don't think any of us are having this conversation to like curry any goodwill or get people to like us or something like that. This is something that is undeniably abhorrent and we should be called out. Simple as that 'cause disgusting. - I get the frustration. People are like, "Oh, but you guys were with them." Dada Dada. - Yeah. - I get it. - 100% I get it. Again, if you never want to watch another thing again, because we have a trauma that is totally fine, respected, I completely get it. Be 100% allowed to be frustrated. - We made that decision knowing it was open to criticism. - All right, there it is. - No knock on any criticism. That being said, like moving forward, we don't just like stay silent when something has this. Like if we do have a platform, there's people that we're talking to. You know, and we see something that is just so blatant. There's no like partisan bullshit with this. If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened. And there's something disgusting that's happening. Not only in Minneapolis, I'm sure it's happening in other parts of the United States where it's ice is under the guise of security, right? Under the guise of safety, 'cause that's what they're doing, right, is every time something horrific happens, they keep going, well, look at the pedophiles we got. Look at the murderers we got. Look at all the violent criminals we got. I looked at the numbers. It's 5% of the people they've deported are violent criminals. - Yes. - There's probably more pedophiles in the Oval Office. (laughing) - No, exactly. If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you're not releasing a Epistemic list, just shut the fuck up all of you. - Yes. - I don't wanna hear anything else about, oh, we gotta get and deport the pedophiles. They're right here. They're right here. - There's a list of them and you're not exposing it. And this is the thing that we've been asking for, even before Trump was in office. - Anyway, point being is you see this act and then you see ice and the way that ice is operating, right, with, I mean, masked guys, no name tags. - A hundred percent. Like I heard people bringing it up and like, sometimes people are trying to go like, oh, you're exaggerating and no, no, no, no, no. You have to understand it's like you have a government in force militia with no accountability for training. Inexperience, poor training. Obviously, you saw from this circumstance, no effort to de-escalate if anything, efforts to escalate the situation. And yes, it's absolutely, it's absolutely disgusting. And then when you see the administration defend it, you go, well, where will the accountability ever come from? This is a government enforced agency and the government is backing them immediately without even reviewing the tapes saying that they did nothing wrong. So you have guys that you don't know their names. You don't know what they look like, that the government is backing with impunity. What do you think is gonna happen? More of this is gonna happen. - Joey's from Minneapolis, obviously. He was saying they have more ice officials or whatever than they do law enforcement, like actual police officers in Minneapolis and St. Paul. And apparently they have a quota of people and that's why they're in such a rush to arrest as many people as possible. They're doing things that objectively, objectively. I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, objectively are unconstitutional. So no matter which side of the aisle on, you would like to uphold the constitutional a little bit, right? Like you can't enter someone's home without a warrant and not some like federal administrative bullshit warrant that they're trying to like skirt around it. You cannot enter someone's own without an actual warrant. I think it's like the fourth. - Judicial amendment, or judicial amendment. - Yeah, exactly. So it's like, and they're just entering homes. Dude, I saw them arrest somebody for having an accent. And the ICE agent that arrested him had an accent. Did you see that video? And the guy was like, "You got an accent, dude." Exactly. And it was just like, you're seeing, I mean, obviously for the situation of them deporting legal residents, like we, at a certain point in time, and I think this is why there's zero support for this. I think it's important to speak up because I've spoken to a lot of people who are seeing it and they think it's important. And they go, I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about it. I don't know if they feel like exposure to Trump or whatever, like that. I think those are the moments where you gotta speak up, especially because-- - Kim, you see how Trump moves. It's like, hey, you speak up, you're out. - All right, then you're out. - Who gives a phone? - And that's the problem. Everybody in his administration wants to be there. - Well, then I'm even talking about people in the administration. I'm just talking about regular people. They were sympathetic to some of the immigration reform that Trump was talking about. And then realizing, no, this is not what they wanted at all. And now they're just kind of quiet. They're worried about like getting licks or getting public lashings or criticism on the internet. - You can do. - Get it. Get it. And anybody who wants to criticize us for a platform, 100%, that is fair, 100%. But that doesn't mean you just stay quiet. Like if you see something that you look at and you're like, I don't think this is America that I want to live in. And which is the sentiment of everybody right now. There are a few like ideologues in there that they're trying to defend this. I'm sure you guys will see it. But I think the majority of Americans are looking at this and they're going, this is not a country that we believe that we are. And we can't continue to support stuff like this. And I think it's important to talk about it. - I'm just going to give you push back. - I don't think the criticism that we're getting for having a trip on is fair because one, we've had people from both sides of the eye on and it's like, we've never been a podcast. That's like, hey, you should listen and do what we say or tell you to do. We're just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation with the guy running for office, running for presidency. We wanted to have Kamala on as well. So it's like, that criticism, I don't think it's fair. They're just because we had them on and now they're like, oh, everything bad he's doing, we're attributing that to you just because you had them on and I don't think it's fair at all. 'Cause that's not what you wanted. If he came in here and said like, oh, hey, we're going to forcefully remove all of these illegal immigrants the way that they're doing it, we wouldn't be for that. - I'm more than. - A lot of push back. - I mean, we specifically push back. I specifically told them I was like, dude, you hired illegals. - Yeah. - You know, like I was saying, let's have pathway decisions or let's have some empathy and he's like, we're going after the criminals and maybe I naively believed that he would do that. But it's very clear just by the numbers that that's not what's happening. And they're using this bullshit of like, we wanna make sure you guys are safe and secure. How is this more safe? Tell me how this is more safe. - I don't feel any safer. - Walking in any downtown of any city I perform in, it doesn't feel any safer. - Yeah, it's also, it bugs me when there's a false dichotomy where people are like, yeah, dude, you can't just let the borders be completely open. So this has to happen. It's like, well, there was a time when, you know, people were coming in illegally and then they were deported humanely and then I think there is a way to do both. Right, like Obama deported people that there was done with civility and like keeping human integrity intact. Whereas this seems like it's intentionally cruel. - Yeah, and intentionally chaotic. - Yeah. - Like, I don't know, if someone comes in illegally and like, you know, they get caught and then they get deported, it's like, I think most people are like, yeah, you know, kind of, GG's, and they were aware of that risk when they came illegally. - Right. - And again, I don't want it to happen. I wouldn't want it to happen to my friends. Like, I think the price is doing is awful. But again, it's the cruelty and like, that cruelty is a feature of the system. - And it seems to be rewarded by the administration. - Right, exactly. - And at bare minimum, defended. - Yeah. - With zero reflection or accountability. I was shocked that they each echoed the exact same sentiment. Not a single one was like, hey, we have to look at the footage. Immediate knee-jerk reaction. It was like a group text went out like, hey, show strength. That is exactly what happened. - Yeah, a group signal text went out, guarantee you. - And that's the most concern in thing to me. Because like, we can see in like the line of duty, like shit happens, right? Like, I don't think the ICE officers are going out. How can we shoot an American citizen today? - Right, I mean, yeah, I think they're going out to like intimidate people. But like as far as like killing goes, I don't know. But as far as like the the recourse that happens after an event like this, you would hope that there's going to be some kind of fair third party investigation in holding people accountable, right? - Yeah, but Trump, the grossest part of the Trump state. - That's what you want to have. - The gross part of it. - We've seen his first administration. He doesn't like being held accountable for anything. - The right. - And I don't think it's any different. - The part that got me in a statement was immediately deflecting to Ilhan Omar and how she has so much money, which is the thing. But like someone is dead and then within two sentences, you're trying to deflect onto Ilhan Omar being crooked with money, which I do. I think she probably is. - Looking to that too. - Yeah, they say the fucking time in the same statement. - But just as you want accountability for her, if that is fucked up or if it is crooked, then we want accountability for this. - Yeah. - And accountability for her is not accountability for this. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's fucked up, man. That's just horrendous. - And by all accounts, he seemed like a good guy. Like he's literally like a gun owner. He's a, like as far as like the American sort of like stereotype goes like he's working with veterans, a legal gun owner protesting, doing all the right thing. - Probably voted for Trump. If we just look at the facts, this guy's supporting veterans. He, again, legal gun owner, which in and of itself, usually that's a single issue thing. - Yeah. - So it's like, I mean, you got no sympathy for one of your own. - I guess, regardless. - I'm just taking away your second amendment, man. - Yo, you saw him say that. - I think one of them said, I forget who. It's like, why would you take a gun to a protest? - Yep. - Yeah. - And I've seen this all over the internet, but people are like, where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse? - Yeah. - No problem when he took a fucking AK to the protest. - Yep. - So which I think is an incredibly fair argument. - Yeah, it's, yeah. Even talking to like my conservative friends, it's like, imagine in the future, which this probably wouldn't happen because I just don't see it being a, like a future of the Democrat party, but like, imagine two cycles from now, you have a, you know, democratic president. It's like, hey, we want to make sure every gun owner in America has, you know, the right paperwork, all the right registration for the weapons. - Instead of going after a legal, they're going after gun owners. - But you just want to make sure everyone has the right paperwork. That's all. - Stopping in the street. They're like, you look like a gun owner. - And they're sending mass people around at people's houses that have guns. They're like, hey, we just want to make sure you have all your weapons. That cool, that it, like you'd be pandemonium. Like everyone would be like, why are you doing this? And I don't want to be furious. I don't want to push back against that too. - I don't want to live in a country where you just have like massed agents going around, like checking people and around people. - Yeah, but because it's happening to brown people, people voted for it. - Mm-hmm, like he said, he was going to do this. Not in the manner that they're doing it, but he did say, hey. I planted the port as much people as possible. Like I think the argument would be like deporting people that are not legally here in a humane or kind way would be much more digestible than this horrific shit that we're seeing. And not saying that those people that are important couldn't then get legal status at another time, me personally, I would rather a pathway to citizenship. But if somebody goes, hey, we need a strong border and we should have laws and if you enter the country illegally, you should be removed and then try to reenter legally. If somebody said that, I wouldn't go, you're crazy. Yeah. And Friedza Karya, who is a liberal who I think is awesome, came on here and said, yeah, the Democrats gave asylum to too many people. It was just like a very easy excuse to get and we just let everybody get asylum. We shouldn't have done that. So again, I don't, I don't think what was going on before was good, but what is going on now is so undeniably bad. And yeah, I don't know if you remember like five years ago, we were talking about police reform during COVID and I was like there. If this was happening to white people, it would get a much different response. And I think Black Lives Matter should highlight the times when there was like police abuse or whatever toward a white person, a US citizen. And I think that's part of why you're seeing so much outrage. And I think that's the one silver lining of this thing is you're seeing abuse to US citizens white dudes. And it does, it hits people differently when they look like you. That's just what it is. The guy looks like you're not a bad person for feeling this way. When you see yourself reflected in a guy that's a victim that's getting brutalized, it hits you differently. And that's the one kind of silver lining of this very dark cloud is like, oh, now you're seeing it happen to everybody. It happens to everybody. And now maybe we should do something. I mean, like couldn't you just think about like if your face was shown on all those videos that are out there, if your name tag was present, if your badge number was there, wouldn't you act differently? Yep. And if it wasn't, you know, if you were a completely anonymous human being, you would also act differently. And we have to accept that given these circumstances and given the support, and I would even say like the push of the administration to behave in a certain way, you're just going to get more of this if you don't change it. Like, this isn't stopped today. If they don't change it drastically, we'll just have more and more of this, plain and simple. And it's probably safer for federal agents. Right, like if they have their body cam and they're accountable to the law, they're going to operate in a way that's going to not get them caught up and shit like this. So I'm like, I feel like it's just better for everyone. If you are operating in the law, I mean, I feel like that's kind of dumb that you even have to say. No. Say it. I just think it's important to say. I think it's important for us to say. And it's like, yeah, I just say, yeah. How do we get the current administration to stop conducting themselves in the manner that they're doing it right now? Well, I think the protest is the way to do it. And I think you're already seeing them start to back off from it. Like Trump's saying. Trump's going to fire maybe my fire fucking, I mean, he'll be, I think Bovino already got swapped for it. So Bovino got swapped. Holman's going in. Maybe he fires, no, or somebody's going to have to take the fall for it. And I think that they're, he said he's like, I had a great call with Waltz. The guy had called retarded for the last three months ago. I had a great call with Waltz and it looks like we're on the same page. But this is the example and the power of respectful protests. I have another thing you do is vote in like, that's the, the midterms are coming up. They're going to get absolutely washed in the midterms. If they even try to fend this or continue to fend this and continue these, right, they're going to get at, they were already going to get smoked and it's going to be a fucking bloodbath that this continues. It's not popular. Have you met one person like an actual human being? Not some like ideologue on the internet, like an actual human being that goes, yes, this is exactly what I want it. I haven't, but we're also in a fairly liberal place. Yeah, I don't have too many conservative friends. I mean, I reached out to like my people that are conservative, like ideologues, but also just like random, you know, like dads that live in Florida and shit. And even they were like, yes, it's not a good, like this is not what I want. Well, the bad sentiment lasts 10 more months. In terms of 10 months. The thing is though, I feel like they already know the midterms are lost. And that, I mean, this is like now conspiracy land, but I'm like, is this a push to be like, hey, this whole country's in disarray, martial law, we got to cancel the midterms. It's corrupt, yeah. Oh my God. Like, I know this is crazy, but I'm like, I think that would get met with crazy uproar. Yeah, but what if he could do it? This is also going to cause a shutdown probably. There's like a over the ice funding. Yeah, there's ice funding bill that's going to push there in the next like 10 to 15 days, depending on snow and a few other things. And this will probably cause a shutdown. So like that will dramatically affect how this administration navigates that. You know, it's, it's really unfortunate because like Trump has this unbelievable ability to take a bipartisan supported issue and make it into a culture war. Like, it's, he's unique in his ability to take something that everybody supports and then make it divide everybody right down the middle. This one isn't even divided down the middle. I feel like most rational people are like, this is fucked up. This got to stop. This is not the America we want to live in. Like, if he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on on the public thus, which was, we're going to deport the criminals. I don't know a single American that would push back on that. I'm sure there would be people, but if they're like, we're going to go deported. We have, they're arrested. They're in jail currently. They're waiting trial. They're people that have committed crimes and they're still illegal, but they're back on the streets. If he just sent those people back, do you think that there would be culture war about this? Do you think there would be mass protests? But like you said, it was only 5% of the people that had been deported, so his numbers would look low and it would look like not a success. He's not too in the job. Is that why they're just deporting everybody so the numbers look good for him? Yes. Why Minnesota? Why is he going to Minnesota? Is there something I'm going everywhere? Yeah. He talked about the first place. But I think Minnesota specifically just had the most confrontations. Okay. Yeah. But a lot of blue states. That's my interpretation, at least. So a lot of blue states. That. Okay. That's what I always want. Yeah. I think that the blue states are more often like sanctuary cities, where they're looking out to protect the illegal immigrants that are there. I mean, I think there's a lot of illegal immigrants in Arizona. Yeah, but I don't think. I have to guess. I don't think Texas. I don't think the state will protect them as much. I think the state would probably cooperate to get them the fuck up out of there. Whereas in Minneapolis, I think the state is a little bit more empathetic to them. And they're like, no, we don't want you to just do these fucking searches and we don't want you to. We're not going to have law enforcement go support you on these raids. I think that's where there's going to be some. Okay. Maybe not the state will push back, but I think the people, I think the people when you start taking people that they have connections with like, hey, you may be the home attendant or you may be whatever. Like, I have a relationship with you. And now you're just grabbing this person that that's, uh, love, then work with all this time. That's what you got to think about more like it's like you got to think about the restaurant that you're going to. Yeah. You got to work there. You got to think about your gym and the guy that you see working. You got to think about each one of those people that's being taken away, not the violent criminals, get them the fuck up out of here. But the people that are just being asked in the street, hey, you have an accent where your papers. Yeah. When you start imagining those people as these people you interface with on your regular everyday life, it just becomes like just horrendous. Yeah. It's fucked up. Yeah. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Yeah. And I don't have any like real faith in anything they do being out of any kind of good will anymore. I was willing to have that in before the election because I felt like liberals, they kind of fucked things up and then they're running common with it. Nobody really supports it. They just forced it on us and that's XYZ. But that got used up pretty quickly. And now I don't really think anything they're doing is with any good intention. That's like out the window for me. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think that they react to? Like, what do you think the way to get them to change course on this? The NRA is apparently pretty upset. And I think the NRA send them a lot of money and then that's going to make them react. They haven't donated that much in recent times. So they're not as, they don't have as big of a voice as they used to. So then what does Trump react to? Like what is, what is, does he react to the stock market? Does he react to GDP like what are the, what are the metrics that can be used to make the administration then to the whim of the people? I think stock market and popularity. Yeah. I think if his own people stop buying the BS, then he's like, oh, now I think like you said, I find another hustle. Like you said, his own people are being quiet. They didn't mind not agree with what's going on, but they're not, you know, I've seen talking about, I've seen, I've seen some like, like dudes were like, yo, I was at January 6 and this is fucked up. I'm not saying for this. I'm speaking out. I don't know. I'm on fucking, I'm on social media. I've seen, he didn't say I know. Yeah. I've seen these people on. We kept in touch. And Instagram, and I'm like, good for you, like that's fire because you're standing up for your principles. You're standing up for what you think is right or wrong. Like we might disagree on so many other fucking things, but that's the thing. It's like, I don't need to agree with you on everything, but I need to agree with you on basic right and wrong. This is wrong. There's no way to justify this shit. And I understand that there's like a lot, I understand when these kind of things happen, you know, most people just retreat to a side, right, because there's security in the side. Some things are so fucking blatant. It's just right or wrong. The side is right or wrong. It doesn't matter where you're left with the right. Nobody's watching this and be like, this is right. This is the America I want to live in. Unloading a clip in a U.S. citizen is wrong for exercising his constitutional rights. Yeah. Like don't bring up any bullshit. I think fucking even Kashpetel said something like, why would you bring a gun to a protest, right? And then I actually said it. He said that. Exactly. Like, are they not even thinking before they're tweeting these things? No. They're just following the company line. But the company line would say you should be able to bring your legal firearm where the fuck you want in America. Yeah. So it's like they're not even, they're scrambling to defend something that's indefensible to the point where they're going. they're willing to rebuke their own constituents. - Exactly. - They're willing to insult their own constituents. It's like, how dare you live a constitutional life? How dare you exercise your constitutional rights? You should just do whatever the fuck we tell you to do. - Yes, and that's why I'm wondering when his base is gonna open up and see that this is the play that they've been playing since. - Yeah, yes, it is a, it's like, it's an interesting thing because I think that we have like an all-time low expectation of government and like we have an all-time low expectation of faith or trust in government. You know, like government officials enriching themselves on both sides of the aisle, right? So it's like, it's almost like, it's horrible when we see Trump family make hundreds of millions of dollars on fucking mean coins. It's horrible when we see Pelosi do it. It's horrible with the Netbo baby shit. Like, it's horrible, but for whatever reason, we're almost like desensitized to it because we're so used to it happening, right? This feels distinct. This feels different. This feels like something I haven't seen in my lifetime, I've never seen this. It's like, this isn't like run-of-the-mill political corruption and cronism. - And to me, this doesn't feel there. Like during the BLM stuff, like I feel like cops were killing people and immediately they were trying to turn the person who died into the aggressor and like make them the reason why that situation happened. - Like Philando Castile. - Yeah, like before an investigation happened, it was like, oh, wait, he sold drugs back in the day or he used a user or a gang member or something. - Yeah, that's a fair point. - So this is not new. - That's a fair point. - This guy was white, Alex. (all laughing) - And that's very new. (all laughing) - Okay, this guy's top. - No. - This is the guy. - This is the guy. - I've seen it, bro. - I've seen it so much. - I've seen the folks in Minneapolis. - Like I've seen them, I've seen like some liberal folks in Minneapolis say that they were buying guns and they were, you know, want to make sure they could defend themselves against tyranny, et cetera. And it's like, again, I grew up in New York. We weren't allowed to have guns. I don't have any kind of like, confatuation with guns. - But what? - No, you finished your point and then, 'cause-- - But like, in a weird way, does this highlight, - I can't believe what I'm saying, but like the importance of an armed republic. - And you know it's crazy because of what just happened. I'm second guessing whether or not I should get the gun that I'm currently applying for. - Because you're worried that if you had a gun in an altercation like this, it would put yourself through-- - Literally, he was just doing the right thing coming to this woman's defense. - Yeah, I know. - That was an crazy thing. The ice officer, I don't even know if anybody's talking about like throws the woman to the side. - He throws it out, like he's just trying to protect her. - No. - There's no way you do that. - What's that? - The only pushback on that. And I just was reading online like sort of things about this. - What you wrote? - Yeah, 'cause I was reading what I wrote just a second ago under my burner account. But some people, some Concilcare people are saying that he should not involve himself in an escalating thing while armed. - Go fuck yourself. - So that's the argument that we were saying. It's like, okay, what would we say to our children? We would say that. - Yeah. - We would like, hey, don't involve yourself in a conflict like that if you are armed, your race and the stakes. What would we say to any of our friends? Comply with law enforcement. That's what we would say to anybody that we care about. We love because we want to see them come home at night. That's what we would say. There is a higher expectation that we have for law enforcement. - Of course. - And the reality is that a lot of these ice dudes, these aren't like lifers working for ice. A lot of them have like six weeks of training. So they're under-manned, under-trained, and zero accountability for their actions. And no identity to reflect upon. - Yeah. - You know, it's like. - And we would tell people, hey, don't get involved. But I know myself. If I saw a wrong happening, I'm going to. - I did that shit and you ended up in prison this week. (laughing) - I saw something wrong. - Yeah, I did that shit and I ended up prison too. - Yeah, there are not the black men in the stab. That's the time we're in Ghana. I'll do it again. (laughing) - But yeah. - Yeah, so that's a shit. - Yeah, he did the noble thing. He did the heroic thing. That's what you hope your son does in general, but even though the selfish party's like, no, just come home. But if your son did that and survive, you'd be so fucking proud. - Yeah, he also has a medical background. - Who better to like be around? - Than someone that actually is like a medical training to assist. - That's what I was like. - I was really thinking and I was like, holy shit. 'Cause I know what's I have it. I'm a have it all in me. (laughing) Always. - Yeah. - So I'm like fuck. - That could be me. - Mm-hmm, yeah. - I mean, that is something to consider though. Like. - No, I'm still get it though. (laughing) - I mean, obviously you still get it. But it is something that is always concerning. I can imagine when you carry in a firearm, things can escalate to death very quickly. I think people say that. They're like, if you own or carry a firearm, the likelihood of you dying by gun goes up like a significant percentage. - Yeah, that's good. - Now, I think a lot of that might be suicide. - Mm-hmm. - So I don't know if that like skews the data a bit. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's just horrific. And you wanna know some crazy shit. You know, like, and this is not to get conspiratorial, but it's pretty like blatant. So like, the US just takes over a TikTok, right? Like Larry Ellison and like a few other people bought it. - Yeah. - There's been all these people that are like political commentators on TikTok and Instagram that like I follow. Some been very critical of me and us, whatever, but I still follow 'cause I wanna know what's going on. All of their political stuff is being throttled to zero views. - If you talk about ice or anything political, if you're even talking about the weather, zero views, you can talk about other bullshit. So, and again, I'm not making some like China's the best argument, but like, we talked about, we are China too. Like, we were concerned with China controlling TikTok. Because it was like, they could control the algorithm, what we can or can't see. And it's like the second America gets it. There's no videos about ice, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback in this, right? And now, it's probably advantageous for China if those videos proliferate TikTok, right? Because it's gonna cause more unrest in America, et cetera. But it's crazy, the second that we get control of it, it just so happens to be a data outage at a data center. - Wow. - It just so happens, the biggest political controversy of the year right now in the United States of America, the biggest social media platform in the world just isn't working. - Yeah. - Wow. - And people's views, they don't even know how to throttle it right. You throttle it to like a hundred thousand views. They thought I should to zero. That's like Russia. That is like state sanctions censorship. - I don't think they care how it looks. I don't think they care about optics. Or you saw the CBS 60 minutes thing. They're like, what we're gonna do for, do you see this? - Yeah. - Yes, I do. - We're all be sending this to either like, what are we gonna do for 60 minutes this weekend? This is this past Sunday, right? This is this past Sunday. They're like, we're gonna do a moving night. (laughing) Now again, maybe they had this book two weeks in advance and they have to do it according to scheduling. They didn't have a story set up like, I'm sure there are other arguments you can make. But it looks incredibly toned up and coordinated. - Who's the network that fired Stephen Colbert? - Who's the network that Larry Olson also-- - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Right? So it's just like, - They're gonna, I bet you CVS is gonna tank and probably they're gonna kill TikTok. Because now you saw that new terms in agreement, whatever. - No, what does it say? - Like now they can like track your geo location. They can get so much more information from you. And like people are deleting TikTok now. - And I'll be honest with you. I don't think people care anymore about that privacy shit. I think that was popping for like a few years where people were like, I'm gonna put a stick or over the camera on my computer. Now they're like, watch me. Like I'm gonna stream 24/7. I don't give a fuck. I don't think people-- - They may be popped up on my algorithm, but it seemed like-- - No, I don't think people, I think he's saying people won't stick to it. - Yeah, there's a handful of people that won't, but I think at the end of the day, people are gonna gravitate towards attention. - Don't mean addiction wins. - Yeah. - You also have somebody else, my boy Matt McCoy pointed this out. If you have clear, do you guys have clear? - Yeah. - You're full fucking retinus scan, that's a private company. - No. - They can do whatever they want with that. - It's crazy. - It's nothing I'm gonna give you that you don't already got. You got my entire retinal scan. - Yeah. - Fingerprints, retina, it's all you. You can do whatever you want. - If it saves me five minutes of getting on the plane then, you want my cum, you, my DNA, that's how much you want. (laughing) - Yeah. I mean Facebook kind of proved like the privacy shit, no one really cares about if it's convenient enough. - Exactly. - You know, like that was years ago, that if it's like, this shit's popping like it. - Yeah, the only thing that will matter is to take to our experience, still fun. And if it's not, then it's a problem. - But I wonder if it's so throttled right now that people just start to, I don't know what they'll weigh. Will they weigh distraction over information? Will people like, all right, I'll just watch like stupid cat memes. I don't care. I'll just watch housewives clips. I'll just do this dumb distraction. - Unfortunately, most likely. - They will. - I don't know. Yeah. - I support that. - Yeah. (laughing) - Apparently that privacy thing like is less egregious than possibly thought about. These are things that we're already-- - Fuck you fact checking for. - I can sense the trepidation and you sharing this information. I understand it's not coming from you miles. You're just sharing legs this on the internet. - It's a little less egregious, apparently. It's that the data is being stored now locally in California and there are laws in California that tell you. that your data's being tracked. So it's just a-- - Oh, so they have to disclose more. - It's a disclosure. - Got it. - So they were just doing it already. We just apparently so. I don't fully know what. - I mean, of course, they're all tracking it. Dude, if you ever got like a nonsense app, like an app that like just opens a door to your gym and then immediately asks, would you like this app to track your other apps on your phone? I'm like, what the fuck are you, you just open the door to the gym? Why do you track my other apps? So every app on your phone is getting information from every other app on your phone and every place that you go and Palantir has it. - They got it. - It is what it is. - We live in a police station. - One day I learned. - I know what it's fun. - I'm curious. - I feel like I'm missing out on selling data. 'Cause I feel like that's the new hustle. I just get people's data and everybody that signs up for my podcast studios, it's like, I have all that data on my phone. - Hey, what can we just sell? Why don't you just sell you our dad individually? - Guys, if you need information-- - You're gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. - People know where the gaze are. - Yeah. - They have neighborhoods. - Oh, yeah. - We don't need a file. - We don't need a file for that. - I got the whole aisle one. - That's like talking about a bike. - They have all the men had in 168. - Yeah. - God damn it. (laughing) - So yeah. So what do we do? What do we do when we forward? - Look, here's the thing. And like, obviously the internet is gonna, you know, frame certain things in certain ways and that's completely fine. And people are digesting information in, you know, 60s, second clips, et cetera. That allows people to frame situations in a certain way, people in a certain way, 100%. I don't expect everybody who watches clips of us on the internet to watch every single interview we do. Like, I'm sure there's definitely people who saw us interview Trump and never saw us interview. Bernie, Buttigieg, or the handful of other Democrats that we've had on the pot. I get that, and that's totally fine in that. That's the world we live in when we decide to put stuff out on the internet. - Yeah, right. - Give us credit for getting zoar on on it. (laughing) - No, we got a big zoar like this. - We fixed the bump on the Williamsburg Bridge. - Yeah, that's us. - I want that credit. - No, but shit. - So like, I understand that that is, that is just the cost of putting stuff out there on the internet. And the internet is so siloed that you're only gonna get the specific things. And I get that. There's, it might be frustrating, but it's no like complaints. But I think the, I think the important thing that we're doing is like, not retreating to the security of a side. And I think that's what a lot of people end up doing in these types of situations is they just go, "Oh, there's a lot of criticism out here for having this take." And just by having Trump on the pod or something like that, I'm just gonna avoid the conversation entirely or I'm gonna retreat to the Trump side. And it's just like, I don't think that's anything that we've done. I don't think it's anything that we will continue to do. I think from the day he's been in office, we've been holding him accountable and bringing on voices here that are incredibly critical of him and giving them a platform to speak on those criticisms. Yeah. Politics is just messy, though. It is, I don't know. I love it. I mean, it's fun to talk about, but my issue with having politicians like, they just got a lot like, yeah, like, no, there's housewives. I like, I mean, the politics is real housewives for men. Yeah, it's at your point. This is a good point. Just like having politicians like on any show, like they kind of have to like bend the truth. They sort of are required to lie. Right, like they have private donors that are giving them hundreds of millions of dollars in order to lie. So I'm like, yeah, asking them an honest question and they're like, yeah, whatever. And then also genius role manipulators. I can't think of a politician we didn't like. And we didn't walk away. And I'm like, I like that guy. Trump. (laughing) That's a god. Just speak me so loud. (laughing) You didn't find his, I'm being serious. You didn't find himself remotely charmed by him? I just thought he was a lot more savvy than I thought he was. That's where I left. So he was savvier in his ability to charm. But you still looked at through the lens of he's putting something on. I was just trying to win. I think Takasha's point. It's like, yeah, you sit down with these people. Like, you know, sitting down with a boot of judge. You're like, wow, this guy's so fucking smart. And he's thoughtful. And he like meets you where you are emotionally. And, you know, Bernie's just coming in. And he's just like a wrecking ball of like old school New York charm. And you just want to fucking hang out with him at like, you know, play chess in the park or some shit. Like Bernie charm me. And how little he gave a fuck if we liked him or not. Yeah. I found that very nice. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I try not to be like too black-pilled about this shit 'cause I just get like, I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't, sorry, what's black-pilled. It's just like so fucking hard to say. Nothing matters. Nothing matters. They're all liars. They're all piece of shit. The world is going to go to shit. Why are we worried about it? Yeah. Which is the easiest way to go through life. That's why. That's my inclination. Have you seen everything everywhere all at once or whatever? Yeah. You know the dark donut or the dark bagel hole or whatever? Yes. Yeah. I think that's what, I think that's a metaphor for it. It's like, yes, life is, or life could be meaningless. We could choose to subscribe to this thing that we're thrown into the world and eventually we die. So what's the point in caring? What's the point in trying? And what's the point in trying to have a positive perspective on the world. And that is the easiest route that leads you to the most misery. And like the dad in the movie makes this choice to be fucking happy despite every reason to not. And that is the harder thing to do. And he's a fighter. And if you notice in like the, I don't know, not dream sequences, but the alternative reality is like, he's an amazing fighter, right? Because like, that is the fight. Sometimes just being happy in the presence of miseries and amazing fucking fight. I know that's how I looked at it. And I was like, oh shit, he is the bravest fucking character. I think the daughter realizes it. She's a wife realizes it too. She thought he's like, a little bitch the whole time. And she's like, no, that's the strongest motherfucker here right now. It's a not fall victim to this shit. And to push through and to try to find some joy, try to find some happiness and try to find some positive perspective. So I try to hedge that with like, after we were like, I like Zoron, I'm optimistic, but I'm also like, I just, I don't know. Like I just, I want it to work out. And so I just choose to believe that it'll kind of work out. But I don't know, I get cynical in moments like this from like, dude, I feel that way. Yeah, I feel that way about Zoron. I've always felt that way about Bernie and it fucking drove me crazy when they robbed him twice. And I even think there's, you know, things that Trump says are seductive and I'm going to end the wars. It's like, I would like those wars to be ended. That'd be fucking awesome. Now here we go. We're going to fucking star another war with Iran. Like when he says, we're going to cap credit card debt at 10%. When he says we're going to stop institutional banks or whatever from buying up all the single family homes, I go, that would be fucking, that would be awesome. And if he's able to do that shit, I'll give him credit for it. I'm not going to sit here and not call out a strike when it's a fucking strike. But this is fucking heinous. I think he was starting another war within the U.S. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug, and then you got to call that out too, you know, it's end, and you're going to get the licks and we're going to get the licks and that's totally fine. That is what it is. Again, we're not, yeah. But, yeah, but if he throws too many balls then the strikes don't matter in my opinion. That's an interesting perspective. All right, guys. Let's, let's, all right, we're back. I saw Joey Avery, shout out Joey Avery. Have a, have an interesting take. He's like, he was, I wonder, I'm my butcher this because I wonder if the powers that be choose to create the most political division around big sporting events because they know that there will be convenient to strike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun. Right, like if you are going to do some wild shit and you know for a fact that in a week or two everybody's going to be focused on this big game. And then the week before it, all the media attention is going to be about the preparation for this big game. Yeah, like will it squash the momentum of that very divisive conversation? Interesting, I thought it was the Epstein file all this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Conveniently not talking about it. We're on like the fifth level of distraction. We have the distraction of the distraction. Yeah, with a new distraction. Speaking of which, dude, Seattle and New England, right? We're back. Everything's fine. We're full on TV. We're full on TV. The Patriots are back in the Super Bowl. Yeah, they have given us a phenomenal playoff. Yeah, the playoffs are so good. Forget everything. And you break that down. I know nothing about either team. Both games were good. I felt bad. It was Denver in New England. Denver was the number one seed. And they knew England only beat them 10 to seven. But Denver lost their starting quarterback at the end of the game before. So they had a guy who had started like four games in his entire career coming in. And at first, he was playing well. But then with an inexperienced quarterback, what you do is you just blitz them. Once you get really experienced, you love when they blitz you, which is like, you see your four linemen and they send other people. Yeah. And when you're really experienced, you're like, oh, if you're sending people, it's like double teams in basketball. I mean, that means that's open. Let me get it out and know how to break the defense down. But once they started blitzing him, he got flustered. He fucked up. He made a couple of mistakes. And that's the only reason New England won. They're a good team. But I didn't realize how good Denver was until I saw them just dominate New England's offense. New England is a good team. They got a great coach. Like a variable who was a Patriots player, came back and it's like the fucking chosen one, basically. Oh, that's cool. They went from, I think four and 13 last year to 14 and three this year. Wow. Insane turnaround. Then he's the only real change they made. They got Stefan Diggs, a good receiver, but like, it's him. And then they're playing Seattle who I didn't think would win because their quarterback, everybody kind of thought choked in big moments. He was like highly touted out of college. And his first game I saw him in college is a big game you played really well. But he said this, this kind of fucked his career for years. He was not playing well. And he was playing the Patriots and they caught him on a hot mic. He was whole playing horribly and he goes, I'm seeing ghosts out there, which is like the worst thing you can get caught saying your quarterback. It's like, oh God, this guy's mentally fucked. I thought they'd say that when there's a white corner. Go long. - Now, then you're cooking, then you're wide open. - But what do they call milk check? - Yeah. - You heard that term? - No. - Then when a white guy's guarding you in basketball, we're footballed and they're like, "Milk check!" (laughing) - That's a couple good white corners now. - I mean, in history, there's been a couple. - Yeah, yeah, true. - Yeah, it's like Cooper Dejon. - Cooper Dejon. - I think they said he's Seahorn had like a year. - Yo, he had a year who's nasty. Then he had a bad knee injury. - I think he just had a white knee. - Yeah. (laughing) - He gave everything that white knee. His knees are like, "Oh, God, we've got a nice check." - We played safety. (laughing) - That's what they do the white corners. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just saying the middle, tell people what to do first. - Yeah, that is true. But then this guy, Darnold, played and then everybody thought he would kind of shrink in big moments. He had a couple bad games last year in big moments. This year, the Rams pass defense is not good, but he played his ass off in the championship game. So I don't know if he continues. If he plays like that against New England, they have a historically great defense. Seattle does. New England is good. But historically, great defense. Young quarterback who's really good, he's gonna get better. But you can still kind of fuck with him. Probably he's in like a second year. So I think I think Seattle would win. I don't know what the, what are the odds of a Seattle 68% in New England 33%. - So right now, Kyle, she's at Seattle 68%. - If Sam Donald plays well, I think it's locked in. And they beat the shit out of San Francisco the week before and he didn't even have to play that well. But San Francisco is very beat up. So I don't know. I think New England is a really good team. I think I would pick Seattle, but it really is all gonna depend on how this quarterback plays out. - Who do I support? Because the only one in New England is like a legacy team. Everyone loves them. Yadda, Yadda. - They had enough. - They had enough. - But they're also the underdog. - Yeah, they had enough. - I don't think the Patriots are ever the underdog in a supermodel. - And they're like the lazy underdog. - And then you had a lot of success and then you had like five, four bad years. And now you get back in the supermodel. - Now you got a great quarterback again and a great coach again. Yadda will wait one more year. - Right, but your hunch is that Seattle's gonna win? - I think Seattle's gonna win, which means you're in New England. - New England win, all the way, all the way. - Go pass. - All the way. - Yeah, I probably will. - Yeah, I'm gonna drop somebody on New England. - Yeah, I'm just gonna see Seattle's gonna win. - I got my camera equipment back. So if you'd like to pawn it to get money, let me know. - You got everything back? - I got everything back. - I was honestly most concerned about, I mean, obviously the camera equipment sucked, but all my drives, all my shows, all my sets, I'm trying to build the hour. That's the thing. I was fucking freaking out about it, but I got it all back. - Cawning a hard drive is, that is a dedication to gambling. - Yeah, right. - 'Cause how much you get for a hard drive? - I got $100, not even, right? - Yeah, nice hard drive. - Yeah, nice hard drive is an expensive. - Really? - Yeah, we had a lot of shit on it. - And a pawn guy understands that. (laughs) - I don't even have so much knowledge. - Right? - Like the pawn guys, you have to give it up to them to like, know how much everything is worth. - They're like antiques road shows, but for new shit. - But even old shit, like whenever you watch them, I've ever heard of the internet before. - Yeah, but before the internet. I'm saying like, you would go away with a revolutionary, like war hero ring, and be like, how much is this worth? - Yeah, that's it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - No, okay. - Like, the old idea. - You never did a stat on some shit, to be honest with you. - You never did the prices right, a showcase showdown? Is that what it's called? - Yeah. - Remember that game where the bet you get? - That was a pawn shop owner just go on, they're dominating every game. - In rinse, right? - Yeah. - 'Cause you just know that Jeske is obviously-- - Okay. - Bang, and he gets a Jeske out of here. - Okay, I'll give you three. - Yeah. - Yeah, what do you get for the pawn? Do you get the value of the good? - Or is it 50% of the value? Is it 80% like what? - No, it's usually a small, small fraction. - Yeah, yeah. - Like it's real, every small source. - People go there, desperate. - I love. - I love small stars. - But the idea is what, you're getting a fraction of it, and you're gonna eventually, so you're essentially getting like a loan. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And instead of the interest, it's just a low value. - Right, right, right. - So you have this $10,000 item, here's a thousand bucks, and then if you come collect it, all right, fine. And if you don't, then I just reset. - Pawn star is a fire, right? You used to watch that show. - I would see little apps or whatever, but it was fired. - Yeah. - Some guy fucking pawned a bunch of camera equipment in the street. (laughing) He seemed like he was stressed. He seemed like he was really in a bad spot. And they looked at it. They were like, "This hard drive's 100 bucks," and they were like, "Yeah, and it has comedy on." They're like, "I'll give you five." (laughing) "He's going to a hard time." (laughing) - But if you're the pawn guy, - I didn't say anything. - Yeah. - Are you thinking the pawn shop is what he's stressed about? (laughing) - But if you're the pawn guy, are you judging the desperation and giving a number based on that? - I think so. - Oh, probably. - So if you're looking for marks on his arm, - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's known as breath for alcohol. Like you're seeing how desperate they are. And then you're giving out money based on that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And if you ever give us someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass window. (laughing) If you're going to a negotiation with a guy with three inches of plexiglass in front of him, you're probably going to get rinsed. - Yeah. - Odds are. - Is that ethical? - What the pawn shop? - Or is it predatory? - Yeah, predatory. - Yeah, probably predatory. - But not unethical. - I mean, what is ethics, right? - Yeah. - Oh God, have a fucking opinion. - Yeah, I agree. - I agree with you when you do that. - You ask the question. - It's a formulated morals of the group of people. - Yes, yes, no question. - We live in a society where it's legal, so yeah, it's ethical. - Oh, God. - I personally wouldn't want to do it. - Thank you. (laughing) - But you asked me if it's ethical. If you asked me if I would do it, enough. - But if you're gonna ask the question of something's ethical, then you already know what it is. - I'll tell you what you say. Yes, so I could open one. (laughing) - And then they're all wanting. - No, you don't want that. - You don't want that. - No. - You don't want to be in the pawn shop. - I would never go to an Indian pawn shop, then cheat motherfuckers out. - You're gonna get nothing. - Yeah, exactly. - You're trying to give them your wife, you give you $5. - You pay me of dowry. - Yeah. - You get your camera going back, smells like curry. You don't want it, come on, dude. You didn't like that, though. - No, come on, no, come on. - I need more specific. - All right. - You get your, smells like turmeric. - Smell like turmeric. - Turmeric is better. - It's a lot better. - I like it. - Give me a punch or a call. - You get your camera, equipment, smells (beep) - No, that's what I was thinking. - That's what I was thinking. - I didn't get it, I didn't get it. - I don't get a cultural specific. - I want to be the one to say it, but that's what I'd mind thought was. - That was better. - That was what I thought it should go. Just humor standpoint. - Okay. If we're only talking humor. - It was just lazy racism. (laughing) - That's what we were talking about. - That's right. - So racism works. - Yeah, do this is educated and formed. - New hunts. - New hunts, racism, yeah. - Absolutely. - Pond shop said good bikes when I was a kid. I'd get my shit stolen all the time. - And then I'd go to the pond shop. - You then buy your bike back? - No, I'm not. - Sometimes I don't buy. - Sometimes someone else is stolen bike back. - Exactly. - How does the pond shop handle that? Like how do they make sure it's yours? And then once it's pawned to them, do they own it? - They have 30 to, you've like, X amount of time to buy it back from them. - No, no, no. So I steal something. I go to the pond shop, I pawn it. How do they make sure that it's mine to pawn? - No, that's what Pond shops are for. - They're not shops. - So it's all stolen shit? - Yeah, yeah. - So what are the legal ramifications right there? Like, 'cause it's none. The cops aren't gonna go, yo, this is stolen goods, so we're gonna take this back and the Pond shop loses money. - And they say prove it. - Yeah. - Like. - No, they told me if I called the cops, this is why I didn't. They said the cops are confiscated the equipment. - Yeah, but you have to show proof that you bought it and go through all that, wriggum and roll and all that shit. Nobody wants to do that. - I'm amazed you got to wriggum or roll. - Yeah. So proud of you. - Can we just let it come? - I'm proud of you. - When my head the next word is gonna be fucking. - But I'm proud of you. - I'm just trying to be a cop, the fuck you. - Yo, you're a bully. - Yeah. - You're a cop. - Yeah, he's a bully. - He said a multi-slabbit word, he got through it. - Yeah. - Just let him get his double in, man. - I'm trying to come, I try to give love where I can give love. - So I hit just like a y-n right now. What the fuck is that? - Higher hand is fine, right? - Yep. - I know, yep, yep, yep, yep. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, right. - No, that was good. - No, he pulled the grenade on me, so I gotta get him back. Also, I got my Christmas gifts finally shipped up from Florida. - Do you know what this is? - Let me see it. - All right, you don't want it, touch this. - Tuning fork? - Nope. - This is a jaw harper. (laughing) - I ain't always banjo. - All time. - Yeah, the mouth banjo, dude. I literally saw it, and I was like, "Go, go, go, go, go." (chanting) - Sounds like you're Australian, help out. - Yo, why people? I swear to God. - How sick is that, right? - Y'all need more fun. (laughing) - What is that? - This is my Christmas gift. This is what I got from my secret sandwich. - Why did you get this? - Oh, then that's an awesome gift, then. - I have no bad. I've sh*t, no, what are your family's gifts? - No, secretive, you don't know who it is. - Did you fuck up yet and hit your teeth? - Yeah. - Oh, that sh*t will rattle your head. - Yeah. - How's it all about this? - Yeah, mouth banjo. - The way it is, the way it is. - It's going all the time out there. - It's going all the way to the heart. - I've never heard of a mouth banjo, it's called a juice harp. The other name for it is a juice harp. - I wasn't going to bring that up. - A juice harp? - A juice harp called a juice harp. Some people call it a juice harp. I personally don't like it. - Is this guy a gift that's from a cheap mother f*ck? (laughing) - I personally don't use that verbage, okay? - Hey, but why is it called a juice harp? - I actually don't know. I think it's supposed to be jaw harp and then people kind of like 20 out of that. - No, that's not funny, then. - They've got to get rid of juice. - Can you get the etymology on that? - In the meantime, this is a little ditty. - Juice harp, here we go. - It's from, it's uncertain if it's connected to Jewish people or Judaism at all. The old English word, the Hugo. - Oh yeah, you're right. - The juge hump, the ju cop. It's French, this is like European, this is a European instrument. - Now, are you actually doing anything with your mouth? - Yes, problem, my mouth is doing insane tricks. Look. Oh Okay, come on dude, okay, does it does it make another sound besides that one? Yeah, it's that was sound as mildly. Do you want an a? Can you play something? You want to play something? Yeah, like something that sounds like a song I'm just practicing, I'm my lessons. I haven't started my lessons yet, but once I get my lessons, it's gonna be over for you So it goes from that and then you guys have to climb buildings. That's like Crazy we were debating the Alex Arnold climb outside. Okay, because someone in the studio. I won't say who hold on Can we stop before and just say one thing? Uh-oh. Have you ever seen a sporting event that was more anxiety-inducing for a longer period of time than this climb? You can say the World Cup So you sit in anxiety the World Cup final we all watched it was terrifying the entire time. Wow I feel that with boxing matches sometimes, but at least you get a little bit of a break this shit was Well, for you specifically specifically because you hate high huge fear of heights. Yeah, but we were talking about it out there and someone Said that this was selfish to do. Why what? Okay, he is kids He's doing this in Wally's children. Yeah, it's part of conversation. I don't think it's also this is how he feeds them That's what I'm saying. He's a high-risk job. Also. I don't even know if this is risky He made this shit look while easy. No, there's where it's hard to watch it bro. You got it get some clips of this It's risky for me to do this, but for all this shit is stupid, bro This shit is so fucking stupid. Why is it a little selfish? It's like just why why do you think it's selfish miles? This is I don't want you to die if you fall bro. He's so safe, but then don't we are watching to see if he dies Yes, I couldn't watch I had to wait till he did it to watch on Twitter. Oh really you made sure he made it I wouldn't know why I can't watch that shit. You see that makes sense You got to see when he climbs up like these little dragon portions You see those like silver things that are extending out past the building. Mm-hmm. There's so the thing about this is like There's nothing that he can grab his hand on and like hook behind So all the grabs he's doing he's holding it like that Fucking crazy. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. They're just standing up there as a shit Yeah, I think you need to do see him go up. I think they're called like the dragons or whatever it was also The like there are people working in the office. How is like there's one crazy person? It's all it takes is to do a jump scare Yeah, and he slips for one second. He falls and he dies. Yeah, and he does have a wife and two kids And I get the idea that it's selfish like there are certain things I would not do now that I have a wife and kids But I also don't do these things for a living like this is what he does that's a provide for his family. It's different He's literally wind up there is probably crazy. Crazy. No, it's a warn you saying that he's missing a part of his brain Yes, I think it's like then it's not that crazy that I think the only thing that's crazy about it is The fear factor and once you eliminate the fear factor is just climbing like you're at the park. He's just a retard Yeah, what explain the strength Look at this I mean that's this is actually the worst angle for it because right now he's extended off the side of it I want to be with you and make this like oh Some wow, so there's an hour and 20 minutes of the straight You watched it. Yeah, it's not I watched the whole thing I want you try to watch something else on the phone on the TV I had it on my phone watching the entire time. I wish we can like put a hole out I just want to know the race of people watching. I don't know if I'll be able to watch single black Single black. No, this is fire. I think more fun to watch with black people Yeah, it's like magic. Yeah, but it's too long When you go fall already like that's But the entire time you're thinking man this guy could die in front of the entire world and his family live on Netflix He's smiling. It's crazy. The smile is crazy. Don't motherfuckin doing this This was easier than most of his climbs. Yeah, most of his climbs out in the wild are way harder than this El Capitano's way like by a ten what is that El Capitano? So that's when he didn't free so it's like the most difficult But yeah, really are just watching like I don't know if you're hoping that he falls No, you're not part of it. You're not hoping they fall but you know that that is those are the state Yeah, but it's like NASCAR. It's like you don't hope they crash, but it's like yeah, we get a crash It's exciting now. I want to see him defied I think it's a little bit of that in you I want to see him defied death That's the state great like you you are sports because you're like, yo, it's someone's gonna lose someone's dream is to win a Super Bowl and they're gonna lose now This is a physical feed that defies death and that's a pretty fucking cool thing and it's hard It's not like again This is easier than what he normally does fine But this is fucking hard and scary and these guys just beats it. Yeah Different I won't give you a different but this is that is greatness. I'm not even bullshitting that is greatness Yeah, no, he's missing a part of his brain that makes him afraid like if there's no fear then he's just climbing I honestly think even if you didn't have that part of your McGill you couldn't and with your grip strength You couldn't do this. No, no you got grip strength. I wouldn't ever attempt to do this But if that part of your brain was missing you you still the physical feet is still impressive. No, I could do that You know it requires leg strength, right son. I dropped a few pounds. I could lift my body That's no does no legs here. It's all arm strip No, he said an interesting thing. I was I was watching him talk about Climbing and he said that he was climbing his closest to going on the stair master I got what and he goes Most things that you scale most rocks like if you're at like a climbing wall that's indoor somewhere what they do is the walls often like Extend out at a negative angle So you're kind of like yeah, he was but most of these these walls that we scale these mountains that we climb have a slight decline and you don't see it when you're watching the videos, but like essentially You're using your hands like make sure you're staying on the wall But you're pushing yourself up with your feet and you're kind of like leaning into the wall I think that's missed in the way that they capture it on video when they capture a video looks like it's flat Right, and you're like how the hell is he holding on with something that's two centimeters He's kind of like leaning into it not to take anything away from him. It's absolutely terrifying But and then the strategy you gotta like fear. Okay. How if I move my leg here wait, what did he eat in a way? No, I thought I saw something I mean he might there's been I think when in free solo. He's like a little bite. Yeah, he's like grabbing like a little trail mix neck He's like having a great time literally the whole time. He's having a what were you gonna say though? Strabgy, oh, yeah, like if you put like and I don't know should about climbing But like if you put your one leg up all of a sudden now you're like okay, I gotta get my other leg over to this other hold So you got to like Jimmy around in order to strategize the whole climb. Yeah, to know where to put your body I must visualize this time a thousand times. Yeah every step. I think he did it prior With the harness so he knows the route that he's gonna go But like there's also things that you don't consider like the building is dirty and greasy He said and it rains like a few days before so they couldn't do it So they were gonna do it live a few days before it rains. So naturally you're not gonna be able to do it and he goes Yeah, but the building is dirty and greasy and it's really interesting So he has this chalk in his back, right? But it's so windy. You see the chalk flying out of his bag throughout the climb Wow, so there's a part of you going like is he gonna run out of and the shit is so greasy like there's parts where he's climbing up And he's using his feet to wedge, but they're not wedged on anything. He's just kind of like Pushing against like a flat glass and as he's pulling himself up his feet are sliding down Hmm fuck no, no, it's crazy dude. I like I was looking some of climbing stuff that's awesome dude I wouldn't do it look there's a moment right here I think you'll see it in a second if we keep going where he does like a it's called like a bat hang or something like that watch both hands off What both hands off the letter new hands and check that you'll see him for a shake him out. Yeah, he's flexing at that point He's doing like in a moat or whatever. Yeah I mean it's just sick. This is what it's all about dude watching humans do awesome shit Yeah, right you can do awesome shit without risking your life. This guy's a don't you though. Yes, you get I think a lot of all states Y'all need Different we not doing it. What's the awesome thing that doesn't have stakes and the stakes might not be physical They could be like emotional, you know, it could be like public speaking is obviously terrifying for most people So they see that they're like oh my god, that's a nerve thing. I would never want to do it So what's the thing that you see with no stakes that you're still like this is fucking awesome? Fuck I need some time to think about it, but he likes an iG videos where the iG videos you like the cooking ones Alex cooking iG videos so my cooking is so And look I love food, but it's so mundane all the cooking shows got a time it Right like they're like you got to do this in under 30 minutes and it's like no you don't like you just You cook it as much time as it takes to cook but there's no stakes so they're like it's got five ingredients You got to make something they got to create stakes for shit, right? Because I think humans react to stakes is like we love boxing Or MMA because we know it's the highest stakes. You can fucking die in there. You never watch the humans are awesome Complations on YouTube you've never seen this did it's the greatest what do you say? And this is they like go viral earlier, but it's just Why do is doing white bullshit and it the whole title is just humans are awesome and it's guys just jumping off clips like cliffs and squirrel suits and shit. - That's easy, why do people do what people should? - I mean, there are some versions of that. Like, you saw the one. We probably even watched it on the pod where like, where the guy is in the squirrel suit and-- - Oh, and he flies through the rock. - Crazy, that was crazy. That doesn't get you fired up that you don't know. - No, because hell yeah. - Not that one I go, that's too-- - That one, it looked cool and it, 'cause it looks fun. But also, it's like, if you only pay attention for what they do with these life risking stuff, and now we're encouraging them to do the life risking stuff. - And then we got a population problem. - We don't know when they die. - Bro, he was doing some business. - He was mad, he was trying to impress you, motherfucker. - He does this alone. He's been climbing for years by himself. - Let me tell you something. This is how difficult it is. - He should start to get a paid now. - Exactly, love is making money. But this is how hard it is to have two kids. Is it, that is his just time away. (laughing) - You know what I mean? Like, he goes, it's so funny, 'cause everybody without kids would keep going. Like, he's a wife and kids, why is he doing it? And like, once you have kids, you're like, nah. (laughing) You want a few minutes to just buy yourself. When he's on the top and no one can talk to him. Also, he's capping throughout the whole thing. - He goes, doing it with the new boy, right? (laughing) - Throughout the whole thing, he goes, yeah, I think my head says broken. I can't really hear you guys, all right. (laughing) - Yeah, I pulled that. - He can hear you all. - I've done that. - He just needs some time by himself, so he can enjoy this beautiful climb. - Yeah. - This guy's a haw soon. - You've heard of pro life Spider-Man? - No, what is that? - Oh yeah. - Well, Spider-Man is a kid who's, in his early 20s, he's a very sweet looking kid, and he frees all those buildings all over the world, and in New York City, did some crazy ones here, without the fanfare of Netflix. And he films himself the whole time. Like, repeating, I think Bible verses, and also talking about the fact that abortion's bad. And then he always gets arrested at the top, and then hopes that the news will cover it. (laughing) - And ask for his statement. And the statement is that abortion is bad. - There's another guy named Alan Woutro-Berry. - That's Alan Woutro-Berry, yeah. - Alan Woutro-Berry. - Frank Spider-Man. - Frank Spider-Man. And he's just, he looks like he's a hundred years old. No bullshit. - And he's been doing this since like the seven years. - Forever. He climbs buildings like that's his thing. No ropes, free solo. I don't even think they have a spectacle around it. - Oh, so this guy ain't even doing nothing new. (laughing) - Fuck, we do it in full. (laughing) - The thing that's new, the thing that's interesting is that it is live streams. - Yeah. - Yeah, we never seen that. - Yeah, so you just wanna see him die on the spot. - Why do we watch people go in circles and ask her? - That's what I'm saying. That's how you boom by the way. - No, she loves this shit. - So what is to see? - So what is potentially see somebody die? - So what is the, I mean, the joke is obviously like, it's so dangerous being black that this is not what you guys do for fun. Like this, I've heard version of this joke for it. It's like why do people it's so safe that we got to find death for fun? But like what is the thing that you, you're like, okay, I gotta try that shit. - I don't try anything that I can die now but you used to be back in a day. - Like what would be skydiving bungee jumping? - Skydiving bungee jumping. - How do you get it? - Yeah, but that's when I started hanging out with y'all. (laughing) - You skydiving til you hanging out with me? - No, I did it once before, but it was with a white dude. - There you go. - Yeah, I don't think there's that many skydiving instructors that aren't white. - No, I mean, the guy I went with, like it was a group of us and I was the one black guy with. - If you saw a black skydiving instructor, what would you, what would you interact with me? - Just as qualified, all right? - I would say more qualified. Jump onto the plane. (laughing) - You know, that is, that is interesting. Like, this motherfucker. - Not as he is qualified, but like if you saw him, would you be like, what brought you here? Like would you have a moment where you would pull him aside and be like, how did you end up? - I was just thinking he grew up in the burbs. - That's it. - Yeah. - You're like, you grew up with white people and you don't know how crazy this is. - Yeah. - I was like, no bro, I'm from the early, like I just love skydiving. It was this or drug dealing. That's how you got out. - That's okay, fuck. - Slink some rocks, bro. (laughing) - Bro, climb some rocks. That's what it's all about. I'm telling you, there's another dude. Oh, what's his name? Oh, I can't remember his name. Caveman's something, but he's a black dude that goes and interacts with the wild animals. And like he goes and finds Anaconda's like in the Amazon. - Not real Tarzan? - Maybe. I can't remember brother nature. What happened to that kid? - Yeah, I remember him with the canela. The deer is incredible. - What happened? That missed something? - I don't know. - If you guys want to watch another great thing that sort of feels like this, man on wire. - How are you about this movie? - Great doc from late 2000s, where French guy, I think, put a wire across the Twin Towers and walked it and like laid down and did some wild shit. - Yeah. - Wow. - You ever seen the alpinist, the documentary? - That shit is insane. - Yeah, that one's wild. - If you like free soul, you gotta check that one out. - Insane. - The alpinist, I think he's French Canadian. - He would do free solo ice climbing. - Whoa. - And which is like the most dangerous climbing. - That's crazy. - I don't wanna spoil it, but he dies. (laughing) - Really? - Go. - He go. - That's crazy. - But he doesn't do it for the doc. It's a, what's his name, Mark Andre? - Lecler. - Lecler was a Canadian rock climber. - Yeah. - That's sad, yeah. - See? - That man's so cool if he lived. - But he did live for a while. - And then he died doing what he loved. - He died it. - All right, here's the one that I, where I start to, we're what you're saying resonates. - Okay, ready? I think it's called spur-lunking. - Oh yeah. - Ooh. - Yeah, what's that, what's that? - Yeah, this is crazy. I don't like this. - It's exploring caves. - I have a shoulder, have you seen the nutty putty? - Yeah. - Son, I'm too claustrophobic for this. - Look at that. - That terrifies me. - Son, sometime. - Yeah video. - I've been looking at nutty putty. - They're going into these cave systems. I don't understand what they get out of it. I don't understand why they do it. I have no, I have no understanding whatsoever what compels them to go look. It's not like, oh my god, here's this beautiful view. Like maybe at the end you get to some cave where there's this underground's beautiful site and you get to see just boogers hanging on the ceiling. To me there's nothing exciting or beautiful. When you're at the top of that fucking building or a top of the mountain, you're looking the entire world. As far as the horizon can see, I get that. That is appealing at least. You go to the top of the world train center, you go to the top of that part of the state building. You look out, you're like, whoa, this is an amazing view. So I at least get that a little bit. This shit right here? And sometimes they're going in these cave systems. Look at that. Sometimes they don't know where the cave systems go. - Fuck is happening. - Son, they gotta take off the helmet to get through and they can't get out and sometimes they just die there. - Sometimes they gotta hold their breath to go under the water to come up to the other side. There's some wild shit. - Yeah. - Sometimes they just get stuck and it rains and now they're stuck in the cave and they drown in the cave. 'Cause they didn't expect the rain. - So all of them little kids went missing. - Yes, they were just flunkin'. - They were flunkin' and it rained and it flooded the cave system. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - This is why, like, why you have to do this? - The shit is, like, how you feel about him climbing is how I feel about that. - Yeah, I don't like this. - Well, I can't look at it, dude. It makes me uncomfortable. - There's one called the Nutty Putty Cave Incidents. It's really sad story, it's really sad. - Well, you watch these videos where they describe what happened and there's like a, there's no video up, it's just diagrams. It makes my chest. - Yeah, the Nutty Putty want to try to stretch it. - Stretch it. - Well bring it up, guys. - Yeah, really like. - There's no video, it's only an analysis. And then a diagram. - There's a guy named John Jones and he is in the Nutty Putty Cave. I think it's in Utah. He's going deeper and deeper, thinking that he's gonna, like, find either a way out or at least to turn around. He ends up getting so deep in there. He's sort of lodged upside down. - There's the image right there. - And his other buddy, he goes, dude, I'm stuck. I can't get out his legs. They have to, like, he's so stuck. So his buddy crawls back out and then goes to get help. And it takes hours to get help. And the people come in and he's been stuck upside down the whole time. And they start to try to figure out how to get him out there. They have rescuers. They put this crazy pulley system. And they're like, dude, we don't have to bring his legs the wrong way to pull him out. All of this awful off of stuff. And the video will explain it way better. They finally get it attached to his legs if I'm not mistaken. And they start to get a little bit of movement with them. And it's like, it's a wire attached to a thing, attached to a thing, attached to a thing. - He's still alive, he's still alive. Now he's on calm, so he can talk to him. - Yeah, they get a walkie talk down there to him. So we can talk. They start to get him out. And they, all the things break from the holds they were in. And he falls back deeper into it. - Nope. - They get him a phone. And they drop the phone down there. And he, like, slowly falls in and out of consciousness. Tells his wife he loves him and he dies. And they seal the cave. - Weird, but why did he die from what? His head's upside down, cold, exposure. He's down there for, like, 24 or 48 hours. He's freezing. It's like, can't breathe. Can't breathe slowly. Like, the blood is filling up in your head and lungs. - Oh. - Yeah. - That shit is crazy. Start to bring mood down. But I watched that video and straight up. Like, that is sweaty palms. Yuck. - Yeah, I don't support that activity at all. We should make that illegal immediately. - What is the benefit of that? - And I guess you're so tight. You can't even, like, get your arms to when you're falling back down, stop, 'cause you're stuck like this. And you can't even move your, 'cause I was like, well, I need to stop myself. But you can't, 'cause you're like this, trapped. - Why do I need back in? If you don't know where that, like, where it's gonna end, if there's even an end, why didn't you back in? - 'Cause I guess you need to see where you're going. - Yeah, I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - Yeah, this one's trusting me out. - I hate this. How is this the guy's climbing the side of a building? There's only two things that got happening. He makes it to the top of our dies. And this stresses you out. - Both stress me out. - That one is stress me out, but it's not as crazy though. - My biggest fear is being buried alive. - It's like my greatest fear in the world. - Really? - Yeah. - And how does that manifest itself? - It's not like my actual fear, but like if you think about what's the worst way to die. - Of course it will be. - Yeah, of course it will. - It's like seeing a kill bill is like, I just die. I would just give up. - Yeah. - When you watch the Mr. Beast thing where he's buried alive. - I watch it, I can't even watch it. - Wow. - David Blaine did it. - Yeah. - Did you see that at all? - Nope. - Yeah, I hear you on that dude. That is just, uh. - But like, do you think back living is cool? - Yeah, it looks cool. - It's cool. - Yeah. - It's cool because it's hard to do. Like most people can't. And it's a little dangerous. - Yes, a little dangerous, yes. - But if you can pull it off, it's sick. - Yes. - This is just that times of bajillion. - No, but this is like death or you succeed. - Does it backflip? - No. - You got hurt or you do a backflip? - Yeah. - You can't have a backflip, people aren't dying doing backflips. - But if you want to be more hardcore, you just stress that out. You guys need to be more hardcore. - Yeah, why do we feel that need? - I don't get the need. - Like the people that jump from building a building, I watch that on Instagram all the time. I don't understand what they do. I saw it got jumped from a building onto a light pole and slide down. - I hate watch. You like those, don't you? - I don't think I like it. - Okay. - I can't look away. - Yeah. - I think watching humans do incredible things is cool. - Football is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things. Basketball is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things. - Honestly, I feel this is a cultural thing. Like I think you grew up seeing all the extreme stuff and then it like-- - We're desensitized. - Yes. - And we get a little bit more. It's watching porn. - Yeah. - It's like you're just watching regular fucking and that's funny and like, and you grew up culturally not watching these things. - Yeah. - So when you see somebody like do a kickflip, you're like, what the fuck? - We need to see somebody climb a building. - That's why we're blowing away by magic. - That's the wildest shit. - I think it's because you all believe it a little bit. - I do think you all believe it a little bit. - No, no, no, no. - A little. - I think we are very like spiritual and it's like now that maybe the devil's work right there so stay away from us. - Yeah, that's what he said. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's great. - Ask a brilliant person about like spells and they'd be like, no, I don't fucking know. - Yeah, we don't. - My name won't read Harry Potter. - Halloween books. - Wait, what? - Spot has a Halloween party. It was like around Halloween and I was like, oh yeah, shallow really likes this book and she's like, oh, okay, that's great. And then I was like, do you want to maybe give it a check and she's like, I'll let you read that one. And I was like, are you not into this? She's like, no, no, nothing with the demons. - Yeah. - I go, what about Harry Potter? She's like, of course not, I don't. And then I was like, no, I mean, I don't want to impose my cultural values on you at all. But like, it's just like for fun, whatever. And she said something like, the devil's always fun. - But like, she said something like a boy. - There's a specific boy. - A boy. - What is the word? Like, the devil's not a guy with horns and a pitch for it. He comes to you as everything you always wanted. - Exactly. - Something like that. She said something and I was like, that she was back. - Yeah. - It's easy for me to make fun of 'cause I'm like, I was like, Halloween book. But also, I would never do a Ouija board. - Oh, I want one fuck with that shit. - Yeah. - I want one fuck with that shit. - Yeah, I wouldn't do a Ouija board. - Son, I've never seen a ghost or nothing like that. But I wouldn't, I just wouldn't. - He was like a mean what? - The way that you feel about him. - That's all I feel about a Ouija board. - We're walking down the street 'cause Mark was dealing with this existential threat of what is it? What is the word? When we were walking in Wolfgang's. - Oh, paranoia? - Yeah, he was dealing with this existential threat of like paranoia. He's like, do you ever get paranoid? Is that like something that affects you at all? And I'm like, nah. Not really. I don't really get paranoid that much. - I wasn't dealing with it. I just brought it up. - Yeah. - No, yeah. - As I'm saying that, I veer off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic. Right? As I'm going, nah, I don't really, it's just not something I even think about. And then Mark just starts laughing and he goes, "When are you doing?" And I go, "Oh, there's a ladder right there. "I'm not going to walk under a ladder." - Yeah. - He avoids the whole ladder onto the street. - I take oncoming Toyota's over the ladder and I followed him. - And I followed him. (laughing) - Because I'm not going to be the dumbass to be like, "Well, hold on to the ladder." (laughing) - You know some shit, I don't know. So I'm going to go around it. - Yeah. - Also, when there were kids in '90s, it comes always had a Ouija board episode. Where some, they fuck with Ouija board and some bad happening. Every time I was like, "Why would you ever?" - What's the point? - That's my leadership. It's so easy to walk around the ladder. - Real traffic. - I shit. - Still don't step on cracks. 'Cause I don't want to hurt my mom. If you step on a crack, you break your mom's back. - That's what they said. - And I still avoid cracks this day. - Yeah. - I have to change the pace of my walk. - You actually? - Yeah. - You don't want to crack her back? - Yeah. - Relax. - What? (all laughing) - No, wait, why? - All due respect. - All due respect. - No, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - And what about you? - I was telling me, she don't respect the all due respect. (all laughing) - Just let you know. The next time she sees you, she's gonna have to words me. - Miss Miriam. - Yeah. - Miss Miriam, I love you, Miss Miriam. You know, I love you. It's with all due respect. - I feel like I've only said kind things. - All right, let's just stop. - Martin was talking about getting your back cracked. And I feel like we're all due respect. - No, no, no. - That is a violation. - You don't step on cracks. - That's our whole thing, right? - Yeah, but you immediately jumped to her back in a crack, which I think is not with all due respect conversation. - Yeah, I don't want her vertebrae to get fucked up. - From what? - Slippin. - On some dick. (all laughing) - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - This guy. - That's crazy. - That's crazy. - See y'all on Patreon. - See y'all on Patreon.