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Long-lasting battery. And now, with AI looking at all my numbers and coaching me, Whoop is a winner. New members can try Whoop with a 30-day free trial before committing to a membership. That's Whoop.com for your free month of Whoop. Pushkin. Hello. Hi. My wife. Hi. My husband. How are you? I'm getting through. Yeah. So you wanted to talk? I did. I feel like we haven't had much of a chance to connect over the last couple weeks because there's been a lot going on here. Here is Minneapolis, where I live, and the epicenter of what the Trump administration is calling Operation Metro Surge. Since it all began with the regular business, of work, child care, and running a household, Emily and I haven't really had a chance to sit down and actually talk. I knew she had a lot she wanted to tell me. So I asked her to start at the beginning. On Wednesday, January 7th, I had dropped Aggie off at school. And I was driving down 36th, which is a one-way. There were, I don't know if it was six or eight vehicles coming directly, toward me, going the wrong way, down a one-way at full speed. And I really thought I was going to have a head-on collision. Then they just suddenly stopped. And then a bunch of men started running out of the cars. And they were all masked. And all the vehicles were unmarked. My brain just wasn't connecting what was happening. And then I saw two women running toward this scene with, with whistles. And then somewhere in my head, it clicked like, "Oh, this, this is an ICE raid." I didn't even know exactly what that meant, but I just felt so clearly like something wrong is happening. And so I parked and I jumped out. I ran up to the building as they were all pulling away. The woman who had a really little, like, five-pound dog, one of the ICE agents just swerved right at the dog. And I was really emotional because I was, still had a lot of adrenaline. I was coming on the one-way and they almost hit me. One of the women there hugged me. And she just kept saying, "No, I know. I said, who do they think they are?" Who do they think they are? Oh, my gosh, it's just too much. I mean, that's when everything just, like, exploded. I got home and, you know, I had news on the background. And I saw that a woman had been shot dead. And that turned out later that this was Renee Goode. And she had just dropped her kid off from school, too. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. She was shot about 40 minutes after I had that encounter, about four blocks away. I went to the vigil that night. Okay. There were a lot of people there. I think everybody there really felt an obligation to be there. While I was there, I got a text from Katie, my sister, telling me that ICE had showed up at Theo's school. Theo is her 14-year-old nephew. And that they had pepper sprayed a crowd of teachers and students. So she texted me that and then wrote, "I have no idea how to process this with my child." When did I learn that ICE was a thing? When did you learn that ICE was a thing? Do you remember? No. Do you? And Auggie. You know, Auggie's nine. And so that's been one of the really hard things here is to know what you tell your kid. I've been trying to talk to him about it just as honestly as possible with trying to emphasize, you know, that he's safe. But even if he is safe, there's a lot of kids right now around this city. His age, who aren't. And that's, how do you explain that? You know? You told Auggie about Renée Good? Yes. And what was that like? I first told him that a woman had been shot by ICE. Then the next day, Julian came over and Eli, Julian's dad, said something to me about Auggie. He said, "You know, Auggie, you know, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that." And he said, "No, you can't do that." And I said, "No, you can't do that." And I said, "No, you can't do that." He said, "No, you can't do that." about, "Oh, and you encountered them that morning in front of Auggie." And so then Auggie was like, "Wait, what?" "You're okay?" "Yeah, I'm okay." "But you wouldn't have stopped if I was in the car?" "No. No, honey." And we talked about it for a couple minutes, and then he said, "Okay, I think we need to stop talking about this now." And so I respected that and stopped talking about it. So then the Thursday and Friday after Renee Good was killed, schools were canceled across the city because it just wasn't safe. I stayed home with Auggie, and some of his friends came over. And throughout the day, kids would be playing, and they'd be fine, and then they would say, "It's so sad." Like, "This is so sad that I murdered somebody." This is what Auggie's friends were saying. Yeah, yeah. And I actually have a really clear memory that day. We were working with the hot glue gun, and Julian somehow cut his hand. And the concern that they all just sort of rallied around him and were so worried about his hand. Julian? Yeah. He's like the Mr. Tough Guy. I know. And then there was this moment after I bandaged it up that we all—and I've never had a moment with the boys like this—where we all sort of like hugged each other. The boys went for this? They allowed this? Yeah. And I do think it was just like this moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight, you know, that it just allowed us to have this moment of coming together. It was really beautiful. Wow. I mean, everything is completely overwhelming. But you still have to eat. You still have to walk the dog. And, you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I was laying in bed, and Auggie came in wearing a captain's hat and a suit jacket and started rapping about yachts. Yachts. I want one for my birthday. Yachts. I can get it because it's a vacay. Yachts. They're really great. Yachts. It was all about going on yachts and having cookie vacays. God, I would love a cookie vacay right now. We could all release. Let's go. I want it for my birthday, yas. You don't need to take a bath, yas. Tuesday. This is Tuesday the 13th, less than a week since Renee Good had been killed. Once again, I had dropped Augie off at school, and I was driving home, and suddenly all these vehicles start swerving around my car, and I'm a little bit boxed in. And then I started hearing the whistles, and so I decide to get out. There's ICE agents all over. They're going up to an apartment building, yelling, you've got to open up the door. And, you know, the crowd is slowly growing, but pretty quiet. And then they come out of the apartment building, and they have. Two guys who, to me, looked like children, early 20s at the oldest, but I'd be surprised if it was even that. One of them is wearing a T-shirt and shorts, even though it's, you know, it's very cold outside. I mean, it's so cold. It's the kind of cold that, you know, you take your gloves off for a few seconds, and your fingers just really hurt. Like, it is hard to be outside in this weather. Yeah. Yeah. And when we see the kids. We just start screaming, shame on you! I'm a mom. You know, like, shame on you is the word that comes to mind. And we're yelling, you know, they're kids, and. Shame on you! Sorry, this is going to be the hardest part for me. So everything escalated, I should just say first, like, everything escalated very quickly. It just becomes chaos. Our ICE agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them, you know, they have them down on the ground. And I can't even describe the feeling where, like, literally three feet from me, I see a man, like, just a Minneapolis guy on the ground, and an agent just pepper spraying him straight in the face from three inches away. And I mean, every part of you just wants to run and just, like, tackle that guy. But you know you can't. And so you just yell. Because what else do you do? But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that, you just feel so powerless. Are you okay? Are you okay? So I'm standing on the corner, and they're trying to get this car to. This woman in the car. And there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was just chaos. And they're screaming at her. There's, like, 15 agents, you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her. They just broke the window! They broke the window in the car! They broke the window! All of a sudden, they break her passenger side window. Then they go around to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car. And she's screaming. Hmm. And then they've just got her by all fours and start carrying her away. And then I see that they have a white-haired man that they are carrying by all fours. And they open the back door of a black SUV and literally, like, stuff him in. That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry. 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Julio's roommate was mistaken for someone else while driving, and he got into a car chase with ICE. The roommate led the agents back to the house he and Julio shared with their partners and their babies. Eyewitnesses say the shooting wasn't self-defense, that the men were fleeing into the house when shots were fired. At the end of the night, Julio and his partner, Indriani, were arrested. But the story I want to tell isn't about the shooting itself. I want to tell the story of the family Julio and Indriani left behind, what their life was like before that night, and what it's been like ever since. So far, Julio and Indriani's family in Minnesota haven't spoken with any journalists, but it turns out I have a connection to Indriani's mom, Yamilis. It was very tenuous, through friends of friends, but it was enough for me to be trusted. And so, one cold night, a week after the shooting, I text Yamilis my photo so she could identify me through the front door's small window, and I go over to talk. Hi. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi. Hello. Hello. Since Julio and Indriani have been incarcerated, Yamilis has been taking care of their three-year-old son, her grandson. Yamilis has been taking care of her three-year-old son, Yamilis has been in the U.S. since 2023, but with the shooting, she fears that she and her family have become targets, even more so targets, of ICE. So she doesn't leave the house, not to grocery shop, not to go to work. She keeps the blinds drawn, the lights outside, off. She says she prays that God will just make her house invisible. Yes, Yamilis. Yamilis. Jonathan. Jonathan. Yes, yes. I'm with my interpreter, Eric, who's not really an interpreter, but my former. I'm with my former office mate, who works as an immigration lawyer. This is Eric. Nice to meet you. Hola. Eric, ¿cómo está? The house is full of life. Four kids of her own, ages 9 through 14, and her three-year-old grandson, Julio and Indriani's son. Once inside, one of the kids locks the door behind us. Estamos más seguros. Since the shooting, even though her children have open asylum cases and social security numbers, Yamilis has kept them all home from school. Her 14-year-old, Alejandra, attends class over video. I ask her if her teachers know why she hasn't been in class. Yeah, but I, like, I didn't tell all my teachers, so my grades are going down. Oh. So I'm scared about that, too. I'm sorry. I really want to go to school again, but my mom's like, you need to stay here because the ice can take you and things like that, you know? But I really want to go to school again. Yamilis' 10-year-old son, Javier, walks over. He has a question he wants to ask me. Yes? Oh, I wish I knew. I'm so sorry. As her partner, Danielle, makes himself dinner, and the kids come and go from the living room, Yamilis tells me about her life before all of this, why she left Venezuela for the United States, in the first place. We were living hidden. My fear of returning is really strong. When I ask why that is, Yamilis just says political persecution and leaves it at that. Her daughter, Indriani, had already migrated to the U.S. and made a home for herself and her son in Minnesota. Yamilis really missed them. To see them again, she and her family embarked on a difficult journey, mostly done on foot. She and her partner, Danielle, towed four little kids across South and Central America and through Mexico. We didn't have phone. We didn't have money. I had some coins. That's it. We walked for two months. Sleeping in the street. Eating what people would give us. We walked a lot. But always happy. With a lot of faith. In being able to once again see my daughter and my grandson. On the way from Colombia to Panama, they passed through the incredibly dangerous rainforest known as the Dari. Dari and Gap. Donde han muerto muchísimas personas también. Where a lot of people have died. The Dari and Gap is a roughly 60-mile stretch of rainforest. It's the only gap in the Pan-American Highway. No road, not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police. Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of all the places they traveled through, Yamilis says the parts of Mexico, controlled by the cartels, were the scariest. She describes how while trying to avoid the immigration authorities, her family escaped into the forest. So three armed men came kind of out of the trees. Ellos preguntaron en ese momento, ¿No le va a pasar nada? They said, nothing's going to happen. ¿Traen el dinero? Give us your money. ¿Traen los teléfonos? Give us your phones. Yo le dije, no hay dinero ni teléfono tengo. They said, I don't have money or phone. Yamilis gestures towards her 12-year-old daughter who's sitting on the couch. Ella lloró porque veía las pistolas. She cried because she saw the guns. Me dijeron que se calle o la mato. And they said, she better be quiet or we'll kill her. Mi hijo varón. My son. Es curioso con las pistolas. He was curious about the guns. Si me vuelve a mirar, lo mato. And they said, He looks at me again. I'm going to kill him. Nos desnudaron. They took all our clothes off. Para saber si teníamos dinero escondido. Looking forward to see if we had hidden money. When they didn't find anything, they let them go. Yamilis and Daniel had heard about a train that carried migrants from Mexico City to the American border. The train was referred to as La Bestia, the Beast. It's also been called the Train of Death. Passengers ride on top of the train or on top of freight cars. Loss of limbs, maimings, even death occur as people try to board the moving train. The family was told by other migrant travelers where to wait for the train. They waited and waited. Viene el tren, grandísimo. Then comes this big train. Y todo, ahí viene el tren. Everyone starts cheering the train, the train. Veo que muchas personas comienzan a correr y a correr y a correr. Personas que andaban solas. And I saw a lot of people start running and running. And running and running. Pero yo sí dije a Dios en ese momento, Dios, si es de ti que nos montemos, que se pare. And I said to God in that moment, God, if it's your will for us to get on this train, let it stop. Porque andando el tren, yo no puedo montar más mis hijos, no. Él se puede montar más los niños, no. Because the train moving, I could get on and my husband could get on, but the kids, no. They have to jump on. Claro. Clearly. Y no podía agarrar dos niños más y el dos niños más. And I couldn't jump. I couldn't jump and grab onto the train with holding two of my children and him holding the other two. Y si me soltaban, me podía matar el tren. And if I fell, the train could kill me. When the train came to a full stop, Yamilis took it as a sign. The last car of the train. Hay unas escaleritas. There was a ladder. Subimos muy rápido. And we climbed up very quick. Y quise como amarrar los niños. Vamos a amarrarlos para que no se vayan a caer. And we passed five days on the train. On top of the train like that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, on top of the train. Cuando pasaba por pueblos, nos lanzaban comida, galletas. When we went through towns or villages, people would throw us food or cookies. Porque fueron momentos en que uno, si se bajaba, se podía ir el tren y donde quedábamos. Because we couldn't get down. Because if we got down, the train could leave and we'd be stuck. Ese tren nos movió más de medio México. That train moved us through half of Mexico. And the kids, how are they? Yeah, we tied them on We tied the children down One just has to say, I'm going, I'm moving forward Through the cold at night and the heat during the day Yamilis and her partner stayed awake holding on to the children Falling asleep meant running the risk of being shoved from the train or simply falling, which could mean instant death So for five days she hung on No bathroom, just a pot No proper food, just what they could catch And no sleep In this way, Yamilis spent her birthday She was turning 34 years old The train finally stopped in Juarez People had been killed, children had been taken People had had their stuff stolen And I thank God that we were people that were very blessed A man who saw the family get off the train offered to buy them food Other people gave them drinks Another man even gave them money They all ate And finally, walking distance from the U.S. border they slept In the morning, U.S. immigration admitted Yamilis and the children into the U.S. They spent the night in a border patrol tent and were given paperwork to start the asylum process Eventually, they were placed on a bus to Chicago Yamilis is now in the U.S. Yamilis is now in the U.S. Yamilis' daughter, Indriani, came to greet her It was Yamilis' first time seeing her daughter in a year and a half We just ran to each other and hugged and I grabbed my grandson He was so little Together, they traveled back to Indriani's new home in Minnesota, where the kids enrolled in school and eventually, Yamilis found work cleaning houses and offices Over the years, they settled in and made a life for themselves After the break, Yamilis tells me about her second separation from her daughter and grandson the night of Julio's shooting If you're a music fan, here's a new podcast to check out It's called Before the Moment a new series hosted by the legendary Nile Rodgers You know him as the producer, songwriter, guitarist and co-founder of Chic But in this series, he's hitting the road to sit down with some of today's most fascinating people from hitmakers like Miguel to rising stars like Alex Warren Nile explores the stories behind the careers the songs, and the moments that changed everything Because every artist can point to that turning point that moment before the breakthrough before the success before everything changed Through candid conversations and personal stories you'll hear what happened before the moment that made them who they are today Listen to Before the Moment a Lincoln Original Series on the iHeartRadio app YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts This is Jacob Goldstein from Business History Imagine Henry Ford trying to create the assembly line He had factory plans, production schedules supply information, research and ideas coming from all directions His team spent years studying how to make the process work Now, imagine having ChatGPT work ChatGPT work can help with big projects that have lots of steps You give it the goal, along with real estate real information, like notes, files, reports feedback, and project plans It can use approved apps, connected tools, and files to help turn all of that into something useful A plan, an analysis, a tracker, a presentation outline or a workflow you can keep improving And you stay in control You give direction, review the work, approve actions and choose the final result Would Henry Ford have built the assembly line faster with ChatGPT? 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Sí Hi Hi Hello He's saying the police took his mom He's talking about how the bomb came through the window And they shot his dad Julio He's talking about the It smelled bad The gas It smelled awful It smelled ugly It smelled bad Sí Did it hurt your eyes? No le gusta I didn't like I didn't like ¿Qué pasó? ¡Todo! ¡Duro! Sí, decía ¡Tum! ¡Tum! ¡Tum! They hit the door They hit the door ¡Tum! ¡Tum! ¡Tum! Hard Yamilis says Her grandson keeps talking about that night He still has nightmares Y yo escucho Él duerme conmigo He sleeps with me And I hear Yo escucho cuando él se despierta de noche When he wakes up at night Llora, llora Crying Mom, he's smaller To flee political persecution from one country The family underwent a death-defying journey to another country Only to be persecuted by that new country's government Could you ever have imagined that it would get this bad? That it would get like this? No Estados Unidos me parece Yeah The United States A beautiful country En sus cuatro estaciones In its four seasons En el frío, en el calor The cold, the heat Me gusta más el calor I like the heat more That first winter, Yamilis wore gloves and hats indoors Wherever she went, she carried around a space heater that had been gifted to her But seeing how much the kids enjoyed the snow, the winter has grown on her Yo me siento bien aquí I feel good here Y yo me siento bien aquí Y vinimos a trabajar We came to work Vinimos por un bienestar para nuestros hijos We came for the good of our children Ah, por cierto, están invitados a un verano, el próximo verano, venir a comer a mi casa Truly, you guys, next summer I'm invited to eat at my house Estoy aquí If I'm here Si todo está normal Vamos a comer muy rico Vamos, we're going to eat really well On Tuesday, Julio appeared in court To counter the federal government's narrative, lawyers presented photographs showing a bullet hole through the front door of Julio's house And a bullet hole in one of the bedrooms, between a mattress and a crib The judge ordered Julio's release But when Julio left the courthouse, ICE agents were waiting for him outside He's now back in detention Indriani was released last week On the morning she returned, her son was still sleeping When she woke him, he didn't recognize her at first but then he hugged her. Now he doesn't want to leave her side. He's afraid Ice will take her again. Yamilis still hasn't left the house, and her kids have yet to return to school. This episode was produced by Emily Condon and me, Jonathan Goldstein, as well as supervising producer Stevie Lane and senior producer Kalila Holt. Fact-checking by Andrea Lopez Cruzado. My interpreter at Yamilis' house was Eric Day. Editorial help from Nadia Raymond. Special thanks to Melissa Redfield, Ben Natafhafri, and Daphne Chan. Sarah Bruguere mixed the episode with music by Emma Munger. We'll be back in your feed in a few weeks. This new series follows Niall as he travels across the country talking with some of today's most fascinating artists about the moments that shaped their lives and careers. On my wrist. And he was right. I wake up in the morning, and I get a complete picture of how my sleep went, which helps me understand the kinds of things that lead to a bad night, and the kinds of things that lead to a good night. 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