Miles Caton talks Sinners, Oscars, Michael B Jordan + Ryan Coogler Ep. 92 | The Crew Has It

- I hate In-N-Out. - You hate In-N-Out? - I hate In-N-Out. - What? - Nah, it's trash. - Oh my God. - So wait, so what burgers do you like? - Um. - You gotta get into this. This is a serious topic right here. - Yeah, the Grammys. Why don't you like In-N-Out? - Last one to the airport buys breakfast. - Buys breakfast. - Day one, day one. - I just realized, I met you before in the elevator. - At the drink, that's what I was saying. - Dude, that's so crazy. I didn't realize that, I didn't put two and two together 'cause had the movie come out yet at that point or now? - I think it was out by then, right? Yeah. - Maybe it just come out. - Yeah. - Yeah, but I think you were in LA for Her, I think you were talking about. Were you in LA for Her or were you in LA for? - No, that. - Was that BET? - It was either BET or Mafia-Thon 3. - Yeah, Mafia-Thon. - It was Mafia-Thon, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, fine. - We opened up for, I did the performance from the movie with Kai, like the beginning of the drama. - Oh, hell yeah. How was that? - It was dope. - Yeah? - It was dope, it was dope. Kai's like, just the way his brain thinks is dope. Like he always has a plan and like he's like a visionary, so it was dope to see how he put it together and kind of, - Yeah. - he's kind of like a dude. - Like a director for real, so it was dope. - Yeah, I feel the same way. Do you watch a lot of YouTube stuff? - Mm, not as much as I used to, but I still do. I still be trying to like tap in. - Yeah, 'cause I used to see David Dobrik do a lot of stuff on YouTube, and then I became friends with him, and then I, so I would be around it and I'm like, "Oh, this guy's actually like a genius." - Yeah. - Like the way he sets everything up, you just think it's all, it all just happens? - Yeah. - No, he's like, "Please come here." - Facts, facts, facts. - Everyone like, it is kind of just like, I'm curious. - And there's an art to it. You've been on Kai's stuff too, right? - Yeah, I put him on Kai like a few times. I didn't do like none of the Mafia times though. I wasn't there for none of the Mafia times, but I just put up on him like a random, random ass day, he's just streaming, we just kicked it for a little bit. - So how you feeling, bro? How is everything? - Bro. - Life's good? - It's been a crazy, it's been a crazy like two years, bro. Like, life changer. I feel good though. - Like this though, right? - This, bro. Literally this. I mean, I feel like everything was kind of like a stepping stone, like starting out. I started singing background for her, then we opened up for Coldplay. And then from that, I went straight into the movie. So it was like, everything just changed so fast, bro. - So how did you, so let's go from the beginning. So I toured with her. How did that all happen? - Yeah. So that was, I want to say that was like 20, like 2021. Like, this is like still in the pandemic, like working out of it though. So mask and all that stuff. And we, she was looking for new bands and background singers for a new tour. And we was in Brooklyn and like, there was, I heard about audition. So I just went and I did like a trial run with them for the day and I was 16 at the time. So she was, we was trying to figure out how that would work. Like how I'd be able to like be on tour. And like, I couldn't legally fly by myself. It's like, they had to give me a guardian and stuff like that. But I did the audition that day and it was like, nah, we got to figure out how to get him on the road. - So what you were like, what, 14, 15? - I was, I was 16. - And you were doing background for, that's crazy. - So what was your audition? Did you know, like, did you know, like, did you leave knowing like, yeah, I ain't gonna lie. They, they, they going with me. - Yeah, they rocked me, yeah. They said, they said it by the end of the joint. Like I did. - Oh, they said it right there? - Yeah. - Fine. - So I did, like I learned a couple of the songs before I got there and then I sung best part and I did like Daniel Caesar's part. And after that, it was like, yeah, he's going with us. - So, so you started acting after the pandemic? Completely? - After the pandemic. - All right, so you don't, have you been to an in-person audition before? - I did once when I was a kid. - Okay. - But like that was, it was for, remember that new edition story? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I auditioned for that. Didn't get it, but that was my only in-person audition. - Bro. - How, what year was that? That was like, what, 20? 'Cause when did it, when did the new edition come out? - Like 2018, 2019. - Damn. - Yeah. - That's crazy, so, yo. - Yeah, it was in the city. - Bro, honestly, the way the business is right now, bro, you might not ever have another in-person audition, bro. - Bro, I'm good with that. I'm good with that, bro. I rock with the soft tape. I was doing it before I liked it, but now I'm like, I want in-person back. - Really? - Like, dude, I love in-person. - Yeah. - I just love it. - I like, like we had this conversation back in time. I like in-person because like, you have to have like a different level of preparation. - Yeah. - For sure. - Number one, so it kind of just like motivates you to really be prepared. Number two. - You're off book. - Yeah, yeah, you gotta be off, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Off the books. - Gotta be off book. And then number two is just like, you just get to be in a room with the people. Like, you know, like the producer is there. So whether or not, like we say this all the time, whether or not you, you know, you get the role, you kind of just capture the room and they'll have you like, they'll have you in their minds for whatever else they have. - Something else, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, so. - And it's like the presence too. - Yeah. - You can't beat that. - I think that's the biggest thing. - The presence in the room and like, yeah, for sure. - So, so you're on tour with her. - Yep. - What's that like? Is it, is crazy stuff happening or is it just kind of, it's very, is it calm? - Nah, it was, it was dope, bro. Like that was my first time really, I guess, like being out and like away from my family for long periods of time. I grew up in a musical family. So like everybody sings or plays some type of instrument. So that was my first time really being on my own. Like I didn't, you know, go to college and nothing like that. So like, that was like my experience, like getting to see what it's like to be an adult, like on your own, on the, on the road. So it was, it was lit, bro. - That's fire. - It was fire. - Did you have the moments like, damn, I miss my family. I wish I had somebody on the road with me. - Yeah, we would be going like, well, I had people that I knew on the tour already. So it was kind of like familiar faces, but I, it was like, yeah, I was just on my own. I'm like kind of just doing my own thing and it was fun, but I was still doing homework and stuff. I was like, bro, I will be doing, you do a show and I got to go back. I got finished. I want to say I finished like 10th through 12th grade on the road, like just remote. So it was, it was a, it was a crazy lock in, bro. - How long, how long was the tour? How long did it last? - The tour, bro, we toured for like three years straight. So it would be like three months. We'll go back home and then do another three months. So it was like off and on, but like we continued to tour. - So between the three months, how long of a break would it be? - It would be like, maybe like a week. - Oh my God. - Maybe like a week or two and I'll go back. So that, when I first, when it first started happening, I was still in school. So I go on the, on the road and I come back to school and like be like two, three weeks behind, like on work. - Oh my God. - And like, yeah, we got to figure this out. So they finally figured out a way for me to do everything remote. And then I was going after that. - I would be in school, I would be sitting down, bro. I couldn't imagine not being in school. - I'd be in math class or some algebra, just be sitting there like, bro, what am I doing here, bro? - But realistically, what us three, has any of us used algebra ever? - Never in my life. - Since the day we left school. - Since I left school, I haven't used algebra once. - It's insane to me. So wait, so you would be on Zoom, like on the tour bus? - Well, it wasn't Zoom. So I had all my, I had all my work for the year. So I would just have to get it done. Like as much, so I'm the type of person, like I try to get my work done first so I could just do it. I like to think about it, have fun. So I would like do like, maybe like a week or two worth of work in one sitting. And then I'd be like, I got time to chill and then just keep up with it. - Yeah, I usually have the fun for the week or two, and then the day before it's supposed to be done, I'm like, oh my God. We kind of have flip-flop situations right there. Do you have a favorite city that you, like was there a city that you went to or a show that you remember that was just like, this is crazy? - Bro, we did a show in Manchester. - Oh yeah, the UK fans. - Bro, UK, bro. - Yeah. - Bro, they got like their respect for like music and stuff is just on a different level, I feel like. So the crowd was crazy. - Yeah. - So while you're touring, how did the audition for "Centers" happen? - So that was, I was doing a show. We were doing a show with her, I was singing background. And somebody at the show, Kevin Gelbart at CAA, he saw me in the crowd and he told her he should audition for this movie. And I think I was like 18, 18 at the time. So we get back home and she calls me one day and she tells me that. And she connected me with CAA and everything. And I just started sending auditions and stuff through there. I think I did like an interview while we was in, we did like a festival in Johannesburg in Africa. - Fire. - And I did like an interview literally in the hotel, just selling my name, height, whatever that I sent that in. I got a call back. I sent them another video of me like singing a song. Then I sent, then they asked for like a video of me playing the guitar. So I learned this, I learned "Bring It On Home" to me by Sam Cooke. It was like, like a five minute tutorial on YouTube. And I just learned it real quick. - That's fire. - I sent that in bro. And they was like, oh now he can play guitar. So I was like, yeah, they want to bring me in for an in-person audition. So once we got to that point, I was like, nah, this is getting serious. This was like maybe like a couple of weeks apart. So I get to LA and I get to the in-person audition and it's literally everybody in the room. Ryan Coogler was in the room. Michael B. Jordan was in the room. Louis Vigorentsen, the composer was in the room. Everybody was in there. So I was like, nah, they kind of fake ambushed me. - Oh, they didn't tell you any of this? - Nah, they didn't tell me all of them was going to be, I knew Mike was going to be in there. - But it's always kind of better. - Nah, true, true. - Because if you built that up in your head, yeah. - You would have had probably a different type, you would have had some nerves going, you feel me? They just like, you just got to show up, bro. That's crazy. - So I did everything in audition. It went well and went smooth. And then after that, they, the composer tried to get me to learn a song like on the spot and that's when they oh no he don't know how to play guitar i had to get like acting i mean um guitar lessons and all that stuff to prepare for the role so but yeah that was that was the audition so what was the did you do a scene scene in the audition yeah so which scene was it we did the scene he read the line for my my father like the opening scene when he's like going into the church and he's talking about the guitar and all that stuff and like you can't do that so we did that scene and then we did like i think one of the car scenes with me and him driving in the car so we did those two and after that it was like that that's fine were you reading with a casting director or was mike it was a casting director yeah yeah he was just watching no he was reading too oh but then i did some with the casting director too because she read the um she read perlene's lines okay damn yeah so you do you leave that audition thinking you're getting the movie or he's like yeah it was a mix bro it was like i felt good but it was like you never really know yeah right it's like i was like yeah like goodbye he's like we'll stay in touch i was like bro yes they always say that they always say that i got back home it was probably like a week like a week or two after that and ryan called me on my phone he was like bro he's like i want you to be a part of this project that's fine yeah i lost it that's fine and now was that your first time on a set yeah yeah and that's a big set we shot it in new orleans for like four months so like the first time being on the stage like they built the juke inside the station it was crazy bro that's fine it was like a whole new world he's gonna go shoot like another like movies and you'd be like this is not yeah he's like he's like i'm excited definitely excited for the next one but like everybody's like bro this experience is so different from anything else so you gotta like just take it for what it is so how the audition happened how much later did you start shooting um i'd say probably about like maybe like three months later okay because i had two months to prepare for the role so i worked with um beth mcguire like she was like the acting and dialect coach i worked with her and then i worked with the guitar teacher and we had two months before we went out to film and uh where did you guys film that in new orleans in new orleans and so well it's just fine the best fire such a great place to be out there bro it's a great place to be out there bro even the mothers nah bro mother's the soul food it's a crazy spot i haven't been a mother i'm slacking crazy spot where were you guys staying you did they have everyone in houses yeah that was crazy too like finding the houses and stuff was crazy but then i i um i found this one spot it's crazy because it was called the cotton mill it was a nice it was it was a dope spot yeah yeah we was there for four months it was like dope just kind of getting to be out like being amongst the people like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like that like they're just like like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like that like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like that like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like that like everybody in new orleans like the uber drivers and stuff like that they know the city so well that they know the city so well that they know the city so well like everybody's like super cool and like like everybody's like super cool and like like everybody's like super cool and like everything so did everyone know that this everything so did everyone know that this everything so did everyone know that this movie was being shot or was it kind of movie was being shot or was it kind of movie was being shot or was it kind of like people didn't really know they'd like people didn't really know they'd like people didn't really know they'd they kind of did but like it was under a they kind of did but like it was under a they kind of did but like it was under a secret name so we called it grilled cheese secret name so we called it grilled cheese secret name so we called it grilled cheese got picked up got picked up and then you got picked up got picked up and then you got picked up got picked up and then you go hair makeup are you like is it kind of go hair makeup are you like is it kind of go hair makeup are you like is it kind of overwhelming are you like locked in like overwhelming are you like locked in like overwhelming are you like locked in like what's going through your mind i feel what's going through your mind i feel what's going through your mind i feel like i was like i was like i was locked in i feel like i was like locked in i feel like i was like locked in i feel like i was like because we did um we did a camera test because we did um we did a camera test because we did um we did a camera test day day day which is like the unofficial first day which is like the unofficial first day and then the first the first scene we and then the first the first scene we and then the first the first scene we shot shot shot was with um was with um was with um sammy and stack in the car and they're sammy and stack in the car and they're sammy and stack in the car and they're driving so that was the first thing we driving so that was the first thing we driving so that was the first thing we drove out to location we was in like drove out to location we was in like drove out to location we was in like thibodeau louisiana or something like thibodeau louisiana or something like thibodeau louisiana or something like that like that like that like someone in the plantations bro it was someone in the plantations bro it was someone in the plantations bro it was like a hundred and ten degrees like like a hundred and ten degrees like like a hundred and ten degrees like three-piece wool suits bro three-piece wool suits bro three-piece wool suits bro it was wild it was wild it was wild yeah but i just practiced as much as i yeah but i just practiced as much as i yeah but i just practiced as much as i could oh yeah i did the um could oh yeah i did the um could oh yeah i did the um when i when he plays the guitar that was when i when he plays the guitar that was when i when he plays the guitar that was the first scene i did so like the first scene i did so like the first scene i did so like i was definitely nervous but like once i was definitely nervous but like once i was definitely nervous but like once we got there and i seen everything i was we got there and i seen everything i was we got there and i seen everything i was like i gotta lock in yeah you got that like i gotta lock in yeah you got that like i gotta lock in yeah you got that first take out you're like first take out you're like first take out you're like literally you get that first take out literally you get that first take out literally you get that first take out you're like all right you're like all right you're like all right let's get it let's get it uh so um let's get it let's get it uh so um let's get it let's get it uh so um what what what what what what what is ryan like on set like how is he as a is ryan like on set like how is he as a is ryan like on set like how is he as a director is he director is he is he super hands-on with the actors does he let the actors do what they want like now he's super hands-on he's um the best way to describe him is really like a like a coach like he used to play football so i feel like he adapted a lot of those traits and like just kind of being a leader and like working with everybody he's super collaborative so it's like it's no wrong answer it's no wrong way to try you know different things it would be times where i would like be on set and i would ask him like yo how should i do this like how should i portray this and he'd be like yo what would you think like what is your interpretation of it so like he kind of gave everybody free reigns to try different stuff so it was like it made for a dope environment like yeah especially that being my first time and like kind of not wanting to like try too much or like embarrass myself he was like nah bro like throw all that out the window and like just just try different stuff yeah i feel like honestly that's what a lot of acting is is like being okay to fail or be embarrassed so that's when i think the the best stuff comes out for sure do you remember a moment where you were on that set where you tried something and maybe it made it on in the movie um or maybe seeing another person that did something and you're like oh wow that was interesting yeah yeah definitely um omar miller who played cornbread his improv is good delroy lindo too like both of them like the improv just is just crazy oh so they were improv that was yeah yeah like um there were the scene where we're doing like the chain gang like we're driving past and he's telling the story and then he starts going into song and starts singing all of that was like improv so it's like even me being the first time acting like kind of learning how to like just roll with it like it was it was it was different but it was it was crazy did you try any improv i feel like i did i don't remember i don't know if anything made it i don't know do you remember a uh a note that uh ryan had had given you that you remember that maybe was great or maybe helped you or like a specific thing or yeah he probably gave you a lot no no he did i'm trying to think if you like know one thing that you're like this is great because look i'm trying to get in the coogler set here this is close i'm getting right now i'm trying to think i don't know if i could think of anything in particular but like just on a daily it was just literally just about like just not being afraid to to try stuff like i think that was the biggest thing you know like i learned the lines down which was something i thought was going to be tricky too but it's like once you go day by day it's like you know what stuff you got to work on so it's like you learn your lines and then you practice it a certain way but like yeah it's just it's just always it was always dope how long was that shoot that was four months four months four months yeah yeah so that there's definitely a lot of notes that has a lot of notes he's like that's a lot of those so all right so the movie wraps movie wraps when you're making it are you and it's done are you like this is going to be a massive hit do you not know yeah what do you even think about it like you even think about that while you're on the set not for sure yeah sure like every day because it was it was like reading it on a page was one thing but then seeing it in person it was like a whole different thing yeah so it's like as we were making it like we felt like it was special and then like some stuff was just like it was like some stuff was just crazy bro like the like some of the things that ryan would like try on the day it was just like you'd never know like how it was gonna land so it's like we knew we had something special but we didn't know how people would react to it and then it turned out to be what it turned out to be so what do you do movie wraps before it comes out what's the next nine months of your life like are you back to doing homework or he's doing yeah the movie wraps but it hasn't come out yet yeah and there's like that period beforehand where you're like i might pop i'm like who knows yeah so i think i went back home um i chilled i got back in the studio we did a bunch of adr um yeah voiceover work and then i want to say maybe like a month or two like before like the trailer and all that stuff started coming out um mike facetimed me he showed me like the official like the unofficial trailer and i was just like blown away bro i was like nah this joint is about to go crazy bro it's about to go crazy did you see it for the first time at the premiere no no i saw it before that i had to yeah yeah yeah i had to bro and like that's the thing with ryan too it's like he he um he made sure everybody watched the movie he asked everybody the whole cast for their notes like what do you think so it was like even from the first like first draft he was i remember the first time he played it for us it was me it was omar delroy jack o'connell who plays remick um and he brought us to the theater to the warner brothers live and we watched it for the first time and we literally sat there after for like two hours just talking about the whole thing and like he's like yo send me your notes let me know what you think could be better what needs to be added back with and like that's that's literally how he is you drove home with the radio off after that bro he did not play i was speechless bro like i didn't have no words like i i couldn't even process like what i was seeing so leading up to the movie come out you start to impress yeah are you are you nervous about this yeah yeah that's i think that's when it really hit me like like everything that was about to happen like me like You know on the music side and kind of grinding like working my way up and then like getting this big opportunity I think maybe like leading leading right up to the press run like we did like PR sessions and stuff like that and like they're telling us like, you know You kind of got to keep the movie like like open-ended like call it like a genre bending film Like don't try to box it in just like it's all these different notes that I'm getting and I'm just kind of like getting in My head just like it's like how So I was like Stress that should be the worst. Yes the words cuz you get in your head before like you got like five six interviews lined up You like about to ask me the same questions, but how could I answer them different ways without? Saying what they don't want me to say Like just getting the hang of that black once I got into it. I became more comfortable became easy. Yeah, okay The movie comes out. Yeah Like what what's going through your head? Are you like cuz you up you pop like that was kind of like your moment Yeah, do you feel like? Do you feel do you feel overwhelmed like that happened soon? Or were you waiting for this your whole life? Like I'm always curious to know like what what in people's minds are they like? This was always meant to be at this moment or or was it oh this all happened overnight Like how did you feel? 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It was like I Know cuz acting is it's kind of similar to music in a lot of ways cuz like I'm specially performing cuz like you're you're trying to convey a message, you know, like we're acting is It's kind of trickier because it's like you have you have to do it sometimes without speaking Which are which are facial expressions which are you know, your stance your stature? So it's like learning all of those little things. It's like dang and it's also like you get to become a Different person, you know and kind of understand a different perspective with my music It's my perspective is my story and I get to portray how I want but like when it's acting you have to Become that character understand how that character thinks and then portray it, you know to other people. So it's it's a dope balance What do you like better? I respect it a lot It's always gonna be music. Music is my heart bro, but like acting is fun bro acting is fun so what obviously you said you came from from the musical family, but like what was like What was your spark for like for your love of music like obviously your singers your instrument plays in your family, but what was your spark? Honestly, but I say just just like performing like just like singing in front of people like I feel comfortable on the stage and I started singing when I was Three, you know, I grew up in church and stuff like that. So that was like just something I've always known It's like it's nothing that I've ever had to question. So nice. That's why going into acting was so different For me because it's like I didn't know like, you know, I didn't know how good I was I didn't know if people was telling me the truth and I was lying So I'm like, hey, I don't have no way to really gauge it. So it's like you kind of have to learn as you go I think I think like you like being comfortable on the stage you being comfortable performing in front of people That's like what makes you definitely help the me help the help you made you Look like I didn't know that was your first movie, bro. I did not know. That's crazy. I swear. As an actor, I'm also curious about your answer Mike. It's so funny like we've done how many episodes and I still ask him questions every episode I'm curious, but like wait, so when you're on a TV show, I don't know if you know this But there's a different director every episode for most TV shows I didn't know that so like some some directors will come in and they'll be kind of hands-on and then you'll go like a stretch of like five six episodes where the director won't say anything to you and You're just like like am I like doing? Okay, am I doing like good work, but they're honestly so wrapped up And their own stuff, they're they're wrapped up and like other stuff I think they would tell you if they needed something different but I'm the type of actor that I like being like like I don't know maybe if it's like positive reinforcement, I'm like You killed that scene like hell yeah, we're moving on. But when the directors goes we're moving on I'm like fuck They want me to do something different. How do you guys both feel like do you like the positive reinforcement? Would you rather director say nothing to you because I know actors that like both. Yeah, I would say I would say I like I like the positive reinforcement because it's just like it's just like You giving the director what he wants, you know I'm saying like when this is when they're just because a lot of directors aren't like that I mean they like they focus on the shot they focus on how they're you know Telling their story through the lens like rather than you know the actor So when this when you work with someone like that It's like you kind of do get in your head like damn was that take actually good or did the camera just pan the right? way that the director wanted it to pan you know what I mean? I don't know. I mess with both cuz at the at the same time if you're not, you know Doing what you're supposed to do even a director. That's not super hands-on. He's gonna come to you. Yeah if he's not you know if you work on one of those he's not coming to you telling you too much then that means you you most likely doing something right I'm right yeah yeah what about you I feel like definitely the positive reinforcement yeah I mean that being my first project Ryan he's super like I say super collaborative and like after every like especially when it's just you're seen like after every take no come checking on you like how you doing bro what you need that I love that it's like you need a confidence boost I needed that so it's like he he was there yeah yeah sometimes it is great as a director because if they give you the confidence boost you're you're willing to take a bigger risk yeah I think that's what makes a director from good to great hundred because if they if they give you the confidence to do what you're gonna do now obviously you're gonna fail but like that's the best part about film is they'll cut the piece that was right and then cut back to the other so yeah it's very interesting so the Oscar nominations come out how many Oscars did sinners get nominated for Michael do you know the exact numbers or I want to say 16 oh boy swept that shit did you get was it nominated for all their music any the song was nominated yeah yeah yeah yeah yep a lot you was nominated for Oscar yeah and for Grammy Wow who are you up against K-pop D-minus bruh K-pop D-minus bruh it was K-pop D-minus they won yeah but you went to the Oscars went to the Oscars so all right so take me through that went to the Oscars and performed at the Oscars oh you what you perform yeah yeah so what we did we recreated the scene yes okay I do remember that yeah yeah yeah that's tough it was like it was like little talk cuz you'd like during the um the Oscar campaign like we did a lot of um screenings a lot of Q&A's and stuff like that but then once we got closer to the awards campaign and like we knew we were gonna do like a Oscar run like a big Oscar run like that's when the talk started happening so they was like yeah probably gonna be performance and like closer the closer we got to the to the show like you just kept hearing more stuff about it and they finally confirmed it like probably like two weeks before the Oscars it was like bro what two weeks get to it bro so we start we did we did like a couple days of rehearsal cuz that scene is like it's a lot going on it's a lot of different you know dancers and like musicians and stuff like that so we um started putting that together and then the day of I was just I feel like I was just dreaming bro I have to go back and watch it to really process everything that happened cuz like it was everything was just going but did the performance and then just got to enjoy the show but like being around like all of those people like you grew up watching this is crazy are you going in being like I want to win or you just like I'm happy I'm not I mean of course I really I wanted to win for Mike yeah I'm glad he won that book cuz he deserved it like just seeing the work that he did have money on him when I thought shall they was gonna have money on him winning did you talk to Mike did he think he was gonna win or like what was his he was he wasn't even like thinking about he was like bro we did it she was like you get nominated that alone is the win you have no I'm too much of my heart you know no I mean I'll probably be the same way but it's like yeah at the end of the day bro like you you're up against the literal best talent of the best of the best of that year just even being in that that will be in that conversation like that is a dub that is a dub yeah I agree that it's a dub but I still need that I need the money like for him though like he's been doing his whole life bro like he's been acting since he was a kid so like just seeing like how much work he's put into how he's how invested he's been and like diligent bro like his work ethic is like I've never seen nobody work like that like so I know he wanted that yeah I know you wanted that so how many how many Oscars did sinners win like Mike won and then what what what were the other wins that you guys had I think I think Ryan won Best Original Screenplay yeah Mike won Best Actor um what was oh um our cinematographer she won yeah of course I want to say probably like probably like three or four I'd say three or four yeah that's a good night yeah bro that's a good night I was just happy to be there bro what was that celebration like yeah that's right I was going I was like what was the celebration like yeah I went to Vanity Fair and then we went to the gold party oh yeah Jay-z yeah fire bro fire that was crazy too and what uh did you did you like after party at all or you went home after that no that was it that was after party did you after after party I didn't have to have to party I didn't have to have to have to have to have to Michael would still be up right now like Mike the Oscars were three months ago I like that we still rock you still on time bro what are some like who are some of the people you met during that night and you like damn like I'm in the same room or or not even met or like you just you you just saw them there or some of the people you did me and you're like damn like I mean at the Oscars everybody that's what I'm saying everybody bro like Leonardo DiCaprio that was crazy bro and like I saw him a couple times throughout the run but like we actually got to talk for a little bit and he was just saying how proud he was and like how much he rocked with the movie he's such a sweet guy he's a good dude he's a good dude super chill yeah bro any any music people that you were like um um yeah yeah Justin Bieber oh yeah um I've been putting Michael on to the new album swag yeah but everybody bro yeah everybody who are some of your musical like inspirations like that drove you to be like ah yeah I'm I'm doing this music yeah I mean I grew up listening to a lot of like Stevie Wonder Donny Hathaway fine uh Michael Jackson and then like as I got older I started listening to a lot of like J Cole Kendrick um scissors yeah we're gonna take a quick break from the episode and talk to you guys about our friends at rocket money rocket money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings all right so the boys be kicking it sometimes you know sometimes we take a little trips to Turks and Caicos and sometimes I don't even realize how much money you're spending but rocket money holds it down for me you know you put everything in one app so when you get back from the trip you realize how much you spent and maybe next time I won't spend as much because one Birkin two Birkin three Birkin four you all get a Birkin who goes oh my God I spent this much on Birkins I gotta relax a little bit and then rocket money tells me like yo relax you're doing a little bit too much over there 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pieces so were you on the coldplay tour where the where the lady got caught were you touring with them no that was like right after oh bro i was like oh imagine if he was there bro it's just so crazy though because like when you're there and you're in the stadium like and you're in there in person like you look around and you see like how like big the stadium is like how small the people are and for that camera to land on yeah yeah that was oh yeah did you interact with coldplay at all when you guys were on tour yeah yeah i um chris martin bro he was super cool bro he would be playing like basketball like we was um he was at this venue the stadium in argentina for like two weeks and like there was like a lot of downtime so we would get to the stadium probably like four or five hours before the show and chris martin like the whole team would be there he would there was like a basketball court in there he would just pull up and just play basketball with us like just be chilling bro yeah so when you got like when you when you first got like got the news he was going on tour with them or whatever did you did you have any thoughts about like how the crowd will react to because i would probably think their music is a a lot different than what you make and then their audience is probably you know probably for sure way different than what you you you would you would like to hear from them you used to so yeah did you have that in your mind like damn how's the audience going to react yeah or was you just like i'm about to go rock this i mean it's always i'm gonna do my thing but it's like you you never know how people gonna react and it's like we was in like dr we was in like germany and stuff like that so it's like some crowds you could kind of tell the difference but like the energy in the stadium is just so crazy so it's like adrenaline you just feed off yeah did you talk to her after you uh won like everything and the movie happened all that yeah yeah like throughout and then she came to we did a uh a premiere in london and she pulled up to that and then we went on after that and like just kind of just talked about everything and like she was just so proud is she british no she's not she's from she's from vallejo oh yeah i didn't know if she was british who's the who's the other girl that's british i forgot her name what lma yeah yeah okay yeah i i thought she was british or maybe not yeah yeah but um yeah bro she was british she was british she was british she was just super proud like like i said i don't think nobody could have like predicted that like i didn't even know when i auditioned i didn't know how big the role was gonna be i thought i was gonna have a small part i was like number eight on the call sheet that's pretty sick that's a high number right there it's crazy i was like just like everything was like a learning experience bro like the prosthetics and stuff like just getting to see all that process every day it was like i learned a lot yeah yeah uh so if you could work with someone right now actor and and uh musician who would it be like next projects you pick one each who's like the dream for you but i would love to collab with like sizzle or kendrick those probably like my top two favorite artists fire um no drake for you drake drake no no no i'm not getting that bro i'm mutual bro both of them both of them were adult bro both of them goaded um movie but i'm trying to lock in with y'all bro what's the word you gotta do some shit bro hell yeah thanks bro y'all been killing for a minute bro like consistently bro doing y'all thing bro so that's a lot we're striking no keep going keep going do you want to do like a tv show next are you like or do you want to go back on tour are you trying to do more movies like what what's ideal for you i definitely want to do more movies i'm working on a ep right now it's coming out soon oh yeah and i'm a tour after that and then i think i'm gonna jump back on the acting side after that yeah but i love movies bro like i love like action adventure movies um sci-fi yeah i want to do tv shows too yeah yeah what are some of your favorite movies give me like a like a list of three because there's probably three it could be a lot three um scarface fire avengers probably like in-game or infinity war wow and um i'll probably say x-men first class okay okay so this is good that you did this because this is i need information on this yeah yeah i'm not shading anyone i don't understand marvel yeah like i i don't i i think people love it yeah and i'm just like okay i love is is is spider-man marvel smarter okay i love the spider-man movies tom holland's dope all this stuff all the uh uh dr strange and all this stuff where does everything fit in like i understand why people like i mean i don't understand like everything yeah it's you pick those as two is your favorite movie so i need i need the reasons it is i mean it's just the the world bro like especially if you watch like if you watch all of them in their own movies like if you watch iron man if you watch captain america if you watch doctor strange it's like all of it ties together so it's like just following that storyline is just dope and then when it when they all come together it's just it's a crazy so what's the first one in the timeline because yo that that's a good question because there's so much that's right because the multiverse is like the multiverse is like so crazy now so everything is mixed up the order is different so it's kind of hard to pinpoint yeah but might be might be captain america might be between dude i loved uh um the spider-verse one spider where toby came back oh dude it was crazy sick yeah i loved it if you could play a superhero who would it be i wouldn't be miles morales yeah dude i was gonna say you'd make it dope i would do it yeah i'll do it hands down for sure i mean we had shamik on but yeah they have never made a live action no not yet not yet they need to you know who should do it ryan you and ryan should do it together i'll be crazy i'm saying that right here right now i'm putting that out there bro that would be crazy uh mike you know what i'm saying i'm saying that right here right now i'm putting that out there that would be crazy bro that would be crazy uh mike what do you do you watch any of the marvel movies not because like i feel like you gotta so much i feel like you had to be you had to be locked in from a certain point to really like to really fully understand like obviously i like i love the spider-man i love the spider-man miles morales all of that like i i rock with it but i wouldn't say like i'm super locked in bro because it's you know me bro my attention span is yeah i gotta although we did watch obsession last night you didn't look at your phone one time yo i just that movie is od though that movie is old that movie is od like that i've been watching the whole time the whole time when did you watch it i just seen it what's today today monday monday monday saturday saturday yeah i watched it yesterday bro what's what's what's what's that what's that girl's name that played um indy navarette she's she's tall oh the way she like switches like that like that's like that's different i said it's weird because i i don't know if you do this but i watch movies and and i don't know if michael as well but i watch movies as an actor and i hate it because being an actor has has ruined a lot of stuff for me but yeah dude the best movies i don't you don't but i popped out for a second i said i literally looked over at michael and i was like bro i totally forgot she was an actor for a second like i said that bro she was hopping in and out like she was unbelievable and it's crazy because those beats usually when when we watching movies like we probably we we have mad to say about them like we just always like we like it's not like we're talking about it but like we just always have like we just always talking about it from like a from an actor's like viewpoint yesterday bro we literally just was watching it like you know like just facts i had nothing to say bro it was just it was crazy dude it was honestly really really inspiring because that kid curry barker is a youtuber crazy that he he made like sketches and all that stuff and he made something like that it just it goes to show that there actually are no rules anymore no rules even like you know you're doing music hopping sinners like do all that stuff like there are no rules and and and i just i love it and it was so creative like even even the shot at the end of the movie where was it tv upside down and his name was on it like if you haven't seen obsession go watch it i promise you it was unbelievable anything um but yeah let's we got some rapid fire questions for you all right and then um and then and then we'll get you out of here i mean i feel like some of these we did talk about but um okay dream director you already worked with cougar so anyone besides him and i'm gonna go maybe quentin tarantino ah bro this is my guy you got a good cool dog he knows what's your favorite tarantino movie bro i probably django bro yeah yeah tango was crazy he knows ball yeah yeah leo's so fired up jamie together sam um most underrated actor hmm Most underrated actor? While you're thinking. Am I really at liberty to say that? Yourself? No, no, no. I'm saying like in general, bro. Yeah. I don't feel like I'm there yet. But you can have an opinion of someone that you think. You want to know who mine is? Well, I'll give you. Omar Benson Miller. Omar Benson Miller. I think he's so underrated. You know who Omar is? He was in Get Rich or Die Trying, 8 Mile. He played a 50s boy in Get Rich or Die Trying. Ballers. And Eminem's Ballers. He's the man, by the way. I love him. Yeah, bro. But that's who mine is. That's a great one. Yeah. That's a great one. Omar is like, and he's just a dope person, bro. Like, he's mad funny. Like, just super chill dude. Yeah. You don't even want to give one. You're at liberty, bro. You were at the Oscars for a movie that you were in. I'm trying to think. Underrated, underrated, underrated, underrated. I'm going to say. Maybe Millie Bobby Brown. I think she's dope, too. Yeah, she is. Okay. That's a good one. Are you a Stranger Things fan? Yeah. You love Syphilis. I told you, bro. I told you, bro. But bigger than I thought. Actually, we'll say most underrated musician, too, actually. That's a good one. I'm going to say John Bellion. I don't know who that is. John Bellion. Do you know who that is? He's super dope. Nah, he's super dope. What kind of music does he make? Um. I'd probably say, like, alternative, like, pop. Yeah, yeah. He's super dope. He's dope. He's dope. He's tapping. Best album of all time. What? I love making people, like, squirm. They're like, oh, how do I do that? Dang. I mean, you got. You can give a list of three. I'm going to give a list. Give a list of three. I'm going to go. After Get Rich or Die, try and give us a list. Bro, what? Facts. Facts. Facts. That's up there. That's up there. I'm going to say Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's got elite taste. Yeah. He just has elite taste. I'm going to leave it there. Okay, all right. I'm going to lie. Yeah, he's like, no. Get Rich or Die, try. I already know the answer to this. 50 out of 50, man. Have you met 50 yet? No, I haven't. Go. I haven't, bro. He's a goat. Oscar or Grammy? Grammy. Really? He already, bro, he already got the. I know, but like. He not throwing out their part already. Wait, wait, where were you when Michael was at In-N-Out? Were you there? No, I wasn't there. I think he did that like right after the show. He drew it right after the show. That was funny. Yeah, it's true. I hate In-N-Out. You hate In-N-Out? I hate In-N-Out. What? Nah, it's trash. Oh, my God. So what burgers do you like? You got to get into this. Yeah, fuck the Grammys. In-N-Out, bro, the fries. This is trash, bro. Bro, you're bugged out. The fries, look, look. Come on, bro. I don't think the fries are trash. Keep it a bean, bro. I think the fries is just like, they're just very simple, and they taste like potato chips. You want to know why they're simple? Because it's potato. But they complement the burger to me. I feel like they complement the, because this is my method. Every time I got a burger and some fries, I got to take a bite of the burger, and then a handful of the fries right after the bite of the burger. Okay. Because a lot of people like putting their fries on their burger. But it don't hit the same. You got to take a bite of the burger. Then the fries. Yeah, bro. But the burgers at In-N-Out, I mean, the fries at In-N-Out are potatoes. They just cut the potatoes and throw them in the fryer. I don't know. Maybe I'm used to the process of food, but Popeye's fries is better. Oh, yeah. Popeye's fries is different, though. What? Popeye's fries? Popeye's fries is different. Popeye's fries, yeah. What's your top three burgers? Top three burgers? I'm not even really like a burger person, but like. And he's at liberty to talk shit about In-N-Out. I'm saying this personally. I'm saying this on the West Coast. Five Guys. Okay. He knows ball. That's a good burger. I like the Five Guys fries, too. Five Guys fries is tough, too. I'm going to say Five Guys. Okay. Five Guys. He's going number one at Five Guys. All right. Hardest instrument to learn? Probably piano. Yeah? Piano is tough. I wish I knew the piano. Yeah, like, I've been. I've been playing piano probably since I was, like, maybe, like, 10. And, like, kind of, like, doing lessons, like, from different people here and there. But kind of, like, learning on my own. And it's, like, it's still, like, so much to learn. Like, I picked up guitar way faster. Really? Yeah. You know what's crazy? Because when I was younger, I played piano, like, a lot. Like, I learned, like. And I was way better at just playing by ear rather than just, like, reading the music and playing at the same. I don't know why I couldn't catch that. And then, like, I went on, like. Like, my pops, he had bought me Guitar Hero when I was, like, 8 years old. And then, like, I just fell in love with. Bro, Guitar Hero? Like, I fell in love with Guitar Hero. What is it? Yeah, bro. I still play it. You still got it? Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Bro, what console is that on? I got it on PS3. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it on my Wii. And then you could also get it on PC, too. Like, you get it on the. PC, PC. But, yeah, I was playing Guitar Hero. I'm like, nah, I got to actually start playing guitar. And I started taking guitar lessons. Yeah. Bro, it was so hard to learn guitar, bro. It's tough, bro. I'll just play Guitar Hero. No, he still plays it, dude. 3 a.m., I would go to that and say, like, Michael, he's, like, in there. Bro, it's mad fun, bro. I ain't play guitar in a minute. Yeah, guitar is tough. Dude, during the pandemic, I bought, um. You know when, like, day one happened, everyone was like, I'm going to bake bread, I'm going to pay, I'm going to do something. Everybody's starting to do anything. I went to, like, a music store, and I bought a keyboard. And I tried to, like, whatever, learn or get on Zoom with someone. I did one lesson, and I was like, nope. It's tough, bro. I'm past learning this. It's tough, bro. It's tough. That's something that, like, you need to put your kids in young. Yeah. That and, like, a language. That's my next question. Like, I can play well enough to, like, produce and, like, do my own stuff. But, like, yeah. Me too. But, like, playing, like, on some Beethoven crazy, like. No, no, no, no, no. It's, yeah, I don't know. It's over with. This coffee brought me back to life. If you could learn one language, what would it be? I mean, I feel like I should know Spanish. Because, like, my father's side is. He's Panamanian from Panama, and my mother's side is from Venezuela. And you like Latina girls. Is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I should know Spanish. But, like, I don't know. Yeah. What about you, Mike? If I had to learn. If you could, like, wake up tomorrow and know a language, what would it be? Like, no, man, that would be tough. I'm not going to lie. Probably Japanese. Yeah, because it's hard. Japanese, bro. Yeah. That's probably one of the hardest languages to learn. Why Japanese, though, specifically? Because then I could just go to Japan and really just. I'd be kicking it. I'd be cooling. You know me, bro. I love cars, bro. I love food. The car scene in Japan is ridiculous. The food out there is ridiculous. Shopping out there is ridiculous. So I could go out there, and if I knew Japanese, bro, oh, my God. It would be a movie. Bro, I want to go there. Like, Tokyo, that's like my. Tokyo? Oh, my God, please. That's on my bucket list. Is it? Yeah, let's take a trip. Let's do it. We got to do it. Anyone want to fly the boys out? A little bread trip? Let's do it, bro. Come on, bread trip. Hey, you from Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah. I had a question for you. I feel like I got to ask every New Yorker this, bro, because it gets serious. It gets serious. Bacon, egg, and cheese or chopped cheese? Bacon, egg, and cheese, bro. See? He's a smart guy. Come on, bro. He's a smart guy right here. Easy. On what, though? Bacon, egg, and cheese on a roll. I do light butter and pepper. That's it. What you do? That's a good guy. What you do? I just do salt, pepper, and ketchup, bro. Everything bagels. Salt, pepper, and ketchup. Everything bagels. You missed me with that. But we're smart. Yeah, nah. Look, look, look. Nah. You said that he didn't like In-N-Out burgers. I'm not. I'm not. My go-to has never been a bacon, egg, and cheese on a bagel, but it be some times where I literally have a bacon, egg, and cheese on a roll like five days in a row. Five days in a row, bro. Yeah, and then I'm like, you know what? Let me just throw it out. I go egg bagel, though. Not everything bagel. All right. Egg bagel is good. Egg bagel, yeah. I like egg bagel. That's fair. Toasted with butter. Do you have more rapid fire? I have one more. Go, go, go. Favorite on-set meal. That's my last one. Funny we were just talking about that. You were shooting cinnas. What was your go-to? You were in New Orleans, too, so there's food out there. Oh, my God. But they had good catering. The set had good catering. I'm so jealous. What's a Coogler catering set look like? My God, bro. They had a lot of stuff on the menu, bro. They had rib-eyes and stuff on it, bro. It was nice, bro. You get me on a Coogler set now, please. Coogler set is my set, bro. Please. Rib-eyes? Rib-eyes, bro. Yeah, give me over there, bro. Bro, you're spoiled. I can't wait till you go shoot an indie movie. Everyone does at some point. Even big movie stars go and shoot an indie sometimes. Chalamet's still shooting indies. Yeah. But that's the thing with me, bro. I genuinely love acting, bro. I love the process of it. Even with the mainstream and all that stuff, I really want to still get my chops up and still keep grinding. So I want to be a part of those, too. Fire. Fire. No more rib-eyes. No more rib-eyes for you. I might have to get the rib-eye myself and bring it to the set, but I'll do it. Hell yeah, bro. Thank you so much for pulling up. We never introduced you because we were excited to talk to you, but Miles Caton, Sinners. I mean, bro, what a treat this was. Yeah, bro. It was so dope talking to you. I didn't know we met before. That's actually insane. Yes, sir. We made it happen. All right. What's your Instagram? Just underscore Miles Caton. Underscore Miles Caton. You have TikTok? Everything, all that? Yeah, yeah. Same thing. TikTok. Hell yeah, all that. Michael Rainey Jr. Literally everywhere. Yes, sir. Or Where's 22? Yeah, where's 22? Do you want the altar? - Depends on how you feeling, you know. Depends on how you feeling. - Add Gianni Di Paolo. We got merch out right now. Is there anything else you want to plug? Any music coming out? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - All dropping. - Yep, yep, EP dropping soon. I got another single coming up soon. Y'all stay tuned for that. We about to go crazy. And yeah, bro. - Do you have a name for the EP yet, or? - Not yet, not yet, not yet, not yet. - What's the name of the single that's dropping? You got a name for that yet? - It's called "Lean On." - "Lean On"? - It's called "Lean On." Stay tuned for that. I can't wait to listen to it. - Yes, sir. Yes, sir, listen to it. - Mike, give us one. - The crew has it, you have it. The boy mouse came and pulled up on the boys. - Yeah! Thank you so much, bro. I appreciate it. - Appreciate you, bro. - Fire. - Buying breakfast. - Day one, day one. *Gunshot*