78. Mile Time Trials, Brick & Being “Fit Enough”

- It did freeze this time for me. - Okay. (laughing) - All right, what is up folks? Welcome back to another episode of lifting, running, and living with your favorite people, Kelly. - Hello. - Hey, and JK, that's me. This is episode number two in a row with the delay. - Yeah, that was weird. - It's weird, yeah. - I don't know. - It said one for like two seconds. - Yeah, wild. - All right. - Well, that's a second episode in a row. However, it is episode 78, 78. That's kind of wild. - I know. - All right, with that being said, let's jump right into things. We are gonna talk today, once we get a couple of updates on what's going on in our lives and our training maybe even. We are gonna talk about where each of us stands with the question, "How do you know when you're fit enough?" And also, I gotta go back and look at the thing I said to you, but also talking about how much is impacting? - Yeah. - Yeah. - How is social media, if at all, impacted how you think about that question? So, all right, before getting into that though, per the usual, let's do some updates, Kelly. What's going on with you? - All right, so I've got one running update today. - Okay, ready. - When did we talk last time? I already gotten back from Chicago, or was I going to Chicago? - Yeah, 'cause multiple bean trips. - Yeah, multiple bean trips. - You were back, yeah, yeah. And more incoming. (laughing) - I'm gonna have so many pictures of the bean. I can't wait. - You gotta find somewhere else to go to. - I will, now that I'm, okay, for the people, I have some Chicago types of coming for work again. So, I will, now that I'm comfortable with the brief part of the city I've seen, I can branch out. - Oh, you know what? I will, I'll connect with my friend. And she will, if you would like, she will definitely have some suggestions. - Yeah. - Because she lived downtown for, I don't even know how long, and then also ran. - Ooh. - So, yes. - Yeah, I don't know why I didn't think about it earlier. - Okay, yeah, I will, yeah. All right, anyways, updates, didn't mean to hijack you. - Anyways, well since Chicago, I feel like training has been, not back to normal. 'Cause I think I mentioned last time my heel has been getting better, but it was still annoying. So, like, speed workouts are not as fun. And then last week, basically all of us bailed on track Wednesday. So, I didn't do a speed workout. Yeah, and then lifting is a whole other story that I don't want to bring up today. But it's, I'm in a serious lull. - Yeah, that sounds like you're going through it right now. - Yeah, but so last week, one of my friends from track club Meg, it was her birthday, her 40th birthday on Saturday. - Happy birthday, Meg. - Yeah, happy birthday, Meg. So, she texted our track group Friday night, asking, does anyone want to run a mile-time trial tomorrow morning with me? 'Cause she has a goal of lowering her mile time, getting faster, and she's crazy like me, so, you know, it's a natural birthday event to do, run all out for a mile. (laughs) - Yeah, okay. - So I was like, why not? I guess I'll go, I didn't decide to start any morning, 'cause I ran my first double on Friday, and I was like, this might be risky, doing these two things back to back, but, you know? We'll see how it goes, 'cause my heel's been feeling good. That's the thing. It's like a mild hum sometimes, but it goes way pretty quickly and then by my next run, it's like not there. So, I met her and Sarah at the track Saturday morning, and since training's been not normal, and obviously I haven't race since that two mile, which one was that March? So, it's been a while, I have no idea what I can run for a mile, right? My frame of reference is the two mile, which didn't go as I planned, and then like races last year, which by this point, it's like over six months later, if not more. So, I was like, Sarah was trying to go sub seven, and that's been my goal for a while. I think I've talked about it on here every time I run a mile. So I was like, yeah, I'll go with you. We'll just try to run as fast as we can. So, for those who are unaware, a mile is 16.09 meters, not four laps. - Yeah. - Just gotta get that out there, 'cause I still, I see it all the time, and it really annoys me. (laughs) - Oh, good to know. - Yeah, I know we've talked about it before, but I think it's been like two years. - Yeah. - Yeah, four laps, not officially a mile. Anyway, so we get started, and essentially, to run the mile, you start a little bit back from the line, like the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, lane numbers, and then you do, your first lap is like 409 meters. So our first lap, I told Sarah before we started, that the track race I did last year, I ran the first lap way too fast. It was like a 133, which is not my fitness for a mile. That's like, low to mid-sixes, for reference. So we're running, I look, check my watch after our first lap, and it says 135, which means that our 400 was like 133, and I was like, oh no, it just might be a repeat of the track race a year ago. And it was 9 AM, and Denver's been quite warm. So I was like, oh no, how is this going to go? So we keep going, and when I tell you, I have never felt pain like this before. Yeah, after the first lap, my body was tingling. You know that feeling? When you're exerting so hard, you're tingling? Like redlining? During a run? Yeah, I imagine it can happen in other times. I don't, for me, it's only happening in a run. Yeah, that's. Maybe a bite. Again, you're talking to the person who, like, the whole like, yeah, sometimes I just run zone two, that's not a thing for me. Anyways, carry on. That's true. Anyway, so that was kind of what we were working with, and then we went through the two laps, or two in a little, at like three, 10, and I was like, oh my God, we're still going so fast. So at that point, I was like, well, I guess we just try to hang on here. Because you have no control over slowing down. Well, I kind of wanted to see. Well, I wanted to see how fast I could go, you know? Yeah, I hope. And it didn't feel as bad as the track meet from last year, partially because I think the track meet was at 7 p.m. and I was dehydrated. So running that first lap so fast, I was so parched, I couldn't swallow anymore, and I had no music. So I'm sorry, I had music, so I really helped. But yeah, the entire fourth lap, I literally was like, am I even going to make it to the finish? And there was a point where I was like, I think, you know how people in Marathon sometimes poop themselves? I have heard about this, yes. I had a thought, I was like, am I about to poop myself? Is this worth it? I didn't, for the record. But, the last 200 meters. Yeah, I definitely heard that before. Yeah, it was an interesting experience. So the hardest I've ever pushed myself in a mile, I think, it was harder than the track meet, even though I felt better. The track meet might have been harder, just because I've died and faded so much. Anyway, I end up running a 651, so. Dang, okay. Yeah, and then I was like, you know, everything I felt is validated because my previous mile was like, literally right around seven minutes. By my GPS, I might have run 659 at one point, but it wasn't like on a measured course. So this is the first one where it's like, I know on the track where the mile is. So it was exciting. This instance is legit. Yeah, versus like GPS is not always the most reliable. Congrats. Thanks, so that was encouraging. And I'm still trying to figure out which of the track meets I'm gonna do in the coming months. There's one next Friday, I'm undecided. No one signed up for the 1600 yet on the women's side, so. Yeah. That's one of my deterrent. I don't really want to be running alone or only with boys/men who are like running a 450 mile. -Yeah. -You know? And then there's me running two-minute slower. So anyway, yeah, that was exciting hard, but exciting, okay You and your miles, okay I just like I like yeah, you know that feeling. No Kelly. I don't You I mean you've gone to That running morning workout you would do I Didn't know if you ever randomly decided to go all out sprint you know, yeah I have I haven't I haven't hit I don't think it yeah, I don't think I've gone like Hard in the paint red line like I'm just Because red line I don't define red line for me as like when I actually hit the red line because otherwise that'd be you know 200 meters in but I'm talking like I am looking for an inhaler Which is not out of the realm of possibility for me if someone who's who identified as an asthmatic for a really really long time for like 30 years But yeah, I haven't been to that place in a while But that would be that would it typically been more like when CrossFit was a bigger percentage of the training that I did Because even now when I do Metcons I'm doing them by myself. I'm not in a class and yeah stuff like that So yeah, yeah, I would say it'd be similar to like if you go really hard on the assault bike Yeah, that's a special kind of pain. It is it is for sure. Yeah, all right So yes, my hey all right Let's see some my update by living update I figured I'd do a couple one kind of life related the brick to a brick. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan Yeah, I'm a fan so far so so far what I see as Really solid with it is Not specifically just the like how the device works itself because as soon as the way things work as soon as I Was really looking more intently at like the website and things like that Then I get a Facebook ad for something called a pause box Which it looks like it's essentially just the same type of idea and then what caught my eyes that pause box ought also has a key tag Oh, so you can yeah, you have a pause box go I think they call it or something like that and you have basically the box itself. Yeah, I do like that idea I like that idea that you have that yeah but I didn't what I noticed especially with Having like I just finished this book called contagious Which is about the science behind why things get shared and why things go viral basically like why people oh For example when they like when we were having like when you and I are having conversations and you're just like Oh, I got to tell you about this thing that I used like this brick, you know you talked about it There's it actually shares. I think it's like five or six specific Like things like it's a formula that's basically used to get things to go viral like why people talk about certain things And why they share certain things. So not even just viral. It's more like they continually will talk about it So I have that in the back of my mind that I've also got all the things that you've also been exposed to too when you were coaching Which understanding like engagement and how to nurture and all that stuff so what I think really sets it apart is In no specific like list but gamification for sure Yeah, so they definitely understand the gamification aspect of it when you're in the app and it's not It's not like clunky gamification where it looks like you're on like If any anybody's been on oh, what is the site? Why can't I think now? not which discord I feel like sometimes when I see a discord like screen. It's just too much going on Yeah, maybe it's just the people that I talk to so Like my not on discord, but the people that I talk to and they show me like they're on discord I'm like that's a lot going on on your screen right yeah, so just gamification very simplified It's almost like minimalized minimalist gamification. So that's really solid Especially for people who like to achieve goals and see streaks and things like that like it showing you Hey, you've been bricked for X number of hours and that's pretty cool The physical I will say that just like the physical setup of like you tap the thing So you get like that little dopamine hit like that's cool, and I think what's under what's going to be under Appreciated about it is that they've got a very solid email sequence For when you get the yes, when you get the device you'll get the basic The file email about you know did it did you get it a blah blah, however the like different tips for How to set goals in day one then like an infographic and a separate email There's an infographic on here's some suggestions on what you can do for your work mode. So I think right now like I see for sure Like the the strategy behind it and also the execution seems like really really solid have you solid Have you gotten your first recap email yet? I have not I like that the device since last Wednesday. I think last Wednesday afternoon is when I had it so Then I'll cut it after this. Yeah, so then even even the things like the different modes So you can set you know very similar to any sort of distraction Based or something that's built to reduce distraction just how you can have apps like be present and you know screen time and whatever there is you can go in and you know Set what apps you do or don't want to see. I think that even their ability to Have that menu like just their interface that they use is super intuitive So it's like here's the stuff that's social here's the stuff that's Productivity as they see it and then being able I think also being able to differentiate between okay I'm gonna set a mode that says what to block or I can set the mode that just says when I'm in this mode Only allow these things. I think being able to have that I have that I think is helpful too So I'm already yeah, so right now I just have two modes that I pretty much use one mode is just called every day Or it's actually called every day. So I don't st. Louis. So that particular one basically has Facebook and Instagram blocked but not threads Then I have one called anti-social that one has Facebook Instagram and threads blocked. So that's all and What I'm going to do is I'm going to set one up called work and What I've been doing is I've just been keeping a notes file of all the apps that I would Need to have access to if I was just locked in on just working. Yeah, so for example It's like well, don't want to forget you do actually want to still get text messages Yeah, you know during like if I'm good I work from home session But it was simple stuff like I forgot about the safari browser. I would want to make sure that I have access to that Yeah, so I'm instead of yeah, so I'm setting that up all like I'm just having notes file And so for the past couple of days as I've been doing work I've been like oh, yeah, I opened this. Oh, yeah, I opened that so that I can then by the end of this week I'll have that set up so it was stuff like cap cut Like I'm going to edit but maybe I'm not going on Instagram, but I'm going to edit some videos for later My Google calendar. I didn't even think about that Wait, hold on I need access to my calendar or like zoom like I don't want it because just in case if I'm having issues with my laptop Like I want to hop on zoom. I'll use my phone. So it's yeah, it's little things the last thing I would say is Yeah, definitely has made me more aware of when I was just picking up my phone and Opening social media just for no apparent reason what it actually made me really aware of even more was how often I go to Social media when I have like I'm curious about something. I don't specifically Like for example somebody told me about something that happened to somebody in our community recently today and so my first thought was oh, let me go on Facebook and see if I can Connect like I know somebody who's friends with that person. Let me see if they've posted something Maybe see what's going on and it's something that's happened within the community So my first thought wasn't to go to Safari and go to like the local news thing Yeah, it was to go to Facebook and then even when I'm on threads one of the things I noted was On threads if I posted something or if I saw I saw like a question I think it was that somebody asked and I answered the question or I added a comment and then they added another comment and I was like well Let me see like is this somebody like want to continue this conversation or is this somebody who's just trolling sort of thing And so you know on threads it has where you can tap in their Instagram profile Yeah, and I didn't realize how many times I would do that interesting. Yeah being very aware right now. Yeah, it's just the random. - Yeah. - So when I have the setting that is only showing threads been then blocking Facebook and Instagram, it was very interesting how often it wasn't even necessarily about going to Instagram to scroll. It would be Instagram and Facebook were kind of where I would go to find out more information about something. - Yeah. - Yeah, and I even told you about, I was realizing there's a handful of people that that's how I converse with them for the most part. Yeah, like a friend of mine has a podcast and I just listened to an episode of her podcast and I was like, oh snap, that was really great the way she broke that down. So I was gonna message her to tell her that and I was like, no, I, 'cause I wasn't at home, so this isn't worth one of my emergencies. - Yeah. - So I just put a comment on the podcast in Spotify instead. - Oh, nice. - Which is probably better anyway, but yeah, yeah. So that's, yeah, that'll be my update. I'm just gonna keep it at that. So yeah, the brick, I'm a fan so far. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, for very specific reasons. So I can see this being a whole, like I could probably do a whole podcast episode on that, for sure. - Yeah, so yeah. - I want to see how we feel in three months. - Why three months? - Like once it's not doing more, you know? I didn't know it. I was like, wait, what happens to the three months mark? Do they send it? - No, I'm just farther along. (laughs) - Yeah. Yeah. They're very solid though. Again, I don't think that it's necessarily anything that's special about the device itself. - No. - I just, as I was commenting to you to close this out, they do a fantastic job so far of everything, or most of the things that I've learned about how to keep someone engaged and almost like, addict them to your content. They do a fantastic job of taking that information and trying to use it to keep you utilizing their device. - Yeah. - It's the genius. Genius. So, yeah. - Yeah. - And the fact that it's magnetic. - Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I've just popped mine on the fridge, yeah. - Yeah, so smart. - Yeah, yeah. All right, wanna get into our topic? - Yeah. - All right, let's chat it up. - I see you talked to Jack G.B. Tisha. - Tisha, yeah. - Yeah. - I had a quick conversation with Tisha and did a probably a three-minute voice dump with all of the different things that I was just kind of thinking about it. So here's the background. - Wait, wait. - You've sent Tisha a voice memo? - Yeah, so instead of typing in the prompt, I just talk all the time. - You can talk? - Yeah, there's a microphone button. - I never knew you could do that. - Yeah, now I do have the pro or plus version, whatever it's called, but I'm pretty sure that's on everything. Yeah, you voice, you talk. So I say, so for example, I literally will just talk, just like we're talking right now. - Yeah. - I will literally just jump in there and be like, hey, so I've got this idea and here's the context for the idea, like I will purposely just ramble, just yap. - Interesting. - And then ask it, okay, based on all the things that I've talked about, I need you to organize that so that I can reference it for more of a structured conversation versus all of the ramble that I just gave you. And then yeah, I do that for sure. 'Cause it also, someone at some point, who teaches like AI prompts and skills had also talked to me about it beginning to get an understanding of voice inflection too, I think in tone, I could be wrong about that. - Oh, interesting. - Oh yeah, yeah, I word dump all the time, just word vomit, I mean, all the time, purposely, just ramble and then say, organize that all for me. So yeah. - I learned something new today. - Yeah, oh yeah. All right, so here is, okay, so here's the context for the topic of how do you know when you're in a good place with your fitness, and that's the overarching question here. How do you know when you're in a good place? So within the last few weeks here, I've taken some time to ask a handful of people that I know are consistent with working out in some way, shape or form. Just ask them, yeah, like how do you know? Well, at first I asked a few of them, like what's your goal right now? Where are you working on? And I specifically asked them because to my knowledge, they weren't specifically focused on weight loss. They weren't specifically focused on gaining muscle. They weren't specifically focused on, at that time, training for a specific, like an event, not even a 5K or anything. And this is a pretty decent cross section of people. The common theme is that I know them all and they all work out. That's the only common theme that they have. A lot of them don't even, a few of them know each other but not all. And so I asked, so what's your goal right now? Like what, what are you working on? And just about all of them in some way, shape or form, said like, you know, I'm just, I don't really have a goal right now. And to a person, they almost basically were like, yeah, I know it sounds weird and, but man, I'm just like, I'm in a good place. Like when I wanna go for a run, I can go for a run. When I, you know, I'll come in here for a class and I'll go for a class if I talk to them at the gym. They're like, sometimes I lift weights, sometimes I'm playing the rec sports, like that sort of thing. Like, but it seems weird to like, I guess, I mean, maybe I could go after this thing or maybe I, like a lot of them, and this was cross section of males and females, by the way. And then I went, this was not, yeah. And to a person, they all were just like, you know, sure, I guess like, maybe I could lose a few pounds or maybe I could put on a little bit more muscle, but I honestly like, I'm just really not interested in all that, like I got priorities right now. They all have family and whatnot. - Yeah. - So I got to thinking like, how do, like how do you know, how do you, me, and for the person listening? Like how do you know when you're actually in a good place with your fitness? And maybe even like 1A and that's 1B would be what, what is being in a good place mean to you? And I will tell you that very commonly than what I would ask of that question, like how do you know when you're in a good place? Subconsciously, folks have translated that to, how do you know when you're fit enough and you just don't need to chase goals anymore and you don't need to try? Like they almost looked at it literally as like, I'm fit enough. - Yeah. - Yeah, which is not what I intended, but I was like, okay, well, however you take the language. Yeah, so let me pose that question to you. So how do you know that you are in a good place with your level of fitness? - Okay, well for the listeners, when you first posed this question to me, there was a second part of it. It was how do you know you're in a good place with your fitness when you're not chasing a specific goal? Which listeners, you said something about a specific goal, like not having a specific goal. - Oh yeah, how do you know? Okay, so okay, here's what I said. Topic idea is sparked by a few recent conversations with people that are already consistent with fitness and not chasing a specific goal. - Yeah. - How do you know as an individual when you're in a good place with fitness? - Yeah, so the listeners that know me know that I'm always chasing a specific goal. So that threw me for a loop, but within the context of how I train, 'cause I think runners, we've talked about this a lot times before, sometimes runners are just like a different cohort in terms of like, I feel like even when there are times when I'm not training for something specific, I know in the next year I am going to be training for something specific. It's like an in-between before the next training block, but it's not like, yeah. So right now, when I am training for something which is almost always, I know I'm in a good place with running, for me, good place is on my easy runs. I can do four or five miles and it feels good. - Okay. - I feel like mentally hard and the distance doesn't feel too hard. And like if on the weekends, I can go like six to eight miles. So I guess the good place is kind of, you know how in the past we've talked about a good like baseline to keep if you're between training blocks? - Absolutely. - That would probably be like my base of feeling good, which is a little lower than what I just described. - Okay. - For me it'd probably be like 20 to 25 miles per week. So like the long run might be a little lower than what I just stated. But yeah, that makes me feel good. I feel like it's like a good baseline running fitness to do whatever I want on top of it. - Yeah, you're so, that's so different. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, that's it. Yeah, as as you're talking, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is definitely such a different. Yeah, yeah, we could be having two different conversations for sure, but it's also like it do since one of my goals is getting faster. It does feel like something that I can't put down for too long because it typically as you age, you get slower, you know, so like since I'm 35 now, almost 36, like I'm in the time. Yeah, you're old. Well, I tend to learn in certain track meets I'm in the master's category now, which I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, but I feel like that's an element. That's almost as good as there's an event I registered for and we were in the Clydesdale division. Oh, yes. So we can run with the Clydesdale's and, you know, be in a Budweiser commercial. So great. Yeah, anyways, but yeah, that's part of it. But also running is it's such a staple in my routine that like being able to do it as much as I want is also part of my definition of being in a good place. Okay, as much as I want is like five or six days a week usually. Okay, so yeah, so for you, what I'm hearing is that you have, I think that baseline word is really helpful. Like you have a there's certain baseline metrics that you can hit or distances or, you know, whatever it might be. Yeah, that feels like you're in a good, you're in a good place. Yeah, and I would like to know that nowhere in good place with fitness, did I mention peace? No, you did not. You did not. So I, yeah, okay. What? Okay. Yeah, I think I do think that there's an assumption that when somebody says in a good place that that means devoid of, you're not devoid, that's a really strong word to use, that it means you don't ever, you don't ever train for events and things like that. I think that that's a piece too. So yeah, I guess to flip it to more of the, let's say if we were to flip it with more of a focus on aesthetics, let's say, like how someone looks. I think of my friend Aram, and I think I've talked before his handle on Instagram is four weeks to the beach. Oh yeah. Yep, and I've talked about this before. I think it's genius. I think it's absolutely genius because it fits, and I don't want to speak for him. I think that he's told the story, like the story of like this is why he came up with that name, and I think it's just the handle fits although it's like way more than just like a in four weeks, you'll be ready sort of a thing. It's more like do you, you're generally you're in a position where if you wanted to feel comfortable with your shirt off or in a bikini or whatever it might be, you generally live within the range of okay within about four weeks. If I go into a specific goal phase within four weeks, I could be there without anything without doing anything like crazy. Like would it be like would there need to be some strict like restriction? I think sure, but it's not a crash thing or whatnot. So you stay and I think I really identify with that as a mindset because I think about if you were to tell me like hey, what do you think about running a 5k in mid-June? It's like okay, to me being in a good place would be within about four to six weeks, if I needed to run a 5k, I could run a 5k. Yeah. Within about four to six weeks, if yeah, that's that's one of the examples that I think over within four to six weeks, if I was, you know, supposed to be in some sort of event and aesthetics were a pretty big part of that particular event like just it's a photo shoot for whatever company or whatever it might be. And I just, you know, I'd like to lean out a little bit. Yeah. Then yeah, it wouldn't take astronomical thing within four to six weeks. Like to me, it's somewhere in that four to six weeks range sort of a thing. So that's how I, that's how I think about it. Now for me, am I cutting you off from anything right now? No, I just, I like that. Yeah. So for me with the, especially like the times where I have a immense amount of appreciation for the level of fitness that I have, it's more like if someone called me, like I just posted this on my stories last night. When I was at my parents house, I remember that. Yeah. So there's an attic that they have above the garage. By the way, they've lived there for, I don't know, um, teen years and I never knew that that's where the attic was. I always thought it was somewhere. I never knew it was out in the garage. So there was, we were going through and doing some reorganizing and there were some things. There was like my dad had these big like huge coolers that he wanted moved up there because when they do like larger like cookouts and things like that for his organization, they don't need them often. But when they do need them, these things are like things that would cost you like hundreds of dollars to put together. And this is a nonprofit organization. You need to have those things readily, like you save a ton of money not doing that, right? Yeah. But he doesn't need them very often. So I was like, he was like, hey, can you put these up in the attic? So it's me going up probably, I would say it's 12 to 16 feet ladder with a cooler empty. Yes. However, awkward as I'll get out because it's about five to six feet long. It's huge. Yeah. And there were like three to four of them. And so it's moments like that where I'm like, I can do that without needing to do like 10 minutes of mobility. And then I'm also not not like crashed out for the rest of the day. Yeah. Yeah. So to me, like those are things that like, I'm in a good place with my fitness when not only can I, you know, it's like, hey, let's go for this doesn't happen. People don't call me for this. But let's go for a two mile run or whatever. Or hey, would you, you know, if I somebody like, there's a couple of people in particular, if they were to say to me, like, hey, I know this sounds weird, but I really want to try this like spin class at my gym. Would you mind like, I just feel weird about going in there. Yeah, I got you. Like, there's a couple people. I'm like, yeah, I got you. Yeah. Like I could jump in that and not die. Yeah. But then more importantly though, more importantly, it's more like the, hey, we need to move. We got a bunch of furniture. We need to move. Yeah. And I'd be in a place to yeah, I can definitely help you out with that. Yeah. So that's for me, it's more of like the lifestyle based things that my fitness allows me to jump into the things that require muscle, require some endurance, require some cardiovascular, some cardiovascular. No, what? So that's, that's for me. So let's, so the second part of that. Yeah. Social media. Yeah. Has social media had, has it had, or the way I asked it was, how is social media impacted your sense of appreciation for your performance, aesthetics, things like that? Has it had any impact on you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think especially where I live, we've talked about this so many times before, being so close to Boulder and having so many talented athletes in one area. Yeah. It's very easy to feel like I'm not doing enough. I'm not fast enough. Like, why can't I train more? I don't think, even though it's like, because like the average year is so much higher, you know? And you're saying, so here's the thing though, you said based on like where you live, are you referring to real life or mostly social, mostly real life or mostly social media? I would say more social media because most of it is what I see on Strava. Like, that's how I know what people are doing, you know? Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Not so much like Instagram. I don't really, not anymore. I don't really follow too many people. Yeah, you're not much on there. Yeah, I'm not on there much. So I don't really care for that, but like on Strava. I'll see what people are doing every day that I follow. Yeah. Yeah. Or sometimes I'll see it on Instagram when people like post their Strava activity there, you know? So that's more of what I make. When they jump and make the shape, those are hilarious to me. Even the vulgar ones, those are hilarious to me. Yeah, I like those. Yeah, but I feel like those are because there's always someone out there training for something and there's always someone out there faster than you doing more than you. And it's very easy to like go down that rabbit hole. Yeah. And with how things are like even going back to like the brick, the way they have things set up, my first week I was checking that thing, my average of how much I had a brick. And I was like, I need to get to 24 hours. That's an insane thought. (laughing) - Hi, my coaching phone, Kelly, has been bricked for three hours, three days, my coaching phone, 'cause I, just very few apps that I use on my coaching phone. - Yeah, but that's how my brain works. - Yeah, I see where you're, yeah, it's interesting. - I see this, I need to go here. - You know, this, so this reminds me of this conversation I had with a guy who used to coach, used to be coached and be the general manager at the Barbell Club that I currently lift at pretty often. And I remember one time he talked about, he, what did he say? He said something like, I think the world was so much better off when we didn't have access to understanding how everybody else operated or what everybody else had. And I was like, pump your brakes for a second because you sound like you are about to make a case for like segregation. So hold on for a second, he was like, I don't know what it's not gonna talk about. 'Cause he started getting like kind of weird with it, where he was talking about like different tribes not mixing and I was like, easy their partner. But he's, yeah, he is not in any way shape or form like a problem, but it's just, I was like, well, what? And he's like, no, I really think about it. And as I think about it, it kind of makes sense where I compare it to this idea of, you know, I'm always bringing it around with a good example. Remember will I am black eyepiece, right? - Yeah. - Okay, he did this interview, I think it was on diary of a CEO forever ago. And one of the things he talked about is when he was growing up, he was like, I didn't know that we were poor. I had no idea. - Ah, yeah. - Until, and you hear this story from people who potentially grew up, let's say, disadvantaged, but they didn't know that they were disadvantaged until they got somewhere else, and that they either declined or it pushed them to do more. - Yeah. - And I think about how we, like, culturally let social media in very much the same way, where I'm like, if you didn't have exposure to these other people that you think you're getting a good understanding of what their life is all about, but just because for my clientele like this, because they look at that particular way, you assume that that's, oh, well, I, in my area, I was considered fit, but I didn't realize that I might go to that area. - Yeah. - That's actually what fit is. And then it just, like, I talk about this very often, like, what's your filter of what fit is and things like that? So I do think, I'm just a really strong believer that, like, social media, what that exposure has changed, I think even subconsciously, what we think, what we think when it's like when you're in a good place, and then also with knowing, with knowing, like, a lot of the driving force behind, really, for just about any, like, entrepreneur, especially within the coaching space, it's always what problem do you solve, right? - Yeah. - Like, so what problem do you solve? And so, you are encouraged to constantly remind people that they have a problem. - Yeah. - It's true. - It's just like, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, and I've been really, like, I don't know if struggling is the word, I've just been really, really doing a lot of, since I've, you know, got all this brick time now. I've been doing a decent amount of, like, pen to paper or notes, just about that thought process of, like, literally, once you really take a look at it, you're like, holy cow, there's all the marketing is, here's the problem that you have. - Yeah. - How I can solve the problem. It's like, people don't hire you if, unless you convince them that they have a problem. - Right. - So, yeah, just some, those are some thoughts. - Yeah. - Yeah, about the thing. - Going back to the social media, and are you fit enough thing? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I compare it to when I was running in college, and Instagram wasn't a thing yet. We only had Facebook, but that's like, where you would dump your entire photo album, you know, after you do one thing. Remember, you do, like, 75 photos. - Yeah, you wouldn't even, you would not cut any photos. - Never. - Nope. - You do the whole thing. - The outtakes, every photo that you took with your phone, or digital camera at the time, went up on Facebook for better or for worse. - Remember this one, kids, I tell you. - Yeah. - And only your friends who actually cared about you, cared enough to go through, or if they were, like, in the album, they go through and see how they look, you know? - Right, and then your aunt would comment, some random comment on one of the photos, and be like, "Hey, are you still coming over for dinner?" - Wow, I think so back then, but. - Yeah, just be weird. I still have your pot from the last family dinner. - Yeah. - On like a photo of you and your cats, like a couple of things. - Yeah, so random. But back then, like, the only sense of comparison I had was to my teammates, who I saw every day at practice, and race with, and even in cross-country races, where we'd run a plant different schools and whatnot, like, in D1 cross-country, I was not good, you know? By those standards, like, lower than mid, as the kids say nowadays. But even, I could see my time one of result. - Yeah. - I don't remember ever thinking like, I'm not fit enough. Like, I always wanted to get better. But it wasn't a sense of nowadays with social media, when it's like, should I be doing more? Like, what these people are doing? And how is my speed compared to theirs? I was just like, I was just excited about improving. Probably 'cause it was my first time actually training for running, so that was exciting. But yeah, like, my scope of reference was very small. - Yeah, I think that, and we're gonna be wrapping it up soon, 'cause I'm stuck in with it. - Yeah. - I think that really, what also plays into this quite a bit, is that you don't, people will say, you know, like, all you ever see is somebody's highlight reel. And I get where that is, but that's not even like an argument that I even make anymore, just because it's like, well, nobody, unless somebody's streaming 24 hours a day, you're never gonna see everything. It's just that, I think that it's so easy for us to take what people show us, even if they show us the authentic, like when they're having a bad day or when they're down or whatnot, it's so easy for us to still be like, yeah, but for the most part, their life is great, or they're always hitting PRs, or they always, like, they never miss a workout and bubble blah. Like, you just don't, I don't know. Like, that's, I think that there's not much balance. Like, there's not much balance in what you're seeing. So, even when you may see, like, okay, when my time is lower than theirs, like, that's just, okay, I just see that. But then when you start seeing maybe visual images, and then all these other things, you start to form this whole vision, and it's just, yeah. - Yeah, and I think it's also, like, with the example I just shared, my only times of comparison, where when we had races, which was like, you know, less than 10 times per season, versus now, that you can look at someone's social media every single day and compare yourself to them. So, it's like just a lot more frequent as well, which obviously is more draining. - That's why, yeah. So, that's why I am, to throw out my tip, couple of tips, one, follow, unfollow people who you find yourself falling into the comparison trap with. And I'm not even saying they make you feel bad. I'm just saying that you find yourself comparing yourself to them, unfollow those people. - Or you can mute them. If it's like someone-- - Yes, I know you're a fan of mute, yeah. - If it's like someone you actually know, in real life, they maybe don't want to send the signal that you're unfollowing, you know. - Yeah. And my other tip, just with the overall, overall question of like, how do you know when you're in a good place, is take some time to actually, like, write that question down on a piece paper or in your notes file. And from time to time, jot down any observations that you have of a time where your fitness played into, you being able to do said thing. That's it. Like, just do those particular things. And I think that that can be helpful. I'm not saying that solves everything or whatnot. It's just that usually when, in times where I'm having maybe a conversation or an interaction with someone who is saying who is really over-indexing on feeling bad about things or maybe they feel like they haven't accomplished much or that they're spinning their wheels or that they're, you know, they just feel like they're not in a good place at all. Instead of being, like, telling them that they're wrong or anything like that, my thing is like, okay, well, what evidence do you have of that? And they'll point to one or two things. at the most. And very rarely do they have a list of reference. I was like, okay, you got those one or two things. Like you had that one, you tried on that shirt that you haven't worn in eight months, and it was, it was tight. Facts. It was tight. Okay, cool. You need, I, I, I liked for people to have something in their backpack at the thing also reference. That's all journal prompts by JK. Oh, there you go. If I really, if I really knew what to do with AI, I could probably build a GPT that would do like daily journal prompts. Oh, like build your own agent. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what it's called? I thought it was your GPT, but whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Build my own agent. I could probably, yeah, if I knew what I was doing. Yeah. You can get really metta with it and ask Tisha how to build your own agent. Yeah. Well, now the move is possibly going over to Claude. That's the move. That's what everybody's talking about. I'm going to get me started on Claude. Okay. I won't. All right. All right. It's good. You want to throw it out on, on this particular topic? No, because we're at time. I think we've given the folks something to think about for sure. So, yeah, we'd be interested in, I don't know. Yeah. Come in on the spot of five. Yes. Do that. Yeah. Cool. If you want, you can reach out to us on Instagram at lifting, running, living pod. We might both be bricked, but we'll see it. I was going to say I'm about to unbrick in maybe about 20 minutes here. I know. I like my nightly unbricked time. And then we really got to, yeah, we, I know there's in it. You get an affiliate link already or like that. I'm just in it for the bricking. Oh, yeah. I'm in it for the marketing of it all. Like they're really on top of it. So they are. All right. So with that, we're wrapping it up. Yeah. Yeah. We're wrapping it up. All right. Well, thank you folks for tuning into another episode of lifting, running, and living. This has been episode 78. We appreciate you. If you do have topics, ideas, feedback, all that good stuff, hit us up Instagram or email, right? Yeah. Lifting, running, living pod at gmail.com. Yeah. All right. So with that, take care. And we'll talk to you next time. Bye.