Midterms, Media, and Mental Health with Jon Favreau

- Who are you into presidential run on the left? - For a while, I was like, no one is jumping out at me and I was really, and now. (upbeat music) This podcast is a dear media production. - Hi guys. - Hi guys. - Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. - Welcome back. Oh, this is gonna be a different style. An episode. I'm glad to be reunited with you. - Thank God. - I just saw my solo interview with John Favreau of Potsy of America, not of Swingers, just declared up for Reyna. And Reyna, it was going great. I mean, I was had a panic attack when I was introducing him 'cause I don't do that. And you wrote the intro for me. And then at the end, I did our outro. And like, no one said, like, have a good week. And I was like, oh my god. And I said, John, you have to say bye guys. Like, it was like this. That was really smooth until the very end where I was like, oh no, I need her for this. - Yeah, well, so if you guys don't know yet, Ashley did her first interview without me ever. So I've only had two episodes solo in the intro. - No, I did the intro, Sean. - Yeah, but that was death's different. That's family. Andrew Collins is also family. I did two episodes of the Andrew Collins without you in the history of this podcast. You've done one without me, right? With Sean, but this is the first time like a stranger has been on the show solo with us. - And I went to their studio. You guys will see. You got to watch this on Spotify or YouTube. They have this very cool newsroom set up. Like, I went to crooked media. It was like in, you know, the motherland of democracy. In LA, I would say. - How did I feel to come up with this without me? - I mean, it would have been so weird to do an interview about something dating sex relationship related without you, but it felt really normal and natural for me to talk politics with him. Well, there's a little dating at the end. He has some fun stuff to say about me and his wife and DC and the DC girl is, you're gonna really like the end of this. It was good. I'm excited for you guys to hear it. I feel like it parts. It was just a therapy session for me being like, John, please tell me it's gonna be okay. And just, you know, we've entered a little bit, but he is a hopeful take on everything and realistic. And he's, you know, brilliant. And he is doesn't hold back. You know, I asked him, like, who do you want to be present in 2028? You know, who do you like and who don't you like? And he just, he's on a politician. He's a podcaster and, you know, obviously found media found or you could say whatever he feels like we get to do. So it was really great. - Okay, good. Well, I'm really excited to listen. You literally just walked in the door. So I don't really know anything about this. So I'm excited to listen. So much happened while you were like in this interview. I mean, Lena Dunham announced that like, girls is coming back for five episodes. And I was like, actually, I need to talk to Ashley about this. I can't believe this is happening. I just like lost on it. Also, like the new White House press secretary gave her first press conference. And I was like, has this person ever held a microphone before in their life? And I was just like, I can't believe I can't talk to Ashley about this like right this second. - I know. We'll probably have to deep dive in some of this for the snack for this Thursday. Hopefully it's not too dated. But yeah, a lot went down while I was in that room. - Okay. Well, we can make our partners and then we'll get into it. - Okay. Thank you to Hanj. Download the dating app designed to be deleted. And skims, shop our favorite loungewear. And pajamas at skims.com and noom. Start a GLP1 program for $39 and have it delivered in a little as seven days at noom.com. And thank you to Quinn, skit free shipping and 365 day returns on your next order at quince.com/gge and app exclusive offers when you download the app and smile set. Get 35% off at smileset.com/gge and Columbia. Get your hands on an amaze puff [email protected]. Okay. I mean, October 19th, we are in the thick of Halloween season. - I love it. - I'm so excited, really doing a big this Halloween three parties I'm going to. But I'll talk more about it maybe next week. Have you told me what your costumes are gonna be? We don't really totally know, okay. Are you gonna do couples costumes? Well, yeah, we are. We're going to three parties, three together, okay. And are you gonna do couples costumes for all three of them? Yeah, I think two parties will be in one night on Halloween night, so we'll wear the same. So I think we are gonna do two different costumes. I mean, Shoshank wants to wear his fucking hot dog. She's a lot of cook. The next week on the stack, we'll talk about that 20/26 costume. Who wore a cheeseburger? Was it Katy Perry? That sounds bright. But not for Halloween, just for just for a red carpet. I think she was the Mechalla. (laughing) No, no stuff. Here you go again. This is like Casey Anthony on Dancing with the Stars. And as soon as you said this is just like, I knew exactly what you were gonna say. No, I think it was for VMAs or it was a live performance. Yeah. Oh, no. Wait, you know, am I right? (laughing) I'm sorry. Yeah, it says you're right. It says she wore the hamburger to the 2019 Mechalla. Right now, no. Yeah, it was for Kate. 'Cause there was like a video for having to take it off to go to the bathroom that was awesome. Well, she started the night in like a chandelier dress. I remember me meeting that year 'cause that was camp. That was the best Mechalla theme of all time was camp. That was like my favorite year. I'll never forget it. I have the memes. They're on my highlights if you want to dig deep and find them. But then yeah, I guess she changed. And then there was a spiral bathroom moment with Jennifer Lopez. But yeah, the chandelier was the early part of the night. And then she changed into the burger for the after party. I thought that you recalled that. Those years before we even started the snack, which is crazy. I feel like my pop culture and knowledge was not what it is today. Back then. Oh my gosh. But I am loving Halloween and spooky season here. I am constantly fascinated by New York City Halloween decorations because like, okay, I just thought you were like a whole album of Halloween. Yeah, you can look at them. All I want you to try to think about as you look through these is who has this space for this volume of decorations in New York City? Like, they're-- The storage units. I mean, this is like our next door neighbor here. Her house is insane. And it's all full-size animatronics in the house. It's like a full-blown haunted house next door. And they have a big house. But she has a storage unit for her Halloween. Like Halloween people get it done. And they keep this stuff off-site. You think New York City people who live in like tiny, one bedroom apartment. People are living like 600 square feet for $10,000 a month. You think those people have storage units on top of this? The full size of the area of this 10-foot skeleton. That must be the storage unit. Where do you think it is in the kids room? The kids bedroom. It's in the office. I sent you one where there's a building that has like eight windows and there's skeletons hanging off of every single window. Like, do you think they go, like, the owner of the building goes like apartment to apartment and asks permission to hang the skeletons out the window? Like, well, where were you? So this could be a rich family that has the whole building. Like, they could just live in that brown stone. All the white spillage. Because I just sent you the white spillage to that construction site. This construction company has skeletons. My vibe is that one family owns that whole brown stone and they get to do whatever they want with the skeletons climbing up it. This is wild. I am impressed. And I do feel like New Yorkers take it there. Like, it's edgy. It's really scary. Like, we live in a more family neighborhood. We went on a walk the other night to look at the decorations. And I'll look at the video. I said, you know, it's like there's a lot of family stuff. It feels very family friendly. And then people get political in California. So it's like vote and voting. Yeah, I feel like this is very on trend with the episode today. But all right P bigotry. Yes. I loved it. Real political statements. Halloween with a message. Wow. Yes. So that's really the vibe. I feel like New York is like some of the decorations the intent is to traumatize you in LA. It's really to encourage you to vote. I actually think you're totally right. I have seen stuff. There are like mechanical ones. There's a few lawns or-- Scary ones. Like stuff is moving. And I'm like, aren't children terrified of this? And you know that I am chasing the high at all times of October 2024 when I walked by the building. It's on Bedford and Christopher. And there was six windows. And each one of them had a body hanging from the window. A giant full-size, mummified body hanging out of the window on a string. They're all strung up by their feet upside down. Yes. And I'm chasing this high everywhere. Like, I wonder if there was like a city ordinance like served to these people. Like, hey, you can't have this. In public, there's bodies hanging off of your building. Yeah, it's just a weird time too. Yeah. So let me send you this one because they're-- I want to give us a little more credit. There was one I grabbed Shashank's leg and gasped because it was, well, I just-- I want you to watch it. It's a video. And then I want-- because we'll play all these in the screens. It's a good time to watch you guys. Oh my god. There's a child in the yard that was scared of me. Yes, it's like a kid that's a kid out of me. A child like a mannequin staring at a gravestone. Reyna, is that not terrifying? No, nothing is scary than kids. No, this is terrifying. I'm like a fake kid on the lawn staring in a graveyard. I'm going to have nightmares. The way I gasped is like grabs Shashank and he was like, actually, relax. I'm like, OK, that's really twisted. Oh, kids are fucking scary, OK? You cross the line with children. I'll take bodies hanging out of a window but a child standing in a graveyard. Yes! Would you ever be a Halloween decoration person? Yeah, 100%. I've said this before. I, like, last year-- I think last year I posted on my story like, when I finally had my forever home, this is what I'm doing because it was all beetle juice, the whole front yard. And so this year I was like I want to see the Beetlejuice House and see what they did this year or maybe they do Beetlejuice every year I don't know so we find the house no decorations yet and we look in the window we can see in their window they're watching Fox News I was like I thought those people I thought I looked up to them I thought you guys were cool. I thought you're one of us Shoshom is like ew they're watching Fox News I was like that's a Beetlejuice House So yeah I mean I would so be into that I've been seeing a lot of blow up decorations so people do blow them up and collapse I feel like you're a Halloween decor person or Christmas decor person maybe because you're all gonna Christmas tree Made with my first year finally with a Christmas tree every year I'm threatened to get one maybe finally I do it this year I think it'd be really nice just even like a small one just see if you can do a small fake one Okay, can I tell you something that if it's been going on in my life? So I have been curious about Walmart fashion for a minute now Ever since honestly we posted that clip about how Target has gone so far downhill And did you ever did you read the comments that that clip did really well and people were like Walmart's where it's at Like Walmart's the new target because you know Target did used to have like fashionable clothes and all the collabs And everybody's like it's Walmart now and I'm like no shade, but I've never thought of Walmart like that I used to be Target for sure like I just you know I haven't shop there in a really long time and so I saw on Kate Kennedy's Instagram story Some clip she posted and it was like a fat some stylist some renowned stylist talking about how Walmart had the perfect white button down And then Kate posted she was like what's going on at Walmart because I she was like something about these dupe jeans They're these six hundred and twenty dollar jeans the brand is Kate K-H-A-I-T-E Yeah, their pencils are like a thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah, so the six hundred dollar jeans Kennel Jenner Rihanna They've worn these jeans Walmart has a thirty dollar dupe and they're like hard to find So I get on Walmart and I'm like I'm finding this perfect white button down I wore the button down I get the last pair of jeans in my size That they're called like the scoop is the brand stove pipe jean they're mostly sold out I was able to get like the lighter wash which I didn't love I was able to get the last pair of the lighter wash in a four so I order that I get another pair of pants that looked really cute Walmart's like it'll arrive tomorrow all of it was okay. I think much about it. So I'm like all of it tomorrow Okay, where's it coming from and then the text messages start Raina over the course of the next 24 hours I received 14 texts from Walmart about what about my three items Like just all the shipping updates like word it's swear to God like when brands do this They're not the only one that does it we otherwise brands it will rename name list because one of them is a partner of this show It's crazy. It's like your craziest acts. It's like I love you. I miss you. I'm outside Like I swear they're just like every step of the way they have to text you about it They called me I was at the concert. They called you like someone call me. Yeah, so This was Friday night or this Saturday. I'm at the concert. Somebody's calling me a courier. We're here from Walmart I'm like what is going on? I text them the gate code So I get home and all my doorstep is the first pair of pants not the jeans in a Walmart bag A shopping bag like they sent an Instacart shopper to Walmart for you. What's happening? They're just curruring it from a store. That's their overnight shipping So also they call you they're like, hi, this is the least expensive thing that you've ever bought So we just thought we call you to say we're here. So I get the first pair of pants. I really do like them. They're very cute And then the other two items the shirt and the jeans they're late. So 17,000 more texts about being late. So they show up on Sunday And I get an email that the rest of the order has arrived allegedly I go outside on the doorstep. The shirt has arrived in a regular shipping bag. No shopping bag. So that came normally And I open it. I'm the shirts nice. I really do like the shirt. It's like US polo association, whatever. And that's the brand. People think it's like polo, but it's not it's like you know knock off polo. No jeans, but they said they arrived. So I check the email. There's the photo, the delivery confirmation photo, and it's a photo of a Walmart bag again, jeans in it. I assume outside of some house. That's not mine. So I'm like, they took your one of a kind hard to get jeans to someone else's house. So Raina, I'm like, where are these jeans? Because normally I would just email back boop boop boop and get a refund. These weren't delivered to me. I don't live here. I don't know where they are. I don't know where they could be. But this was the last fucking pair. Like this is the last pair. So I'm like, I'm heading down the streets. I'm going to find these jeans. And I kind of recognize the house sort of I thought I was like, am I making this up? Whatever it was this blue house. I was like, I feel like I kind of recognize it. I walk outside, look down the street. There it is all the way down the street. This blue house. I hope it down there. What are some of grabs it? So I run down to this blue house. I jumped their gate. Raina, you jumped a gate for Walmart jeans. It was a low gate. But I was like, I'm not going to reach out the gate. Yeah, I've straddled the gate. I jumped. I broke it in. I would have not been able to get over it. So there's the shopping bag. So I cut the shopping bag. I come home. And she shows to the couch. She's like, you did that. You went on a journey and found your jeans. And I got all my stuff. 80,000 text later, a trip around the block. How many different deliveries. Everything's great. The jeans are good. I mean, listen, they're $30. They're not going to feel super luxury. Like, I also, I have nice jeans. I have Alison Levy. I have Paige. I mostly wear Levi's. Like, I'm not like a super high end luxury denim girly. Like, I usually stick to Levi's. And they don't, you know, they don't even feel like that. They just feel like a cheaper denim. But they look good. And I think they're a pretty good dupe, like signature black and Namel button, which I love. And the button down is great. And then the other pants are really great too. The other pants are kind of funky. They're like printed. And they're like kind of, I don't know how to describe the cut. But they're, I don't know. So watch the space for my Walmart haul. And that's what's going on at Walmart. But do not sign up for texts and just know that they might stop dropping stuff at your house in a Walmart bag. You have really changed since I left. Do you start playing basketball yet? I mean, you play basketball and you shop at Walmart. You threaten to pull a basketball shop at Walmart. You host the show by yourself. Those are the three things. Is there anything else to hang out with your husband all the time? If I'm playing basketball and shopping at Walmart, just like middle school, faded glory. And they think Kennedy posted she was like, what is going on at Walmart? Cause like her like me also feels like you remember Walmart from the faded glory days. And like the clothes weren't that cool. I mean, that was like their main brand. You know, we ever shop there. We were a target family. Okay. Well, we didn't get a target till my senior year in high school. So we got a Walmart in a Sam's and that was huge. Oh, Sam's my dad exclusively shops at Costco. That's where his entire wardrobe comes from. I think you cross the threshold is like a 70 year old man. Yeah, that's just where your wardrobe. Do you shop at Costco? We don't we don't have memberships. There's not one close enough by like where my parents live. They probably still do have a Sam's membership. I'm not sure. But the Costco's like upstate. Like it's not close by. I just I feel like we would shop there if it was an option 100%. Well, maybe you can get your dad to get him like a pair of jeans for Christmas. That's what you should get my dad for Christmas this year's pair of costumes. It's chocolate ad. Kirkland signature brand. Uh-huh. I used to say Kirkland signature jeans in a bit. It just came back to me. Okay. Well, we are going to get into the interview. But first we are just going to thank our partners. Thank you to hinge truly. I think our favorite dating app, my and Ashley, I mean, we love how I know. I'm like, it's the only one I even know my radar. I mean, not anymore, but you know, like it's the only one worth being on. If you're married, it's the only one actually we consider beyond. No, I just I love the app. It is so easy to use and you upload your photos. But I think the most frightening part of dating apps is how do I open up a conversation with somebody and how do I engage and hinge is the app that facilitates that the most. So I think it's just like you you build up this thing in your head like how am I going to start a conversation with somebody and they have so many props that allow you to talk to somebody and open up a conversation and just start like developing this like crazy. How we how we met story and it takes the guessing game out of like what do I say next because you can upload all these photos and like captions on those as well. But you can talk about all the things that make you unique and Ashley and I've seen a million dating profiles over the years. And anything that shows off your personality and your uniqueness and gives somebody something to talk to you about and ask you questions about is always a good idea. 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We are so excited to be joined by the co-founder of Crooked Media and Coast of Podsave America, who previously served as president Barack Obama's director of speech writing and became the second youngest chief presidential speechwriter in White House history. He also hosts offline with John Favreau and The Wilderness and is the co-author of the number one New York Times Best Seller, Democracy or Else How to Save America in ten easy steps. With the midterms just two weeks away, we're thrilled to have him here with us. Please welcome the girls going to eat John Favreau. Thanks for having me. I never do that. My heart is pounding. That's Raina's job for nine years. To do the intro? Yes, I don't do it. I do the outro. I don't even know what's about to happen, but I'm so glad to be here. I was just telling you, we don't do this a lot. No, I appreciate you coming here. Yeah. Save me a trip somewhere. So how are you feeling, just general wellness check today? I feel great. Okay. I feel good about the midterms. You too? Okay, good. I mean, we can start talking about 2028. I don't feel bad, but I feel much more uncertain about the presidential, but I think, I mean, here's my thought on the midterms. If Democrats cannot win in this political environment, which is the worst political environment for Donald Trump and the Republican Party since Trump has walked down that fucking escalator, if we can't do that, then like, everyone should just pack it in and go home. Okay. Well, I didn't want to get into this right up top, but so you believe that we're going to have a free and fair election. You want you want to believe? Yes. With Elon Musk's three hundred million dollar, like all the things, like you still believe in our democracy enough that we're going to have a midterm election. I think we're going to have an election. Let's get into what the problems could be, because it's not that I trust Donald Trump, or the federal government at this point. Right. Yeah. But there's states run elections. Yeah. It's very hard for the federal government to interfere with state run elections and the court, even the Supreme Court has said that as well. I worry more on the back end of, like, let's say, James Telleriko. Teller Friko. Teller Friko. Right. If he leaves his mental hospital in Ohio and somehow wins the election by like, you know, 10,000 votes. Yeah. And Greg Abbott is the governor, and it's a Republican state. Does he try to fool with the certification of the election on the back? Like that kind of stuff. Yeah. That could happen. I worry about that. But we're going to have an election. Okay. I'm glad you said that, because I find myself in these, they're ramping up all the violence and all the ice and all the things to enact martial law, so we don't have an election. Now, how is that a valid concern? Or do you not really get bogged down with those types of like theories? I don't get bogged down with that. I mean, there's a couple of reasons why I don't. One, I just, I do trust, again, it's hard for people to hear this because everyone's like, well, the Supreme Court is like pretty right-wing. But just seeing the decisions they have handed down about sort of election interference on the Trump era, on that kind of stuff, feel like the court's going to be good. I think the Trump is, here's the other thing. He doesn't care as much about the midterms as when he's on the ballot. That's so true. You know, and so I know these, I don't know. A bunch of Republicans losing, like, I'm sure he wouldn't be, he's not going to be happy. Right. But he's just going to blame them and say like, I did everything I could and that's their problem. When Trump's on the ballot, everything works out great. So that, just if you don't trust Trump, you can at least think that. And the other big reason that I don't worry about this is because I can control it. We have a whole bunch of lawyers. The lawyers are out there. We have election officials. Everyone's sort of monitoring this. They're going to do what they can do. And I always, when people say this to me, I'm always like, well, what would you, if you knew that we weren't going to have free and fair elections or if you knew that he was going to declare martial law or try to do something like that, what would you do differently versus if you knew for sure he wasn't going to try those things. And the answer is like, there's not much different. You can do. If you're a lawyer, if you have someone who's like getting cases ready or monitoring polling locations and all that kind of stuff, then yeah, then you have some things to do and to prepare for. But for most of us, and for me, all I can do is talk about the midterms, try to get people involved, try to get people voting, try to get people the best information they can, and then hope for the best. Okay, great. That's where I've, that's where I've, that's where I've landed up for many years. Sorry, it's on a hopeful note. Many years of doing this. Okay, great. This is where I'm at therapy session for me. Okay, we're going to circle back to it. I do want to ask you a few burning questions that are hot topics on girls got to eat. Sure. So number one, do you think Mitch McConnell is alive? Yeah, I mean, or like the weekend of Bernie's situation. I think he's alive. I think he's not well. Okay, do you think it's elder abuse? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think it's the first time there's been elder, I mean, I don't even think that's a partisan thing like Diane Feinstein hung on a little too long. Yeah. So this is not the first time this has happened in the United States Senate, which is unfortunate. Okay. But I think, yeah, I think he's hanging on till the end of his turn. Okay, your team alive. That's not a lot. Not a corpse. Do I think he's like, you know, just making a lot of interesting points in the Republican caucus meeting? No, I don't. Okay. Do I think he can do much more than like the thumbs? Was the thumbs up real? Yeah. And there was like a piece. It was like sort of a piece of I thought, which is not something that Mitch McConnell was known to be giving peace sign. Right. Like a Gen Z, like, like people were sending it to me. And I was like, that's an AI. That's real. That was real. Okay. The piece time was real. Okay, my next burning question. Yeah. Do you think Trump is always in a diaper? And I follow a question. You don't. He's a huge diaper. He's like a super. I think that's just all him. You think he's caked up like that? Not that I've ever wanted to think. Thank you for putting that image in my mind. But yeah, no, I think people behind him are always still large, man. Haven't you seen clips of people behind him standing behind him? Like he's they're smelling. Like I think he's my theory is that he's not ever been potty trained. Sure, baby. And he's shitting his pants at all types. This is my personal theory. When you think about those faces of the people behind him. Yeah. Think of all the things that Trump says and does that can lead you to make that face. And it is infinite. Right. Yeah. It was a minute in particular at a funeral. What funeral would it have been? Lindsay. Oh, yeah, someone was like he was he was about to like a secret service behind someone behind them And they thought okay, we're not aligned quite yet my third question is I'm not really anything out of course But I'm telling you my opinion Do you have Obama's number and could we FaceTime? We can I No, we cannot FaceTime, but I could I could contact him if I needed to well Let me know I'll stay late Okay, so yeah, I mean those are my three burning questions. Thank you very answering them. I'm a little upset We can't FaceTime a moment, but that's fine Okay, so you feel hopeful about the men term elections and I do just in general With the current state of the country and you were someone who cares about it. You were someone who is Mostly consumed by politics for work. How do you stay sane know to digest right take care of your own Mental health you the family. I mean, how do you do it? It is an ongoing journey. Yeah, let me tell you I just Took Twitter off of my phone. Okay on Sunday. I don't do so for Twitter. Same. I yeah Because I was like I I could tell it was getting to be Election season like the final sprint because I found myself checking Twitter constantly For no good reason, okay, and I was like what information am I looking for what information what I find on this Fucking app that would somehow bring me peace or or make me think that I'm in control of what's going to happen And the answer is nothing. Yeah, and I wanted to be present with my family and my children this weekend And I was like I am done. I am not doing this. I'm getting it off the phone Right even getting off the home screen. I'm deleting the app when I'm sitting in my laptop I can look at Twitter then so these are the kind of it's kind of an when I said it's an ongoing process. I To stay sane. I am trying to check in with myself and be like What do you need this news for right? What are you actually looking for? Yeah, do you need it for your job to be better informed or are you just sort of doing scrolling or just you know anxious about something like right There's no need for that. Like what am I looking for and I do the same thing on threads or on TikTok or an instance I'll listen to talk on Instagram and you feel when you're like okay But I did just get like a weird dopamine hit from something that made me feel better about this state of the world And then I'm like is that what we're looking for? Like it's like drinking or binge eating like it is Really addictive thing that you have to control Mm-hmm and instead when I'm not on it all the time like I have an offline Interview that I'm preparing for something like I said do for this Friday and the person I'm talking to just wrote a book and it's like instead of scrolling through Twitter. I will read this book And you know what it's a great book, right? It made me thought it maybe and it like that brought me some calm Yeah, and then when I wake up in the morning, then I dive into the morning tip sheets and the New York Times and the most general in the Washington Post in Politico And I'm like all right, what are the top stories? What might we be talking about on the many pods that we do here and Make sure I'm informed about all of that but also give myself time to Like come up with my own take as opposed to just like reading all the different takes online and That usually helps a bit more. Okay, and I try to think I think because I am like, you know a Activist strategist staffer at heart. I read the news with an eye towards okay If I'm gonna be talking about this on the pod What kind of information could I give someone that could help them convince Someone in their life to go vote for the first time vote for a Democrat when they weren't gonna vote for a Democrat before Or just, you know, persuade people to think or act differently, which is the purpose of politics. Right Have you changed over the course of the last decade with how you? Speak to people and try to convince them people that are living in a different reality Yes, I have when I was in the White House. I was working for Obama. I was very Good about I think because it was my job the speech writer, but I was good about trying to figure out how to persuade people Okay, and empathy for people who don't think like you and you're trying but there was also an element then because back then It's not like you know all the White House staffers had Twitter accounts and we're public like you weren't supposed to be that public and So I sort of have like bottled up all these thoughts and takes of my own and so then I left the White House in 2013 And I think the first several years I spent on social media was like now. I'm gonna uncork and Say what I really think and yeah, you know all the kind of and then after a while I'm like all right to what end is this am I doing this? Yeah, like so that people who already agree with me can be like yes like retweet great and I started I think moving back towards the mindset I had when I was in the White House, which is the purpose of doing this if there's any purpose is to Try to convince people to do something they weren't gonna do and that can be you know change their political views like from left Or you know from right to left or it can be to change their views from what I do doesn't matter to actually I do want to vote or I do want to Join a campaign or volunteer or donate, right? And so I've tried to figure out what is gonna be most useful In terms of getting someone to participate in politics who wasn't gonna participate and you know That's why we we have let's say America which we started which is sort of the arm of crooked media that gets people involved and gets people donating and all that kind of good stuff It's tough. I used to be a lot more inflammatory and I realize I'm not drawing anyone in I'm actually pushing them away from whatever my cause may be But I still dabble because I'm I still have to be like you guys are fucking idiots Humans just get angry same same with me. I mean anyone who's listening to this and follows me like okay, buddy You're still like yelling about shit. It's like you know I am because sometimes I can't help it right exactly So this is a load of question, but what is it stake in the midterms for? That's someone that's completely uninformed. We can't start at ground zero, but right what do you feel is it stake and could Change with a blue wave All right, so if Democrats win the house, which I think is very likely. Yeah, feel very good about that Then Donald Trump will never sign another piece of legislation never pass another law As long as he's president unless somehow a bunch of Democrats agree, which if they did It would probably be a piece of legislation that was fine, right. Yeah, but yeah, so that so his legislative agenda is dead If the Democrats win the house if we win the Senate then Samolito decides to retire Clarence Thomas decides to retire then there will not be a Donald Trump Appointed Supreme Court justice to fill those seats, which is huge I do worry that if we don't win the Senate, which I I think we are favorites to win the Senate But I would not say huge favorites like I feel good about the midterms But if it turns out the day after the midterms we won the House and came like a seat shy in the Senate I won't be shocked because it's close But if we don't win the Senate then I can see Alito retiring next year Maybe even Thomas and then Donald Trump has two Supreme Court seats that he's gonna replace those two old guys with you know Twenty-something-year-old fucking crazy right-wing mega-people So that's the those are the stakes. Okay. Yeah, and that's that that means we're waiting a long time Because then we've got Roberts is young Amy Coney Barrett's young Kavanaugh's young and then if you get two more young ones then you've got five Young Supreme Court justices that could be like 30 years of that to the lifetime terms there make you feel insane. Yeah Like I think they it lives rent-free In my head. I think that our Constitution things. It's held up pretty well We have a pretty decent system for having it be hundreds of years old. Yeah, and that would that might be the fatal flaw It's creaking it's creaking under the weight of Yeah, this many hundred years. Yeah, no, and I don't know that Look back then when they had like lifetime limits in the Supreme Court But you know life expectancy was not what it is today. Right. So it wasn't yeah I don't think the founders had vision someone would sit on the court for 40-50 years And Mitch McConnell would be right there rolling his corpse under the senate floor. Yeah No, I would love I would love to see term limits on the Supreme Court Yeah Okay, what are the polls predicting? I mean york overall you just kind of say you think how's probably not Senate But like what are we seeing that feels positive that we have to really worry about? I mean kind of overall I mean, so polls are polls and so it's always tough to fall in love with any good poll But even if you take the polls away and you look at Special elections that we've had since Trump was sworn in for a second term if you look at the off-year elections in 2025 if you look at Even The primary voting right Democrats outvoted Republicans in these primaries and like each one of these data points on their own is not enough to like Feel great about a blue wave but basically all of the different factors and measures That you would want to see a line for a blue wave have aligned for a blue wave that even if you put the polls aside and also Again, like don't jump or his party have never been on the ballot in the Trump era when Gas prices are this high um when inflation is this bad Violence and yeah, like the challenge with Politics and the Trump era has been the people who are paying close attention to politics are very unhappy Most of the country is not here. and closed-stension politics. And so they change their political views or their political behavior based on how they feel and how their lives are going. And unfortunately, for all of us who are trying to, you know, beat Trump earlier, in the first Trump term, we all thought he was pretty bad. And I think he was pretty bad. But most people were like, yeah, I think he's kind of an asshole, but like, I don't know the economy. Yeah, my life's okay, economy's good. I don't see ice in the streets. Right. I'm not paying the crazy amounts for groceries because he started to trade war. Like, things are mostly fine. I yearn for Trump one for now, the golden days. Also, there was somewhat competent people around him. I mean, you know, I think that's obviously what people, critical thinkers were so afraid of with the second term. Like, that's all gone off. Sure enough, sure enough. But yeah, no, so I think we haven't gone through an election cycle where people are this pissed off who don't really pay close attention to politics. It's just that they are in a cult. I mean, I don't even really say that to be funny. Like, if you really, you're in a cult, your mind has been brainwashed or you just are that racist that like your life is terrible, but you can still punch down on a person of color and immigrant or something like that. And that's how you get your kicks. Like, that's really the only answer because your lives are terrible. For some of his base, yeah. I think the reason he won in 2024 is there was a significant group of 2024. (laughing) - Yes, he did. - I feel like they've admitted that, okay, you know what? - No, I'm not gonna go on this road. - Don't worry, he won. - Okay, okay. - But young people, Latinos, some black men, younger black men. So there were group of voters in 2024 who just hadn't voted for Trump before. And we're like, you know what? Because they were upset about the economy, under Biden. - Right. - They were upset about inflation, which again, not Joe Biden's fault, COVID's fault. - I just, we are all dealing. - It's like people just forgot the shit sandwich that Joe Biden was handed. - Also because no one wants to remember the pandemic. - Right. - Right, we all have PTSD from that. And so people were like, well, I remember Trump won, and I think he's, I remember a voter on a focus group, and Sarah Longwell does focus groups all the time. She's at the ball work. And I always remember this 'cause she'd set a throw at 2024. This voter was like, you know what? I think I'm gonna vote for Trump again. Why? Well, you know what, I think he's an asshole, but I'm just gonna mute the TV and not watch him for four years and not listen to anything he said and just enjoy the Trump economy. And so there was that. And I think all those people now are like, no, like this. - Of course. - I'm done. - But I do see how you can get there, where you're like, you know, it's my 2017, and my 2018 and my 2019 were a lot better than this present day, 2022, 2023. Like if that's really all you're based and not without any other critical thinking, like I guess I do see all you get there. - And it is, it is people's lives. I mean, like, you know, I saw this happen here in LA during the mayoral race with all the people who were like flirting with voting for Spencer Pratt. And I was like, wait, wait, what? - What? - What? - Oh, we have to take this seriously. - But people are, you know, people are living their lives and if suddenly they see a bunch of crime on their street or their kids are going to school and there's, you know, homelessness and their neighborhood or a fire happens and suddenly they feel helpless because no one in the city is responding. Like, it doesn't matter what party they are or what party the people in power. They're going to vote them out and vote in people who tell you that like, this shit is fucked and I'm going to fix it. - Right. - And you don't have to be, you know. - Go ahead. - Or you don't have to be like in a cult, right? Like, you don't have to be, well, you don't have to be like a, you know, a Trump voter that you don't have to have any specific thing wrong with you. You used to be a person who's pissed off. - Totally. - You know? - And in terms of voter suppression, are you seeing the administration, Maga Republicans, whatever you want to call them, really try? Like, are you? - I mean, they have tried. Like, they're just, you know, they're mail-in executive order, mail-in voting executive order that was going to limit mail-in voting was struck down by the Supreme Court because they just haven't been able to succeed. Now, like, everyone's worried about ICE agents at the polls, maybe, but I actually think if a bunch of federal agents are running around the polls, like, that's going to, I think that's going to cause a backlash. Like, I think people are going to be like, crawling over glass to get to the polls. - Yeah. - In this election, ICE agents be damned. - I know, that's my big thing. I think I get too, like, worked up about, like, if you were to ask me my biggest thing of this presidency, like, that's the thing that like, has, you know, I've-- - Same. - Yeah, so-- - It is, it is kept me up at night. But I mean, do you feel like we are being, not us, but Americans groomed to accept this violence and just desensitize? Like, this was all part of the plan. I mean, I know a lot of this was outlined in Project 2025. I go crazy when I think about the document was available publicly, and this was all part of the plan. But I think that's, I'm kind of asking in you and also kind of venting, like, I feel like, the violence on our streets is just really warping us to accept, I mean, even what we, I think we just also want to get beat up in a rally. Like, all of those little things, I mean, just in general, with violence against women, and we're seen with Cornell. Like, all the things this amalgamation is making us just accept violence, and we've seen this play out before. - I would doubt that it was an intentional plan because these idiots-- - Right. - They don't put a lot of thought into these things, but it's certainly the outcome. - Yeah. - And I don't know that it's just them. I think it's just like the culture we live in now, and I think it's the fact that politics is largely mediated through these social media platforms where we are only seeing the worst of each other. And I do worry that it dehumanizes us and desensitizes us to violence. And like, if you look through history, that is what's happened to societies before. And it doesn't have to be someone's master evil plan. It can be a bunch of people in power who are careless, reckless, selfish, narcissistic-- - And like the violence. - And like the violence and believe, certainly as Stephen Miller believes, and some of these guys, that we are in a survival of the fittest world, and so we are governed by strength and force and power, and democracy is for possees. - Right. - That's basically their view of the whole thing. - Right, and that's what's so scary. And Pete Hegseth, who thinks he's playing Call of Duty with the country, and like he wants us to watch the execution, like he wants that, like that's what's so scary. Like we're not built the same. - Yeah, the government is inviting us to be spectators to the death of a human being. - But you can't go to a drag show or watch Miss Rachel. - Right, right. - And these books aren't available in the library. Like I can feel crazy. - Right, yeah. I worry about that the most because it is, it's more of a gradual thing, but it's also why, no matter how dark it gets and frustrating it gets, I think I keep banging my head against the wall and doing this because if we all just give up, then it's gonna get worse faster. And the only thing you can do, like what the time you have here, is to just fight back and know that like we've gone through periods like this before, and the pendulum swings in a very bad direction, and then it swings back, and it doesn't swing back on its own, it swings back because people are like, I'm not gonna deal with this anymore. - Right. I just say I want, I just want to survive it. I know it sounds so bleak. I just want me and my husband and my family and my friend, I want someone to survive it. - Yes. - Like we will get through it. And you know, that's really, that's dark. But do Democrats typically go out more on a midterm election? Like in the last 10 years because Trump's on in the ballot? Like I find hope in that because I feel like-- - We go out, what do we what? - We go out to vote more. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, yes, in a way. What happened in, there was this like, there's been a realignment of voting coalitions in the Trump era where for a while, the sort of wealthiest and most college educated voters were Republican and Democrats won the work in class. - Isn't that crazy. - And then it started shifting. It started shifting. - Sounds like you're lying. - Yeah, right. As far back as the Clinton era, and there grew this professional class of voters who startedly became more socially liberal. Now they're also more economically liberal. But we have basically switched. And so the Democratic coalition is highly educated, very engaged voters, and the Republican coalition is like non-college educated, lower income voters. Now that's race. It's also, but so it's white voters. And Latinos now are becoming more like white voters in the sense that there's a college, non-college divide that explains the Latinos that were losing to the Republican party. And it's starting to happen with black voters, though, with their because they're such a tradition of civil rights and the Democratic party, it's taken longer. And so in a presidential election, everyone shows up, or at least the most voters show up, because-- - That's a super ball. - Yeah, and people who don't pay attention to politics, and who are non-college educated, like they all come to the polls, and they are Trump voters. And that's why Trump is done better. And in the midterms, you get a smaller election. and so the smaller electorate is better for voters. - Totally. I feel like we saw this with the last midterms. Like it, yeah, the red wave that was the second. - And special elections, we do even better. - Totally, yeah, love a special election. - That's my thing. - Is it great that high turnout no longer helps? To regret, no, it's not great. We are going to need to expand the coalition to win back voters who show up in presidential elections or else we will be screwed. - Yeah. - Which is why when you asked me at the beginning, like do I feel great about the midterms? Like do, but the real challenge is taking back the White House in 2028 and for that, we have a lot of work to do. - Yeah. Okay, let's, we'll start, day by day. - Yes, day by day. - Yeah, we're gonna have to worry about that now. - Okay, and just gonna take a quick break to tell you guys about the Columbia Sportswear Amaze Puff. I love this jacket, so, so much. So one of my core memories in my Amaze Puff jacket is the Eagles game last year and we went and was it not the coldest day? It was snowing. 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Yes, I know, it's crazy. It's a contest. And so we have like a Senate fund and a house fund where we make sure we only have the most competitive races that actually need money the most. And we sort of like switch races in and out to make sure that like, it's the best bang for your buck. Okay, so what are you, like, name a few now? What are you into? What are you guys? What are we, what are you, what are you, the top three favorite races? I mean, I think if I was donating in the Senate, I mean, Michigan, Texas, Iowa, Ohio, for sure, Alaska. And those, that's about, that's about the list. Georgia and North Carolina. I think John Oshoff and Roy Cooper have a lot of money. I think they're good, I think we're, yeah, me too. I think they're doing great. So I don't think I wouldn't donate there. And then in the house, it's hard to know what the most competitive ones are at any given moment, but we have a crooked dozen of 12 Republicans that we're really trying to beat. So check it out. Okay, I'm just, I'm so obsessed with Texas. And like, what's going on with James Telleriko? And I was like a Jasmine Crockett fan. So I was upset, but then the Chris Brown stuff, I'm like, what happened? Like, it's my biggest disappointment to the year, John. He's great though. Chris Brown? No, Telleriko. Oh, telleriko. No, we're not. I'm not a, no. So she really lost me with that. But it was very weird. It was such a weird choice. I don't understand that. I mean, you're a, she's a whirney. I guess. But it's like, you could have gotten the lap dance without giving him the congressional award, Jasmine. Anyway, but I really have come around on James Telleriko and he is what we need. I, you know, a white Christian man. It's a good person. To win the right people over. Yeah. You know, like, of course I want women and all the things, but it's just like, that's bridging the gap. Yeah, like we need more genuine people in politics who are running because they actually want to help and they're trying their best and they're not perfect people and they haven't lived perfect lives, but also they actually are trying really hard. Yeah. And just want to connect with people on that level. I do see that like ideology aside a lot of, you know, from the center on over to the left. Like the people who are sort of standing out are younger, millennial, even now Gen Z. People who've gotten into politics and are just haven't grown up in the trenches of like political warfare for the last like 30 years and are like ready for something new and to offer people something new. Totally. And also the way that they've experienced politics is in a much more authentic way because they're, you know, whether it's like social media, I mean, there's all the bad sides of social media, but for a lot of these folks, they just, they can talk to people like normal human beings, which to me is the most important quality you can have as a politician, which seems crazy to say, but like, yeah, talking like a normal human being is, it's in high demand and in court to apply. And I just hear for the right reasons. I don't think-- Here for the right reasons. I was like an OG Barney girl. And I was the first political rally I ever went to in Atlanta. And I think I felt an authenticity with him. And you don't see it with a lot of people, even on the left. You know, it was where someone really doesn't seem like they're in it for the right reasons. And I feel like you know it when you see it. Bernie's an interesting case, too, because when people think authenticity, sometimes they think like, well, you need like a great personal story and you need to be sort of emotional. And I want someone to be in spot, you know? And I sat with Bernie, interviewing him a couple times. I love Bernie. And you'll try to ask him like a personal question or two. And he's like, no. That's my boundary. He's like, no, I'm just going to talk about my policies that I want to talk about. And it works because when you're talking to him, you're like, this is what he believes. He's one track mind. And he's just pissed. Right. And he's not going to tell you about like the person he met and on this. He's just me like, no, this is what I believe. And if you agree with me, great. And if not, that's okay, too. Right. I just I feel that it stems from this anger of this isn't right. We don't have to live like this. and I'm gonna die trying and I really do. respect it and I'll defend him to the death and I just feel like we don't have many of those politicians. It's a confidence in what you believe and what you're doing that also has a certain fear lessness to it and like I remember when Obama ran we were running against Hillary in the primary and she was beating us by a lot it's at one point and Obama sort of gathered the whole campaign around and he was like look if I lose this primary like I will happily endorse Hillary I will do everything I can to make her president and then I will go home to my wife and kids in Chicago and live a happy life because like I want this job yeah and I think I would be the best candidate to be president but I don't need this. I'm really laughing that like Obama not waiting he's like what a relief you know like I don't really want this anyway who would want this job but you know you're you should do it like I feel like about this even with jobs like journalists it's like you are called to do it it may be thankless it may not be high paying but like God bless the people that do these jobs just because of the genuine desire and like I'm the person for the job yes and but like because that was Obama's mindset he took risks yeah other politicians don't take because he's like I don't want to that. I mean after we after he gave that the speech on race after he's like you know Pastor made the incendiary remarks and all that um he gave a very honest speech about race in America that you know I helped him right but he wrote the parts that I could never have written like you know I can't just own my white grandmother or you can no more just own rather right than I can my white grandmother who used to say racist things once so I'll like never write that for him yeah um but I remember I remember after that speech he called me and he was like uh so I did that I think it went well I have no idea if I can get elected president saying what I did about race and being that honest but I also know that if I was too afraid to say it I don't really deserve to be president and I don't deserve a job and so like why not say what I believe right and I think that that's Bernie I mean I hate to say that but that is Donald Trump right and so like I don't even want to do this and so you have to you have to run like you're not afraid of losing right and like take big swing take risks and don't play it safe and I swear Trump when he took the stage winning a second term he looked just as confused as us and he looked furious because he needs to win he thinks he's a winner obviously the biggest loser that's ever been in this country but he really looked like I don't know if I want to do this and he does it no he doesn't he just wants to do home reno yeah and golf make somebody and golf and shit is yeah I guess um and uh yeah and just just be be loved or think that he's well okay so I want to talk to you about accountability and I think you guys had a recent episode about just Pete Hegseth and accountability and what can congressional oversight accomplish and where are its limits I guess is the first question and in your personal opinion do you think that we will ever have a version of the Nuremberg trials for all these things that have happened with with ice with the detainment centers you know with all of that I mean should say as much as you want that's no sure sure so the limits of oversight are um you know we don't have we won't we won't have a super majority to get an impeachment conviction for Trump or any of the cabinet secretaries we can try but I think everyone should go in knowing that we don't have the we need two-thirds of the Senate to convict so there's that um I think that oversight can expose information that hasn't been exposed so the public can understand what's going on and you get hearings and you get documents and you get witnesses so there's there's all that but I also think everyone should be prepared for Donald Trump giving everyone a pardon that has ever worked for him uh right okay leaves office yeah and now that's federal pardons and there's could be tested in court right but like unfortunately you were talking about the things the founders didn't exactly get right um along with the lifetime appointments in the Supreme Court the pardon power being unconditional and that sweeping is I think a huge problem sure because I do worry that he'll pardon everyone and then they're you know you state if they commit state crimes you could see like yeah state attorneys general just bringing some of these people up on charges if they have you know violated state laws but otherwise I think it's gonna be hard and I've got sucks yeah yeah it's not that I think that the next president should spend a ton of time I sure like relitigating the last four years because I think as much as some of us would like that that's not what most of the country wants but I do think it's important to have some measure of accountability so that it doesn't happen again I guess where I would go is making sure there anytime there were um norms the Trump violated or traditions or just things the way they were done I'd put a law in there yeah going forward yeah uh instead of just like well this is how it's done but and and no one has ever done it like this and we've just sort of relied on all of us realizing that like decorum so you know yeah anything that's a norm I would I would try to pass legislation so that it's an actual law right that's what I would do going forward because I do think it's gonna be you know if he if he does do sweeping pardons I think it's gonna be hard is there a limit on pardons it can it can it be thousands no limit at least that's not with constitution it's just like the the pardon powers like it could be anyone who was a nice agent if you really wanted to go on a dark road but you know I just yeah it is really disheartening to think that people have lost their lives you know and children have been traumatized forever and we don't know what's going on inside these centers and this is the stuff that keeps me up at night yeah I think in some of the ice stuff you know there's state investigations already going on into some of the ice stuff I also think there's civil lawsuits that they're not gonna you know so like yeah I think there's measures of accountability federal criminal liability is the one that I worried about it okay so get them on the state level okay and in terms of just information consumption because again this is something that just like consumes me like when Alex Prattie was shot I just that's all my that was my weekend like I couldn't do anything else my husband I would took a trip to live in a beach we were trying to enjoy ourselves and I like had to leave a restaurant in tears like how do you compartmentalize and I guess even digest information so you're not constantly raging or sad you know like it do I try to control the controls I try to respond to information thinking okay is this something I can do something about right or is this something that's just gonna spin me out yeah so I try to do that but I also I think it's important to let yourself feel some of this yeah because I don't want to compartmentalize so much that it just sort of bounces off well that's the desensitization that's the point yeah whether it's intentional or not funny I was just watching the I got it I got an advanced screener of the the Elon documentary oh it just came out that he was trying to block the bus yeah the one that he's been trying to block Alex Gibney's doc and it's four hours long I love all these doc but it was intense yeah and so I'm watching it all I'm getting like angry and angry watching it and then it wasn't until like the last hour they get to shutting down the USAID and which along with ISIS and other you know thing I'll remember from the second term forever and I also you know our godmother of our child is was it USAID and so watching her go through it all stuff and work close with Samantha Power who ran USAID because she worked in the Obama administration and at some point in the doc they're talking about all the people who died because of this and they some interview Samantha and I didn't like I haven't seen her do an interview since she was left USAID and she starts talking about the kids they could have saved and she broke down yeah during the interview and I'm watching this and I like cried for like the first time in I I don't know how long about politics but it's just like it's sort of like it builds up you know after because you can only deal with so much of it yeah it's a sudden you're like oh no I'm a human and this is all we have to go through the day you have to you have a child you know like you have to yeah and so every once in a while it does hit yeah and then you're like okay well I'm gonna have a little bit of a cry and then I'll go back to yeah scrolling and yelling what are your thoughts on meaningful activism like how can someone start small I mean obviously vote and you just are right to vote but how can people actually feel like they're doing something yeah I think getting involved in local politics helps I think even if you care more about national politics but you want to be involved in your own community that helps I think you know we are getting to the point now where knocking on random doors and calling people yes it's tough to get an answer you can still do it you know we were in Austin for the coordinated campaign there telleriko everyone else Gina you know osa and we you know knocked on doors for an afternoon in Austin you know a lot of people aren't home some people don't want to hear from you but some people are like yeah I'm gonna vote thanks how do I where do I vote and how do I help get help making a plan and you're like if you can talk to one person like that in two hours yeah that's still something somebody yeah and but I also think you can be very persuasive in your own social networks okay and so the question we always get is like what do I do about the uncle that's the trump voter it's like well at some point maybe don't talk to the uncle about politics but maybe you have a cousin or a friend who has voted in the past, but is now feeling like, why does my vote even matter? And maybe you can convince them. And maybe you can say, hey, did you see this? What do they care about? What issues do they care about? Hey, did you see this piece? Have you thought about whether you're gonna vote? And maybe if you actually get involved this time, like you could make a difference, it could matter in your life. So I do think like getting involved in your own social circles and social network. And seeing if everyone has a plan to vote, seeing if they're gonna vote, seeing if they can persuade other people, like that is a way to feel useful without doing the whole, how am I gonna convince the Trump voter in my life thing? - Right, yeah, I guess some people you just never will. - That's right. - And that's okay. - Yeah. - I have plenty of relatives who are Trump voters, and yeah. - I'm so sorry. - I don't have any. - I don't have a ton, but I have one family where like the one of my relatives is, like my aunt is a Trump voter, and her grandson is so far to the left that things the Democrats are all bad too. - Oh yeah. - So I got both, and I'm like, you know what? I can't talk to either of them about politics that much. Like I'm just gonna talk to them about other things. - Yeah. - And I'm like, why? I'm not gonna, you know, I've known my aunt for my whole life. When am I gonna convince her now? What's the point in arguing about politics? - Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's why people are desperate with this question. What am I supposed to do? I mean, this is my parents, you know, and just in general, disagreeing about politics or I don't do politics, I love this quote, that's like, well, maybe they're gonna do you. - Yeah. - You know, like so. - They are. - But you posted something and I remember re-sharing it of if you're not speaking out now. Like now's the time, essentially. And so we've come to such an inflection point. This is not 2017, 2022, like this is so different. So people are obviously having such a much harder time with it and people are losing friends and not going home for the holidays. And so I just curious of how you navigate a fundamentally different value system with someone in your life. - And I have plenty of people in my life like this as well. If you're someone who maybe at the beginning of the Trump era, you got involved, but then 10 years later, 10 years into this, you're either exhausted or you're like, I don't wanna speak out, you speak out and someone yells at you and you get trouble and like, what if I say the wrong thing? Then I would think to yourself, actually, this is a moment to speak out because the stakes are extremely high. And don't worry about saying the wrong thing. There's plenty of other people talking. You can amplify their voices. You can talk to the people in your own life. If you don't wanna be posting to a whole, you know, publicly about a whole bunch of people, but like there's strength in numbers. And the more people who speak out, it might not seem like it makes the biggest difference, but it does make the biggest difference. - I think people notice. - People notice. - Well, now I wanted to talk, I didn't plan on talking about this with you, but I wanna talk about the left and where they go wrong and the policing. And, you know, I have such a problem with this and just there's this purity politics of it all. I have such a huge problem with this. I mean, this is obviously you see it scrolling social media and you're like, you're supposed to be, we're supposed to be in the same team here. I did, this is an aside, but an example is just with what happened with Cornell and this whole, I saw this whole side of TikTok or threads or whatever, like don't call in the Cornell 7 and like let people call them whatever they want if they're speaking out against this, like the language policing and you didn't say this right, you didn't do this right and the infighting between the left and this just hurts us so much as this is our problem. I feel like this is our core wound. - It is, you know, I haven't talked about the Cornell case, partly because I'm like, this is a, I don't know all the details. I'm not at the school. I'm not, I like, I know what I see online, but what, we're not, I'm not gonna go by what I see online. And so then some said, well, don't, you know, don't you? Well, if you care about the issue, then if you're at another college or you're in a community or you have kids or you are, you know, like, deal with it in your own life and your own community in a way where you're sitting down with people face to face and having these discussions, they can be difficult discussions. But there's not a lot of benefit to yelling about it with each other online because, like, I do this with politics because the end of the day someone's gonna go vote for something. But like, we're waiting on the Cornell. Like, we are gonna wait for an investigation, maybe it'll turn up something, maybe it won't. We don't know what's gonna happen. I just saw today the Cornell is gonna like, redo all of their policies and so they're getting rid of fraternity parties and they're now gonna be sexual assault investigation. So like, they have taken a step, right? And did they take a step because there was public pressure? Yes, it's public pressure, good. Absolutely. But it goes beyond public pressure when people are like arguing with each other about a case that is not in their life and in their community that they have nothing to do with, but they're trying to like win an argument online. And you could say this about any number of issues. Exactly, yeah. And sometimes I get involved when I shouldn't get involved. But like, I always try to remind myself, like, is the outcome of this argument going to lead to some kind of a change or contribute to a change that has a tangible outcome? And if yes, then like, maybe I can push, but if no, what am I doing screaming about this? And also, what am I doing? Like, people come to these issues with varying levels of knowledge and they are maybe not as tuned in as you. Maybe they are in a, they probably are in a different information ecosystem than you. So they have been exposed to information that is different than yours. And so if you think they're wrong or you think they said the wrong thing, then what is the best way to convince them of that? Is it too yell at them? Is it the desire to tell them that they don't belong in your party? Or in your movement? Or is it to say like, hey, I hear that you said that and it doesn't, I don't not sure I agree, but I want to know where you're coming from and then maybe we can have common ground. Right. But even to your point, like you saying, you haven't really discussed it. I don't know, have you got messages? You don't care about it. You know, like we just have this mob mentality about everything, not just politics, Kelly Clarkson right now, you know, with the bird. And like, it's just a mob mentality and which I'm obsessed with by the way. But I've gotten this too, what the things I choose to discuss. I'm like, I'm on the right side of history and I'm staying the course and I'm making an impact where I think that I can and I cannot tackle every terrible thing that happens in every community and every country. I'm kind of focused on the US. And that's people come for me and for everybody. You haven't talked enough about what's going on and whatever country I'm not going to name names and get people riled up. But it's just like I am hyper focused on the shit show where I live. And that's where I feel like I can make an impact with my podcast and my platform. And so I really have such a problem with this from our own quote unquote side. Well, when it comes to left. Politics is addition, it's not simple to say, but you win elections. And the purpose of politics is to build power so that you can use that power to change things. For people. And the way that we have things set up here is that you build that power by bringing more people together and having a bigger coalition than the other side. And there is no universe in which you're going to build a coalition that is a majority coalition with everyone that believes what you believe. That's just not the case. It's never how it's been in this country. It's never how it's been in any country in the history of the world. So the idea that everyone has to have your exact positions and now people will say, yes, but on this issue, this is the non-negotiable issue. Well, sure, everyone has a non-negotiable issue. That's why you believe in it so deeply. But sometimes you're going to have to have people in your tent that believe things that you don't believe. Right. And it is useful for them to vote the way you want them to vote. And then if they somehow take power for that issue that you disagree with them on, then you can fight them on that. Right. Totally. I totally agree. I mean, what has happened to us? Because I just think back to pre-Trump and I lived in Atlanta. And I just know so many of the people I was hanging around with, but not my best core friends. We all knew where we were aligned, the pre-Trump even, with our value system. But probably a dinner with half the table on a Friday night with people who were Republicans, and it didn't matter. It didn't come up. They voted for Mitt Romney. I didn't care. I know. That's the scariest part of what we've become in the past 10 years. And the social media is just to amplify it so much more. And so I get worked up about this stuff. You when I see the Taylor Swift community, I'm like, just leave her alone. Aren't you supposed to be a fan? Like I swear, sometimes I get too invested in other things that remind me of the political system. Because it's all, I mean, but it is, it is, it is, it is almost a hundred percent online. Yes. And that is the thing, because you can, I have talked to Republicans in real life. I've talked to people who are further to the left than me in real life who are activists, organizers, people who are in politics, and nine times out of 10, they are always more pragmatic. Even if they are ideologically way further than me to the left or right, they are still more pragmatic than the discussion online. Yes. Especially if you have, if you work in the campaign, or if you've worked for a cause or an organization, and you have had to go around and convince people, to take an action, who might not agree with you. It doesn't matter what you believe. You are going to naturally be more pragmatic because you've had that experience of what it takes to convince someone. and you don't have to have that experience online. - You're so, I mean, yeah. Everybody has an online personality and a real life personality. - Yep. - So since we're talking about online, what are you feeling about the bot farms being bombed? Do you have, have you seen a difference? Have you noticed? - I haven't noticed a difference, but I've noticed people posting about a difference. - Yeah. - Which is not totally surprising to me. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's real. The bot farms are real. Now, the bot farms aren't on their own, making everything awful, but they are an amplification tool. - Exactly. - Which is what social media is anyway. - So it's, I think it's a net positive. - Oh yeah, for sure. - Yeah, let's get rid of the bot farms. - So let's get the hero we need. Who saw this? - Look, there is a, you know, someone would only buy Twitter back from Elon Musk or some of the, you know, you could have a lot of these social platforms that are not algorithmically juiced, that do not have the four U feeds. - Yeah. - That it's just about who you're following and, you know, you take away the quote to, I mean, there's like a couple of things you could do that would make it a much better, it wouldn't make it perfect, but it would make it a much better experience for people. - I get really fired up about this just with Instagram specifically. Like, you should have to verify your identity. In some way, you can, two seconds, you can create a new account. You can have a bunch of pre-email address. Like, just there's one extra layer, they could just snap their fingers and do that would make it so much better and make people less bullied and safer. I mean, the meanest things I've ever read about myself online or for some of no avatar, no following this is a fake account. - I know. - They could so easily do anything. Like, why am I having more verification to shop on an online store? - Yeah. - Two-factor verification to buy a pair of jeans. - I know. - But you can create an Instagram account and start bullying people. - Yes. - You know. - It's bad. It's bad. And I've noticed it, too, where I used to think Instagram was like the friendly place, because I remember Instagram from, like, this is where my friends and family and I would share pictures. And now it's like, 'cause when I took Twitter off my phone, it's like, I gotta scroll something. And then I was like scrolling Instagram. I'm like, oh, it's so much crap. And it feels like another version of Twitter now. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's just feeding you stuff. I'm like, I didn't want any of this. I'm not following any of these people. - It just depends on who it gets served to. Like, I will have a clip, even from our podcast. And it's all fun and games. All the girlies are in there and hyping me. And I posted this thing recently out this revenge. I got on this guy that goes to me and it was so fun. It was such a good day. And I don't know what happened. The men infiltrated it and I'm just getting slut-shamed. She's lying. It's crazy. And if you feel it, it's like, I know when it's happening, I'll see the nastiest comment from some guy. I'm like, I'm going viral. Like, it's so sad that something is popping off and you're like, and now I'm about to get bullied off the internet. - My wife and I will always say, like, when I'm in like a Twitter fight, she can tell because I'm quiet. - Yes. - And she can see like my jaw going in the house. And then sometimes she'll be like, oh, she'll look at Twitter and she'll be like, I knew he was in a fight. - They know, of course they know. Do you read the comments? Like, do you read comments on pod save, load save, any sort of clips? - Not generally. - Okay. - Once in a while, but not generally and what I've done on Twitter is, I only get notifications from people who I follow. So if I go to notifications, the only comments are from people who I've chosen to follow. - Self-care. - So I don't, don't read it. - Okay, one more burning question. And then I promise we'll wrap up. Who are you into presidential run on the left? - For a while, I was like, to be honest, no one is jumping out at me and I was really, and now I really do like Jon Osov. - Oh. - But I don't know if he's gonna run. - What is that? - And gotta see a lot more because he's in a Senate race now and the presidential race is a whole different beast. - Yeah. - But I think he's got promise. We'll see. I think Pete Buttigieg is very smart. Love Pete. - He's the best. - I think AOC is one of the better communicators in our party, but harder for someone on the left, but we'll see if anyone could do it on the left, it's her. And then, beyond that, I'm still waiting. If Osov doesn't run, or maybe they both run, but Raphael Warnock and Georgia, the other Senator is also wonderful. - Georgia politics, man. I mean, I lived there for 11 years and it just wasn't this spicy. And I don't think that's not the best state to watch. - I mean. - It's fun. - It might be. - Yeah. - So yeah, all of the, I'm-- - What do you feel about Gavin Newsom? - I love Gavin. As a, like, as our governor, and I've gotten to know him, I think it's tough for anyone from California to run for national office. I think about Gavin. - 'Cause we're just like two successful, we're just like two. - Just the biggest economy, everything is just beautiful. - It's like we're on vacation every day to Okalford. - I know, I know. - I just, I've so, I get so far to about the hate for California. - I think a lot of it is unwarranted. I think some of it is like states where there is democratic governance, supermajorities in a legislature, democratic governor, and then there are still problems with housing, prices, people are just gonna be like, what the fuck? This is, you know, and like every far left liberal thing, that people complain about has happened in California. - It's just, there's-- - And this is like Newsom aside, almost like whoever runs from-- - I get it, but I, God, I've listened to a podcast of him. I think it was on Rachel Lindsay's podcast, talk about how impressive California actually is that the stuff that no one talks about. And it's like-- - He does do that, he gives the best case. - But we know the bad stuff too, you know, there's so much that we have good going on that red states could never, could literally never. - Also, it's the, you know, fifth largest economy in the world. - Of course. - And so, it's hard to govern California. That's what-- - I agree. - It's a beast. It's not like governing a smaller state. - Well, he's doing it. - It's like governing the country. - It's like being the president of 50 states. - Yeah, it's not easy. - It shouldn't be a job. - That's true. - I'm ready to succeed. (laughing) Okay, so did they prep you on this segment that we were gonna do the dating? - No, but I know that you guys do it until I started thinking. - Okay. - And honestly, my first thought was I have not dated in 12 years. - This can be within your marriage. - More, actually, 15 years. - Okay, so we are doing dating hack and dating hack. Yeah, so the dating hack, it can be in your marriage, or it can be something that worked with your wife early on, something like unconventional, maybe. Did you have any moves, like what did you, would you talk about Obama on a first date? You know, like, I don't know. - I did. I did talk about Obama. - Work for Obama. - I did talk about Obama on the first date. - About your percent. - Well, because you have this very funny, we met at a bar in DC. - Okay. - And it was like Georgetown Glover Park area, which is like more of a Republican, it was like a Republican area bar. So Emily thought, Emily was like, oh, I work for, I'm interning for a senator, but you probably wouldn't like him. - Oh. - And I'm like, oh, well, she's like from Ohio. And I was like, oh, Rob Portman. (laughing) This is how dorky it was. She's like, no shared brown. I'm like, oh, I'm like, well, I work in the White House. She's like, you do? And I was like, yeah, so that was how we, that was how we first connected. - Okay. - Assuming the other one was a Republican. - Really? That's so funny. - Yes. - We both presented a little Republican. - I don't know. - Okay. - At that bar in DC. - You know what I mean? - I would not say that was a dating hack, though. - Present Republican everybody. - My dating hack was always, and this worked out with Emily as well, which was like the first day I always find very easy. - Okay. - Because you find out everything about the other person and they find everything about you and you're just like, you're telling your life story, the second date is always the real, the really tough date. So for second dates, let's go out with friends. Her friends, my friends, but let's have like a big group. We're hanging out and if you can hang with my friends, if I can hang with your friends and everyone's laughing, have a good time, then that bridges the first date to second date problem, which is always, if you just do like a quiet dinner for the second day of the first date, then it's like, well, I've done all my material on the first date. - Oh, what are we doing? - So that was my dating hack. - It's really great. And we have interviewed all the experts in the dating world over the last eight years. And I think of Esther Perrell talking about, you want to see someone in their element, you know, a second date that might feel early to some people for a group hang. It's not, you know, meet someone where they're at, see how they are in their real life. And rather than just staying across from them at a dinner. - That and that is Emily hung out with all of us on the second date. - I love this. - My friends are funny and sure enough. - I can't. Yeah, would they have bad friends? Or no friends? - Or no friends. - We just watched, I love you man recently. Have you seen, like, fall right at the Jason Segal? Okay, do you have a dating whack? Something you just see. - This is another, this is like a DC thing too. So maybe it's not everywhere, but people are too self-serious. I just, I can't. - Yeah. - Like, I want to know that someone can be self-deprecating from the job. - Immediately. - I try to be that great. And I'm like, and this is not it. Like, you can take politics seriously. You can take your job seriously. You can take anything seriously. Just don't take yourself seriously. - Yeah. - And people in DC tend to take themselves seriously. And I can't hate it. Like, you got to be able to joke around. - Yeah, I had a friend recently and she had to break up with a guy over this. It wasn't, I don't know. He was a grown man. He's 40 years old. That's how he was. He's got to find the right person for him. - Right. And then we'll be a good, a right person for you. - Like, he couldn't make fun of her. Like, he couldn't be self-deprecating himself. Like, she was just like, yes. There's so much else good here. He's a nice guy. He's tall and hot. He has a job in a home, you know, and he just couldn't get there. And he's not going to at that age. And he'll need to find the person who wants to post an inspirational quote on Instagram non-ironically. And that'll be the right match for him. - Dating sounds brutal. He's just like, I'm an Emily right as like the apps were. It was like, I think Tinder was like the next year or something. So I never did dating apps. - Oh, okay. I mean, I did do that. Yeah. - Boy, am I glad. - Yeah, it's traumatizing. - And I will say-- - I do because I have plenty of friends who have, and I've sat with them through it, but it's like, it sounds rough. - We have toured all over in DC as one of our favorite places to do shows, and we've done a lot of shows there, and the great theaters there, the Warner, the Lincoln, like we just really love DC to DC and probably, like it's really such a great place for comedy. And we would ask people what it's like to date, in your city, all over. We did every major city in America, when we were on the specific tour, that was like one of our segments, and people would write in, and we would crowdsource on Instagram, and it was so much fun, because it was so specific to the city, people felt really seen. DC was the most specific. DC was one of the most fun cities to sh*t out, because it was just the politics of it all. - How nice to meet you, what do you do? - Where do you work? - That's what I was just gonna say. That's exactly what everyone said. I think we would play it on stage of how we got hundreds of comments, like what do you do? So what do you do? So what do you do right out of the gate? - High school cafeteria, DC, that's what it is. And it's funny, I went to a very small high school, graduated with 100 people, went to a pretty small college, and then I went to DC, and I'm like, is there anything out there, but places where you know everyone, and then have to ask everyone, like it's crazy. And then I remember when I moved to Chicago for the Obama campaign from DC, and I went out to bars in Chicago, and I'm like, whoa, people here are so nice, and they talk about things that are not just politics, and you can just have conversations with people. What a great city. - Totally. Yeah, DC is a totally different animal. - I'm from Boston, and I always think Chicago is a friendly, or friendly, or Boston. - Yeah, so my husband's from Boston. - Okay. - Where in Boston? - He grew up in Wuburn. - Oh my gosh, it's my grandparents are from. - Really? - Yeah. - I'm from North America. - Oh, really? - Which is like, yeah, a couple of towns away, and we would go to Wuburn all the time. - Oh my gosh, my grandmother's house was there. - That's so funny, yeah. - We love Boston, and Chicago best say to date, and where women will actually even say it, 'cause women rarely say their city is good to date in. It's tough. - Yeah. - So New York LA tied for first worst, then we probably have a DC, and then the better ones are Chicago. - Boston, it's more Chicago, Austin, Denver. Denver used to be Menver, not so much anymore. People don't hate Nashville that much. - Oh yeah. - Minneapolis is pretty good. We hear good things, but Chicago is in the top slot. - Yeah, I can see that. - Florida, bad. - No, thank you. - Philly, weird, but go birds, okay. Well, this was so wonderful, I kept you too long, but-- - No, this was fun. - Yeah, again, we don't do this a lot, so this was really special, and I'm glad you're feeling hopeful about the midterms, and can you tell everybody about CrookedCon? - Yes, so right after the midterms in DC, the greatest place of the day. - Great. (laughs) - And you're single. - We were having our second annual CrookedCon where we're gonna just have all kinds of, the better politicians, strategists, organizers, everyone's gonna gather. We did this this is our second year doing it, last year it was like a wild success, and we're gonna have like two days of live shows, conversations, panels, where you get to meet people, you get to break down what just happened in the election, and then we're sort of kicking off the debate for 2028, and yeah, so we're gonna be on November 5th through 7th, if you go to CrookedCon.com and get tickets, and we'll have Pots of America live show, love relieving live show, strict scrutiny, all the still counting, all of our, all your favorite shows, and we'd love to come hang, and hang out with ya. - I gotta say, this is a good place to find a like-minded person. - Oh yeah, for sure. - So I go there to date. - That's a great place to date. - CrookedCon, yeah. - 'Cause then it's also like, you just pop in and out, so you don't have to be, it's not like the DC culture, there's a lot of people flying for it. - Yeah, I know, I have some friends from New York going. - Okay. - Yeah, cool. - So I have a friend who is very star-struck that I'm here today, she's just like, oh my god, like she wants to work for you guys, basically, you know, I'll talk about that. - I will, I'll talk about that. - Thanks. - And then follow you, Pots of America, Vot of America. - J-fabs on Instagram, John Fabs on Twitter, and subscribe to our Pots of America YouTube channel. - And offline, I also do this podcast offline. - Yes. - Okay, got it. And you guys know where to find us. Girls gotta eat.com, girls gotta pack us to Instagram. And TikTok, I'm Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Reina, who is not here, but you saw her up top is Reina Duck Greenberg, Reina Greenberg.com for her tour tickets. You can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube, make sure you register to vote, all the things, and we will see you Thursday. This is where Reina says bye guys, and now I'm just all thrown off. Can you say bye guys? - Bye guys. (laughing) (upbeat music)