Midterm Map Wars, AirPods Revamp, and Trump Phone Grift

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It's your main show. It's the one that. It's the one that fuels all the others. Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Cara Swisher. And I'm Scott Galloway. So, I didn't hear from you yesterday on Mother's Day, but that's okay. No, I'm teasing. I'm teasing. Yeah, I can't even imagine the Royal Ascot Wedding Coronation Jubilee that is Mother's Day at your house. It is. It's great. I got so many things. It was really nice. Alex, I came back from Europe yesterday. And Alex was at the airport with balloons. And we took a picture in which I look like a hobbit, which was sweet. And then the Littles left me the most beautiful things they did. Clara did a whole book to me, Mutter, M-U-T-T-E-R. And Saul did this beautiful shrinky dink, which I liked. I like a shrinky dink. And then decorated something. And then Louise called several times. So, that was really fun. I just can't imagine the operational complexity of Mother's Day in your house. It's so cold. Seriously. Three mothers. You got three mothers, an ex, a ceramic mug business, and somebody definitely crying in a Subaru. It's got to be. That's Louie. It's got to be. There's a lot of moving parts. There's a lot of mothers, yeah. No, I have to say, and also my mother, too. Oh, my gosh. I forgot. Lucky. Yeah, Alex wins the thing. He went and made flower bouquets with my mother and went out with her for lunch. He hung out with Megan, which was great, and did all kinds of things with Megan, and then he met me. And he went out with Amanda and the kids to a playground and played with the kids and helped her. And so, Alex wins Mother's Day, I would have to say. That's nice. What did you do for your lovely wife? Not a lot. All I do is remind the boys to call her. Oh, wow. That's what I do. I basically, a lot of angry texts of something along the lines of, have you called the person that gave you life? Oh, nice. That kind of thing. That's a good one. Because men are just not that considerate on their own. Yeah. There's this illusion that my boys are incredibly considerate, thoughtful people in this household. Yeah. And it's their prefrontal cortex walking around whose name is Dad. Yeah, yeah. Because they're younger. Do you have a good memory of your mother for Mother's Day? Since you were so close to her. That's a nice, that's a generous question. I don't remember specific Mother's Days. I don't, yeah, I don't. I remember them when I was out of the house and when I was older more than I remember them when I was younger. We used to do the same thing, Kara. Whenever it was anything resembling a celebration or a birthday, we used to go to this deli on Western Boulevard called Junior's Deli. Oh, yeah, of course. And get the brisket dip and my mom would get the lox eggs and onions and inevitably a waitress who had been there 20 years would just come over and talk about how much I'd grown. And then we'd get halva on the way out. Halva? Yeah. Wow. That's a nice memory. I love those. In any case, I'm back from Europe. I know you're concerned. I was at Cambridge. Oh, you're back from Norway. No, I was in England. I was in London with Tina Brown's event, which was great. Then I went to Norway. We're big in Norway, Scott. I have to tell you. It's good to know. Many fans of the Nordic media days. That'll get us another 10 or 12 downloads. Well, there's only 5 million people in Norway, but I got to say, they're really good. They were a really great audience. And then I was at Cambridge at university at the Cambridge Union, which was really fun. I got to see it. King's College, which, you know, it's the punting boats and the beautiful lawns and the giant cathedrals and everything. It's quite a beautiful town, Cambridge. One of the things, they're so obsessed with Trump, all these countries, and the danger he poses. And they're all very concerned about these U.S. companies. And, you know, and sort of the feel is, are they colonizing us? You know, backwards colonization, which is, I know, a loaded word, but we're sort of extractors of their stuff. Anyway, it was. It was really interesting to hear. I learned a lot by just hanging out with all these people from Europe. Yeah, my thesis is that London is going to boom over the next three years. And not for the right reasons, but my thesis is that there's been this enormous transfer of human and financial capital out of London into the Gulf. Even if you talk to kids who are about to graduate from college, there'll be a few of them that are planning to go to Dubai. And my thesis is that, traditionally speaking, these masters of the universe from Europe who all migrated to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Riyadh, that in the last several weeks, their wives have been on there taking their kids to school and seen an incoming projectile and then went home and said, we're out of here. I think that the kind of the veil or the veneer of security and safety, more security than safety, there's still exceptionally safe places to live. Yeah. Has been pretty badly punctured, and I think that's going to move, have a dramatic reversal of the tides into Geneva, Milan, Madrid, and London, most of all. Also, I hate to say it, but beautiful, beautiful places. You know, the same thing on the end of this happening, there's just more statistics out of San Francisco in terms of the recovery and everything else, which is interesting. And, you know, just in real estate terms, I had someone like contact me to buy my house. The housing market is now on fire. For all, for everyone's moved back, which is really, it's interesting. It's just an interesting shift of these people. And then they complain, you know, they complain, complain, and then they come right back because they are the, I don't like to pick and choose places, but I have to say they really are the best places. These beautiful New York, San Francisco, London, Milan, they're just beautiful places to live and full of really interesting people. I don't know. Anyway, it just struck me. Like I've been, as I said, for the last 30 years, I've been in New York, New York, New York, and for the last 30 years, I've been molesting the earth for business and my reductive analysis of all regions. If I were to describe the world and where to live and for what reasons, America is still the best place to make money. And Europe is the best place to spend it. If you're in the making money part of your life, then you should absolutely get, figure out a way to get to the U S or one of 20 super cities where two thirds of all economic growth will take place. It's better to be good in Shanghai than amazing in Melbourne. Actually, Australia is a pretty, pretty robust economy. And if you, if you have the luxury of being in a part of your life where you have the disposable income and flexibility, it's very hard to, to, to beat Madrid. It is a nice, I was walking around saying I could live here. Madrid, Paris, Oslo in the Northern Europe in the summer, I mean, the South of France. Oh, maybe we'll just take a quick hop over to Capri or go check out the sites in Rome. Europe is fantastic. Of course it's, you have to have money to do that. One of the thing that, that, that, though, there is sort of hanging over England is this, you know, the Starmer government is in real trouble. It's going into a multi-party system and obviously the Nigel Farage group to restore whatever the fuck they want to restore reform movement is, is really gaining power, but it's more like a fractured power, like a, a many party system. And if the conservatives are falling off the, the map, it's really, it's just, they're very worried about Nigel Farage being the prime minister. That's for sure. A lot of people. Um, and, and, or else creating a situation where they can't form a government because of, uh, too many different power centers. And then the greens are also gaining, which is interesting. Like I don't, I, I am blissfully unaware of, of UK politics, but I would have, I think people would have a difficult time thinking of one person that's done more damage to the UK than Nigel Farage. I would agree. I would agree. If they pick him, boy, do they deserve what they get because this guy. I think if I were. Uh, I would be running on Baxit. They should absolutely rejoin the, uh. So it's just a few more self-inflicted wounds than our entry into Iraq and also the UK. He is a nefarious figure. And so, I don't know, so Putin-close and just the whole thing. The whole, every bit of Navajo Farage is awful. I don't know where to turn in that way. Anyway, we should get to the news. This is a really interesting story, I thought, and I was paying attention. It was why the FCC's lone Democratic commissioner is accusing the Trump administration of waging a, quote, sustained, coordinated campaign of censorship and control against ABC. In a letter to Disney CEO Josh DeMauro, Anna Gomez said the FCC under Brendan Brandacar has been weaponized to pressure a free and independent press and all media into submission. The letter comes after ABC accused the FCC of attempting to chill free speech, which it did, in a petition filed last week. That filing is tied to the FCC's probe into whether The View violated. Equal time rules when Texas Senate candidate James Tallarico went on the show earlier this year. ABC argues The View got an FCC exemption in 2002 as a bona fide news interview program, which it is, and that ruling remains in effect today. And, you know, as usual, Brenda has said so many things publicly that are really damning in terms of when they come to court, you know, as being such a suck-up to the Trump administration and not an independent person he's supposed to be. He can have his opinions about things, but it has become more. More censorious than all the left he accuses them of and is making all manner of business threats. It's interesting that Disney and ABC is pushing back rather hard under this new CEO, something probably, I suspect, Iger wanted to do, but felt he couldn't at the time. But any thoughts on this? Well, yeah, they're learning. They have figured out that sacking Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump's cock has not paid off for them. No. Remember the economic warfare that DeSantis was trying to levy for political reasons? No. And it doesn't pay to appease these guys. They did push back on DeSantis, if you recall. Remember, they sort of played games with him for a while. Meh, sort of. Yeah, they did. Well, anyways, this is- With Trump, they did not. That is correct. Yeah. And now go to the legal veracity. This isn't legal ambiguity. This is a government harassment campaign with an FCC seal on it. Saying that the equal time probe or that- The view violates equal time. That basically, essentially means Fox and Friends have been violating equal time for 25 consecutive years. This is just ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. And then the lone FCC or the lone Democrat on the FCC is a woman named Ana Gomez who essentially is yelling into a void while the institution continues to be weaponized against the press. It's not, I mean, Commissioner Gomez basically can't even dissent. It's more like a hostage note when she writes to the press. when she writes her letters of dissent. So this is nothing but, again, more weaponization of media or weaponization of our government agencies to try and squelch free speech. It's just insane when they talk about, I mean, all this bullshit that supposedly Democrats call for violence in the language they use. And Brenda is just making it worse by giving these stupid speeches with this smug little, you know, shit-eating grin that he always has on his face. And again, Brenda, I'm following you everywhere you go after you leave office, and I will make sure people understand what you did constantly. This is, and I hate to say this, and it goes into our next story. Do you want to talk about gerrymandering? Yeah, we will, yeah. I can read, for people who don't know, obviously, this got big press, has redistricting wars ramp up ahead of the midterms. Democrats are facing some major setbacks. Virginia's Supreme Court just struck down a voter-approved map that could have netted the Democrats up to four House seats. It's not over yet. We'll see. It's going to go to the Supreme Court. But the Supreme Court, of course, did its business by weakening the Voter Rights Act in recent rulings, setting off redistricting pushes in several Southern states. Republicans could now have around 15 new winnable districts, but Trump's approval ratings are still a massive hurdle. As one Democratic strategist put it, Trump has the power to rig the maps, but he doesn't have the power to get his approval rating higher. It could slap back at them. It's really interesting. One of the long-shot options reportedly tossed around in Virginia, lower the mandatory retirement age for the state Supreme Court and replace the entire bench. I think there's a bunch of things they may have to do, but what's a real shame is, that now the Democrats are going to have to gerrymander their states, which is not good for any. None of this is any good, to be breaking this precedent of 10 years following the census to do this, what is essentially stealing. Just when you look at the map in Tennessee, it's insane. Like, people are 210 miles away from other voters, which is crazy. It's crazy. It's a crazy map. And it's all done to retain power, which I think they won't, actually, doing this. I think people are offended. By having their votes stolen from them. Well, Democrats, and I agree with this, wanted to fight fire with fire, or gerrymandering with gerrymandering, and they lost both the map, and you could argue the moral high ground, although I think it was the right move. And you can't argue with the fact the other side is destroying democracy. I mean, Tennessee is the template, right? There's two Democratic congresspeople in 2020, Nashville and Memphis. Republicans redistricted Nashville in 2022, and now it's Memphis. The playbook. The playbook is pretty straightforward here. They find a Democratic district, and they redraw the lines until it disappears. Now, I actually believe. I don't believe. I mean, a really interesting message, and the right message for a candidate, specifically a presidential candidate, and right now the only one actually talking about fucking issues is Rahm Emanuel. They're all just cosplaying Obama, hoping rhetorical flourish, and talking about breaking bread with Jews and Muslims, and we need to come together. Although, I have to say, some got the job done in California. He, like, hit them hard and won. He fought back, and he won. He fought the law, and he won. Yeah. But we need structural reform. One, a really decent talking point and issue for a presidential candidate would be the following. Within 90 days, I'm putting up for a vote in the Congress and the Senate to de-gerrymander the entire United States. Six Republicans, six Democrats. We're going to use technology. It might be just as much as putting a grid on top of the United States map. And saying, "Okay, it might be AI, whatever it is, but we need to de-gerrymander the United States." And then I think another structural reform, and it goes to a larger issue, a lot of the world's problems right now can be reverse engineered to old men who won't fucking leave. It infects, it infects, it creates fascists who find reasons to deny democracy. It creates a public investment that lacks investment in young people and children. It creates a demographic crisis because young people don't get money because old people keep voting themselves more and more money. I see it in academia. Young academics are leaving the field because there's no fucking room for them. Because a guy who was the bomb in 1988 in Gapwin Accounting won't fucking leave because we give them tenure about the time they become totally unproductive. There needs to be a shedding, a healthy shedding of skin. I have self-imposed term limits on boards. You need to move on. And one of those structural reforms should be term limits. And age gating for the most important people over the long-term of the United States. And that is our Supreme Court. At both at the same time or one or the other? Yeah, for God's sakes, if you're 72, your prefrontal, your brain is shrinking. Your brain starts shrinking at 45. By the time you're 72, most people have a very difficult time with cognitive function. And I'm sure there's exceptions that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was very smart at 80. She should have been forced to retire at 72, as should the rest of them. You need young thinking. You need people. And people who occasionally have a fucking child in the house. So they can relate to the issues facing young people. You don't want to pack the court. Because all that means is when a Republican gets in, they're going to expand the court from 12 to 30 people under their watch. You need age gating. And you need term limits. But more than anything, a great talking point for a Democrat right now would be, I am going to de-geri-mander the US within 90 days. I'm going to put a vote up. And you can find out who is not up for true democracy here. Absolutely. I mean, one of the things, it's just that when you look at these maps, you know, at some point-- obviously, gerrymandering's been around forever. But these are like, the Republicans are committing unnatural acts. They really are. It looks like a weird sex position, the way they have drawn these things. And it's grotesque. It's grotesque. And you know what? It was, I have to say, those images from Tennessee with those fat, white, old men laughing at young, very vibrant, interesting, black legislators. Like, you're nothing more than-- It really did look like the Confederate South. They look like the Confederate South. It was aversion. And then laughing. By the way, y'all are going to die of a heart attack relatively soon, because you look like you could get out for a walk or two. But the visuals were so, like, these old, racist fucks. And I'm not sure that's-- and then, at the top of the heap is Trump, who looks like, who's cognitively-- I keep saying this, Scott, we have to, you know, we did it. We did it with Biden. I think we have to zero in on his cognitive difficulties that just continue. And today, Dr. Oz and the other one, Britt, Katie Britt, were, like, talking to him like he was a toddler, like a toddler when he was something or the other. Mr. Pres-- it's like you talk to someone in an old folks home. He's old, age gating. Again, age gating. No one should be allowed to run for president if, when elected, they're going to be older than 70. Or pick a number, have neurologists decide. But at some point, neither Biden nor Trump should be entrusted with overseeing the Sixth Fleet or NAFTA agreements or trying to stay up till four in the morning to get the votes they need. Whatever it is, this is a young person's job. Agreed. You know, when I said that to you, I think you were surprised. You were like, hmm. When I said I'm leaving at 72, I have 72 and that's it. That's it. I'm gone. I'm off to Cambridge. That's the number you fixed, 72? Yes, I bought myself a cap in Norway. I bought myself a cap. I love it. I'll send you a picture. Yes, that is it, 72. And I'm gone. I'm gone. Like, see you later. Maybe I'll sit and write historical novels from my cottage in Cambridge, but I'm gone. Like, gone, gone. I'm pretty sure your third wife's going to be Susan Collins. I think you're going to be one of those tech people that goes MAGA on us. No, no, Susan Collins. And I'm up for you, Mary. By the way, if a man and a woman need a marriage license to get married, what do two women need to get married? A liquor license. Oh, very funny. I don't think that's sexist. I think it's profane and vulgar, but I don't think it's sexist. I don't think it's funny is the issue I have. No, it's not that funny. It's not that funny. Anyway, these redistricting, I think he cannot fight the polls. The polls are so bad. Everyone doesn't like him. That's one thing I did, the message I gave to people. I was like, he is widely, he has his group that like him, but I got to tell you, you got to watch the cracks in MAGA and you got to watch the polling, which is everyone is sick to fuck with this guy. And he is cognitively disabled. I'm going to say that in every single show until past the 20th, 26th. That's the cold comfort that we as progressives are serving ourselves up this morning. And that is that Trump can't rig them. He can rig the maps, but he can't rig his approval rating. He will infuriate people. That's the hope that basically segregating voting again with taking a rate, neutering certain parts of the Voters' Rights Act, this ridiculous, corrupt gerrymandering that will come back to haunt him in vibes. And my fear is the following. Okay. Tell me, because I have a fear too. Well, I believe that America is still highly sexist, highly luxist, and opts for a person who may be wrong more often than not, but is effective versus people who are right and ineffective. And this is the key distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans right now, is the Republicans are wrong in being highly effective and Democrats, are right and virtuous and totally fucking ineffective. I'm not so sure. This whole thing with the ballrooms and the weird, the thing with the weird title basin, et cetera. It's just, it's getting like- I don't think people vote based on a ballroom. No, I know they don't, but it's a part of the whole crazy old man thing. One thing that I will say, I was with a bunch of cyber experts and the two things they did point out, and I think correctly, is one, the Russians are preparing to attack during the midterms in Trump's favor, as recent studies have shown they did, obviously. Against both Clinton and Harris. I'm sorry, they're going to attack. You know, online, like a lot of online. Oh, cyber attack, I see. Cyber, it's not so cyber, cyber and information fuck-uppery, essentially. And then the second thing is, I sat next to one guy who's an American who was talking about, who's obsessed with Steve Bannon, and he feels they're going to try to, and Trump has sort of talked about it a little bit, go to 80 districts that matter and put martial law in place or create all manner of ICE, and Proud Boys, et cetera. If you listen to Steve Bannon, he does talk about this. And I think this, a couple of the cyber people were paying a lot of attention to Steve Bannon and what he's doing. And you know, that sack of, that meat sack of rumpled whatever is very effective in many ways, speaking of effective. Although I can't believe he keeps hanging on looking at what he does. Anyway, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, a game-changing feature coming to Apple's AirPods. Support for the show comes from Injun. 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The new AirPods are expected to look similar to AirPod Pro, but with slightly longer stems to fit the camera hardware. This is astonishing, I think. Apple originally wanted to line back. You will, of course, lose 50 pairs of these, Scott. 50? 50. By the way, this has no pods in it because I can't find them. Oh, my gosh. Jesus. I can attest in Scott's New York apartment, there's so many AirPod cases everywhere. And they're like one AirPod in them. Some are never been opened. It's really funny. I love those things. So talk about this because one, there's, they're obviously privacy because a lot of people have been pushing back on the message. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people who have been pushing back on the message. I mean, they're not like, they're popular, but not that popular. So talk a little bit about this because there is a privacy issue here, like people looking out. At the same time, it's inevitable you're going to have these heads-up displays in some way. And this is a version of heads-up display that isn't in your face, which I think is more effective that it's in your ear, of a camera in your ear. I love your thoughts on this because you have big thoughts on visual, like heads-up displays. Well, as much as I hate it, the mixed reality headsets and the Oculus, I love this. And it goes back to a very anthropological thing. What is harder for people to adapt to when they lose their vision or they lose their hearing? Vision, I guess, but it's not seeing. Hearing, okay. All right. As a matter of fact, when your hearing goes, you stop processing words and you become more, this is going to sound strange. Well, it's not strange. People have a much more difficult time maintaining societal contact, relevance, and relationships when their hearing starts to go, as opposed to their vision starting to go. The last sense to go when you die is hearing. When people pass, you're supposed to keep telling them that you love them. Supposedly, that's literally the last sense to go. And I think it's the most underrated of the senses. We have over-invested in visuals and under-invested in hearing. AirPods, if they were a distinct company, just AirPods would be a Fortune 50 company. And what is Apple doing here? They're turning your ears into eyes. And sending the footage, unfortunately, they might be sending the footage to Cupertino, but the AI wearable race is now happening. What's interesting, though, is it's not happening where people thought it was going to happen. It's happening in their ear canal. So, Meta has Ray-Bans. Apple has AirPods. Google probably has some glass thing. I don't know what they're calling it this week. They originally had contact lenses. Remember, a long time, we broke a story about them working on contact lenses with visuals in them, but go ahead. The problem here, or I think it's a great idea, and I'll buy one. The problem is, the hardware at Apple, the hardware is always ready before the software. And they wanted to launch this sooner, but Siri is probably one of the worst tech products of the last 10 years. It is. It really is. And Apple, I mean, think about it. Apple has the world's best supply chain and the world's most embarrassing AI assistant. It is. It's so bad. I hate Siri. I hate Siri. If you think about, I mean, essentially, what does they envision right now with cameras is essentially, because of a very weak AI assistant overlay, it's like a Lamborghini chassis waiting for an engine that works. So, the hardware will be the best looking hardware, the best operating hardware. The problem will be the AI overlay. And I told you what I believe. They have to get it right. I think they're going to shit can Siri and license it to someone else for tens of billions of dollars. Right. Yeah. Why not? Just make it good. Like, I am, constantly Siri call Scott or Siri, you know, text Scott or something. And it never works. It sometimes works. And it should work every single fucking time. But what if it was Gemini? Gemini needs to catch up. What would Gemini pay Tim Cook or the new guy to say, we're your default AI? Look, Siri, just talk to me, even though I didn't want to. Go away, Siri. I think they're in the pole position here. I think the most elegant move to massively throw $10, $20 billion a year to the bottom line would be to have a bake-off and say, one of you is going to be the Intel inside of Apple. That's kind of a big thing to give up, though. But they're not good at it. Just like with maps, they're just not good at it. Well, search. They give it up in search and it worked out well for them. Yeah, exactly. Let me ask you a physical question. So when AirPods, people do not remember this. When AirPods first came out, people made fun of the look of it. You remember. You look like an alien. You look like you're wearing earrings for men. And then everyone just loves them, right? And they fall out of your ear. There was all manner. Now, if they're even longer, with these like stems, it could look odd. But it seems to me the best solution is the in-the-ear AirPod looking like things. Not over the ear, not around the neck, over the head, except when I'm on an airplane, I wear a pair of really good noise-canceling headphones, but that's different. So you think that's okay. And the privacy issues, you don't have an issue with the people. You can see everybody and it's recording, presumably. Well, that is a big issue. I haven't thought that through, right? Because you're not supposed to be taking pictures of people's kids, the surveillance. Government, government if you go into the White House. Yeah, uploading your data, your whereabouts. But no one creates tech hardware that is a better signaling device than Apple. And pulling out your iPhone, I've always said, pulling out your iPhone is like pulling out an Amex Black Card, but for a billion people, not 10 million. It says that you get it. It says you're one of the seven most wealthiest people on the planet. It says you're probably in the creative arts industry. It is incredible signaling. I wear my AirPods. If I'm at a conference and I just need to get somewhere without speaking to people or I'm just feeling exhausted by people, I just put my AirPods on and I act like I'm talking to somebody, like I'm speaking to myself. I know that trick. But let me just say one of the things, I'd like to not look at my iPhone anymore. I use my watch quite a bit, but it's not good enough. AirPods were better. I would not pull my phone out at all. 100%. You know, that's the thing. So I think this is really interesting. Another interesting piece of tech, and we're very tech heavy today. SpaceX chip making project in Texas will have an initial price tag of at least $55 billion and could eventually grow to $119 billion. According to a public hearing notice, the project called TeraFab will create chips to power AI for SpaceX and Tesla. I think this is a smart move by Elon. SpaceX is asking for tax breaks for the project, of course, which will be discussed at a hearing next month. And Texas will definitely give it to them because that's what Texas does. They bend over. Speaking of bending over, SpaceX is, of course, preparing to go public with one of the largest IPO offerings in June. To me, more than the robotics focus, this is really an important, I mean, the way they do energy is sort of rapacious to the people living in the areas they're living in, and it's getting a lot of pushback. But the idea of your own chips, all these companies really have to be in that game, seems like, and it's important. Elon really does know this. I don't think he's as highly technical as he makes himself out to be, but he does understand this is the heart of it. I agree. This is a really smart move. And it's one of the most interesting, and it's also, quite frankly, it's fundraising. It's going to be a big slide in his roadshow for SpaceX IPO. They, you know, they're talking about a $60 to $120 billion chip fabrication plan, TeraFab, and it would be bigger than the, the biggest one in the U.S. right now is a $65 billion plan from TSA. So, the world's most advanced chip maker with 50 years of experience, Elon is trying to out TSMC, TSMC. So, I, it, it creates, he's very good. He and Trump are both obsessed with being in your fucking face every day, and they're very good at it. And so, this is, it may, I'm not, I think it's going to happen. The guy is a big thinker. Yeah, exactly. Like, XAI went nowhere. Sorry. It may or may not. He may not be very good at this. It doesn't matter. It is a great, this guy is a big thinker. He's bold. He's pulled, pulled off some incredibly big- Yeah. This is the right direction. Yeah. Let me say, he did, he did surrender XAI by doing the anthropic deal. It just, everybody's left. He's not going to win here. He could win in this. And I, I, I think he probably might, this is a better focus for him. Speaking of focuses firm, French prosecutors are summoning Elon and X's former CEO, Linda Iaccarino. Oh, Iaccarino, where did you go? She's doing some health company. To face preliminary criminal charges into X, the investigation includes charges of child pornography and sexualized deep fake. It was interesting when I was in Europe, they were like, oh, it's not, he's not going to, it's not going to go anywhere. I don't really care. I'm glad a government is doing it, right? Because ours certainly wouldn't. And they should, they should face an investigation of what was happening there at X doing all this. Who made the decisions about these child pornography and sexualized deep fake creations? I'd like to know, and I'm glad a government is pursuing it. I don't even care if they win. I'm glad they're doing it. That's my feeling. There you go. And more power to them at some point, big tech executives, their flight pattern is going to look like gerrymandered because they're not going to be able to go to the airspace. The world, we, we forgive, we forgive these, these founders during, especially during the Trump administration for the economic growth. Yeah, these sociopaths is the word I would use. Yeah, but we are, we are net gainers from big tech. We just are in the US. That's not to say- They still should pay the price for stuff like this. I agree. That's not to say we shouldn't hold them accountable. It's not to say they shouldn't be so subject to the same rules and regulation as other industries. But if you had a red button to push and do away with all big tech, you wouldn't want to do it. And for all the problems and externalities, there isn't a single nation in the world that's presented with the opportunity wouldn't say, put your headquarters here. The problem is, you know, the big tech, I don't think Italy is a, is a net gainer from big tech. The US is, but I'm not sure other nations are. Yeah, they are. And so a lot of these nations are doing the math and saying, you've got at our media companies, you don't pay that many taxes. You haven't really increased employment a lot. You're just creating tremendous disruption. And sexualized deep fakes. Yeah. And also you now appear to be an existential threat to our kids' emotional and physical wellbeing. We're not down with, you know, the idolatry of innovators for a lot of good reasons and some bad is, has totally kind of infected or overwhelmed the US. The worm has turned a little bit. AI is way down. People are realizing what a, what a, what a net negative impact this has had on our children. And then going much bigger, it's manifesting itself in terms of being ground zero for frustrations around income inequality. But these other nations just aren't that impressed by these guys. They're like, okay, you broke a law. We're going to charge you. Yeah. I, I like the activity. And I think, as you said, long time ago, early in our relationship, someone has to do a perp walk on, on whatever, whether it's chatbots and kids dying or something like that. Someone has to go to jail. They won't, but I like the effort, by these governments that I don't think it's I think someone needs to investigate how they made these decisions about sexualized deep fakes and child pornography on that's on whatever service that doesn't and what they did to stop it or not stop it. I think it's important for public to know. There was a guy, I think it was a McKinsey partner on the board of Goldman, and he took insider information and traded on it. He went to jail. Think about what's happening in the Trump administration around oil prices. Think about what's happening in tech in terms of teen self-cutting and depression among teen and being weaponized. You said you expect the Russians to cyber attack us. They've been cyber attacking us. They use these poorest platforms that are totally focused on shareholder value. They create lists of people who are pro-Ukraine or, or people who are polarizing and they infect their comments and the people's perception of them. They diminish their credibility and they create fights everywhere to try and atomize this. We've been, we're attacked every day. And the ultimate Trojan horse is big tech who charges them a small fee to go sit inside the Trojan horse and start attacking America from within. That's correct. And, and by the way, they'll shift in a dime. I don't know if you noticed, suddenly David Sachs is like, "Anthropic's going to be really successful after needlessly attacking." I heard all of a sudden he likes Anthropic. Oh God, he's such a, let me just tell you, we were right about that one. Like immediately when it's back, when they're back, he took, because he's losing the fight over unfettered AI and they're just better. That's all. Anyway, he was lying the first time about when they attacked him. And for a government official to do that to an American company without any proof is really grotesque. I don't mind if there's proof, but in that case it was because he wanted to feather his own nest. Anyway, let's go on a quick break and when we come back, we'll check in on the Trump phone. Speaking of, dare I say it, fraud. Shop the stylish choices and simple pricing of carpet from Home Decorators Collection, Traffic Master, or LifeProof with PetProof technology and see for yourself why nobody beats our prices. Exclusions apply. 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It's been almost a year since the Trump phone was announced, and there is still no sign the device is anywhere close to shipping, but that hasn't stopped Trump mobile website from continuing to accept $100 deposit for the phone. The fine print notes, a pre-order deposit provides only a conditional opportunity if the Trump mobile later elects to offer the device for sale. And while the phone was initially touted as being made in America, the site now describes as being shaped by American innovation. It looks like these aren't coming and that people have lost their money, which we said would happen. This is exactly, you know, I'm not sure where the phone ranks among various Trump grifts. Another Trump venture where things weren't looking so great, Trump media just posted a net loss of $406 million, and I think they made under a million dollars in revenue, driven largely by unrealized losses in crypto holdings. And while they're doing all this grift, the Pentagon has released a batch of, quote, never before seen UFO files on a dedicated government website. The files include details from over 400 reporters, reports from the 40s and recent years, including several Apollo missions. President Trump touted the administration transparency and true social posts, saying now the people can decide for themselves what the hell is going on. We cannot decide. There are just no more lights. Hey, I can get more out of just like a book I buy at the airport about these things. So it's just a lot of, you know, hand-waving all over the place and grift. I mean, the Trump phone, which Scott and I both said was never going to happen, is not going to happen, people. And that's 60 million bucks or something like that. I think that's how much they collected. It's grift. First off, this wasn't a down payment on a product. It was a donation. I don't think anyone's going to care. I think the likelihood that he was ever going to have a competent phone probably didn't escape these folks. As it relates to aliens, I'm convinced that aliens have been monitoring us, including all of our media. And if we're really honest, about two-thirds of our media is porn. So I think this explains that the aliens aren't using anal probes for information. They're just trying to speak our language. Can you ask me a question? Do you believe in aliens? I'm just curious. When you think about UFOs and you see these pictures, and let me tell you, everybody, I looked at some of these pictures. They look like the pictures you always see. Bright lights, things moving across the sky, unexplainable phenomena, often lights, you know, or lights moving in a pattern or something like that, which could be explained lots of different ways. Do you actually believe in aliens, sir? This is going to sound like I'm on edibles, but I'm not. But I believe in everything. What do I mean by that? If you believe, well, there's some logic here, I think. Like Loch Ness Monster? Sasquatch? Most astrophysicists believe, it appears, the infinite space theory that space never ends, all right? So if space never ends and it's regenerating and the space-time continuum curves and space never ends, that means everything exists. That means everything that's happened has happened before, because if space never ends, that means the infinite possibilities of everything exist and everything that you can imagine is out there. Oh, God, I need an edible at this point. Okay. That means we exist all the time, forever? You and I? No, it means that if there's an infinite number of universes, at some point, there's a universe very similar to ours with similar lifespans, similar earth and gas and organisms and similar caras and scots. And if you don't believe, if it's not exactly like it, just keep going through infinity and eventually you'll get to it. Oh, wow. This is like the plot of Interstellar. Interstellar or something like that. Well, if space is infinite, and I'd like to hear an argument for how it couldn't be, then, of course, there's a galaxy and another alien intelligence that can send probes here. Having said that, I don't think they'd be that interested with us. So I don't. Yeah, we're so boring. Do I believe they exist? Yes. Do I believe the ones we have seen are actual alien intelligence or life? I don't think so. Maybe they're flashes from another universe. Maybe that's what we're seeing, lights that maybe they, you know, like in all the sci-fi, or the Marvel movies, all the different universes, suddenly the sky gets ripped open and one of the universes comes in to this one. You have to close the. It's always having to close a fucking portal in those movies, which I never understand. But I vaguely do. I think we should ask aliens to hunt down all the people on Jeffrey Epstein's island. I think we could call it Alien vs. Predators. They show that. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I would like the aliens to arrive just about now. That's what I would like them to do. You ready for it? I would like them to come. I would like them to come now. It's time. It's time. It's time. Either Jesus or them. I don't care. Jesus needs to come back or they do. I don't. Either one. I'm good with anybody showing up and, like, getting our. That's the distraction we need. And I would like. But that's what this says, Kara. Yeah, of distraction, of course. This was meant to be a distraction. Of course. Absolutely. Anyway, well, we wish you will come, aliens. All I got to say is if females invade the Earth and kidnap men with large cocks, you're in no danger. And I'm just. I'm just writing this to say goodbye. Oh, can I have your stuff? Can I. I'd like your stuff. Can I have your stuff? You have my stuff. I know, it's true. I show up to my house in New York and I'll be, like, down two cashmere sweaters. I know you've been stealing my sweaters. Yeah, that's true. I have your stuff. They're in Brooklyn right now. Anyway, you can stay in Brooklyn anytime. You'll never come to Brooklyn, which is fantastic. Never. I've been there twice. Both times to go to the new Soho house over there. That's it. Alex and I will be in Brooklyn. That's where we're going. If you're not on the island called Manhattan, there's. There's no reason to ever visit the Northeast. Well, Legs and I will be in Manhattan on Tuesday. The Northeast is so overrated except for a seven-by-two-mile island. That's it. Yeah, let me just say. The rest sucks. Legs is going to be in Brooklyn with me and he's going to eat, you know, tonight. By the way, let me just say, it's Amanda's birthday today. And happy birthday, Amanda. We're going out for oysters tonight in D.C. And I'm literally going to have to take out a small loan because Alex is coming. Like, at least. Last time we took him for sushi, it was like $400. Anyway. One more quick break and we get back wins and fails. Exclusions apply. 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Side effects include increased privacy and better sleep. Talk to your partner today and see if Blinds.com is right for you. Visit Blinds.com to order your free samples. Okay, Scott, wins and fails. I feel like I should go first. You go first. Speaking of conspiracy theories, this is one that I find very troubling. And look, listen, I even kind of believe it. One in four Americans think the April shooting at the White House Correspondents' Center was staged, according to a new survey. Roughly one in three Democrat respondents said they believe the event was staged. Compared to one in eight Republicans. The same thing with the other, a lot of, like, Marjorie Jelle Green, all these people. think the shooting in Butler was staged. I just feel the falling off of assuming, and this does go back to Kennedy assassination and before. There's always been a conspiracy theory minded populace we have, but it's just a little, it's slightly depressing because like, remember when you said, I thought Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Just like nobody believes anything. And I find it really depressing that our shared, like I get conspiracy theories and I see why you might think this. And I hate myself for even saying, oh, maybe it was right without any proof. And I find that feeling in me really gross. I have to say the conspiracy theory minded, but you become more that way as you live in this world where AI and social media and everything else just sort of spins your brain in a way that's really gross. And speaking of clarity, I have to say, one thing is, first of all, Matt Damon on Saturday Night Live was superb and he looks like he's great in the Odyssey. He was superb. That was a superb show. SNL is really bringing it. He's a really solid actor. Anyway, but I have to give, talking about clarity, Chelsea Handler at the Kevin Hart roast was fucking super. So was Tom Brady, by the way. But let me say, Chelsea Handler handed it back to the MAGA sort of adjacent comedian bros. You love that. I thought of you when I saw that. Let's listen to her call out the comedians who went to the Saudi comedy festival. Now that your favorite leader is making the draft mandatory, I assume that all of you will be signing up to go fight in Iran. Or do you tough talking pussies only go to the Middle East for comedy festivals? She had so many lines. That was a nicer one. And then she had some choice words for Tony Hinchcliffe. And she said, Tony, Tony is what happens when women don't have safe access to abortion care, which I thought was funny. And then also, like, who's who's who's warming Joe Rogan's balls in their mouth now that you're here tonight? He looked sick the way she attacked him. And it was so good. She did such a good job. I have to say, Chelsea, I love you. Marry me. I say so good. She was fantastic. And they just he was so uncomfortable. Like they can't take a joke. These people, they can dish it out, but they can't take it. And Chelsea put them down to put them down. And I love love to see it. Anyway, your thoughts? I agree with you on that. So my wins and fails. My win is Mayor Mamdani's pied-à-terre tax. I'm not even gonna get into whether the city of New York should be cutting costs or spends too much money. I don't have enough domain expertise. I'm a resident of Florida. But the percentage of federal employees as a percentage of the population has steadily gone down. I've never bought that there's just waste, fraud and abuse everywhere. And if we're going to get our fiscal house in order, do we need to cut spending and raise taxes? The answer is yes. So I'm just gonna talk about the raising taxes side of it. If you're going to raise taxes, it feels to me that there's a very legitimate argument that the people who have done the best over the last 30 or 40 years are the very wealthy and specifically owners. And it's pretty basic. Productivity has gone up 45 degrees. Wages have gone flat. The delta between those two lines is trillions of dollars in value creation. And almost all of it has gone to the top one, if not the top 0.1%. So it seems to me that just basic math is it makes sense for the wealthiest among us to pay a disproportionate amount of incremental taxes needed to operate this great experiment called the U.S. to pay for our Navy to pay for food stamps. And the problem is, okay, so what do you do in New York if you need to raise revenues? Do you increase corporate taxes? The problem with that is, and Jamie Dimon pointed this out, JP Morgan has gone from 30,000 to 20,000 employees in New York in the last 10 years because it's a very expensive place to do business. It is. No question. Meanwhile, in Texas, it's gone from 10,000 employees to 30,000. So at some point, you get diminishing returns. And a lot of the people that work at corporations are middle-class people who commute in from the different boroughs. So you got to be very careful about raising costs on business because New York is getting to the point where a lot of businesses are contemplating leaving or at least doing the bulk of their hiring somewhere else. Then you think, well, we could just go after all rich people. The problem is, there are a lot of people in New York making a half a million, 600, 800 grand a year as a couple, and they can't. I was that couple, and I had to leave because it's just so goddamn expensive there, and you're already paying 13% to 14% incremental taxes. So I like the idea, and let's bring this back to me. In 2017, when I sold my company, I made the mistake of giving NYU, I think, 2% of the company. So the dean called me and said, can you come up here? And when the dean calls you and says, come up here, it's either very expensive or very expensive. And I said, well, I'm not going to come up here. And he said, we just got a check for X. And he said, first off, thank you. And he said, if my math is correct, that means you sold your company for Y. And I said, yes. And he's like, I need you to move out of faculty housing right away. That's right. You lost that house. And he said- You liked that house, didn't you? I loved it there. It was all a bunch of 110-year-old widows from some 10-year history professor that died 40 years ago. No one makes eye contact. No one talks to each other. I loved it, Washington Square Village. It was amazing. No one even looks me in the eye. Occasionally, there'd be a little mimeograph paper saying, join us in the third floor to celebrate Lois Frankel's life. Occasionally, there was a notice about someone who died. That's it. I absolutely love it. Anyways, he said, he was really funny too. Peter Henry, one of my role models and the best boss I've ever had, he said, you're in strategy. He's like, ask me this. What do you think the objective is of faculty housing? And I'm like, to provide housing for young faculty who could otherwise not live here. And he's like, bingo, I need you to move out next week. Not the week after that. Anyways, I bought a place, which Kara Swisher is very fond of. It's been one of my second homes. And I spend about, I don't know, about 60 days a year there, maybe 90, I don't know. And here's the bottom line. This tax, I figured it out, I did the math. If it goes through unfettered or- I'm the one that told you about this, by the way, but go ahead. You told me about it, so I began looking into it. It's unlikely to, it'll be watered down. But if it goes through as Mom Donnie has proposed it, it would be an incremental $100,000 a year tax on me, personally. I'm not fond of that. It's a form of a wealth tax, because all that really does is take, say, a condo worth 10 million and make it worth eight and a half or 9 million, because it's an extra $100,000 a year. But here's the bottom line, and the reason why I think it's a win. One, our municipalities need to get their fiscal house in order. Two, it's clear that if there's going to be incremental taxes, it should be on the wealthiest among us. And three, a second, a tax on second homes, which is also being proposed, by the way, in San Francisco and Montana, is a very elegant way of going after those of us who, quite frankly, have the money. Right. It's under, it's over $10 million, the house is, correct? Over five. Over five, okay. As it stands now. In addition, it also kind of, you get a twofer here, and that is, if people decide to sell, it does free up housing stock. So, nobody likes a tax. I get it. And the wealthy are going to come out of their skin. I get it. I get it, I get it. I actually think as far as taxes goes, which nobody likes, see above the meaning of the word tax, I think this is an elegant, thoughtful, less bad tax. My little lesbian communist from San Francisco finally. Go ahead. And in as long as I can roll out of my apartment and I have the money, which I do, and go to Jack's wife, Rita, and sit there and order a latte and watch the freak show of commerce, sex, capitalism, art, fashion, walk by me, it is worth 100 grand a year to me. And it's still worth that to a shit ton of people, because if you have a second home in Manhattan, my brothers and sisters, you are doing just fine. Yeah, pied-a-terre, you are a kid. So, the pied-a-terre tax and the second home tax being proposed across municipalities that need to raise revenue, it is an elegant, thoughtful tax. Great idea. I agree. This is what you're not going to like. My fail, is Mayor Mamdani and his class warfare against the rich and doxing Ken Griffin. Okay. That was totally, totally out of line. You're right. I would agree with you. Totally out of line. And here's the problem with Democrats. We want to redistribute virtue, not income. Propose a tax on the wealthiest. I get it. Get on with it. Stop complaining about billionaires. Do your fucking job and raise taxes on the wealthy. But instead, do not go to their homes. They're going to lose their homes. I agree with that part. And dox them. And this is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. Ken Griffin, who had a $6.5 billion project underway in Manhattan, supposedly has given a quarter of a billion dollars to New York-based charities. You know what he's going to say? Fuck you. And he's absolutely going to take capital he was investing in Manhattan and move it to Florida and Texas. And here is the problem with Democrats. We'd much rather signal virtue than do our fucking jobs. And that is, it is one thing to be right, but it doesn't matter if you're ineffective. And the Democrats are going to lose if they continue to try and with this undercurrent of young men are the problem, don't have problems. Most white people are racist and all billionaires are evil. Well, guess what? You're going to lose the young male, the wealthy, and quite frankly, the white vote if you keep this class warfare demonization of success up. One of the most wonderful things about America and the reason why we have consistently a track to the best and brightest around the world is we celebrate success. Now, do we need to redistribute income to the middle class, abso-fucking-lutely. But notice how they never talk about Oprah or Beyonce. This is identity politics at its worst. It's demonizing success, and you are going to end up with lower treasury receipts, but great, you're going to virtue signal. All right, let me ask you, what is the thing? Because I think the most effective messaging around this area, and I often am pleased to say, are billionaires awful? I'm like, not all of them. No, of course not. I think the most effective way is to say, everyone needs to pay their fair share. That, I think, is a very effective thing. And you're saying the same thing. And remember, I think Gore tried to sort of demonize rich people, of course, which is ironic since he is one. But one of the things that I think is effective is everybody should pay their fair share. Everybody shouldn't get breaks. Everyone shouldn't get to meet with the president if I don't, right? Everyone shouldn't be in a meeting where they get stuff. Great. I think that's the most effective way to say it. I think the get-well-they're-gettings-good stuff of them standing there and pulling in, like, Scrooge McDuck all the money is a very good message. Like, why do they get the best bits and you don't? I think that is not demonizing them. It's saying, fair share. This is how much they pay. This is how much you pay. This is how much corporate tax has gone down. This is how much your taxes have gone up. I think that is fully a great way to do it. And I agree that I didn't love the thing of using Ken Griffin. I think you could have done that. And I think that is fully a great way to do it. And I think that is fully a great way to do it.