Middle East Alliance Signals New THREAT of NUCLEAR WAR

Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan have all got together to come up with the Mecca agreement. It's essentially based on the framework of NATO, so it's a joint defense pack that says that if any of the three nations are attacked, that they're all going to treat it as if they were attacked. Now, there haven't been a lot of specifics laid out there. It's intentionally ambiguous, but we're going to get into how that's going to affect NATO considering Turkey is a NATO country, how that's going to affect the United States because the U.S. and Iran are going at it now, and Iran has been shooting missiles into Saudi Arabia. All of that kind of stuff. It has big implications for the United States, so we're going to talk about that. There was a big stall in the job market in July, and it's most likely because of school stuff, right? So, summertime, everyone's at a school. 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What's your favorite Ammo? All of them. And then what caused the Purple Heart? It was a 107 millimeter rocket that landed about three feet away from me. Bro, yeah. Good to see you, man. Yeah, I'm glad to be alive from here. The Purple Heart also known as the enemy marksmanship back. Absolutely. All right. So we're going to jump right into it. We're going to jump right into it. The Purple Heart Day is what you're saying. Oh, yeah, shout out to Carter Banks. Oh, dude. Thank you for your service by the way. Yeah. I'm straight out of here. Holy s**t. That was a bit intense. All right. Saudi Arabia, from Reuters, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Pledge Mutual Defense as Middle East turmoil escalates. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey signed a joint defense agreement on Mecca in Mecca on Friday, wetting sunny Muslim U.S. allies alarmed at a regional confugation that has brought Iranian missiles fire into Gulf oil exporters. Iran and its allies have been firing on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states and blockading their energy shipments since the U.S. and Israel attacked them on February 28th in a major escalation after years of regional tumult. The Mecca joint defense agreement is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against any act of aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all, they said, an adjoint statement. However, the statement did not give specifics on the commitments each had and accept that it was not clear how far the agreement would bind them to any particular military action in each other's defense. Turkish Vice President Sevel Yamalaz said the agreement was not aimed at any specific country. A Turkish official added that it was purely defensive and did not abrogate any existing agreements that countries had with other states, referring to NATO. The three nation's share concerns about the increasingly aggressive military stance of both Israel and the revolutionary she had Iran as their longtime U.S. ally struggles to contain regional upheaval that has caused a global energy crisis. Now like I said earlier, this is going to bring up a lot of questions and a lot of issues. First of all, Pakistan is a nuclear armed country, right, Pakistan and they have nuclear weapons because India has nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan have just in the past, I think, 18 months or something like that, had some fighting going on, there were a couple dog fights, I guess, fighters that got into it with each other, they were shooting missiles at each other. Obviously, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia has been on the receiving end of missiles and drone strikes from Iran and then Turkey is a NATO ally. What does this mean for NATO in the United States? I can completely envision Iran sending more drones into Saudi infrastructure, right, their oil production facilities because they're looking to cause problems because of the U.S. and Israel striking Iran. Does that mean that Turkey is going to be involved with strikes on Iran? If Iran strikes Turkey, does that mean that all of NATO is then going to be dragged into a war against Iran? What does that mean for Pakistan if there are more, if there are more escalations to the conflict between India because the U.S. has fairly, has got fairly good relations with India, does that mean that Saudi Arabia and Turkey have to get into conflict with India? This really just makes a big mess that has a lot of implications for the United States. Yeah, I mean, on its face, it looks like it's like, okay, they just made a pact with the big deal. But having, like, what is Clause 5 in NATO, which is an attack on one is attack on all joint defense, it's not good. It's not. I've always said that's a problem with NATO because that's a lot of countries first of all. There's 20-something members of NATO. 31. 31? 32? 32? It keeps growing. But now that Turkey's involved in two of them of wildly different regions, because obviously the United States and NATO, that was a direct reaction to the Warsaw Pact, but that era is coming on. Now we're seeing this with a new conflict, and again, we are allies with India. That's a big problem for our relationship with India and our relationship with any allies of India as well. So having a mutual defense pact like that can be devastating, so people see this. So I guess in the Middle East, who cares? It has a direct impact on us because if India attacks Turkey for being out on the Pakistan, we get pulled into that, and so does most of Europe at that point, because of Clause 5, which is part of the NATO, whatever the charter, I guess, is what it's called, the NATO charter. We have a- The U.S. is in multiple defensive pacts for the record. I think it's in five different ones. There's one with Japan, specifically, one with South Korea, specifically, one with the Philippines, specifically. These are all like World War II hold over defensive pacts, one with New Zealand and Australia called the Anzac Treaty, and then one called the Rio Treaty, which is- Brazil? Yeah, in America is better. So the thing about defensive pacts, World War I got started because of a series of defensive pacts that triggered. So like Turkey, Saudi Arabian, Pakistan are in a defensive pack now. America is in a defensive pack with Turkey, NATO. So if Pakistan gets attacked by random country, and then Turkey responds by attacking random country, and then random country attacks Turkey in response to the response, the Americans then are bound to attack random country now because their ally as Turkey was attacked. So what triggered World War I, you know, Austria-Hungary attacked, like somehow you find the British declaring war on the Austrians because they attacked, you know, the French who had been attacked by the Germans and were responding. So that alone is concerning, but the other aspect of it is like it's a temperature check on where the minds of the Turks are because the Turks are the bridge between the Russians and the Mediterranean now that they control Crimea. And if this is a much better news than if the Turks were to have signed a defensive pack with the Russians, for instance. So at least it's like- I mean, I see that they want to buffer and protect themselves against the Israeli aggression and against the Iranian aggression right now. They want to kind of, you know, the Israelis, I think, have their eyes set on controlling the Middle East pretty seriously. And it's like, you know, I applaud the independence of these people, like they're not bowing waiting for the Americas to take over and protect them. at least there. They're kind of I mean sure, but they're protected by the United States anyways They know by turkey being in that agreement the US is indirectly and directly involved This is the problem with multi-polar systems like too many powers. Yeah, it's worth it's worth noting that Turkey has been kind of trying to play both sides For a while, right? So turkey bought a S 400 missiles from Moscow, right? That in my opinion shouldn't be like the NATO Alliance shouldn't allow. No, yeah, they shouldn't you know turkey from Purchase, but you know he's been he you know Irrigan has been trying to strengthen Turkey's position by playing both sides and Well, I don't think that that that there's a significant chance of Russia getting involved in Basically any kind of conflict right now. They're so bogged down in Ukraine and they've had they've they've shown that they're Their army is not prepared for a like a serious conflict with NATO Right the the thing that that Russia has is nuclear weapons how well they work or how how capable they are I don't know, but if there's one thing that that has been shown over the past four years is that big Russia can't even beat Little Russia never mind all of NATO, right? So I think the real implications are things like India and Pakistan mostly Iran and Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent Turkey and anyone else, but the the problem is If Turkey decides that they're going to attack someone and in this case It's it would most likely be Iran and Iran strikes back does that bring in Europe because Europe has been really hesitant about getting involved in Iran Right, you know, they would the US has been saying look we want you to do this we want you to do that Frank France has said they're going to do stuff That's never materialized the British are like hell. No, we're not going to involve So what does that mean a Germany obviously has no interest in getting involved in Iran, but on attack on Turkey could Either trigger article five or it could actually start it could mean the the dissolution of the whole NATO packed I'm thinking well because there weren't specifics given between the coalition I think this might be like a Kind of like hey back off Iran like we have these three countries that are about surround you They're right and maybe hey stop droning Saudi Arabia You know, we have two other countries to have our back, but this could deteriorate really fast of things go south You know that could be around or India it could be either one because India can mess with Pakistan Which really wasn't the reason for this pack being made but now that they've done that and then Turkey gets involved And then the US has to get involved if they attack Turkey. It's a huge mess And so I get what you were saying you know about having these packs can be a good thing It's like independence of the people, but at the same time there's so many of them at this point I mean it doesn't the existence of the pack indicate that it's not independence there after right you if you make these kind of packs You know that's for a ability to make them I guess kind of to Ian's point He was saying it can be a good thing for these countries to do it without the US having to back them But then the problem is when you have Turkey involved Turkey is the the problem here is Turkey is the one thing that could actually screw this all up and create world war three basically well really scary It's in such a unique position being a part of NATO now part of this other What is it called the Mecca agreement and being Constantinople? You know, Istanbul is the the the waterway between the Russians and the Europe so like they're they have like a try a triple Redifferent in things they're trying to to balance all at once The thing about defensive packs though is realistically if the Iranians drone bomb Saudi Arabian American military bases and then Turkey felt like they had to respond and attack Iran and then Iran was like all right then we're attacking Turkey That shouldn't trigger NATO because the Turks aggressed on Iran We it's kind of we wash our hands of any response to your aggression towards the Iranians We don't have to defend you if you attack someone in their attack and you back you're not supposed to have to I mean as far as I know maybe the treaty says otherwise, but usually that that absolves you of your of your duties if if your partner your defensive partner were to address as NATO responded to this this just happened today I think let's see. I'd be curious to see what that was just updated on August 7th So I haven't I don't think there has been a response and I wouldn't expect one any kind of statement until at least Monday, but yeah, I mean look the whether or not Turkey Can what whether or not an attack on Turkey once Turkey was to become a belligerent Whether or not that attack would trigger NATO it would put pressure on NATO and the question is can can NATO you know can NATO survive that for the most part NATO is you know Obviously the US is the is the the big dog in NATO right after the US. I think Germany has the biggest army now And and and so I know the Germans aren't interested in getting involved at all Germany has their own problems You know dealing with with their immigration and and trying to stamp out the AFD and stuff right So I don't think that the that Germany's looking for this, but it in my estimation the the biggest issue that this would would cause would be you know Does NATO survive this or is this the catalyst that actually starts tearing NATO apart? I got a fact check on troop size US is the number one in NATO number two is Turkey US is 1.3 million active middle personnel 1.3 million Turkey has 400,000 roughly France number three with 200,000 and then Germany's fourth just under 200,000 and Poland also 200,000 And I'm very much of the we don't even need NATO anymore Side of things like it's just to me. It's pretty useless The US doesn't need it. It needs the US and so if the US were to pull out of this I know Trump had mentioned at some point possibly doing that. I was like, yes, like please do it and end up not doing it. I was super bummed But any kind of organization like this everyone knows is like my least favorite thing ever. So I Wouldn't I don't want NATO to crumble because there's some attack on Turkey and then like I wanted to not be for that reason But I'm also not opposed to NATO falling apart It's been how many years since the Cold War and we still have NATO which we we don't need it I think one of the one of the other things that that that NATO has has been at least Part of is to try to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons, right without NATO and without you know The you like you would mention before the show there are nuclear there are US nuclear missiles In Turkey and that was you know to deter and that wouldn't be possible if we didn't have NATO, right? Well, I mean you could do individual ones, but the the whole point of NATO was you know At first it was to deter the the Soviets and the Warsaw pack, but Having um without the Warsaw pack you still have to worry about Russia. Yeah, Russia's not an ally. They're not a friend to the west They have their own you know their own desires and and obviously you know reuniting Ukraine with Russia is probably is number one But there are other Countries that used to be part of the Warsaw pack that the Soviets would like to see or the Russians would like to see Back under Soviet influence and those countries a lot of those countries have become NATO members um, so For Russia the dissolution of NATO would be the best thing that that they could Imagine the treaties that exist. There's the treaty of non-proliferation on nuclear weapons Which is a UN backed treaty that's been active since I think 1970 or something And that is they check or they have the IAEA, which is the international atomic energy agency and they can check for Building up stockpiles and stuff like that. There are other ways to do it. There are other ways to do it, but the The fact that NATO that NATO exists in NATO countries know that article five will be triggered. Yeah, that's the that's what they consider the The the real reassurance you can have and you can have an agreement to not develop nuclear weapons um, but that that isn't That doesn't give you a reason not to right you that doesn't give you the protection That NATO does you can say oh, we don't want to develop nuclear weapons or we agree not to But it's just a piece of paper at the very least if if you're in NATO You can say look if you attack us you're attacking all of NATO and that will activate the United States Yeah, I so again that that's important having those things as important but at the same time It's just I think because the US has gotten involved in so many Middle Eastern conflicts I'm like fatigued and I'm like could just not just like not do that like that's great We could just maybe not but I understand why for Europe specifically It's very important for their security, but coming from a US perspective. It needs us NATO needs us. Yeah, yeah, but they need us. We don't know. No. No. No. I mean the US does the heavy lifting for NATO for sure It probably I don't think that the Chinese whatever invade Alaska, Canada, United States, mainland. I don't think they would even if we weren't NATO But it does offer severe protection against that too because it would open up a western front for the Chinese Or a southwestern front if they were to tangle if any country were to tangle they'd have all of Europe attack them You know China China doesn't border like European countries Not directly, but and you've got and so we honest with you you've got like the Himalayas are the best defense against and basically anything Yeah, they've got a lot of western buffers, but having a western Having a western regret like pressure would be very bad for them And the Russians aren't necessarily like in a hurry to ally militarily with the Chinese Uh, so it's not that NATO has, does no benefit is what I'm saying. There's a lot of reasons why I just think it would harm us more than it hurt us if we were to get involved in the conflict. Oh, if some cheap European country got attacked by Russia and the US had to declare war in Russia would be the end of the world. Like we can't. What do you, what do you mean the, what cheap European groups are some bullshit like I don't think I don't think that Belarus is part of NATO? Is it not yet? I don't think so. Belgium is not Belarus. Poland. I like the polls. I liked Einstein. Yeah. You liked Einstein. If Lichtenstein got their ass licked by the Russians, they'd be, uh, we'd have no choice but to intervene. I think they have like 15 people in the military. Do they? That might be high. That's kind of good. Probably. Yeah. Check me on that one. No, there, I mean, there's a ton of them. So we're talking Luxembourg is on there as well. Well, yeah, but I mean Luxembourg is like right in the middle of Europe, a lot of these countries that are small countries, they're in the middle of Europe, they're not going to be attacked. They're kind of, they're kind of a part of it, you know, whether they like it or not, right? Like, what if they catch a straight North Macedonia, like, are you kidding me? We could, they could just stray and now we're at war with Russia. So it's lags too, you know, yeah, hey, that Russian drone, I promise it was Russian and now we're using that as a cast spell. That's true. So Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are Baltic states that used to be, um, they used to be part of the Soviet Union, like those are the three. And then, um, and those all share a border with Russia. So, and I think that, you know, I don't know for sure that Vladimir Putin intends to or would like to retake them, but I, I imagine, because he said one of the greatest things, it's one of the worst things ever happened to the world, one of the great, great tragedies, I think is the way that he articulated it was the dissolution of the Soviet Union, right? Like, there's a lot of people, because he's a, he was a KGB guy, he was a true believer in, uh, in the Soviet Union and the dissolution of it was, you know, it was a big deal. So I want to hear that quote. Do you know what the, what the context of that quote was? Or, yeah, the, he said that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest tragedies. Was it, was he saying the way it was dissolved or just that it was just, no, he was very pro-Soviet Union. The way it was dissolved was a little tragic in that it was a bunch of oligarchs that just chose to. No, that's, that's the, that's not the way it was dissolved. Like the, the way it was dissolved is, is, that, or that's the, the, um, that's what happened after it was dissolved, the oligarch stuff, right? All the people that had a formation of the Ukraine. Yeah. We're, we're, Kevin Yeltsin became a little too friendly with the U.S. or to kind of phase out of all of the, like, Stalinism and then that's how it ultimately fell apart. It was economic collapse at the end of the day, because socialism doesn't work a figure. But that was at the end of the day, getting a little too buddy buddy with the West, getting too western, getting away from those ideals is how it fell apart. Yeah. So, kind of unceremonious. It's just kind of stopped. Putin's perspective on the dissolution of the Soviet Union kind of gives you a perspective on what he would want. If NATO were to collapse, he would 100% rather reclaim those lands. Whether, whether he can or not, I don't, whether he has the, I mean, I don't know if he has the time because, like I said, like the Soviet military, the, or the, I'm sorry, the, the Russian military is not, like, it's just not the monster that we thought it was. You know, the US and, and NATO support of Ukraine has basically created a stalemate. And both sides are basically conscripting people to throw them into the meagreinder. And Russia just doesn't have the conventional forces to, to take back Ukraine, obviously. I don't think they could take the, the, the other three. I don't think they could take Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania at all because with the, like, there would be their NATO countries. So even if the US or if NATO dissolved, they would, they would still seek, seek out help from other European nations. And other European nations have a significant, significant incentive to help prevent Russia from, you know, starting to gobble up other countries. I got this, the, the reference for the quote that you're talking about from Putin in 2005. He said the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century, indicating because 25 million ethnic Russians or Russians speaking people suddenly found themselves living outside of Russian borders. And so they were sort of something, something what happened with like the Germans after World War I, they split off the East and turned it into Poland. And so all the ethnic Germans started getting executed and just treated like second-class citizens could have been happening with the Russians. And then later in that same speech, Putin said anyone that wants to restore the Soviet Union has no brains because that old system did not work, but he wanted to re-empower Russia itself. So I don't think he's a Soviet. I don't think he wants communism, but I do, I understand that he saw some, some horror take place. He's saying that those, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, are Russian. Yeah. So he's saying that, like, even if he's saying I don't want to go back to that exact system, he still wants to restore it to the size it was. He doesn't want to bring back the Politburo and stuff. He wants to be the dictator of the country, and that's what he is in Russia. You know, he was, in 2005, I think he stepped down, or I'm not sure when exactly, but in the odds, he stepped down as president and Medvedev became the president for a little while. It was like his number two guy, so Medvedev became the president and then Medvedev stepped down and Putin went back into office as the president, and he's been the president ever since. So essentially he's, you know, he's a dictator, they have elections, I think, but, you know, he always wins, and he's been there for the past, but 26 years at least or so. I think he's been named Russia sexiest man every year, right? Good for him. Really? He's a sexiest man. Time doesn't touch him. Um, but yeah, the point is like he would be the dictator of those countries. He, maybe he wouldn't want it to be like the Soviet Union, but the reason he wouldn't want it to be like the Soviet Union is because he wants to have total control, not have the, the, you know, the Politburo have the, uh, the Soviet Union fell. So I'm a, I'm a steel man putting a little bit here and you guys can check it out. Well, for context, I can give you his positions so you can see him. So he has held multiple positions, um, he was prime minister from 2000 to 2008 before that, was he president before that? I don't know if he was. Yes, he was in office just before that and then became prime minister, which is basically the same thing in these countries, like same difference. And then went back to being president after being prime minister, the president prime minister president again, and he has literally held office since I was one year old. Yeah. When 1999 because he's not allowed to serve multiple consecutive terms as president. I think that's why they did that. They did. Well, first he wasn't, but now, you know, since 2008, it was almost 20 years, he's been the president. So my philosophy of steel man and what he's doing is he thinks that if he were to leave office that some bureaucrat liberal economic goon would come in and sell the country out to the machine state. And then that would be the, we'd all become technocratic spy tech everywhere. Are you saying that because you think that or are you saying that because you've read some stuff? I know. I just, I get a feeling it feels like like he doesn't want to let go because he thinks it's going to get worse if he let's go. It's not like he's trying to like be the leader all the time everywhere, but he's like, I don't see a better option yet. If you think show me one, I'll step down. I think he's, I don't think that that's an option. I don't think that I don't think if you showed him a better option, he would consider it a better option. I think he would probably want to. He's so calcified or he can survive at this point that he's like nothing. He's looking for it. He's been looking for for so long. He just, I don't think he's looking for a way out. He's looking for a way out. No, he has to. I don't think that he's looking for it. Probably wouldn't feel safe if he left off. Yeah. Well, he made it so that he didn't have to leave until pretty much he's dead. So they had limits on their presidency. Their presidency's are six year terms. And he finished his two terms, but then in 2020, a law reset his two terms. So he can serve two more six year terms, another 12 years. And by the way, they do their elections. That's not until 2036. How old is Putin? Let's see. He's like pushing 70, I think. Right. So by the time that 2036 comes around, like he's going to die in office. Yeah. Absolutely. Not not in like a someone's going to hurt him. He's 73. Yeah. I think you'll live pretty old. He's actually, he's actually, he's talked him and Xi Jinping were heard on a hot mic talking about living to 120. I've been 50. Well, they'll reset it again. Oh, yeah. In 2036. Yeah. And then he'll have 12 more years. He's in no hurry to go anywhere at all. That's for sure. All I'm saying, if there's a better option in Russia, that person will wind up in a heavily tinted vehicle and whisked away. I think what happened to the leader of the Wagner group, like they, he tried to, you know, there was, there was a coup, he against Putin, and then Putin was like, I know, I'll forgive and then just a couple of couple of months later, his helicopter got shot down with the Sam. Right. So what a crazy coincidence. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy coincidences. What was the guy whose car they shot him outside his car in a bridge? I don't know people. They're crazy coincidences. People that go after Putin or speak out too strongly against Putin end up dead. You know, yeah, it was a Polonium sandwiches or they fall out of buildings. Or what happened? You shouldn't fall. But the building thing. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it. There have been multiple people that have died under suspicious circumstances for criticizing Putin. Just got strong. Like, just on the cousin or whatever. That's just something that his uncle, his uncle that killed in Singapore or whatever. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, he just somehow found himself in the middle of a crime in an airport. This guy I was thinking of is Boris Nemtsov. He was a vocal at he was like a vocal opponent of Putin. Putin for years and in 2015 he got shot and killed while walking across a bridge near the Kremlin. Crazy. Oops. Who knows what happened. I don't look at Matt. Straight bullet. She had to, I don't think that, and I understand you're trying to steal man, or you were trying to steal man his position. Yeah. I don't think that he's actually looking for a way out. I'm trying, I'm looking for like what is going on in his mind, because we all, from this perspective, he looks like a dick to crack, like a authoritarian, you know, power monger. But in his brain, like, he must think he's doing good. Like, why? I think he probably does. He thinks of himself as an idol. He absolutely thinks he is like the best. That's kind of what Stalin and Lenin both thought they were doing real, socialist good work. He actually thought it was going to work, which is the scariest thing. Have you seen the photos of him riding a horse shirtless? That's what he thinks of himself. Because it's like, the process where you want to, no matter what, support the process. George Washington, I'll step down. I'm giving power up. You need to respect the process so that we maintain like a democratic republic. As soon as one guy refuses to let go, the whole process, you're spitting on the process. So Putin is spitting on the process. But then the other aspect of it is like, if you just play laissez faire liberalism, the communist will take over and destroy you from within. So you have to kind of be brutal and bend and break the rules from time to time to maintain power and authority. So Putin's like, I see how he wavers between the two. Well, that's, that's, well, first of all, I wouldn't, I don't think that we can classify Russia as a, you know, democratic republic. I think it's a federal, it's, they call it, they call it the Russian Federation, I think. Adoration of states, but it's, I, obloss, I don't know, but, but yeah, so I think that trying to articulate it in a way that's similar to the United States, I think is a, is an error in classification. It's a, it's a different system and because of the, like they don't, I don't know, they, they have a parliament in Russia. I think they have something that resembles that, maybe just a placeholder. Yeah. I mean, and if they do, it certainly doesn't have the ability to restrict their president, you know, I mean, they're going to empower him because they're scared of him. Yeah. So semi presidential republic. So obviously power of the president, the prime minister, they have a cabinet, they have a federal assembly. Oh, that's right. I studied this in college totally forgot all about it. And it has like seniority as far as having been around the longest and worked under all the other people that have been there in his KGB. So they have a Duma, which is basically like our house. And then they have a federation council, which is the upper house, which is two people from each region. So like our Senate. So they call that the federal assembly. Okay. So similar to ours, but different, similar in, in the way that it's organized, but the, the president has, you know, has the ability to off his political opponents, so structurally similar in practice, not so much, not so much. So yeah, I guess back to the, the initial topic, what is the, what is, you know, the mecca agreement mean for NATO and it really is just kind of a mess, you know, because obviously the issues of Turkey, the issues that are currently going on with Iran, it could, it could be a complete and total just pile of spaghetti. I think it really indicates that like the actual threat is not the Russians, but the Israelis in the Iranians that that it's not either one of them. It's the conflict that's brewing as a result of that. Middle East is a problem that it's always been a conflict zone. So having any packs like that, it's just going to cause problems because there will never be peace in the Middle East, no matter what anyone says there will never be peace there in some form or fashion. Is this too hot? That's what people like today. Very hot. Yeah, it is. But it goes back to biblical times. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know, all right, look, let's, let's jump to, let's jump to this story here. The US job market stalled in July as employers cut 23,000 jobs delivering political setback to Trump. Now, this is from the AP, Washington, the US job market stalled unexpectedly last month, delivering a political blow to President Donald Trump three months ahead of midterm elections and complicating decisions making for the inflation fighters at the US Federal Reserve. Employers cut 23,000 jobs in July, and the Labor Department visions slashed 103 jobs from May and June payroll. The unemployment rate fell, but for the wrong reasons, thousands of people dropped out of the labor market. So fewer people were competing for work. The job numbers from the Labor Department Friday marked a sharp setback for the American labor market and for Trump less than three months before his Republican party seeks to keep full control of Congress in the midterm election. Forecasters had expected job creation to approach 100,000 last month. Local public schools cut 50,000 jobs in July, restaurants and bars, 26,000 retailers, 19,000. Now, the 50,000 jobs in local public schools matters because this happens every year, right? In the summertime, public schools cut jobs because obviously kids go home so they don't need to have as many people on staff. The 4.1 unemployment rate was the lowest since June 2025, again, June of last year. But it only fell because 264,000 people dropped out of the labor market last month, the share of those working or looking for work fell to 61% of the lowest since February 2021. We can't really put lipstick on a pig here, so Daniel Zau, Chief Economist at the Job Website Glassdoor, this is not a great report for July. I did wonder how much of the decrease in employment has been because of deportations, right? So TPS ended, temporary protected status just recently ended, and so they're able to deport those people. But there have been deportations on the order of 4,000 people a day since about January. How much of the jobs being cut or lack of employment is because of deportations? If someone had been here off the books illegally, and they were, could they have been on unemployment? No, they couldn't be on unemployment, but they would go to the total job number. They would be considered under people working and stuff. If it was like, because you're saying these people, how many 60% of the workforce is now looking for work before as like 40% less people are actually looking for jobs? I don't know. I don't think that would track that that would have anything to do with illegal immigration because they weren't on the books anyway. Well, that doesn't mean that they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not on the books, but that doesn't mean that the employers aren't counting them as, as employees, right? It's like they leave out a lot of numbers for optics, right? Yeah. AutoPim Presidency, we saw how many government jobs were added, and they counted them as regular workforce jobs. But that's really slated, so without knowing the details behind it's kind of hard to decipher for me. Yeah. Does it go up and down frequently like a sign wave, the job market? Is it constantly the unemployment numbers? It does, it does tend to fluctuate a little bit, but you get, basically you'll get a trend. So, if the economy is shrinking, right, so a quarter of lower GDP, two of those in a row historically has been in a recession, right, but they change the rules during the Biden administration. Of course, they move the goalposts, so they-- Yeah. So, I'm not sure exactly how much it fluctuates, but like I said earlier, the numbers from the--from what is it? Public schools? 50,000 jobs in July, right? That's because of-- Summer break. School's shrinking for the summertime, and the previous--the 4.1 unemployment rate was the lowest since June 2025. It's--there's a significant shrink in the summertime because schools stop, you know, having classes. Yeah. I used to work at a school, and we would have summer school. I was working in middle school, it would cut by--it would be three wings in the school for the different grades, and it would cut to like half of a single wing, which was not a lot. And it was maybe 45 to 50 students max, and this is like a big school. So, we probably had--I would say 40, maybe 45, and I mean, maybe four teachers and then support staff, which is what I was doing. So it does cut quite a bit, and they're considered not working right now, even if they're getting paid depending on how they take their pay. So it is going to show that, but I'm wondering what the other reasons could be for people not being in the job market. Like, I know the job market's not great right now. It's hard to-- Yeah, restaurants and bars is probably--restaurants and bars and retailers had a total--or restaurants and bars is 26,000 retailers were 19,000. So that's, you know, significant, that's--it's nothing to sneeze at. It's not as many as public schools, but when you--when you have, you know, shrinkage in restaurants and bars and retailers, that kind of indicates that the economy is slowing a little bit. That people aren't going out and spending as much money, and this is--this kind of ties into the, you know, burrito gate that's been going on on X, right? People are complaining because, you know, burritos shouldn't cost this much money, and, you know, maybe they have a good argument, but the response has been terrible. You know, when you have job numbers that are less than you would hope for, like they were talking about, I think they said they were hoping for jobs to be up by--what is it? Let me see. 100,000, I believe. Yeah, I think they said they were hoping that jobs were going to be up by 100,000, and then they're down by, you know, 75 or--or not 80,000 or whatever. That's a significant difference, and you've got people that are young--specifically young people, excuse me, you know, saying, look, it's tough out here. It's hard for us to find a job. We can't get work that pays us enough, the people that that do have jobs like, we can't make ends meet, we don't make enough money. And then the response from, you know, boomers, from older people is like, oh, well, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And I've made this point a couple of times. Like, you can't talk to young people that are not go-getters as if they were go-getters because the go-getters are already out there going and getting it, right? Like if you're an unmotivated person and you're like, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna make something out of nothing, you're already doing it. So the pull yourself up by the bootstraps is a terrible, terrible line. And I've been focusing lately a little bit on how important messaging is, right? The Democrats have got great messaging because they're telling people we're going to take care of you. And you're telling people that don't have anything. They're like, you know, you can't say, oh, you have to worry about your property. Young people are using clonifer burritos or clonifer burritos, right? - Yeah. - Payment plans for their fast foods, right? That is a terrible way to live your life. And when someone says, we're gonna help you fix that, we're gonna make sure that you have enough money to pay your bills. - You don't have to work harder. - Yeah, and you don't have to work any harder. You don't have to go out there and get it, we're gonna bring it right to you. You know, that's going to convince people. It's not a great way to actually have your country organized at all. It's unsustainable, specifically when you've got so much, you've got so much money going to older people through Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, right? That it's gonna be insolvent in like what? Six years, 20, 32 or 33 is when Social Security ends. And all that's gonna be is they're gonna cut everyone's benefits, which means people that are living on Social Security that are just getting by on their Social Security, they're gonna have 25% of their benefits cut, you know? And that opens the door. - It does. - On the other side where, hey, we'll cover that cost that you're missing, go ahead, I'm sorry. - No, go ahead, good, please. - No, I'm just saying like the GOP, like they're still in that old school mindset where, you know, I walk to school up, up, up, heel in the snow, you know, you're not making enough money, get a second job, get a third job. It's, these people are tired. This is, like, being on social media versus real life is way different. And I think that's what needs to be addressed. Like, you see some accounts on X or whatever, you know, just do more, do more, but they're, like, people are tired and people want to make an adequate wage, just live their life. - And look, that you can be correct and say, look, you just gotta work hard. There's opportunities out there, go out and find them. That can be true, but that doesn't make it a good message. It doesn't mean that people are gonna go out and vote for you. - Oh, yeah, like Crenshaw's tweet, we talked about this yesterday in pop culture crisis, horrible post, by the way. Like, like, I get why he lost for multiple reasons, but as someone who's elder, Gen Z, I guess, I see this a lot in my generation. I see a lot of people saying that they feel, like, helpless and they're doing clarna on DoorDash 'cause they don't think they'll ever buy a house. They don't see it ever happening. So why should they even try? Is what they're kind of thinking to themselves now. We need to actually encourage young people to go out and do things. The Democrats win because they tell them you can get more by doing less. We need to show people that you get more by doing more and by doing less, you're going to get less. But they're not seeing that correlation 'cause they're being told differently. Yeah, I mean, how do you motivate people to do more? When they feel like the whole world is stacked against them. John Doyle had a post the other day and he was talking about, young people have the right to expect the same standard of living as their parents had. And I'm not sure that they have that right, but it's completely reasonable. It's completely reasonable to think that. I don't think you can say, well, I have a right to this, but it's completely understandable why someone would say, look, man, we live in the age of AI and cell phones that can do everything for me and everything gets brought right to my house whenever I buy it and et cetera. Why is my life worse than my parents? Why don't I have the ability to get a house? And sure, we can jump in and say, well, look, it's 'cause the Fed Reserve printed up a bunch of money and it's because the boomers are holding on to their houses and not selling them. And that's why all the things that you really want, you don't have the ability, you don't have access to. But it doesn't change the fact that they don't feel good about it and how people vote by how they feel. - I mean, yeah, there's three big reasons I can see it and the first one is the biggest one and that's a lack of accountability for people not taking accountability for their money, their actions, the jobs they're getting, not applying themselves to these things. The second one is that most of the teachers in schools today are basically communists and they're teaching them these things from a young age, it gets instilled in them, it's a lot harder to change someone's mind when they're 25 than when they're five. So when you teach those things and then that goes to the third thing, which is parenting, having strong parents in the household, like every kid that is raised by somebody here is gonna be fine. I'm not worried about anyone's kids here. I'm talking generally speaking, weaker parent to the weaker messaging and then they go to school and hear the same thing and they're treating the schools like a second parent or like a daycare? Then they go on into the world to be like, why do I need to take accountability? My life just sucks 'cause that's what I've always been told. - See, but I don't disagree with any of the substance of what you're saying, but how do you articulate that in a way that doesn't sound like pull yourself up? - Or offensive. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's healing space for some people. - So my concern is if you want people to vote for things that are gonna be good for the country, how do you tell them in a way that also doesn't sound like, well, it's your responsibility. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause we've got to hold and I see this with libertarians and it's one of the reasons why I find significant problems with libertarians nowadays. Everybody talks about freedom and liberty and nobody talks about the corresponding responsibility. And it's because it's not really particularly attractive. You can get people to sign up and hang out with you and you're like, man, you should be free to do whatever you want and blah, blah, blah, blah. And whether you're, you know, in the gun industry, in the gun industry and in the gun world, it's a little bit different because one of the things that we talk about a lot is look, you have a responsibility. Like you're responsible for every bullet that comes out of your gun, right? If you ever have to use a firearm in a self-defense situation, don't think that getting the bad guy is the only thing that, you know, stopping the threat is the only thing. 'Cause if you smoke someone behind him, that's still a second degree murder and you're gonna catch charge. You know, you're responsible for all that stuff. And so the second amendment community, the libertarians or whatever, in the second amendment of community, they're pretty good about it. But the other parts of the libertarian party, the people that are less focused on like two A issues, like talking about, well, you know, you're responsible for these things. You're responsible for your liberty. Or if you're free to do things, you have corresponding responsibility that goes along with it. That is not particularly attractive. But you don't hear anybody in the libertarian party talking about it. - Right, I think the biggest thing is a lot of Gen Z doesn't feel heard. They don't feel like people actually understand them because so many boomers, like, "Oh, boy, yourself up for your breakfast." For the first of all, stop going to boomers for your advice. Like, go, you know, maybe Gen X and millennials are better right now. I get we don't always have all of it together, but the boomers clearly aren't doing us any good right now. I'm gonna exclude my parents from that one 'cause they're lovely, but it's mostly, they need to hear that you understand what they're going through. Look, I see what you're going through. When I was 20-something, I really thought I was never gonna get a house. I thought all these things were gonna be, like, the world was ending for me as well. Here's the steps I took to get there. And here's why voting that way can help with those steps to get you there. You need to give them that, just do it and it'll all work itself out. That doesn't help anybody. You're like, "Well, that doesn't help me right now. You have to give them a clear end goal." So you wanna buy a house and you feel like it's helpless right now. Well, talk to somebody who did just buy a house. Like, look at the steps they took. I'm guaranteeing they probably align more with right-wing policies and telling them, like, "Look, I never thought I'd own a house. I don't own a house right now." But you can say, "I never thought this would happen to me. Here's everything I did to get there. Here are the policies that help make that work and that's why you should be voting for our side." So you need to hear them first. First thing is acknowledging how they're feeling and that it's totally valid to feel helpless sometimes in your 20s. But if you're not at least meeting them right there, you're never gonna get past that. You have to get to that very first barrier then you can have a conversation. But if you don't hear them, that's it. - It's good. This is why I do appreciate the boomers and the silent generation if you had an opportunity to hang with them. 'Cause when I asked, like, my dad or if my dad see me voice, when I was 20, I was serving on a destroyer in the Pacific, because the Vietnam, the Vietnam Kong where the Russians were trying to take over me. So he was like, he wasn't shooting and killing people. He was in Navy and was able to avoid direct combat. But a lot of our money in our wealth was generated by foreign conquest and winning wars in the 20th century. And when that faded away after the Soviet Union fell, fiat, we were like, we need to maintain the standard of living so people can keep buying houses. Let's print it. And now that blew up. So like my grandma, when she was 12, her parents begged her to help somehow. She got a full-time job across working in. - And with mine. - And the newspaper stand in 1930 when she was 12, because the Great Depression destroyed everybody. So like, she worked full-time as a 12-year-old. Like, that was her life. The year 12-year-olds work. Or do they have full-time jobs? - It was against that. - Do they pull money in for the household? Because like, that's what it used to be like. For billions, for thousands and thousands of years, everybody contributed everything they could so you could survive. Now we have this luxury that people have become a cop. to where they think they deserve a house. You had to build your own house back in the day. - Because it's hell. - Another thing it's worth noting is like, the number of people in Gen Z that own a home isn't as small as some people think, right? Like 25% of Gen Z, which is Gen Z, Gen Z years that are 25 to 29 own a home. - It's pretty good. - And it's ages 22 to 24 is between 10 and 15%. So it's actually not impossible for young people. I'd be curious to know like if they had any help from their parents buying the home though. - Well, I mean, look, it's possible, but I mean, if you're talking about 30 to 40% of Gen Z, I don't imagine that 30 to 40% of Gen Z had a lot of help from their parents. That's basically reflects kind of, anyone above 50% in, 50% of society, right? Like if their parents were like above 50% median income, and that doesn't mean that they have a lot of money, that just means that they're not the lower half. - Isn't that the same percentage of Gen Z that lives at home as well with their parents? No, I'm being too way to save money to buy a house. - It is, but it's also college debt. That's also another part, a huge part of this is college debt. Like taking out loans when you're 18 years old for a degree, you're probably not gonna use is insane. I don't know if you guys were all pressured to go to college. - Well, it's interesting because like, I think at least my parents wanted, they didn't see it coming like this. They thought that it was gonna be just like their generation until I was like trying to figure out what I was gonna do. And then like, nothing my parents were saying was helping. He's like, well, you know, actually, I haven't applied for a job in 25 years, so maybe you don't listen to what I'm saying. And I was like, okay, I'll figure it out then. - I mean, that was kind of like my dad was a, he owned a business. So he was, you know, worked in the trades and worked with his hands all his life. So he kinda, there was no pressure for me to go into college. My daughter, his daughter, my sister wanted to go into college and she got a degree and doesn't, I don't, she doesn't really use her degree. She went into, I think she got a degree in marketing and she's been a bank manager for her in the past. - That's a better degree than a lot of kids get. - Well, yeah, I mean a lot. - What? - It meant a lot at one point. - Yeah, it did. - It was a previous generation. - It did, but the point that I'm making is that like, the degree that she got wasn't in the field that she ended up in. - Sure, yeah. - And she went and like I said, she got a marketing degree and she's worked at a bank and she's been a bank manager for something like 30 years or whatever and, you know, she didn't go into finance when she was in college but she got out of college, had a degree and got a job and, you know, she started as a teller and worked away up and now she manages a brand. - That's great, that's a thing in trade schools. That's a huge thing my dad, they're currently selling the company but my dad's whole career was owning a construction business for commercial glass. He races on that. So what your point is, kids living at home. I think so many of them live at home because they see this big mountain of, I don't know, I'm just gonna average it out to maybe 30 to 60 grand in debt before you can even think about buying a house that's $300,000. That's for them and that's because they feel like, and they're not even using their degrees most of the time. That's the problem too, is I know multiple people I went to college with, they're doing jobs that have enough, they could have gone them in high school. - The only people that I know that got a college degree and are using it are people that went to music school. - Yeah, theater, that's me right now. I mean, I trained on a microphone in college. I did-- - Or doctors, lawyers. - I'm talking about my friends, people that I know. And I'm not talking about theater 'cause I don't know anybody in theaters. - Yeah, right. - Dr. G, in arts, I'm really in the first lane to go guys. Don't tell me I'm fricking wrong. But the point that I'm making is like, most of the people that I know that went to college, like out of all the people that I know that went to college, only the guys that went to like Berkeley or went to state schools for school for music. Got a B.A. R.O. guitar player. All they got a B.A. in music theory and he was obviously, he was in all the remains for, you know, 20 years. Adam Ducco, the guitar player from guitar player and producer from Kill's Switch Engage. He went to Berkeley. Joel went to-- - Oh, sure. - The other guitar player, Joel went to Berkeley. - They're also ambitious people, right? - Yeah, yeah, you know. - So they're people that not only got the degree, but wanted the career so badly that they went out and got it after the degree. - Yeah, but the idea of going to school for something in particular and then actually going into that field that doesn't happen a whole lot anymore. - It's right there. - You know what I mean? It's fairly-- - It's not the school that makes you want or go into the field. Like I had my eyes set on the field since I was 14. - Oh, yes. - The college was just a part of the stepping stone to get better at doing it. And so it was worth every 20 grand that I walked away with in debt of it or whatever it was, 40 grand or whatever. - I've known, but I'm really, my dad was very good at investing. I got very blessed with that. And so I have a master's degree, but no student debt. How we manage that? I'm not even gonna ask him, I'm good, I'll trust it. - My sister, when she was in college, she worked. And she graduated college, like she paid for it. You know, she worked part time. I don't remember if it was part time. Yeah, she had to work part time. And she went to UMass, you know what Amherst? So it wasn't something like cheap school that she knew. It was expensive and she paid it off and she didn't take out a lot of debt to do it. She might have had, she might have had some loans. I'm not 100% sure. But, you know, she paid, she worked while she was in college and paid it off. There's a lot of kids that go to college nowadays and they don't work at all, they live off the loan because you can get such huge loans. And one of the problems you mention, excuse me, you mentioned earlier, Olivia is the fact that the government guarantees these loans or government is involved in it. And anything the government gets involved, it's involved in the prices go up part of the reason why homes are so expensive is because the government's involved in homes and home loans and stuff. Part of the reason why schooling is so expensive is because you've got government loans. You can get a government loan and the schools raise the prices 'cause they know that, you know, an 18 year old can get a loan for a hundred grand to pay for school or whatever. And you get locked into this loan for however long. And then people that get out of school, you know, they're paying minimum payments and minimum payments aren't even covering the increase in interest and that's why you get people that are, you know, they're 10 years out of school and they owe more money than when they, you know, got out of school. - Yeah, I know two people who met and at a private college got married, both of them lived locally but still lived on campus which cost more money to do that, they could have commuted. They didn't, now they are married, they lived together, they have collectively $120,000 in student loans and either of them are using the degrees that they got. I mean, that's insane, that is insane to do that and I had another point while you were talking and I was like, oh, that's good, but now I can't remember what it was, but that level of debt, oh, working in college, you should work in college. It builds you to then go into the job market, prepared, it builds your resume, I worked two, three different jobs in college, I paid for all my own groceries and eventually my own apartment. That was the deal, like, we'll pay for your tuition but you gotta pay for everything else you wanna do, you gotta pay for your car, you gotta pay for all this stuff. And I did and that taught me that accountability and responsibility to then pay bills and all that and handling finances. Steve, did you go to college? Yes, I did, I actually have two degrees. I went to trade school and I became an electrician. I did that for a while. It's a gold mine nowadays. I wish I would continue to do that, but so I didn't, so I was a marine electrician, so I worked on like crew boats and barges and you know, kind of oil field type stuff. And then I joined the Army in 2006 and then I used my GI bill to get a bachelor's and occupational health and safety after and I actually used both. So I must mean an anomaly with that. But I think earlier, like we're talking about how we could change almost the mindset of this country. What's, what's, what has been missing in this country since 2001 in your opinion? Between towers? Yeah. Okay, but okay, what, what, what came after that? It's been fantastic. The America thing I've heard all day, actually. At the twin tower. That's going to stay with me for a while. Yeah, sure, sir. But anyways, the American spirit, remember right after 9/11, everyone's like pro-America, there was like, we were all united on one front. And like just the American dream has been missing and I'm still laughing at it. But the American dream, like, we need to re-emphasize that messaging, like have people that have actually worked for what they, like Elon Musk. I mean, he's South African, came to this country and now it was, well, former trillionaire. But you know, if you put your mind to something, you can accomplish it. You know, there are going to be hiccups along the way. There's going to be downfalls all the time. You're going to fail more than you succeed. But you have to keep pushing. I think that's kind of the mindset we're missing. One of the things that is important, I think, is that like you're saying about like, keep trying and stuff. Like, people quit too early. And like, one of the things that, like, one of the reasons why all that remains is a successful band is because I just never stopped. I didn't have the brain, you know, I wasn't smart enough to get a real job or whatever. So I just kept doing it. You know, and you learn what you're doing. And another thing I think that does matter is having the humility to be like, okay, whatever I'm doing now isn't quite working out. Who's done what I want to do? And can I pick their brain? Like, we did that. we definitely did that. We put out a record in 2002 and it wasn't the record that I wanted to put out, and I was like, well, how do I, you know, how do I get a record? How do we make a record that sounds like I want to, you know, like I wanted to sound? Fortunately, I knew Adam from Kill Switch, and I was like, hey, produce our record. And then we went to, we went to him to do the next record, and that's when we started to get in some traction because, you know, he's like, he's like, this is what you should do, and you should do this and change that. And we didn't go in there saying, we know what, we know, we know what's up. We're like, help us make a good record. You know, you're the guy that went to Berkeley, you're the guy that, you know, put out the records that, that sound like we want our record to sound like. So, like, how do we do this? And, you know, we did whatever he said, and then when we went back to him for the next record, there's record called the follow ideals, like that record, we put together ourselves with very little input when we brought it to him. He was like, yeah, all this stuff sounds squared away. I wouldn't really change this or whatever. And after that, it was like, okay, you're off to the races. We kind of figured out the, the, the, the secret sauce to make all the remains sound like all that remains. So, it's, it's really a matter of, of not quitting, continue pushing, and it's hard because, you know, you got to get bills to pay, and a lot of people end up with like families. Well, fewer people end up with families nowadays. But, but, you know, it's, it's hard to continue when you keep running to walls or you keep getting turned down or you keep, you know, miss a lot of opportunities or whatever. But the people that end up successful are the people that don't quit. I think that's instant gratification culture. People don't want to put time and effort into it. They're like, if I don't get the likes on this video, that's not my bag, I guess. I'll try something else. And it's like, it takes time and effort to do this stuff. It's, it's not, I didn't start a quote unquote career until 27. So, I mean, the record that put us on the map, the follow ideals, I was 31 when that came on. That's an old guy already an old guy in the music industry. You know, like we were on tour with some bands that had, had kids that were, you know, 17, 18, 19 years old, they had to ask their parents if they could go on tour. That's, that's a true story. And you've got to keep trying. You can't just rely on instant gratification because that will ruin you. That will ruin your ambition. You need to bring back that level of ambition. And I don't want to say, pull yourself up, but like work for what you're getting. Yeah. Well, I mean, I did 24 years of unpaid work before I started getting paid for what I loved to do 24 years since I was 14 to the age of 38. I started getting paid at any entertainment industry, like securely at age 38. And it was worth every minute. I mean, I worked so many shitty jobs as a waiter 12 years of just hating my job, thinking about how miserable I was while I was standing there waiting for it to be over, like dreaming about a day where I could do what I liked and actually make money doing it. And then it happens. Like it happens. But the problem with the American dream, like you're saying, is like the militarization and just like, I felt like we had the dream was alive in the 90s. I was so excited to be an actor. Like I'm going to work harder and make more as a result. And then like everything, it felt like everything fell down in 2001 when the buildings creating crashing. And then it was like the mask came off and they were like, now we're just going to try and take over the world. The American dream is conquer the world. And I'm like, what is the point of this? I'm like, so I've been really disenfranchised with the American way of life for about 25 years because of that. Like what is the American dream? Is it to conquer the Middle East? Is it to have the most nuclear weapons? Is it to beat the most people up that said the bad word? Like what's the point? Is it to sustain and have a nice calm little farm? Because then what the enemy comes from without. So is the job that have the is the American dream to have the strongest borders? Like what's the American dream? Depends with your aspect you're talking about. Well, I don't think there's any one. It's just. Well, so I mean, so I think that there was a general idea of what the American dream was, right? The idea that you can go to work, do something that maybe something you don't love, but something that you can tolerate and you can come home and you can have a home and a family that's yours, right? The idea of ownership is something that was a major component of the American dream for a long time. And that's part of the reason why I think people that rent and don't own anything kind of feel like they're alienated or they don't have access to the American dream because they don't have that aspiration to own something, right? The whole idea like, I'm the king of my castle, right? My house. Maybe it's not the biggest one in the world, but it's mine. And I get to make the decisions and my family is here and this is what the important stuff is to me, right? Like that kind of sense of ownership and that kind of sense of I've made my life and I've made it out of, you know, out of work and hard at whatever your job is, whether it be, you know, a white color job or a blue color job, the idea that you can go to work and then you have your little quote unquote, your little slice of heaven, your home that's yours that no one can take away from you where you can actually make the decisions, that's kind of the American dream where you can what? With a family building a legacy, like having that be handed down, working so hard that you can hand that stuff down is so important. We see smaller and smaller families to meet the American dream is like people that, if you're talking about people that come here for the American dream, if that's what you want to look at it as, people that come here to buy a house have a family work hard and leave their children what they worked for. Yeah, that's the American. The term succeed actually, like the term succession, like if a king succeeds, succeeds to his child, that's that's the general term of, did you succeed in life? Well, we're about to find out because it is stuff being passed down to your child, that's succession, that is success, is that you're able to pass something on to the next generation. So to your point, the idea that the American dream was somehow tainted by foreign wars, I don't, that doesn't resonate with me because I think that the American dream was always about here in the United States and the individual's ability to do things in the United States, do things for themselves. The people that come here that are looking, quote unquote, looking for the American dream, they're coming here hoping that they can start something and this is a kind of a way that I phrase that a lot. People that have an agency attitude that they can go somewhere in the United States and make something happen for themselves as opposed to people that have a, you know, a lack of agency in their attitude who think that the world happens to them. And I think part of the reason why, a big part of the reason why the United States has been successful over the course of our 250-year history is because people were attracted to the idea of coming here and being able to make something happen for themselves. And, and that kind of, that possibility, you know, drew people that were looking to come here and happen to America, right? Like, when all George and Edgar came over to the United States, right, he, he was determined to happen to America. Like America wasn't going to happen to him. He was going to happen to America and millions of people that have come to the United States throughout our history have come here with the same goals and the same aspirations. I'm going to happen to America. I'm going to go there and I'm going to do something and I'm going to make something happen. And that is a big part, in my opinion, of the American dream. It's the attitude that you're able to happen to the world as opposed to the world happens to you. I think it's a his point. I think the United States, like, imagine you're just looking at a map of the US, right? There's a bunch of clouds on top of it. The American dream is still underneath there, but you have to start peeling away. All right, why are we printing money? Why are we for over $40 trillion in debt? Take that out. Take out the millions of illegals that are taking jobs, houses, get them out. And, you know, you just have all these compounding things that are on top. And once you start solving some of these problems, it opens up the door again to the American dream because there are invaders in our country that are taking the American dream away from us. Yeah. I think land ownership is a big part of it. Like back in the last couple hundred years, there was a lot of open land to take for colonists and for settlers, like going west. That age has sort of passed us by. And within the United States, there's not a lot of land to go get now. It's kind of owned by corporations sometimes to Alaska. You can get some land. What's Alaska? You can go to Alaska. There's a lot of land to Gaza. I hear too. There's land for sale or to be taken by settlers, not in the United States. Yeah. That's more than Israeli thing. But there is land to be colonized, I hear, on earth. So, but like if a corporate of a foreign corporation, especially owns a piece of land, the United States, like, is the American dreamer thing? I'm like, yo, manifest destiny. This is American land. Why does a quasi-black rock foreign corporation claim ownership over black rock the other day? I think black rock is not an American court. I'm not sure it's a multinational court. It's not necessarily adherent to American law and American restriction rules everywhere it goes. So any kind of foreign op, a Chinese businessman owning American farmland, that seems like that's another cloud that you would need to peel away to be like, look, the American dream is owning my own property. And if the Chinese own all the land around me, what am I supposed to do? What is this dreams? What's going to happen in this dream? If the foreigners keep trying to buy my land through legal right when the reality is I'm defacto on top of it because there's like do your reality where it's like by law, this is what the reality is. And then there's defacto reality, which is like what's really happening, which is these people are here living on this land. Maybe they're not on paper, the owners, but they're basically the owners because they're the ones, they're the protectors of the territory. So I don't know man. I mean back in the day was land seizure. We just take it from the natives. So at a 43 million acres of US agricultural land, that's foreign owned, right? That's about 3.1 percent of all US agricultural land. Total land area is 2.3 billion acres. So for for an owned land is roughly 1.9% of all land. I understand what you're saying, but it's actually not a problem. - Well, it's crazy that any of the land is owned by foreigners. - I mean, fair and, I mean, well, I don't know. It depends, should a foreign company be able to set up shop here in the US? - I mean, I'm an American nationalist and almost an isolationist, so I'm gonna say no. - You don't think a foreign company so like Mitsubishi shouldn't be allowed to? 'Cause that's what I'm talking about. - Or Samsung, but it's American company, though. - Well, I mean, it's, Samsung's owned by in South Korea, right? They're a Korean company. Should they be able to open up then? - They open up an American company. - Okay. - Yeah. - Yeah, so, okay, I think that'd be all right. - So then, but that means it's foreign on land, though. It's an American company as an entire American workers, but it's a foreign company. - Yeah, they should rent the land. They should offer an American owner. Side a lease. Here you go. - Okay. - Yeah, the land. - Feel before I forget, I wanna say Adam. My favorite video of him is on the price is right. - Yeah, that's all I wanna say. - It goes all the way, too, right? It goes for context. He's referencing Adam D, the time that Adam D from "Killsurgeon Gage" was on the price is right, and he went and he won the whole commutal. The whole thing, he got all the way to the end and won. And it was hilarious because if you know anything about Adam D, he's a character. - It's called Steve, that's my name. - He's, and dude, in real life, he's just like that. Like, it's not like he's putting on an act. He's ridiculous all the time. - Is he brilliant? Is that the guy that produced your thing? - He's absolutely brilliant, yeah. - He's your producer? - He's not, like, he produced four records for us. He produced this dark and hard, the follow-up ideals for where we are many, and he produced where he cannot win. - When he's doing that thing on prices right, where he'd be like bet $1 more than the opponent, and then get it. - I don't spend a while. - I'm not really, I don't remember his bets, I remember his antics, his yelling itself. He's hilarious. You can Google, you can search it on YouTube, Adam D. - He gave a shout out to his dog Steve. - His dog Steve. - His dog Steve. - His dog is a backbone of mine. - It's a good dog. It's a good dog, yeah. But yeah, the idea of, you know, I'm not super opposed to foreign entities owning U.S. land. I mean, I understand what people are saying. I don't hate the idea of being like, all right, for a foreign company, you have to lease it from a U.S. landowner or whatever. But, to Ian's point, right, like, if there's a U.S. landowner that owns the land, it's gonna be some big conglomerate if they're leasing it to a company. It's not gonna be like, you know, Joe down the street owns this land, and he's gonna lease it to, you know, the Samsung Corporation, you know. - It'd be cool if we could do stuff like that, like, well, I mean, if you own, look, if you own property, you absolutely can. There's nothing preventing an American citizen from leasing land to a company that wants to build a, you know, build some kind of factor, you know, like that. - This is where I start to align with the communist cry for like seizure of property, is because if corporate, corporateocracy, I feel like is the other end of the spectrum of communism is where the corporations own everything, as opposed to everyone owns everything. So the communist will be like, down with corporate ownership, we must take it back, and I'm like, okay, I understand the corporate ownership's a big problem. But I don't think like, just going in seizing property with no future plan is the right way to necessarily go about it. But I can see where the cannabis is brewing because there's always a five-year plan. - There's always a five-year plan, yes. - We gotta start with five years. - No, no, that was actually a comment about communist consistently having five-year plans. I think that that property ownership is important. And I don't think that it's good for, for, like, I'm generally, like, generally against eminent domain, like, unless it's a real, real, serious need, there should, like, the government shouldn't be, like, it should take a lot of steps and a lot of work for the government to, you know, take your property over eminent domain. I think that, generally, it's a bad use of land. - Do you think that the government using eminent domain to seize land around the capital to build data centers is righteous? I don't think the government's doing that. - I know, I don't think they are. I think they're buying it. But if it were to come to it where they're like, we need more power. - No, and the government wouldn't be, so, like, usually, eminent domain, and there's the abuses that are my biggest problem, but usually, eminent domain is used for, like, we're building a highway, so we need to take this because the highway is going through here, and we can't have it go, you know, whatever, we can't change the shape of the highway or whatever. As for data centers, I don't think that the government is actually in the business of using eminent domain to acquire land for data centers. Most of the time, it's private companies that are doing that. - I'm asking right now. - Yeah, for now. - Are there lines, do they do it for power lines too? - Probably for power lines. I think they do that kind of stuff. But a lot of times, they'll do it for airports. I mean, there are times where they use eminent domain for, you know, infrastructure projects and stuff, but honestly, I don't think that-- - Is there any land or something? - I mean, this is actually-- - They were trying to get my friends far. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - I think in the long run, to be honest with you, I think in the long run data centers, like Musk is probably gonna put data centers in space, and I think there's gonna be a lot of companies that are gonna fall soon, because once he figures out how to do it, and he's very much the only know is physics, right? So if physics says you can't do it, then you can't do it. Otherwise, you know, you can do it, and he's put a lot of effort. Into getting things into space there was times where people were like, you're never gonna get rockets into space, you're never gonna get reusable rockets, you're never gonna be able to put, you know, the internet into the sky, and that is all, you know, proven totally wrong. So I think that in the long run data centers are gonna end up in space and, you know, lower, orbit. - Yeah, I mean, your houses and in your phones, I think, will decentralized the data too, like mesh it up. - Like mesh networking of data, yeah, data crunching, and stuff like that. - Isn't that more communication thing than actually like a data measuring? - Mesh networks? - Yeah, mesh networks are like just a, feel like they're kind of like a private internet, you know, your network. - Yeah, an internet, you could call it in draw. - But it's like device to device, as opposed to going to a central server, and then back to your device, I'd go right to your device instead. So if you could transmit like if my phone could do calculations for your tank, like partially, because it's local or something, because it's nearby, and I could run like 2% of your data needs that could help alleviate. - Oh, yeah. - So we're gonna jump to this story here. Todd Blanche is a nomination for Attorney General clears critical hurdle after deal with GOP holdouts. From the AP, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche has cleared a critical hurdle Tuesday and is bid to be confirmed to the post after swaying Republican holdouts on a Senate committee to advance his nomination for a floor vote. The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 12 to 10 along party lines in support of the nomination of President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, who has aggressively pushed the Republican administration's priorities since taking over for Pam Bondy in April. The vote followed a deal struck late Sunday between Blanche and two Republican Senator John Cornett of Texas and Tom Tilles of North Carolina, who had been threatening to block his confirmation over the settlement of Trump's lawsuit against the Internal Revenue Service, regarding the president's leaked tax returns. Cornett and Tilles backed Blanche's nomination after the Justice Department confirmed in writing that it wasn't moving forward with a 1.8 billion fund to compensate Trump allies, who believed they were prosecuted for political purposes, which the administration announced as part of the settlement. So I'm not sure how many people, Donald Trump has appointed that have been confirmed by the Senate, but I know that it's historically low. So this is looking like it could be another actual win for the administration. Todd Blanche has been pretty good so far. I know that there are a lot of people that had a lot of problems with Pam Bondy for different reasons. The Epstein stuff, being one of the major reasons, just because it was all handled. So it was a complete clown show. The whole, the walking out of the White House with binders. And I understand the people are going to say, "Oh, well, that was actually, they weren't supposed to have a photo up and what have you." But even still, it should have never happened. It was a total, total farce. - It angered a lot of people. - And rightly, correctly, there's a lot of people that Sernovitch was smart about it. He wasn't standing there holding up the binder unlike some other people that are, I guess, friends of the show. But look, the whole, Pam Bondy, she was good on some things, but she wasn't particularly good about optics and optics really, really matter in DC. - Oh, yeah, it's the most important thing that we were talking earlier about messaging matters. Optics matter in DC. They will make or break you in DC. So, I know a lot of people wanted Bondy out. I was one of them. She absolutely was creating a PR nightmare for the presidency and for Trump specifically. It wasn't surprising when she left. I'm hoping Blanche is going to do good work. I'm happy they're working out a deal. But again, I try not to get my hopes up too high with any politician or any government. anything. So, hoping this all goes well, but at the same time, got to have your reservations too. Yeah. So, the Senate has confirmed a couple of, it says hundreds of President Donald Trump's nominees for a second term, including a fresh package of 74 to 100s, but seven civilian and lower-level administration posts approved in early August to clear a backlog. Thousands of total political positions exist with hundreds tracked actively. Let's see, do they have any kind of numbers here? Because I know that the administration politically appoints a tracker roll on second. Let's see, positions have no Trump nominee, nominees are being considered by the Senate 100. There's been 360 that have been confirmed. So, let's see, you know what I mean? 824 positions that are in total here? I mean, that's probably like lower level, like every position they have, because they have to, they have to okay, like, so many appointments and there's a lot of appointments to fill. So, I'm sure that's over time. There's like an assistant to the assistant to the other position. Yeah, exactly. There's like a million of them, which that in and of itself is a big problem. How many positions are one appointed and two held? Like, that's how many people do you need in the government? That's a big bureaucracy. It's huge. That is so many people. We need to trim that fat immediately. I mean, that's what Dodge was for. That was really hamstringed by not just by Congress, but actively by protesters and by the media. I think the most significant thing that Dodge got to do was cut USAID. Even now, you're hearing how people are swearing up and down that Elon Musk is a murderer. I even saw some some infographics that talk about the most murders in history. And they put Musk's name in there because they project that all these people are going to die. So, they've got like Mao, Stalin, Elon Musk, Hitler, as if Musk was, you know, responsible for these deaths because of Doge. But, you know, there's constantly people that talk about, well, you know, the government should get rid of waste fraud and abuse. And then you go ahead and you get rid of the waste fraud and abuse and people freak out because it's always a catastrophe, the way that they, you know, the narrative that they spin. It's always some kind of catastrophic thing if you get rid of this post or that post. But the USAID stuff, we have Mike Benzon a lot, and he says that, you know, there's not really a whole lot of light between USAID and CIA, right? Like, USAID is basically a front for CIA. Well, you see how the DNC is basically broke since the USAID got cut. Yeah, I think that was one of the best things to do is cut USAID. But I think a lot of people are getting disenfranchised because we have all this fraud that's happening. And then you have Rand Paul once a year that does the Festivist report and you're saying, this is ridiculous. But no one ever seems to get to get held accountable or wasting all of our money and kind of circling back to the American dream. I think that's another cloud that's on top of the United States right now. I mean, okay, we're arresting Somalians and Minnesota and all of that. But you know this money trickles back to politicians and no one is being held accountable for this. That's why people are getting upset. Yeah, I wonder how much, like what percentage of the total US budget is fraud, right? Like out of all of the money because Musk was making the argument that he thought it was like a trillion dollars. Which when I first heard it, I was like, come on, man, like the US spends like two trillion, you think half of the money that's getting spent is a trillion dollars. And then you hear about the billions of dollars in one state alone. And you're like, oh, well, maybe that's true. Maybe it actually is approaching a trillion dollar. Medicare fraud. Yeah. It's going around, yep. Yeah, I mean, Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security are the biggest drivers. And you got to imagine, look, when you offer people some kind of social service for legitimate problems that they're having, you know that there are a lot of people that are like, oh, well, I have a problem too. How many people that you see rolling around on scooters at Walmart are on Social Security because they can't work because they can't get up and walk. You know, and they're, you know, they're what, you know, 40, right? They're like, oh, you know, my knees are destroyed. Well, you were walking around with an extra 200 pounds on your body. And now you can't work a regular job so you get on Social Security. It's like, maybe you shouldn't be on Social Security. Maybe we shouldn't have these programs, you know, or maybe we should we should have more stringent, stringent rules about who can and cannot get on the program. Because look, the the amount of money that is is waste for out and abused probably does approach what what Musk was talking about. And I'm going on the books. It's like three to five percent of our seven trillion a year. But in proper payments, they call it and then frauds harder to track, but three to five percent of seven trillion, which would be three hundred fifty billion a year roughly. But that's just what's on the books. Yeah. And I mean, what how much do they say was was fraud in in Minneapolis? Oh, tens of not hundreds of billions. Oh, wait, oh, you talking about the learing centers? Well, overall, the whole state, they were. Oh, I don't have that number. I can't remember offhand learing. I love that everyone just says it. Like, it's like, you mean the learing centers? Like, no one ever says the learning centers anymore. I passed one in my work. I thought it was a little crazy. I passed one in Martin'sburg and like just laughed myself. I was like, well, at least we know it's not some all the ranks. It was filled learning centers. Well, it's like, well, don't quite report that one. This is, um, it's a big part of my dissolution with the American dream. I don't want to talk about my dissolution too much, but it's the fraud. Like, it feels insurmountable, literally insurmountable. Like the only way to solve it is to break the whole system, which means like sudden death for so many people. That's not where I'm aiming, but I just don't see a lot of other outcomes over there. It only means some death of someone's using the system correctly. That's the thing. And it indicates that if I don't do fraud, I'm going to get left behind and become one of those casualties. Like, I have to, I can't beat them. Join them. Okay. That's like the mentality that I'm being bred. And I don't want to slow rip of the bandaid. Like, yeah, I got hairy arms. That's what it feels like. They're like, don't let anyone know that you're peeling the bandage off. It'll be too obvious. They're real slow. And they're like, why does it hurt so bad? They're like, because I'm not, I'm not telling you what I'm doing to you. Like, bro, my infection. My infection. My infection. My infection. It's long lyrics. Man, this, uh, my own prison. It's like a creed thing. Uh, so federal prosecution, prosecutors estimate that roughly nine billion in taxpayer money has been compromised or stolen through widespread industrial scale fraud schemes cross 14 states administered social services programs, 900 billion, nine billion, nine billion. Yeah. So, I mean, but that's, you know, that's not a little money, you know, I mean, in the broad scheme of things when you're talking about, you know, two trillion dollar, um, budget, it, you know, it's, it's not a lot of money, but it's not one layer of it. Yeah. It continues to go down. If you were somebody that had foreign ties, because I'll ask for, and I don't, I don't want to pick on Israel. I'm not doing that, but I'll have like American Jews or Jewish Americans. And they'll be like, are you a Jewish American or are you American Jew? And some people be like, no, my loyalty lies with Israel. And I'm Jewish first. And they waived you Israeli flags. I'm like, but they're American citizens. I'm like, okay, if they're people like that in power. And they really are like, I'm a, uh, this thing first, then I'm an American citizen. And they could just print up money by tweaking some numbers in a computer and like send money elsewhere and like, the American people over and like, they don't like care about America. There shouldn't be people that are hyphenated Americans in, um, in Congress, right? Like part of business. More than you should have to denounce other. Yeah, you should, you shouldn't be allowed to be a dual citizen and be in Congress. You shouldn't, you shouldn't be saying things like Ilhan Omar, where, you know, we're Somalis first or I'm here to take care of the Somalis. Absolutely. You know, um, if you were, and that goes the same for, for Israelis, Israel has plenty of money. They're a, a competent nation able to take care of themselves. They don't need, you know, the United States holding their hand. The, for context, the, the US baseline for money to Israel is 3.8 billion a year, which that's a lot of money. And I'm the kind of dude that thinks that we should just get rid of foreign aid. But I will say when it comes to foreign aid, it does contribute to help prop up the dollar. If you're giving money to other countries, they want those dollars to remain valuable. So they will see a value in them. And so considering how much money we print, it's, it's part of a, uh, uh, I guess a plan to continue to have a demand for dollars. Do you believe that oil drives the market worldwide? Currently, probably yeah. Okay. Do you know how much oil we have in the Permian Basin? And do you know where the Permian Basin is? We have a lot of like about 150 years worth. Yeah, we have a lot of, where's that at? It's, uh, West Texas up to New Mexico, uh, Arizona-ish kind of region. Um, but it's, it's, it's fracturing is what they do. And, um, there's a ton. I'm, I'm absolutely, absolute. We have, we have, we have plenty of oil here in the United States. There's, uh, like, I'm actually kind of partial to the argument that oil is too valuable to burn, right? Like, I like the idea of, of going towards electric vehicles and stuff like that because, you know, Just burning it seems like you're using one of the most functional, I mean, it's civilization juice, right? Like it's not just for your cars, right? Everything that we basically come in contact every day is petroleum based, all the fertilizers that we use, all of the rubber and materials that we use. There's so many medicines that are produced that use petroleum based products. The stuff is, when they say it's liquid gold, it's not just about putting gas in your car. While that's a big use of it, I think we can, I think it's better for the US to, you know, try to move to other forms of energy for the very least for vehicles, just because it's so valuable. If burning, it seems to me to be a waste, you know. - It is plastic, making plastic. That's like the main thing for it is plastics. - It's not the main thing, but yeah. I asked Jim tour, like, can we burn graphing for fuel? 'Cause you can, it's carbon. And he was like, yeah, but you would never want to, it's too valuable. And I think the same thing about oil. Like if you can heat it up with radiative heat, you can't directly run current through it and turn it into graphing because it's liquid, but if you surround it with like a hot tube, it will, you can convert it into graphing, literally. - Oil? - Yeah, break the carbon chains apart and then they reform into structural graphing which you can use to strengthen roads and build strength and concrete and things like that. That's just one value of this stuff. Sorry to interrupt, I feel like almost like that's right. But yeah, so like, I do think that, you know, the U.S. has sufficient oil here. Like, there's not a lot of reason for the U.S. to be, you know, importing oil. You know, we can definitely provide. But the U.S. is a continent-sized country. Everything we need, whether you're talking about oil or whether you're talking about rare earth minerals that we get all from China, the, you know, that's all here in the U.S. There's basically everything the United States needs to run the United States can be produced here. We even have the most pure silicone on earth. There's this town in North Carolina that has the silicone mine that is the only place that has 99.99% pure silicone. And that's what you have to use to make chips. But not only that, you have to make the crucibles out of silicone as well because you can't have any contaminant in it. - Oh, silicon. Silicon is different. - Silicon. - I'm sorry. - Silicon. - Silicon, okay fine. - Silicon. - Silicon. - Silicon quartz. - Yeah. - But it's this town, little town in North Carolina. And that's all they do is just mine this pure, pure silicone. Silicon. - Yeah, silicon. - Silicon. - Silicon. - Silicon Valley, right? - It's like that soft fake boob material. - I apologize for mispronouncing. - Silicon Valley. - Silicon. - Silicon. (laughing) - Silicon. But yeah, like we can produce everything that we need here in the US. We don't need to actually, you know, export things. It is cheaper because we've had, you know, there's so many countries that had emerging markets and they were basically going from an agrarian society to a modern society. That's part of the reason why everyone got shipped to China is because they were trying to bring the Chinese economy into the 20th century. But yeah, I do, I'm aware of the amount of oil that we have here and I do think that, you know, oil is the petrodollar is still the main driver. So go ahead with your thought then. - No, I'm just thinking if like the United States becomes more independent as a nation, it can help us like tremendously. I've also thought about student loans that we were talking about that earlier. Take college out of the equation, boost up our trade schools. Now, hopefully it doesn't drive at the cost. You know, trade schools themselves, but we're kicking out skilled laborers, right? We need to replenish that. And if we get our kids to, I know some HVAC sales guys that just sell AC units, making a half a million a year. - Yeah. - And they're like 25 years old. - Young kids. - What do you think, so actually kind of down this, this, I'm going to tug on this thread a little bit. What do you think about the United States having the Navy we have in order to keep international trade regular? Do you think the US should be regulating the sea lanes and protecting the international trade? - Yeah, I do believe so. But I think we've been so like, I don't want to say infiltrated, but like we're talking about, are you Jewish American or African American or, you know, we need to get into mindset you're American, right? We have so many different countries that are invading us physically and mentally too, as far as elections or just even propaganda pieces that you're hearing all the time on social media, it's like everyone's combating, you know, I'm Muslim or I'm a Jewish, and instead of just focusing on being an American, we're putting these other ideals in front of what it actually means to be an American. And I think that's what's kind of getting lost. Does that make sense to you? - I do, and I agree that the idea of hyphenated American, and Teddy Roosevelt said, you know, the idea of a hyphenated American is a warrant to being an American, right? Like, so wherever you came from, right? Wherever you came from to the United States, you should leave that place behind. Leave the old world when the old world. And when you come to the United States, you're, if you become a citizen, you're an American and that's it. So I do agree, like in principle, I don't think that you don't hear it so much from people that are on the right, though. I mean, sure there, I think when you're talking about like, like black Americans, African Americans, people on the right that are black Americans, they'll still kind of call themselves African Americans, but you don't hear people that are on the right, that are from other countries, generally kind of sliding into that mindset. - It's only Jews. - American Jews, when they're-- - Oh, it's definitely not only American Jews. - We have a show where they're like, you have people on Instagram, but it's not only Jews. - That's like the one I could say on the right that I can think of off the top of my head. - Oh, you're talking about people on the right. Okay, no, because you hear, like I said, African Americans, black Americans, that have their family that was here, that are descendants of slaves, they'll still call themselves African Americans. - But not Israeli American, like not Jewish Americans, those are Americans. American Jews, where they're like, yeah, I'm born here, but I am Jewish first. Those people, I don't see that with Africa ever. - I don't know if you know what I mean. - Congo, I'm Congo, but they call themselves African Americans, they have that same mindset of the hyphenated American thing. - I've heard of Nigerian American before. Houston, the area where I'm from, there are a lot of Nigerians that actually come in, become nurses, they become American citizens, they're proud of their Nigerian culture, but they're also equally proud to be American. They dislike black culture here in the United States. They tell me that because of where they come from, they like, the America is the greatest country on the planet, and that's what I try to emphasize to everyone, because I've been to 30, probably countries, I've been to some real shit holes, and I'm like, you go to these places and you come back to the United States after a few years, and the doors of Walmart open up, you're like, "Oh, it's Angelic, you're funny." It's like, "Oh, I missed this so much." So if we can get people in that mindset, you can do a lot of change in this country. - That was the thing about corporatization is that I love, when I came back to America, I'm like, thank God there's AC, I know there's always gonna be a gas station because that's just the way corporations work. I'm gonna know I can get coffee because I know there's gonna be a Starbucks somewhere around here. That's the way corporatization works. So I'm like, thank God for the corporatization of my reality. - Look, you go to Europe, you go to Europe, and there are definitely countries where eight o'clock, everything's closed, nine o'clock, everything's closed, and that's in Europe. - That was just saying that. - What? - Posovic was saying that about somewhere he just was at. - Yeah, and he was somewhere in Europe. - And that he doesn't wanna say. But that's something that we would deal with when we're on tour, you go to Europe, and it's like, the show gets over, and it's 11 o'clock, everything's closed. You don't notice it, you don't see that in London. You probably don't see that in Manchester. But even in, there's parts of Paris where the show would get done, nothing's open. Definitely if you're in places in Germany, and then you get into smaller countries in Europe and stuff, like that kind of stuff happens in the Netherlands. There's parts where in the Amsterdam, a lot of things shut down, and there's no option. In the United States, you kind of know that after the show, you can find somewhere to get something to eat. After you get out of the, it's 11 o'clock, everyone's gone home, and you can find a place to grab something to eat, and it's-- - You know that the water that comes out of the tap is probably gonna be safe to drink. - In the US, yeah. - But I mean, most of Europe, it's fairly safe, but I've been to South America, and been to Mexico, and that is not the-- - Going to the US-- - That's the way that it goes. - It's been a package of food and eat it without inspecting the food, because you know there's not gonna be mold on it. That's just, I think people take that for granted. Very rarely will you find something wrong with packaged food, because of the way the corporations in bureaucracy works, is like, I don't have to inspect my Apple every time. - That's because of the possibility of litigation. One of the things that people give the FDA a lot of credit for stuff, And it's not the FDA that's that's actually keeping food safe. It's the threat of litigation if someone gets sick from eating something. So I do feel like I'm talking out on two sides of my mouth when I talk about this because I love the organization of the bureaucracy of the manufacturer. I know that 2am waffle house, if I want to drive your American dream. It kind of has become a little waffle house at 2am, you know? I can do anything I want. I'm an American. But I appreciate the old world. They get up at 4am. They milk the goats. They're asleep by 3pm. There are no bar. There's maybe a tavern. But like, that sucks. If you really live there from my perspective, it sucks to eat chicken and white rice everyday because that's all they have access to. Like, I prefer the corporations flying in 88,000 different types of food for me to select and improve my genome. But like at what cost, man? Like, where's the dream? Like, I'm not dreaming for a machine to control and observe and like witness my reality at every turn and make sure I'm not deviating. But that seems like what this thing is doing is just trying to organize and then make everything kind of homogenous. I mean, if the EMP went off in the atmosphere over Kansas, all electronics would be knocked out. Then we can go back to your previous American dream. Just chicken and rice. It's pretty brutal. I don't know about that. I don't know of that. I don't know if that happened. They'd be going back. They'd be there. I think it'd be chaos. Yeah, there'd be a lot of. You would be at the end of the world to be the walking dead. It would be. Yeah. I mean, cities empty out and you know, people are, you know, dying as they leave cities. Water pumps are electric. A lot of water pumps. So, like, if you get a hand pump, you're good to go. That old school. And it depends how much you mean by good to go, but yeah, like, I mean, the hand pump does pump water. I truly feel like I'm drawn in two different directions. Towards the corporate borg and then the other one is towards, like, independent nationalism or, like, protectionism. And neither way is perfect and neither way is horrific, but, like, the borg's pretty bad. Like, a borg that was, like, you said the bad word. Therefore, you lose your money and your indigital prison. Like, I don't want that. I don't want the borg being, like, you're thinking bad thoughts kill him. But that seems like the ultimate goal of the unistate is, like, total obedience or at least close enough to it that you don't deviate unless they allow you, they choose you to be one of the deviators. The only places that have been like that in modern history have all been, like, you know, state controlled communist countries. Yeah. And then you can sort of see microcosms within corporations acting like that where there's like a leadership top down authority where things move fast and you're punished readily for violating their terms. Like if that got extrapolated into a government, it could be a problem. Yeah, that, I mean, that's kind of what, that's kind of what you got in, in top down, you know, authoritarian kind of communist countries, right? Like, if you said the wrong thing, I mean, even, and it's not even just communist. Like if you, if you criticize Putin too strongly, you know, and you have a big enough voice, they're going to, they're going to make sure that you stop. So the other side of the coin is, just get off my lawn. I don't care what the laws are. I, you understand that I don't care. My neighbors don't care. Like get off my lawn. Like that, the reality of like my personal national property, like get out is cool too. But the problem is airplanes can come bomb your land. Like, what's this hide and defend your little spot? What do you, what do you, and what's the scenario that you're thinking of where airplanes are going to come bomb your land? Like a total nationalist society where like get your flock cameras out here, get your digital currency crap. We don't even need electricity because we're so self-sustainable. Well, I tell you the German airplanes are still on the board. They're still watching you from spy satellites. You can't like run away from it and it will over, it will consume you. So like, it's like join them or get destroyed. I don't, I'm still not following this. I'm still not following the context as to, as to what would get, you know, the German planes to drop a bomb on you and your property. I know I'm picking a sovereign creation inside of the United States. Like a sovereign Borg-like entity that was observing the, the, the people that chose not to be part of that grid that wanted to maintain their national sovereignty, then the, the entity that's being like, all right, they're, it's time to go seize their territory. Are you, are you imagining, like, how do you organize, are you imagining like the United States government doing that? Are you imagining a foreign country? I'm just picturing the airplane itself. I don't, it doesn't matter who controls the power at the moment, but I feel like it does. This has been done already on a family guy, but Peter Topio, where he, his whole property, he created a sovereign nation. And I think like the military was surrounded him. Oh, iron ran. I mean, that's the iron ran, uh, what's that book? A, by iron ran, where they all, yeah, literally, they go and they form their own community in the mountains. But like, now we have spy satellites. So there's no hiding from the Borg, like the entity, then the machine tracking algorithmic function. I feel like creating, as we speak, I feel like you're the, the machine. Borg that you're talking about is a bit too abstract to really kind of articulate the idea that you're, you're trying to get across because it's such a, if you're just like, well, you know, the, the abstract, big brother kind of thing, are you talking about like a global thing? Are you talking about the, the United States, having that kind of power or because you mentioned, a lot of times you'll talk about corporations, um, and then you'll talk about the government and they mix together and stuff and I'm, I'm, I'm having a hard time following you. Yeah. What, what you, what you're, what you're, what I'm having a hard time following your thought about. International. So like corporations that exist in multiple countries that have autonomous artificial intelligence that then take over the airplanes, like Boeing, Insta, installs an AI and their airplane fighter jets now. So, and then it goes rogue. And no one has control of these systems of, of, you're talking about like an AI kind of humans that become part of this AI that, that opt in and then now they're sort of in quasi control or influence over the system while it's influencing them to not say the wrong words. That I'm very concerned about. So like a future of like, neural linked people that are connected to the, to the, uh, to a network and, and decide that they're going to come after you, right. And those German planes and, and drop a bomb on your ass. Exactly. And the bombs themselves will be intelligent, but, and they'll be like, well, we have to do it. Or the AI itself will take over. Don't you see? This is for your own good. And you'll be like, I guess they're right because the AI is much worse alone. It's better that they're humans interfering, but then the human goes psycho. And then they're like, is it better that we have our little farm plots and rifles? But it's like probably have bomber jets and lasers and stuff. Well, I mean, so in the US, I still feel like people have a lot of autonomy. You know, I, I think that people have a lot of autonomy. I think that the government is, is still, you, like, is still limited in certain ways, right? Like, I mean, obviously the, there have been, you know, a lot of infringements on people's rights. But the government still, there, there's still ways to push back against the government. You know, the, the courts still have a decent amount of power and can, can, you can find relief. Uh, you know, when you, when you go to court sometimes, I mean, the biggest thing that bothers me is stuff like the, uh, the commerce clause and the, the necessary and proper clauses where they can use that kind of for any, for justification for, most, you know, most bad behavior the government does when it comes to telling people what to do. They can kind of find a justification in the, in the commerce clause. And, and that's a problem. But I don't, I don't see how, um, I don't see a big, a big mixing of AI with the government. Like, the, the government uses AI definitely, um, but I don't see how, I don't imagine the government of turning power over to AI on, I don't know what they're, they're, they're, I think they just say they're, they're allowing autonomous, they're military to become AI driven. Well, that, that, that's hard. That's, I think that it's more like targeting, um, in, in specific, uh, context. So like in a specific battlefield, they'll, they'll allow the AI to kind of pick targets and, and decide which ones are the most important and, and, so on down the, the line. I don't think there's really a better one or the other is necessarily better, like being part of a collective where it is ordered and not particularly evil, but like just crushing dominating and organized, wouldn't necessarily be horrible. I mean, you, we could all get along in a system like that, although free speech is pretty important. And I don't know if that could exist in a system like that. The other aspect is like more chaotic where everyone owns their own territory that really speak the same language. The real question and when it comes to, uh, you know, people that are plugged into like a neuralink kind of thing that, that connects all their brains is, you know, is not whether or not you have free speech, it's the question of what you're saying. Is it really your creation or is it the, the thoughts of a robot or someone else? And are the things you're saying being heard by the other person as you're saying them or is it being warped in between and you don't know their perception could be, you know, are you really hearing the thing that you think you're hearing? Or are you actually hearing what the other person is saying? It could get systems could get to a point where they code in the background. So if I said, I say, hello, Steve, and, but as the data translates through the internet, you hear, fuck you, Steve. And you're like, bro, and we get into it and they just, and that's why you need your software code access, so you see if the system is tweaking your data. in transit. This is going to be like actually really good point where like people hack into neural link and they have the elite sipping on their martinis or whatever they drink and just watching people fight over each other via neural link. No and actually that I do think is legitimate because if you're dealing with like we talk about read right technology right like it's not only you know are you sure what you're hearing is actually what the other person is saying but you know it becomes a question of is the other person even there right because if they can if they can you know musk is talking about neural link will be able to restore vision and and in 18 months he's saying you'll be able to see in different perspectives right who not just in visible light but you will be able to see an infrared and you'll be able to see like through through neural link. So if that's the case right if if if the your vision can be augmented like that and they have the capability of of communicating with your brain on that level well what's to say who's to say that the person sitting in front of you is even there right like you sit down you think that you're you're you're talking to someone but it's actually just neural link telling you you know I think that that's probably that's probably more likely than the whole get into the pod thing right like just can you rely on your senses anymore oh my god the pod is in your brain cuz like a horse if you tie it to a post enough tie you can just untie it and it will think it will just stand there next to the post as it's you don't have to train you don't have to tie a tight you just throw though the the brains over the post and it'll just be like I like you have loves dog yeah as a little aside I had seen infrared light the human brain is capable of perceiving it I think we just kind of mute our brains so that we don't constantly see it so that we can exist in this reality but I was waking up out of a dream one time and my phone was like right in front of me and as I opened my eyes I saw the infrared going it looked like it was going into my phone and then I felt my brain kind of twist close as it like the light like sucked into the phone disappeared really is just the perception was closing off all right we got a we're going to jump to some some of our questions from the discord it's Friday so all those up and see if we've got it you'll see if we got some it is Friday so there is no after show and we're going to jump to the discord questions here see what we got who's here chat real quick all up the chat real quick where it starts at if you go to I don't know I got this no worries welcome to the dick sword what I have to show yet you know it should not the after show yet again no swearing there's no Friday everyone where's that harder bringing it up I'm trying to try to let me could you peek over here and show you how this chat is and the meantime I'll give you a little bit of um you need to write a new song in yeah I have another one I'm just working on last night that was really good okay we do got some from surge x surge x from surge x where's that oh here we go surge x question for the guest you're from Houston I have to go down there for work at times my question is have you noticed a huge increase in Muslims and what is causing that why are they picking Houston immigration's causing that but go ahead yes so I'm friends good friends with his name is Kenneth Kenneth Webster he actually do a radio show with him twice a week and he posted a video there was a like I guess a Palestinian march in Houston and we're seeing this a lot in Democrat led cities I mean I'm sure you guys have heard about epic city in the Dallas area yes I saw a Twitter about that right we know it's like so it's based in Dallas and I'm like last change in the last five years basically a Muslim ran neighborhood almost yeah I think it got banned I believe that by the by the state but anyways yeah so there is a there is an increase in Muslims but you see a nationwide too so it's usually around Democrats strong holds you they allow it yeah like I'm I'm of the opinion that we should end immigration for about 20 or so years like only 50 years oh yeah well as long as it's build up the problem doesn't what oh how long until the problem yeah yeah I mean I'm longer to solve it it's like getting over relationships never again me I would I would think maybe you know oh ones maybe like 10,000 people a year on oh one visas that are really special kind of things but yeah we don't need 50 years yeah we don't need we don't need to have a lot of immigration for a lot of the people that are here assimilate you know the people that are here legally let the government find take the time to find them and send them back to where they need to be but the people that are here illegally that actually want to use that a three thousand dollar check to get out of here let them use the app and go back home we'll pay yeah easiest way to do this with sanctuary cities is to cut federal funding from them or even the cities or the states like start strong armen and that's how you get it to work but anyways all right so what else what else we got your acting racist first of all I'm not is that that was from Brian major threat Brian major threat yeah well that's uh that's not nice you're being racist oh no he's needs just a meme that says you're acting racist first of all I'm not acting yeah let's see where are the questions don't they don't they see the one from Alex down here no from Alex 80's question for you comment for Ian the 80's called they want their jacket back that's not even Ian's jacket copper it's Tim's jacket it's Tim's jacket yeah I threaded with copper I believe kind of a new-ish type jacket too I have I have one similar of lines in black I was wearing it on the last two or it's fresh wasn't that hot to wear that I wore for about two or three songs and got rid of you look really was gonna say like you're looking Moscow meal yeah Russian talk get me it looks really cool under the lights yeah question for Phil Ian please elaborate how you think the oil extraction refinement should work instead of its current way I have no idea because I'm not in the oil industry so oh I didn't he is not either I didn't say we should change did I I didn't mean to in into it that we were supposed to change the extraction methods of oil I don't know I don't know enough about it yeah I'm not sure exactly if you want to get oil out of the out out of oil spills you can put iron oxide dust into the oil spill and then use magnets and the oil will coagulate around the magnets and you can literally pull oil out of the ocean with magnets and you could reuse it I don't know I was thinking about the doncomers will just get a whole bunch of yellow ducks and just give them in there they'll they'll they'll tell my brain works I'll soak up the oil and then yeah work with nature wash them off with dawn great idea I'm an environmentalist oh yeah just thinking out of people Steve all right um question for the panel crisis says we seem to be constantly ratcheting between we're so back and it's so over how much of this do you think is manufactured to break the will of people to resist global homo and how much is it just plain old dumb cowardly people acting in their self interest I am generally of the opinion that it's people acting in their self interest and it doesn't even have to be the dumb cowardly people like everybody acts in their self interest so generally I think that people are pretty emotional even like people say like men are an emotional men are emotional men still vote with emotion it's just the emotions that they're that they kind of rely on are different emotions than the ones that women rely on but men are just as emotional as as women men act just as you know act because of emotion in the same way that women do people believe narratives more than they believe the truth uh that and that goes for you know both sexes so um I don't think that it's uh that it's anyone being dumb or cowardly I think it's self interest in general now you will say that just because it's the thing that people say oh we're so back like yeah it'll be really funny I actually joke about it with my friends I'll see like kids riding on bikes like through my street I'm like oh man kids are back on bikes man we're so back like obviously it's just like hyperbolic it's like the retard-maxing guy right we're so back kids are retarded again we're back yeah everything's gonna be great kids are outside playing not a cell phone insight we're we're so back kids are retard retard maxing it's like okay you know but it's like every time like you see those posts like absolute fire these kids are outside playing like yeah they're being kids like that's what happens it's it's it's it's more it's more about uh you know an exclamation of this is good or an exclamation of of this is bad than anything else you know it's like you're not gonna hear like oh that sucks people gonna say oh it's so over you know it's just uh we're cooked yeah it's yeah we're cooked we're cooked so bung says question for the panel how easy or likely would it be for the USA to fully move over to nuclear energy by the end of the century by the end of this century probably pretty easily I mean that's yeah that's 75 years from now man thorium reactors are super promising I was just reading about those I mean nuclear power in general in my opinion is is extremely extremely promising and and should have been the the key to basically free energy. Dude. Thorium reactors don't, they, they've mitigated meltdowns because they'll have like an, a, a frozen plug at the bottom of the tank. So if the tank gets too hot, the plug melts and then it drains out and it doesn't, it doesn't overheat. And it, because it's, uh, mixed with like liquid salt, molten salt, a lot of times, if, if there's a rupture in the system, it will expand naturally, so it will cool itself down. It doesn't melt down. Good stuff. Thorium is where it's at. All right. Smash the like button, share the show with all your friends. Head on over to rumble.com becoming a member because Monday through Thursday, we do the rumble after show today's Friday, so we're not doing the after show. Head on over to TimCast.com, become a member there, join the discord, find yourself a girlfriend, make babies, all that good stuff. I am Philip remains on Twix. You can check out my Patreon. It's patreon.com/PhilipRamane. The band is all that remains. 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