Michael Strahan on Championship Sunday, Super Bowl Predictions, Sack Records and Life After the NFL | EP 177

That's gonna be a fun matter right there. - Yeah, through young, up and coming, get both of them at the top of their game right now, I'm excited for that matter. - You know what's so funny, man, where we're watching the game, and JSN gets to catch us a touchdown. How he's like, "Michael, it doesn't look like he's working." And I'm like, "How in the world, "if you got to cover anybody, that's to do." How does he get open? And you know what, how he said to me, he goes, "That's the same thing we said about Kelsey." (laughing) - Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a one-dream show brought to you by Xfinity. (laughing) They got that best deal ever, five-year thing. We're gonna talk about it later. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kels, he's my big brother, Jason Kelsey, rocking the same hoodies from the old New Heights Clubhouse. Out of the University of Cincinnati, Cleveland Heights, a love shout out to Cleveland Heights. Well, Cincinnati alum and Cleveland Heights alum. Subscribe on YouTube once we plus wherever you get your podcasts. And follow the show on all social media @NewHeightShow with one S mentioned the Kelsey Clubhouse, that's dot com. If you want to check out anything Kelsey, anything New Heights, Jason, why don't you tell everyone that's listening what we have coming up with. - 90% is we got a great episode as we do everyone. You think that's right. We're gonna touch a little bit of that championship Sunday as well as look ahead to Super Bowl 60. - Damn, Super Bowl 60. - Yeah, you know what else I like? - Michael Strahan is here. - Strahan! - That's right! - The one and only, we're gonna talk his career, giant Super Bowl run, and so much more. - Oh, yeah. - Before we get any of that, we're gonna start with some of that new news. - New news. - New news is brought to you by sleep number. - How about it? - Such a comfy sleep. - Every single time, Jason, do you know your sleep number? - It changes, I think right now, it's a 55. - Ooh. - You are a soft sleeper. - What are you, you firm? - Yeah, I'm a little firmer. I'm around the 70s. I like a good 70. - I have fluctuation between 55 and 65. - Nice. - All right, Trav, you're officially a mattress man. - Yeah, baby. I am the mattress man. I'm selling mattresses worldwide, baby. - And there's a song that sounds like a mattress man. 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But I do prefer, I do prefer sleep number beds now, but the other thing that the hotel like dude, you want to talk about something that grinds your gears. These fucking goddamn temperature regulators and telling me how hot or cold I could put a room at that I fucking paid for. Fuck you. That's what I gotta say. Fuck you. Sleeping in this goddamn room, sweating my ass off, not getting any sleep. It's fucking bullshit is what it is. - I love you. - It pisses me off so fucking bad. - I'm under this fucking, I'm under this fucking, yes fucking sweating, perfume. - Well, let you go colder than what? - I don't even think it fucking does anything. I gotta try to put a colder. There's no way it's that temperature in the room. It's fucking hot as shit. I'm just down to the sheet and the sheet is uncomfortable. Just sleep on that. I like a little bit more weight on top of me. I'm under this fucking knot and useless because I'm fucking sweating so bad. I try, I try to Jimmy ring it. It doesn't even work. That's how I know these thermos have to don't even work. I take the hairdryer out of the cabinet and I position it as well like the thermos now. So that thanks to rooms 98 degrees, it still doesn't get colder in that motherfucker. These thermos that don't do fucking shit in these hotel rooms. The only way it works is if it has, if it's on a, what's one of those called? The only way it works is if the hotels have the, one of the ones where the unit is in the room. It's not like a centralized air system. It's like mini splits. If there's a mini split in the hotel room, perfect. It should be a law requirement that you have to have a mini split in the hotel recording in the room. But this is why I'm not running on the same old AC that the hallways on. That's what I'm saying. Fuck that. Anyways, back to sleep number. Yeah, this is why I'm with sleep number. 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I used to sleep on the stomach, but now I'm just laying my back and just past the fuck out. Hey, sleeping like Dolly Parton now. I get it. It's harder to sleep on the stomach. (laughing) I fancy myself a side sleeper. It's your right side, left side. You just go back and forth all night. Yeah, I go back and forth. My shoulders get sore. So I got to switch and switch it up, but I like to sleep on the side. I'm predominantly sleeping on the left side, but I'll switch over to the right side to even it out. According to these pictures, I'm not quite as curled up as a fetus. And I'm not quite the was that the uriner? Yeah. Somewhere in between a fetus and a uriner is where I'm sleeping. Yeah, I'm, I usually have, I guess I'm more of a little in between the legs. Pillow in between the legs. I'm not the soldier, but I'm the starfish for sure. Like I'll go like, yeah, I'll go like, I'll sleep on like the outer hip and I'll still have my shoulders flat. And I sleep like that. My mouth is dry as fuck, and it's usually because I've passed out drunk and I'm sitting in that position. (laughs) Chalk drawing on the sidewalk where the guys just dead. I don't sleep like this either. I'll sleep like here and here. You know what I mean? Like my, I'm not just like straight up. Are you a split down the middle of the sleep number? Are you full sleep, nope. Full sleep. It's not the best for cuddling. I like the full mattress 'cause I like to roll into it, roll out of it. And if we're both, if I'm sitting up, we're both sitting up. It's really good for getting actual good sleep 'cause now Kylie likes to put her side up 'cause she's especially when she's been pregnant. She really enjoys the ability to set up the top. - There you go. - And for me, when I snore, she can just raise my side and then I stop snoring magically, so. There's a lot of benefits to independent top usage that we certainly enjoy. - I'm excited about this partnership with sleep number. 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And that about wraps up new news, which is brought to you by sleep number, my new exciting part. - All right, let's get into some bold topics brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. - I say we do it, Jason, you wanna do the honors? - All right, our guest today is a six foot five defense event from Texas Southern University because a seven time pro-boiler, six time old pro 2001 defense player of the year, two time Emmy winner, a Peabody Award winner, a Super Bowl champion, and a member of the pro and college football hall of fame. - Damn! - You know him from $100,000 a pyramid, good morning, America, fox, NFL Sunays, literally been to space. He is still the record holder for the most sacks in a 16 game season. - Ninety-two headers, please welcome Michael Streethead. - Yeah! - I ain't gonna lie, man. That was the best introduction I've ever had. - Come on now. - That's the best I've ever had, and obviously, I didn't realize I did all this shit. That's the best part, man. When you got this many things, it's easy to forget, but man, you've been on some incredible things, Mike. - Yeah, it's been fun, man. It's been fun. - What's your favorite thing on that list right here? - What's your most pro football, Super Bowl, Super Bowl? - Yeah, yeah. - It's always good. - Yeah, yeah. You know what, you're a player of the year, all that stuff, and pro-boils is great, but as you guys know, when you win a Super Bowl, it's like, you can celebrate that together with the guys, and I'm still on a group chat with all the guys on the D-Lod. Every day, we're hitting each other up. It's either questions, memes, support each other, whatever encouraged each other, or just flat out cracking jokes on each other, like we did in the locker room, so. - Hey, who's the biggest character in that group chat? Every group chat has one guy that's like, "Oh, man, you know, OC, you know, OC the trip, OC lives in London now." He does NFL, he does the NFL broadcast, and I'm very, very proud of him, 'cause he's in London during the NFL show, and he's won the equivalent of an Emmy in London for a year, years ago, for the show. So it's the equivalent of somebody here in the US winning an Emmy for cricket. We'd be like, "What did that school do?" So OC is good, amazing. But I notice every time I talk to him, or I listen to him, all of a sudden he's got the deep English accent, I'm like, "Oh, man." - He went over there and just got a little just. (laughing) - No, he went to Troy. - You went to Troy. - You look at Atlanta. - Yo, man. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing) - Well, he's the character. All the guy that character, then they're all right. - That's great, I love that. - Listen, the D-line is notorious for being the one room in the entire building that just has just one on top of another, top of another just different lifestyles, different, but different dudes, and just some of the funniest guys ever, man. I don't know if you spent a lot of time with Chris Jones, but he is one of my favorite people of all time. I guarantee you, he would light up that group chat, like no one else can. (laughing) - Well, I tell you what, man, I got a chance to see Chris this season. We came to your guy, when you got to play dumb, the Eagles and on the road, we were in Kansas City. And I got a chance to see Chris after the game. And I tell you what, man, I love the dude. - I wish I could have played with him. - I'm telling you, man. - He's unblockable. - And then no one spags defense, because spags helped me when I was Super Bowl. - Oh yeah. - I would love, man, I love the play with Chris. - Let's get into it, man. I gotta ask you, you're already messing my guy. He coached spags, man. He's one of my favorite guys. And one, because it's so challenging, obviously we get to work with him throughout the year in the off seasons and in training camps and stuff like that. I get to experience what it feels like, the frustration of how much he has in that defensive playbook and everything, but he's also one of the best humans that I've ever met in my life. And it often feels on the field. He's one of the best motivators. Tell me, tell me, you got any good spags stories that aren't out there from your days playing for him? - Well, I would tell you, a spag is one of the nicest humans. His wife Maria, they bake cookies for this. - Oh yeah. - I had some of the best lemon cello I've ever had from the spags I was told. And say, what the thing is, the crazy kids, I have no bad stories on here, 'cause he's such a good guy, but I will tell you this. The year of my life here in the league, we start out, oh and two. We give up 80 points in two games against the Cowboy the first week and then I think 45. And we give up 35 to get screen beta second week. And spags comes into the meaty room on, oh, you know guys, you think you're gonna so open that meat room and you're going to just let everybody have it. You're like, oh, yeah. We garbage, we gonna hear our garbage, we are. - Dude walks in and goes, hey, I want you guys to know. Just trust what we're doing. Trust the defense. There's not one of you that I would trade for anybody else out there in the league. Now, I know he was lying. - Yeah. (laughing) - I had a few guys. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. - But he made us believe in like, okay, just stick with it. Believe in the system, believe in it's due, believe in each other. And we just turned it around, man. And all that, I contribute all that to spags that making us feel good when we should have, most coaches make you feel bad. - I do gotta ask you, 'cause one of the things that stands out with spags is his blitzes, right? He can give it from every single direction, zero, zone blitz, man pressures, games, all that stuff. But I know it's a defense alignment. That's not always what you all want to do, right? Especially when you're the great Michael Strahan, sack leader, coach, don't have me slaying an anglin. Just let me beat the crap out of this tackle right here. What did you feel like playing in that system? I'm assuming he probably called less blitzes with you on the field. Pilly didn't need to bring more than four, quite obvious. - There you go. You know what, I'll be honest with you. I've always been a nice guy, man, I really am. But in the days of football, I was a different nice, right? There you go, go, there you go. - You know, we all have a switch. We're nice guys, people know when I, but it's the switch, like I get out there, and I'm a whole different thing. - Got to be. - After the survival, I'm trying to, all right, guys, guys, like you too. I can't, if you're trying to kill me, I gotta survive, right? So I hate it, the slants and stuff, what my thing, but I would do whatever, but don't make me drop. - Yeah, you know, even though I do have a few picks in my career, one against one. - Right, yeah. - I could get more touchdown. But don't make me drop. Why do you drop in the best past rushers, and you got these little lightning ass dunes running in there getting rejected from the club? (laughing) - The music is thrown out of there, like you. - Yeah, they'll still come in the club with fake IDs. - Yeah, but I just didn't like drop in. I love past rushers, you know what I love most though? I love playing the run more than I love playing the past. - Well, that's a private. - Absolutely. - I don't hear a lot of DN say that. What's, so what, why did you say that? Just because there's more like toughness, more like, inserting a wheel, like what is it? - 100%. And I, I, I felt like it was toughness, it was inserting your wheel. It was literally, I can take the life out of a guy. I look in your eye, and I can see if you wanted to be there, not, and that was important to me. I wanted to look in your soul, I wanted to take your soul, and I was gonna just go every play. I just looked at like this. You and me, every play. I ain't gonna quit, let's see what you gonna do. And when we turn on that tape tomorrow, and we watching it, I will not be embarrassed in front of my teammate. (laughing) - We gotta, we gotta just jump into it, man. My guy Greg Olsen, man. He told us an amazing story last week on our, on our episode with him about his welcome to the NFL moment, where they decided to run power as a rookie at Michael Strayhand. - We had a home game, my rookie year, in '07, and Michael Strayhand is playing like, I don't know if he was in a four point stance, but he felt like he was like at eight point stance, and he was playing, he was playing six technique, right? So he was like on my head, but he was the worst. And like, you go too far inside, and he just caves you down. You stay on his outside shoulder, and he just presses you back. And I'm like, I'm gonna bring everything I got. Everything I got, I'm bringing it. Well, he like, two gaps me, he locks me out, presses me, head no, no, he takes me into the full back, into the backside pulling guard. - Oh no. - And like, and I was like, I ran off the field. - Swap the hole. I guess you threw 'em across the line of scrimmage onto the other A gap. Do you remember this play? - I do not. - How do I say this? - No, that was just a regular Sunday. You know what I'm saying? (all laughing) You know, I don't remember to play, but I did have this thing where my first coach in the league, Earl Leggett, Reston piece of Earl Leggett, he was how he coaches coach with the Raiders back in the day, and that's why how he and I always been so tight. But Earl, man, he worked as more than anybody. I couldn't survive more than two or three years than a league without him, could he taught me? Technique that lasted my whole career. And I just couldn't rely on being athletic. But Earl had this thing. He said, if any tied in and this league blocks you son, you should be ashamed of yourself. - That's a shame. - Anytime I saw a tied in, it was like, I'm going to literally, I gotta kill you. Like I gotta murder you right now. I cannot murder you. (all laughing) I watched the coach and Earl would talk bad to you. Oh, he talks so bad to you. Oh, Kirk, you got to fight him. I can't go out there. I'm too old to fight for you son. (all laughing) He was saying some other thing that cannot say on the podcast. They're giving me a trouble. I love good old ballcoes, man. - It literally made every tie-in. I lined up against me, like Salabate, because I knew I had to embarrass him. I couldn't be dealt with like that. But I'm glad Greg remembered it. That's what's important. - There you go. - That's right. - But I love Greg, he's the best too, by the way. - The best, you know it. - Yeah, that's too funny, man. I had to ask you about it. We mentioned earlier that you're the sack leader for 16 games, you made the comment. Obviously, congratulated Miles Garrett and gave him his flowers for, 'cause I unbelievable feat that he accomplished as well being the sack leader for 17 games. But have you heard the claim that Bubba Baker, our Bubba Baker actually has the sack record from his rookie season in 1978? - Okay, I dispute that. (laughing) - My question is, what would Michael Strahan be doing to an offensive lineman in 1978? - Oh, Michael. (laughing) - Well, at seven years old, I'd be getting out there, getting beaten up. (laughing) - You know what, he might, I don't, they didn't keep the records until later, which reason I dispute is not for myself. When I was coming up, man, one thing that I loved, it's that I, a guy that I admire, like Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Chris Dolman, Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, every time I got a chance to meet these guys, they like took me under the wing. And we're really quite to me, man. I couldn't believe it. But the one guy, the older of all of them, would deacon Jones. - Deacon Jones, man. - That head slap baby, let's go. - Exactly. And Deacon, here's a ringin' right now. - When you say his name, my ears rub. - It's crazy. - Deacon swore to me, he had a hundredths act to the seat. (laughing) - I'm telling you. - He swore he had a hundredths act, man. (laughing) - Oh, that's fucking ridiculous, man. - He swore by it. He's basically like, I don't even know what the debate is. - I have a hundred, what's it? (laughing) - Sometimes talking to those old school football guys, man, is just the fucking best, man. - Oh, yeah, even Bruce Smith is one of my favorites and like my brother, man, and Bruce really took me on this wing, played a lot of golf with Bruce and just spent a lot of time with him. And Bruce orchestrated the 100-sack club. So after Super Bowl, you get like all the guys, they have at least a hundred sacks get together. And so Bruce gets in front of the room and Bruce goes, hey, I'm glad everybody showed up at the 100-sack club and everything else. I was gonna do a 200-sack club, but I didn't wanna be here by myself. (laughing) I only took you 25 years. (laughing) We didn't wanna play that long, damn it. - Right. (laughing) - That's too funny. - Your name and all these greats, I gotta know, what's your Mount Rushmore of Sack leader? Mount Rushmore of Divets Alignment getting after the quarterback? - Geez, I mean, they were interior guys and they were outside guys. - So let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. - Let's see, let's see, let's see. - Okay, let's see, let's see, let's see. - Outside guys, I would say Bruce Smith, I would say Reggie White, I would say Miles Garrett. Put yourself on if you want. Feel free. - You know what, I'll put myself, honestly, in the top two or three of all-around defense events ever to play. - Okay. - 'Cause I played to run as well, that I played it past. It wasn't like, hit a running back. If you happen to have the ball on the way to the quarterback, so I'll put myself in that realm. But as far as my whole thing is, I saw a football late, man. I mean, I played one year in high school. I was living in Germany, I wouldn't play a football. - So you were in Germany all the way up until you were 18? - Yeah, you have 17, 17. And so I came over and I played one year. My dad was like, "Go to get a scholarship." And I think if you don't tell your kids what they can't do, they could do anything. And my dad, 'cause like it was guaranteed, you're gonna get a scholarship. Next thing you know, I get a one scholarship, the Texas Southern University. I was like, "Dad, I don't know." He's like, "Well, don't you know it's free?" That's where you go. (laughing) And then he's like, "When you make it to the pros?" And when you do this and when you do that. So my dad was always that win, not an if guy, which was important. Like I do that with my kids, like win, win, win, win. Never if, never give down. So I came to the Giants. I mean, I was at TSU, man. I was just basically relying on athletic ability. Just running and working until a guy got tired and then I'd make plays. But I had no first three, four years. I didn't know the game of football, you know. I was always behind. So I always wonder what it would have been like had I had the opportunity to learn football at the earlier age. But I'm kind of glad I didn't because it always made me interested. Always. I'm always interested in football now. Like I watch stuff now. I'm still interested in the game. I didn't beat myself up. I feel better now than I felt when I retired. So yeah, I got lucky. I got really lucky. That's awesome, man. When you came over, when you were 17 and 18, I believe you were with Archstrihan, right, your uncle? Oh, my uncle, yeah. I stayed my uncle. And he played, he played a little bit in the league, right? Did you learn like at least the basics and understanding, you know, the old, put your forehead right through the chin? Or, man, I came over and stayed with my uncle. I didn't know, really, I was green. If there was a color deep as green, you could find. That was how green I was. My uncle would take me in the front yard 'cause he played seven years in the league. Oilers, Falc, it's a, he would take me in the front yard, man. He would just be slapping me around. This is how you, this is how you fuse the art. And you know, my uncle's like six, seven country ass wrong. He go hands, man. He just beat this teenage rep for the yard. But hey, I went through it and I looked back. I could laugh at it. Be it a TSU, Walter Heismith, my head coach, who's son, Alonzo Heismith, the first round pick out of University of Miami, back in those Jimmy Johnson days. His dad was tough. He would make us run gassers in, you know, Texas, 100 something degrees. At the devil leaning to get the gold post, wait for you to pass out. It's that hot. And he would say, we're gonna run until somebody turns into a scholarship. No, give up your scholarship. Oh. Passing out, I would have fell out. I was just okay. But no, to give up your scholarship. And we had, and we thought he was joking. Man, wasn't joking. I ain't just dude was a beat. But when I came to the pros, it was like, you can't kill me, I've been to hell already. You guys are arguing, you don't have shoes, I want the same pair of cleats and practice in the game, every season, if you don't see them. I get new pair of the shoes every week. This is crazy. You are bringing up something. No, but this is something I've thought about where, you know, there's so much sports science in like load management and like stuff now where, I feel like if you've never pushed yourself to the extremes, how do you really know how far you can go, right? And 100% when I went to college, I used to think I knew what hard work was. And then they got put me through a workout in the weight room, Jordan Roth. And I couldn't even lift my shoulders above my, my hands were on my shoulders by the end of it. One of those workouts. And I was like, bro, what is this? I've never worked out of my life. I know what I was working hard. I don't know what hard work was. I think it's so important for young players or even something you got to work out as an adult too. They got to push yourself, man, right? In the harder I've found it, I pushed myself playing football, the easier the game became. The more I studied, the easier the game became. I would be the last one to get my stance because I'm just looking and looking at formations going. I know they ain't going to run this way. They're only going to be able to do this out of that. Like you knew and if you got old, if you really paid a tent to became the student, the game slowed down and became easier. But you got to work at it. And the harder I've worked in sports, like now everybody's going, you work so hard, you're here. You're there. I'm like, you don't understand what hard work was. When you're in training camp and you guys know two of days, and you got to put those wet past and it's still wet from the day before on to get into somebody who you don't want to feel like running into again and fighting for the next two hours. You land on the ground, the stretch and it's still got that cold morning dew on it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can't think about it. You're trying to peel yourself out of the bed. That's hard work. Talking for a living. If I knew it was this good, I've done it a long time ago. (laughing) That is so good. So perfect. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Xfinity! Xfinity is a proud partner of Team USA for the upcoming Olympic winner games. Let's go, baby. I'm pumped to watch Team USA crush it as always. As always. I love seeing them every time I get a chance. One of the great regrets of being a football player is you don't get to represent your country. The Olympics are incredible. 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Let's work for us more work for Brandon. Thanks, guys. I never mind doing more work for you. But that's right, guys. Adobe's got new features like PDF spaces, which basically helps you pull anything from the internet that you might want and let's just call it a podcast into one document and figure out where it goes a lot faster. Usually, we put together a show. We have to dig through a lot of articles, game notes, box scores, highlights, screenshots of tweets, whatever Jake was mad about the jets doing that week. It's a lot of stuff that goes into making the show. And honestly, the second that's toughest to put together is stamp of the week. There's actually a lot more nominees that we never really even show you guys. We look through everything from game highlights, what's going on on the internet. I watched a bunch of clips of people in Philadelphia going crazy in the snow. That was my personal stamp of the week. But we can drop everything into one PDF space and this tool can take it all into one document, put it there, organize it. We can ask the AI assistant, "Hey, AI assistant, based on everything here, who is the strongest stamp of the nominee?" And why? Do we end up just yelling out names to each other? Yes, but before that, we can actually have some kind of plan of attack. - Well, I think you intern Brandon, you're the best intern podcast get ever asked. Faster prep and better picks so we can get more done together. - That's right, learn more to doby.com/dothatwithacrobate. - I know. - All right, before we touch on more of your career, Mike, we want to talk its championships Sunday. Let's talk about currently, all right? We got the shoe bowl coming up. Let's talk about Patriots defeating the Broncos. What do you think of the game? - Oh, man. Oh, Patriot Broncos game, I thought, I thought the Broncos hit a one-to-game. - How are you? - How are you? - Yeah, I felt like the Broncos hit a one-to-game. I felt like Houston should have won the game. Houston had some bad bounces that went their way on some straps. I've stripped fumbles and all that stuff. - If they recover a couple of them fumbles, we'll gamble everybody wants to get on them. I'll give them a cup of sacks. He fell on those two fumbles and saved them. - And I know nobody tries to play bad, but CJ Stroud just need to give him something, man. He had to give him something. And I felt bad for the kid because I liked the kid, but in big moments like that is when you really need to show up, like everyone talks about Eli Manning's record is 150, 150, whatever it may be. But in the biggest of moments, that can't show up. Always showed up in the biggest moments. And that is the mark of a real like, that's how you get over the hump and really get yourself out there as big moments you rise up. But against Denver, I thought that they should have kicked that field goal. Gone up. - I know, early on. - Already on. Take the point. - You knew it was gonna be a low scoring game. Just take it. - Yeah, but I don't get these off these coaches now. Because fourth down now is automatic, go forward. More than it's not. And I get analytics, but you gotta fill the team. You gotta fill the situation. You gotta, you know, I gotta back a quarterback and it's whether it's whether it's awful. - I felt that naked coming from as soon as they thought about. 'Cause I believe they call it a timeout to think about it. - Yep. - I felt it from that point. I'm like, man, they're about to run a little play. I actually boot. - And I felt bad for Sean Payton. 'Cause Sean Payton coached me back in 2000 or something like that. I love Sean. And I talked to him a day before the game. Very confident what they were doing. But in playoffs, I felt like just take the points man. Take the point, put pressure on New England, especially on the road to beat you with a great defense like they have. - And their defense had been playing great up into that point, right? Like it was just like man. - And the Patriots defense ain't bad. So you need to take the points that you can freaking get. - When you can, yeah, I hear you. - And I think Seattle game was great. I mean, that was a great game. But Rams had opportunities that fourth downstop on the fourth and goal. - Real resume, yep. - The Muff punt. That really was kind of a big turning point of the game. Even though the Rams came right down and answered. But I'm happy for Sam Darnell. - So happy for that dude, man. - Yeah, I played in New York. It's hard, man. And he comes in here at the third overall pick. Doesn't go well, gets beat down mentally, physically. And then five teams in eight years. And everyone thinks he's washed. And then he goes to Minnesota plays well last year. But then they get beaten to play also. And they're like, he's done. It's guy can't play. Why see, I don't pay him all this money. Well, now you see why. - I mean, it's been awesome to see the resurgence and see him answer the critics again. You're always room for the guys that have been downed out and to answer that. - His ability to take that heat from everybody and still be the calm, cool, collected candidate he is, the confident guy he is in his abilities, man. I'm fucking, I've always been a big fan of his, man. And it's cool to see him finally get it, dog. But I'm with you. I thought the Broncos had a really, really fucking good chance. Even with the backup Stin AM in, man. They could have gone either way for him. - But what do you feel about the Super Bowl, though? What do you two feel about the Super Bowl? - Well, we don't have to talk about that now since you've got to talk about it, Jason. - You know, I've learned about this TV deal. You can't give all your speakers right now. You've got to hold some back. (laughing) - We ain't holding back over here. - You know, I think it's obviously, you know, the Seahawks look like the favorite, right? Their defense has been so good all year round. That offense has been fantastic. Pat's offense has struggled throughout the playoffs. Now, they played some unbelievable defenses, right? They played the chargers. They played the Houston Texans. Then they've just played the Broncos. They're gonna give another test for the Seahawks who have another amazing defense. - Yeah. - I don't know that people are given New England's defense, including myself, enough credit. Like, I thought the Broncos, I was like, I don't think the Patriots are gonna move the ball on the Broncos, but I didn't really think about as much as like this New England defense. The last really three, four weeks is playing really good football. The way they're blitzing, they're doing a good job of mixing up these max pressures and these zone drops and simulated pressures. I just think they're doing a great job as an entire unit right now. So if I'm picking, I'm going to Seattle. But I'm looking forward to a good game. What do you think? - Well, I mean, Travis, you're still planned, officially, so you can't say nothing, okay? - I can't say anything. I'll say this now. I mean, I'm at least interested in the big matchup on the outside of the numbers. Now, that's gonna be a fun fucking matchup right there. Through young up and coming, get both of them at the top of their game right now, I'm excited for that matchup. You know what's so funny, man? Where we're watching a game and JSN gets catcher the touchdown, just catching balls, confercing, doing all these things. And we're like, it doesn't look like he's working. How he's like, Michael, it's just like he's working. So he catches that touchdown lot open. And I'm like, how in the world, if you got to cover anybody, that's the truth. How do you get open on him? And you know what? How he said to me? He goes, that's the same thing we said about Kelsey. (laughing) There's everybody know he's gonna get the ball. How the hell can he get open? And I think I said that to you. Like, it's not that pretty, man. I was like, dude, I got a hell. But it's gonna be, that's gonna be a great matchup, man. It really, I think Seattle have the edge. I feel like they're just, they're physically a dominant team. I am a Leonard William of these guys. I don't think it's gonna be a cakewalk because we all know from our win against the Patriots. One game. Football's not like the other sports. You get the best of. If you don't show up with your best at one day, it's a wrap. So, I don't think, I feel like Seattle, but anything can happen of course. - Right there with you dog. - Let me ask you this. A lot of people complain about that Broncos game this past week because of the weather. Where do you stand on snow games? - It's fun. What are you talking about? - Are you kidding me? - Yeah, it's fun. - I knew you'd be in a room, man. - No, man. You know what? I was like, man, when you hit somebody and you just slide. - You know what, if it's fun. - Now, if you were to ask me, how is it to be like 25 degrees and raining? That's when I'm out there looking going, "Ooh, what is this over?" Cold rain is different than snow, that's a good point. - Well, I prefer to. - I prefer, I love snow. I love rain, warm rain. Part of my favorite thing of all. - Oh, interesting. I like sitting outside in the rain. I don't know why I just said that, man. (laughing) - Let's go. - Are you in the rain or are you covered? - No, I like being undercover. - Garage open. - No, a rain? Oh, okay, yeah, I like that. I thought you just walking out there with sitting in the rain. - I'm screaming, I'm like, it seems like that's something that needs a little deeper discussion when you're in a private sitting with a somebody called a therapist. - That's too good, man. - All right, let's go back to when you were in the Super Bowl, man. Did the 2007 Giants have the hardest path to the Super Bowl ever? - Ever? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say, yeah. - I mean, we were, we were 16. - We had to go to Tampa, wasn't too worried about Tampa. - We had to go through John Brun in the books. - Then once we went to Dallas, I think, a lot of you. All my stomp you out, speech you, that if you look chronologically, chronologically, I was like, stop them out. Dude, they're talking all kinds of greetings. We got to Dallas, I'm like, yo, it's been a pleasure playing with you, yeah. (laughing) - All right, let's get beat. This could be it, 15 years, I'm done with nothing. And so that, they, 'cause they were stack, man. And then we go to Ben, and you're in Green Bay, and all your, like, the history, history, history. They're like brainwashing you on TV, and you're sitting in your hotel room, and it was so cold that you had a cup of water warm water, and you threw it up, and you just turned into, like, - That's crazy. - That was so cold, man. But, yeah, well, I think we had the toughest road, and then we played the only team. I mean, they were undefeated, 18 and 0, and they had a group of all-stars. We just produced this documentary on our 2007. - Oh, hell yeah. - That's coming, that's coming out, and I'm watching the cut the other day, and I'm watching what a friend of mine, he go, "Randy Ross, your Tom Brady, "Bruski, Sayow, Rodney here, "he just started naming all these guys, "and I'm like, yeah, this team had, "they were beyond that." - It was the reason they were undefeated, yeah. - Yeah, they were beyond. So, yeah, I think we had the hardest path, and thank God, we won so I could retire. (laughs) Went out on top, baby. - What's the thing you remember most from the run? - When we bonded as a team, like, we went to London, we went to London to play the dolphins, and they had won a game, I think they lost every game that year, and we were like, we can't be the team they beat, especially overseas. So, we go to London, we ended up beating the dolphins, and I hosted, I like set up a party, 'cause, you know, I was the oldest guy there, I wasn't the older guy, but I wanted to make sure I look out for the young guy, that to me, the best way, makes sure we're all together. - Yes. - Right? - Not this guy. - We ain't ungone, but the air is especially in Europe. Half these guys never been out of wherever the heck they were born. So, we had the best after party, classical birds, like, Mike, why we had that much fun since college. Like, hell, you guys slam dancing next thing, and those certs are all, if you were to walk there, if you were to walk there at the wrong time, you probably would've thought it was some other kind of party, 'cause you catch them naked, basically, running to the top right. I was getting a little too hyped up in here, but we had the best time, but it was just like that bonding, and it got to the point of where, we just didn't want to let each other down. I think we won because we didn't want to let each other down, to disappoint each other, and we just weren't ready to go home. We're not ready for this brotherhood to end. Yeah, we're tired, we caught the ball off the helmet, even before they threw the touch down the practical, I realized we were gonna win the gang, 'cause I'm like, there's no way, you catch like that. The story doesn't have a great ending. I'll hear you on that, man. It just feels like it's so right. Do you guys think any type of way when you heard that Romo went on vacation? Oh, no. Is there any discussions? No. I think what? What got us, and it's in the doc, Jerry gave the team each player their two tickets to the next game, NFC Championship game. He had already given those guys their tickets to the NFC Championship game like, oh, the giants are pretty, are done. Yeah. So, here are your tickets already. So, we made sure that those tickets were in valid. (laughing) The bullets are born material for you. Yeah, exactly. Let's keep it in the giants world. What do you think of the Harbour hire? I love it. I love it. You know, I think it brings credibility, accountability, and accountability to the team. I just love the fact that he's an established coach. I think the second he walks in the door, he's getting respect. I mean, you have a nice, jungly-nucleus of players. Dart, I think, could be good. Just gotta teach him to get the hell down. Just to stop taking hits. Scataboo. Scataboo, I thought, would probably get knocked out before he got hurt in the way he got hurt. (laughing) I'm like, dude, you can't run like this having a long career. You have to learn to pick your battle. And then once you can't knock out a guy like that, you know that. You can't knock a guy out like the, he's just unknockoutable. Well, you know what, you just got to leave before. If he was knocked out, we would just never know. We never know. (laughing) He won a no-do. (laughing) You asking what day it is before a concussion, he doesn't know. Exactly. (laughing) He's a concussion. No, that's how he is always. They don't worry about it. Every day Sunday, he says this all the time. Every day Sunday. But I love it that he brought a lot of energy. He had Dart brought a lot of energy. A lot of swag for the young guy. Who haven't had that with the Giants? It's always been like conservative type stuff. But I love our, we got a good defensive nucleus, I think, and just some pieces here and there. But I love Powerball because of the credibility, man, the respect that he's gonna demand. And the accountability because can't get away with some of that stuff, I think some of the guys were getting away with what I've heard over there. I think he's gonna make guys more accountable for their actions and make sure that they focus on playing the game with football, which is what it's all about. That's how you make it live it. Focus on it. That's right, that's right. Thank you. I gotta ask you, the Super Bowl coming up, is there anybody in the game on the trenches that you're looking forward to watching? Oh. Who the guys, you're like, man, I love watching these guys play. I love watching them. I'm Leonard Williams. I love watching Leonard, who is with the Giants. We see like we have great players, then when we let them go, they go on to be all world. Yeah. Yeah. I'm your leader. I'm saying this. Everybody in Philadelphia knew how good Leonard Williams. I can tell you that, man. I thought you're gonna say, "Say Kwan, I was about to slide high." Well, that would do. That would do, but. But Leonard is a beast of a player, so I love watching Leonard. I just like watching, I like watching D.L.I. battles. 'Cause you know, that's what the trenches is where I live. So anytime I see a quarterback back there, just bouncing up and down, no pressure, I'm pissed. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm so pissed. Yeah. I'm like, dude, and when I see guys running there, just go straight into a guy and they just hold on to each other and dance on pissed. Like, dude, look like you're trying to get there. You don't have to get a sack, but pressure. You make, just making a feel your presence could be a disruptor. And there are time, man, I wake up and I'm like, I want time. I ain't gonna lie to you about two years ago. Maybe even less. Like, man, screw this. I'm coming back, man. You know, you know, the four-filla ribbers decided I'm coming back, man, man, man. My body feels good, and they ain't really no surgeries, no, nothing, I'm good. Yeah, you can give them a four or a good four or five games, huh? Well, just a quick four or five. I did one workout and I changed my mind. (laughing) It made me realize, oh hell, no, that ain't happening. I'm pissed, man, that's done. Nope, now I just, I'll tell Google me, Google me. There you go, yeah. Go on YouTube or I'll take it up. As an all-time great past rusher, what would you say, if somebody was gonna say like, how do you rest the past, or what's the art? What are your like keys to getting after a quarterback, to beat the offense at tackle? I always tell people, past rushing is about athletic ability, and all it is, but it's like, it's like chest to me. That's why I love doing it. It's, I was known as a bull rusher. You go back and watch me and John Runyon, it was like, bro, I have three notes clipped over and over again. I love it, it's epic. But I had to have strategy against him, 'cause that was the strongest. (laughing) What's he put his hands on you? I was with you straight into the next play. But I learned, and I used to do it to everybody. I know when you watch film and I self-scout, like I watch myself to see. But I know guys expect me to bull rush. So you know what I do? Bull rush the shit out of you. First three rushes. The first three rushes up the field, first step, second step, plan, turn, head in the chest, lock speed in and don't stop your feet. Don't press and then, daughter run. Nope, right through you the whole way. I don't even want to say, I just want to make your hop and get back of your quarterback's face. And then after I do that, I look at you and go, hey, a little bit stronger than it looks on tape, huh? Like, you know what I'm saying? You knew it was coming and you couldn't stop it. So I hit you with that three, four times. I ain't worried about a second that point. Then big down comes up. I run up, plant, give you that same look. If you're a big dude, you don't want to get pushed back. So you squat and you lean and then I chop you, come across the out-round. Then I beat you and I make the play. And then in your head, you're like, oh my God. Push me back, you beat me to the outside. Next time I come up, I give you that fake power to outside move. Then I give you a power. Then I give you another fake outside power to outside move. And then need another big play. Give you the fake power to outside. Make you think I'm going outside and club you come inside. But now I beat you straight over you. I beat you inside. I beat you inside. And then I look at your eye and I see you don't want no more. Because you don't know what's coming. That was to me the strategy and the psychology of football. But I didn't talk much unless you talk to me. Oh, and that reminds me, Greg Olsen play. I do remember that play, Olsen Cruz, the center. Oh, yeah, he had pissed me off. He had pissed me off. I remember that. When you cut your teeth here or something, he did something. And he was talking and I took out on Greg. I do remember. You got to know who you're talking shit to, man. Yeah, he's a great player, an old and a great player. Now that we're talking a little D line, old line, you brought up running in Cam Jordan. What are my favorites to ever go up against, man? Recently just said that offensive linemen aren't athletic. What's your opinion on that take? If they weren't athletic, I love Cam, by the way. This is not as far as I can. He's one of the greats. He had a hell of a long career. But if they weren't that athletic, Cam would be like Deacon Jones. They had a hundred cents of a year. First of all, and I wish people at home who really love the game could get a chance to come down and watch like some plays from the sideline to see how big, strong, and fast these big dudes are. And footwork, I mean, these dudes are athletes. Jordan Malata, you want to talk about Google somebody? Google Jordan Malata back what he was playing rugby. And you know, so funny between Jordan and Lane, when we do a lot of Eagles games, obviously. And then person, and I always look at how, and I say, "Yeah, man, I wish I got that guy get him a rough of that money." How he looks at me, he's like Michael. And in my mind, people love their money. But then I watch them abuse everybody else, but I'm different. Right, right. You work, you work, you work, yeah. No, I do. You know what's so funny? I literally laugh. I don't remember, like I know I play football and all that stuff and acculates and you guys bring that stuff up. But it's so funny that it's very hard for me to even consider myself to even be like a great football player or, you know, people go, "Oh, you're legend, you know, Hall of Fame." It's like, "Yeah, it's kind of weird to me." Because I played for respect. That's all I, you know, and I guess the respect comes from those type of things. But I did, you know, I played when I was young, you play, you're like, "Okay, I want to be respected, but I want to make some money." Yeah. But then after a while, you realize making money is not enough to keep you playing a game that's so hard. Yeah. And it's great, but I want it respect. I wanted that, and I got that, but it still feels weird to me for all that stuff. I don't know. I feel uncomfortable with it, man. It's weird. You got the respect out of everyone. And I think that's the reason you got all through that. They're showing you that respect by telling you you're one of the greatest ever players, right? Well, I appreciate that. And me saying that, and I feel like I need one of therapy sessions when Jason's done with here. I'm up next. Oh, it's so good. Well, listen. You already know, you got it all figured out, baby. It's been fun to not only watch you dominate in the NFL, but dominate the afterlife of NFL, man. And you paved the way for a lot of us in that regard too, and gained that respect for a lot of NFL guys, trying to kind of walk that path after the game's over for, man. Well, I appreciate it. And I got to say, Jason, you're doing a great job with it. And Travis, I'm not even going to get into what you're going to do, but you're going to be great as well. You're both a great, but just podcast, which is, which is incredible. And, you know, and the one thing that I know and everybody tries to give everybody advice, and I'm not trying to give you advice here, but I just want to demonstrate, you know that at some point, you never put on another helmet. You never put on another pair of shoulder pads. You never slide those pants on with the knee pads and thigh pads. You never take your wrist again. It's final. There is no big three, any NFL, you know, there is no other league. So I realized for me after 15 years, I'd done everything. I was no way that I was going to cry to press conferences in my retirement because I knew I put everything I had to it. And as long as you know that final, you'll never do it again, then great. That's how I looked at my career. And everything that came after is kind of, I'm going to say, kind of happen on accident from work at hard and enjoying what I'm doing. It just happened fun, good things seem to happen. But, but yeah, man, it's, you guys are crushing it and everything that you do. I'm happy inviting me on to do this because I've been watching all these podcasts going down. When do I get it? Come on now. Come on now. You know, you've been at the top of this. I got to say, one more thing I got to say though, for people out there watching, it's about character, okay? Both of you have character. You're raised right, okay? And I'm just, and every time I see you, you've been in the nicest wife and everything that you guys, you always think great and Travis, you may not remember it. You probably do remember, but it said a lot to me. And I tell a guy, I'm talking to how we about this with you the other day is, I was at the airport and I get out the car and you come coming across to, you got out of your car. You're already in the come over and say, what's up? Which I didn't even know you were there and most people sitting at car and be like, nah, man, let it go. I go, but it's like little things like that. So character, and I always appreciate it, appreciate it that from, from both of you guys, man. And my little things like that, you think nobody's really paying attention to really mean a lot to a lot of people. And, you know, I'm always here for you guys. You guys never need anything. And I know, I'm not saying that like we've done podcasts. So let's keep on going. No, I appreciate it. It sounds like you kind of knew going into that 2007 season. That was the last who raw. I kind of felt like it. But I will say had we lost to the Patriots, I really would have strongly considered coming back. I really would have because they would have been like, man, this close. Almost like I got to get one more run. And I'm glad, I'm glad, trust me, I'm glad we won. Because that was kind of like, okay, what else am I trying to prove? My body feels good. I've won every individual award. Now I've won the ultimate award, which is the Super Bowl with my team. So there's nothing else for me to accomplish. And I had a deal already signed with Fox. She just had to deal in the drawer and know what they knew about it. And so I knew I had a gig after that. And so I was able to kind of write out to the sunset on my own terms, which is very hard. Because most people, they don't get to end their careers when they want to end it. So whenever you have that opportunity, man, you're blessed. And so I realized I didn't want to stick around and be on the team. And I have my heart wholeheartedly into the game and just stick around for what a paycheck. Stick around so when these young guys can go, hey, I remember when you used to be. And I'm like, shit, I'm still here. What'd you talk about? Used to it. So, so yeah, man, I kind of went into it with the idea that that was going to be it. And I also went into it to attitude. I don't care about a pro bowl. I don't care about sacks. I don't care about nothing. I just want to have fun with the guys for once. How about it, man? Because a lot of the other years, man, the other 14, and I'm so worried about, within the system, if guys are on their on their game and I started saying, hey, we're all grown. You got to be on your game. I could motivate in every way I can, but guys going to have to show up on their own. And they did thank God. You mentioned you already had the Fox deal, anything. What point did you know you were going to go into broadcasting? Oh, man. You know, I started just doing stuff because it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I was with you. You want to do this? Back then, they had a show called Beth Downs Sports Show period. Come on. Yeah. Come on. That was an incredible like breeding ground to like get your feet wet and television. And so I would go on it on a by week. I would go and host the week of it. I started to deal my last year or so every Monday, I would go sit in front of a camera. And I would have to do this show every Monday, winter lose, I always showed up because, you know, I signed up to do it. You show up regardless. But doing that show kind of gave me a vibe for broadcasting. Let me know I could. I would like it. I did a Super Bowl for ESPN when I was still playing ABC. I did CBS. I did Fox. I did all the networks. And I didn't really know guys made a good living doing it, beyond which I thought football was like, man, this is the best. Well, opportunity I make them all get up to their hands. And so broadcasting would never on my forefront of my life. And I'm very much like this when I'm in something, you get everything from me. It's my primary. All the other secondary stuff and I'll make it work. But I'm not affecting my primary gig. So broadcast was just secondary to me. And I think I got a call from one of these network executives who asked me to go to breakfast with him. So I meet him at breakfast. And the first thing out of his mouth was, how much longer do you want to play football? I never thought about it. And that let me know. Damn, they're looking at me to actually have a job and I'm done playing, commentating. And I went to Fox out of all the networks because it was the most fun. It was the most fun. And it's like I hang out with my teammates and we laugh and we joke and we have more fun off camera as much as we more than we have on camera, which we have a ton on camera. It's more about personalities and it be honest with you, we don't. It's entertainment, you know, for sure people will sit in meetings all week. You want to watch the football show? If you want to watch another meeting or you want to make it fun. You want to have fun with. So that's why I ended up with Fox. But I realized probably my last two years in the league that there was an opportunity for me outside of the gate. But forget about sports and all the other stuff after that, I had no clue. Yeah, that's what's, dude, that's what's really the most eye opening is how much you've done in TV. Like you start, you're doing the Fox and all that, you do a morning shows, you got games shows, like what is your fate? What brings you the most joy that you do on television football? Still? That's whatever changed that. Nothing. I love it. I love doing the news. I love it. I, you know, because it keeps me interested in the world, it keeps me engaged with so many things that are going on and keep me very aware of what's going on, which I think is important. And I get to talk to interesting people, I get to travel world, I do interesting stories. So at that part, I love the game show was great. And but we shoot a whole season in a week or two. That's what's crazy about that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you travel. No, because I was telling Travis, I watch your show. I don't. You didn't. I don't win a little bit, man. You already know. Those shows can get crazy, man. And it's, I got more comfortable as it went on, but that's a different world that, you know, I had fun with it. And I'm sure you did too, man, but I think, I think I'm right there with you, man. There's just something about talking about football and being around the game and given, given the expertise that you've gathered over the years. It's also this. I'm sure you would back this up, Mike, but one of the things you miss most about playing is just being around the guys like nothing replaces being around football players. I don't know why it is. You miss that locker room, like, like, that's the thing that you miss most about the game. Or at least that's what I do. And once you're back on a set talking ball, it's not even that you're, it's kind of talking about, but it's also just being around, like, minding guys that think about the game the same way. The sense of humor is the same. And you get flashback to that, you know, sitting at the cafeteria table, making fun of, you know, whoever it is or talking about, do you see what that guy did last week? Yeah. I don't know. Oh, we're on a group chat. I don't want to show that. I don't want to show you what they already said since we ended on Sunday, but we're on a group chat and we got talk a year round, um, even Jimmy still involved on it because he's part of the history of the show. And the crazy thing is, there is no age gap when we're all together. Jimmy is 80 something. Terry 70 something. And you feel that when you're watching it, you do. You really do feel there's no age gap that we can make fun of each other and we play off each other, but we respect each other. And everybody had accomplished more in their life and as football and as sports than we ever imagined. So this was like gravy and we're so grateful and there's no, no attitude. There's no anything about any individual. We're very much about our team and about, you know, loving each other and making sure we each are all of us are taken care of and validated and happy. And I think that's the big part of why our show works. And, um, you know, but I had a group chat and all the other stuff that I found like the older guys, Terry, Jimmy, they're not least mature of all of us. They're the age man, we'll be back in the green room, they said some stuff, you're going to do. You can't take that. Don't say that with the mic, you know, they grew up in a different area, they grew up in a different area. And, exactly. Well, they're the end of Fox NFL Sunday. I got to ask you talked about the Fox family, the addition of Robert Grunkowski, Grock, joined the Fox family not too long ago, man, you got to tell me what it's like working with Grock, man. You know what I always say, and it's kind of like Terry, people think that Terry Bradstras is great. Terry's one of smart people. I know I said, Terry, you've done better in your life plan to dumb guy than anybody I've ever met. Terry, the brutally smart guy and the business is a horse bit and all these other things that he does. And I think I feel the same about Grock, Grock is an incredibly, first of all, he's part of sweetest human being on the planet. The dude is white corner that nice is human being. And one thing I realized from my experience of coming in the Fox after they've been on the air for 20 years or whatever, 18, 19 years without having anybody else come in. And here I show up, it's intimidating because you're looking at guys that you watched that you were a kid and you admired who are now, you're sitting next to them. But it's tough fitting in. And Grock has done an incredible job of fitting in, first of all. And secondly, I think that Grock has done a great job of fighting his lane because that's the hard part. And the personalities where it's established, what's your lane? This is my lane. That's your lane. But he's getting more, and I love he get more comfortable because he's still not quite comfortable. And I don't blame it. But he gave more comfortable and I always tell him, sometimes, dude, don't wait for us to wait for the jump in. You got something to say. Jump in. We've got very casual guys will shut up and let you have your take. No one's worried about you getting more words than the next guy. We don't do work out here. It's like, we just want you to be comfortable and happy because you're helping this show. And yeah, Grock, I love it. We flew back to New York together and on Monday, yesterday, just the salt of the earth human being man. I love work with him. That was bold topics brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Thank you to our sponsor, Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. That's right. Not checking your tea time before heading to the golf course. Not smart. No, no, that's not. 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Well, we're talking about skating on the edge of the atmosphere. What was it like going to space? Amazing. Dude, crank thing with the whole thing was like 12 minutes, whoop, whoop, felt like hours. What? Really? To be in the light and you're looking up at space, looking at the darkness up there. And then the rocket starts taking off and is not like Apollo 13 movie with Tom Hanks. You're going to come on. It comes. It's just gradual. It's like a gradual push and you look at your little screen because each seat has a little screen tells you to altitude to speed. You look off 40,000 feet, I've been in a plane. Then you're looking down, then you look back as like your 200,000 feet, your 2,000 mouth per hour, something crazy and you're going, oh my god, this is real. And the design of the ship is a mate when it goes up, it's designed to twist. So you don't have to turn your head. First, look out your own window and you get to see the full 360 because they're the emergency booster in the middle. So you got to keep your head back because something happens and I shoot you off, that shoot you off at nine G's when you're going out, there's like three and a half, like your top gun or something. But the gradual push up is like three and a half G's, I want to say, coming down, like five G's, but when you get up there and they release the main rocket from the capsule and they go, oof, and then you realize, oh my god, my arms are flowing. And then the lights go off, you can undo your belt, put your belt up and you push as hard as you two, your two fingers like holding the cell phone, like that kind of pressure. And then I'm doing flips, man, my big ass has never done a flip. I have done flips out of the kid and I'm like, we're doing flips. We had little mini football that you do like that and it just goes, it doesn't, none of the, it's just in blowing in one space and doing like the cartoons where you're flappin, you have nothing. You'll just sit in one spot. And then it's just amazing to float around. You're looking back at earth and it's like you're watching when you leave your, your, your Apple TV on too long and it was literally you, I want the best parts with Shav kind of creepy is that you have to come to terms with death. Oh wow. And by that, I mean, before you take off, you become so, relaxed and free, that's why you put it. You just come so free. If it's God's will, this is what it is. This is how I go. And believe me though, I'll happen to come back, but everybody on the ground was crying. And step for my mom, my mom, like your dad did worse. He was jumping out of planes all the time. I'm like, what do you know what, come on, but everybody else was crying, but all of us on there were just so happy, man, so filled with joy. And it was, it was, it was one of the best things I've ever done in my life without a doubt. Wow. That is incredible. That's what I wanted to hear, baby. And that was a long explanation, but I, no, I loved every second of it, man. I'm so in. I tell you, you would love it. They do an incredible job from start to finish and I would highly recommend it. If you get the opportunity to do it, I would jump on it in a heartbeat. It's a life changing. And a lot of ways makes you realize how insignificant you are on this in the world, but it also makes you realize how important you are to the people that matter the most to you because I'm on there thinking about my family and like, I'm not ready to leave them and they're not ready for me to leave either. Like it really puts a lot of things into perspective. That is beautiful, man. You've done so much, Mike. What's next? What is the next thing for Michael Strahan? A retirement. Like full, just all around work, man, there's no way, you know what, yeah, they're the way at some point, some, some, some point, man. You know what it is? I love Fox. I absolutely love that. But I just want to, he works so much and then I want to go here. I want to go there and I can't do a lot of things because I got these commitments and schedule stuff and I think at some point, I have to look at time, lived and time left. I got you, you know, and you guys are young, man, y'all, y'all, y'all enjoy. You got more time ahead of you than behind you. I got more time behind me than ahead of me. So I'm starting to look more in that vein of life and I'm not just going to completely disappear. But another thing is, I love business and I got a lot of other businesses that I do and those things interest me like football did because I had to learn them, I had to learn football later. And I love doing those things and I think I could get a lot of, you know, validation or of just, you know, not, not feeling completely retired and doing nothing. But that gives me enough and on top of that, I still, I do Fox until they throw me off of Fox. I mean, I want to be 80 years old on Fox, but I'll stick around a little bit longer. We've got some fun stuff coming up on on Smith, we're smack entertainment, right? You guys got some docu series coming, coming out, right? Yeah, we got docu series coming out coach, Vic. And this is the second one we did with it with Mike because Mike, we did the evolution of the black quarterback with Vick, and which, which Andy Reed, your coach played a big part in that doc because think about the quarterback. He bent nav. Vic, all these guys that he really brought in and gave a chance on when other people probably wouldn't have. So he's been very instrumental in that. So the document, I mean, that that, and now we have coach, Vic and his, his, his, his, his foray into coaching at Norfolk state. That's right. The folks stay, baby. Him and Desharad Jackson going at it right there, two four go Eagle grades. I came down for GMA and I was at the stadium and we had both of them there because they were doing the game there and at the link. And I'm like, I felt out of place and Philly, man, all the Eagle stuff. I'm like, we could have done this at a neutral site. Don't bring me on the head of you. But you're right. So we got, we got coach, Vic coming up. We also, we have a movie coming out too. I'm going to screen it right after we get done here. And that one is about John Madden. We did the documentary on the Mad Video Game. Yeah. Oh, man. And then we did Bill Belichick on the Madden Cruiser for Super Bowl in New Orleans. We produced that. And now we're doing the Madden movie with David O'Rossel directing Christian Bell, play Thal Davis, Nicholas Kayes plays John Madden. And so that, I'm going to screen now because that's, man, I can't fucking wait, man. That's going to be good. That looks awesome, man. That looks so fucking awesome. It's going to be incredible. And obviously, John Madden is, he's one of the biggest personalities that I, I like, he was the world when I was growing up. And I can only imagine what it was to actually be like be in a room with him and, and enjoy who he was as a person, man. Well, you know, those pre-game meetings. I mean, imagine doing those pre-game meetings and you're meeting with John Madden. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. And then you're at the stadium and that bus is sitting there and you're like, oh my God, John Madden fear. That was more pressur than pre-can-john running. I got asked, you brought up John a couple times. I do got to ask you this. I see the highlights and I see a lot of Michael Strahan highlights. I know you've always given John his credit as being tough, physical, but what was, what was it really like? What was it like for Michael Strahan going up against John Runyon? Tough. Easier when he first got there because he was, he was in Tennessee and then when they brought him to Philly, the whole thing with him, we brought him to Philly to stop straight hand, which pissed me off. So I studied John Runyon more than I probably studied anybody, any, but I could tell what he was going to do before he can do it. I could tell he was going to fart before he farted. That's how, that's how what John New Day can, right? But I will say as we played each other more and more over the year, the tougher it got, the more savvy he got, he and Eric Williams with the Dallas Cowboy of about number one toughest guy, John Runyon and Leon Searsie, who was the office of tackle-plated Pittsburgh and then in Jacksonville, what he award two, two A and two B and so freaking strong and tough and smart. And I love John because John made me a better player. Those, those three I named made me a better player because playing against them made everybody else seem easy. And even at the super, at my Paula fame induction, John Kane, which meant the world to me. And I had to get my shout out, I had to get my shout out. So I said, John Runyon, six, seven, three hundred and fifty pounds, whatever of twisted steel and no sex appeal. So I'm going to give him a compliment now. Could you have ever called out that he was going to be the VP of rules and policy and hand it out. What's that? Catch me if you can character that's exactly the guy who does the crime so that you know who now who the catch doing the crime. John, man, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, how are you finding anybody? We should go in retroactively find your ass for what you would go to lose. Oh man. That's so fucking good. All right, man, we're going to we got to wrap it, get you out of here, big dog. No, we appreciate the time, but we always end these, uh, these interviews or these talks with, uh, welcome to the NFL moment, man. What was your welcome to the NFL moment, right? Oh, man, I've had, well, one was I was actually playing in the game. The other one, I was just actually a rookie at the game. As a rookie at the game, we were playing a 49er than the playoffs in San Fran. And I just remember being there and I'm coming from Texas, other man, I'm watching Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Ricky Waters, all these guys and I'm like, can I have your autograph? That's what I wanted. I want a autograph. My name is Jerry Rice. Come out there running like a damn style, you know, it was that was the most amazing, amazing thing. But my welcome to the NFL moment was playing the Cowboys, playing against Eric Williams. And we're out there. We're fighting, man. We're battling. Like, you know what, mother, you wait till next time, I'm going to do that, I would do that. He looked at me and he said, let me tell you something, young fellow, that may happen within the future. But right now, you just take this weapon like a girl. You take this ass with her. You just take this ass with him like an old lifestyle. Yes. Yes. Woo. Okay. And he was right. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to take that ass with him like a man. And that was my welcome to the NFL, there's some bad boy down here. You know, he's king of the jungle. I love that. That is so good. That's similar to mine. I've told this, we probably won't even put it in the episode, but I got to tell you this after that. I got a J Ratliff with the Cowboys. And it was my first time playing like a head up nose or a 50 and everything. So it's me and him one-on-one and he was whooping my ass. Like, I could not block him. He didn't have, he didn't have a sack. I get a holding call later in the game and I didn't think it was a good call. I started yelling at the ref and I looked back and jam like, man, you know that's a bullshit. He's like, son, I been whooping your ass all day. I had to figure out his herb. One of those. You know what? I ain't got nothing to say. You're right. But we all have that one guy, man. Yeah. Yeah. That one guy. And we all had those moments. But, hey, if you didn't have those kind of moments, you didn't play football. Seriously? Seriously? Who was yours? What was your name? I had about five of them. I had a guy. One of those guys on every team, actually, it was, you know, the one I had sold twice a year was Vaughn Miller, though. Vaughn, Vaughn, you know, is, when they had, they were trying, they were on those Super Bowl he runs with, uh, with Peyton Man, Vaughn was a, he was a beast and he was mean, man. I've learned, I've learned to know Vaughn, Vaughn is like, he's a great guy, like just a, just a A1 human being. Yeah. But man, what he, in between those whistles, he was trying to embarrass you. I'll tell you what, man. I was in the Bahamas and Vaughn came over to hang out. I'd never seen somebody would leg that big. Oh, yeah. He's, he's, he's, he's an animal now. Really? I wouldn't expect to that. I didn't either. Of course, render. I didn't either. Yeah. I was like, I'll be back. I mean, I should be coming to another man's ass and legs, but I was like, hey, if I don't build like that, you know what I'm saying? With that being said, though, before we go, I got to, I got to give a shout out to my guy Miles Garrett, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was an incredible season, unstoppable, unblockable player, man. I've never, you know, usually a guy has like one move or something like that and a counter. There's nothing he doesn't have. And in this, you're watching him and going, ah, how could I got that big beat that fast and lean that low? How could a guy be that big and that's strong and run somebody old? How's he open after hips and come inside or such a savvy ball player, too, man? He knows what's coming. But yeah, congrats to Miles, man, I ate credible season, I'm so happy for him and he really is a good dude. I've had a chance. Everyone. You don't have a lot. It's just been some time with him and hit him up and talked to him before and after that. Now, we try to encourage him because as you guys know, we play and pretty soon we're just another guy who played in the league in so many ways and it's top of the next generation. And you just got encouraged him because I always had guys encouraged me and I hate to see when, when, you know, oh, guys, we tear it out as young players. Games different, pay is different. All these things are different. That's part of the game. I remember making three million bucks a year and I was the highest payd for the event in the league and that was a big deal because I was making it much more than Bruce Smith and Reggie and all those guys and then I ended up jumping up like eight million bucks a year and that was unheard of. Now five times that would probably be the going rate, but you can't think back because back then like that was, that was doing well in those times. So I always want to encourage these young guys and I always want to encourage these older guys and encourage these young guys, man, don't just look at them as if you didn't play in my area. You couldn't play. Okay, okay. Fine. They weren't born. What can you do? No doubt. No doubt. Well, we can go ahead and leave it right there. That was beautifully said, big dog and I can't thank you enough for the wisdom. Just you being you, your personality. Seriously. I'm telling you, man, what you've been to just me as a as a player and and and always reaching out and being kind, man, I can't thank you enough for being you, big dog. Well, I appreciate you both for having me, man, and really an awesome Saturday. I think you two are the best. So keep on doing it and I love the brotherly love and I love the fact that you guys are the just who you are and you're being yourself. And that's your, that's, that's the magic of the Kelsey brothers, man. Come on. No. Thank you, big dog. Appreciate my, you're the best brother. Straight in, baby. Straight in. Straight in. You're the best, man. Appreciate the time, dog. Once again, that was we got to ask. Brought to you by all state. All right. Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week. Stamp of the week is brought to you by Adobe Accombat and Jets fans finally have a quarterback sort of in the Super Bowl. Look at this, Jake Chatsky, I hope the Patriots get fucking shit rocked in the Super Bowl. What the disney, that's an hilarious tweet though. I'm fully biased. I fucking hate the Patriots. They ruin, they've ruined the majority of my football watching life. You're putting the Patriots at fault for the Jets being an awful organization as a Jets fan. I don't like the Patriots. So you chasing like you don't like the Cowboys. I understand a fan to Morse. Right. Don't frame the Patriots for your guy's mouth, practice of what football has been played. Well, and yes, I agree, those are separate issues, but when one of the teams that is like my bitter rival has six Super Bowls and all this success, and then I have to hear about Patriots fans like going through a hard time in their rebuild of what four fucking years and two quarterbacks. So that's it. Yeah, it's bullshit, and so I hope that they get fucking shit and Super Bowl. It, to me, it is, to me, it is like, I don't think it's bullshit. I think they went out. I got a great I coach, and then they found a great quarterback. I don't think it's bullshit. Well, that's it. I mean, yeah, that's it. Well, it's just, I can never have nice things that Jets just keep fucking out and like, you can have nice things. You can just turn then that Jets green for some Patriots gear, and you can have nice things. You know, I would, that's not like that's going to make you puke more than your, your experience with the Jets over the past however many years. I'm the loyal guy. I will be loyal to the Jets until the day that they finally kill me, which is probably how I'll end up dying, but I will not turn my back on the team, even though they keep making dumb decision after dumb decision. And if the Patriots weren't smart enough, they'd probably have Draud Mayo and we'd have Mike Vrable, so like that makes it even worse is that I have to watch Mike Vrable who is in all likelihood, probably going to be the Jets coach last year. Go do this with the Patriots. It's just, it's a nightmare of errors. We should have had Sam Darnold. He should still be our quarterback, but no, he had to like go to five different teams before he could go to the Super Bowl. And now I just have to root for Sam Darnold to avenge his ghosts and let me have like a slight win in the fact that Patriots fans will not be happy. How many great Jets players are playing in the Super Bowl? You have Sam Darnold. Another one people don't want to talk about Leonard Williams. Leonard Williams is staying at Leonard Jets. Yep. Who else? There's got to be some other names that I'm not even thinking about that are playing in the Super Bowl. There were Jets. I lost the Leonard Williams in the Jets, yeah. I can't think many off the top of my head, but all I'm saying is it doesn't sound like you can blame the players or the Patriots. I just don't I don't want good things to happen to that franchise. In particular, like the people who root for that franchise are like people who have been tormenting me personally for 30 years. And those people don't change. Like the Patriots fans who are rooting for Tom Brady and being like, ha, ha, ha, fuck the Jets, they're the same people who get to enjoy Drake May now. So I understand it's like a different team, but I will not be happy for them. All right. That's understandable. Understandable. Who are you rooting for, Trent? I probably, you know, I like I fucking love a good Mike Raven story, man. I love, I love rapes. He's always been the fucking best man. He just felt like he would have been an awesome coach to play for. But I do love the Sam Darnell story. I love, I got a lot of guys over in Seattle that I admire, you know, there's a good, there's a good storyline on board. Cincinnati Bearcats got Kobe Bryant over there playing DB, I'm rooting for him, I'm rooting for AJ Barner, another Cleveland kid, both of those guys out of Cleveland. So I don't know, Sam Darnell is, I like that story right now and to see him flourish would be pretty damn cool to see him go from where he's been to winning a Super Bowl. I like Sam Darnell. I love the C.O.X. defense. I like the way they play. There's just a certain amount of respect that you have Kenneth Walker the way he was running this last game. Oh my gosh. He's a beast. But then there is a like, I like Drake, man. I like the rookie quarterback. There's nothing to not like about the Patriots. It's just the story. The defense, I like, I don't know, man, I like that defense over there in New England. I like Milton Williams, my former teammate, Mac Hollins, my former teammate. Yeah. It'll be interesting. I can't wait to watch it. Mac Hollins is like Anderson Verrigeau. He is, which you know I was a big Anderson Verrigeau fan who wasn't if you were a cast fan. I do think, I think teams overthink the third receiver sometimes. I think Mac Hollins, he is a, he's been amazing everywhere. He's been. He really is. Oh, I feel like they're always trying to get like this shifty, like, route runner. And it's like, dude, it's so much better than just plays ball, man. Dude, get into 11 personnel and have a guy that can do all these things that you can do out of 12. If you want to play nickel and I, I don't know, man, I just think he, and then it's also like a mismatch, height wise and size wise for a lot of the safeties trying to guard them. Like, anyways, all right. Let's get back on track. Stand with me. Stand with me. Are old Cincinnati G A, yeah, Jesse Mentor, obviously his father is a well-renowned coach in the college in NFL and Minner has been unbelievable since he's been with the, the charges really since he's been in Michigan under Harball, but now is the new head coach of the Baltimore Ravens has some big shoes to fill over there in Baltimore. But happy as hell for you, coach Minner and good luck in the AFC next year, brother. That's a great one, Trev. I love that one. I'm going to go. I, I mean, we just talked about hating the Cowboys and Jets, and Jets, K hating the Patriots. I'm going to go with former Cowboy to Marcus Lawrence. That's a great quote, man. He called this back then and I, when he said it, I was a bit much, but God damn, I got to give him credit now. The Marcus Lawrence said back in March, when he signed in Seattle and left Dallas Cowboys where he had been his whole career, he said Dallas is my home, but I know for sure I'm not going to win a Super Bowl there. And to Marcus Lawrence is now going to the Super Bowl in the Seattle season. Damn it. And it's aged very well. He also got into a back and forth of Michael Parsons over this where Parsons was kind of calling him out on his podcast or whatever platform that was and the DeLaw shots words back at him. And now neither in Dallas. Well, yeah. Now there's one common denominator either way. Yeah, the Marcus Lawrence is, you know, this is aged very well. Age even better if they end up pulling and went off against the Patriots. Maybe I should wait on this. Should I wait until after a Super Bowl to make this the stamp of the week? Is it not good enough until he's won the Super Bowl? No. You got to cash. Yeah. You got to cash in on that when you can. Just the fact that you call this and you're in it is enough for me. And that wraps up the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. 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Tiktok was trying to ban me, Trev, only three ticks in there trying to talk me. What you post? I think it was because I had Tiktok. Am I using him? My username was @JasonKelsey hates Tiktok. And they were like, "We can't have that on the platform." It didn't really give me a lot of good answers. Then when we reached out, it was like, "You can't have Tiktok in your name." So I thought about doing like Jason Kelsey hates this app and I was like, "Yeah, you know it's not worth it. Let's just get Jason Kelsey." That's why Jake's best in the biz. He said, "Just use your name. I'm getting banned like tomorrow." What you post? I sometimes leave comments and sometimes those comments aren't what people would call helpful. Give us a mundane one that isn't going to get you in trouble. If it's a front-facing video and you're in your car recording it, I know I'm in for a bad time. You get this and it's like, "All right guys, let's talk," I'm like, "I'm already f*cking furious." If the car is moving and you're talking into your camera, furious. I'm not a big selfie taker, but my TikTok right now, I have two that open up on my face and I think they're funny. So I got to break that trend. You'd be fine. It's ironic when you do it. It's funny when you do it. When people generally want to see their own face is when I get disgusted. Why are you this self-confident? What is wrong with you? You shouldn't feel this good about yourself. All right. I'm going to yell into this camera.