Michael Rubin, Davante Adams, Tiffany Haddish, Robert Kraft

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I want you to see what happens with a black person with this court." - Devante Adams. - We're in our business. We don't get to choose everybody, but the people that I do get to choose, I'm going to make sure I choose wisely. - Tiffany Haddish. - Life is all about the numbers. Number is no lies unless you don't know how to put them together. - And the CEO of the New England Patriots, Robert Kraft. - We paid the highest price in any league and it was losing money. - Check it out. - You know, Robert is going to live to 120. I'm going to make sure he's going out the same way. - How do you know? - I'm going to make sure he's going out the same way he is today, then we're going to keep him out until 3, 4, 5 o'clock in the morning. - I really think I'm 35. - What do you mean you two are so mean? - 35. - He's not. - He's not. - He didn't know. - He used to be. - So you kind of act 25. - I used to be. - I used to be 27, 28, 28, and then I met you and you exposed me the things in life that I grew up and that was 35. - Let me ask this, how do you guys meet? What was your initial thought? - I met Robert from his oldest son, who's one of my best friends, Jonathan Kraft. And what was amazing for me is meeting him the first time he had literally the heart of a kid. Robert's always just had the mentality of pushing and everything that he does. And I love that. And so I like to get people around me that I can learn from, grow from, take value from and how I'm growing my own life. And for me he's been one of my best role models but also brothers. And people say to me all the time like, how are you guys so close because there's such an age difference? - Of course, him at 35, I feel like I'm 21 at first. But we have so much fun together. - Robert, you always been like that like to go out and have a good time? - Absolutely. - That's it, by the way, I gotta tell you, I don't know how you all feel. This man is what we all strive to be. Still having a good time with life. Doing amazing work. - Still competing at the highest level. - Still having fun, man. - Still having fun. - Right. - What's the secret? You're gonna tell us what the secret is. When we're starting out on a modest basis, all of us. And sometimes you'll have people around you who will be very talented. And they help you win that whatever winning is. And you put up with it. But what I learned is if they aren't good people at the core, people of integrity, people you can trust, they're gonna get you distracted and in the trouble some way. - You know, Michael, Robert talked about something very important about people who can help you win because they're smart, they're talented, they're great, they're whatever. And then measuring that against a great person. Like they have great, have a good integrity. - Character integrity. If you nail both, that's the Holy Grail. Obviously, we all strive. Whether it's your agent, your coach, you run now a massive company and have hired thousands of people. When you're going to interview someone, if you find someone who is really fucking good, like damn, this guy or this woman is the smartest fuck, but I'm getting some words, some feedback from people that they don't always have the best character. How do you balance that? How do you think about it? Do you just cut them off? What do you do? - I'm not hiring the person. - You just don't. No matter how good they are. - So let me say this. I believe when you go to hire someone, and you put someone in your kind of close in a circle, there's what you think when you meet that person, interview the hell out of them, but then there's the back door. I've never asked someone for a reference in my life, and you know this about me. How many times have I called you and said, "Hey, Matt, what do you think about this person?" - Yes. - Okay. - How many times have I? - How many times have I called you and said, "Matt, what do you think about this person?" And talk about a guy we just hired last week. I called 30 different people about that person, because I wanted to make sure I was going to bring someone into me a top executive for me that I really knew everything about them. And so I'm really thorough and diligent on the back door reference in. What someone says to me like, "Hey, do you want me to give you some references?" I'm kind of offended by that. You're going to be so fucking stupid. I would take the wrong pieces of things you would give me. By the way, if someone said to me, "Hey, can you tell me five people in a check?" I'm calling each of the five people and saying, "Here's what I want you to say." - You said it. - And for you guys, it's different, right? Because they're talking about hiring. For you guys, it's bringing people into your inner circle that are going to help manage and grow your career. - That's hiring too. - Yeah, so how do you guys think of that as well? - I ask a lot of questions. I ask them a lot of questions. And then like he said, like I call people that they say they've worked for or whatever or worked with. And then I call people that those people that had to deal with them. Like and I ask a lot of questions. Like they might have built some really great careers. But are they like, will they be able to handle me? Will they be able to communicate with me? Like when I'm having a bad day, when I'm dealing with my endometriosis and I'm sort of like jumping off the damn building, will they be able to calm me down and help me do my job? Because I'm over here a bag of emotions. - Have you ever thought you got the right person to even realize, shit, I fucked this up? - Yeah. - And did you react, did you make the change faster? Did you wait? - I waited 'cause I didn't know what to do. I didn't understand how you make the change. - Oh yeah, I didn't know you got something wrong. It's like a cancer rip at the fuck out of your body. Period and the story. - And it hurts. - Fast. - Fast. - Yeah, and the reason for that is the opportunity cost of the messes they're gonna create that's gonna distract you from doing what you want you do. - You know the other big thing, I've-- - Wait that with that in our company. - For sure. - Big one or two. - Big one or two. - You get someone could be perfect for you today and two years maybe they're not. 'Cause your life changes. You grow, your situation changes. So you need people that can kill with you. And by the way, who you put around you is everything. - Yes. - Yeah, and for me, like, I'm the type of person like, I can barely feel comfortable taking a movie reference from somebody without, you know what I mean? 'Cause your standards and what you become accustomed to, you know, just what you think is acceptable may be different than me. So you may think that somebody does a diligent enough job, you know, on their job, whether they work for you, you know, they help you build a business or whatever it is. What works for you may not work for me. So me, I gotta be able to see that myself. In your sport and your profession, you have to go to work every, very intimate job, right? 'Cause you're in the locker room, you're on the bus, you're on travel. It's even different than being on it. 'Cause you like spend more time with those people in your family and you don't get to really, you don't get to pick any of those people, they're the people that get sent in. - The difference, I guess more, what I'm thinking about is more of my management. - Your man helped that work with you and us. - Run my marketing, you know, my agent and all of that. Like, you know, for me, it's simple. The guy you seen in here a minute ago, Nick? That's what he does most of my marketing stuff. I've been doing him since middle school. So like, I don't need a reference. That's somebody I know literally every single thing about this man, like, he needed it. Like, the way he acts the day to day is what proves to me that he's the right guy. So I like to be around the people that, you know, I have those, if you're working for me or if you're in my inner circle like that, like, you really in my inner circle. - Can I ask you a question though? 'Cause this happens with us getting players and the role of agents. And agents really, they wanna get you a good financial deal and as much as they can 'cause they wanna use that then attract other players to them for them. - Correct. - But agents have to be managed 'cause they wanna get a big, they take whatever they want. percentage is and then they want to use your contracts as a way rather than doing what's right for you. Right. Personally, do you think I'm wrong? Well, you're absolutely right. I think that athletes have built that problem themselves because there's such a high percentage of guys out there that just give the people that manage them the POA to whether it's dealing with their financials, you know, their contract situations, whatever. And you know, the agent may want you in a different situation personally for him because it works out better with him, you know, if you were to go to Arizona or something, you know, based off of that, you may make more money in that contract whereas you, you looking for happiness and you want to be in a certain place and if you don't have that same trust with that agent, he may come to you with information that isn't correct. So for me, I just make sure I manage that throughout the way. Like my financial advisor, he knows I'm interested in what's going on with me. I'm not going to be just sitting back letting you pay bills and do all that stuff. I need to know and I want to learn about anything that I don't know. I was going to ask that factors into your decision-making in terms of it's not just the bag, not just the biggest contract. It's, you know, Robert was talking about happiness, you know, what's important to you. But earlier you were saying, you want to play with guys you actually like, like you like the hang with. You were saying, like, he can't, you say you don't even know how to deal with somebody who's not cool and like, you can get on with it. Yeah, I got to be able to buy with you. That's just such a, that's such a critical piece to me being around you and unfortunately in our sport and in our business. You don't get to choose everybody, but the people that I do get to choose, I'm going to make sure I choose wisely. Of course, of course. Of course. That's my idea. It's always trying to be calculated with that that way. And the other thing is you letting other people know what you're about too, because then people, they'll tread lightly knowing that if your financial advisor just says, okay, my guy just lets me do whatever and he never checks up on what's going on. They more inclined to steal from you and do other things and take advantage of you. But if they know that you're a smart guy and you know, on top of those type of things, then you know, they kind of, they move a little different of notice. The people around you is everything. Everything. And I'll tell you, if there's one thing I've learned in the last several years, I can look at somebody and look at the people that have around them and determine how they're going to do in the future. It's one of the things I've said to you so many times about Brian. Brian would be brought on the court because of him, but I look at how he's had you, Rich Paul, Paul Wachter, and that's been his group and I look at the three of you guys. I'm like, okay, this guy picked a hell of a team. My grandmother always say that. You show me a person, show me the first five friends, I'll tell you everything about them. How far they're going to go. What they're going to be into your community. You can't, you also need people who have different skillset than you, different thinking than you, different way of being than you because you need someone as, because I believe in we, at our company, we always say, if you want to get to the best idea, you actually need discourse. Sometimes you call me and I go, my God, I don't know about that. I disagree with that. You go, man, I think you're wrong and we have that discussion. And that's how we get to like, you make me see it a different way or I make you see it a different way. Like, I didn't see, I don't, shit, I didn't think about it that way. Devande, I think you're the best in the league at your position, one of the greats to ever do it, but you talked about always being a student of the game, always learning. So you ever get to the point where you're not learning how to be, because you look like you don't got anything else to learn playing, why are you seeing it? From the slot, I lied anywhere. That's definitely not true. And that's never the mentality that anybody should ever have. Let alone me. Like, I got, I learned, I'm learning something new, like the thing is you can learn in so many different ways. Like, I learned from new guys, like, I learned from Jacoby this year, like, so much that I didn't, I didn't know before, like, not sure to let them go. I was gonna get to that, but I, you know what I'm gonna say that, I appreciate you though. He was basically like the best kept secret, like in the league for me, because I've seen a lot of guys, I watch tape of dudes, like, I watch Richie James tape, like guys that people know in respect, but not as far as, like, you know, you would think I'd be watching, you know, Jets all day, like, I love watching his tape, but, you know, I'll be watching, I'll be watching the third guy if I like what he does. So for me, it's like one thing Jacoby taught you that you didn't know. It's not really about the teach, because he's one of the most quiet human beings I've ever been around. Like, some people get, they're so quiet to where it's uncomfortable. If he wasn't so cool, if a person, they would be there, so he don't, he's not gonna be like, hey, tape, like, try this or that. But just like, certain small things, like, within his routes. He's not the fastest guy in the world, so he's really good at changing, like, he can move within his routes, change the pace while he's running full speed is something probably one of the best that I've seen so far, like, we got a rock called a Reader, right? So you dive in, get back vertical, and then based off the leverage of the guy defending you, you either break it across this way or go across this way, in the way he just set people up, like, you almost just, like, it's like watching basketball, like, people tell me that all the time. I feel like he looks more like he's playing basketball on a football. So you would watch him and be like, oh, shit, I'm doing that. Hell, yeah. But I said, that's your personality. That's just your smart guy, because I always say, I'm a sponge, like, that's how I learned everything. I barely made out of high school. I went to college for part of one semester. Everything I learned. Do you only went to college right because your dad gave you some money? Yeah, because I ran out of money and running a ski shop in my teens and my dad said, I said I need the bar $38,000. He said, only if you agree to go to college. And so I made it deal with the devil. He said, yes, I'm going to college for part of my semester. You fit the college. You fit the college. I said, I'm paying the shit off and I'm out. But all seriousness, like, for me, I love that. That mentality you have that says, I'm always going to learn from who it doesn't matter who it is. It's just, you're going to be learning every day from people around you. By the way, sometimes you learn shit not to do too, like, you know, of course, equal is one. That's some fucked up shit I ain't doing that. Yeah, but I'll tell you, I mean, I've had the privilege of being in the league NFL for 30 years, three decades. The fact that a guy of your caliber is open to learning from anyone. That's unusual and says something about the quality of person you are. So that's a, that's a great credit to you. That's amazing. And Bob, it's a credit to you. You bought a football team when you were five. That's pretty crazy. I mean, you were five years old when you bought the big hit. Thirty years. He was like, well, some people thought I was precocious for five years. But, not only that, well, it shows I didn't have economic sense because we paid the highest price ever paid for any sports franchise anywhere in the world in any league. And it was losing money. So you think it worked out, it worked out, it worked out, I do want to get back to learning from, you know, peers and other people. Do you still feel is that something you do when you're on set learning from other actors talking? I learned from other actors. I learned from businessmen. Like, I love when you invite me to your events. The first two hours that I'm there, I'm walking around trying to figure out who make money, how they make money. Can you teach me how to-- They call me money money. I know it's the one for me. That's why the people are asking you this. I mean, you, you were Rob and Kraft last year. You guys were a dancing combination. I mean, I thought you guys were going on dance with the stars. Like, at your event, the white party that we went to for Fourth of July, I spent hours walking around talking to people, finding out what they did for a living, met a bunch of team owners, I met investors, I met lawyers, doctors, all this-- it was funny because Dr. Oz was like, oh, no, you need to talk to this guy over here if you want to. Because I have my little tech company that I'm growing in Africa and I want to be the best business owner. What does that do? It does a lot. We have-- we do stuff on-- basically, we have our own stock exchange. It's called the busier. We have our own stock exchange. But then we have our own platform here in America, where it's black owned too. So we do our own Zoom. We have businesses, small businesses. Get on the stock exchange. We put them in conglomerates. But also, you can run everything, your entire business, your POS system, everything from the busier. But TV, it's also talking about-- you had an amazing moment, obviously, girlship. Your career took off like it exploded. How was that managing that, A, and then obviously it came with a lot of envy people like, how does she get this? How does she get that? Well, managing it was-- I don't know. I just enjoy every moment of it. I just try to have fun in every moment. I know it's a lot of jealousy. I know it's a lot of people like how she get to be herself everywhere. She got why she get to act like that, but it's like, I don't-- I'm not putting on air as I'm not pretending. I'm being who I am. I pretend they paid me millions of dollars to pretend on camera. I can be very serious and dramatic and very professional with all this kuth and whatever. But my real self is like, let's have fun, let's turn it up, whatever. I mean, I could be a gangster too. You know, I could be a police officer. I could be all these different things, but who I am is who I am. And I mean, I kind of-- I think I've always had people jealous of me. I just never paid them any attention. Does it hurt you when you see people jealous of you, like, I'm just being me? Or do you, like, fuck 'em, I'm more like, oh, yeah, I'm up. I kind of-- I'm not-- Like, set the right, like, really say a hundred feet. I don't see that following you at all. I don't see that following you at all, like, yeah. I feel really honored. And I give them love. I give them-- I want you to read this. This is a card I had made up. Jealousy and envy are inturable diseases. And it's the one time it is better to be a recipient than a donor. Wow, Bob, do you head those out at the owner's meetings? No, that's-- I love that. That's what we call an RKKism, because once you've established and all of you are in that category, that-- I'm kidding, can I keep it? Yeah, it's yours. Well, he only had one copy too. That's it. That's a pretty special. I have everybody. I have 20 or 30, but I just carry one in my pocket Just for moments like this. Thanks. Let me ask the room what keeps you all going right because once you get to the bag and Probo's and Subaru rings and you know building an incredible company and you know, incredible career What keeps you waking up every day and operating as if you don't have any of that you know for me? It's an obsession. It's the only thing I'm good at. What are you obsessed with? What thing? I'm obsessed with the action of the game of building my business like I grew up I was always like a hard athlete. I was the last guy to get picked in every team. I was that bad of an athlete I was a terrible student. It's like to me. I'm thriving in business and I love it and it's intoxicated You like I want more of it all the time. It's almost like now, but he's also off the charts. He is But I will unique and special, but it's so Fun to have a vision for something and go after whatever you got and sometimes you get W sometimes you get else But you just you keep getting a play of the game. So for me, I feel like Actually being really talented as a business leader that allows you You know to kind of do what you do as hard as you want as long as you want. I'll do this people think I'm nuts I literally work 18 hours a day 350 days a year and I'm gonna keep doing until I die and it's like it keeps me young It keeps me vibrant. It's fun to me. So like I'm obsessed with it. It's like legitimately in obsession What I need to try to do is just balance being a little bit normal sometimes like can you just put your phone down for a meal? can you you know Try to just concentrate not be so obsessed really like you just want action action action every second But you know flip side is I just love it. So like I'm honored to do it That's not me. I should is wouldn't just the build off of that one is like When would you say the point was when you decided you were gonna? Make your brand because I know your brand is obviously the fanatic thing and the corporate like the normal side of how to corporate You know it's that it is but the way you guys have made the you kind of went against the mold and it's not you know I mean it's just a different There's fanatics and then there's Michael Rubin which is one of the same But we it feels it feels like it's been a conscious effort from you Michael It has been not at all conscious effort. I'd say for me. I think I'm just always me. I don't give a shit with people think um, I just want to always do what I think is right and Like most let's keep this real most big CEOs most financially successful people like they're not fun They're boring like the people I don't want I mean Robert how many Robert I talk about this all the time Like hey, do you want to do this with me like I mean? No, this will be boring. It's shit. No. I'm not like I want to like Mostly him saying that's right right but but am I right a lot of times you're right Most of the time right and do you think that's good on your company? And do you think there's ever a point where you can't do that? Michael or can you do that? Oh you're always gonna be that right look There are times I get told like Michael you shouldn't do that Yeah, remember we talked about your Halloween costume that you posted which was amazing So you know what you do, which was it? So my journal is the weight loss drug It's taking me from a fat pludgy kid down to a hundred and fifty pounds swell individual And so real Mac was my boy Will and I wore my journal. It's the shot that you take so we were a mind shot We were out of my job costume and by walking down New York City and people are fucking dying Like and people who was meet you like there is Michael Rubin in a shot of my journal Like who would possibly wear this but to me it's almost like my self-deprecating part I don't want to credit from going from two hundred and ten pounds to a hundred people and love that That's my favorite part about you people to know yeah, that goddamn shot. It's amazing. Yeah, by the way If your chubby you should take it to yeah, so map by the way, we should talk to you about that Come on, he said to me, but he goes man, if you're born, you're not nearly as fun as you used to be I said Michael you're also skinny. You're not nearly as bad as me people change Tiffany is it ever you ever found yourself in places in Hollywood going for alls We're like it's gonna be hard to be myself in this room and how do you balance that yeah? I've walked in the same places and been like oh this is not my crowd Oh, well, they gonna have to learn how to deal with the habits today and and I like warm them up You know, I don't just like just bam here it is I'm just warm them up a little bit figure out who's into me. Who knows who I am mostly everybody knows who I am So then I'll just start you know being me and I know who won't be into it like I mean you lay up any room Yeah, one type of room would not be a tip in the head as you know, but he do should I say it say whatever you want Like a room for I know you're thinking you know what I'm with my thinking A room full of all born-ass white people I'm sorry for 11 years. I know how to work that I'm not gonna get everybody active. I was an energy producer That's my job. I produce amazing energy. That's that's what I do every day though Like I step into an environment. I know how to like make it move but like I did a thing for police officers And I was like and they were kind of like not really in the mood and then I got to talking to this one to get talking to that one Bam lit up I've walked into rooms with all actresses that are you know saying this isn't this isn't that You know, and I'm like why aren't if we just band together guys we could do this and I'm like shut up I'm like well, I see the soccer the female soccer players. I saw how they band it together They came together. They said this is what we need. This is what we're gonna do and we're not gonna work till this and then Things changed so if we just came together stop being out here complaining Like just sit down life is all about the numbers proving this is what look this how many movies I did There's how much money these movies made. There's how many followers. I got this is how many products I'm so that I don't even own but soon as I say something about it This is what the numbers do like I could like I'm a big data and like collect data collect information I will pay somebody to go get the information for me Bring me back to numbers because I can go to these people that are gonna pay me to be in this program to do this Think or whatever go these are the numbers numbers don't lie That's one thing that don't lie as numbers unless you don't know how to put them together We're sure we're sure about you just hired a new coach 24 years the same coach right wasn't about like 24 exactly Almost a quarter of a century quarter of a century Making that transition like you've had to do hard like Take us through that how hard was it to like should I gonna think about somebody a and in B His successor is a guy who you've I think known for a long time was there Did you even consider anyone else or were you like I got my I got my next guy right here? I had a chance to view Gerard Mayo when he got drafted by us and He then in a second year he got elected Captain for seven years with a lot of Veterans around voting for him and every year. I usually I've taken 27 missions of Players to the Holy Land and can you take me next time if you got some single players? Most of them are single But we had a situation where we there were about 15 or 18 players and I watched how Gerard worked with them And I said that's my next head coach Wow, Robert could I ask you and I just want to explain why because You know as you see players. How long have you been in the league 10 going on 11? All right, well in the last decade the players coming into locker room are different than when you came in 100% I'll say it all the time. Okay, so how you relate to them how you connect we're we're the ultimate team sport You can get paid and be number one But in the end if you want to win you're putting team first and you need guys around you who do that This guy did it and I think he can relate to young people today Bob in your mind What is the head coach of a NFL football teams? First second third responsibility's like do they need to be the most tactical draw the best place do they need to be? You know build a relate. What is the thing that you look well for me that makes a great coach? I think some of the All the players can relate to and feel or doing that and and then You need the tactical skills you need the game playing you need all the other things that need to be done But if they can't relate to the players. I don't know you were correct. What are you saying? Hey coaches? First job I completely agree. I think first off you have to be able to lead men like you know, you you're I hear a lot of players say that what does that actually tell me to be able to lead me You might need to ask her. I don't know she might have a better answer She doesn't know the way she brings energy to a crowd. Mm-hmm. You need the head coach To do that and get people pumped up I want to be with yeah around her I want to be part of this sometimes that like I'm not a big like The coach it was the coach. That's why the season was so horrible was just the coach the coach But sometimes in order for the team the set players that you have in a locker room to Realize and feel fulfill their full potential. You need somebody that they are willing to play for. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you've seen a difference, and I love Josh McDaniels. Like, I personally, like, I was advocate for him the whole time, and obviously it came to a point where it was clear that a change needed to be made, you know, similar to the Patriot situation, but, you know, I always backed him, but he, it was just different once we had it, made the change, and AP was in there, having a guy that, you don't necessarily have to play the game, but having played the game, you know, you can kind of understand it different, and we can, you know, you can sympathize with the players, the way you talk to 'em, you know, just the, whether it's the verbiage or the understanding that you approach your players with, you've seen that with AP immediately. So, when you have guys that have lived it a little bit, you can unlock a little bit of something with a few players, where you think that you need a new, you know, end, or a middle-backer, whereas you might need a new coach in there that can really make that guy really do what he's supposed to do, play like the player he's supposed to be, and then that happened with a lot of guys. Like, you thought that we needed to feel some gaps on defense, and maybe we could have a few spots, but a couple of guys started showing up out of nowhere, and we looked like one of the best defenses in the league, you know. And that was because the leadership he brought? I mean, it's a piece of that for sure. Speaking of AP, what did it feel like going through that process? 'Cause it looked different from a fan standpoint, how you guys rallied around him. I saw one of the players famously said, if he's out, I'm out, right? And I thought, who said that? - That was Max. I mean, we were all kind of on the same, you know, mental with that because, and for me, like, and I know the Patriot way. Like these men go and hoist that trophy every of the year, so they've really experienced real winning. So for me, like, I've never been a cigar in the locker room guy, like, you know, unless it's a Super Bowl, I haven't won one, but that's my idea of when that's the right time to do that. And, you know, we got a lot of backlash for the way there. We were celebrating some of the wins on the back half of the season. And, you know, from the outside, maybe I would be saying the same thing, but being in that locker room and being a part of what we were, what we went through this year, unless you were in there and understood, then you just, you maybe just won't get it. And you'll think that it's kind of crazy. And we, you know, we celebrating too soon and all of that. I was in the videos with him, and normally I'll be trying to hide to stay away from that stuff. I'm like, man, F that, like, we deserve this, because this is a new season for us right now. And right now, we're doing pretty damn good. A nuance of what you said, you know, you didn't think you shouldn't celebrate like that. But what you've all go through in terms of the hard work and the physical part of everything, you're willing to do it when you've got the right leadership. I mean, that's correct. - 'Cause you feel it differently, right? - Yeah, you see, like, they, that somebody put, you know, the internet is undefeated. You go on Twitter, the game that we want, we beat the Giants the week after our last win, I think, think when we played the Patriots, you look at the locker room, how we looked in that locker room, in the locker room, like, it was like a picture of Josh talking to the team after we won, and you see probably like, 10, 8, 10 players, and everybody's just kind of like, and then you see the next week when we beat the Giants, like, it looked like, it was-- - Relax, relax, relax, the Giants. - Yeah, relax, relax, relax. - So for everybody, relax, you said the Patriots. - Yeah, you got one. (laughing) So by the way, what we're talking about with the Raiders now, and with the Patriots, two black head coaches, which is always a topic of conversation. - Five in the league now. - Is there five? - Mm-hmm. - Five in the league is always a topic of conversation, which I always think, I actually, maybe I'm naive, I believe, like, I know you for sure. You're going for the best person for the Giants, right? - I want to win. - You want to win, I think people want to win. Maybe I'm naive, but is there a sense amongst the players, like, oh, shit, our new coach is black, this is different? Was there any conversation with the players about that? - You know, I think just the, this is just the, we've been, we've been honest. I think that depending on the location of the team, makes that a bigger deal. - What do you mean? - Like, a black head coach on the Patriots is going to be much bigger in my mind, at least, than putting a black head coach on the Raiders as far as the way it's perceived. And the same will go for Green Bay. I think that's just kind of the nature of it. - Try it and just say that. - That's how you try to still say that. - You know what I mean? Like, I think that's just the way that it is. Some of the teams are not, it's not looked at as, you know, like, there's any racism attached to it or anything like that. No negative connotations, but it's more of like, just the history that's been there, and you haven't really seen it happen that way before. And, you know, the Raiders is just a little bit of a, a different type of thing. - Well, they had the first ever black coach in the history of the league, the Raiders did just. Our child, with our child. - Yeah. - Well, there you go. - Yeah. - Part of this whole thing I'm doing with Blue Square is to build bridges against hatred. - Yeah, and I saw what you did, obviously, with the ad in the Super Bowl, which I commend you, it was amazing to reach out, make that phone call. Talk about that, Bob. What made you feel like you wanted to do that? And really? - Well, you know, I'm a little worried about what's going on in America. In 2017 after Charlotteville, seeing men dressed like Nazis, holding signs, saying, "Jews won't replace us. Blacks won't replace us." And, you know, we're trying to educate the American public that they can't be silent. They gotta stand up to hate. - You know, we've been talking a lot about success. You know, this whole group has had in their main professions. I know something that's dear and dear to both your hearts, reform. We'd be remiss if we didn't talk about that. What I wanna, the point I want to discuss is why. Why is that important to you, right? Like, if I look at it at face value, it's like successful business. Money, all these things, why is reform important? - By the way, Michael, before you do that, Tiffany, we know you gotta go. We love you. We appreciate you being here. - Thank you. - We want you to do amazing things. - 'Cause I gotta show them like myself. - She's gonna get ready for a show. - And they didn't lie in my back up, but that's okay. You know, back away from the camera. - She's gonna do a show. She's gonna. - Yeah, I got a show. - Look amazing. - Thank you. - Oh, thank you. I'll see y'all later. - So, for me, if I'm being completely blunt, I didn't really care about making a difference. Any time someone would come to me before 2017, and you hit me up and said, "Hey, you know, "can you donate to my charity?" I was always great at writing a check. But I never wanted to spend time. 'Cause my mentality was I work hard if I'm successful financially, and then help other people financially. And then, look, everyone knows the story when Robert's friend, all of our friends, when he went to prison for not committing a crime, would change his life and my life. And a lot of ways, you know, probably millions of people's lives, was me said to me, "Hey, can you come to court? "I want you to see what happens "when a black person goes to court." And I never thought anything of it. I'm like, "Hey, you really want me to come all come?" And watching a judge sentence him to prison for two to four years, for popping a wheelie on a motorcycle, which was a traffic violation. Like, as a white person coming from a middle-class family, I didn't believe that was possible. And so, in the beginning, it was really only about how do we get him at a prison. And what happened was my entrepreneurial instincts kicked in. And now, I realize it's not just this one-off, crazy fucked-up situation. It was really that, this is the way black America works and that you had, you know, as I started looking into this and understanding it more, 25% of the people that go to prison and jail each year don't actually commit a crime. As a middle-class, you know, white person going up, you believed everyone who went to prison was guilty. Like you said, "Hey, 99% of the people that go to prison, "they're because you didn't believe actually, "25% of the people that go to prison or jail were for a technical violation." So, I think in a lot of ways, we were lucky. I think Meek was kind of his destiny to have that happen in front of me and me learn about the system. And then I, you know, said to Meek when he was in prison, "Hey, man, when you get out, "we gotta start kind of an organization to fight this." And the amazing thing was, and this is what people don't understand. Two-thirds of the people in the criminal justice population are actually on probation and parole, not in prison or jail. And so, taking what happened to Meek and just setting the reform alliance up to change the probation and parole laws was like natural and instinctual. Five years later, we've changed 18 laws in 11 states and created a pathway for over 800,000 people. It shouldn't be on probation for all to kind of exit the system. And that's something that's been incredibly rewarding, but I'll tell you, if I'm just being blunt, had I not lived it through Meek personally, I wouldn't have given a shit. - You wouldn't even know. - I wouldn't have. - No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. That's just kind of like, it was thrust upon us and then it was our responsibility to do the right thing. - But Michael deserves a lot of credit for really spearheading this effort and leading it. And I'll tell you, he really did something amazing here and his friendship with Meek through him. I met Meek and I was on vacation with Michael and I guess Meek, we spoke with Meek and Meek invited me. He was in jail and invited, he said, "Come visit me." I mean, it's crazy. The system was really messed up. And so it changed my life and educated me to something that I wouldn't believe. The night Robert came out of there, Robert called me like five times. And it went from like, before he resolved firsthand, why are you spending so much time on this? To that night, he called me like, "Why hasn't he got me got a prison yet?" I don't understand. Why is he not at a prison yet? He told me that he changed things in the jail. Oh, I've been to that prison 20 times. It never looked good when Robert Kraft was coming. That shit was clear. It was like a different place. I was like, "I've been here 20 times. This place never looked like this before." It's like a perfect, like a nice place when Robert Kraft was coming. Michael Remingers, they didn't give you shit. I saw it in the normal prison. Robert Kraft comes at prison, looks spectacular. No, and me told me that night. Then I went out and there were like 20 members of the media. And I spoke out too with Michael. I mean, I couldn't believe it. How does that make you guys feel? Because to see me in that situation and understand the country and to your point, Michael, something you had no idea about. And I've heard you say a quote about this. "To now understand people who come from a different environment than you guys, who didn't have the opportunity." Because I've heard you say to a journalist, if I grew up in that environment, I would have been just maybe the biggest drug dealer ever. The best. And how does that make you change your thinking of people from where we all come from? Yeah, look, my belief is a lot of people are a product of an environment that they're around. I was very fortunate to grow up in a, you know, very middle-class family and, you know, I think, see the world from a positive lens. I say it all the time and I'm serious when I say it, how I grown up, the way me growed up, I would have been an incredible drug dealer. And I would have been the best in the biggest edit, but that's by what I would have done. Like, people think I'm fucking around when I say it, but my point is like, you know, it's our responsibility to create opportunities for others. One of the things I love doing is, you know, kind of all of us pushing each other up. I mean, you, and you know that about me. I mean, a huge person. I'm like, we all got to push each other up. And like, you know, I'm always pushing him. He's pushing me. I'm pushing you. You're pushing me. Like, we all got to push each other to be better. I think I'm fortunate to grown up the way I did. And by the way, look, I grew up in a 42,000-dollar house today that would probably cost four or five hundred thousand dollars. So I grew up, you know, very middle-class. But I think we're all worrying about, I'm going to be shot this day. Am I going to survive, you know, the neighborhood I live in. So for me, I think it's our responsibility to, you know, find ways to help others and bring people together. And that's what, when you talk about, like, I love building fanatics as a CEO, fanatics, but I get as much satisfaction out of what we're doing with the reform alliance, and what we're now doing with Make-A-Wish, or what we do when we did the All in Challenge. Because like, look, you came through, yes, I called you and said, hey, can you come through and help us with something we're doing with Make-A-Wish? And one second, you're there. Like, watching those smiles in those kids' faces, it's pretty damn rewarding. So we all know we're lucky, shit, so I'm going to give back to you. I want to hear from you. You deserve, even though you're younger than all of us, actually. You're the most wise. Last, I want to hear your point of view on this last. How did that change? How do you see people from an environment that's different than you? You're around a lot with the -- Yeah, I realized going to jail with Michael to visit me, really changed me. I knew that black people were disadvantaged in certain ways. They're not giving -- because Jewish people, I know, they're skinnism black, but it's similar discrimination. And so we do have core values. We got to stay with it, and we got to push back. This probation system is really messed up. I don't know who engineered it, but it's definitely geared to disavailage black people. And it's not right. I agree. Thank you, Bob. We'll see all everybody. 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