Michael Douglas: Tells All Pt 2

And I say I say you know what she says what I'm gonna be the father of your children and Jesus is long pause and she looks at me and says you know Michael I've heard a lot about you I've read a lot about you and I guess it's all true somebody gonna cue me or do I cue myself okay welcome back everyone to part two that's right our guest is so big our guest is so big he needed not one episode but two episodes please welcome back to the podcast I mean I don't just say producer actor director let's call him an author yes author Michael Douglas tell me about the casting of Alex for fatal attraction another movie that I again I stop what I'm doing every time I see it I'm like oh supposed to stop men from cheating it was supposed to stop men from cheating but it didn't stop you did it Michael Douglas well you know we were Adrian line a wonderful director and we were you know we were struggling about trying to find the right person for the role it started really with with Ann Archie who's playing my wife and Adrian I both agreed you let's just have a cliche let's I have necessarily the the mistress so much more beautiful so let's go with it you know I really have a beautiful wife is how could you have done this how could you park and Archie beautiful listen that anyway Glenn and Express strong interests your agents wanted to try and all of this and she's a wonderful actress and illustrious career even at that point we just refuse she was right finally she said I'll come in I let me audition for the park well I said well and we look at each other we can't stop or we've said no and everything else that let's let the audition with part and it just goes to show you and she came in she had a wig she brought a wig in had her hair in a different way and she sold us it was one of the great auditions I've ever seen and reminding me from that I never to question anybody when they say that you know let me let they want it so bad that they're willing to audition for it those the went both women Glenn and Ann were so sexy in that movie it was really just a very very sexy diabolical film I loved it yeah yeah it said it was yeah memory was so true when we're doing all of our promotion worldwide and and became the France and of course the French crazy French we all had this yeah it was the biggest picture of the year it was the biggest picture of the year in France every wife tried to us been there look at what you've done to me so then let's cut to that now you win your Academy Award for acting when you played Gordon Gecko in Wall Street is there a difference did you feel a difference between winning an Academy Award for producing and then versus one for acting yes yes is the short answer but producing the producing story was like like a dream come true business so unexpected you were 31 years old no yes yes I was and the acting you know my father is it's hard to explain to a lot of people who aren't really old enough to know him or his career was was really larger than life was extraordinary both in his performances and a smiley kiss and other great movies that he's done but he's just larger life in general you get it obvious with of course of course yes oh my gosh it was you know what I was lucky enough to get to do that really lucky that she was and he was too but he could be an outrageous flirt as he was very flirty yes as you know so to win to win as an actor is it's something that you you've been nominated by your fellow actors so I remember being so touched like I nominated by my my fellow actors you know it's like wow I already felt like I had some credibility and then to win was really the the the moment for me where I finally felt that I had stepped out of the shadow of my father and I could be considered in my own person so it meant a tremendous amount it's incredible great is good great is good yeah great is that all the time yeah dad always had that we had one of his best lines from my son Michael Michael have I knew how successful you're gonna be I would have been a hell of a license to you but it's interesting that you it wasn't until that moment that you felt that you had come out of your father's shadow because I like it for me you are having interviewed both of you you are such different people you are so so so clearly different that even though I foundationally know that you are I must what I'm saying is true because they lost all of the ambulance goes off every time what I say is true I I foundationally know that you are father and son but that is where it stops for me you are so different in every way that I don't feel you I know that you as the son feel like you must have been in his shadow but to me it never to me the consumer the viewer it never felt that way to me yeah probably not you know and it was I I had as it's achieved a fair amount by then but it was a big thing and I mean dad had been nominated three times he had never won so I guess it just it meant a lot but I hear what you're saying is very kind to you tell me about working with Oliver Stone what was that like tell me about his style well first of all I guess you have to look at Oliver's list of pictures and understand one key factor he starts off with Jimmy Woods you know South of the door Charlie sheen and platoon Kevin Costa and JFK time crews important the fourth of July about Kilmer and the doors what I'm saying is that Oliver has given a largest number of actors the best performances of their life and one of the ways that he does that besides writing really good parts is he's not the patriarch he's not the father figure who's nurturing the young actors he's a Vietnam veteran who places his actors like in the trenches with him so he pushes you he pushes you and tests you and is rough and you end up adoring him because of what you're able to accomplish I just finished actually I've been doing a a picture called white lies now which is sort of a biography autobiography of his life and everything and wish he asked me to play his father in the role and it was great to see him again but he's he's one of the really great talents a tormented man for sure but it's just extraordinary the number of actors who gave their best performances with Oliver it's tough sounded tough tough yeah for sure yeah tell me why you didn't cast me as Catherine Tremel in basic instinct it's just getting out of the way now why I just want to know why that movie was again Jan let's think about it think about the movies that shaped our that's one of the movies that shaped I mean as I was a young actor it was my first like I think I've been in New York maybe five years and that film came out and I remember my hairstylist at the soap opera I was working on took me to see it he had already seen it and he said I want you to I want you to see Sharon Stone in this movie because I want you to pay attention to her. She's this girl. This is this girl is this is going to be a thing. This girl is that to be a thing. Yeah, so tell me like it tell me about Sharon Stone. I do believe though. I think that because I've now seen Michael play in behind the candleabra when when he was um Liberace. I think that you have chemistry with a candleabra. Like you have chemistry with everyone. I don't really think it's a unique thing because I keep saying all of the chemistry between you know you and Glenn Close or you and Ann Archer or you and Kathleen Turner or you and Danny DeVito or you and a piano. It is wild. The amount of chemistry that you generate is that something that you are aware that you have. Do you turn that on? Can you turn it off? I think I've got to give a lot of credit to to Carl Maldon in terms of and my father who also the best advice we give me is learn to listen or practice listening. So many actors are just waiting for their next lines that they're not really listening to that other person and I think that's really what makes you closer is the ability for each other to listen uh listen to each other that and the fact that going from the very beginning when you're regularly on a series I know there's difficulty come in as an actor for a smaller part or not as quite as well known. So you try I do my utmost to try to make actors feel comfortable so that you're comfortable and you relax and you can listen to each other and listening immediately creates chemistry and I think that's the the biggest lesson I learned. Sharon was was a wonderful week. Just could not cast the part we were looking we we're Paul and I and going through all these actresses and of course Paul felt it was necessary that every time we met an actress and he kind of liked he would say yeah his dutch way say yeah you know there be nudity huh there's nudity and I say Paul Paul relax it was go easy on the nudity all right my name is like the importance he didn't want to mess around you know right and there be nudity nudity he loves you know he loves nudity Paul loves nudity yeah yeah so um I was actually away in Europe and Paul and I think he was total recall that he had done with Sharon I hope we got the picture right yeah you're right so he knew about it so he had come in and I think he probably planned this while I was away and he auditioned with Sharon and again this is one of these stories I never knew I knew that Paul was obsessed but I never knew if anything was really happening of this or that but Paul sent me the test the screen test that he did with Sharon I said my god she's incredible she's she's she's great she's fantastic and so that was that it was again it was right right casting and and a good part and she was she was a joy to work with behead of you all worked well we had the issues on that picture I think I don't know if you remember because there was a love scene Sharon but Sharon went both ways she had a girlfriend in the picture as well as as me they decided that they're going to make this an issue and protest the fact of a movie that has lesbian as villains now for an actor a male actor you love playing a villain is the best part you could you could have you know it's great but they presented the idea that a lesbian could be a villain and so we had these incredible protests I mean just we had SWAT teams protecting his filming in San Francisco from the protests that's why it's that's really why it was it was it was while and of course it stopped but the movie came out rumor has it that you punched Paul Verhoeven in on is that just a rumor now what happened what happened as a picture got towards the end and I could see and she was doing a great job but I was beginning to kind of raise my hand and say what about me you know me and everything was about about Sharon like it's he there was an obsession to Paul hand whether I don't know what it was you know like naked girl see like some naked all right so he came into my trailer I asked to be coming in the trailer and I talked about it so listen you know you're not giving me any direction kind of him just everything's about Sharon and listen that as we were talking and it was heated but not yelling but it was heated all of a sudden he got I think it's called aneurysm and a vein exploded up and exposed and all of a sudden blood just started pouring out of his nose just pouring out and his hands were filled and listen my god and so we got him out of the trailer and as he came out of the trailer his hands covered with blood live with the heels the story became and I had punched him and everything which I hadn't but he had just gotten I guess so upset himself that yeah he he punched himself in the face so tell me about meeting the real love of your life Catherine Zeta Jones the great Catherine Zeta Jones both Albert and I are traveling next week so I know you pride yourself in being the best traveler so what are your tricks of the trade everything I pack I planned to the day so if I'm going out at night my pants have to work from day to night my my sweater has to work from day to night um and then of course I take my workout gear because I think that I travel better and I adjust to the time difference better if I get a workout in so I make sure that I have workout clothes workout sneakers then everything else is a comfy pair of travel shoes that I can wear out to dinner but walk through walk around a city and right I like to take a carry on bag I don't like to check a bag when I travel I I got that from Mark yeah and it really is the greatest thing to do for yourself is to not have to check a bag well and also this trip that I'm going on because of you yes I'm flying mint to London I'm so jealous I'm jealous jealous we were going we're literally only going for like two days and I said to Kyle what if we went mint like god so excited first of all the lighting oh the lighting is so good the plane is so I wonder if you'll have my pilot I love my flight crew do you love that they're my pilot but I I just find that to be you arrive rested yeah full lie flat seats the food and you know me I'm always like every time we fly out but it's like what are you gonna eat what are you gonna eat what are you gonna eat and I'm like I don't care I'm gonna try to eat nothing I'm gonna try to like fall asleep mint food is so good it is like being in a restaurant it's elevated cuisine mint menu is one of my favorite things to send you and you do you send me you send me your menu and then you tell me then you ask me what you should order yes and then you tell me what you've ordered of course you photos I have to book men because you know I'm not a great flyer I get nervous you won't be nervous I'm in the way you describe this it's like an experience that I will just be so happy it is a singular experience it is better than every it is other I'm telling you like it's part of your vacation like I always see the flight is just getting to my vision no it's part of my vacation it's sometimes it's my favorite part of my vacation I mean truly yeah again I can't say enough the crew members are so helpful help like happy to be there very really lovely yep the pilot attentive attentive they greet you when you get on the plane yep and you should ask if they have because it's it because you're traveling international I bet they'll have the pizza and you should ask them to put a side of piece of pizza in the box just in case you're sleeping I'll take one home for you yeah it's so good it's so so good mint is jet blues take on business class yeah but I would say it's I mean it's better it's it's better than business it's like what it's what first class used to be yeah it's really it's an elegant way to travel I love it yes so my advice to Jan is pack light and let your flight be the good part that's the good part that's awesome that's the start of your vacation visit jetblue.com to learn more and to book your next flight. (upbeat music) So tell me about meeting the real love of your life, Catherine Zita Jones, the great Catherine Zita Jones. - I was actually in a screening of-- - Was it Zoro? - Zoro, yeah. - Yeah, it's amazing. - Yeah, so I mean, a screening of Zoro, actually, I'm with my real mother and my father. We both all happened to be there. And at the screening of this house in Los Angeles, and this woman came out of the screen. And I just, I said, "My God." And up until that time, I think I had this big crushed thing on Julie Christie. Julie Christie was, to me, the most beautiful woman I'd seen on screen. And I just saw her, oh my God, who is this, you know? And it was fantastic. Then a day or two later, I was really a square magazine. And I see the profile on Catherine. And in the profile, it's since she likes older men. So I go, oh, oh, okay, wow, keep the bike. Now I'm off promoting a picture in Europe. I think it was a perfect murder. And I'm finishing a whole long, a whole long promotion to all these different countries. And I'm ending up with the Doveville Film Festival. The last stop, we're screening a picture. And as a festival, a movie is screened each night and you go there and all that. And I look at the schedule. And I see the Zorro is coming the next night after us. So I ask my assistant, is it fine out if Catherine seated Jones is coming and if she's coming alone and could I have a drink with her? And he comes back, he says, yes, she is coming. She's coming alone, she'll be happy to have a drink but she's leaving early in the next morning but she's making this film entrapment. We're showing Catherine. So I say great, great. So they arrive. I have now done my night. I'm finished with my tour. All bets are off, party time. No more interviews, nothing to do. - Did you try to look like an old man? (laughing) - Yeah, bad, it didn't say long. (laughing) And so we have a drink together. And Antonio Benderer is there with Melanie Griffith, who I know and worked with before at Antonio. And we have a drink and then they're going off for dinner while the movie's being screened and then they're gonna go do a Q&A. And so the last minute is a leaving. Antonio says you want to join us for dinner. And I go, well, I looked at Catherine sort of like to get a permission because I don't want to impose, she's not so cashier. So they say yes. So yeah, so I get to go to have dinner. And then after dinner, they're going off to do the Q&A after the thing. And I say good night. I can't go back to the hotel, but you know, for a night camp great, but if not, I've been disappointed knowing you. All right, so I go back to the hotel and I get whacked, I'm all finished working now and everything else. And I'm sitting there drinking in the bar and hotel. And then it felt like Lawrence of Arabia in the Mirage of the Desert. And I look at the front door and they'll tell the door of all and it looks to me like Catherine Zeta Jones is walking in and let's see. I know she comes and she walks away. I'm just gonna have to drink and I go, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, so we sit down and I'm doing my clearance to be articulate and the conversation is coming fabulously and then I talk about, I say, well, you know, we talk about golf and she goes, oh, I love golf. I say, you do? You love golf? And she says, yeah, I guess it's great. I love golf. Then it turns out we're talking and we have the same birthday. September, September 25th, 25 years difference. We have the same birthday. I can't believe it. Now I'm looking at her and I say, I say, you know what? She says, what? I'm gonna be the father of your children. (laughing) And Jesus is long pause and she looks at me and says, you know, Michael, I've heard a lot about you. (laughing) I've read a lot about you and I guess it's all true. (laughing) And good night and she gets up and she leaves. I go, oh my god, I'm ruined and I'm ruined, yeah. And I've always thought I had a florist to thank because she left the next morning and she flew the tip of top of Scotland and then she took a fairy boat to some little island where she's filming. Meanwhile, I woke up in the morning and shared with my assistant how I got to play center flowers, center some flowers by apologies and somehow those flowers got there to her before she arrived and they're in her room with biopologies and everything else. And so now it was the beginning and then she had me dance to you around for about a year and a half. And then you proposed? - I proposed on the millennium. I proposed on New Year's Eve 1999. - Isn't that crazy? I guess you figured like what the hell 'cause we all thought the world was ending, right? - I didn't know that but I wouldn't forget the date. (laughing) So I was gonna propose to her and I was all excited about it and then about two days before I couldn't find the ring, I got a ring for it and I couldn't find the ring. - And listen, I gotta tell you, you know, Albert Chan, this is Michael Douglas. - This is a big ring. - This is a substantial ring. - This is not a ring that you, you know, you and I, we could lose our rings very easily. Nobody would be any otherwise here. This is a ring that is not to be lost. And just before that, we had been in Swansea, her hometown in Swansea, Wales. And I mean, carrying the ring for me. For me, that was, we had our way to Colorado to ask for it for the holiday. And so I had the ring and you need, and Catherine, tell you what it meant, she's, she's, well, you know, when I came into the room and at that holiday in, we were staying out in Swansea and you kind of, you made this gesture. Could you have been hiding the ring in the sheets? Maybe forgot that it was there. I said, you know, you're right. So I called, I couldn't leave, I called him. Hello, hello, how old are you? Can I have a housekeeping please? Yeah, hello, housekeeping. And there's the high, Mr. Hallow, Mr. Douglas, how are you? I said, you would, oh, yes, we have a little box here. I think you left it. And it was still there, and they got it to me by FedEx. Catherine's mother went over me to her hometown and Wales picked it up, got it FedEx and boom. Let me tell you that is, that is an advertisement for the Swansea holiday in the honesty of the workers there. That is a cute, extraordinary, really extraordinary. No, she, she go along with a Rolex watch with me. That's right, exactly. So, okay, I want to talk about a very dark, a dark part of your life. You receive a cancer diagnosis. Right, right. And you said that it was throat cancer, but it really wasn't throat cancer. And explain everything to me. And when did you first know something was wrong? Well, unfortunately, I first knew something was wrong about nine months before this. When I had gone to my doctor, and I shared a soreness in the back of my throat. And, sorry, I started thinking about it. And they said, well, he gave me some antibiotics that I didn't have, I went to a period of the dentist and see that. And, and much of people, and it, it persisted. And about two or three months later, I went back and did the same thing again, he did, he examined me and period of the dentist and all this. And they, they, they didn't prescribe antibiotics for me. And then, I went to Europe, and nine months had gone by. And it was still bothering me. And I went with a friend of mine to Canada, up into Canada. And I was just telling him, in passing about this. And he had cancer in his life. And he said, "Maybe you should see my doctor." And I said, "Well, I've seen the doctors made a scene." And I went up to this doctor in Canada. And he took it. I remember seeing a little wooden tongue depressor. And it was up very close to me. And he held my tongue down, and he looked in there. And our eyes were like four inches away from each other. And then I saw him look in. And then I saw him look me in the eye, and then look back again. And then slowly, he held the pressure out. And he said, "Well, I think we need to take a biopsy of that." And I said, "A biopsy of what?" And he picked me with anesthesia and snipped off a little thing off the back of my tongue. And then three days later, he called me in the office and told me that I had cancer. And so let me decide where it had treated. And I said, "Well, if I have to be in here, I'm going to be in New York City." So he reached out to who the best person was, which was Sloan Kettering. And then Dr. Shaw explained to me, "This is the cancer that you have. If we're not successful with the chemo and the radiation." And he said, "I'm on college. I'm a surgeon. So I'm going to turn you over to people for radiation and chemotherapy. But if that does not work, then we're probably going to have to remove part of your jaw and part of your tongue. So my recommendation, because of the work that you're in, is to say that you have throat cancer. So they will not have the connotations that tongue cancer will have. And that's why we kind of made up the story between the Dr. Shaw and myself about that. And fortunately, well, it's been 16 years now. I guess it's about 15 years. And the cancer free, but it was stage four. And you know, it wasn't. And you had little kids. We did. And the other difficult thing was. As I lost two friends at that same time with similar cancer, Larry Hagman. Yeah, right? Larry Hagman and Nick Astrid. Nick Astrid, Astrid Simpson. But I knew very well. I had the same thing and we lost them. So I felt very fortunate. I remember. Larry Hagman was on our show. And like two weeks later, passed away. I remember, because I was like, "Wait, Larry was unfortunate because you remember they had a remake of Dallas, right?" And he was. And so he, you know, he had a certain age, the parts that come that often. So he really was so excited about it. He was doing it. So he attempted to do this moderate chemo, moderate level of chemo that allowed him to still function, you know, to still shop for work. But he needed to get, you know, watch with the series if you're going to get it, you know, and so unfortunately didn't work. Oh, man. I'm so glad that you were aggressive with the treatment. I really, really, really am. Okay, now I have to ask because Albert is vibrating. He wants to know about behind the candlelight. Oh, great. I mean, I have to say, it was, you know, I thought I had seen you do it all. But then I was blown away by your portrayal of Liberace. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I was actually directed by Stephen Soderberg. And before that, and before my cancer, I did a movie called Traffic with Stephen. And Stephen's a very pencil sort of guy. And he quite always thinking about, and traffic was about, I was playing the drugs, or in the US, it was about drug issue, the problems. And one pencil moment, Stephen was looking away and thinking, thinking, the intern only said, have you ever thought about playing Liberace? I said, what? And I said, what do you tell him? I'm walking a little fade for the day. He said, what is this? He said, and that was all I remember just saying that. And then years later, he handed me this fabulous, richly gruff and a screenplay. I'm behind the candle opera. And told me I had Matt Damon wanted to play the other role. And this was after my cancer was the first time he wasn't sure about his arrogant work again. I was just so, so ecstatic about it. It was just a wonderful opportunity to play this great character. You know, it's really fun. I love doing characters and falling down was another kind of one way just like to do it. It's just much fun doing character. I forgot about falling down, which I think is my all-time favorite role that you know. That is that I'm going to tell you about falling down. That was at a time where my agent was desperate to try to get me to move to Los Angeles because she was like, look, all you're going to do in New York is work on the soap opera for the rest of your life. You got to go to LA. And I saw falling down and I was like, I'm never falling. I am never moving to LA. Scary shit happens there all the time. So you kept me in New York, Michael. Oh, I have got good to hear. I guess good to hear. You're so open and so honest in this book. You talk about, it's like really a roller coaster. There's so much joy, but there's so much. There's a lot of hardship. And in your son Cameron and his addiction and the time he spent in prison, tell me about that part of not just going through it, but going through it publicly. Yeah. Well, it's something, unfortunately, I share with a lot of parents, a lot of families out there. And the disease, the disease of drug addiction, it took up an enormous part of his life from getting kicked out of school when he was 13 years old for pot. And the big problem is now, look, I wasn't introduced to marijuana until I was in college and I was 19. And the little bit that I do know is that, you know, these adolescent years and your teen years is when your systems are still growing. So, for instance, your endorphin systems of feeding well, of having feeding well-being, is repressed in those early years if you start doing drugs. And, you know, kids starting at 13 to 14. And then particularly at this point in time, with how strong the drugs are. But it's roller coaster started that young and they didn't get better for Cameron for years and years. Until he finally reached a point where he was in prison for seven and a half years in the federal prison. Painful as a parent, I think. Yeah, well, also, you know, for drugs for selling drugs, but not for a violent crime or anything at that level. But it's, you know, I mean, it's very, very painful for his mother and father over all those years. And I certainly, my heart goes out to him. And I'm very close to Cameron to stay and I love him. And he's in good shape. But we had too many late night phone calls in the middle of the night. We're worried about it. And you reach your point and there was with him where I had to tell him, you know, Cameron, if you feel me pulling away, it's because I'm just worried that you can either kill somebody or you're going to kill yourself, you know. And it's a hard phone call to have. It's a hard phone call to have. It's really hard. And I lost my half brother Eric from an accident over dose when he was 44. So our family's gone through our share of drug addiction pain. And I. I wish I had an answer for, I do know for all those mothers and fathers who try to do the best they can, they also have to take care of themselves because you know it's one thing when your kid goes down, it's another thing when you're going down too and so it's very hard balancing to have a, I'm not saying tough love is the only answer but you got to protect yourself too. Yeah and how is he doing now? He's doing good, he's good, he's an actor you know he's out there he obviously lost, he lost some years but he's a, he's a telly young guy and he's given me two beautiful grandchildren, a writer, a little five-year-old boy and a year old girl and I see mine which, I see more of them, they're on the west coasts you know I'm on the east coast but you know. You know it's so interesting when I was reading your book you were referencing both of your parents memoirs and I was thinking how interesting it would be to be able to read about your parents' life from their perspective, I mean most of us don't have parents that write memoirs. Right. What do you think your parents would think about reading one hell of a ride? I think they would be okay for, I think they would be fine, dad will feel happy, he's my son, you know take it after me and my mother would say oh Jerry I think they would be okay because again as I said I'm a lovely line dad said son if I knew how successful you were I would have been much nicer to you so I did it you know the fact that it's all for that okay it's a great it's a great great book I really think you should consider making it into a yeah I really do it's it's it's fast it's so fascinating you've led such an interesting life oh and you know what else I was telling Chan before you logged on I knew Chacha no I swear to God yes okay I knew Chacha through Stan Rosenfield right right and so Stan introduced us and he said I used to take my kids when they were little to his place for ice cream and I lived on Crosby Street at the time and he and he said to me I'm not kidding he said to me you know Crosby Street is where we used to bury the bodies haha I didn't ask any other questions I didn't want to know what bodies yeah but also Stan said if you ever get into any trouble yeah yeah Chacha and it's so interesting that we have like so many like commonalities in the book in the book I we know a lot of the same people a lot well you look wonderful I'm so happy it's like it's treating you well I'm thrilled I'm very very sweet of you take the time thank you I listen thank you I want all of our listeners make sure you pick up your copy of one hell of a ride and Michael thank you for doing our podcast it's always a pleasure to see my pleasure my pleasure I'll push each other soon definitely my love to the family okay bye bye see you bye bye bye did you read how in the prologue he went and called all the women yes in his life wait called all them to make sure it was okay to talk about his relationships with them we can imagine that phone call it's like hi it's Michael that's Michael Douglas remember when we bang and remember how we lied about it for 30 years no I mean honestly that to me was the most fascinating that phone called must have been saying oh my god and you were obsessed with his acceptance speech oh my god with Matt Damon where he re-holds up the award and he said you deserve half of this do you want the top or the bottom yeah he's just like one of my favorite the best actors of all time did you ever audition for anything he was involved in no nothing I was really I was really trying to go through it and I was like I must have read for something but I did not the only thing I I after basic instinct came out you know every actress was after that role showgirls because it was you know it was it was it was going to be the next basic instinct and on my agent at the time was like are you sure you won't do nudity and I was like I'm positive I won't do nudity she's like it's but it's dancing she's a dancer and so the nudity is justified I'm like I'm not interested so I never even read for that when everybody was reading for showgirls so yeah I didn't I didn't read for any anything starring Michael Douglas but at that point like there was like I'm there was I think by the time yeah no I was already on the talk show when traffic came out and like film yeah he came out for that right yeah yeah yeah and so did she wow she was pregnant wow and so was I I remember I remember watching that movie knowing how uncomfortable she had to be making that movie and then I remember when she was pregnant with her daughter and I was pregnant with my son I'm trying to remember we have kids the same ages but I'm not sure if it's our sons or daughters or in which which I think I think I was pregnant with yeah my son when she was pregnant with her daughter anyway she was walking at the red carpet and she was going through like the whole like Academy award wind up all red carpet after red carpet pregnant and I remember having the institutional knowledge that that is she's uncomfortable wow because like you know it's one thing to go through that gamut of award show you know award show after award show after award show it's another thing to do it pregnant yeah when you're pregnant you're like oh God can't we just can't we nominate me next year when I'm not pregnant well that's it Jen I don't know what else you want from me that's it not one but two Michael Douglas episodes you are welcome everyone can't wait to talk to you all off camera next week bye bye let's talk off camera with Kelly Ripa is a production of Milojo productions from Milojo our team is Kelly Ripa Mark and Swelos Albert being Keeney Gentulate Seth Bronquist Ross Therian Devon Schneider Michael Halbrin Julia Dash and team radio Andy Lisa Mantoneo Michael White Shakira Perez