1196: Michael Brennan Breaks Through + Neil Goes to LIV Bedminster

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast. Solly here, got a fun crew tonight. DJ Pi reporting in from just, just outside Milwaukee. Hello, Deej. Hello, Solly. Good to be with you. What a fun day at golf, man. Excited to talk about it. Newsy week, too. We got a lot to talk about tonight. TC is here. Hello, TC. Hello, Solly. Jam-packed agenda. Women's Am was great all week. We got Neil popping in from his live experience. And then kind of a sick week at Wyndham. I enjoyed it. There's a lot to talk about tonight. As you mentioned, we're going to chat about Michael Brennan's breakthrough at Wyndham. We're going to put a close on the regular season on the PGA Tour. We got a new Fedora 5. I'm getting word. As you mentioned, Neil went to live Bedminster on Thursday. We had to record that section earlier because he was fighting a power issue on his vacation. That is an electric visit that'll come later. We had a ton of live news. This week that we're going to react to and more. And as mentioned, the U.S. Women's Amateur as well. Asterisk Tally, the bright star, wins the United States Women's Amateur at the honors course. We had Frankie Harris, he shot a 59 in the final round to win the Pinnacle Bank Championship on the Corn Fairy Tour. Joaquin Neiman wins live Bedminster. The Crushers got the team victory as well. Anna Ewing won the L.A.T. PIF London Championship. But the big one, Michael Brennan, your winner and win them, got it done gaming a full bag of Titleist equipment. A few quick notes here. 76% of the field this week trusted a Titleist golf ball, including Michael, who plays the Pro V1. It's got lower long game spin of the V. That fits his game best, and he loves the softer feel. That's exactly why I am in it as well. He was among 68 competitors this week playing a Titleist driver. He's got a GT3 model along with a new GTS prototype 3WD. And a GTS 3 7WD. Michael blends the T100 long irons with 620CB mid and short irons. He's got four Vokey wedges. He plays a 46F, a 50F, 54S, and a 60K Star. Finally, he gained over eight shots on the greens this week with his Scotty Cameron Go Low 6-Tor prototype putter, which has the rounded mid mallet profile that really suits his eye. Titleist.com to find a fitting near you. Shall we get right into it, guys? Do you guys want to take a look? Take your big victory lap here. You know, just go ahead and do your thing. You know, TC, I know you're frowning. Solly, you're down bad right now. First Foxy, you're just recovering from that. Literally, when we won today, I was like, fuck, another top young player just ruined for me by TC. Just absolutely ruins most golfers for me, and we have yet another one that's ruined for me. He was battling it down the stretch. He goes in that divot on 17. He had the left for a while. Kind of lost his speed on the greens. It was kind of electric to watch. And then, I mean, Hosler's fucking slow playing him all day. It was good stuff, man. This is, you know, if you don't know what we're referencing from the beginning, much like the Fedora 5, which we're going to hear from later, TC, our 10 best players without a major, that list is a forward-looking index as well. You know, we had Michael Brennan in that ceremonial 10 spot. I can't believe I have to put my name on this. And so we've just been right. The Brennanites have just been riding, waiting to be delivered again, like we were last year in Utah. And it was just, he got it done, man. He polished it off with a TC on the front nine, five birdies in a row. And he's just, he's just really fun to watch. He seems like a good guy off the golf course. Interesting switched on guy. And there's something just electric about his game, his look. He's got our guy, Ollie Brett, on the bag. It's just a fun combo. And it really. Made, I don't know, kind of made Wyndham shine in a way that it doesn't always from year to year. You know, I just had a, I had a really fun time watching it today. His parents seem like normal, delightful human beings. I think his mom's a rules official. How about, how about this? His dad, air traffic controller, his mom passed the rules, expert certification. Uh, my guy, Michael's he's a letterboxd guy. I was, I was going back and forth with, uh, with my guy, Paul from the PJ tour, who I usually talk about movies with. And I'm going to, I don't know if, you know, I don't want to air out Michael's, uh, letterboxd or some really good stuff, but there's some really concerning stuff. Two stars for there will be blood is like shocking, but then he was showing a lot of respect to little women, which Randy and I both like just so we can, we can take that offline. But, uh, yeah, interesting. And then his brother, I don't know if you guys caught his post around presser. His brother won a member guest today too. So, uh, Michael was saying, he's like now all four of us, me, my dad, my brother, and my mom have all. The member or the, uh, club championship, sorry, not member guest club championship, which is just good, just good stuff. So they, they seem like very interesting people and, uh, they're very interesting to watch play golf or at least Michael. I haven't really watched the rest of the family play. It's a proper win. Yeah. Like you can't really fade. Like it's a, it's a course that favors driving accuracy. You can't fake it out of the rough there. The greens were, there's enough short grass around them. They're really grainy. They're fast. Uh, your iron. Play has got to be on. It was, it was a true test of golf. I felt like, and you know, I know the scores are low. It's par 70 scores are low, but like you got to hit the shots. It's like, sorry. I know you were saying, Hey, I'd love to see a re you know, a restoration similar to Detroit. I don't know if you can do that. I did not say that you, that you, that I did not say that I watched a, there was a great restoration of a Donald Ross golf course last week. And you said window you, well, the one that brought this up, you were like, I think wind up could really use it. It was a great restoration dude. And I, I said, ah, man, I would love to see this, like that, that was a light bulb for me. Like I can't think of a golf course on the PCA tour that would be better off getting a restoration. No, you can't do the same exact restoration you did, uh, in Michigan as you do in South Carolina. But like the, it's still, it looks like a golf course, North Carolina, excuse me, North Carolina and raise up, uh, it, it is a golf course that has some great bones to it, but isn't really, I know it is not living up to its full and complete potential. And as on the news front, like if this becomes a, uh, as it sounds like Raymond James is going to be sponsoring, uh, this event going forward as a championship level event, I would like to see it get redone. Uh, I, I doubt that's, you know, unless it was already in the works, I don't think that's necessarily going to fit into a timeline, but, uh, I think it, because there's so much slope on the greens. There's so much going on with like, and they did the best job I think CBS has ever done on like the worm cam of, uh, Like the worm cam on the three foot. Scotty Shepard wins the Ray J. Was Ray J the one that was, that was dating Kim Kardashian? He's the one in the video. Dating is a, is a, is a churching it up a little bit. Allegedly. I heard he's the one in the video. What the fuck am I supposed to talk about three foot putts with grain after that? Oh, sorry. Anyway, there's so much. There's so much slope going on, strokes, gauge, something strokes, gauge could play in that category there as well, Jesus, you said, of course it does a favor leg. Oh, okay. Anyways, 30 second timeout. I don't know if it's going to, if it's going to, if it's going to be a big group here, the divas just put, just put up 12 straight points on us here. We got to, we got to, we got to pause TV timeout or something. Oh man, gotten like that in a while. Oh man. Oh, I'm hurting. Well, listen, Sully doesn't, doesn't hate Michael Brennan, I don't believe, but we had a fall, a lot of fun on slack, uh, pretending like you had a lot of fun on Slack. Yeah, yeah, me and DC have a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, me and DC have a lot of fun on Slack. Yeah, me and DC have a lot of fun on Slack. Yeah. Yeah. But today, is it like the. hovland matt wolf morikawa class it feels like it feels like they feel like guys with more similar you know ceiling more upside than than just like because i think a few years ago we had what tom kim and a few other guys but it didn't feel like it was more ceiling of guys since then i would not say they have more ceiling than the morikawa hovland group but most ceiling since since those guys it it's brendan's interesting because i don't know how to describe it because there's a way of describing him that does sound like a ball speed imposter that is like hey there's a million of you out on the corn fairy tour and there's a way of describing him that's like hey you are really really fast but also different uh in a way that like people talk about you just a little bit differently and are projecting you out a little bit differently and the rumblings have been out there about the talent and it is a short game and putting issue for the most part i mean he's an excellent excellent driver the ball extremely fast he was touching 190 ball speed uh today and he won on a golf course that doesn't really even favor distance that much and his iron play is is above average as well he's a good player he missed 12 greens all week uh and his seventh percentile short game was not tested very strongly that is kind of where the weakness has come in and why he was 105th in the fedex cup coming into this week and needed to win our top two i think to get into the playoffs and did it and has been on a furious furious run of golf and don't know all the details of like what he's been working on and what the struggles have have been like uh necessarily up to this but we got a little we've got a look at the last three weeks really at the actual talent level the sundays were bad the last couple of weeks and we might even be talking about him a little bit differently uh we're not for those bad sundays the last couple weeks i was gonna say he like it's it's kind of a like i know he won in utah but sticking his nose in it three weeks in a row like he at 3m he shot 74 in the final round to finish t24 uh 73 in the final round the rocket to finish t15 and and then shoots 64 today and it's like you got to learn how to win you gotta you gotta get uh you just gotta get it over the line and even i think even today we saw some of those gremlins coming out for sure um which made it like you like you said it just it makes you kind of attached to to a player right when it's you you see somebody who just looks invincible and birdies five holes in a row and just is throwing darts all of a sudden just snipe one off the tee and look shell shocked and kind of start speeding up their routine a little bit and it's just all that stuff uh just makes for a great a great watch but i feel like game wise it's this is it's kind of a diet version of this i mean cam young is cam young but it feels a little like cam young you know where it was the kind of above average ball striking kind of in the hunt a lot but needed to figure out that putter and i mean he's he's talked about working with a new coach and flipping things uh on that front over the last month or so and it seems like your path that he was second this week on the greens and you know it's just there's a lot of guys like this but like man when you you catch somebody who hits it that long hits it that straight and then starts making putts it's just that's it's going to be their week yeah yeah yeah it um i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know what to tough guy to project out right it's it's we saw this we've seen the last couple weeks yet again he was outside the top 100 coming into this week i don't uh don't the floor isn't necessarily very high i don't think uh on him but i think we can all everyone would agree the ceiling is and i will probably learn a lot more about him here in the next three weeks i think honestly um that said solly like i think you know since he started playing the pga tour late last year last fall he made four of four cuts in the fall last year he made 17 of 23 cuts this year and then had a dq in there at tory for the greens book thing but um i mean like that's pretty strong golf just from a consistency perspective made the cut at all four majors which is something to hang your hat on like i think there's some there's some signs there that we're looking at someone who uh kind of goes against some of the stereotypes that go along with a guy that just hits the ball really really far and uh well he's yeah i don't know he talked a lot about that too like you know he picked up ollie uh when was that that was earlier this spring i think that they they first got together but he's talked about a lot of game management stuff a lot of like man i was there was a lot of times earlier this year where i'd have back pins and i just wouldn't respect him and i'd fly him over i'd fly it over the green and make but like needless bogeys and just tightening up like little tiny stuff like figuring out his yeah his strategy and his game management stuff is where it's like man he's 24 and still kind of in his rolling first year on the pga tour and he's got two wins you know it's gonna that's the part he did so well today too it was like every time he was out of position like when he's in the divot on 17 that was such a good shot he just his approach shots were left in such good spots all day even if the t shots were not going well that's the advantage you get of being long off the t and when you are inaccurate it's wedge but executing the wedge shots lean in the right spots and having almost no stress on all the pars today was massive he had such a good like he flew it on one he flew the green on one or like you know it was a it was a pretty like he was coming out of the rough from the left side not a great angle and it it ran over the back and he played the nastiest little bump shot up on one and then got up and down and then you know just kind of eased into the round but i think it's like it's extra impressive as well because over the last two or three years like nobody has played their way into the playoffs at this event i think there's like two guys that have that have played i think chris kirk's like the only one that's that's come from outside the top 70 and played his way into the playoffs otherwise it's just been like very very the guys have come from outside the top 70 but not like win and get in like to come from way out that almost never happens into this one there's there's usually a little bit of churn on those final spots but like to come from way out and earn your spot in is extremely rare but there was a abnormal abnormal lack of of churn at the bottom this year only i think two guys moved in uh this week or was was brennan the only one i don't know uh exactly because coivin started the week at 70 yeah and stayed there at 70 and then which which is so sick by the way just i mean i know you guys went deep on him at the the 3m when he won but it's to come off of i think i saw the pj tour tweet something that he's the basically the first ever pj tour accelerated player to play a full season in college come on to the pj tour and make it in the playoffs all in the same year and it reminds me a little bit of i was working on a project and uh looking up some stuff about spieth we're not going to talk about spieth long i promise but just looking back at that 2013 uh season and when he because he wanted john deer it's very similar right like the events were only a couple weeks apart because he wanted that john deer having a a win made him eligible for that's what made him eligible for the playoffs that's what made him eligible for the president's cup that like getting through there made him like a natural pick for the president's cup then you know he gets into augusta because of the win he finishes runner up then he wins the next year it's just kind of this like very uh very cool tale off of the spieth kind of challenger-esque event win and the coivin stuff kind of feels like it's set up similarly i know we're going to get to president's cup talk uh later but uh it's i'm glad he has at least one hopefully three more weeks of pj tour golf uh ahead of him to watch sol you're not going to believe this but chris kirk's the only guy over the last two years to go from outside the top 70 to inside the top 70 at the windham yeah it's it's been quite it's it's been very boring the last couple years like zero churn at all at this event and and there should have been more this week like davis thompson had a he had an albatross and if he made any number of short putts from inside of eight feet he would have he would have gotten way inside the top 70 uh but he he kind of bottled it down the stretch the detective made a run he came up short you've got uh matt wallace almost hold it on the 72nd hole to get in after missing a pretty makeable birdie putt on the 71st hole he thought he had gotten in um you know ben james gave it a run andrew novak i still think we need to get him on the team but he's he's outside outside the top 70 outside move from 80th to 73rd but in but in theory in theory we need to have him on the team davis thompson uh first and approach and almost dead last in putting which is always a kind of the hogan-esque uh week for him what'd you guys think a hostler that's a loaded question tc that's that's doing us a little dirty i'll i'll i'll jump on the grenade i did not have a fun time watching bill hostler i have always i feel like i've always had a soft spot for him in my head i got to meet him i remember at the 2011 u.s open first major i ever covered he qualified when he was like a kid fun story you know got to talk to him and write a little thing about him and i've always kind of just thought that i liked watching him more than i did and yeah it's just it's slow it's a little it's very mopey it's just just kind of just no thanks seems like a lovely guy in person no offense to anybody but not not my bitching about not my he was like that's five lies in a row bad lies in the fairway He was giving his caddy all sorts of flack. Yeah, it just did not look fun. It was easy to root for Brennan in that pairing today. That's well said. Which I respected Trevor Immelman and the other guys in the broadcast. Except for Colt made an awful joke. He was like, we're going to have to turn 60 minutes into 45 minutes. I thought that was a good joke. I kind of liked that one. I thought that was good. But they were giving him some stick because they were warned pretty early on about their pace. The bad kind of slow, too. The one that's slower over the ball. And it's just like you can't cut away. You can't do anything in relation to that. But, yeah, that was easy, easy rooting interest. Yeah, that tells you how big of a fan I am. Despite knowing how much TC gloating we were going to get tonight, I was rooting for Brennan. That's big of you. Very big of me. How about Ben Jones? James having a 62 and a 61 on the on the card this week. I called him the the microwave man. Yeah, I think he has to be. I mean, I don't we've seen anybody just be more hot and cold and obviously very, very, very young. Still figuring it out. But certainly seems like the the upside, the downrange speed is there. If he gets it going, just seems like it tends to blow up on the launch pad every now and again. Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of. Feel for the game. And an 11 shot swings between. I think that's happened like three or four times already this year. It's crazy. Was where was that? Travelers or something? Not travelers. Where was it that he took the first round? It was Canada. Canada. Canada. Yeah. Yeah. Or he like took the first round lead. And then I don't know if he missed the cut or almost. No, it was round three Saturday. That's what it was. 79 or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's. He's got what T 15 at the Isco T four at Punta Cana and then now third at Wyndham. Really impressive stuff. I mean, he's made what he's made over a million dollars in eight starts. Yeah. This year. And yeah, he was, you know, all world. Like what? Four team first team or four time first team all America at at UVA. So, yeah, I just I don't like Sally. We were talking about earlier this week. I'm not deriving a lot of joy from watching him. It's just, I don't know, like, like, it just doesn't seem like there's there's a lot of game management going on or like, it's just like. Not much artistry and there's not much flair. I'm just going to hit it as close as I possibly can. And yeah, I don't know. And maybe that's the reason for the volatility, I think. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The future of this event a little bit. You kind of alluded to it with the championship track, I think, is super interesting. It's something I did not see coming. Yeah. I think Josh Carpenter reported it today, just right after the final putt drop that Raymond James is going to be picking up the sponsorship of this event. And we talked about last week how I forget the name of the actual government entity that is proposing $40 million to help support the event as well for the long term to make sure it gets into the upper track of the PGA Tour. Which, yeah, when we made our mock schedule several months ago, we were not considering that Wyndham. Would have the opportunity to move up into this track. But it creates an interesting, you know, part of the conversation I think we've had of like traditional PGA Tour events versus bigger markets and new events like what wins out there. And I think it is a splashy thing to come in and say, like, it jumps off the page of like, and it's been a conversation around professional PGA Tour golf for a long time. Why aren't you in a lot of these big cities? And the new brass comes in and says, yeah, we're going to go to all these big cities. And I think there might just be. And this is just me theorizing a little bit of realization. Realization of the asset value you have in the longstanding events at places that are familiar, places that fans recognize on television, that you if you listen to the build out pod we've got coming up this week that know how to set up the tournament and make your life easy as well. And you have financial support behind it. A smaller secondary market could be a good option. The money, the money's there for you. I don't know why the PGA Tour would swerve out of their way to knock. Go back to Greensboro. Yeah, I think I would even call this a tertiary market. It's small, you know, but it's small, but it's it's it's good. It is good. And I think it's, you know, I didn't know if they were really going to put their money where their mouth is, or I guess if other people are going to put their money where their money needs to be in order to keep some of these events around. But when they said, like, you know, there's a room for the Green Bay, you know, there's room for the Green Bay Packers, just like there's room for the whoever the Cowboys and yada, yada, yada. On the PGA Tour schedule, I didn't know that they would actually, I didn't know how seriously they were going to take that. And it's, it's interesting to see some of the reporting. It sounds like maybe the events move into spring to create kind of like a little bit of a Carolina's sort of swing, which feels like a very, like a pretty jam packed part of the schedule already. But I think it's awesome. And I think this event is one of those that, you know, it is one of the massive assets to the PGA Tour is like you said, this history and we've been going there for a while. And Ben Hogan won there and Sam Snead won there and Charlie Sifford, you know, broke the color barrier in the south there and like all of these different things. I just don't think this event has ever gotten that kind of shine, at least in my lifetime of watching the PGA Tour, you know, it's it's one of those you're like, oh, yeah, I know that's one of the oldest events, but like, it's never seemed all that good, you know, and I think it's kind of cool to almost they probably have a chance to almost like dust it off a little bit and and breathe some more life into it. I think it's one of those you're like, oh, yeah, I know that's one of the oldest events, but like, it's never seemed all that good, you know, and I think it's kind of cool to almost like dust it off a little bit and breathe some more life into it at a great like what can be a really good venue. So I think getting it almost feels like it's poised for like what's happened to travelers over the last seven years, 10 years, you know, where it's like that event always seemed it was good, but it seemed kind of meh and, you know, slow, steady progress and having the right players. So I think getting it almost feels like it's poised for like what's happened to travelers over the last seven years, 10 years, you know, slow, steady progress and having the right players. It's not just putting you. They got stack wedges for distance wedge practice as well. So if you're thinking of the stack as just speed training, a whole lot more going on there now. I will say I am, again, back on the program. It's a great feeling to show up at a golf course and feel like your body's ready to move. Like, again, it's not all about just like hitting as far as possible. It's like my body feels ready to move through the golf swing right now. And I haven't been playing that much. A 10% discount's already added if you do that. Or you can use code NOLAYINGUP at checkout at thestacksystem.com. But just go there, thestacksystem.com slash NLU. Check it out. You're going to love it. Great product. Three times a week. It's helped me get some strain in there as well. I freaking love the stack. It looked like Sasha won a club championship of his own or something. I saw on his Instagram. He was posting some hot. Yeah, he's playing some golf too. This is the season. Get hot. Quick down the board. TC, anything? you want to shout out there? Yeah. No, I think just from kind of who missed out. out on the top 70 keegan bradley somebody fourth he had some some comments he's still chalking it up to to rider cup hangover a year later he said you know got off the really bad start this year and then he was whinging a little bit about for for some reason it's the top 70 now instead of the top 100 or 125 that make it so i think we've been over that keegan do you it reminds me like some reds fans were trying to convince themselves they were in the playoff height the playoff race here it's like not everybody gets in the playoff the playoffs dude there's 70 guys in it i i was gonna do we don't have to do this but i was gonna say uh first of all fair and balanced here uh keegan has made the playoffs 15 years in a row that's sick that's very very cool very very impressive gotta shout that out get him on the team get him on the team i think 70 is plenty and if you want we could go through 71 through 200 and you guys tell me if you think the playoffs are broken stephen fisk bo hostler matt wallace keegan bradley we mentioned mac meisner andrew putnam davis thompson johnny keifer jackson suber smotherman hoagie it's just you go through it and you're like all very good players some of them are the cincinnati reds you know some of them are i could joke about some of them are the diamond but some of them are the royals some of them the diamond you know it's just on the subject of keegan quick question are the red are the red socks cheating potential i read we're gonna look at god there's i'm saving so much face from our our preseason draft the former brewers are turning up andrew monasterio's playing it's crazy what's going on uh speaking of guys who have made the playoffs a bunch of years in a row jason day finished 82nd he said he was he's his body's just not cooperating he's kind of lacks lacks some health lacks the most important ability right now brant snedeker playing he was playing really well i thought he was gonna maybe make a run for and make the team forget you know we're gonna look at god i'm saving so much face from our preseason draft playing captain um but he he did not um brooks he has won this year yeah brooks had some pretty jarring comments today just like how unacceptable his game's been which since coming back to the tour which again i'm here for that very here for it first of all great love like very kind of dark brooks is always like hearing that uh but yes some people need to not make the playoffs in order for the playoffs to be meaningful and for him to be like i'm not it's embarrassing that i'm not playing well enough to make the playoffs he's like okay maybe we're on to something all right maybe there is maybe there is a little and and hearing uh even brennan be like man i'm playing so good right now for me to have to just go sit on my couch would have been like really painful i was like oh that's like we're we're inching closer to yeah this competition consequence here yeah this is cool okay then even those guys like they get to go play the fall yeah after this too like the guys that missed the playoffs like the is brooks like ben i'd be curious i imagine he i think he will he'll probably play ben cole same thing like i would say successful season from him to finish 96th and you know make some big strides here novak i would say not a successful season from him he played in all the signature events and didn't make the playoffs like that's that to me is a failure uh big tone putting one-handed this week don't let him get a death it should be top 100 make it because if you let that guy get hot in the playoffs we've seen what happens in the playoffs we've seen what happens in the playoffs we've seen what happens at the northern trust mr october uh luke clanton 147 if fucking big tone would have gotten the playoffs putting one-handed i think that's where i'd be like yo what are we doing man nobody should be able to put one-handed and make the playoffs that would be ridiculous so yeah there's gotta be some downside nick dunlap 167th had a pretty sick scorecard this tc he had on his scorecard a six a five a four a three and a two it was it was unbelievable never seen anything like it yeah crazy that's real tough so what do you guys want the fedora five plus a few ray j god i'm pumped for the ray j next year uh yeah hit us with it tc all right august 9th we haven't done one since june 28th do you want to maybe for the uninitiated what is the fedora five fedora five is is a forward-looking index looking ahead at who's gonna play well both this is worldwide too this isn't just pga tour uh you know june 28th we had eugenio chikara dub the fitzpatrick brothers little baby colin and blocky we'll get to blocking a bit uh eugenio chikara retains his top spot wow okay okay he's hot did he was hot did he play what is what is he has he played i don't think he's played but he might be like uh i'm not gonna penalize him for that he might be like uh those women who who had the was it the aeon uh the risk reward challenge are they just skipping events so that they didn't lose the billion bucks exactly he has not played since he opened tc so that's that he's going up on sneaking up on a month yeah he's got to get ready for the you know the the back nine yeah i think they're going to great northern this week in denmark gosh uh which would be that'll be great viewing uh second a new entry big tommy morrison oh hell wow love this one absolutely in awe at the size of this lad he's been like i mean dj we've been talking about it there's there's a there's a cabal of dudes yeah uh that have bad intentions coming coming up from the corn fair american dudes it's just it's just brobred american dudes kind of beating up the corn fairy tour right now it's it's watch this space there could be some some heavy hitters coming in that graduating class just breaking across the wire uh allison docherty birdied those last four holes to get into a playoff with frankie harris frankie harris did prevail after shooting 59 to win the event but uh i prematurely gave it to him how about the playoff last week it was it was going five for finishing up as we were um yeah and like there was four guys within 12 feet for me to win the event birdie putts and only one guy made it it's crazy last week third ludwig again this is a forward looking index i think ludwig is going to win the fedex cup okay fifth we all sorry we all see it that was mike brennan i feel like i'm uh you said something i'm like looking for my papers for my like model to the ludwig thing i'm like don't we have some charts or something to show that's silly isn't it can we get some some info over here uh they just uh brennan is fourth and then we've got a log jam at five big tie the fitzpatrick brothers jackson coivin p sam burns oliver lindell shot uh 59 this week i think playing a recreational round and uh and ross steelman oh my guy i love seeing love seeing ross out there and then we just missing the cut we've got goddard up and and dr redmond i think that this might be the most sensible one yet and you know doc redmond he was leading today at one point it would have been kind of a pseudo battlefield promotion yeah i don't think like a wiki upgrade like a wiki battlefield promotion exactly he wouldn't have been upgraded into the playoffs but um but yeah there you have it guys fedora five would you've just been upgraded into the fall series like you would have got to play i assume so yeah yeah yeah any other windham notes you want to you want to hit on the way out tc the speed tracker was pretty despondent trackers there's a lot of them speed what did go ob with his opening shot with an iron uh this week but but can report and what happened he did finish t19 so absolutely taste it haters uh he had he had oh did you see his 36th hole so make the cut on the number so good just guess what guys on friday and he drove it like it was either so far right or so far left i can't remember but just a mile had to punch back get some like crazy up and down made like a 30 footer to make the cut on the number then yeah top 20. guess what we get to do this week guys he's 54th heading into this week he's going to be on bubble watch from the jump uh he'll probably get a sponsor's exception to bmw if he doesn't get it that's unfair that's what he called for he was injured peter malnati's putt putt on friday that was good that was his putter up and he was pretty despondent and then he kind of turned away and it had gone in in the meantime that was to make the cut yeah yeah uh i think i just wanted to get your thoughts on trenching it seems to be picking up steam in in the wider landscape i saw sorry guy kiz was talking about it on the foreplay pod a couple weeks ago jt slid into the comments and said he stands with kids on this one everybody thought i was crazy a couple years ago when i was talking about zander doing this a lot windham's you know notorious for it where do you guys fall out on trenching i of course i'm not going to say i'm not going to say i'm not going to know what this is tc but uh maybe for the listenership you could explain uh what trenching is it's basically when guy like you see these guys just pounding on their line all the way like pounding the grass down every spike mark every blade of grass all the way to their ball to the point where i think some of these guys like windham's putter weighs 12 pounds i think that that he is is essentially building a trench a trough all the way from his ball through the hole, it's like a half pipe, almost. And think it's a problem yeah some some world war one stuff going on the dough boys are out there uh yeah i'm out on it dc i hate it i hate it good it's not good uh i don't know what you do about it prove some people in the act i'd love to see some footage you know i i feel like i'm i'm just kind of hearing about this second hand but i need to see some i need to start paying closer attention when i was tweeting about it somebody somebody sent a a clip of solly abandoned dunes trenching i'm gonna find this i don't want to hate that let's see the problem is it's it's within the rules the spirit of the rules so this is where neil gets himself in trouble here and does this intent thing that doesn't isn't really actually a part of the rules as well but like you're allowed to repair anything in your line and i don't i don't know how you police that to say like you can't what's what's making too much of an impression on it the ground like it's not that different than the bryson thing at the open is it just take some some rules officials to say no that's you're not you're not doing that that's not what we're doing you are improving your lie just gonna have to you know employ some some eye test exactly and you know i like i applaud the rules officials we've got the the pace of play metrics that are being published on the corn fairy tour now we could take this a step farther so i agree um yeah dj applaud your stand solly i'd like to see a little bit more backbone i i would like to if you're going to throw an accusation at me here i need some you need to i didn't throw the accusation i know you mentioned it in front of hundreds of thousands of people here i would like to have a little bit of evidence it was on the par three i remember it clear as day somebody somebody sent the video into you and in on a tweet i'm looking for it here do you have that you want to share any of that evidence here yeah let's probably get shadow banned it's and also tc if you remember it should you have called it in the moment because now art is there blood on your hand i'm told i'm told it's it's not you know it's not against the rules so um we'll see and you also told neil it was against the rules for him to double hit it so i don't know if i thought it was that's just it so anyway more on this story as it develops stay tuned uh solid memphis they're they're not going to be a championship series event moving forward that is correct um so we'll see what happens there well an interesting one that has a implications we haven't really started talking that much about yet i feel like which is the the fedex deal ending after the 27 season so right as we're kind of kind of blow up the system and and reconfigure it i mean the fedex the fedex cup deal is a massive massive massive i don't know i don't have the numbers in front of me but i would have to say the by far the bulk of the sponsorship dollars uh for the pga tour and so not only is the you know the august swamp fest uh event going away but it sounds like uh not even like a championship series event elsewhere in the schedule so i don't know this is another one of those i i would reiterate almost everything i said about greensboro in that memphis is a very old event i think tpc southwind is a good golf course for the pga tour seems like it could be kind of one of those premier challenger type events i i would like to watch watch dudes play it still uh but no idea how the sponsorship element of things work but i i was doing some reading and i i like the i forget if this was josh carpenter or bob herrig or some combination of both so apologies but it seems like the tour is going to be much more open to maybe having like group sponsorships of some of those challenger events which i think ends up making a ton of sense for some of those that are smaller like media properties to almost bring like three kind of proud partner like they do at the tour championship or the players or whatever and almost have kind of three small sponsors rather than just like one traditional title sponsor i thought that was an interesting uh interesting development as long as we don't get those names like the the yeah 15 word name i'm sure that we will yeah well then we short them to the ray j or we sure we don't have to worry about that we're not contractually obligated to call them that that's okay that's their problem do you want to talk block etc yeah i mean i think we have to right it's the it's just that's the i feel like this is just developing responsible thing we have to do yeah i feel like this is still just moving so quick right now god my camera is just this is the fight of your life tonight on the fritz you uh speaking of on the fritz guys block he had a big week uh he was over at the some senior is it this european tour event senior senior scottish or something yeah it was it it said trump aberdeen at the new course pga senior yeah he uh he first of all he made an ace earlier in the week as he as he does it flew it flew directly into the cup which is is very very like him uh and then today varying reports blocky has refuted it to in a text to evan priest he said that he showed up a little bit late to the t because he was uh signing autographs and taking pictures for people not for people for volunteers uh and he also took complete ownership he said first time in my career completely my fault so he's not passing the buck to the volunteers uh he got d so he didn't withdraw he got dq'd i guess today he didn't follow the proper protocol to withdraw and to notify an official for an injury and things like that it sounded like the weather was pretty bleak over there uh it sounded like he didn't want to be out there from what i've heard and conditioning was tough maybe he was trying to get he was trying to miss his tea time this morning was the report from monday q and phone for brian today and then blocked him off and he was like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry he was a sponsor exemption and there was rumors that he was complaining about the agronomy like the condition of the golf course which uh again i would i would hate for dt to you know hear about that and possibly put put blocky on blast for sure this week as well yeah uh we will we will monitor this yeah blocky uh took to social media uh said yes i was a couple of seconds late to my tea time today got caught up taking pictures for volunteers first time in my career completely my fault to yes i did tell my playing partners that i was withdrawing there was a report that he just walked off without telling anybody he refused that i strongly recommend certain social media accounts from reporting false information uh i think you get the spirit of what he's this is spirit of the rules situation you know what he's you know he's trying to say he's trying to say fuck that guy is what he's trying to say uh but you know it's a little a little calmer to hate cena from blocky uh i think he's i think he's getting a sponsor exemption next week as well i'm gonna say like i think i'm i think i'm good i think we're we're we're there's so many ready to move on i think this like act four whatever it's about to be is about to get really sad there's so many really sad so many things that randy's randy's unpopular at the moment and you let it you let that boat sail for a couple years and everybody comes back around like man randy really randy nailed that one right for the jump he he got that one right away this would be the latest example we need to figure out what randy thinks about trenching for sure you know he's gonna be out i could probably pretty easily predict that one it's not it's not good tc uh should we get to our guy neil are we ready for we have an electric appearance from our guy neil it's gonna it's gonna you could tell he was he his heart rate was up it's gonna get your heart 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it straight up told me that i'm old and it kicked my ass into gear it changed my diet my workout schedule my sleep schedule literally everything we're approaching benjamin button territory i'm reverse aging now i'm i'm going negative i know cody's going negative now as well my resting heart rate's down my hrv is up i'm going to bed at night i'm going to bed at night it's been a awesome awesome development so head to join.whoop.com slash nlu to get started with whoop on a free one month trial that includes the hardware and a completely unlocked app experience if you don't love it send it right back no questions asked and if you already have a whoop join our whoop group with code comm-nlu nlu again join.whoop.com slash nlu to get started with whoop here is our little chat with icarito neil hello butting up a few against a few challenges tonight huh yeah guys it was a long day i'm going to bed i'm going to bed i'm going to bed i'm going to bed - I had a long week last week. I was, I recorded like nine hours of podcasts. I've been looking forward to this vacation and on the way out the door Thursday, I was like, you know what? I'm going to go to live. I'm going to go to Trump Bedminster. It's 24 minutes from my where I live in New Jersey. And I bought two tickets. They were twenty eight dollars a piece. My father and I was going to come with me. He had then he bailed on me. Couldn't go get a work thing. So I rolled solo down south. You know, you kind of take those backcountry roads, take me home to the place that I belong. And I went with an open mind. OK, I wanted I could almost feel the regret of six months from now. I was like, oh, this thing is no longer. And I I never I never went to one. So this is the first time I've been on site to a live event. No traffic, literally almost no cars drove into the general parking lot. And I counted I was in the back row. There were about five hundred and forty cars would be my pretty solid estimate. I was like. All right, cool. I got there at one thirty. I think like one thirty one thirty five shotgun start was at one oh five. So I was like, all right, I'm kind of in the you know, it's not like it's all day like a normal golf tournament. It's you know, you got to hit that shotgun, baby. It was like a 20 minute walk. We went through the metal detectors. Everyone's like, well, welcome to the party. Some guy was like, oh, are you here alone? Like he was. I was like, yeah, man. It was like driving a courtesy cart and he was going to give me a ride. And I was like, no, I got to use the bathroom to come back out. This guy's here alone. Look, look, no, no, no car to be found here. Yeah. So I'm walking and it's a long ass walk. It's hot and humid. And I just want to say, first off, golf, but louder. This place was wired. Sonos, baby. It wasn't Sonos, but it's just like the speakers. They have not had the build out. Seems like it's dropped way, way down, like dramatically less build out speech properties. Why are you hooked up to these? Like. I mean, I'm not a fan of the sound of the speakers. I'm not a fan of the sound of the speakers. There was probably a big ass speaker every 30 yards. And they're bumping some ambient club jams. They'll mix in a top 40 jam every now and then. But like songs I never heard and songs that I was kind of vibing. But I'm kind of feel like I'm out on the Serengeti like there's nobody else there. So it kind of cuts both ways. Like I'm grooving a little bit. But then you're like, I'm at a party and nobody's here. So it kind of, you know, it's kind of depressing. So anyway, I get in like the main area. They got Club 54 right behind the 18th green. I was starving. So I went and bought a what they called a jumbo dog for $11. It was like a miniature Thumans or Nathan's hot dog. And then I got a water that was five bucks. So I'm up to, you know, 16 bucks right there. Then they're asking me for a 20% tip auto default 20% tip. Guys, we talked about this on the trap draw. We don't like that. No cash accepted either. No cash. But Neil, those vendors might not be getting paid dog. I know. So, but I paid, I paid, uh, I dropped it to 10%. I did tip them, but they didn't, I mean, they just grabbed the dog off the hot plate. You know, anyway, I'm talking to these other, these, there were three frat bros at the concession stand with me and they're complaining. Cause one of them asked for a double Tito's and they charged them double. And he's like, you know, these drinks are 25 bucks, man. This is bullshit, you know? So not helping the party vibes. That's my point. So TC, first thing I get in there, who's teeing off on 10, Matt leash and Maddie. And they're playing with, uh, Sebastian Munoz and a guy. He was like a live free agent. I think he might be like the high flyers replacement Asian guide. And I can't, I don't actually don't know who it was. So they're all the, the, the, all the caddies and the players throughout the day, they're all drinking out of those aluminum, like a country club cups, you know, like Trump Bedminster and they got straws in them. And they're all like cheers. And I think there's like a Trump, Bedminster slushy because they're all like the T and then there's team guys all wearing the same uniform. And they're like giving them the, um, the ripper guy came up behind 16 and gave Maddie a couple new ones. And leash was like, Oh, thank you, man. And they're like cheers in the slushies. So they're in shorts, they're all wearing socks and it's like matching, you know, like team unis. It just feels like a member guest. It's crazy. They're like hitting range finders, you know? And then like, nobody's like, so it was three. Yeah. Like, like, like, but now, now you're out like I'm on 10 green and 11 and the there's like one or two speakers a hole now. And so it gets a little bit like, I don't know. You can hear the club jams off in the distance, but now you can also hear the wind. And so you're like the only guy out there. There were three players in the group, three caddies at six there. And I counted five volunteers. So I'd say 11, let's call it 12 and there was a walking score. So let's say 12, 13 people. There were two other humans. It was me and three others. There was me, a dad and his son. And then these guys are signing autographs in between holes, which I thought was sick. I was like, you know, I mean, and I mean, they're going from 10 to 11 TC. I'm mad. He was like, Neil, what's up? I'm like, Maddie, what's up, man? Like it was like, it was sick. So that was fun. I saw a ton of golf who comes through next Peter Uline, big home. He's got a towel on his shoulder. The only time he took it off was to hit like driver. He was chipping with a towel on his shoulder mustache. He was putting with a towel on his shoulder. He's got this huge must. I mean, he's a, he's a vibe. And I'm like, I'm like, man, I haven't thought about Peter Uline in like three years. Like, Whoa. And so I hate to say this. Cause it's going to sound mean, but I'm going to send it. It felt like being at the zoo. I was like, holy shit, check it out. But like, you know when you go to the zoo and there's a lot of people there, it's really fun. You know, when you go to a zoo and there's not a lot of people there, it's kind of depressing. Like, Oh man, there's Paul Casey. Like, man, I hope that like, he's getting fed, you know, like it's hot out here. And like, are they taking care of these guys? You know, like in, I see Bubba, I see Bubba, he's wearing pants. And he, he dumps one on 18, like from 80 yards, just spins it back in the water. Didn't even react. And I'm like, man, that kind of sucks. Like there's just, you just, this feeling of like, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Like he just like gave his wedge to the cat. He walked up like no big deal. So not a lot of juice. And then the announcer, then there's like a MC on 18. Cause I, this is after I, I, I saw you line and I went back over to 18 club 54, you know, there's like the, the, the premium hospitality is like one big hospitality area. Go back over and there's an MC is like, welcome to the 18th green, you know, Bubba Watts, the rain goes to, you know? Yeah. And he's just like, Mike Sposa, you know, it's just like, what day were you there? I was there Thursday. So like, I was Bubba's best, best round of the week. She had 69, 77, 78, 74 and his range goats. All I can comment on is I, I just, the general energy is like, ah, you know, man, I like, it just was like from 80. I was like, damn, from 80 yards. Like what the, what the hell was that? So anyway, what, I will say this. I went over to, I wandered over to nine and there were finally, I'm like, okay, here's some, here's a crowd probably. And I counted, it was just under a hundred people around nine green. It was Neiman, Bryson and Lucas Herbert. And that was the biggest, biggest crowd I saw Bryson's I think four over through eight holes. And no, the shotgun sucks guys. I, you don't know where anybody is. There's only one scoreboard it's on 18. So like that, you could leave the music. I'm cool with the music. Take the, take the shotgun, start away. I'm I'm so out on that. And I found that very frustrating. I didn't know where anybody was and there's no, there's just no way to track anything. And so Bryson comes through and he's all, he's all pissy candidly. Like he's just not happy. Herbert hits, hits one, basically into the patio. They're trying to give him TIO. He refuses to take it. It's a filthy flop shot from like the, uh, the, the lawn next to the patio. And I got this picture of his caddy that looks like David Letterman with the, the slushy in one hand and the range finder in the other in shorts and high socks. I'm like, this is it, man. Like I'll, I'll send it to you guys. It is an epic, epic picture. And I was like, if I had to sum up, if someone was like, yo, what's live golf all about it. Like, here's the picture, check this shit out. So, and then Neiman, and I will give, uh, team Torque credit. They've got, they look like an F one team, a lot of support staff in the crowd and they're all wearing the like, uh, turquoise gear with like the T is like, you know, it looks like it's going real fast. And then the wags were all wearing matching, uh, pink, like skin tight, uh, sports dresses. And so it was like, that's team Torque. I saw 'em, you know, I was like, oh, there they are. Uh, I think Neiman's golf club, Neal. All right. Torque golf club, Neiman's girlfriend. My wife, she had two French bulldogs in like one of those beach carts and she's pushing 'em and she's working. Like she's sweating. She's got these two dogs out there with her and, uh, they're going and getting slushies for Neiman. You know, they're cheers in, in, in the crowd. I'm dead serious. It's like, he's like out in the crowd among the people. It was sick. Um, so another, uh, let, let me just get through this another couple things before my lights go out. Uh, you can see I'm struggling with, with power at the beach here. Um, I will give 'em credit. The, the team vessel bags, they're running circles around the OEMs on the PGA tour, the, the, the cliques golf bag, all of 'em, all of 'em were sick, you know? And then, and then, you know, I'm a weirdo. I'm out there alone. Tom, uh, Thomas D tree's got a Celsius sponsorship. And I'm like, how do you get that? It's just, just Celsius to, you know, the caffeine drink that makes you feel like you're gonna make TC freak out. I'm like, man, I guess, uh, I guess. Celsius is getting hyped, but like Celsius, isn't like a live sponsor. So that was interesting to me. Uh, but I think if I had to paint you a picture of like, sum it all up i wander over to 16 i'm kind of as i'm i'm leaving and blandy's teeing off tc and he's got pants on he's he looks old and the dj had switched it up to more you know to be fair he is old so dj had flipped on uh morgan wall and you know you know when you're when you're thinking about me and i think the line is uh as he's pulling back pulling the trigger on a three iron it's uh are you tasting what he's drinking when you're thinking about me and i just i don't there's something there i wrote it down i was like i don't know man it just felt like such a juxtaposition of like i'm like richard bland morgan wallen nobody's watching and then i'm thinking like what if richard bland was doing one of those walkouts with him you know when he's like walking into like you know neiman's stadium in tennessee and like peyton manning's walking about like what if richard bland was doing that you know when he's like walking into like you know neiman's stadium in tennessee and like peyton you know and i was like god that would make tc so happy but just like the music with like some deeply uncool people like it works when like anthony kim comes through i watched him come through and it's like oh man yeah like he's got swag but then it's like well then you know sebastian muñoz and flandy i'm like i just this isn't really working for me and i guys again i'm being generous here and you know the trolls like oh you your pictures are are you taking pictures of the edge of the problem there were no pictures of the edge of the problem there were no more than 2 000 people there no more i mean there were more that was the most attended men's golf tournament it was it's crazy and and and so you know maybe a little plug for our tuesday episode we're coming out with a episode about a tournament build out like the bmw championship and all that goes into building a pga tour event and what i found interesting is like in doing that project on the pga tour the stakes are getting ramped up every year i think they've figured out that like going to a golf tournament in the middle of summer and most markets sucks it's hot it's sweaty you worn out like you almost like want to pass out sometimes especially because like it's it costs a lot to buy food or whatever so they're building out these massive hospitality cities and lives go in the opposite direction there's one build out and it's just there's not like my takeaway was there's just not a lot of momentum not my light just went out so that's tough but um you look great and so i'm glad that i i saw it in person and i you know you'll say like oh you're you know you're biased or whatever i'm just like no what i saw was like i saw a lot of golf which is the positive i saw the players having a pretty good time as they should but i'm like man we put six billion dollars into this thing like this is tough man you know and like i don't know i did but i will say this i bought uh some crushers stickers i bought a live golf sticker and i bought a t-shirt because i like the montage design on the back and i was hoping we could do something with our roost logos that's similar tc um so i'm gonna i'm gonna showcase you that but uh and the merch tent was interesting like all the different there's some maybe something there on like team golf and the gear but out on the course like other than the support staff the only logo i saw was crushers gear and like i think that logo is duke like tremendously lame so that's just my clip art so that's that's my on the ground feedback did you go to the cliques garden party i didn't go to petting zoo no i didn't maybe when i saw bubba dumping in the water yeah in a sense he did in a sense i did but i heard like over the like you know you could hear the 18th hole mc being like here comes you know paul casey and i'm like oh my god i haven't thought about paul casey in so long like the original chap like i wonder what he's up to you know he was like three over just not playing great um that's all it really yeah neil paul neil paul casey made 608 000 this week and credit to him man like he's you know what a what a swan song for that guy but like you know i just i i'm just not getting a lot from it and it's again if it was if it was exhibition golf to see these names that former top 10 players in the world former major winners like that's great like you know that's a like uh you know we're barnstorming the country or the world like i understand that it's just like but the amount of dollars into this thing for that product on the way out is just like yeah it was bleak man it was just it kind of i was my my like eggs were scrambled on the drive home i'm like damn and i and i want to say this when i left the parking lot i counted i think maybe there were like 560 cars there you know because i left a little early and i i'm but my car was still in the last row you know what i mean so it's like okay i don't think any more people came you know what i mean like i don't i don't know i had it on you didn't miss there was no influx of people that came late it was and it's and it's bullshit that your father-in-law bailed as well he had no i gave him a late note when he talked about it like last sunday and then i didn't really like confirm with him until more i had we had a long week so he was like i have i had a couple meetings got scheduled so he ended up getting in the field so he was playing it's the wild card i flyers i mean it's just it was it was i'm glad i went i'm really glad i went and uh you know again like did you get it there's no harm it's like i saw some golf like if you had kids crime it is it's like if you have kids and you want to go like if you have kids and you want to go like if you like see bryson up close a great opportunity like like if you want to go but it's thing is it's really hot not a lot of shade it's not like going to a golf tournament like we've laughed about this forever it's not like super fun when you can't like stand under some shade you know it's like it's the course i don't know it was it was interesting did you buy the course was immaculate did you buy any live korea stuff that was that was on sale look like they were trying to offload a they didn't sell like uh like live korea ball markers and things like that uh in one of the merchandise pictures i saw i i didn't see that they had one live new york like custom t it was like 50 bucks i'm like yeah i don't think i need that um but then each each team has like its own little capsule and the tc credit to the cliques i mean their shit's tight yeah uh and then the aces and the high flyer stuff is awful and so is the oklahoma golf oh club i mean it's just awful looking man truly horrendous stuff and the rippers they don't have much swag either no offense to leash and um and and camp but that's that stuff's a little little budget too but they're like just ripper no ass it's cleaner ripper yeah uh you know and i i think the honestly the the my time in the merch tent was was interesting you know like even though i was in the merch tent i was in the merch team as well in pictures where they're all like you know and phil's still on the high flyers one he's like you know he's got his eyes like short yeah lasasso's back there it's just a lot i didn't i didn't see rom i didn't see lasasso like again the shotgun start i can't find anybody but i feel like i i was there for three hours i feel like i accomplished what i wanted to and i left before i like passed out because i wasn't gonna buy another jumbo dog for 12 bucks or 11 bucks like f that's your card your card of the company card to buy the jumbo i expensed this whole thing yeah so randy's gonna see that come through uh but we did we yeah so we we put some money in the till and yeah i just i don't know i know you guys are gonna go through it and i don't have to get involved but i yeah i i hear about this you know some a road like investors i'm just like what what are we what are we investing in man i don't know i don't know was there today on sunday and if you see that in person i just don't know the you know the the you know like the one in australia like yo i get there are people there like so i'm just i am all i'm commenting on is what i saw on thursday and i know like windham you look at the team you're watching on golf channel like not like there's a ton of people in the stands at the windham championship on thursday either but i think it's more than you know 1500 people honestly like that now i've never seen anything like this were there was there a concert anywhere on this one because like that's like my my theory they had a shirt they had a shirt there's like the the reason they get people to these events is there's a concert held after the golf like that's that's a part of the reason why people are at these tournaments and didn't hear anything about a concert this week which could help contribute a lot to there not being anybody out there they had a shirt in the maybe that was one of the korean ones but there was like a it looked like a maybe a korean woman dj and they had like a graphic tee of her in the in the merch tent and i was like huh i wonder if she's playing uh but maybe that was in korea i don't know sally uh but i didn't i didn't see any signs for a concert of any kind yeah so anyway i'm i'm uh it's it's pitch black out here i got no power at the beach neil neil neil real quick four guys made a million bucks plus at least a million bucks this week on live can you name obviously one but the other yeah uh well i did i see was it a i thought rom won the individual oh okay oh so he was already so far ahead that he won the ind okay um let me think uh who's playing well uh polter i would guess polter is one of those guys no polter faded fellow majestics though god majestics zero swag in the merch tent to zero swag man i don't even saw the majestics man who who was it you used to be number one player in the world uh shit uh oh lee westwood lee westwood finished okay wow he was scott vincent and then harold varner the third really 2.25 million dollars this week for okc golf club god oh i saw gooch yeah that was like again the zoo analogy was like oh shit there's taylor gooch like haven't thought about him in a couple years like gooch is out after gooch is here yeah uh i mean you're real up close with these guys like you know and and the uh you guys are like this the uh the raw base from the build from the the build out pod all the steaks were different colors they had red steaks and blue steaks nobody had a paint glove dude no one's painting them hunter green no details man you know you know i hated that your name on that project that's your name on that shit and it's different colored steaks out there well bottom line it for us neil before you got on the way did we grow the game or not uh i mean tc's that are like victimless climb but then you're like man that's just a lot of like six billions a lot of money even let's be generous let's say it's three billion that's still a lot of money like i just think that could be used better i really i i sincerely believe that and i'm sorry if that offends anyone but it just doesn't seem like it works like it's not a good it's not a good business and i i i just can't get behind that and i will i will i will not be investing so i was out there seeing you know saying they're looking for investors i'm just i'm bottom line dj is i will not be i will not be writing that check for the future or loading them anybody no i won't be doing either of those things all right we're gonna let you go uh all right we're gonna let you go we're gonna let you go that's true get your power situation we're gonna let you go we're gonna let you go get your power situation figured out thank you for calling in this was uh a pleasant surprise didn't think we were going to make this work with your power situation but thank you for your on the ground reporting greatly appreciated of course have a great show guys thanks for having me on your program all right that's the nuts and bolts uh mostly nuts i would say a lot of nuts in this episode there was some news from the live golf tour this past week uh there was a statement from live on wednesday says live golf has an agreement in place with a lead investor signed by the investor and approved by the board to anchor the transaction and play a key role in supporting the path forward for the league's next era driven by and for the players we're also seeing strong interest from more than a dozen additional parties to potentially serve as minority investors creating a multi-partner model built for long-term stability and growth notably our next chapter will make our players the majority equity holders in live golf a first for a major global sports league and gives the league the foundation to keep growing the game worldwide we anticipate finalizing terms in the coming weeks with the goal of entering a transaction in september in the meantime our focus is on delivering a great week for fans and players at bedminster and finishing the 2026 season strong haters can taste it man just taste it so we're so that's it we we absolutely licked it um the 2020 was stunting all over you all week that's right we'll get there if you want uh 2026 season's gonna finish really strong apparently according to scott o'neill uh the the team event is no longer listed on the fox sports broadcast schedule anyways scott in his in his uh media visit said pivoting to what i'm talking about here it's very good news we're very fortunate that a lead investor has signed a term sheet approved by our board which will carry and fund live going forward it's very good news for us uh he was asking you say more about this investor any background on who it is what it is how much money they've committed what i could he said what i can tell you is what i told you at this point we are keeping the details of the deal the investor and much of what you might want to know in the second phase out of the media didn't give a timeline didn't give any details at all on the terms wouldn't say if it was a loan if it was an investment didn't give any indication on players that were uh would be potentially staying or an update on the team championship uh in this visit seems like a done deal most certainly is not the financial times as i believe is sujeet end up uh reported that live golf had enlisted private capital group bc partners as it seeks a quote grand bargain between new investors saudi arabia's sovereign wealth fund and its top players to keep the loss making tour alive after the kingdom ends its funding the investor is the credit division of bc partners the london-based private equity company according to people with familiar with the matter bloomberg news first reported that bc partners was the lead investor they also continued on to say yet the path to a negotiation according to the people involved with bc partners and other possible investors seeking assurances that live star players will stay with the league several leading players including john romer owed guaranteed payments worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars under contracts that extend beyond this month when the pif has said it will end and cease funding for the league the pif is considering paying off these contracts at a discount to settle any potential liability as well to avoid bad publicity leaving the players position to sign fresh deals with the bc partners backed circuit that would include cash as well as equity in the new league according to those close to the negotiations should i pause at any point here do you guys want to get in here should i keep going get all the way through this i thought uh just speaking of bc partners i thought it was interesting that they're i don't know if they're a majority investor or just an investor in gse which is the agency that represents bryson among a host of other live players so the potential investor uh slash in in some ways i hesitate to even call it an investor it could just be a distressed debt kind of deal uh is also has an interest in the representation of the players like it just seems like there's so many different hands and all of this and i i guarantee you like it's every spidey sense of my body is going off that the kush is going off randy's guy the kush is going to is going to waltz in with with his affinity partners his family family fund and be a part of of this this uh you know fundraise it yeah i'll finish out the rest of this report here um it said o'neill and his public remarks confirmed that equity stakes would be a key selling point to players to convince them to stick with live with the golfers envisioned as collectively owning a majority of the tour i love man it's a good time to get in here i said a settlement may come in the form of a pre-packaged bankruptcy where a court process could quickly cleanse legacy liabilities and allow new investment to come in free of any entanglements from the previous era and also the quote the new investors will need assurances that those players are not going to pursue any money from the piff and say we got stiffed that is from a quote uh from a person uh said uh of the discussion that's in the report also of note the piff has dispersed uh the money it has committed to 2026 and shortfalls in staging the tournaments rest with live uh said a person familiar with the saudi funds thinking so basically live has live has sent or piff has sent their money over and whatever the live is unable to execute it's because they're spending money in a lot of other ways or budgeting uh budgeting properly or a lot of things you might suspect so what does this all mean a lot of humba jumbo what does it all mean arla white came on the air uh and said that scott o'neill had announced that live had secured investment for a 2027 season and beyond uh that is if you read it closely that is not uh what scott o'neill said i did ask arlo directly tc if he would like to clarify uh what he meant there he i did not receive a reply um so i i don't know if he just hadn't gotten to it yet he's been back on twitter and replied to a lot of other people but just i'd ask him directly you know did you want to clarify uh what you meant there and didn't get a reply here but basically the the financial times article was the eye-opening part of what we long suspected with uh in relation to this of you it's going to depend on what players stay like it sounds like the funding and the loan or whatever it is bc partners is extending live golf is contingent on keeping the star players around which makes it a easy ish quote investment uh you know quotation marks around that word for them of it's low risk they're not going to be stuck paying the lucas herbert's a ton of money uh they're concerned the only hope with live golf is to retain some of these top players convincing that there is equity value in the league and funded in the short term uh it will get more complicated than that but it doesn't sound like live has any funding uh without the assurances that the star players are returning so yeah there's all sorts of uh back and forth as to whether michigan is happening and if they've like there's been no build out at michigan and yeah like it's on the fox sports website it's no it's no longer listed uh as an event on on fox sports it's still as of today listed on the live golf website i believe but um yeah that certainly does not seem like it's it's headed towards uh towards happening listen there's many things uh in this world i don't understand it's very possible that this will end up being one of them uh i don't understand this and i've read it 13 times i've listened to everything i've watched everything i've read all the all the reaction i'm just like i feel like i'm just kind of taking crazy pills i'm like i don't know what i don't even know what we're what we're talking about here what like what players are staying like Bryson and then Bryson kind of talks to the New York Post and he's a I'm a hundred percent sure about lives future like we're good and I'm just like I amen had a great thing on Golf Channel this week and it was just like Like ROMS kind of the only thing that seems like he matters You know the the only thing that seems like it matters is kind of what ROM decides to do I would think cuz outside of it's like maybe Bryson wants to turn this into some sort of eight person Harlem Globetrotters tour like maybe and maybe that's kind of what this is circling is like we're shrinking it down because I know the number that kept getting thrown out was like 250 million, which is What five percent of what they've spent on? so far and so I'm like Everything has to radically change but it's they're pitching it as though nothing is changing ROM seems like he is like dead behind the eyes every time he's asked about this thing I'm sure the last thing he wants to do is make this leap And I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna do this. I'm just gonna do this. I'm just gonna do this I'm just gonna do this. I'm just gonna do this Ambient club jams and slushies and I'm like I just I don't think we're moving in the right direction But you know, it's been about four years longer than I thought it was gonna go. So who knows? You just don't understand tax loss harvest Literally, yes There's probably some sort of weird financial engineering going on that somebody's gonna understand and swoop in and pick this corpse clean Somehow end up making a billion dollars on the deal. I I'm not one of those people I don't really know how that works And I don't think Bryson knows how it works either But I who knows could be wrong It could be wrong. But I would just say based on everything Neil said it's I just don't think you can I Don't know man. I don't think you can say it enough times Like if you couldn't do it with six billion dollars, it's not like a small Administration like administrative change that we need. It's not a new investor that it's just everything nothing works It's not gonna work. And so it's a little bit of like Play stupid games win stupid prizes here. If anybody wants to put any money into this you deserve everything that's coming to you Also, however long it's around If the only thing that's working Is the international events gonna have half the events right? Yeah, but you know That's what they're saying. Obviously the Financial Times is part of the Crooked Golf media, of course No, if that's what they're saying it I I would understand Changing course right and saying like we are making it just these international things But it just turns into these like another your tour anymore either by the way, even Bryson just yeah, right the Asian tours gone It's all that stuff but even Bryson's and Scott O'Neill both like the the amount of time that they've pivoted towards to grow the game stuff We're like, no, you guys don't understand like all we're trying to do is grow the game. That's like great I'm sure John Roms fucking stoked to go do that for free like equity. What are you talking about, dude? Equity in what? What are we Bryson Bryson wants to build their own stadium? Oh for sure that whole thing. That's probably the issue They don't control them. They don't have enough over the venues. Yeah, that's probably what's what's wrong with it. It's just bananas it is And again, this is like I've said this a bunch of times when this shit pops up and it just becomes this Victory lap everywhere. They do a press conference about it Arlo comes on the air and just says they've secured investment Everyone on lines. Wow. The haters are really tasting it today. It's like what the fuck are you guys taught? Like what are you talking about? Why? Why do we have to keep like the only sensible people at golf? Like all the journalists and the media people that have just taken barrel-fire last for you just on repeat Just keep having to raise our hand and be like yo, that's not what happened. You are like, this is a lie You are not presenting this situation properly here and it is it's just it's it's been one of the most mind-numbing five years of Just complete shock of like I keep In my own head. I'm like testing my own logic Like am I am I like the one who horribly horribly off base here? Like how could this be possible that there are people that feel this way I how I don't understand it I really really don't it's I I do appreciate Scott O'Neill's like continued It's trying his hardest vapidness, but also optimism in these press conferences of these like like Appreciate the question. We're zero zero. We've locked in focused on driving it Spent my entire career. I I thrive on this. I seek these these fucked-up situations out like this is this is my Super Bowl He was getting asked about all sorts of like, you know, some of the big players and he shifted the conversation to Dean purpose It wasn't a bigger athlete in the world than Dean Burmester in South Africa that week That's the problem That's your biggest asset like that is the whole problem And then Bryson, you know Bryson said personally, I'd love to be able to play events on the PGA Tour - I think that's what's best for Golf, I'd love that. It's on either/or mentality. It's can we do both? I think that's where everybody wants to be There isn't a golf fan on the planet who doesn't want to see me play a big tour event and I get that I'd love to go play events that make sense love to play team golf and love to play wherever They'll let me Just a total understanding of the situation Sully do you want to talk about Jon Rahm shooting eight over this week as well? Dude, dude, certified visual champ. You guys can fucking taste it. You made 90 million dollars last three years 241 241 you got beat by Michael Assasso this week. He's an absolute dude Pope The price that guy's named Matt Vincenzi I'm tweeting about what's that says aura or something? All the deep basing that has happened in the last five years man it we are gonna do it We're gonna do a big retrospect. Give us some time. It's gonna it's gonna take some time Because live 1.0 is dead We know that live might technically still live on in existence as of next year And I just the people that have sent for live one 1.0. I kind of somewhat can get it But just the blind simping for whatever this new version is is where I'm like, dude, I Got to turn this thing around we got to get we got to pull some of you some of your friends have got to start Talking to you about this guy because you can't just blindly this is not gonna be what even the thing that you claim to have liked is it's not gonna be it it's gonna be a complete shell of it and The Bryson thing is It is such a like Bryson knows better And that's the key understands the situation much better than this like he knows like literally better than why he can't play both of the events But it's just does he the lame is this the lamest form of just like let me appeal to My Nickelodeon fans that don't understand the rules and regulations the PGA Tour and like I'm just gonna do a few more things to just Just to shift the public pressure on roll app and the PGA Tour cuz I in his head what he doesn't know better It is he's not gonna drive that that's not what's gonna drive the PGA Tour to cave and just like let him First of all, he's not gonna be able to play the PGA Tour much. Let's play both like that is in Completely off the rails line of thinking he left the tour knowing that he if he left for live golf He was gonna get suspended and banned from these events. That was told to him that was upheld at court when they try to TIO You know when Gooch and them were waiting outside the gates Or There's so much history there burned every possible bridge There was a returning member program that was offered to him at the beginning of the year that Brooks Koepka took and was able to get Back to the PGA Tour quickly. It was clearly communicated then if you don't take that you're not even gonna get that offer So I don't know what Scott there's no precedent for what's coming for Bryson I don't even think the read treatment is is in line with what's happening here and it I don't it's gonna be a rude awakening For for the people that for some reason still think you should you can come and go as you please more on that We'll talk a lot more about the rules and regulations the PGA Tour not on this coming week's pod But in next week's pod where we talk about 1995 That season which we dive into but like I can only explain it so many times on Twitter to people of like It's not a complicated model the PGA Tour Asks all of it men all of its members to agree to rules and regulations that include they're not gonna play events Unsanctioned events in North America. You're not allowed to do that live golf stages several events in in North America So as soon as they the the players teed up in London All of them were suspended very clearly very clearly within their rules and regulations it has been looked into Multiple times by the government and challenge in multiple fronts and no one has been able to take them down on that Because they need to pull everybody's media rights and sell it to sponsorships that for a predictable amount of money and support Professional golf as a whole and the charities they support along the way like that's how it works You do not get to pick and choose both and live golf does not allow their players releases from their events so that Live golf and it was when it was looked at by Judge Freeman in 2022 the quote She had there was paraphrasing live golf contracts are way more constricting restrictive uh than anything with the pga tour so she was sick i forgot about her yeah oh i've been diving back into 2021 22 there's a lot of shit we forgot about man there's a lot of shit tc g mac got beat by 42 shots this week he could walk out could have given him 10 10 a day he would beat his ass that's it's just g mac man oh man yeah so it's driving me nuts i can't find any trace of that message of somebody you might have dreams in you i don't know what your vivid trenching but i know exactly where where it is in the video too might have been one of your vivid dreams do you want to apologize then are you apologizing now again yeah yeah i apologize on behalf of whoever not you bringing it up and putting a microscope on it correct yeah "yeah anything else on the live front i mean no please no no they could stop do you want to go to the u.s women's amtc yeah i thought it was delightful asterisk tally was she dominated the finals it was honors was great uh they had some weather issues throughout the week just you know various thunderstorms rolling through you're going to get that in tennessee east of chattanooga and you know early august but um yeah that place is kind of a shrine to amateur golf that's kind of why it was built by jack lupton and and um yeah it just it's kind of pete dye's masterpiece so it's cool to see it televised and um yeah i thought like the um maybe the quarterfinals that she beat the that ma um yeah semis yeah she was like she looked like she like they were in my opinion the two best players in the tournament after watching it and that was kind of the that was for all intents purposes the final uh but yeah asterisk lost uh lost the u.s girls junior uh and the u.s women's am in 2024 to rianne maliksy and you know she had kind of she was bummed after anwa this year as well and comes out and just dominates eight and six in the final her dad was on the bag and uh it feels like just on that topic from earlier of all these young players that have high ceilings it feels like between asterisk tally and miles russell yeah that we've got you know a couple more coming through the pipeline on on both sides of the spectrum there so totally totally agree uh it was the quarterfinals dj regrets the error but uh asterisk just seems like a uh yeah she she's got it right i mean she's very fun to fun to watch wear some emotion on her sleeve fun to root for her and she's got a lot of i wish neil's uh power was working he was with us because i know he had a lot of great things to say about her after spending time with her at the us ndp uh like the development team camp that he went to go check that video out on our our youtube channel i think that video is criminally underwatched it's uh it's very very fun and a good look at who asterisk is and what uh her vibe kind of on the golf course is um one of those kids it's not you know still good it sounds crazy to say like this is some uh shocking thing but like still goes to to regular school you know a lot of these junior golfers are homeschooled they're traveling around so much and yeah she just seems like kind of a 17 year old a pretty normal 17 year old girl you know but a a world-class talent which is which has been awesome to watch and like you said it's a it's fun to see in amateur golf it's fun when it's not just kind of one bite at the apple like that's the only time we're gonna see that person before they turn pro and with the anwa and with you know the the the the the the the the the the these other things you you've kind of been able to build some more context around a player like her and so to to see that all kind of pay off and her get a massive dub today is awesome do you want to play over under how many majors for astros tally tc well i think you've got stuff to update us on from rose zhang so this happened earlier this week uh somebody like chirped at us about rose's major record somebody was like yeah the knowing a podcast predicted that she was going to win 13 majors and i was like i'm gonna go find this because that was clearly a joke like there that had to have been a joke and imagine the shock on my face when i found the clip that i'm getting ready to play for you from the memorial recap after rose egg won uh this is in 2023 uh this is me doing a bit this is me so was this when she won the mizuho this is what she won her first lpga start uh this is me me neil and tc uh reacting quickly uh to that win and putting it over under on major wins for rose egg whatever but over under i've been thinking about this uh you know because i listen i knew you guys put me on the spot i think the number is 13 that's what i'm going with i'm going with 13 with 12 i like that neil is this a a bit at all you're saying 13 majors for rose she's 20 years old why not 13 i think she's gonna win the u.s women's open a pebble like going away 13 it's not a bit said i'm dead serious put the word out like she might win two this year i mean that kind of game ages well too she's tempo town come on she could play till she's 50 the over under like 50 50 chance that she wins you know less than 13 and 50 chance that she wins more than 13 i mean i'm saying she's gonna win over 13 but the number is 13 i think no i'm saying she's gonna win 13 that's what i'm saying how many did annika win listen quince right listen i know i said 11 for nelly that listen i might have been a little off on that one okay but i but i know i'm right on this one i feel like i was just trying to rile him up tc i don't think so man that's not what i got from that clip i sent that over in slack and immediately they're like oh it was a bit guys i was like uh you might want to watch the clip you might want to watch the clip it was a bit oh my god that's devastating 50 god solid credit to you that's i mean you're really holding the line there we kept going it doesn't get great for me i was like four and a half i was like that'd be an amazing career if she won five majors that looks high right now i mean we still got time i don't want to overreact to that but we should get neil the do you guys see the the ten-year-old that wme signed i did this week i did we should get uh z zz townsend start getting the market set up yeah we should get neil to do the over under on how many majors she wins i mean just think about it 40 more years is that a 10 year old it's not good it's not good dc it's not good listen hand up sally it was a bad taste what do you want me to say let's not belabor it all right you know i'm sure i'm gonna hear but hear about it from your guy duffer on x the everything app i mean it's i don't know through the lip section it's at least like one of the funniest how do we not ever that happened and when nobody ever thought about it for three years my face when i went back oh my god that three years just melted away it did it really did it's terrifying what i what i'll say about it is in the archives back there yeah one in one out any old episodes get deleted they got we got to wipe those things out we can only have one out at a time uh sally do you want to do you want to a mea culpa on you saying that um dewey weber was gonna was gonna make the the solheim cup team i don't think i said euros why why would i think you were riding for her you're saying that she was gonna be a dutch what she had one one i think he was right i think i was like she was not going to get picked i just listened to this episode while i was cutting my grass tc you need it you might need to clock out big guy i am clocking out i'm going on vacation tomorrow you might need to i think this is a you know sometimes it keeps me stretching yeah it's 16 zero tc he's got a got a position player pitching i think he just let's just wrap this one up i think solheim cup picks were made tc you have some thoughts on they were they were yeah hey i'm pissed that that norquist isn't playing for sure i'm upset at that she's playing better than all of her captain's picks uh she picked leona and then three first timers julia lopez ramirez natas nastasia nadad nadad she's french nadal probably nadal yeah and then mimi rhodes who's been playing playing well so my thought on the french woman is that i think she needs somebody to put pair up with celine who is kind of a malcontent doesn't really want the ball um but and then the ladies european tour threw out some really bad ai headshots this was a very jarring concerning photos uh yeah yeah i don't really bad yeah this was uh solheim cup euro on x the everything app just a very weird graphic well you have what are you gonna Abandon the team, TC? Are you dehumanizing headshots? No, no, I'm not going to abandon the team. I don't think there's anybody playing well on that U.S. side right now. Do you see a path to victory for the U.S.? I do not at the moment. But that can change. That can, of course, change. We didn't get to this at the top with PGA Tour section here, but have you guys had a chance to look at President's Cup standings? Maybe come up with a little team, a mock team, on either side of the ball? Put any thought into this? I put a lot of thought. More thought than I'd care to admit, almost. I think we have an interesting – Tron, we were talking about it earlier. I think the President's Cup can go one of two ways. At least I'm speaking mostly about the U.S. side. And you already know me and TC are in the bag for the golf course. I think it's going to be a great venue. I think Chicago is going to show up. I think it's pre-approved that it could be a very good event. The teams – so the six auto qualifiers right now, this has not been updated yet as of this week, but this will lock after the BMW. There will be six auto qualifiers, and then Sned's will have six captain's picks. And the auto qualifiers right now, Scotty, Cam Young, Russ Henley, Sam Burns, Ben Griffin, last year doing a lot of work for Ben Griffin, and Colin Morikawa is your six, which leaves the next six as Goddard, Spahn, Zander, Windham, JT, Bridgman, Akshay, I believe, if that's 12. That's the next seven. Oh, sorry. Akshay's 13. Okay, there you go. So we kind of have this weird situation where it's like we can either – I don't think there's any in between, as you said earlier, TC. Like I think we can either go let's invest in the future, let's get weird, let's make this thing fun, or I think it can go let's invest in the past and it's going to be JT and the Harris English and, you know, people like that. I kind of disagree. I think they are going to middle it. Like that's where I think how things will probably shake out. So, all right, who's your 12, Salah? Who do I think – I think this is like – I'm not even positive this is like my 12 or my blend of what I think is realistic that they might do as the top – as the 12. But I'll give you the list. It's Scottie, it's Cam, it's Morikawa, it's Burns, it's Zander, and Henley are like my – that's my top six. I ignored the standings. I ignored – I ignored auto captain's picks because – What if Benny Booms is in? I mean, if he qualifies, he's in. And I don't think he would be otherwise. So, if he does, great. But he would not be on my 12. When do standings – After BMW. After BMW. Okay. So, two more weeks. Standings did process – this is through the Wyndham Championship for the U.S. side, not for the internationals. Where's Mr. Booms? He wouldn't have moved. Booms is fifth. Yeah. Okay. There wouldn't be movement at the top. But they're pretty – it's pretty jammed up between about fifth and eighth. And there's going to be a lot of FedEx Cup points available in the playoffs, I believe, which is – that's the point system they use there. And it's one and a half for this year, I think. So, Morikawa could pass him. Goddard could pass him. That would be – that would be it. Past that, I have an unsexy name in here that I think is going to make it and has not played bad enough to drop out of it, Bicantle. I think that involves the middling part of, like – I don't think they would go past him for the names that are available. It's not – it's not – It's not that appealing, the names that are available. We'll get there. Goddard up. And Cantley is appealing? Cantley wasn't even on my list. That might be a you problem than it is, you know, more than anything else. Cantley, Goddard up. Wyndham, Coivin, Gerrard, and JT would round out my 12 as of right now. Wow, that's big of you to put Ryan Gerrard on. I'm a big Gerrard guy. He's one of the hottest players in the world. Has been for a long time. I think this ignores, for the sake of argument, your team does not have Ben Griffin on, and it seems like he's going to qualify. I do not – I do not believe that that's the case. He's, like, 30th. He's in the playoffs, too. He's got access to all these FedExCup points as well. If he does, sure, that's great. But, like, the Cantley thing – Who are you kicking off if he's on the team? I mean, who do I think is likely to be kicked off out of that would probably be Gerrard would be the most likely. Dub's playing bad right now? He is, but, like – and, again, I don't think this way, and don't think it should – but he won the U.S. Open. Like, I think he's probably going to be on the team. I think he's probably going to be on the U.S. Open. Yeah. I mean, Cantley, again, has been one of the best – one of the 12 best Americans over the last 24 months, 12 months, six months, and three months, and is 10-4 in the President's Cup. Do I think they're going to look past that? No. I mean – Probably not. He's been – and, again, we don't have to do the whole strokes game conversation, but been way better than Griffin, been way better than Gerrard, been way better than Koivin, been way better – been way better than any other name. Like, it just – you have a hard time making a stronger case than that unless you wanted to remove – and I get fans would want to remove themselves from Cantley at this point. I get that, but I don't think that's the mindset of Team USA at this point. I don't think it's necessarily justified either. Thor Bjornsson, Brennan, Akshay, can he pee? Let's get weird, baby. And that is very fun podcasting. When am I like, oh, Snedeker's about to get fucking weird with this, man. Like, a home – his one shot at, like, captaining. Like, I bet he will take some risks. I bet he is going to maybe risk that they lose to a very bad international team here just to put some new blood in. I don't think that's going to happen. What if Snedeker said, hey, we're going to maybe lose this battle to win some wars down the stretch here, and I would like to be a Ryder Cup fan. But I die. A Ryder Cup captain in – That's where I'm at. Let's say 2029. Yeah. You know, let's build for the future here, and let me get a close-up look at some of these youngsters. But if this doesn't go great for me, I will not be the Ryder Cup captain in 2029. And I'd be dead if I blow this one. I'm not willing to lose this battle. I do not think that's ever been – this is why Team USA needs a makeover. Like, the whole thought process behind Team USA should think like that, TC. I completely agree, 100%. Or he should pick himself. They've made it very clear that they don't think that way, so I would not expect that to be the case. Looking at the internationals, we've got CU. Who are your teams? Who's on your American team? I just told you. You just listed a bunch of names. Akshay, Brian Gerrard, Thor Bjornsson, Brennan, Koivin. So who's not on from – He. I would tell – Yeah, I mean, honestly, yeah, I'm telling Benny Booms to sit down even if he automatically qualifies. Okay. Take it over the protocol. Like, Spahn's not on. He wasn't on my team either. Dobbs not on. JT's not on. Like, we know what JT's got. We don't need to see JT at Medina, right? I feel like it's a fun – it's an inflection – it could be an inflection point one. And so, yeah, of course, what you're saying is probably right. And that is probably what's going to happen. That would be like, if I was betting, that would – I think you're right. Like, that probably will be the team. But if the exercise is just like, what do you want to happen? What do you think should happen? Even if it's just dumb podcasting. I'm like, no, I think you should invest in the future. I think you should try to take a swing. And like, I don't know. If I was the tournament organizers, I know you can't – you don't want to make it like a joke of a competition. It's like a preseason game. But it is a preseason. It's like, dude, give the captain a little leash to be like, hey, man, I think it'd be – it'd be the most compelling storyline if it was close at all. And if it's just – I don't know. I think there's – I think there's – here's what I'll say. I'll twist myself in a pretzel saying this. I think there's a compelling case to be made on behalf of the PGA Tour that the Tour should be investing in its stars. And the Tour should be putting up like Akshay, Ryan Gerrard, Koivin, some of these dudes to like Brennan, Thor Bjornsson, some of these guys to actually like get a bigger stage to try to become bigger names. And if you want to – I would say that this week. It'd be like, JT, if you don't win one of these next two, you're not on the team. Cantlay, do you win golf tournaments? What's your deal? Can you fucking win one of these things? Can you make it interesting? Otherwise, we're not going to have you based on all your like T14 finishes every week. You've got to broaden the sample size. Yeah. Let's see. Let's give these guys a chance. You've got chalk at the top. They're still probably going to win. Like put – have an open tryout for some of these guys. Who wants to be a dude for the next 10 years? Go prove it. Can we not include Akshay in this? Like Akshay's not been playing well. He hasn't been a factor in quite some time. He won the Bay Hill in March. Yeah. He's not outplaying these guys. I think Akshay's shown that he's – I don't know. He's somebody that I'd like to – I'm more just curious. See whether he's – Yeah. What he's got going on in this regard. Yeah. Wasn't he on the last President's Cup team? I don't think so. No? That's news to me. No. Maybe it wasn't. And then the internationals. You've got Siwoo, Foxy, Hideki. Hideki's playing low-key pretty good golf right now. Minwoo, my guy Young Tom Kim, Corey Connors, who I think they should leave off. Adam Scott, Nico Echevarria. He's playing bad golf. Jason Day, Rio Hitzatsu. Sune, a.k.a. The Weeknd, Casey Jarvis, and Nick Tate. hailer with sung jay potkeeter and someone named jayden shaper in the three three spots out uh tc i wanted to ride for a guy sadarsh on yellow mirage he's playing fucking bad golf right now he's he's falling off and now we're getting into like bez territory it's just it's casey jarvis it's it's bad jason day's hurt we don't know what he's who knows what's going on with him uh which again is now i'm circling back to like yeah put akshay on the team man let's see what he's got you know i don't know so if it's otherwise it's just yeah it's just gonna be i which of course fool me 18 times but it's just gonna be a repeat of the last well yeah 15 years that's a major problem with the president's cup the problem is i want i do kind of want to get pumped about this one i think it has a lot going for it i think i think it could be very fun and very interesting and if it's just like then cantlay wins his singles match over fucking pot eater to clinch it for the u.s you know in a 12 point romp is like well here's the flip side of that deej i think would be we when we maybe have used the president's cup as a little bit of a proving ground for youngish americans of like let's find out about it the answer usually is a negative and not a good sign like what let's get sawhith in there let's figure oh sawhith that was not that did not go well in canada and now now you're almost like you cross like you cross him off like was he ready for that you cross him off and don't ever consider him again president's cup then he if they're not beating down if their game is not really really good and they're not beating down the door and we're just putting them on to test out the young blood is that a little bit of an unfair situation like if now if sawhith has a great rider cup year are we like ah yeah but remember he sucks the president's cup we don't really want to use him there it's kind of like you know is michael brennan ready for this moment if it doesn't go great do we cross him off and move on from there because i don't really necessarily think that would be fair i i don't i just don't know if um if you know they've made for better for worse both sides of the uh both teams make players beat down the door to make it as a captain pick as a rookie if you haven't been on one like it's internationals europeans and us have all kind of treated it that way unless you are a star talent like i think the coven thing is has a good chance like i do not to and if coven has a bad playoffs i don't think he'll make it but i think if he's around a little bit there is very strong reason to to pick him on the team and i think they should like somebody like a thor bjornson and a brennan are we have bigger sample sizes on them that probably put them behind somebody like coven for you know fair reasons or not and i don't think they've beat they've had one each had a great peak week but i don't think they've done enough to really say like i'm going to battle with you and i'm like i'm not going to take jt that just doesn't it's just not really how the system works again you're making a lot of sense and i'm not i'm not really arguing with you necessarily it's kind of just difference of opinion i guess but the it's not even difference of opinion i think i know i would agree it's difference of what you want to happen right like it's it's yes so i i think you're making a lot of sense the counter to that would be you pick jt you pick can't lay you pick whoever and like those guys the bed and then next year we get to rider cup time again and those guys are in the same spot because they're going to be and now you now you're just kicking the can on like the the difficult decision i feel like right where you're gonna you're gonna end up in that same that same spot where it's you didn't learn anything and now everybody's a year older and those guys don't have any new experience it's it's just kind of a i don't know it would be a very hard thing and possibly stupid thing to do but i know that's what i'm rooting for i'd also i'd also argue i know i'd also argue i don't know really what you learn right i mean like sam burns was great at the 2022 president's cup his record did not show for it because scotty sucked ass like he played really well and he turned around and he was in on the rider cup team in rome and sucked ass so it was like was whatever we learned about burns in 22 did that help in 2023 no it did i don't know i it's not that clean and there there's probably good examples on the opposite side of you know a young jt at melbourne with tiger and flipping that over and you know into his rider cup experience i don't know but i would use max as an example too yeah you know somebody who yeah but that didn't go great for him in canada in 2024 as well so it's it's not clean and it's that's why i think it's likely to go relatively safe but i but i it's almost a good thing to know of how the u.s team's shaking out like you can't go too safe like you can't there's no there's not a reason to go all the way down with with just experience there like there will be plenty goddard's done enough to get a captain's pick as a rookie that that that's beaten down the door that's big of you yeah thank you thank you we got the usam coming up this week we do at marion this should be a really good one yeah i feel like i don't like i just marion's a 100 same boat feel exactly the same way i i just haven't done choice haven't done the work on my end to to really yeah figure it out it's kind it's the kind of thing that like i really everybody that i trust says it's freaking brilliant and it's like one of their favorite if not their favorite course in the world and also like it's almost one of those places that i've almost set aside of like no i just want to go experience that for myself or you know either watching a tournament there in person or playing it and yeah it just feels like a very singular like the routing and the small piece of property and it's on and everything so i might dig in pretty pretty heavily this week because i think this is a great format in which to watch a golf course play out i love it uh match play is going to be excellent excellent for it and not overly you know 2013 was pretty heavily manipulated uh by mike davis and the crew and probably not the best marion representation i think but match play i think they can they can afford to you know kind of let it go a little bit our guy justin huber is going to be in the field my my partner in crime and hitting in hitting cups i know that's going to make some people online very upset that's fine which i will i will say to this that is for the usam us mid-am you want to get mad about i'm i'm kind of down with that like mid-ams kind of not us the usm is like aspiring professional golfers yeah i i i us mid-am is like you are working a job and yeah the former pro thing does bother me a lot of that level i would say you're going to get mad about that you're going to get mad about that i'm kind of down with that like mid-ams kind of not the usm is like aspiring professional golfers yeah i i i us mid-am is like you are working a job and yeah the former pro thing does matter i would say you do not have the the same leverage to get upset about the usam that's my take on that matter i agree and a lot of the people said to huber like hey go play the usm so yeah that's what he's doing yeah you know uh yeah i'm excited excited to follow can't wait to watch i forgot he's gonna be in the field that's awesome uh any other shout outs you want to give tc pleased to see the corning classic coming back to the lpga tour up in new york and that's that's great it's a big big win for kind of mid-tier markets this week you know it's the theme of the episode yeah um there were some cheeky usga pairings you know the the uh this was per christopher powers but uh you know they they put um they put uh caleb bond james hassle and colin bond together sure um johnny clark noah kent tully super the superman group together just fun cheeky stuff like that uh what else we got i love there was a there was a piece from ewan murray it was good stuff in the guardian about just this 20-year stretch of confusion mostly on x the everything app about uh people thinking that he is ewan murray on there's a television there's a ewan murray from the guardian and a ewan murray who's a sky sports golf commentator and they're two different people and you and you and murray the sky sports golf commentator former former professional uh kind of a circuitous or random route into broadcasting and he's brilliant like he's he's a legend and um so it was it was partly about the mix-up and the number of people that reach out to ewan murray of the guardian thinking that he and then he's kind of it's taken on its own persona go read it it's it's really funny and it's about their their relationship that's developed as well it's a it's a really 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