Speaker 1And we're back, live with Recovering Out Loud. Shh, shh, shh, shh.
Speaker 2Fuck, you're busy, eh? What do you mean? Like, I've looked at, so I opened my phone, and I see your beautiful face. By the way, I love your espresso videos. Oh, thank you. They fucking crack me up. Appreciate that. Mornings with my child. Yeah, makes me have more espresso, though, so fuck you for that. No, that's so good. You can never have enough. I agree. I agree. But, so I opened up my phone this morning, I saw your beautiful face, and you were in Montreal last night. Yeah. In front of a sold-out crowd. Like, a week before that, you were in Disneyland. Yeah, Disney World. Sorry, what's the difference again?
Speaker 3Orlando, L.A. That's a pretty big difference. It's a huge difference, yeah. I'm, like, pretending it's not. In terms of the heat, it's the worst. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I saw your beautiful face sweating. Oh, my God, dude. Okay, that's better. Sorry, I don't like hearing my voice too loud. Yeah, I saw your beautiful face, and so you're a busy guy. You know, I asked you to do this, and we had this booked for a while, and I was like, I'm going to be honest, I was like, man. Yeah. He looks, I wouldn't even be mad if he said no, so I appreciate you, man. Oh, that's wild, dude. Thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 3Of course, man. Yeah. Anytime. So. I appreciate the praise. The busier, the better, dude, or else I fucking start eating more than what I do. You know, you get too, you know, then you just, like, things slow down too much, and then you feel like you got to work even harder to get it going. You know what I mean? Interesting, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2And then I feel like for me, so I'm newly getting into this, I hate this word, but, like, creator space. I will never use the word influencer because that word drives me nuts, and I hope I'm not influencing anybody in this world. You are. Do not live like me. You do, though. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah. And I always hope that somebody watches something that I put out one day and is like, huh, I never thought about it like that. Because that's what social media does for me when I'm like, I'm going to try that in my life today. And specifically with addiction and mental health, I came in here, I had to be, came into recovery. I mean, like, I had to be willing. Because my life was such a shit show that I was just wrong on so many things. So it's like, okay, I need answers now.
Speaker 3Yeah. And that's the problem where, like, so many people, just the term influencer, it's like, this is the world we live in, dude. Like, everyone's on their phones. Everyone's trying to make someone buy something or make someone do something, in my case, laugh or whatever, and guide them somewhere. You know, mine's ticket sales, see me live, whatever. So it's kind of just like, you know, I feel like people get just jealous when they do that. Yeah. And they're just like, bro, you're an influencer. You're a fucking loser. Yeah. It's like. It's like, well, it's a living for me now. Like, what do you, you know what I mean? Like, what do you want me to do? Not succeed? Is that the plan? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, no. Well, for you, it's different, bro. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to, because it's part of your thing. But like, fuck, I could never, fuck that shit, bro. I could never do it. Yeah. And then you start talking to them and you're like, yeah, you could totally. Do you think so, man? You think I could do that? Yo, that'd be fucking sick. And you're like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You just don't want to do it.
Speaker 2He's, he's great. He was talking about how.
Speaker 3Here you go. Alex Hermosi. Let's go. Yeah. Let me get my thighs out for Hermosi.
Speaker 2He's like, you need to have people in your life that have, that have bigger dreams for you than you do. Yeah. Right. And it's true. Like the people I surround myself with today are like, no, yeah, you could do that. Yeah. Do it. Like you could grow the podcast. Why not? Why not you? Why not you? You could be fucking Joe Rogan. Why not? Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 3And you know what, dude, there's so many people being Italian like us. We, there's so much in our culture. That's. That's very limiting in terms of being successful. There is a lot of Italians that are like, well, no, you can't be, you can't be Joe Rogan. Like, that's crazy. Like, you know what I mean? Or like, you know, you, what, you're going to charge that much money for this? Like, that's ridiculous. Like that, that's way too much. And what are you thinking? But then you hang out with other people who are in the space and know the game and they're like, buddy, you should be charging 10 times more than you're charging. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And then you go back and say that to like, let's say your dad or your mom. Or fuck, God forbid, you're not. No, they're like, are you out of your mind, dude? Like, that's insane. No one's going to buy that. No, like, they just don't. You can't talk to people who don't get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. You just don't get what you're doing. Yeah.
Speaker 2No, it's a good point. And so you're a standup comic. You, how long have you been doing it for?
Speaker 312, 13, 14. My entire life. Legit. Since I was like 20. So 34. So.
Speaker 213 years, 14 years. Dude, I was saying this to my wife this morning. And I truly mean this. What I'm about to say. I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass. Come on, blow me. Let's go. Bring it. Bring my smoke. Yeah. We went to elementary school together. Yes. And you were the kind of guy that everybody would kind of hint. And myself, especially. Like, you still make me laugh today. But you made us all laugh back then. And it was one of those, like, man, that guy should be. Mark should be a standup comedian one day.
Speaker 3That's wild. I don't remember anybody saying that at all. We were all thinking it. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. I mean, I was the funnier person. I was in class and going to the office for it. Was there? Yeah. I know. There was that. I had a lot of that, too. I remember seeing you in there.
Speaker 2I don't have anything to show for it, though.
Speaker 3Hey, how's it going? Good to see you, buddy. Same thing? Yeah, exactly. We give props in the office. Mom brings us lunch. Back to fucking. Back at it again. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2How did you get into comedy? When did you know this? Was there a moment that you're like, I'm going to be a fucking comedian?
Speaker 3Yeah. I mean, I went to that Humber program. Did that. So that's Clown College, basically. Humber comedy writing. Yeah, exactly. They give you a nose in everything. For real, though. They give you a nose in everything. But that was sort of like, okay, let me try and take comedy seriously. And I didn't really know what to do with that. The goal was like, I wanted to be Mike Myers, Jim Carrey, like those guys. And I was like, okay, what did they do? They went to Second City. They went to something and developed this skill. So found Humber, auditioned, got in there. But once I did, because stand-up was never. Dude, doing speeches in school was like hell. Oh, I hated those. Oh, fuck. I would like be sick every day. They're like, Mark, you're tomorrow. I'm like, I won't be here. I can hear it to you. So that was brutal for me. But when I did stand-up for the first time, that was like the big defining, reassuring moment where I was like, okay, I'm going to be doing this forever. I feel like I'm in the right place. I feel like this is what I'm supposed to be doing. And then just went 100%. And that was. Nice. Never looked back.
Speaker 2What about it excites you? What about it makes you happy?
Speaker 3It's very much. A solo game. So like, there's no one else to blame but yourself. You know what I mean? It goes both ways. It goes both ways. So it's kind of like, if a joke didn't work or, you know, like, it's just you and your thoughts. So like, if the joke doesn't work, there's a billion reasons why. Every decision you made while you were before and while on stage affects what you're going to do next and affects the outcome. And there's no, like, you can't really stand on anybody else. You can't be like, oh, well, fucking buddy showed up, like, it's because of you, bro. Like, you can't blame anybody else, you know? And there's like, it's very much like working out. I'll relate that to you, not me. But like, the work you put into it is the results you're going to get out of it and the consistency of it. So that's the only thing I've ever done where I've given that type of commitment to and that kind of thing. So.
Speaker 2And seen the results.
Speaker 3And seen the results. And also like, you know, you see the growth. You see your chops get better. Like, you know what I mean? You, you, you're navigating it on your own. You're navigating it on your own. You're navigating it on your own. There's no, there's no one in charge of it. There's no rules. There's no journey to, like, there's a journey, but like, each person's different. There's no way of doing it. Yeah, there's no template. There's no template. Yes, there you go. Yeah, no template. And no right or wrong way. So it's very much like, yeah, well, I do this because this works for me when I do it. You know what I mean? I don't do one-liners because I can't fucking write them. And when I do them, they don't work or I fucking hate it. Like, I just don't write that way and it doesn't work out that way. And that's that. So you're going to have a different path than I will. Even if we're both storyteller comics, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2Yeah, that is cool. It's like you can kind of mold this whole, you know, you're kind of like making a movie, honestly, every single time you go on stage and you're presenting it and you're like, this could either flop or land. And you kind of learn from it every single time.
Speaker 3The really cool part about it is like being in the pocket. Like, what excites me about it the most is when you're on stage and like, I'm saying something to the audience, but my brain is thinking about something else for most of the time when you're crushing and you're actually like, that's when you're in it the most. And there is no, you're not thinking about anything after whatever. It's only when you start to tank, you're like, okay, this didn't work. This usually works right here and it didn't work right here. Now I'm starting to lose them. The next joke that I'm going to say is very similar to this one. So I should probably move that later and put something else here. Do you know what I mean? So you're doing that in your head to guide the rest of the show. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that part is. Let's call it exhilarating because like it's fun and it's nerve wracking at the same time. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2So I've always wondered this and I hear, I hear a lot of comics say this. I listen to a lot of podcasts, but I hear a lot of comics say, um, you know, and you just said it there when the audience doesn't like it or when it starts to turn, how the fuck do you know when, when it starts to turn? Cause like, to me, I don't know the difference when I'm, I go to watch a lot of standup, uh, when I travel, especially every time I go to LA, I always try to go to, um, comedy, New York comedy seller. And, uh, I, I'm like, I don't, you know, the guy starts talking about bombing on stage he's like oh this isn't going so well and i'm like look i'm like i didn't
Speaker 3really feel that how do you know oh dude like when okay you know when you're watching someone and it really is bad yeah yeah like really bad and they can't tell yeah the the comic yeah thinks he's crushing or isn't changing the way yeah yeah yeah and all of you are like getting real uncomfortable that's that moment when you can feel and you start looking at other people and they know and you know that sort of let's call it fuck brutal word here but that energy in the room and like you guys all feeling a certain way we can all feel that in any room we go to with any scenario yeah so he 90 of the time like a lot of comics try to just blow through it not address it because addressing it is like like when i address it it has to be going very badly and when it is i'm like i have to address this like i've tried everything at this point and now it's so bad it's like the elephant in the room yeah exactly and you have to address it or at least you're trained to but we are our worst critics so there is a problem with addressing it because sometimes a lot of the times anyways they don't know how it's supposed to go so yeah sure maybe at this line you know because you've done the show a thousand times you know that it's going to get a big pop here so if it doesn't get a huge pop that you're used to but it gets like a laugh that's just not as big and you go well this isn't going well it doesn't mean that it's not going well you're just used to it murdering right and it's not in this moment you know but a lot of times they still are paying attention and like are still you know locked in
Speaker 2you know yeah that's wicked what's your creative process like writing how do you write how do you
Speaker 3get inspired it's brutal i bet you it changes too over time well yeah like it's never the same per joke you know for a lot of the times like for example uh i have a joke that i have about dinosaurs about my wife not believing in dinosaurs which is a true story and the way i wrote that was we got into an argument live in person right all arguments are live in person mark fuck we got into an argument you're on stage for a second with her yeah no we got into an argument and then i had a show the next day and i just said the argument back and forth like what we actually said i said it on stage and it crushed and i was like okay so then i never wrote it i just kept every time i went on stage i was like let me tell that story about me and my wife arguing about dinosaurs and then it started to hone itself as you work it on stage right and then after you know you start to remember the parts that work and don't work and then it starts to shape itself into a joke or into a full story bit where it's like you know then from there you kind of you draft that out and be like okay these are the main points that work and then you try and build it and like punch it up or try to find alternatives for certain parts or whatever that's really cool i've never heard the other side is like you know i have a joke about food basics where like the whole thing was i wrote the whole thing out and then went to go and perform it and then you go back and you just keep editing it as you go 90 of the time my stuff is based on something that has happened i go on stage i tell it and then i tweak it as it goes you find new tags on stage you know you write new tags for it you know this part is funny but this line didn't work so i got to change this part and then you change it to something that works so a lot of family come and see me and they go oh my god i'm not going to be able to do this and they go oh well fuck i remember when nona did that but this part never happened it's like well the real part doesn't fucking work so you know like yeah some parts you have to add some salt and pepper you add some seasoning and stuff so but like it all comes from like a premise that
Speaker 2has happened at some point you know so we talked about bombing a little bit tony monaco dj dandy live luxie nightclub i'm gonna clip that do it uh didn't joe rogan get his podcast thing from some ufc fighter like yelling it on stage i learned that the other day some ufc fighter in interview said joe rogan whatever he says did he really and he clipped it from that interview oh that's hilarious i know i didn't even know that i didn't know that either yeah um so i wanted to ask you um this is a sensitive topic but have you ever bombed before no okay so sensitive at all yeah so uh bombing is a part of the process much like relapsing in i just made that up right now but um how on earth does one recover from bombing even either in the moment does it stay in your head
Speaker 3for a while after how do you get over it i mean i feel like you get a little better with it over time like the bombs stick out less and less now it's almost like jokes bomb themselves rather than whole performances at this point in the game for me anyways i mean that's not true there's i've had like from start to finish it's like complete silence and i'm like i don't know what's going on wow and these are people who paid to see me yeah yeah like on my tour i had one show dude was like silence the entire hour and a half opener and me and i was like but then the meet and greet line is 100 people deep they're all taking photos they're all like this was incredible i'm like i'm like were we in the same room yeah like was there a sound barrier yeah dude and i literally i watched the footage and i was like no there's no laughs like at all i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like at all and i don't know what i i honestly have no idea what happened but yeah man it's like you sweat more you hate it you hate yourself you hate your bits you blame your own preparation you know because there is a such thing as over preparing and stuff but like what is that how does that like you don't know until it's all over and you go fuck i was too worried about memorizing this part because you know like sometimes for example in a you'll i have this whole part about going to italy and like the different things that i'm grateful for in canada when i go to italy i'm not really italian when i'm here i feel like i'm the most italian yeah yeah yeah that's good yeah but i finally found like a structure for it that works so i really wanted to remember the structure because the you know it works so smoothly right and transitioned into my other stuff so i was like so focused on remembering that but then when i went out there i wasn't really in the moment and connecting with the audience for the first minute or two that like i was focused on hitting those points that i was just like a fucking you know you're not in the bit you're just uh like what do you call it like in robot mode you're just saying reciting the joke yeah you're just reciting the bit which never works and then you're like well fuck man you can't that's over rehearsing that's being over stressed out and fucking you know worried about bullshit i'm not finding the words in my brain for the things i'm on this entire podcast it's hot in here and it's very fucking hot here that's how i bomb when i bomb dude you want to see me sweat bro yeah come watch me bomb dude that's fucking my low back
Speaker 2i'll be the guy standing up and cheering no you wouldn't you'd be sweating too you'd be like this is a mess yeah well there's such a thing as secondhand embarrassment right and like people you know uh i was always told whenever i gave a public speech in certain areas people are like no one wants you to do bad and nobody it's kind of true in comedy too right dude nothing i
Speaker 3can't watch comedy like i never watch the people before me because if i watch someone who's eating it yeah it fucks me up like i i get out of my headspace like and i know i like a lot of times you should watch you know because if someone's going to do crowd work you want to make sure that you either don't you know there's a birthday in a room you know that this guy's celebrating so you don't want to be like hey buddy what are you celebrating the whole room we just told you yeah exactly right there's that type of thing but when someone starts to bomb dude i get the fuck out of that room immediately i'm like i can't be a part of this this is brutal because you're just you're just you like you soak in the energy a little bit you know and it fucking i don't know but you know i that's why i try and do like breath work before shows to get like out of my head and shit too you
Speaker 2know yeah some wim hof yeah yeah i mean yeah that's that's becoming a lot more prevalent now and and mainstream is this kind of meditation breath work yeah i try to do it every morning it wavers um but yeah before you do any public speaking um it's funny you bring up second city because i did a public speaking course there and uh i really enjoyed it i had a good time and a lot of what she was talking about it was a good experience um i feel like my public speaking has gotten a little bit better but uh i don't know have you ever gone up because this has happened to me before i've had to lead some you know in recovery we have to share our story once in a while and uh i've been up like you know probably i could say probably three or four times in front of like i've been up a lot but i've been up three or four times in the seven or eight years in front of like 200 people and for me that was that was a lot you know you have a podium you have a microphone everyone's looking at you no one wants you to do bad uh but there was one time
Speaker 3fucking podium dude yeah well you don't like it well because but you guys like to move back and forth right like we don't like to necessarily work but you have to engage everybody yeah but like you don't like just the podium is blocking 90 of your body yeah and body
Speaker 2we communicate what 90 percent yeah yeah of like through like next time just pull the mic out and walk around no i'm serious that would literally engage everybody oh 100 right away if you went
Speaker 3up there and be like fuck this podium yeah and pulled the mic out and just and walked in front and just stood in front of it and stood at the front of the tip of the stage automatically dude you'll do 20 times better just from that yeah i know you've got the notes and stuff like that no no there's no notes you just oh fuck dude then get rid of that thing because you're telling your
Speaker 2it's like i'm the only one that knows it so yeah i can say whatever i want yeah but you just have
Speaker 3to be careful when you're talking when and you're holding the mic you're not doing this yeah sometimes you're like so then i was talking you know i mean you oh because oh yeah and then no one can ever hear exactly yeah
Speaker 2um so you you know you talk about bombing is there what what's the weirdest place you've ever done a gig at there's quite a few weird how i don't know just like strange i mean the the one where you just literally told me about the people not laughing like that would be that's that's like
Speaker 3a twilight zone moment i mean i've done some at like sex clubs where people are getting like their dick sucked in the front row really you ever just bomb and buddy's getting his dick sucked no
Speaker 2i can't say yeah that's brutal is anyone paying attention everyone's paying attention
Speaker 3and everyone's naked and everyone's got a boner dude i was dude i was performing dude this is the crazy because it's like i feel this way about sex in general not like everybody if you see two people fucking right there we're both looking everyone is like i can't you see animals fuck you're like yeah you can't look away you can't look away so when you're performing and they're like you know 200 people in there they're all naked or how some are in robes and they're like feeling each other and this is like the preamble to their night uh it's like you can't not see what's going on and not look so this one guy's sitting in the front row waiting for his date cock ring on dude full fledger like just so like a rock ready to go like just sitting there like this was he making front row just like watching me my stand-up cock ring on looking at me like into the bits and i'm like i can't stop looking at his fucking his solid dong and i'm like looking around i'm like okay brother like i can't do this like you have to like this is you're like either start jerking off which is really weird but it's par for
Speaker 2the course yeah at least you're doing something do something with this or or take a walk like
Speaker 3you know what i mean and he's just like i'm just waiting for my my plus one i'm like they're not coming like i don't know it's just like i'm just waiting for my my plus one i'm like they're not like we're an hour into the show here like they're not here or like you know can you just not
Speaker 2be solid yeah call the doctor it's been a while it's been a long time like you have had a boner
Speaker 3that's full tilt for this long it's unbelievable it's very weird like and that was like i addressed it i said all this to him he started laughing and then he got up he's like what if would you feel better if i like got up and left i'm like i want you to enjoy the show but like like do whatever you want but i just want you to know that this is fucking me up and like then i go to the bar dude and he comes to me and uh still full tilt boner butt naked and he's like man that was really funny sorry if i like interrupted you he orders a drink i'm like oh don't worry about it orders a drink dude as he turns to walk away his dick just hits my leg i'm like i'm done dude get me the fuck out of here man his boner just
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Speaker 2how does that gig come about dude there's like there's because all these sex club
Speaker 3habs all they they have like you know themed nights and they have like big entertainment rooms where like strip dancing burlesque whatever right like um oh yeah it gets you know then at a certain time like after the show like 11 p.m you either have to get in a robe and get naked to stay in there or you gotta go so i always go obviously you know but like i uh it was funny i forgot my bag in one time so i i went back i forgot like i had like a little fucking side satchel bag or whatever crossbody fanny pack and i was like oh my god i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired and uh i left it side stage and like now the stage at this point was like an apparatus where you oh strap people to it and whip them and shit there's a different kind of show going on after you yeah there was like a you know feel free to use the stage and whip your pal and that's what it was dude like i come back to get my bag and like picture just like your standard like anybody in your brain like they look like a bunch of school teachers just like getting whipped and you know doing everything you can to get your bag back and then you're like you can think of and i just could not believe what people were doing in there blowing me away wow people are into some crazy stuff wow and they were like you're just not tapped into your sexual side i'm like yeah for sure dude yeah sorry i didn't want to get pegged tonight that wasn't in my bingo card for today you know what i mean like come on and i don't think my wife and child would appreciate it yeah i don't think my wife wants me here at all to be honest if i wasn't getting paid i would not be here you know what i mean so it's crazy the gigs that you end up doing oh man
Speaker 2uh i mean so mental health is a big part of stand-up obviously yeah so i so i hear man yeah there's uh you know there's there's a stigma in mental in uh comedy you know you've seen we were talking about it before the show you've seen a couple people who are now in recovery which is good that kind of we're going through it in in the throes of addiction and alcoholism and you you it's kind of a thing right like you a lot of people going through it but um how does i guess how does like mental health how do you deal with it and how do you deal with it and how do you deal with your mental health and around comedy traveling you know being on the road a lot
Speaker 3being away from your family what's that like i i sort of do the short answer is i eat i sort of got like i not to make a joke about it but like everybody deals with so many things and everyone had like and certain things affect people differently um what fucks me up more than anything is being on the road for long periods of time like you know you find your threshold like sometimes you book a bunch of stuff and you're like oh this is great i've got like two months ready to go and then you're like at like a month in you're like buddy i can't do this like i gotta go back like you you're just like you've been on 22 different beds you've been in 10 different hotels like you know what i mean like it just it wear and tear on your body alone the flying a bunch you can get sick way easier and like the last tour i did i got like i got bronchitis i got walking pneumonia i got strep throat i fucking had a fever like you know i mean because you're sleeping like shit you're on to the next you're on to the next and you think you can do it i noticed earlier on anyways that my threshold was about like three weeks i was like okay after three weeks i'm like almost sick of it you know what i mean you're like okay mentally and physically i'm drained and i need a reset i gotta go back home i gotta eat my own food that i make and you know i mean because like you're eating late after a show you sleep in maybe you go to the gym you're on a plane you go to the next spot eating on the road you're eating in a car like especially in canada dude it's like it's really long drives where you're you know you'll wake up in edmonton you'll do a show wake up the next morning and you're driving eight hours to fucking wherever you do the show that night you sleep the next day you're driving four hours somewhere else like when you do that for even a week you're like okay you know fuck we got a slot a gig in here where we're here for three days or something you know what i mean to really break it up and the wear and tear can get a lot which keeps you it keeps you busy but it also you lose a little bit of like i don't want to say reality because you're not really in touch with what's going on in your personal life in like mainstream life you're just like i'm going to this town to entertain these people with the stuff that i think works you're working on some bits you're crafting an hour whatever um but the having a kid is like way worse dude you're like you go home like i was in montreal for the weekend dude was it gone four days yeah i come home i'm like what the fuck like you just feel like you missed out on like a growth period right and like because you're so busy and you're moving a lot the kid's schedule is so much different which is terrible when you come home you know but let me try and gather my thoughts here on like what i'm trying to say but like you know you come home you feel like you miss stuff the schedule is different when you're away you try to facetime call and be a part of it but you know they have nap times they have bedtimes they wake up at a certain time which is completely the opposite of your clock when you're on the road so like you know eight o'clock my daughter's going to bed that's prime time show time okay so i'm missing good nights okay let me try and get good mornings i've been up till three o'clock in the morning i'm up at 10 11 a.m you know i mean i wake up i have like half an hour she's going in for a nap it's like you know and then when you get home the kids like for example i got home at like one o'clock in the morning last night kid was up at 6 30 so like you're not getting the sleep you're and then when you are with her in the morning like it's incredible she's so happy to see me she's throw whatever you know my wife's like every morning she runs to like your side of the bed and thinks you're there which is like soul crushing yeah you're like that's fucking awful so like all you want to do is be there so like i'm trying to do things in my life now to just manage my time better and buy my time back so i can do whatever the fuck i want so i'm trying to outsource everything i can i'm trying to have editors videographers like i just want to show up and do what i do everything else everybody else can fucking deal with it because i don't want to deal with anybody but my child and that's that you know what i mean so like tell me where i got to be at what time deposit the money in my account if i have to take half my money and give it to other people so that i can do fuck all in my backyard with my kid when she's home and available to do it perfect no problem you know i mean like i don't mind losing a chunk of my money to other people if it's going to make this journey or my career run smoother you know give it up to that's the one thing he said that made sense he was like outsource man as soon as you can which he was like because then you can have more oil parties right like that was this whole thing but so many uh i think jay-z said that too it was just like the sooner that you can get people to take on the hats that you're wearing that can just do it better than you like i'm at the point dude where like everyone you're dealing with does this pretty well like does other things really well so like why am i going to try and learn how to use lenses and cameras and spend two weeks with a camera trying to figure it the fuck out let me pay this kid who literally sleeps next to his lenses and would like bury me in any conversation with this stuff like why am i bothering paying his fee have him show up it's going to look 20 times better it's going to run way smoother we're gonna have no headaches i mean so i've learned the hard way many times by hiring people who don't know what the fuck they're doing so you know yeah that was a very long-winded no i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know it's a good point i mean and i don't know if i dealt with how i deal with the mental health but you don't man like you like you know you sorry i gotta get the sweat oh my god yeah dude look at this this is the water bottle just dripping sweat i'm wearing fucking my thighs are out anyways i love it sorry i don't like dude you binge eat that's my biggest problem in life i binge eat and i do everything in excess i do everything in excess i do everything in excess i do everything so i'm not a big drinker i've tried to cut alcohol almost entirely because like if me and you were sitting here having beers i'd be like six beers deep yeah because i drink it to finish it yeah you know what i mean same i eat to finish it i don't do blow on certain drugs because if i do we're doing it until it's done yeah you know what i'm saying that was me yeah yeah like you just that's the culture we come from is like you must finish this plate of food because the war happened and it might happen again and if you don't eat these potatoes you might never see a potato again that's my knowledge
Speaker 2i don't know you know yeah well the kids across the world don't get it so you know right you should
Speaker 3be grateful that you have it right yeah so that's where you know after shows dude it's fucked like i just i eat enough for a lot of people yeah so you know what's your go-to i love diners dude i just they're the fucking best greasy spoons greasy spoon diners do where ladies triceps are taking your order the swinging fucking triceps yeah bertha yeah fucking betty luanne sue like she's got a shorter haircut than me and shit like i love that her triceps swinging her hands feel like fucking base l like you know this is the shit i like because you can get anything you want bro like i love fucking yeah at night you know what i mean yeah it's like i'm basically just having yeah it's a construction plate i look like i fuck with the
Speaker 2construction plate all the time yeah give me the lumberjack whatever you guys call it yeah you places that you love to play like where the fans just kind of you know feel more receptive to your
Speaker 3jokes or yeah i mean i love alberta alberta is great like in canada yeah alberta seems to be awesome i mean i've been going there for a long time so that helps but like the audiences are just fucking they're loving it man they're like they're there to fucking laugh and they get it they're now they are a very conservative province it's a pretty blue over there it's very blue um but where if you take a place like ottawa that's very red liberal let's say i can tailor my bits to really anyone can be more racist you know what i mean or like more stereotypically this or that or push these buttons or play more conservative we can all do that it's harder to play more left i'd say which is let's call it cleaner but i've been doing corporate clean comedy for fucking since i started so but you just feel like you're finding that the audience member is more nervous to laugh at stuff because of how they will be perceived yeah if they will get in trouble oh they're there with their government staff party and they're always like like they always feel like they have to hide their laughs which is the complete opposite of what a liberal is which makes me like my brain baffle um but in alberta they're just like yeah sure they want you to go this way but regardless they're just open for like yeah man do it tonight you know what i mean regardless of what you say so if you drop a little bit of this or that they love it they eat it up now i don't i try not to do that i do my shit the same everywhere but you know you play to your audience and fuck alberta's just ready to go man yeah yeah
Speaker 2it seems like uh that you know they just they just want to have a good time right they know what they came for yeah because when i go to a comedy show i want to laugh right i want i you know i'm a i like dark jokes right and some people don't want to laugh why
Speaker 3they come to comedy clubs i know this sounds insane but like you can feel it where they come in nervous they're like oh i hope they don't make fun of me oh i hope they don't say this oh i really hope that that doesn't like you see people being like nervous on guard their their guards up that's the whole first half of the show is to be like fucking relax man it's like even people who sit front row like oh fuck yeah it's like dude what am i gonna say that's gonna really shatter your day here hey you're a loser hey you're a fat bald fuck like what am i gonna say and like and if i say that to you you're gonna be like oh like you're just gonna cry and break down like i don't get it why people get so nervous but a lot of them don't like being around people or being the center of the tension or picked on like it's triggering for some people to be like hey man you look like a fucking hey you know you look like this guy everyone can see you from behind you you can't see anybody else yeah you feel picked on or whatever so like i get it but like no one's there be the butt end of the joke for half a second dude be part of the greater cause for just 10 seconds because i am going to be for the next hour and a half yeah and you're paying to see it so fuck just relax you know easier said than done i know things can be triggering for some people but anyways i talk a lot do you do it's okay feel free to be like okay mark yo but listen i have
Speaker 2people in here so that we can hear them i talk too much anyways on this podcast so don't even
Speaker 3worry no i feel like you don't talk enough and you should be like mark okay that's enough
Speaker 2yeah i need a guy to just like hey yeah have a guy right on the other side can't be like okay yeah shut the fuck up dude i feel like so the thing with uh do you do crowd work yeah because like a lot yeah i feel like um it could go either way right but the thing i like about crowd work at least from the clips that i because i don't i don't know being an being a viewer of that like so it's a taped special you know live is different live anything goes for me live i like whatever i'm there to see it's your show but i i kind of i'm a little more picky with my my stand-up that i watch um you see a lot of things go in places that you don't necessarily think that they're gonna go do you have any good stories about like that working the crowd and you know how it ended up oh like it
Speaker 3going somewhere and it's like turns into a gem moment type thing like it turns out man yeah this was such a good moment like a month ago and i have the clip it's gonna come out soon oh perfect once i edit it uh which might not be for another five years like fucking editors yeah um so so this guy was in this girl was in the front room beautiful beautiful woman sitting front row no one next to her there's a theater show in hamilton no one's sitting next to her and a guy on her left like on her right side so i looked at them as if they were oh no right and i was like oh you guys are together she's like no no i'm i'm not with him all right and his wife was next to him i was like oh sorry whatever did some crowd work on these two whatever and i was like is this seat next to you empty like where are they like where is this person and they're like oh he's here he's just going to get drinks i was like oh nice i was like what does he do for a living he's like i have no idea i'm like do you know this person and she's like yeah yeah this is like our like third date i'm like oh what's his name like we should do something fun like when he comes in we'll like boom at the same time or like cheer or say something right or chant his name i was like what's his name we'll chant his name she's like i have no idea i was like you don't know what he does you don't know his name and he's buying you drinks he bought tickets to the show yes have you put out no what's been going on i was like these last three dates he's paid for everything i'm like so this guy is wine and dining you for the last two months taking you on like three or four dates you don't know his name
Speaker 2she's like no as i say that dude this guy comes oh my god perfect and i'm like boo like we all
Speaker 3start booing him okay i shouldn't have done that i felt so bad but he's into it he's got his beers he's like fuck yeah i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna fuck you guys whatever right he sits down i'm like hey buddy what's your name and he's like steve and i look at him like you know i give her a head nod i'm like what do you do for a living blah blah i get all this information out dude about him and she looks at me she's like thank you and i look at the audience i'm like i'm doing the lord's work and he had no idea yeah no clue i'm like saving relationships one day at a time these guys are poor sap was she embarrassed while you were doing that oh she was dying dude she was dying yeah it was such a funny moment because like the whole audience was in on something like, that's what i like about crowd work is like if when you get good moments man they're fucking they're the best moments of the show because they know it's organic you know then there's parts where you have duds who fucking say nothing or try to like out joke you and you're like just answer me dude like you know yeah what do you do for a living your mom man okay oh my mom you fucked my mom oh shit like you got me you got me dude now what like now this sucks and you're a loser have
Speaker 2you ever had a heckler oh yeah yeah how do you deal with that i find it interesting how everyone
Speaker 3kind of deals with it but i just try to engage with them as little as possible yeah like you talk to them you try and shut it down a little bit you know what i mean um give them their two seconds of fame you know and then try and flip it and make it funny somehow i don't try to go like roast for roast because i'm not the best roast comic unless i'm angry and when i get angry and i'm like going at you it's hard for me to like revert back to like my usual self on stage you know what i mean and i feel like it takes away from the rest of the show and i hate when people come and we get side railed by this bullshit for like 10 minutes um but that being said i've been like out roasted to death oh really oh this one lady dude she was hammered in kingston bro she roasted me so bad where i started laughing being like you're on fire like you're killing come up here yeah like she was and i was hosting the show so like i got on stage and she was standing up chirping how i was looking and i was like buddy the show hasn't even fucking started yet and the crowd is dying because like she said something about like like i look like patrick from spongebob like something like this and i started laughing i start chirping her they're laughing i'm like okay i won we're good she does it again i can't even remember i have it recorded somewhere but we go back and forth a few lines and then she gives me like fucking three or four in a row just darts crap like every one of them crushed the audience is like hyperventilating yeah and i'm just standing there i'm like okay you win like i lost like this is fucked you are unbelievable like you know and uh i made them start the show over again like i was like i'm gonna get off stage we're gonna play music wow again like i'm getting on stage and i'm coming back on and we're starting the show again like i can't i'll die like this you know what i mean maybe she was a comic no no she was just like your standard it was a construction company's uh concrete construction company's christmas party that was in the audience and she was like you know the broad who smoked fucking 40 packs a day
Speaker 1oh yeah yeah she's like yeah yeah just like you're fucking you know she's like i bet you have goat
Speaker 3like you know what i mean like how do you come back with that i'm like i don't yeah yeah sure you gotta sleep at your machine in the hotel like you're like oh fuck dude like and like she just sounds hilarious and like she's the fucking ball buster in the office oh yeah who deals with guys
Speaker 2that look like me all day she's got she's already got a one up on you yeah she's got 40 years experience yeah she's got credibility around the office yeah vip ball buster oh my god where do you see your future going mark like what do you what do you want to do what's next for you i don't know dad like fuck what's your five-year plan i love you you're gonna make money doing what yeah sorry what's this what's the whole thing here you're charging how much yeah what's next for you uh
Speaker 3i mean my goal is to get out of this couch as soon as possible because i'm sweating i'm sorry no no i'm joking i'm hoping the goal for stand-up i'd love to you know be selling out theaters across north america that'd be great um i'd like i only want to do one stadium and that's fucking ours you know what i mean i'd love to do air canada center that's what i call it so scotia bank yeah i'd like to do scotia bank yeah acc it's way better yeah even rogers center like you know no one no comedian has done that i know it's completely unnecessary and not ideal for comedy but i'd like the acoustics are all fucked up i guess yeah yeah well it's also like you're watching the screen the whole time you know what i mean like have you been any comedy shows at the scotia bank yeah dean cook a long time ago yeah like you watch the screen the whole time yeah no i watched they watched the screen yeah like i saw sebastian i was like i was in the lower bowl but i was watching the screen the whole time like yeah he's funny when you're that physical and your fate like you want to you got to be pretty close so i feel like theaters is as big as it can get without feeling too distant and some theaters that are in like the you know five like six seven thousand range it still feels like when you're in the back on the balcony like you're like i can't they don't have a screen here like this is you know they're so small and so far away you feel really detached like it sucks i i would hate to buy it like someone buy a ticket to my show and feel that disconnected so but i do feel like there's a good happy medium and there's some good venues out there to be at that nice you know like sony center meridian yeah i mean meridian is fucking huge like is it yeah and i i love meridian hall but that's the show i'm talking about like i was in like you know row 30 on the balcony and i was like i'm just like i don't even they're like miniature there's no screens i felt really out of it you know what i mean
Speaker 2um but yeah i think i saw theo von there one time uh i think it was at that one but but i mean the
Speaker 3price reflected like i paid like 30 bucks i was like whatever yeah i don't remember who the fuck i saw to be honest oh jim gaffigan jim gaffigan oh nice but i love jim gaffigan and my wife hates
Speaker 2jim gaffigan yeah yeah you got you either love him or hate him my wife's like this is the worst show i've ever seen too dark or just no she was just
Speaker 3like i don't even know what the fuck this is like yeah she's just like i don't like it's not funny
Speaker 2that's outrageous there's nothing worse than when you go to a comedy show with someone and you're the only one laughing and you're like are we gonna have to break up now like oh yeah i'm laughing at
Speaker 3the oh my wife's the worst like for her style of comedy i'm like i don't even know what you find funny at all like she's like you're hilarious i'm like okay but like that's not good that's yeah right but like i've taken her to see like a lot of the greats and she's like i don't know dude you know i get it some venues like like i said you know you see chappelle at scotia bank you're like you know it's hard to get into it you know we went to see kevin hart i was scotia bank fucking like last row just bleeding yeah i'm nose just drenched and i'm like ah this wasn't great but you know it's all in the venue it's all in the venue and where you're sitting yeah i mean i'd like to do some movies or some tv or something to like you know do some comedy acting and yeah
Speaker 2yeah you were in a canadian tire commercial i meant to bring that up to you yeah that was
Speaker 3funny it was whatever dude i did like 900 takes they chose the worst one i liked it it was just fucking yeah whatever it was fun we did a bunch of takes a lot of great people on that shoot that was fun but you know commercials i don't love them i'm also the planet fitness sasquatch i don't know
Speaker 2if you know oh no yeah wow have you seen those commercials yeah i'm gonna watch those differently now with a different mindset yeah yeah so that's my friend yeah the more dude i love the comedy
Speaker 3all the sketches that's what i get to do on social media you know except low budget but yeah like you know that's why i got into it you know i wanted to be fucking chris farley and mike myers and do 50 characters and shit so that'd be fun to do something like
Speaker 2that yeah i love your stuff man um i appreciate it i uh i want to close with this and i usually end my podcast with with something some i feel like i have not talked about mental health at
Speaker 3all like and how i deal with it which is like you complained a lot no i'm kidding yeah exactly that's all i do dude that's i rant i complain you know what's funny my wife would say this my wife would say mark deals with mental health by calling people yeah during the day and saying the same
Speaker 2story to 40 people that's good that's that's helpful that works man does it work yeah it's
Speaker 3there i do find that it works and you get different perspectives yes it's kind of what i do with jokes like i'll call like four different comics to run bit the same bit by them but they're
Speaker 2all very different so i'm getting a wide range of you know yeah i mean in recovery it's the same thing so whenever every time i relapsed it was always because i had a great idea that i didn't bounce off anybody right and i always make this joke but when i have good ideas like and when i mean good idea i mean about specifically like i'm feeling this way and i want to fix it and i know what's going to work right that alcohol that band-aid that quick solution and then immediately you might have heard this or might not have heard this this is common across all of us immediately it's like you you just 100 forget about it you just forget about it you just forget about it you just forget about all the bad times like it just it just escapes your memory all of a sudden right and you just remember that one fucking quick moment that you had where you're like that was fun yeah let's do it that was fun um luckily i'm further away from that now but it's because i talk to people and i call so uh i always make the joke that whenever i have this idea of and i i'm like nope it's good i'm gonna do it i'm gonna i'm gonna start taking adhd medication again that was one for me i'm gonna get on steroids that was another one for me and it's just like it's a seemingly small thing that kind of grows into this you know smoking meth again right eventually right so eventually yeah you're like i'll get there it's coming yeah no it's coming yeah so yeah just quickly the the thing the analogy that i like to give is like it's like me performing to an audience of myself and i'm just like this is my idea and everyone's like yeah do it man that's great right it's not a good way to live no i hear you i'm
Speaker 3trying to think of the things that i actually do to cope with stuff blasting music at an uncomfortable level in my life i'm trying to think of the things that i actually do to cope with stuff my car is definitely one i love long drives like everyone's like oh i can't believe i'm like i want to drive and i would prefer if you weren't in the car you know i mean like because all like like when i'm people like oh you're gonna you want a hotel for the gig i'm like no it's like a four-hour drive back home at like midnight i would love that really oh fuck dude and i'm like i have the volume maxed out and just have music going i'll ball my eyes out sometimes like you know you just you go through your head quite a bit that's great um or you know i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm or something to really like going to the movies like the movie theater is one of my favorite things on the planet me too because you don't you're not looking at your phone you're fully submerged into this piece of art if you will for that period of time and it really pulls you out of it it's like any live stuff like i go see bands all the time like anytime i go see something live where you gotta be in it is the best because it pulls you out of it you have to pay attention you get submerged into it you go on this journey that they mean for you to go on and then all of a sudden you're like oh i forgot two hours not thinking about yourself yeah and you know what's funny one of the best i have to sit up because this is fucking yeah i mean fuck by the end of it my chin's eating my neck but this conversation one of the best messages i've ever gotten in my life this guy sends me a message being like hey man don't mean to bother you but uh it was like a fucking essay of a thing doesn't matter he goes i was planning on killing myself today um and i was taking a shit this morning to have my whole day planned out of exactly how i was going to do it i had letters pre-written and i was like pre-written and ready to go but on the toilet i got doom scrolling on your page and laughed at like a bunch of videos and i totally forgot wow to go and kill myself and i was like all right that's sick and he was like yeah he's like i i like my plan was to get up and go to like home depot and buy stuff you know what i mean he's like i was gonna go and like execute this plan that i had but when i got off the shitter like i just started my day like a normal day like i got up and then just like unconsciously made a coffee and then made breakfast and then went to the gym like and like it hit me while i was at the gym that like i didn't kill myself today because i got sucked into your videos wow and i was like it's pretty powerful oh dude it blew me away i was like okay this is a message that like i put on my wall and when my dad says you're a loser i go yeah
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Speaker 2no but like have you prevented suicide today yeah you
Speaker 3have never so you probably encouraged it by a few people at your work you know that i think you suck but no but i like i've gotten quite a few messages like that not that detailed yeah quite a few people being like hey i've been in a dark place your videos help me out whatever you know so that's half the reason why i do what i do and those moments when things are in a dark place or whatever you're like okay a i'm grateful that i do what i like to do in the first place b it helps a lot of people see a lot of people feel inspired for some reason and i that sounds like the most egotistical thing i've ever said but like i stumbled in on a conversation at stl actually our old high school and like the teachers were using me as an example of like monetizing something that you're interested in and turning it into a career and like things take time and whatever just using me as an example of a road less traveled if you will as if i'm like some great success story and i'm like i live with my nanda dude don't listen to these guys whatever you know and like as much as i joked about it i was like i was blown away that like you know a lot of these kids followed me their families friend like follow me and family and friends follow me so like i don't know i was just blown away by that and i was like okay when shit gets tough it could be so much fucking worse like you see you open up your instagram in the last two weeks you're like it's crazy how many people are dying and going through the craziest shit on the planet so the fact that i'm at the keg at midnight in montreal and their kitchen is staying open for us because they're fans or they came to the show what the fuck am i complaining about a good life you know what i mean yeah you're like life is great so i can't complain i have a podcast buddy i'm done to complain and rant all day long which is my therapy nice i also have had a life coach and multiple therapists over the years so you know what i mean there you go talking to people
Speaker 2and listening to music drowning myself home yeah you answered that quick quickly you answered that very well so yeah i hope so my god the uh i i um i'm being honest when i say like i don't laugh out loud a lot at instagram videos but whenever i watch yours especially the no no stuff because it's so relatable i think a lot of comedy is like can the audience relate to what i'm what i'm saying for sure could do they yeah me too like and do that me too
Speaker 3that's hilarious um but i that's all of it like there's a stupid movie i can't believe i'm going to reference this there's a movie called august rush have you no have you seen that no august rush gold i think it's called august rush should i watch it no yeah it's okay it's about a kid who's like a musical genius whatever and he makes music based off the sounds he has like a hyper hearing disability but like he's in trap like he's sitting on the subway train and he's like listening to traffic and like noises and like he notices that they go in patterns and rhythms and then creates music out of it and this whole thing is like the music's all around us comedy is the exact same way we're like i'll go through something and i'm like i know because this is literally everything i know that 9 000 other people have gone through this exact thing like it's all been talked about and like you i noticed that when i got married and i had a kid specifically when i got married when i with like other comedy when i would watch comedy before i got married about guys talking about their wives like all the premises are like the same 10 premises really and they're all taking their take on it and you like you can listen to comics from like the 50s dude like you listen to richard prior talk about marriage and kids you're like i'm going through this exact same thing yeah you know what i mean so it's all relatable everyone has family everyone's got a grandfather grandmother whatever you know what i mean it's like the more i don't know people like oh i should struggle with finding content or what to do i'm like what did you do today yeah yeah did you stub your toe getting out of bed good 10 million people have done that so start with that start with that like it's just it's all around you at all times you just have to find a way to display it in in
Speaker 2your perspective i don't know if you've ever read rick rubin's book uh creative way he talks about that a lot i love it i'm reading it right now i'm like halfway through he talks about like we're all kind of this like yeah nothing's been done just experiencing and everything you've ever done has been done and you're like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god yeah sorry everything's been done nothing's new and nothing's new and you it's just you're putting your perspective on it what you're creating is not for the audience it's for you and you're just taking in the world and then regurgitating it it's it's so true your content is all around you you
Speaker 3know your inspiration is all around you yeah so i can't listen to him talk much so his audio book i listened to the audio book i didn't read the book book because i'll never get through it but like i was listening to his audio book i hate when it's the guy i know like before i used to love that
Speaker 2yeah you hate when it's the guy reading his audio book
Speaker 3his own book yeah because i'm like this sounds so much more pretentious or they'll try to read it yeah yeah a reader i'm like no man you don't sound like that you know because i listen to him in interviews and i love it i've watched every regroup and interview ever but then in his audio book i'm like okay dude stop narrating harry potter here like you're killing me like you know and like you just end up putting me to bed you know so i try to like you know when they do it like i think jordan
Speaker 2peterson does that too where he tries to read his own kind of in the way that you that he thinks it
Speaker 3should be read yeah and i know that's the point but like have some like you know some british guy he was just like you know just i was walking down the street and i know just like whatever you know you have to shit oh you don't have to oh okay okay yeah i'm good i don't give a shit i'll do stuff to the camera myself uh what else do i do about mental health talk to people on the phone man fuck scrolling is one of those things that really just gets you you ever notice that where you're like you're scrolling and all of a sudden it's like an hour and a half later you ever drop the phone on your face that's when i know i'm like you're done bud good you're going to bed and you're like elbow and like hands go numb completely and you're like wow i've been doing this for two hours but it's it's the same thing as going to the movies like you just feel like okay let me find something to either learn or laugh at like i don't go to bed until i've like laughed out loud because there's some nights dude you try to replicate it every night like i'll be scrolling and i'll find something that makes me laugh harder than i've laughed in like a month then the next night you're like okay i gotta find that again or you watch the same meme dude ever watch the same meme over and over again i watch this one meme dude where like this guy comes his wife and him are taking the dog for a walk and then he trips over the dog and falls into the fucking garden and like crashes the garden table over it's one of the funniest things ever and he's like sham it you ever seen that no i'm talking to the camera about other ways talking to the audience talking to the audience about how i uh cope with things i was saying doom scrolling is one of those things yeah that's a that's a rough one because hours will go by and you just have no idea but like i was saying like i love it when you find a gem like i'll find something where i laugh at it yeah harder than i've laughed all month yeah so then that's some like the next night i'm like fuck i hope i find a fucking gem dude yeah you're like addicted to the
Speaker 2the next laugh right you're like it has to be better that's my whole career dude yeah my career in a nutshell wait you you mean you you'd want to find a gem for yourself no i want to find a gem
Speaker 3to like laugh laugh harder yeah yeah but my career in a nutshell is the next laugh yeah yeah yeah it's a good comedy name get that on your shirt no yeah you it's a good comedy album yeah there you go you're welcome the last laugh the next laugh yeah and when
Speaker 2you're famous you can all tribute to recovering out loud podcast oh yeah you know who you look
Speaker 3like you kind of look like a fergie's boyfriend who who's that josh do him now no i see i've been
Speaker 2i've been told that before but also uh i think i'm better than i am so you look like like if your
Speaker 3brother was an alcoholic it would be strombo george strombalablas oh yeah like an older brother yeah like strombo could easily be your older brother that used to just bully the shit out of you and like well he's doing well so he's doing really well but he looks like he's been strung out yeah yeah yeah he looks like unfortunate because i don't think he ever was no sorry george if you're watching this he follows me we've chatted before george listen i don't think that you look like that all right i'm just saying it's okay he'll never see this don't worry he'll see it i'm gonna make him i'm gonna send this to him don't clip this out
Speaker 2yeah i don't i don't think thank you though that's a compliment he's a good looking guy yeah yeah strombo and if i could be half uh as popular no wrong word if i could be half as successful as him i'd be happy i don't want to be popular i don't like limelight i don't
Speaker 3but a part of me does it's such a weird balance because it's like it goes hand in hand it's like well if you're popular you'll get all the other things you know what i mean that come with it that you probably want yeah it should be a bonus right it should be a result you know do you get noticed in public it's ridiculous really eh i hate i that was the worst like the most egotistical answer ever but like it's uh you're being honest so it's quite a bit i'm grateful but also sometimes it's like you're at the kids park waiting for me yeah that's crazy so what do they want like a selfie or yeah which is fine like i don't i love meeting everybody i'm blown away that it even happens yeah i know like like it's insane that's great i feel like i'm a nobody and i don't think i'm anybody at all but it's like especially when i'm with people who've known me forever and they and it happens they're like what the fuck is this yeah yeah i'm like i know dude it's ridiculous like wow i'll be at the mall with my kids and like someone will see my kid and notice my kid jesus yeah they'll be like oh my god oh and see my wife and i'm like is your husband here like my wife has been getting noticed she tells me and i'm like what the fuck you're not in anything you know this isn't what i wanted yeah and i mean like it's fine dude like i love it again it all goes back to that dm dude it's like for them dude it's changing their day they're excited to meet me just because i make videos like incredible dude
Speaker 2like it's incredible yeah that's great man if you could you could say something to a you know a comic that's just starting out or a creator or somebody that you know is struggling right now with with their career and what they're going to do they want to do this full time what would you say to that person in comedy specifically or or any creation but yeah let's do comedy because i
Speaker 3think that's pretty unique and uh don't do it buddy yeah turn around yeah no no uh do it don't take it too seriously because you have to have fun you know what i mean when people take it too seriously and they're too in the weeds of things like they're like get too you get lost in the minutiae of things big word is it i don't even know how to spell it yeah neither do i minutiae i'd ask tragedy to you dr minutiae anyways so you just like i know just have fun and don't take it too seriously sounds like the most like it sounds like a fucking robin williams book cover do that like do that because if the audience is coming to see you and have fun if you're not having fun how are they supposed to have fun if you take things too seriously you won't progress you know what i mean like you can't you got to let the haters roll off your back if you have a bad set it's got to roll off your back you have to do the next one like you just can't you know don't you're a comedian everything's a joke that's the problem that we face with regular people let's call it non-coms that's what we call non-coms that's great yeah oh i've never heard that yeah non-coms the problem is we take we find the joke everywhere and we're like that's a muscle you work at all the time it's like let's find the funny everywhere so like when i'm at a funeral and i'm laughing at something or like i can't compose myself or like i say a joke to my brother and he's fucking like vibrating next to me laughing to tears and people think he's crying like it gets you in trouble but like you know that's the point right like we're always trying to find that so if you're taking things too seriously you're you're gonna limit yourself yeah so nice where can we find you mark everywhere and anywhere baby at not mark anthony on all platforms mark with a c not with a k yeah don't fuck that up don't fuck that up but if you type it in with the k it will still come up which is great so yeah mark anth.com any shows coming up nah dude not yet uh i got a big tour coming up in the fall another big coming up i got a lot of things coming up like but nothing like set in stone that i can release at the moment so yeah um but yeah i'm always posting about stuff so if you want to see me live there i will be always promoting to
Speaker 2see me beautiful dude i appreciate you so much thanks for coming down it's hot as fuck thank
Speaker 3you you're a good dude it's 38 degrees in the studio guys but it's actually shocking like it's it's crazy because i'm not sweating much here but like i'm gonna get up my back is gonna be just
Speaker 2you're like a duck it's all happening under the water everything looks good up that's hilarious
Speaker 3but everything but you're fuck yeah that seems like an analogy and a
Speaker 2healthy place how'd you know it has to be yeah everything's okay except i'm drinking like crazy and i can't stop smoking math math dude guys listen like comment subscribe this is the podcast
Speaker 3uh recording out loud what is it what is it recovering guys like comment subscribe recovering out loud with anthony and mark anthony thanks buddy
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