Memoirs Of A Sofia: Tuesday, November 10th, 2026

♪ Good morning, girlies, it's the Tollos ♪ ♪ It's Jackson Claude and where you're home ♪ ♪ It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know ♪ ♪ We'll start your day off, swirly, it's the Toast ♪ - It sound amazing. - Welcome back to The Toast and Happy Tuesday a very important day. - Happy pub day to Sophia Franklin. - Now we have talked extensively both offline and online about when we're gonna discuss our thoughts on the book. Now I saw some people saying like please spoil the book, like just tell us everything. And then it's all other people being like, please give us a day to read it. I guess we are celebrities who got it early 'cause we're like very influential in the literary and pop culture space. So like using our privilege, here's the thing. I have to talk about it, but Jackie and I have, I think we've structured away. - So we need to get this off our chests. We've been sitting on our chest. - It's so fresh. The book last night. - So at the end of the show, our fifth and final story is gonna be some of her book news. And then we're gonna give our thoughts on the book that way you can turn off the show. - You should stop listening to the episode after the fourth story. - If you plan to read the book and then come back to it whenever you finish the book. - See here. - I need to give my best and brightest thoughts. I finished the last, I had about 20 pages left. I finished it yesterday afternoon, right after the Toast. And like when I closed the book, I wanted to cry. I couldn't exactly even like tell you why. I just wanted to cry. - Yeah, there's no justice in the book. - No, and I guess like what's happening right now, like this change in narrative, like is the justice? But it's genuinely too little too late. - Yeah. We'll see what happens. I mean, the book's not even out yet. Let's see how people feel, receiving it. - Let's see how people respond. People who are in the book. - Let's see. - She calls out a bunch of fellow podcasters. - She calls out three podcasters who jumped on the pile on. - Nick Vile. - Harry Zhaozi. - Oh, did she? Harry Zhaozi, that's funny. And I know she talked about Jackie Shema, but not negatively. She was a really big fan of Jackie Shema. - Well, it's just, you know, sorry, sorry. - Okay, I'm sorry. - We're gonna talk about it in the fifth and final. - Let's just talk about something else. Moving on. What do you have to do in the last night? - We had dinner together last night at Olivia's house. - Of course, Olivia texted. - She made a naeze. - And when I get to texts like that, I'm like, how can I ever go back to New York? Like I was already thinking like, "Oh, Ben's not home. What are we gonna do tonight?" - We were already like, punting, dinner, and back. - Yeah, like, do you wanna eat at yours? Like, and then Olivia's like, "I made meat sauce, do you wanna come?" Yeah, I wanna come, one, 'cause I don't wanna clean up into, like, meat sauce my favorite. - Yeah. - And it ended up just being a beautiful night where we, of course, ate more beef, like, once again, jacking up. - Mm-hmm. - I'm actually feeling like, I'm actually feeling very good. - Beef season. - And I think it's because of all the beef. - More beef. - Yeah. - We should sweet potato max tonight, I think. - I'm okay. - We should try it. - I think I'll Halloween candy max. - Dorothy Wang, she saw my sweet potato max and she said that she heard that they're really good for pregnancy, so she was gonna max. - Okay, well now that you said it's really good for pregnancy. - Max, just max. - I don't like sweet potato. - It's good. Do you like a sweet potato fry, dairy? - I tolerate it, yes. - Okay. - With lots of salt, crispy bird to edges, and ketchup. - So, it's not a bad flavor. I think you can make it work. - Ketchup is like starting to gross me out. - That makes sense. - We're in such a big ketchup base. - The water before the ketchup, what about that? - Oh, of course, but that grosses me out since I'm born, you know? Just like the smell of ketchup, it's all over my clothes, like, it's starting to gross me out. - Yeah. - And I feel that a time is an overuse condiment. - Agreed. It's your only condiment though. - It's all here to it. - Now I also mess with, um, do I eat any other condiments? Like on the refrigerator door. - No. - I love mustard. Mustard's my favorite condiment. - I guess ketchup would be my only favorite condiment by sheer-- - And mayo, you love. - Oh my god, don't see those words, like, oh, I did something crazy yesterday. - You painting your nails, Red. - You like my firecracker red nails? Like, Jack and I do the same dazzled red color, like, always. - I do love. - But there is like a few months out of the year where I decide to, you know, go a little crazy and I got sort of a dark moody red. I have my prenatal nails, they're long and strong, and I feel like you can get away when you have short stubby nails, it's like, girl, don't do anything besides like pink. - Don't draw attention. - Don't pause. - Just sort of like, blend in. Why stand out when you were born to fit in? But, you know, I've got my parallel nails, and I'm like, you know what? I could do anything. I could do, like, blue. That's why Margot's always doing crazy colors, because our sister Margot was like long-skinned nails. If I had that, yeah, I would also be doing, like, color art on my word art on my fingers. So I just felt like, yeah, if you guys see me, like, playing with my hands a lot today. - If you guys see me playing with my hair a lot today, you better shut the fuck up. - Oh, my hair. - Stopped playing with my hair, because everybody's calling me out for it, and I know it's an annoying thing for me. Then yesterday, I didn't play with my hair, and like, my regrowth strands were popping out, which is why I'm always going like this version of this just to tuck them back in. And so then you guys clowned on me for having my regrowth strands out, like, not you coming for new mamas. - And here's the thing. It was so self-phobic. - It was so self-phobic. - If you ever find yourself commentating on the hair structure growth laying of a woman's hair, who just recently literally five days go get birth, just know you're a woman hater, and that's not behavior that's welcome here. - No, it's not. And only I'm allowed to hate women. - Include in that women who touch their hair, because I'm doing it for a purpose. - There we go. - And you know what? If you come in on somebody who like touches their hair a lot, you're also able to, 'cause a lot of people do it because of anxiety. - Of course. - But it's like, you guys have known me now for eight odd years. I'm not a chronic hair toucher, so if you're just going through something, there's something's going on. You also have dry scalp. Be more insensitive. - You could also have scalp psoriasis. - Be more insensitive to what I'm going through. Oh my gosh, the comments stand if I do, if I don't. - And I just want to say. - We're really making a big deal about that. - I didn't notice your hair at all. - While you were sitting across from me. - In person, and then on camera, I'm like, what is, I still didn't see it, I'm like, what is everyone talking about? I have no idea. - My hair's growing back. Okay. Relatable. - Thank God for that. Relatable mama. - And thank God for that. And it was hair doesn't grow back. - Do you know what it's supposed to do? The process is taking course, nature is healing. And you're making me want to do a two, okay? - Yeah. - It's a new cool move. - It is. All the cool girls are doing it. Eh. - Trying to think, what did I do last night? Oh, nothing because our husbands play in their intramural basketball league every Monday, which like, oh, it gives me time to like, you know, get stuff done. - Yeah. - I was like online shopping, just like doing literally nothing. - Oh, I was, I was helping you online shop. - Yes, I was looking for like a lamp. - And Jackie has beautiful lamps. And I said, where do you get your lamp? - I love lighting. - And she sent me the website. - Visual comfort. - $8,000 lamp. Like, I'm sorry. I really can't talk to you anymore. Like. - But then I found you a budget option that actually was just as nice, if not nicer, then what I had saying from Visual comfort. - And that's beautiful. - It was from shadesoflight.com. - Not a org. - Not a org. - And nonprofit. - So we crushed that. I also then watched Sofia Franklin on the boss sticks. - Are you at the whole thing? - I watched the whole thing. - I've been like, I've been keeping up with the press store just via clips. Be careful what you said. I don't want to go down the recap route. - No, but that episode came out before the book came out. And it was her first episode. Now, she's doing a lot of other podcasts I saw nisman in. - Not to get even on that. - Emma Grieby said the other one we need to talk. And then I think we met at Acme. Like she's just doing the circuit, which is great. The boss sticks was first and it was before the books. It was also like not super spoiler-y. But it was just really fun. I mean, I really enjoy all three of the individuals on camera. - So I honestly had FOMO, and they talked about having gone out the night before. - They went out? - That's like Lauren said. - Oh, Sofia Franklin comes to dear media when. - Oh, I hope. - That's obviously what the media is. - Well, I feel like she would find it like homey. - Well, I do hope that, and she talks about it in the book. I like Sofia with an app like her solo podcast is sort of just bit on this like, sort of like aimless journey. I think because she with herself was on an aimless journey, just like this broken girl. I hope that now that she feels very sure of herself, she has a lot of support. I hope that the podcast takes like a new direction. I could deal with like a rebrand, maybe a new name, and sure take it to dear media. - Yeah. Well, she made a very good point, which is that she always showed up on her daddy, just like authentically herself. These are her stories, although she never like put on a- - Never to think or act. - Never to think or put on like a persona or anything. And so then when she was just like completely rocked at feeling her worst, you know- - So subconscious. - Rock bottom. So depressed. You can't show up on camera as yourself, because that self is not- - And when people are so critical of you. - So you start having to perform and like be someone other than who you are in that moment, and that's not who she is, so it always just felt like so inorganic and not like what she was known for. So I thought she communicated that point really well, because you can make the argument and in the book, you know, it starts to come up, like who was the talent, who was the funnier one, who carried the show, and it's like, well, some people argue it was Sophia. And if it was Sophia, then how come she didn't go on to do that on her own show? - And Alex actually did. Because that thing that she had was taken for- and really, I think that thing was her confidence. - Oh, and by the way, I do believe that the two of them were perfect for each other in terms of a working relationship and in terms of what skills they brought to the table. Everybody says, like, Alex is talentless, like everyone says that now. I actually don't think that's the case. I think that they both had really complimentary sets of skills. - Yes, but also I think a duo is just a great thing. - And there are so many success- I mean, I'm obviously, like, duo phillic, because I'm part of a duo and it's everything to me. - So that's why I also, I think, the book hits harder for you and I? - Yes. - Because we're in those shoes and it's a tragedy. - And I just want to say, if you and I did go solo, I think both of us would actually have like, decently successful podcasts that did me to be good just because, like, we are good podcasts. And at this point, they only did call her daddy for, like, two less than two years. At this point, we have a decade under our belts. Like, we could do this in our sleep. - Yeah. - But it wouldn't be as good as the Toast OJ. - No, there are so many things, like, if I think about my own podcast, I just know I would, like, I would sort of step on my own feet by, like, just cover, like, going down rabbit holes at, like, not. people don't want to hear about. You know what I mean? - Yeah, sort of. - Like, just, I feel like doing the toast and with you, it just makes it like more mainstream stuff as opposed to, like, - You have these interests. - Yes. - You know what I mean? So I can see it really like just being sort of siloed. - You have of course, of course, tangential. - What would your own podcast be about? - I don't know, I just feel like I would end every sentence with like, you know, because what the hell am I talking to? Like, I actually, I've done like, maybe three solo podcasts in my whole life. Once when you were on maternity leave, I like tried it on Patreon. I had to stop every three minutes. I was so out of breath, you have no time to catch yourself, like, or catch your thoughts. And then when I first started before the toast, I had a podcast called Girl with a Podcast. It like, was a solo podcast, but I just can't bring in people on 'cause I needed someone to talk to. - Well, that's like, what else didn't, right? - Eventually, she didn't do call her daddy by herself. She brought on co-hosts every week. - And people who do solo podcasts? - No, co-hosts guests. - People who like truly solo podcasts are crazy. Like, - Stronger than all of us. - God's type of soldiers. Like, who the hell are you talking about? - Okay, but who truly solo podcasts? - Like, without guests? - Without guests. - That's a good question. Heather McMan. - Heather McMan. - Completely by herself. Sometimes I think she has come, yeah. But that's also, you're like delivering news. That's not conversational. She would Heather does it so much more impressive. 'Cause she's just like making people laugh. - Conversational with herself. - Right. - I'm going to the top shows. - Like genuinely a crazy person. - You're a rogue in disguise. - Megan Kelley is by herself, but she's like reading off a teleprompter basically like in a news death. - But still, she's doing it by herself successfully, and that's the question that we asked. - Yeah, fine. - But not bringing on a guest every time. - But I want to know more so in the name of the audience. - Mel Robbins, what she doing. - She interviews. - She interviews. - She interviews, okay. Armchair has a gaggle. - Oh, people were saying that Sophia should go on armchair 'cause they're sort of removed from like the swirly universe. They don't have like any relationship with Alex Cooper. And I do think that they would do an amazing job with her. - Armchair loves childhood. - Childhood loves armchair. - When Sophia was on the Bostics, and they talk about how she runs through all these traumatic events of her life, like pretty quickly, - Without processing her. - Exactly. - And she said, - We are doing what we said we weren't gonna do. - Just let me just say the one thing, because you'll appreciate it. She said, I part one, I really just sort of got through, because when I'm reading other people's memoirs, I really don't want to hear about years one through 12. - Relatable. - I don't want to say they're people are just being introduced to me like they don't care. They don't not invest it in me yet. And she feels the same way that we talked about. Memoir childhoods, you know, stick to the necessary points. - Unless you have, and I feel that way about Jessica Alba. - Jessica Alba, my favorite celebrity. - Jessica Simpsons memoir, unless you have like the crazy stuff. - Well, she's a child star. - No, and even before childhood, start 'em. Like if the circumstances of your childhood are so whack, you know, and she really have these crazy stories about the Bible belt and the church, like there was a lot of interesting things there that I was able, but like if you just grew up in a regular neighborhood, like skip it, skip it. And if your dad like raised his voice, skip it. - Skip it, I just like, it's not relevant to me. - Yeah, so she included all the need to know information, but you did need to know. - Yeah, I agree. You do need to know about her. So we'll talk about all of that in our within the final story. Before we dive into the stories, how are you? - I'm very good. Thank you so much. - Why don't you voice go up like you're lying? - Is that what it sounded like? - Have you seen that Ariana Grande is like now starting to do press for "Meet the Father-in-law," whatever the movie's called? - Fockers. - Focker-in-law. - Focker-in-law, good title. - Ben Stiller. I guess she's marrying Ben Stiller's sons. - Yeah. - And her Robert Jenira Ben Stiller, like this trio now, like doing press, they were doing, like a Jimmy Fallon skit. Honestly, Jimmy Fallon is so funny. And I forgot to share that over the weekend, I watched the movie "Fever Pitch," which I had never seen before. It's like a classic rom-com. It just must have, it missed us. Did you ever see it? - I said not with adult eyes. - It just like missed me. I'm not, - Missed me with that. - I wasn't into sports and Boston. Like, I don't know, it just, it didn't ever seem relevant to me. But we were looking for a movie. Ben was like, you've never seen "Fever Pitch." I'm like, you have? He was like, yeah, it's the best movie. I was like, okay, so we watched it for a while. I loved it. I was cracking up. Such a good movie. And I didn't really know because it's a little bit before my time about Jimmy Fallon's acting career. I do think it starts and ends with "Fever Pitch." - What about 51states? - Who's that? - Adam Sandler. - They movie. - No, I think that Jimmy Fallon was very much on like a Pete David's introjectory. - Yeah, SNL. - SNL actor. - And then like just really popular comedian who gets tapped for this thing. But my experience at Jimmy Fallon literally starts at the "Tonight Show." I don't know him from SNL, I don't know. And let me tell you, he was so cute in this movie. Like he plays this kind of nerdy baseball fan, whatever school teacher is a very affable guy. It made me like him so much because I'm like, are you even a good actor? Or are you just the cutest ever? Like he was so cute. It was such a good movie. And now I'm obsessed with Jimmy Fallon. And you know what I really kind of was. - Oh good. So there's your "Fever Pitch" recap. - Yeah, just like-- - 35 years too late. - But they went on Fallon and they played this really funny game where like everybody picks up a story, like a pamphlet. It's like two truths in a lie. So Ariana Grande picked up this thing like when I was, when I was a kid, I fell into the aquarium at the bokeh. I fell into the fish tank at the bokeh aquarium. And it was really traumatic. And then everybody asks you questions. You just basically have to lie if it's a lie. Or it might have been the truth. And then they guess if she was like, she's coming up with these insane lies. And she was like, they were like, well why were you near the tank? She's like, you know, it's bokeh. Like everything's very extravagant. And Jimmy Fallon's like, no, I don't know bokeh. And then the whole time, every time she says something, he's like, I mean, you know bokeh. Like it was seriously so funny. And she did end up tricking Ben Stiller. And did she fall into the tank? - No. But she made up this elaborate story that like Frankie was really into scuba diving until like their parents arranged, then this thing at the local aquarium where you could scuba dive in the tank with like these little minno sharks. And she was watching him and fell in. (laughs) They literally believed her. It was really funny, it was a cute segment. - Well, she's a good actress. - Actually, people are like debating that on Twitter. I've seen like some clips from the movie. - From Falkers. - Yeah, from the movie like going viral sort of debating whether or not she was cast properly. - Oh. - I'll decide for myself. - Yeah, agreed. Speaking of movies, the children went to the movies yesterday. And they saw the new Kat and the Hat things to dancing with the stars. And I had no idea, I was so excited because it's like an animated Kat and Hat. And they made the Mike Myers one. But I thought this was going to be like. - And the Mike Myers Kat and the Hat featuring Alec Baldwin is the best movie ever made. - Yeah, and the book is the best book ever. Like Kat and the Hat just crushes it every time. - It's timeless too. - And you know Zach loves to go to the movie. So if there's ever something in theaters that like, the kids can see, it's just like a win for all. So I was like sure, yeah, Kat and the Hat, of course. And I thought it was just like an animated version of Mike Myers. - Like the way the new Grinch for kids was animated Grinch. - And remind me who voiced the cat in this movie? - Bill Hader. - I thought that was a random choice. - I thought it was randomly as good, you know, who else should do it? - Oh, well we could have that conversation later. - Anyways, turns out this movie is not the Kat and the Hat as we know it. It's a completely different plot. - It's a completely different plot. So I even call it Kat and Hat too. It should be called first of all, there's three things, which I was excited about and dance with the stars. But bad guy, who's the bad guy? Thing too. That's very disrupted for children. - That is and also like, how can you just remake a movie and change it entirely? That's not a remake. - No, and it's not like, you know, Sally and me too when the cat came over because it was raining and it was too wet to play. So we got inside all the cobble and that. - No, they move apparently and they're living in a new neighborhood and they're like, you know, feeling some sort of way about the move. So like the cat comes and she gets-- - Do they know the cat like has the first movie already happened or is this a new-- - I think this is old friend Kat, yes. - Old friend of Kat, okay. I think so. I didn't get to the finer details. I think it's old friend Kat comes and he's like, they have a day and really explains why they live in the new neighborhood and then they're feeling good about that. It's just a completely different movie and it's not what I thought it was gonna be and I just don't think you can do that. - I just really, we should recognize it like in the cat and the hat universe. - No, and they should-- - You shouldn't be allowed to do that. - I completely agree. - Call something Kat and the hat, use the imagery. - It's based off of a book and you're literally not even like referencing the book a little bit. - And it's not from the original source material and I also just think like Kat and the hat as it is is not played out enough. We do need an animated version of original Kat and the hat. We need more Kat and the hat, it's so amazing. - It's so amazing, it's not a musical. - It could be. - Which sure, yes, love that. But I actually don't think we need more Kat and the hat only because the movie that they made was so incredible. - The movie is amazing but it's a little inappropriate for young children. - Alec Baldwin like picking his belly and drinking beer. - Even on the songs, there's like rhymes and they leave you guessing that it's like it's supposed to meant with ass. - Yeah, yeah. - It's for small children, not entirely appropriate. That's why if they didn't animate it version, similar to how the Grinch has Jim Carrey and then the Benedict Cumberbatch one, we could still go for a Benedict Cat and the hat. Anyways, very disappointing. I'm shocked at dancing with the stars on the movie. That they didn't make that more clear. - Did Zach take the kids to Paris we get afterwards? - No, that's today's episode. - Okay. - We're just hitting up all the sponsors next. 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The internet is divided on whether or not they were brush straps or headbands. Well, so they were brush straps meant to be worn as headbands. So skims has received backlash and is responding to it over their $150 ad van calendar. So ad van calendar is like you open one thing every day. There's like a little surprise in there. It's just something that gets really popular especially with like beauty brands during holiday season. Because it's little things. Right, you get this like big cardboard box that has like perforated boxes within it. Like doors like a little dollhouse. And every day in December, you're supposed to like open one up and you get a Christmas present every day. Now, when you look at, you know, like let's say they took out everything from the skims calendar and they put it on a table. It looks like the junk you find at the bottom of the couch version. And like yeah, in the bottom of your car. It's an old scrunchy, a dirty, brush strap like bobby pins. It's genuinely offensive. Having said that, I actually can't even blame skims for this ad van calendar culture is insane. Every year, it's like, did you see the viral door? And it's like a perfume sampler. Like, so yeah, skims went a little bit more brazen with it. But I just want to say, this is like genuinely what to me every ad van calendar looks like. And I see people so excited. You get no full price items. You get the things they literally give you for free with purchase at Sephora. Like yeah, no wonder like they took it a little far people. The bar for people, at least the way I see it. When it comes to ad van calendars, it's so low. I once got a sugar fena ad van calendar. Candy company. And it was amazing. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Every day was a new sweet treat. Can I tell you something? The level of sort of eliteness, I feel, for never once in my life having purchased an ad van calendar. I'm very susceptible to like a lot of consumer things. For some reasons, like ad van calendars have completely missed me. This conversation is like making me want to participate. Like a little gift from me to me. The thing is, I think if you were on TikTok, you would have gotten ad van calendars years ago. It's a real like TikTok thing. To Kim's credit and Kim's credit, the website did say what was in the calendar, like on the page. Like a lot of them don't a couple key, like so you can make the argument that you knew what you were buying. You were still spending $150 now. They have responded and they are issuing refunds. So it's just to knit this thing in the butt. You don't really want to argue that our ad van calendar was actually good. And you needed these bobby pins and was worth $150. $150 is insane. The loose brush traps was crazy to me. Crazy. Should I try wearing a brush trap as a headband? Think of the headache. I think that, yeah. No, obviously this is insane and it's a gross, like genuinely like waste of people's money. And I'm actually, I like that Kim's is just like not even pretending. Just like yeah, here's your money back. Companies make mistakes all the time. There's literally no shame in making mistakes. But I hope that this becomes like sort of a state of the union on ad van calendars. They've gotten insane. They're like $1,000 ad van calendars and it's like you're getting a full price Chanel lipstick. It's a lipstick. Like it's insane. Ad van calendar culture is insane. And they've now become just like sort of a status thing where you just buy them so you can open them on TikTok. They're not like nobody even uses the products. Got it. I'm insane. I'm unfamiliar with all of it. I think at its core. Well, I'm going to get you one then and we'll do a live. I'm not saying. Well, I love that. But also it's like the girl sort of like that's she used to add a calendar like in the way it wasn't meant to be. Who she? The reviewer who made this go viral. It wasn't her handle is wet sloppy swollen does that help? That's her handle. Things are making me say that. Yeah, it was her viral video where she went through the whole thing and it's like that's why is that her you wait? Why is that her image? I'm afraid. It sounds like I'm only fans of the TikTok. TikTok. She got 65 million views on the video. We're kidding wet sloppy. Okay. What's up, sloppy. Sowland. Swollen. S. Oh, swollen. Yeah, you're right. Sorry. Sowland. Sorry. That's what it said at first. Yeah. You're right. What's she about? I don't know what she does. She just makes like talking to camera videos. Oh, no. She. Oh, yeah. Oh. Makes like suggestive. Makes wet sloppy. Suggestive like like breasts. Oh, my gosh. Sloppies. Oh, okay. By the way, the username fits the content. I just want everyone to know. That's really funny. Well, yes, it says 68.3 million views. That's so crazy. And also, she was like saying I was spoiling it for everybody else who got an advent calendar. Now, what did you say that they said on the website? Yeah. She has her content to make, you know, but it's like maybe you wouldn't have known that for 25 days. Well, I'm glad that we know it now because I'm ready for like culture. Let me talk about overconsuming. or is it or whatever, I, I'm talking about advent calendars. They're insane. - I'm talking about advent calendars that have a brush, strap, and a bobby pin. - Even the ones that are considered good, like they give you-- - You get to sugar phenol, you think? - They give you like, 'cause they're all beauty related. They give you like, you know that headbands, like with the elastic ones with the bow that you like get your makeup out of your face. Yeah, you're paying like hundreds of dollars for something they sell on Amazon for $4. And like a mini lip liner. - I love those. - Of course, I can get you one literally at Claire. But it's also the experience. - You are so, like susceptible. - You and Sumarest, I know, but it's like, okay, how many days are in the Advent calendar? - Some people do 12, some people do 25. - But it's like 25 days of joy. You can't put a price on that. - Oh, and like-- - Waking up every day. - Okay, Jackie, let's say you get an Advent calendar. - Okay. - Are you opening it all at once? - No. - Oh, okay. - I'm a real follower. If you're opening it all at once, you're always gonna be disappointed, because it's like a bunch of junk. But one day of the time, it's not about what's in it. And that's the thing, it is a bunch of junk. - It's not even about what's behind the door. - So you're doing mental gymnastics to trick yourself into not thinking it's mental junk? - It's about every day. Ooh, yay, what's in store for me? - Yeah, to get you out of bed. - It fosters positive mental health. - And you have long been an advocate for positive mental health. - Yeah, it's 25 days to look forward to something. - To something. - To having something to live for, which somebody is like, we don't. - We need a 365 Advent calendar. - That's actually a good idea. Like sponsored by BetterHelp. - Like a subscription. - Advent's calendar. And it's like every month, you get an Advent calendar. So it just keeps you going every month. And it would be like, you know, just-- - Book of the month. - It could be a book. It could be like just something for the season. It could be a spice. What if we were giving spices? - Yeah, it's cute, I like how do we do it. - It's kind of an amazing idea. - And it's like all in support of like mental health. - Positive mental health. But on the flip side, it's like, wow, you really need a present every day. - Yeah, we have. - We'll bench. - Yeah, I do. - Spoiled bench? - I don't think that's spoiled. Like a little street. - I think spices would be really exciting. Like maybe some fine salt. - Okay, maybe we'll have like two different versions. - Like Jackson's version. - We need to come up with three advices. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sure salt, I like salt. - Everybody love flaky salt. - Like a Himalayan salt. - Maldon. - Yeah, and then Lowe's Maldon. - It then actually prefers Florida Sal. - Oh, he loves Florida Sal. - Yeah, ever since he signed, he's using it. He like puts it everywhere. It's all over the cookbook too. - I'm sure. - Garnish with a little Florida Sal. - He should start like a salt company. - Advent calendar. - That's cute. - Maybe he could just be a part of ours 'cause we need 365. - Yeah, we do. We need everyone's eyes. - He could source our spices. No, this story was like hilarious, and I actually think Skim's handled it really well. - Yeah, it's like so, in offense. - And now it's just funny. - It is funny. It's not serious. Sorry for your brush drop. - But I do want to say the bobby pins, like I'll be it absurd, we're extremely cute. With like the bubble letter Skim logo. - Oh my way. - Good to like get your hair out of your face when doing your makeup. - Oh, they were those sorts? - Yeah, it's not like a it's not a wire metal bobby pin. Like, what's everyone complaining about? - It's like a beret. - Okay, wear aesthetic Skim's. - Advent calendar. Okay, when you put it and look at that little teddy bear, when you put it all together, yes, it looks like John. - Let me see. - And then someone put it inside a couch. - Yeah, which one? (laughing) - It looks like it belongs. But like, I'm telling you, like the bobby pins are cute. The scrunchies are insane. Like the brush drops I can't get over. - But this Skim's key chain, a bubble letter, so that's cute. I can't see the bob. - But like a key chain is like genuinely garbage. - But it's like a little plaid teddy bear or it could be an ornament. - Oh, I think also like for scale, I think everything is like about the size of a quarter. Yeah. Listen, it's not good. - What's this? - A ponytail. - That's not what she didn't put that ponytail in, that can't be. That person definitely just like. - Throw in an old ponytail. - Yeah, just to like show, it looks like a pilot junk. - That's really funny. - Yeah, it is. Like honestly, just makes you feel good. I've quite literally never purchased an Advent calendar. - I just feel like a bunch are gonna be coming your way. - Oh, no, please don't send. Do not come. - What about Sugar Fina? What if they hear this? Can they send you? - Sugar Fina's still in business. Like they remind me of like Sugar Factory. - And like Crumble. - Yeah, there was like an era where like sweet shops before people got like really into it. - Sugar Fina's definitely still in business. Here's the outfit. Look at it, it's amazing. - You should get it. - For you. Okay. - Wait. - Yeah, it's probably red for you, man. - They buy it, they all look so cute. They all look like gingerbread houses, like townhouses covered in snow, like so cute. - And every day, you'll have a new candy. - Excellent. - I'm gonna get it for you. - No, really. - Don't fail. - I don't want stuff. Like please, don't get me anything except like a Birken. - You're gonna love it. It's on sale, so you'll be excited. The kind of the craziest thing happened to me yesterday, and this is like where, like my life is a celebrity. It's just like social. - You match. - I've got a bunch of boxes. I open up a box and there's literally like a 25 Birken in there. Yeah. - What do you mean? - Now, unfortunately, I don't get to keep the Birken. I'm actually giving it away to a follower. I'm doing like a partnership. I don't want to spoil it yet. But Ben and I will be giving away. We're doing like a live stream. We're giving away like our holiday wish list. And so they were like, what things do you want to give away? So I was just like. - What color was it? - Gold, like the brown, called gold, with silver hardware. - Like mine. - Do you have that back? In a Birken. I know you have a push-up. - In a Birken. - Yeah, in a Birken. Yeah, and Ben also, his wish list was like a Rolex. There's like a bunch of like Tyson Airwraps. And like, literally I just opened this box and it was like a Birken. I forgot that I had, like this, 'cause it's been a long-term partnership. - Yeah. - I forgot that I had like sent this list. And they were like, okay, we're sending it to you. I like wasn't really reading the emails. - That's so exciting. - Yeah, it was just like, and now there's like a Birken in my house. - In your midst. I'll come take it if you're worried. - No, no, no, we can't touch it. That's the thing. It's for someone else. - Well, are you ready for our next story? - Definitely. - This is sort of like an emerging story. A comedian, David Williams. - Okay, this is not an emerging story, 'cause if you're an internet, chronic online, mentally ill person like myself, I've known this for weeks. - David Williams is named as the anonymous celebrity in a sexual misconduct allegation after failed attempt to conceal his identity. So a couple of weeks ago, I'd seen this thing that there's a celebrity who's about to be out - And this weird sexual predator. - It was reported, it's almost like a blind item, but it was being reported on major news outlets. - And they were like anonymous celebrity, and then that is going to be out in sexual allegations, and then they said anonymous celebrity has threatened self-harm if his name is released with the allegation. - Right, and the allegations are sexual misconduct involving minors, correct? - Yeah, so multiple women accusing him of using his status as a best-selling children's book author to groom them for sex, including two who say they were just 15 when they met him. - And so his, I guess, camp is saying, if the press leaks the name of this person, just know this person is suicidal. - Mm-hmm. - And it's like, so what do you do about that? - Oh, you say the name. Like, this is like really, and truly, nobody actually suicidal. Really manipulative people do this. Like if you don't come back to my house, I'm gonna kill myself. Those people are actually not suicidal. People are generally tend to keep that information to themselves, unfortunately. So this is like a classic manipulation tactic. I'm gonna self-harm, do it. - Yeah. - So he was named on Tuesday by the Guardian after failing to secure an injunction to prevent his identification. - Apparently this is also like a widely known secret because when the-- - Well, who the fuck is David Wally? - Well, when the story came out, everyone was like, we know who this is. We know who this is. And then I was like, who is it? Everyone knows it. David Wally, who? Like, genuinely, could not catch me knowing who this person is. Even rural. Now this story is so much bigger than it would have been because of the anime again, threat. - If it was just like random children's author. - In a few weeks ago, we saw David Wally, I'm sexual misconduct allegations. - It would never have been chosen. - Because women went. - Oh, we've never been chosen it. - No, but it's like who has been the anonymous celebrity? - They like made it this almost like gamified mystery. - And now it's David Wally. - And now let's talk about, now I wanna know more about Wally. - What he did. - More about Wally, I'm. - Two of the women, the one who's-- - No, no, sorry. Like who is he as a, what makes him a celebrity to some? - A best-selling children's book author. - What's the book, Taco's Love Dragons? - No, that's Dora's Captors. David Wallyms, well he's an English actor, comedian, writer, and TV personality. - Maybe he's like big in England. - And also like maybe he was a celebrity who then became a children's book author, like sort of like me. - Sort of like you, yeah. - Yeah. He was in Little Britain, come fly with me. He was a judge on Britain's Got Talent. Okay, so he was major famous. - I know we're huge in the UK. Do you guys know him? Sound off in the comments. - Yeah, and then-- - And give like an example of who is he similar to in America? - He began writing children's books in 2008. His books have been translated into 53 languages. - Oh wow. - With a literary style compared to that of Roll Doll. - But you know, Roll Doll was famously problematic as well. - Another monster. - But I guess those books are for more grade school children. - It's Dr. Seuss. - Dr. Seuss. - They all have like problematic. - I know, but like I just can't-- - It doesn't work for me. - The Dr. Seuss allegations, like agreed. - I don't even, I don't know what they are either. I just know like the Roll Doll one. - Santasame. - No, that's Roll Doll. - I think it's all of them. - Those books are good. - If you look at the covers of his books, so there's one called Gangsta Granny, then another billionaire boy, the boy in the dress, the world's worst children, but they all look like middle school books, you know, like Captain Underpants time. - Yeah, like Roll Dolls. - Honestly like Roll Dolls. Okay, so this guy is a big deal. - Big deal. - Okay, like. - It would be like if Simon Cowell was also-- - I was thinking Simon Cowell. - Judy Bloom. - The streets, he's kind of is. - He is the Judy Bloom. It would be like if Simon Cowell was Judy Bloom. - I like, can't talk about Simon Cowell. - You know why? - Of course I know why. And like, unfortunately, like-- - But it has nothing to do with Simon Cowell. - No, no, no. It has to do with like a personal experience that we've had. - With someone who reminds you of Simon Cowell. - Yeah, and we can't share it here, which is like the most annoying thing, but just know like we're actually like, closely connected to Simon Cowell. - Just know we're not. - We are. - One day. - One, yeah, no. It's like a little too close from the event. But guys, is that a reminder in a year to tell you guys why we're close to a Simon Cowell? - But just know if you're like, really feeling, like you want to know, it has nothing to do with Simon Cowell. - Oh, yeah, similar to how Lin-Man Momoranda is not actually the person who owes me money, you know? - Right, like if you ask Simon Cowell, like, what did you do to those girls? He would have no idea who we are. He has nothing to do. Well, he might know who we are, just 'cause he's a purveyor of talent. - And I feel like he's unlike the Golden Globes Committee, like-- - 1,000 percent. - But he's a voter. - Are you ready for our next story? - Mm-hmm. - Robbie Williams is defending Olivia Rodrigo after claims that her new Christmas single sounds like his hit. - So Robbie Williams is being refreshing because Olivia Rodrigo-- - He is being refreshing. - Well, he's the Christmas song called Take Me Home for Christmas and people said it sounds like his song, Candy. And he says he doesn't care. He thinks that such lawsuits are disgusting and complete bullocks. So he said it sounds to me as though she may have accidentally stumbled across a musical echo of mine in one of her new songs. And do you know what? I couldn't care less. I'm not going after her because I think at some point, fucking sanity has to prevail. He even went further, broadly criticizing the rest to accuse pop artists of copying earlier songs. He wrote that there are only so many notes and that all artists quote, all stand on the shoulders of people who came before us. Artists deserve to be protected, but there's a difference between protecting your work and treating every vaguely familiar sequence of notes as a winning lottery ticket. Some of this stuff has become ambulance chasing and I think it's disgusting. - That is true, like every time. And it's always happens like the young pop girls like Stella left emos recently. Every time a young pop girl has like major success, the first thing they accuse her of is plagiarism. And it's a guess Ed Sheeran has explained this quite, you know, and Charlie Puth too was always explaining it. I don't know how song building and song writing works, but I know that you have to string together four chords. And there are literally six chords to choose from. So like, yeah, sometimes a melody will sound sort of similar to a different song and that doesn't make it a copy at all. But people do use it as a, like it means to get press. It means to get money and it means to get attention. Now, there are a couple of like famous examples like in recent history, like stay with me, Sam Smith and Tom Petty won't back down. Now, the song's really do sound similar. - And Ed Sheeran and Marvin Gaye. - And of course, Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. Now, the Olivia Rodrigo. - She got a lefty and Noah Conn. Both Olivia Rodrigo and Stella Lefty credited posthumously after the song was released, credited Noah Conn after people put in other similarities and credited Taylor Swift after Taylor Swift demanded. But Olivia had also said that like, she was really inspired by Cruel Summer or New Year's Day or whatever, like she did sort of like lead people to that. But it happened. - I think there's also a world in which that person's never even heard the other song. - It happens all the time. - Yeah. - Like parallel, like creating almost. And I love the very blunt take of like, yeah, people, sometimes people definitely copy, 1000%. But a lot of the times like these lawsuits are frivolous and just like not even for like justice. They're just for like attention and money and press and whatever. This is a very refreshing take. - I'm also, I feel like I'm really hypersensitive when I hear a song. I can like keep on in town with something else. - That's Ben. He's like, this sounds like Dave Matthews. - I was listening to some song. I don't even know what it was. Maybe Jamie Miller, I love him. That's why I knew Hollywood's son. And like the opening chord was the same chord as the climb. - Mm-hmm. - And like I can really sense these things. - Yeah. - All these examples, even Boston and Stix season, like when I listen to Boston, I don't then get Stix season in my head. - Me neither at all. - And they really came for Stella Lefty with that. And I just think it's a bunch of nonsense. - No, I find a lot of the Stella Lefty rhetoric so annoying. People like really, okay, maybe, and I do think they had a case legally with Noah Conn because she did end up having to make him a songwriter. I don't think she copied that. I think she's probably, and now all these videos came out of her singing his music. She's a huge fan of it. And to be a successful musician, you're supposed to have influences. - Yeah, and that's the style that you like. - Right, so it's possible that maybe she didn't even intentionally copy, but like the type of music she's drawn to is the music that she creates. - And also, Stix season was such a huge song. Everybody listened to it, like played backwards and forwards. If Boston was so similar, we wouldn't like it because we'd be like, I always just go listen to Stix season. But the fact that Boston had as much of an impact as Stix season, like there are two separate songs. Songs rarely go that big. You're saying we did it to the same song twice. - Agreed. I find the cello lefty, like conversation's so annoying. - Well, I just mad because she is the child of a billionaire and she's a Jew. - Yeah, no, and she's like this young girl who's like having unprecedented success in a way that people find like not impressive 'cause it's all happening from TikTok. And she's writing these songs like in her basement and it's like, yeah, her dad's a billionaire who invented Groupon, like seriously? Who cares? And now it's like, it's a label that really has stuck with her. Like, if you open any of the comments of any of her social media, it's all giving, you know, plagiarist accusations. - I've heard the nickname I'm not going to share it. - Stila lefty? - No, not that one. - No, I've just made that a different one. - What, Stila, wait, klepto it's? - No, it's different one. - Let's keep going. Stila, kleptie. - A different one. - Okay, what is it? - Stila, thefty. Have you heard that one? - I have, it sounds familiar, like from the comments. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's a label that's really stuck with her and it's so wrong. It's what never happens, like a burgeoning, it would never happen to sombre. - No. - Like a burgeoning young male artist? - Yeah. - No one would care. - So people have been obsessed with this. So witch hunt, every time someone puts out a song, it sounds like this or that. They do it for Olivia Rodrigo all the time. And I'm so glad someone is saying this and it's the injured party. - It's true. - Because I can say over here, I don't care, but it's not my art. I didn't make it, nobody cares what I have to take. But I'm glad that the injured party is saying, I don't care, this happens, like let people create and shut the fuck up about it. - One motherfuckin thousand percent. - I'm glad we cleared that up. Thank you, Robbie Williams. - Yeah, and Robbie Williams. - Robbie Williams. - Not to be giving me some David Williams. - Robbie Williams is Canada's sweetheart and I feel that like his behavior, I don't really know a lot about him outside from his appearances on the 1989 tour. - I don't know anything about him. - Summer of '69. - Summer of '69. - Right? - Absolutely not. - Yeah. - Robbie. - Yeah, I'm like, I really hope I'm not wrong. - I gotta die. - That's what I'm saying about him. - That's cool, cool, cool. - Robbie Williams. He sings, oh I know, I know Jessica Simpson. He sings Jessica Simpson song. ♪ I'm loving angels instead ♪ I'm sorry, I got a little confused. ♪ And through it all ♪ ♪ He offers me protection ♪ ♪ A lot of love and affection ♪ ♪ Whether I'm right or wrong ♪ ♪ Down the waterfall ♪ - I guess I'm a huge Robbie Williams fan. - I am now. - Yeah. - I am now. - And so which one appeared with Taylor Swift? - He's Robbie Williams from Canada, even. - I must be getting my like, random. - My 80s rock stars confused. - Robbie Williams is from the UK. - Maybe that's what I meant. - Maybe that's what you did mean. - And what about Brian Adams? I think he's American Brian Adams. He's from Canada, the pride of Canada. - And he sings "Summer of '69." - Oh my god. - I don't know. - And he sings "Summer of '69?" Okay. I just feel like they have such regular names. 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When was he married to Katy Perry? - Part of me. - What year? - Yeah. The disgraced British television personality in Hollywood actor was convicted last week on one count of rape and three counts of sexual assault, but acquitted onto other accounts of rape and an attempt in indecent assault. - Well, they were only married for a year, October 2010. - Oh, so what? - To December 2011. - So after this? - So that's when they were married. So they probably dated. - I was reading this story for a long time, like I forgot that that's the former Mr. Katy Perry. - Oh, that's literary all he is to me. - Now he's like a podcaster. - No, to me, he is always the main character from the part of me documentary who, like, literally were in her life. Like, what happens to the podcast now? It's done. - I think he has bigger fish to fry. - Any podcast from prison? - No, unless you have recorded phone calls, you know, like you'll talk to your producer from the pay phone, I doubt the audio quality is sufficient. But I guess that's like an interesting way to make money. - For sure. - Russell Brown. - I saw the video of the judge, like, laying down the sentencing, and you know, this all happened in the UK, and you know, in the UK, like the judges wear wigs. - Yeah. - I know this is like not the point of the story. - It was hard for you. - To me, it's so not real. And what's funny is that our sister Olivia, when we were all, like, in middle school and high school, she got to go on this, like, major team tour. Olivia wanted to be a lawyer growing up. And so she got to go on this, like, program to London, where, like, they got to, like, clerk in these courts and, like, live in the dorm of, like, a fancy college. It was, like, this amazing experience that Olivia went on that we still talking about to this day. And I remember her coming home and just talking about the wigs, like, it's so distracting. And I know it's, like, rooted in so much history that, like, should be very beautiful and inspiring, but, like, be so for real. - No, I know. And that is, Shackley, and it's weird to see it in such a contemporary concept, like, - Yeah. - Regarding Russell Brand. - We're literally, like, filming this on a camera that didn't exist when this wig was born. - And I imagine there's no good reason for the wigs right now in present day. - No, I think the UK just really, like, believe in honoring tradition and culture. - If the wigs are ever done away with, I think it will be really sad. - Oh, you think? - Yeah, because that would just, like, mean, - Just the idea of, like, having to put on the wig for work, and you're not like an actor or a drag wig, like, what? I don't know, it's just a craze enemy. - No, it is really craze, and I understand, mentioning it and being taken aback, but I just think it's such a part of their, like, history. - I know, I know. - If it ever does away with, it just means they're doing away with their own history, which is just, you know, a sad change of the time. - And I don't think the wig is, like, meant to look real. A lot of times, like, someone's wearing a wig and you don't even know. - But it's not meant to look real. - That's what I'm saying, it's like so cos- - It's too me. - It's cos-playing George Washington. - Literally. And honestly, like, I find it distracting. I do. - I think it's fair. - And like, I'm on trial in the UK, and like, you're telling me I'm going to jail, wearing a wig, like, I'm just gonna giggle. - Bye wig. - I'm not gonna take it seriously. - I'm gonna say bye wig. - Yeah. - I understand. I understand. - I'm looking forward to Russell Brand being in prison. I would love to hear from Katie Perry, although it's, of course, not her. - I know. - I'm just curious. - But like, what does she think about this? - And he said such like a weird arc in his career. Cause now he's like the sort of like, yeah, renegade podcaster slash rapist. But there was a time where like, he was a guaranteed movie star. Like, any movie he was in, get him to the Greek. - We're getting serious. - Like, he was gonna be a hit. - Yeah. - And then, of course, the Katie Perry air like, it's just been like, he's had it lived a very long life. Like, every decade brings something new. And I guess this decade is prison. - Yeah, for 10 years and six months, I'll have to do seven served. And then I guess like, he could get out, but still that's some real prison time. - That is crazy. - We're crazy. - Yes, by Wig. - Now, our fifth and final story. - No, our fifth and final story is gonna be another story and then we'll do a daddy issue. She's recap, 'cause I just, for some reason the Russell Brand thing wasn't here, but it's like a huge news. - Oh, sure. - Fifth and final super quick, super fun. Pink announces her 2027 Las Vegas sphere residency. - Okay. - Because idea has been bubbling up for years. - Pink is taking on the sphere. - Now, my trip to Vegas is happening. - Someone in Las Vegas said, how do we get Jackie and Claudia to come to Las Vegas? - Where are pink states? I know they go on sale in November. - Off September 29th and it will conclude on October 30th. - Okay, so I'm not even close to John Mayer. - No. But out of your raw postpartum window, yeah, and maybe like maybe I will have dropped a few pounds Maybe given my history probably not, but maybe Maybe I'll be pregnant again We're going obviously. Yeah, except I don't know how to say this that your motion sickness You're gonna have to take drama mean and where you're really fined and you'll be fine. This fear looks like a nightmare for me I never ending rollercoaster now I think some people do it more nightmarishly than others like you would die at like a grateful dead I think the backstreet boys just like do it in a normal way I think pink with all of her flips and maybe she like makes people sick. I'm not built for the sphere I know we have to at least try by the way you have to bring a drama me I will try but like if I walk out mid show you have to accept that and it's no disrespect to pink. No never I know we're going for her we're going. Yeah. This is amazing. It's amazing I saw it and I said to Jackie Meadley. I was so excited. Yeah, and I've never weirdly seen pink live. Have you? No, I always like mean to go she doesn't she tours constantly. It's not for lack of like options. I just never have made it Yeah, and I heard it's incredible. I was thinking last night. I want to go to more concerts every time I'm like listening to music in the car. I'm like I've got to get my ass to more concerts because I think the last Concert I went to was rastole flats in Florida like right when I was pregnant with Max. That's a really long time ago and it just filled up my soul. I know you know Yeah, it's cup filling and I actually think we should have gone to Oh, I was talking to Margo about it Bruno Mars in Miami Mm-hmm. I think I sort of needed that it would have been so happy. Yeah, it was in like September and it was like around Yom Kippur And so we also miss the Jonas Brothers, but like more concerts. It's like if I am a battery pack Concerts are what charge you amongst other things, but concerts are a major source of energy for me And this is going to be nothing to you, but I actually can't go to a Jonas Brothers concert unless I'm chosen as the backwards girl So where he scares into your eyes, but do you know everywhere? Of course I do because I've watched so I don't even know if I've ever listened to the song on my own I've watched so many videos of him singing to like random girls. Oh What you did to me now I'm barely breathed and I'm Replying everywhere. I said oh, I have to be the backwards girl. Okay, so I'm not going unless someone can confirm that I'm the backwards girl Even though they always give it to someone who's like, you know in the front barricade with a with a sign that they made and they waited in line for 12 hours And I'm obviously not doing that, but I just can't go. It'll be too hard to like watch him sing to someone else honestly Now can we dive in now what is time for daddy issues by Sophia Franklin recap will end the show after that So if you're reading the booking you don't want spoilers turn off the show now and you can resume when you're done Now as you can see I've annotated heavily Highlighted and posted I felt like such like a girl with school supplies, but I was loving it. I didn't really highlight anything from her Childhood but I will say her childhood really informs the girl that she is when she arrives in New York. I feel That it's actually really important that she shared that because yeah Some of the stories that she told on call her daddy were almost not believable like it was such a crazy life And it's like why are you working on Morgan Stanley like nothing like kind of made no sense But when you hear about her background No, it makes perfect sense and it also makes sense as to why she was so susceptible to being like a vulnerable to someone like Alex Who comes from like a totally different background is very like strong-minded knows what she wants very ambitious very Like cutthroat almost it makes sense why she was like sort of a perfect victim for Alex Yeah, but also I think what really comes through in her childhood and who she was on call her daddy is like she's just so confident Like in her relationships and her friendships like she doesn't second-guess herself. She's not awkward I think it takes a very certain type of person one. It seems like she charms everyone like even all these guys later on like Everybody wants to be her boyfriend. She's like, nah, nah, I think she just is very magnetic. I think she has Confidence and then also so she has these stories and like these experiences But then to go on the internet and share all of these things about yourself shamelessly shamelessly and like some of the stories are funny They might be embarrassing for someone else But like a lot of it is very like raw and embarrassing like a her a poor reflection on her and her decision-making Yes, and I feel like in this book She's so honest about so many embarrassing things like all of these like nights where she Fucked up or got too drunk or did drugs like he always very open about drug use about like Bad decisions and sex in fidelity. I was shocked like including like just these stories at her lowest moment said I don't even germane to the story, but just earn her your your trust Mm-hmm like I like even when she shared that when she went out in the nightclub and she moved to New York City And she think she was like date rape drug. Yeah, she woke up summer. She had no idea where she was She had zero dollar zero money and she took a cab and ran out and she ran out before because she didn't have a way to pay for it Like she didn't need to tell us that yeah, and so I feel like all of those things like really earn her trust So that when she's telling the other parts of the story that hinge on everybody's word Dave said Alex said Sophia said She's earned my trust. It's so true I also feel like she reminds me a little bit of not today But a few months ago Taylor Frankie Paul in the sense that she cannot tell a lie and it would actually be Hoover to tell a lie Yes, and you're absolutely right that like she really earns the trust of the reader because some of the shit she shares About her her home life. It's you couldn't what a more that information out of me and So much of the book is like especially if you read Dave's book like a lot of the things that she says sort of conflict with what Dave has said Historically about the call her daddy skin and what Alex has said call her daddy and so Yeah, the lack of lying. I don't feel that she lies at all in this book meaning there And then I listen to and by the way she's a person who truly has nothing to lose like yeah And a person like that doesn't need to lie like Alex Cooper has a lot to lose like the version that she Experienced in her own mind like kind of needs to be the truth because if it's not it comes for everything she's built Yeah, so these are just to sort of like wait now like this wayward podcaster who just like the only thing she has is her story her story And I was listening to Dave's audio book this morning in the chapter on call her daddy to hear how Dave Experienced it's I'm like Dave doesn't lie either He doesn't that's true. That's true and all of the things that he said that were in conflict with Sophia's versions were all I heard I think I believe not I suit man wrote me every single email suit man, you know, so yes I actually think that neither one of them are lying in their book and there's a world in which both are truthful They've just been fed different information by Alex by the common denominator So what Sophia says in this book is that pretty much the entire relationship from start to end from getting signed to bar stool to being kicked off the show Alex is sort of the liaison she never she meets with Dave once by herself and that's because Alex wouldn't wait for her to get off of work So Alex had her own meeting first like the whole time in the beginning of call her daddy Sophia's really playing catch up because Alex does not have a job and Sophia does and she's working at Morgan Stanley Those are like grueling finance hours. She can't get off work to go and record She doesn't wear makeup at work. She has to go and get ready and then and she's also being sexually harassed at work by this freak So she doesn't want to get all dressed up because this guy will see her right so she's running She's getting ready in the bathroom Alex is sitting there ready with her Outline printed out she notes Alex only prints out one outline She doesn't give one to Sophia because she's really like running the show and she's the captain She is the captain and Sophia is just constantly playing catch up because she has this other job and she needs this other job And the pod and also podcasting and like the YouTube channel that Alex was doing prior Like Sophia was always like Alex's side character Alex's channel And so she just asked Sophia to like do it with her and to the degree that Sophia does it Is not like what it was meant to be at the start? Yeah, so it's entirely possible that the entire breakdown of the Podcast of the negotiation process is due to this is what Sophia says and yes It does when you hear what Dave says also it does sort of align with the truth that Alex was the entire time keeping Sophia and barstool Completely separate telling Sophia things that barstool was saying that weren't true and telling barstool things that Sophia was Acting and doing that were not true. There's like this incident at the Christmas the Christmas party Which I feel like is her example of like the entire issue with Alex is that they go to the barstool Christmas party They're like so nervous because like they're kind of hated at the office. They're having a lot of success and like they don't do what all the other people do It's like come to work for 12 hours. They don't they have deaths. They've never even sat there like they come They record their show and they leave and everyone kind of hates them So they're nervous and like of course they get there and Alex is just like so confident like social butterfly That like she gets whisked away and whatever and Sophia finds herself by herself And she ends up getting completely blacked out doing lines of coke with all these employees And doesn't remember anything and she wakes up in her apartment and she wakes up in the apartment and Alex is there so mad at her Buming She's like what happened what happened what happened what I miss and she's like Everyone is pissed to you. You were so embarrassing. You were unbelievably inappropriate Erica the CEO and Dave want to fire you. Yep, and I literally beg them to keep you on apparently Sophia says that Alex said that Sophia was like raging at her like so nasty like dark passing. Yeah, and I think Sophia corroborated that she has that dark side her sometimes so she believed her And then in Dave's book he said that spider the office manager and this is in Sophia's book too spider took her home Sophia agrees with that and she was like shocked that Alex let spider like put her in bed And so Dave said that when spider's trying to get Sophia in the uber she's like kicking him and biting him so But their stories lineup. Yeah, so this becomes this like really like their first big fight and Alex like eventually forgives her Um, but it's the next day Alex said that she met with Dave and Erica and they want to so fire Sophia after the Christmas party But so Alex convinced them not to and like now basically just being like you're indebted to me Ever one of the company you made us look bad, but like I got you and I saved you and like it's fine But know your place and I'm your hero and Sophia said well I want to apologize to Dave and Erica and Alex said no don't like there. It's fine. It's fine It's whatever and then Sophia realizes the next time she sees Erica and Dave She's trying to be like and I'm sorry for the Christmas party and they don't care They the it's not like they've been harboring any hatred. They could care less what happened at the Christmas party Dave's story is that the day after the Christmas party, when they do also give Alex a bonus, Alex asked them to fire Sophia. - And then-- - And that's so cute. - And that's what Mouji corroborated. So like months later, when Sophia realizes that Alex has been this like duplicitous friend and sold her down the river, she calls Milfunter, who's like a character throughout the book, basically writing the whole show, Alex's friend from high school, who like she's like, kind of like has this weird relationship with. And she, Alex eventually fired Mouji, so he like hates Alex. And so when Sophia had nobody to turn to, she turned to this random guy and it's like, what the hell? He was like, yeah, she's legit evil, she's duplicitous and she tried to get you fired. And Sophia's like, what? He was like, yeah, after the Christmas party, she went to David and Erica and said, Sophia was out of control last night, you should fire her, or like give me more money for putting up with her. So that's when she ends up getting the bonus, the bonus that we all know about. So she, this random night, which meant nothing to literally nobody, it's bar stool, who gives a fuck. Like, I'm sure the party was wild. - Right. - Like, Sophia was the least of their problems, just like a funny story. Alex used it as an opportunity to put Sophia down, get herself more money, and obscure even further Sophia's relationship of like what it's like at bar stool. When in reality, nobody cared. And Alex just used it as an opportunity to further herself. - And also try and get Sophia fired. Try to steal Sophia. - Try to steal Sophia for the first time. - For the first time. And it does sort of like lay this proof that this wasn't just an opportunity that Alex Cooper took. You know, the negotiations are going really poorly. And, you know, she just wants to make work. So she takes it and is like, sorry Sophia, you're on your own. 'Cause that is sort of how it was told to us at the time. Alex being like, the show is, you know, off the air and I had this opportunity and Sophia didn't want it. So I took it. - Yeah, and she kept, they kept saying she kept moving the goal post she would get what she wanted and she would keep asking for more. Also, Dave said in his book that after the Christmas party that he knew then the truth of color daddy, which is at the girls hated each other. And so when the negotiations happen, he's able to use this information. It's good for them to be at war. So, Sophia had no idea that their friendship was anything less than a sisterhood. - In a sisterhood. - A sisterhood, the way she describes like, they did everything together, they ate together, they talked together, they were like one, they worked together like. So the narrative that they weren't actually friends they hated each other behind the scenes. - It's news. - It's something that Alex was seeding to other people. But Sophia had no clue that that was even a possibility. - Yeah, and I think sort of the big revelation from the book is that at the time of the $500,000 offer from barstool on the rooftop meeting, Sophia told Alex, so if he was against staying at barstool, she thought that they could get so much more money. She didn't even care about the IP. She's like, they agreed, actually I highlighted this, that they had agreed with one another to, if they didn't get the IP, to name the show-- - The Founder. - Founding fathers. - The Founders. - Yeah. They had a plan, like she's actually a funny name. - It is, and like they just, so the story that was told was that like, Sophia wouldn't take this barstool deal. And she was definitely the one who was pushing negotiating harder, but eventually when the $500,000 offer came, she told Alex, let's just get what we need on a couple of points, but fine, we could take it. She gave in, she approved. So the story that was being told, she was greedy, she did, she actually agreed to take it. It was only when she agreed to take it, that Alex completely goes to her. They never spoke again, got a new lawyer, and she found out from her own lawyer that not only was Alex on her own, Alex was making more money the whole time and Alex is taking the show. - Yeah. It's shocking. Of course, what happens next, as we all know, and remember, was like the cancellation of Sophia and Sue Man. And the Sue Man stuff is so interesting too. Actually here, yes, thank you so much. They're in planning mode for their renegotiations. And of course, Sophia has just recently started dating this very high-powered guy. He's like an executive at HBO. He's really smart. He's a good or a brawn. He's like very in the industry. He introduces them to an agent like he, they were just these wayward girls. They didn't have an agent like-- - And I think anybody in the industry who would have met them-- - Would have done the same thing. - And heard what they were making. I think everybody, when they heard the numbers, were shocked to hear you have the biggest podcast in the country and you are making $100,000 a year. That's shocking and the term use was industry standard, not even close to industry standard. So anyway, anyone who sees that and can help is gonna realize like this is highway robbery and you guys should get more of what you're earned. - So when they get this offer, the 500,000, they have a meeting. They're like, you know, Alex makes a document called Two Deals, Two Girls, and this is quote from the book. This time, Alex is a doc titled Two Deals, Two Girls and suggests I invite Peter over to talk through all the points. So Mia is alleging that Peter's involvement, which was like this big issue for everyone, is actually Alex's idea. Then later on-- - And everyone, these girls would be smart to want Peter involved. - Of course, these are two girls with literally no experience in media, in negotiating, in New York. They're both new to New York. This is an older, more like what I never understood to hate for a suit man getting involved. If you had a smart aspect from what you wanted to watch you be an idiot, it's absurd. But the idea that Alex was actually the one who got him involved and then villainized him is insane. - And Sophia also like an anecdote was saying that, you know, she would be on the phone and Superman would be in the room and he would say, I don't wanna be so involved in this. - So he texted her actually, like after a bunch of the conversation said, I wanna step away, I know you guys will figure it out. So he tried to recuse himself and still ended up becoming the villain. And the part that really pisses me off, 'cause I said yesterday that Dave actually comes off really good in this book, but like I actually can't move on. I can't get past the suit man stuff. In the book, when we find out that first of all, their relationship is deteriorating. He's becoming this villain. They're making merch about him, information about his him is family doxing, all that. And then he gets fired. And he gets fired on their way to Omen Geary. They're taking just like this trip because they need to get out, they're driving. And he loses his job. And this is a person who had like very humble beginnings ended up with this huge job as an executive at HBO. And for literally doing nothing, he gets fired and the company doesn't want any part of this. Like they lay him off. He's solving. Like really, it bothered me so much at the time and it continues to bother me. And I'm like, I find, I don't find really, I don't find what anything Dave to have done to be like that bad in this scenario. He had this pre-existing relationship with Alex. He trusted Alex more, he knew Alex better and he just went with Alex. - He also saw Alex as a very hard worker and as the person who edits the episodes. And that's always been the narrative is like Alex creates the show, she edits the show. They don't have their own editor. But Sophia tells us, right, yes, Alex is sitting there click clacking on the computer. But it's the two of them staying up all night making every single cut. And Sophia really describes every cut. So we know that she knows what she's talking about. - She wasn't uninvolved in the process at all. While Alex was like manually doing it. Sophia was like, we should try and move this part to that. It was a collaborative process. It was not at all what it was made out to seem like. And the thing that the suit man thing like it really bugs me so much. And I feel like Alex is just like according to this version of events. Like Alex is lying to everyone. So you can't really be mad at Dave for making these decisions. Because Alex's version of events is like suit man is this evil, greedy, corporate suit. And Dave hates a suit. - Yeah. I don't know. It's just like the suit man she bothered me so much and their relationship continues to deteriorate. He loved her so much. Like I could not believe. First of all, she had like a six month affair with some other guy that she like meant on Instagram. Hoking up with him and he finds out. And he forgives her and he wants to get back together. And then she's like, no. And breaks up with him and he's sobbing in her apartment. Like, oh, the suit man chapter. Like seriously upset me so deeply. I know he's like moved on and happily married. And he's completely off social media. I tried to find his Instagram last night. And I hope that he's healed. But like that was like a particularly heartbreaking part of the story because I think he's one of the people who like lost the most and was literally not involved. - No. - Just tried to help his girlfriend who was getting robbed. - And so when I think of like Alex Cooper's like villain victims, like obviously Sophia Sharpe. Like I really think of suit man. Like it really upset me. There was a lot. I just like highlighted random passages 'cause like there was just like juice dripping from every. - Yeah, there was. - Like there's a girl KC, K-A-Y-C-E. - At Barstool. - At Barstool who like told Alex and Sophia she was fucking Dave. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, like and it was just like. - Yeah, Sophia just like. - She didn't give a fuck you guys. Like Sophia did not protect one person. Actually I highlighted this. They take this retreat. So when they're okay. I thought this was the most interesting part of the story 'cause it's a part that was never told. And also the renegotiation things was a month's long thing. It wasn't just like in April when they stopped releasing episodes that that's when everything started. So months before they knew they were going to enter renegotiation, try and like disrupt their contract to get more money. They took a trip, the two of them, like a founder's retreat that Peter had suggested. It's like a Harvard Business School practice where they go through this huge pamphlet answer. All of these really uncomfortable questions about being founders having a company together. Like all the things that I would have thought they never did and they just sort of were flying by the seat of their-- - Yes, no they were kind of prepared. - Like we're prepared. - Yeah. - And that they would, like that their interests were aligned that they were committed to doing this together and that they're gonna be together every step of the way. And so Sophia really had that like promise from Alex. - That they were on the same page. - It makes the betrayal even worse. And then they also had this safe word that they were like if things hit the fan and I just want you to know like I'm here for you, like let's reset, let's come back together. Like we have a safe word and it's cramped in. And when everything goes down and she's literally thrown away the rule book of this founder's retreat. And it seems like there's no way forward. Sophia says it has triple text to her and said I'm gonna send you one more text cramped in. And Alex never responds. - They never spoke again. - Now on this retreat, it's very interesting because that's why I said yesterday that's sort of written like a psychological thriller because like there's so many parts of Alex that she doesn't share with Sophia. So if she has like this open book coming my mom, she never meets Alex's family. She speaks to the brother on the phone one time. Like Alex just keeps like all of the parts of herself like really to herself. And Sophia realizes she's never shared literally anything with me, anything deep, anything traumatic, anything about her family except on this founder's retreat which actually thought like it's just like mean that Sophia shared it. But like at this point like the gloves are off. But like I guess on this founder's retreat when they're doing this like you know this questionnaire opening up, Alex. for the first time literally ever shares like one thing that happened to her in her childhood that was like deeply traumatic. In a rare moment of vulnerability, she tells me about her dad losing his job as a hockey TV producer during the recession. He had to ask the neighbors to get work. She tells me about how embarrassing and hard it was for her dad mowing lawns and doing other handyman jobs in passing, mentioning that he could lose his temper, but he doesn't elaborate, but she doesn't elaborate. That just looks something like so deeply personal. - I agree, but I have a feeling that Alex has since shared this in her documentary or something. - If anyone watched her documentary or listened to every episode, I feel like, 'cause she wouldn't just take this random swipe, or maybe she didn't use the only thing. But that's definitely something that Alex would have shared. She shares a lot about her life. She did her documentary about her childhood and why wouldn't she have shared that then? I feel like that's already public information if that makes you feel better. - It just felt like the gloves were off completely. There's been a long standing rumor about Alex and Logan Paul. I had heard it on random podcasts, and Sophia pretty much confirmed it. This is when they're coming up with a lie. - That's also known, that she gave him a blowjob. - A blowjob, but I thought it was just always, it's never been confirmed. It's always just been a rumor. And she says, Logan Paul, who Alex swears to the listener, she didn't hook up with, even though she combines with me, that she did give him a blowjob. - That's public information. I don't know where I was at. - I heard it from the streets. - I heard it too. - Yeah. - I'm just like, when I quickly go through all my highlights to make sure that I can keep you safe. - I thought there were other things about Alex that were like, like the fact that she leaked the photo of her and Noah's Cinderguard, but that was also like, that's so, yeah of course. No, so much of this is like, you know, if anybody wrote a book about what you did in your 20s in New York, like it's especially in pursuit of fame in like sort of a sexy way, it's embarrassing. There's a lot of embarrassing. - Yeah, and they're like, they're cleat chasers, they're social climbers, and they're unabashed about it. - And they're pretty much like a high class like, escorts. Like they get flown out to like, be with guys. Like, and it's, Sophie is very like unabashed in her retelling of this. But for Alex, who is like, worked so tirelessly to become like girl boss Kamala Harris, like, this is shocking stuff. - No, but the thing is, it's all in those early episodes. It's not new information, but hearing it again, six years later when like Alex has become Alex that she is, and then just knowing that like, this is how she was operating and like, scheming through the world, it's really crazy to hear it again in 2026. - The crazy part is that Alex sort of influences Sophia to see a psychiatrist that she recommends. And the psychiatrist ends up putting her on Naltrexone, which is like one of those addiction, 'cause they think that Sophia has like an addiction problem. And she takes it really seriously and she does all that. But this is coming off the heels of Sophia, like getting drunk and missing the recording with Milfunter. So Alex does the Milfunter episode by herself because Sophia's like strong out and unable to attend. And when they make up and she's like, I'm so sorry, I'll go get the help and she goes to the therapist. She's like, Alex, you I'm gonna help you edit the Mugi episode 'cause Alex ended up doing it by herself. - Quote, she tells me she wants to scrap the episode because it didn't work. But from the way she texted me 30 minutes later, I know we're good. But it's like, that was the first time Alex went out on her own and like it was bad. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Also, she like talks about, you know, coming home and like Alex is like, add her all down, you know, having edited for, or being out through her YouTube video power. So it's like just stuff like that. - Yeah, of course, like, you know. - Embarrassing. - Yeah. - Rough. And then the unwell part of it all, the actual use of unwell. You want to talk post-cancelation, the dust is settled. Well, I also thought what was so interesting is Alex's first few episodes back that Sofia talks about. So first, the funeral, you know, how Sofia's like, a greedy lazy bitch and she also taught, I remember that YouTube video, the CU fuckers, when they do, and she laid out everything like so coherently, like point for point how everything went down and like, peace closed really. And Sofia is so aware of the way that Alex is doing it, that it's so compelling. And there's no way to respond to this. And then the next episode is the funeral and it's just trashing Sofia again. - Miley. - And then the next episode is her mother. And then her mother is saying, like, I'm so proud of the way that you handle things. Like, at the time, it's a nice thing for her mother to say about the proud of the way you threw your friend in front of a moving bus. - No, it's insane. - What? And then the next episode is Jackie Shimmel, who's one of Sofia's favorite influential podcasters, Alex didn't even know. It reminds me, I know you never fucking watched the Italian job, but it reminds me of the Italian job. Listen to this. At the end of the Italian job, they steal all the money back and all of the, or no, they have all, there's like five of them. They all have dreams of what they're gonna do with the money. And one member of the group actually steals all the money from them. And he goes off and he spends the money in all the ways that the other people were planning to spend their money 'cause he had no original ideas himself of how to spend his own money. And that's what that feels like. - When the Spotify deals come through, First of all, Sofia ledges that Barcel owned 50% of the IP, that was like the deal that Alex and Dave did on the rooftop. But she finds out from her podcast agent that the podcast with her catalog of work, I think it was like 80 episodes, get sold to Spotify for $60 million. And I thought this was really poignant. Why is Alex a savvy business woman? When she sells for $60 million, and I'm a greedy, ungrateful whore, when I say that we're worth more than $500,000 that Barcel was offering. Like that's the, therein lies the issue. - Period. - That's it. - Yeah. - And then one more thing I highlighted was Unwell. So she finds out about Unwell being the company name shortly after, and she obviously can't believe it. And she says, you're literally, you have all the resources in the world, like hire an agency, like what? Like this is so obvious. And the fact that there was murmurs of people online being like, oh, this is Sofia's word. - And I had heard, but again, I just always felt like Unwell is an adjective. Like anyone can be unwell. It's not like Pargy, a word we made up. - Correct, correct. - But it's not until she sees the drink in CVS, that like it really like sort of, that I think is like her rock bottom. - Yeah, because I think she's really tuned out Alex online. She probably, she doesn't see anything. She doesn't hear anything, but to see like the physical manifestation of the theft in front of her face with vomit in her hair when she has neurovirus. - Yes. - And she's with her mom, who she says is more traumatized by all of this than Sofia is. - I mean, of course. - Do you imagine seeing your child going through this? - No. - That to her was just unacceptable. - And then the last thing I highlighted is like the last text message Sofia ever sent, Alex. That you've lied, this is after finding out that she stole the show, that she was getting a salary bump that she tried to get her fired. That you've lied relentlessly for 14 months about a side deal you did behind my back with bar stool. To me and others, including our attorney, is exactly the type of behavior that has cost you your best friend, one after the other after the over the years. You will probably be too defensive to hear this, but I'm gonna say it anyways, I add more value through my creativity than all your editing hours combined. My value is more than 50%. Your skills are menial, minor, intangible. Your humor is written by others and you betray, by others you betray like your supposed best friend, Mooji. My humor is my own. To say that you do more than me is a fucking joke, and that you are so insecure about your talent, that you wanna measure yourself in editing hours and social media posts would be laughable if I didn't find it so pathetic. I don't care about the money, I care about the lying, and that's where you and I differ. And they never spoke again. - Yeah. And I think Sophia does a really good job in the book proving her value to the show. - Absolutely. - Joke by Joke's story, by story, how she lived it, how she packaged it, and she shares, you know, Alex's contribution, which is definitely like the marketing and the editing, and but that Alex's persona is someone who was written by Mooji, because she also talks about in the difference in Alex's tone sometimes. It's sometimes she would like go into the Marshal Office and act in a way she was like, "Who are you?" - Yeah. - Like grabbing. - Right, you know? - Babbing, yeah. - That was probably the most embarrassing part of the book. - And so that Alex's like half of Call Her Daddy was like really scripted by Mooji, that Joke's were actually lifted from Black Twitter, by Mooji. - Luckluck. - Like luckluck. - Luckluck is not only not Alex's, it's not even Mooji's. - I think what's so interesting and so telling, whether you believe this account or not, is that since the dissolution of that call her daddy, has there been one word or one phrase from the new Call Her Daddy that has been on a shirt, that has been the name of a something, that has been a joke or nothing. Everything is the old. - Yeah. - Therein lies the issue. - Yeah, it's a modern tragedy. The book, seriously, broke my heart at every step. She seems to be healed, obviously she's married now. It's like a really fancy financier who's half European. But it's so, what happened was so wrong. And the way, I can't even read people's takes on it now, because it's like, well, no one was saying that at the time. - Yeah, and we were all alive, right? It's not like Britney Spears in 2003, it's like I was a toddler so I didn't know that she was being mistreated. We were all alive and aware. - Yeah, and like I feel pretty good, be all about like my take, 'cause I remember we took like a lot of heat for not being like, yes girl, so lay mama, see you fuckers Friday. Like, I just remember being like, no, low key, if I would have done the exact same thing, like I would have hired an agent, I would have left the IP behind. - And maybe that's why Alex Cooper is where she is, but like I would have left the IP behind. - You Alex Cooper's where she is, because she took what was so fias. - By the way, Alex needed the IP, so fia to not. And so fia and Alex is a unit, didn't need it either. - I, but Alex on her solo, yeah. - We'll continue to talk about. - We'll continue to discuss, 'cause I have so many more things to say, but like that's the big, Jess. - There you go. - Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast. We'll see you tomorrow. - See you fuckers tomorrow. - See you fuckers Friday. [BLANK_AUDIO]