Melvin Gregg & Jasper Dolphin: Jay-Z vs Drake, The True Meaning of "Woke" and Fatherhood

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Pigeons don't really make sense to me, you know. You ain't never said baby pigeon at all. You just see like a dog pigeon? They're not real. They're not real. They make James Bond black. The whole script is going to be about him being black. He's going to be getting pulled over about white and white. Welcome to the shop. I'm Travis Taco Bennett. I am Steelo Brum and we are the new hosts of the shop. Yeah, it was good for us, right? That's great. Yeah, clap, hey, hey. Let's do it. Let's do it. And you guys know what we're here? You know, you guys complain that we listen. Our community and our whole team is very important to us and what you guys say is very important to us. You guys said that the last hosts of the shop were horrible and you guys wanted to get them out of here. Yeah. You guys said LaRon wasn't great. LaRon wasn't great. He said mad wasn't. They said mad was the worst one. No, they said, what was the third guy's name? And I was pretty distressed. That was crazy. It was PR. Just because you guys didn't remember. But even along with all these things, there's never going to be a barber here. Understand that, people at home. It's okay. What was the guy's name's tweet? I think his name was like OVO Gerald. OVO Gerald. Totally fine. But Gerald, understand there is going to be no barber here because I'm not going to get a haircut in front of you. You don't know how vulnerable I feel when I get a haircut. It's a distraction. Well, not even that, bro. Just standing around the whole time, trying to talk to him and us. It was a little weird. Yeah, valid. I also don't get razor line-ups because I got sensitive skin. Okay. We need to hear that. You did. I was very important. I want to talk about something I went through recently. I started watching something that I think is really important to watch. Okay. It's kind of like the sopranos, but it's just like Basin L.A. It's called the O.C. This is new? It's old. They came out 2004, but every scene in it is perfect. Every time somebody gets mad about something, they do the most dramatic turns I've ever seen. There's a moment where this guy meets a girl, he's smoking the cigarette and he's like. She's like her new rounder. He's like, "Yeah. My mom hates me." He turns his whole life down. Very calm for you. I've never seen it. Don't do that. No, me. Have you ever seen an SNL sketch of Californians? Is it like that? Mom. No, it's not that. Not just if you were looking no. No, no, it's not that, bro. It's more like Valley. It's more like. The Valley. Yeah, like where are you? Okay. You just dropped my shit out there. No. I've never seen O.C. I don't watch shows with all white people normally. I think that's all. You've never seen friends? No, Helen. Sign felt? I've seen like an episode. The Simpson? The Simpson's are. they've been drawn white. That's different. I could do that. Family guy? Family guy's cool. Again, you're bringing the anime to white. So it was cool. A fantasy factor? I was there. I became. And Big Black was there. You know what I mean? I get it. Yeah, you feel me. All white cat. Now I need to figure out what's all white cat. Well, the O.C. came on what channel? C.W., right? Yeah. Yeah, that used to be U.P.N. I remember. Underpaid Negroes. That was a whole different thing. It used to be a black network. It was. U.P.N. Homeboys out of space. They had one on one. They had a whole bunch of shit. And they transitioned to Felicity. Dawson Creek. Felicity, bro. Oh, see. They did. Dawson's Creek. You watched all of them. Look at you like Dan, those guys. No, I did it. No, I did it. No. Classic. No, I did it. Did you die? Did you? I loved Dawson. Yeah, I did. Today, we're excited to have two guests. Two friends of, I think, both of us. Yeah, yeah. One is Melvin Gregg, an amazing actor. And the other one is Jasper, one of my best friends, who is an amazing at everything. He could do backflips. I think that's the best thing to do. Now, he got to come back here and do a backflip. No, I wouldn't. Okay, I can't do that. I felt like he was. Why would you pitch that, though? Bring it to the backflip. It was random. It was my best friend. He's a homie. And the other one? It's a. Most amazing. Right, we have a good spot. You see, oh, which one is which? Secret handshakes. Secret handshakes. I'll say it. That's what's life. I want to start this by saying telling a story about me and Melvin. I have too many stories with this guy. But Melvin, when time I was on audition, I got to the audition. I do my audition. I leave the audition as I walk out of the room. Melvin walks in. And I like him like. I just like pause for a second. I'm already out through my turn around and I say, "Hey, everybody, understand. Guys, Melvin came. The role is not for anybody else. You guys can all go home." And I think that was like maybe the worst thing I ever did. I think he'll dream on the way out, which was crazy. No, I think it's different than what it sounds. It sounds like he's bigging me up. And I'm like, "Oh, my God." But it's really just putting pressure on me. For sure. Show me how charismatic he is. And I'm just like, they got high expectations. I come in and be in mid. And it's like, mission accomplished. Wait a minute. You won, man. Even though they offered it to Damsity, told me. They can talk his head. Oh, wait. Nothing like that. I ain't that worse than going on audition. And then it gives it to a white guy or something. Yeah. They give it to white guys hilarious. There are two projects for sure you booked over me. What do you? Yeah. They're white people. You didn't get paid? Yeah, you did. You was in a movie. You told all you people. I'm tripping. You people, you people. Oh, you're right. I was saying. I was saying. So this thing was in there? Yeah. It was in the movie. You people that, uh, it was something else. Um, Dave. Dave, see? Yeah, I'll take that. It was you were amazing. Thank you, babe. I'll take that for sure. But you got, I mean, look at you brother. Hey, man. All the rest of the way. Yeah. Stop. Stop. And Jasper and me worked on lawyer squad together. And we went on tour together. I mean, we started touring when we were babies. I was 16, 17, 17. I was about like 19, 20 or something. Something like that. My, my memory doesn't really work high. I used to. But yeah. We did tour. We had a TV show together. And a lot of fun. Jackass, which I think is insane. Yeah. I snuck into the jackass. Jackass cast. Jackass cast. Jackass cast. - That's fast. - That's fast. - I saw something in the movie, too. It was really good. - Oh, I haven't seen it yet. - You haven't seen it yet? - No, I've seen the-- - That's crazy. Now I feel like I'll stun. - I see the end, I see it, honestly. - You were ready. - Thank you, I'll try my best. - I see it. - I love that. - There's been a bunch of roles that weren't meant for me. Like, I don't know what character is my archetype anymore. I think that's another thing I've lost. It's like, who am I supposed to be for them? - I think castin is the most important thing. I feel like if you miss cast an amazing actor, he's gonna be bad. - Valley. Okay, actor, and the perfect role for him, and he can be amazing. I think castin is so important. - You think a really good actor can be bad in a-- - Yeah, you can add something. I think a lot of people confuse acting with, like, being something completely different than who you are. - Yeah. - So they want people to completely transform, but that's not really what acting is, in a sense, you know what I mean? So I feel like if you get a great actor, now I feel like, but if you could put a great actor in something that's completely opposite of what he is, he's not gonna be able to serve as that role as good as someone who's closer to who that can't do is. - I feel like I've seen, like, really good actors are great actors in, like, bad roles, and they've still been like, oh, you tried to save this movie. But I don't ever blame you on the actor. I blame you on, like, the script and, like, the movie. I'm not just not a good movie. Just the actor is still good in this bad movie. - It goes both ways. I'm not like a scendophile. I think it sucks when I get into a conversation with somebody and they're a scendophile and they're like, "Well, do you know about this?" I'm like, "Brother, I like Shrek." Like, I'm like, "I'm kind of like Shrek and Jacket." I'm like, "I really don't need to know." I like, "What's a citizen cane?" Yeah, he's like, "You gotta watch Shrek and Cain." I start watching, I was like, "This is the most boring. " Who told you that? Yeah, exactly. You know? Um, but. Okay. Hey, don't think I ever told you that. That's a citizen cane, it's what you gotta see. I did, I did. The bucks. But can you, I did a can-your-bearish show. And, um. Black, black, AF. And it kept talking about citizen cane. And a lot of other movies that I didn't see and the joke was about me not seeing the movies. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I'm not even that actor. I don't know what none of this should be." Yeah, yeah. I'm bad with movies. There's a lot of movies I haven't seen. People be talking about the conversations. I just, like, I seen it. I'm like, "Oh, this sound like a good movie." Or, "I like that part, but. " I'm really late to movies. I'm really late to movies there, that often. And I seem to watch Dexter over and over again for some reason. I don't know why. It's like, "Yes." TV show, TV show, Dexter. I don't know why. That's why. How do y'all feel about, um, when a black person is cast if for a role that was historically white? Does that bother y'all? Like, if they had a black Superman. Or, or, or, or, it's kind of. It was Elba saying that actually James Bond. He said that he doesn't think any black actor should play James Bond. I got my own take on this, but yeah, I won't hit with Y'all figure. Um, hmm. I don't have a care for James Bond. Make 'em black, whatever. But, uh, I see what you're saying, though, like. 'Cause this character is a white guy. Same thing where how they made Black Spider-Man and the whites didn't really like that. - Yeah. - I'm throwing him down, yes. He's doing great. He's doing great, but it's a lot of hate on it. Like, why? I think, I think the difference is. Malas Morales is a Peter Parker. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - A different person that got bit by a spider. - Right. I feel like that spider ain't just bite one person like I'm done. - Yeah. - One around just biting hell in it. - Spider. - Just saying, he's been saying Spider. - I don't know why no one ever touched that name. I don't know, you saying this right now is like a revelation? - Yeah. - Oh, my God. - You know what they're talking about? - The whole spider version. Think I think I bit. - I'm just going to be going there, 'cause James Bond, like, he's a prettiest white guy. Like, it is his name. - Is he? - I say, right? - I say, "Gill" with different name. - Who cares if he's like James Bond and Jimmy Brown? - What do you mean? - The whole story's about a guy named James Bond. - Yeah. - That's like, given a Superman different name, it's like, his name is Clark Kent. It's like, "Kenny Smith." - You're like, "Oh, Superman is weird first off. He's not even white." - That's another thing. - Right. - He alien cosplaying a white man on Earth. - See, that's a fact. - There's a lot of. - What else would you cosplay though? - I'm down here. - I was just like, I'm an alien. - I'm an alien, right? - What you going to do? - I'll play like a nigga, just be arrested the first week of play. - Superman and Jill, nigga. - Bad idea. - You can break out easily. - For me, my whole thing is, I'm grateful. - I feel like the roles are, like, when people get so mad about, like, a black person playing, this white character, so to speak, I always feel like it's a fucking fictional character. - Yeah. - It's a fake person. They drew that way anyway. They made this person up. Like, I don't have a problem with you making up. That a black person is now playing it. Like, what difference does it make? I'm just saying, like, James Bond being British are British black people. I didn't like Idris, though, saying, like, "Oh, I don't think no black person should get it." I thought the nigga tried throwing a bomb on the room before he walked out. - He was definitely. - He was like, "I'll make sure Demson's niggas don't get it out." [ Laughter ] But in my head, it's like, "Hey, let them get the role. Let them fight for it." - That's the hardest thing for me. - Yeah, especially the cosy mission. - Yeah. - When it's not a real person, like, it shouldn't matter. Because especially if it's, like, if the creator want to change it up, let them do what he wants. It's his goddamn thing, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, I agree. - I mean, white people do it with actual people. - All the time. - John Wayne played Genghis Khan. - Yeah, that's. - And the play Cleopatra. - Yeah. - Like, they not white people. - With the Othello. - Yeah. - It's been the last samurai. - With the Mexican. - Yeah. - The Mexican. - Right. - The Mexican. - Right. - The Mexican. - The Mexican. - Gilling all in Prince of Persia. - Well, I know this guy with-- - The Gilling Persia? - What? -. Gilling all in Prince of Persia. - I'm learning all this right now. - Yeah, Prince of Persia. - Yeah, bro. - It's a whole bunch of that. But I feel like they do it with actual historical people. It's the whitewashing of history, right? - Yeah. - I'll take a real black person and make them white versus. then fighting and arguing over if a fake white person. should be black. That's fucking crazy. - Who played Jesus Christ in the Passion of Christ? - Right. - Naked, not a nigga. I'd say that much. - They're not having their lives. - No hair like wool. - That's the moment to be black, right? - A hundred percent. - Oh, they did do black Jesus with sleep. - But then they made it into jokes. - There's no problem. - It's like a walk away. - They did. - A walk away with a robot. - It was fun, yeah. - This show, this show. - Bro. - It's important, I think, like, now. I don't know if it's as important, but it's like. Bio-picks need to be played by people of that thing. - Bio-picks for sure. - Oh, you know what? - I mean, a white person played me in 20 years. - Oh, you mean even like that. - You know it's played. - I mean, obviously Jennifer Lopez is a great job. But that was a huge thing at the time from what I. I mean, I wasn't alive, but I remember hearing that. That was like a big issue that she was not Mexican. - Yeah, yeah, it was. - I think that was different. - When he was. - I don't really notice specifics. between, like, Hispanic and Latino. and the differences and. I think she looked apart, you know what I mean? - Yeah, it's like. - I mean, at the time, it was like '96, they weren't trying hard. - Oh, okay. - Why don't you try hard on it? - I have a question. - Pull it up. - Mexican is a nationality, and it says. Because if we go on nationality, then it's a situation where Brits playing Americans, because we have different nationalities, although we derive from the same people. - I agree with that. I think people. - Which I say, I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with that. But I feel like it's in the same. Well, if they did a movie about Obama, and it hadn't, you're making play it. - Would that be kind of weird? - That's fine. They just sort of "Rit Play" by Marley. - You're right, you're right. - Yeah, that's it. - We need more black. - Oh, my God, you're right. He also played Obama. Kingsley Benadilla just played Obama. - That's the issue. - They played Obama movie? Yeah, I don't know what happened with it, but yeah, that was. He went out for it, that's what he meant. We need more black people playing British roles, but we need it right there. Is that getting black Americans playing British roles? - What, British roles out here? - Top boy or something? I don't know. Most of the shows don't make it over any way. Damn. Why do you want to hear that shit? - Quick this. - I don't mean me, but. I cannot watch shows with a heavy accent. I was watching "Who's That?" The "Black Mirror" show, and I happened to be on mushrooms. Okay. You watched like, "Oh, no, like an hour in." And I'm just like sitting in the room. I'm like, "Why the fuck are you watching this show with no English in it?" I mean, I can't do it. I'm like, "That's the original English." I'm like, "It's the original English." The mushrooms. The mushrooms. The words a little bit. And I was like, "This is not English at all." And it was like, "Bro, this is a heavy accent. I had a lock in." I was like, "Oh shit. I am somewhere else right now." Well, then you got to think, like. I think like, "Damson and Snowfall," or "Eedress in the Wire," were amazing. They were amazing. - They were amazing. - Because it was just. - Yeah. - Amazing. But that's like, giving the role to the. That's casting. Going to the best person. Jennifer Lopez was great in Selena too. I wonder who she was up against. Well, that's my point. I don't know. I guess we'll never know who everybody is. That's what we need to know is who lost the role. I didn't know who didn't get it, so I could be mad, or I could be happy. Well, I just said he didn't want them to make the James Bond role woke. He said he didn't want to make it too woke. First of all, I only hear black people say woke. First of all, like that. We did. It took it away from us. It's a very white wing. Like, time for this. Weaponized our tombs to switch it up. Woke now all of a sudden. Well, that's because we used that for the rest of this. You know what I'm saying? They were like, we was like, yeah. They were like, shit. He saw a male. Woke was there for sure. They were like, oh, they don't woke. They were very specific with their terminologies. Because they were doing it with culture now. Like, if they-- Cultures. They're like, oh, that's culture. Like, if black people are doing something, it's like, I've seen it. It's culture. I don't know. Yeah, I'm just saying. I know he is British. But I'm more saying like, yeah, saying that don't make the role woke. It just says that we don't-- Yeah, he's just saying don't give it to a black person. No, no, no. It'd be devil's advocate. I don't know what his intentions were. But I know how things could be taken out of context. He may mean that-- He may mean that. If they make James Bond black, the whole script is going to be about him being black. He going to be getting pulled over by white actors. [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] They don't just make-- See, black and it be black, then. They start inputting all of this different-- I don't want to say woke, but addressing him being black in a white space to excessively. Did you guys watch the Aladdin movie? They're like the real one. They had Will Smith as a genie. You mean like Will Smith as a genie? He was, of course, a genie, but they made it. Woo! That's what we can get. They threw in like rap songs in there. A little bit like beat change. Imagine James Bond comes out and the song has a little bit more drums in it than making more niggas. Well, he is black. Will Smith as a rapper too, so how do we utilize his rapping? [LAUGHTER] He won the first prize. So that's Grammy, yeah, respectfully. He's an actor now. At what point do you consider somebody to move-- like Joe Biden is a podcast? I think you're now a rapper. I think he's multi-hyphenate. And if you look at a history of Will, a lot of times his promotion of the film would be to make a song that goes with the film and perform that song. You think of men in black. Wow, wow. Wow, wow. I mean, that was his thing. So they're like, we're going to tap back into that. I didn't think that was a gamble. And you said that it bugged me up. I'm like, he really think that? I mean, he dropped it out. Well, not too long. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Does he have a connection with a star? - Aw, that's more. - Now he's actually-- - Oh, man. - So us two over here, we are not fathers. We have no children that we know of. You have kids, you know? - No, no, no. - That we know of is always crazy. - Yeah, obviously. - Oh, I know. (coughing) - The tacos went around with no dad. (laughing) - You have two? - Yeah. - Two boys? - Yeah. - And you have one boy. - Yeah. - I texted you a few years ago on Father's Day. - Yeah. - I don't know if I, someone asked my phone, I'll find it later. - I think I texted you just like, your son is not your biological kid. You raise him like your own. And so I said, bro, like the way that you are a father, the way that you are there is like important and amazing. So I like, I text all my homies on Father's Day. I feel like that's super important to do. - Yeah. - To acknowledge that, because I feel like the idea of a black father being absent is not correct always. - Not really at all, like that, like that, yeah. But people, of course, should have pushed us on that, pushed that on us. But for me, and taking care of him, it's like, it's that my dad again was a neighborhood dad. So it's like, why would I watch him treat all the kids in the neighborhood the same? And he, like, would be there for all of them that way. So for me, it's more about any little black child or any child in general that I'm around in that aspect. I'm gonna try to put something into them, like make sure that they can leave with some help. But for him, it's easy though, really good kid. And I thought you were a great dad too. I see you online, you don't really like promoted as being like a great dad versus you just showing us you in your life and not just seeing naturally that your kids love you in a way. - It is not performed. - Representing the great way. - I appreciate it. It's such a big part of my life. If I'm going to post content, chances are, it's going to be involved. Or else it's going to be nothing for me to post 'cause that's pretty much my day to day. - Yeah. - It is my day to day. Most of the time out of the day is for them, so. - That's beautiful. - What do you guys, what advice do you give to non-fathers? Like us? Like, I don't, I'm not ready yet. I know I'll be having a kid probably in the next like two years. - Yeah. - But I am definitely scared. Like were you guys ready or were you, I mean, I guess I, you were, you met him when he was two. Damn, were you ready or were you just like? - I don't think you, you have already, 'cause you don't really know what you're getting to. And you got to kind of acclimate to it as it happens. And it changes so much. Like what you deal with with a newborn is different in the Tyler versus like me. Compared to also like when they started growing up. So you learn as you go. But I think, I think the biggest difference is not so much. Having a child is just like you prioritize in your life differently. You know what I mean, like you don't have time or just kind of go out and chill and kick it. And you probably don't want to anymore. 'Cause you feel like you got to commit so much time to this child and you raise it. You create a human and you're that human's leader. - Yeah. - You have to pay it on for the world. So like anytime off, it's time that you could be committing to a point and to this kid that you love more than anything. Like you don't know what love, like you don't understand love until you really are kids. Like it's different levels of love. But like a kid is like a, it's like a face first love with no, no walls of defense. Anything else is like, I'm gonna love it with a little bit. But I got, I got a walls up because this person can betray me. They can lie to me. They can let me down. It's just human nature to guard yourself. But with a kid, it's none of that. It's just like all that face first. I love you more than anything. And it's rewarding for sure. - That's beautiful. - Yeah. - It really is, man. - Like he's being serious. - No, I'm just serious. I'm like, it sounded like it's not like that. Because it's beautiful, man. (laughing) - I'm like, I'm excited about it. I think because of how I am with my father and like the older I get, the more we became friends. And it's still obviously a father-son relationship, but there is moments where I can have conversations with him that I wouldn't have been able to as a younger adult. And now I'm like, I don't know, I want to give my parents' green kids. I feel like that's another thing I think about is like having that. And like, I know this nigga's dad, hella well. Like I've known him for 20 years almost. Our father's no, I don't know how to explain it. Like he works with his dad now. - So you work with his bitches? - Yeah, it's crazy. - Yeah. I got him a job. (laughing) - I don't know if you feel good though. - Yeah, for sure. And I'm saying, he's a handful to work with. He's a crazy man. Love him to death. He calls my phone too many times a day. But other than that, it's pretty cool working with him. Seeing him in a different situation than he grew up in 'cause my dad is like, grew up heavy into a gang banging, like that whole culture and everything. So seeing him around like white crazy people and just all that shit is just always funny. 'Cause when he first, they like, bring your dad like to shoot with us. And I was like, I don't know if he ready for this. - Yeah. - This might be a little bit too extreme. - My jackass, like, - It is. - But he fit in a pretty well. - Actually, that's pretty crazy. - He flew with us to Hawaii one time where to go film Looters Squad. That's his first time on a plane. - Oh shit. - I will say, that was, we had some terrible turbulence. - Oh really? - But in the fear I had, I couldn't be fearful because I'm watching someone else go through it, bro. He was like, I swear he choked somebody out. Like, he was like holding a seat from the bed like this, like tearing up, crying. - Yeah, he was crying. - Oh, yeah, please. - You don't call me crying. He's just saying, "Wariki, you know what I'm trying?" - He's crying, it's crazy. - But it's like, I'm very worried. - My eyes got wet, bro. This is not like, like, looks tough. So you're like, "Are you all right?" - Yeah, sweating and crying. - Ball, they're just like. - Yeah, he's. - Ball. - Cry tough, he is. - I don't know if they have balls. - He cries a lot. - He's a what? - By Tuffy, yes, he cries a lot. I seen him cry like maybe a couple of times. I don't see that he shouldn't cry for. - That's beautiful. - He was crying. - He cried because the pigeon was too close to him. - Oh, okay. - He's very, very afraid of birds. - Birds are kind of scary now. - What bird are you? Birds are kind of, so pigeons don't really make sense to me, you know? - You ain't never said bait pigeon at all. You just see, like, adult pigeons. They're not real. - They're not real. - They're not real. - They're not real. - I've been talking about this since. - They're not real. - Wow, they're pigeon nests. - Roll up furbs. - See about a teenage pigeon here. - He's the top of us. - The guys are all angry as the way they communicate. The way that they see the world is through like a different lens. Like, they have some magnetic field. I'm gonna get the conspiracy side. They have like some magnetic field. They can see like a different wavelength than we could see. - That's right. - That's why they used to tribal pigeons because they could remember what they are. And I could send a pigeon to your crib with a message. - Why you think you send him back? (laughing) - And you're gonna be on the baseball. (laughing) - And when someone like you don't, when you die, the pigeon you got a. - Up in the jungle. - Up in the jungle is doing this. Yeah, jungle. - Those kind of fucked up pigeons, though. They tried to domesticate them and give them jobs and they just tripped them jobs away from them now. Hopefully, I'll be walking around a little lost this year. - I'm saying they used to have three jobs. - I'm about to hurt them. - How about they were liberating? - They reduced them. - You're right. - Imagine somebody said that about black people. We said it. - They did. - We gave them a job back as they weren't doing the round. No one knows what to do with it, time. - Negative pigeons are liberated now. (laughing) - They never looked free. - They put their work in, and they just, you know, home and through life. Let the pigeons be, man. - We all think. (laughing) - You know what pigeon could fly out for like two days straight? - God damn it. - Who told you that? - Or I seen the fact, my number's probably all. (laughing) - Bro, it's like time. - There's a lot. - There's a lot of birds in it, a lot of other birds. - How would you even test them? - A lot of other birds. - Yeah, no. - So I'm all like a sky-treat, man. - Keep throwing the fuck out of the pigeon, then. (laughing) - Fuck, it's a good man. - I'll be mad at you. I'll be pulling you in 36 hours. - How would you piss if I was a pigeon? 'Cause it's like, you were pigeon, but like, your ancestors are fucking dinosaurs. Like, this is why I came in. And I'm just like, "Ooh!" (laughing) I don't know. It's kind of messed up. - It is messed up. - Pigeons are pigeons. I have to ask you guys another question. What do you guys feel about comebacks? Like, for instance, people retire like JZ's retired a bunch of times and came back. Serena Williams now is coming back to do doubles after she's retired. - She's a great example. She can still do it. She's one of her first doubles, Matt. - Oh, they won. - She won the first doubles, Matt. She says she might come back and do singles too. - I think she can win. - Brave. 'Cause it's rooting for her. - For sure it's a young man or young woman gang for sure. - Agreed. - It's just the body. - Lebron's out there. - Oh yeah, but he's different. That's the alien. - Serena's not different? - So, I don't watch tennis, so I don't even know, honestly. - Okay. - 'Cause he never stopped playing. I'm saying-- - Yeah, that's true. - That's true. - And my boy is tall. - I know this is going to sound crazy, but Lebron is never birthed a child, I think that's also important. - Okay, different. - All right, all our women followed up. - You heard it in your first. - All 14 of y'all. (all laughing) - How old is she? - She ain't as old as Lebron. - She probably 41, right? - No. - I'd be older than Lebron. - Bro, she was crit walking at the end of Lebron. - She didn't get crit walking. - She was in a dope crit walk. - She was in a seawalk, actually. - Oh no. - That was a seawalk, was she? (all laughing) - There's a track start. - I was in Felix. - I was in Felix. - She said she's doing it for her kids. I personally disagree. I disagree, I don't know her kids. - Why would you want them to see you like this? - Well, no, no, no. - What I mean by that is I think some people like the light and they like the feeling of being that person. So like, Jay wants a retire, but man does he love walking on stage and hearing that roar from a crowd? - Jay hasn't retired for it. I mean, he for four or four was-- - He retired a thousand. - He retired after I think '04. - Look at Mike! - Mike came back to play for the Wizards for what? He had money. I think being like a poet and being an elite athlete is different. - Very good. - Not a timeline on your intellect. You just got a different perspective. So it's something else I want to say. But like on your body, that's different. You see Mike Tyson fight Jake Paul? Like, sometimes you just got to-- - Exactly. - Through or not, like, come on. - Well, then I see not gonna be the Mike that he was. - He shouldn't be fighting Jake Paul. He shouldn't be fighting, my brother's Mike Tyson age. He's gonna be fighting-- - Oh, that would've been good. - Well, I'm sure. - Let's sort it out. Now, we're back to racing. - You got racing 50-year-olds. - I ain't racing. - 25. - Most elite, not even a Jake Paul. - By the way, if she can win, if she wins, she wins. - It makes her elite, she's elite. But then I think in the art form it's a little different because you got somebody like a Bob Dylan who's performing at 85 years old. I wouldn't do it, see Ron Heisley at 80 years old perform. - Love that. - I don't know if I'll see Jay's there at 80. - Not, I don't know. - She's just hating all rap. - Exactly. - No, hating the content. - 'Cause rap, you know what I mean. - Oh, hating him, asking the question. - What does no such thing as an 80 year old rapper, 'cause rap ain't drop it till the 80s. - But I feel like we, I think our community has like, I don't wanna say, stop that, but like, when you think about Rockin' Roll stars, like he said, Bob Dylan and Bruce Spring. The news don't have to retire, right? Why does Jay-Z have to retire? - No, it doesn't do it. - Well, I'm just saying, it's art, right? Like you just said, it never should be a time on your art history, right? If you're an artist, you should be able to create forever until you die. - I will say with rap, I will say, there is a part of rap that is a young man's sport. And what I mean by that is, like, it's a young, most of the topics are young man things. So, for instance, Jay-Z now being married with three kids, I'm not gonna, he's gonna, big pimps is not gonna feel the same. - Well, he not talking to you. - You got the host? - I think he's talking to-- - Pimpin' no more. And I think every artist goes through different chapters, what he's talking about, different things, and they evolve. Through that, I don't know what Bob Dylan be singing about, but I'm sure-- - I don't think any of us know about that. - Gross. - I saw the music, it was folk music. It was folk music that had him singing that was like classical folk music. And it's just like cover music. And then he was like, I wanna do my own shit. And he saw it drop in his own, so I'm sure that, like, people that wanted to hear the-- Matter of fact, it was like not boy kind, but it was rioting at these festivals because he didn't wanna sing the old folk shit no more. So it's like, as an artist, you gotta evolve. And you can't always cater to that same demo. I feel like your audience should grow with you. So, all those kids don't wanna listen to Jay-Z no more. There's still generations of niggas like us that grew up on Jay-Z and still wanna listen to it. But also, I don't might not believe Big Pimpin' or more is nostalgic toward time where I did believe-- - 100%. - It's an unfair thing they do with rappers and saying, like, oh, you two owe the rap or like, I don't know, I feel like, for instance, like, Jay-Z is not gonna go out there and talk about stuff he did no more. He's gonna rap about stuff that's going on with his life. And that should be cool with all rappers. But you'll get somebody like, I don't even know, like, some random YouTube rapper that's something 80 years old is still talking about I'm on the block selling rocks. - He might be though. - He might be. - And it is. - It is. - It's acting. - It's acting. - I expected. - He gotta grow up. - You can't be doing stuff like that. He got kids. They gonna go on YouTube and be like, oh, shit, my dad talking about rocks again on YouTube. - And then, at this side, like, me even married with kids, I don't wanna hear this shit that Drake's still talking about. - I agree. - Like, bro, you been doing the same thing for 20 years? - You gotta-- - He was doing it. So, it's just like, different people. - You gotta evolve. - Different people. - Yeah. - That's what we're really talking about. - I feel like Drake, when Bullwreston is here, he 40, it makes it worse. It's constantly disconnect. It's like the same as, like, they'll say athletes or rappers you're getting the game. And they'll say, oh, sometimes that person never grows up. They end up in that same age. They first got on it, right? So, you'll meet somebody who's like, oh, he might be 30 now. But, if he got on, he was 19. He's still talking about the shit from his 19. 'Cause it worked for him. It's like, for me, you have to be eight. Like you said, you have to be able to evolve. Jay-Z's demographic, and I think he's always in a really good job at evolving. Throughout his career, I think, even when we talked about this, but him talking about the change clothes, when we were kids, we made us all putting on button-ups and blazers and shit like-- - Right, I had a buzz. - I was sitting there. - It's what I'm saying, third grade, it was that. So, he's always trying to show us what's next. So, I'm okay with him continuing to do music, 'cause he's always evolved right here in front of us. So, I don't expect to see 10-year-olds or 15-year-olds at a Jay-Z concert. I expect to see my peers. - Exactly. - Dude, I'm hanging around. Let's go to the concert together. - I feel that. I'll see you there. - Yeah, I'll see you there. - I also think there's a double standard we put on ourselves. Like, and I'm guilty of it. I saw a meme or a post, and it was talking about how people say Jim Jones need to grow up, and he still think why in and he 50, right? But then, if you see like an old agey guy or old white guy dressed just like Jim Jones, he's like, oh, no. - He flies, yeah. - He flies, yeah. - But we put the expectations on ourselves. - I think, but that's because it's like, it just, it's out of, it's like not, I don't explain it. It's a word for it, I can't think of it. But I think, I guess the irony in it, it's like, somebody dressed like that, that is white or old or whatever. It's like, oh, it's kind of silly. It's like, oh, look at that, I'm dressed like a young man. - They don't call him silly, though. - They call him fly, he call him like he said. - Yeah, somebody's like, I want to grow up. Couple's goals, it's like a old couple wearing chrome hearts. But like, for me, I'm like, this is a whole mad thing, right? - It's one of the black men that put on a suit and tie when you're in a certain age, but the white guy can still go and wear his Mohawk and punk rock stuff, - Yeah. - It's like, no, you got to put a suit on black man, you older now. It's like, why am I always going to wear my white t-shirt? - Actually, we got to, we brought to, yeah, we need to bring it in. - Yeah, we need to bring it in. - We need to bring it in, bring it in, bring it in, bring it in. - It's black music month. - If you had to, like, play somebody a black song to be like, this is what black music is, like, what song would you play, though? - Hmm, I got my answer. - You got answer? - So much music out there, that's from black people. - Yeah, yeah. - Is there such thing as black music, too? Or is it like, how do you feel about that term? - Most definitely, 'cause there's definitely white music and I don't listen to it. There's definitely, I listen to the one white music, I'm just being crazy, but. (laughing) - Just check it out. - I'm pretty sure, like, when somebody makes music, they're like, oh, I'm not making this song for black people. But some are, but not everybody, like, sometimes it's just music and it's just, which you grew up and we all kind of grew up with the same stuff. So you vibe for it and you feel for it and you understand it. And you just, the negative, you know, you was there. - Yeah. - Jamaica Funk is, I would think. - Yeah, yeah. - Like, I feel like most people go, like, Earth Wind and Fire, like, see, you wonder, but I think that song to me is, like, rhythmically, like, it's just like black. That shit's happiest hill. I've only heard that in good moments. - I don't even know if I know Jamaica Funk off of, I ain't Jamaican either, so I'm, oh. - You know the song? He knows the song, I know, you know. - I might know it probably, not by the night. - You know what it's singing to you? - Yeah, I love it. (laughing) - You don't know the words. ♪ Jamaica Funk, that's one of these ♪ - When you move like this, it feels like it's black. (laughing) - Now, he's a bow rider, you know what I mean? - Bro, I'm not just thinking that silent. I'm not even like, singing it like this. ♪ Jamaica ♪ - You gotta move, bro. - I feel like Stevie Wonder. - What song? - As. - Or, okay, that. - As, as. As, yeah, yeah. I feel like that's, like, probably like to me. I think soul in general, like, you can feel it. Like, you feel it in the music. But I also think that black music is all music. - That's, that's my take there. - I'm, I'm giving somebody to 50 cent first album. And I'm like, this is it right here. - Do you like it? - No. - Yeah, okay. - Patiently waiting. - That's a great album. - Is it you about being me? - Me, me, me. - Great album. I still be slapping it. - Me, me. - 50 cent loud out the windows in the car. - Yeah. - I will say, 50 cent, listen to 50 cents like a self-help book. - It is. - As an adult. I'm being dead ass here. Bro, that nigga will get you in the gym. You'll be buying all sorts of shit. You might get a gun. (laughing) - What you got for us? - I was struggling trying to figure it out. I don't know if it's the name, but before I let you, before I let go. - Me too. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's a great vibe. - Oh. - Yeah. - That's great. - I have a 5-8. - It's a black ass. - Me. - That guitar comes in? - Yeah. Yeah, but I'm heard a song that you thought was black music and it wasn't. - Yeah, color me bad. - Huh? - Color me bad. - Color me bad. - Uh, what is it, uh, is it, uh, what is it? What's that song then, then, then, then, then, then. And then everything is out to you. - Now first heard that baby come back. Baby, I'm back. - That's what I saw. - The size of the thing was black though. It was playing on a whole bunch of songs. - They got your black ass. - Hey, dude. - The scenes don't disturb the groove. Is that, is that, not, I feel like it, it sounds like a black song, but it might not be black people. - Don't disturb the groove. - ♪ Don't disturb the groove ♪ - I like that we all got vocals when it's black. (laughing) - The preview of the sentence, the preview of the sentence. - See you. - Um, if, okay, if somebody lay, I think, I think if I needed to show somebody a song in general, there's a black, artists on it, but I wouldn't consider it black music. - Okay. - If an alien came to Earth and was like, "Play me a song." - Yeah. - I played in, like, "Lose Yourself to Dance" by "Dathfunger" for "Rail" or something. - I'd say, "Lose Yourself." - That's all right. - That's all right. - Okay. - No, I'll just play it for "Alan." - Hey, well, because you think you're like, "Dathfung." - Okay. - You're like, "You gon' like this." - They were helmets, they were helmets. - I have a theory with "Dathfunger" is like, they crossed every ethnicity and language because of the robot. There was no attachment to a human. I know that sound like a dough. - Oh, I don't know who "Dathfunger" is. - Yeah. - At all? Didn't make it over here, brother. - As far as, he knows he's stronger. - He knows Dukaiye's stronger, for sure. - Now, he'll know, uh. ♪ Around the world, around ♪ - That's a big song. - That is a big song. - Bro, I grew up outside of white coaching 'til I was like an adult. Like, none of the TV shows. - I did as well. - None of the movies. - I don't know about it. - Shake hand. I just grew up, isolated. - Where's he from? - I agree. - Postman Virginia. Like, my school was pretty much segregated. - So you were Chris Brown with Chris Brown left Virginia? - Nah, bro, Chris Brown from somewhere different. Chris Brown. - Yeah. - I'm already Chris Brown. Chris Brown's different. He from "Tap a Handic." That's like a small, I don't know where "Tap a Handic" is. - But you're telling me when Chris Brown was popping, you wasn't running around with a handle like. - Popping, yeah. - No, when Chris was popping, Chris was popping. When Chris came out like, when he was 16, so I'm like 17 at the time, so I won't really meet. - Yeah, you ain't gonna be the valet. - Like, I had a car when I was playing poppin'. - Okay. - Oh, he was out here. He was out here poppin'. - All right, poppin'. - What's your favorite black soundtrack? I feel like they used to have a whole bunch of soundtracks back in the day they used to have like, like Eddie Professor. - Yeah, rush hour. - Yeah, rush hour. - I don't know, I ain't ever listen to this. - All right. - What to me was, I guess, Black Panther. - Or Lion King. - Yeah, Black Panther. - That was a great time. - Lion King. Lion King, what's your name about Lion King? - I saw it. - Great. - My sister's song that she wrote. I liked him with the new. - How the new rule. - I liked him with the original Lion King. - Yeah, I heard it. - Nice plug, nice plug, I liked that original. - This one is a black album for a music, but I really enjoyed this song on the deep blue sea soundtrack by L.O. Koozie, brother. - Yes, L.O. Koozie song when he got the fucking fin on his head in the video. - Deepest Blue is. - Oh, he really, really good. - You know why? I love that song. - And he got a hair show with a head on him. - Hey, he was wilding. - He got a hair show with that head on him. (laughing) - Bro, I remember that show he had in the house. - And the house was gold. One time Debbie Allen was knocking on his door, he came up with a towel on it with his head. (laughing) She was like, "You shower with that thing, huh?" - Well, I love that, I found the Rivera. - I love this guy. - I'm gonna tell you guys this 'cause I really think it's a cool idea. I was trying to make a movie about L.O. Koozie breaking, like, somebody broke into his house and he put them in a coma. - I see, yeah, I remember this. - I wanted to write a movie about like, trying to break into his house and getting in it and then having to escape his house. (laughing) - I know, it sounds like a joke, bro. I've been like, trying to write this shit for like four months. - It's a real idea, by the way. - And the only way to defeat him is like a video game. You guys hit him on a spot. - Stop it here. - And it's got a knocking towel in your order to get to it. (laughing) - It's a slow spot. - One of us is gonna watch that. - It's a slow spot. - One of us is gonna play that nigga in public and he's in a press us. I feel like I'm gonna have to deal with that. - I'm on your side, bro. - He will beat your ass, too. - He's still buff. He gonna put you in the fucking choke hole. He got a big head, his head. - He do. - That's a good movie idea. Don't stop. - Man. - Actually, maybe don't put it in the episode. We'll talk about it in the edit. I'll put it in my fucking idea. - Is he gonna play in it? - Yeah. - I wanna help him. - Hell, yeah. - I'm gonna play, you know what, I'm gonna have Vin Diesel play "Ello Kuja" actually. - We're going to play. - Put that on there. - Put that on there. - Right there. - I did it in black. - Yeah, he is. - Yeah, that was crazy. - His younger photo, you can reach him. - Yeah, he is. - By the way, Vin Diesel has a song. - Vin Diesel does have a song. - Oh, yeah. - A song? - Yeah, the song. - That's a candy car. - Love is that song. - Oh my God. - Bro, on tour, we see you all the time. That's a crazy thing. - What do you guys think, like, in a career like that, what do you think you want out of it? Like, what do you care about? What is your intention, I guess, now? 'Cause you came from Vine, which I think-- - Yeah. - You studied in college, you studied marketing? - Yeah. - Then you did Vine, then you started acting. - I was acting first, I started acting in college. I moved out here to act. I was doing like student films and independent films and commercials and stuff. But I wasn't getting a break and then I saw Vine. I was like, oh, I could build an audience. This might help me get opportunities. So I did Vine for that reason. And then once I built an audience, I went back to acting. But I don't know not to sound cliche, man, but I really don't care how the world seen me when I'm done. I kind of just want to do the stuff that fulfilled me. I care what my kids like, think about me. 'Cause think about what the world think about you, bro. You'll get lost 'cause the goalposts move so much. 'Cause I love you, then they hate you. Then a hundred years from now, they do your biopic and they make up stuff that ain't even true. - I would love to end with, like, you know, some random cool TV shows, some movies, ideas. I put out there, but like, I'm not like on some, like, they gotta remember what I did, like, they won't. - They gonna be into what they in. - I'm like that, I'm simple. - Yeah! - No, not Jesus. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I don't even say it, I don't even say it. - I'm more of saying that, like, you know, you will see some shit nowadays with a person might die the same day as some other bullshit going on the world. - Don't know. - Like, damn, think you died on the wrong day. - They don't give a fuck about you. And it's over with the next day. You're like, they didn't even think about that before. Like, we're not talking about what the fuck was going on in 1804. - No, the fuck happened in 1804. - No more. - So when we get to 100,000, 3000, they're not gonna be like, looking back like, oh man, those dudes in 2020 were so cool. Like, yeah, I guess there's something like legend right now that's a legend to me that will not matter. Like, yeah. Devin George, the basketball player on the Lakers, number three, back in the day. I love Devin George, but to anybody else, y'all don't know who Devin George is. - We do blood, you love Devin George. - You died with Q's on, like, that's a random pool. - Where did you get that from? - Well, I don't know where else you were. - Like, Devin George, I thought he was good at basketball. - He average like six points a day. - I didn't know no different. I was six years old. - Keep digging, something here. Keep digging. - Keep going. - Let's keep going. - Let's keep going. - Devin George, let's keep going. - Yeah, let's keep going. - Oh, he picked that job. - He picked that job. - I met him at the mall. - I met him at the box. Here it is. - There it is. - There it is. - There it is. - It's a lot of. and a hundred years, everybody we know would be dead and there would be new people fighting over our stuff. - That's what I'm saying. - They're not gonna get these fans off me, I know that. - 20 years. - I'm not wiping the ears. - 20 years. - Oh, dead. - Before we wrap up, I do want to say Jackass comes out on June 26th. - June 26th. - In theaters only, you better go see this. It's a lot of fun. You don't want to watch it at home because watching it or random people you don't know and if the aether, it's always a blessing. - Yeah, watching certain movies and theaters is amazing. Jackass is a theater movie. - It is. I cry. You cry? - They didn't even know you could like cry by people getting kicked in the nuts, but I cry. I was like, this is, this is beautiful. - When I'm here and it's a very emotional movie. - Yeah, yeah. - Even though I haven't seen it, the movie I'm in. - A lot of heart. - It played you, honestly. - That's cool. I'm gonna go to a seat at the premiere, it'd be all right. So I could like, feel the way everybody else for the first time. - That's sweet, man. I'm out of town for that shit. Bumbed out about it, honestly. - I guess I give his ticket to somebody else. - I'm good money. - We interchangeable. - Thank you guys so much for coming over. - Thank you, man. You guys are amazing. - I am. - I'm gonna eat a whole soul. See little broom. - I'm Travis Bennett. This is Jasper. 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